PUTIN: Russia prepared to raise nuclear readiness over Crimea

[Chef Ramsay]

Gentleman, start your engines!

MOSCOW (AP) — Russia was ready to bring its nuclear weapons into a state of alert during last year's tensions over the Crimean Peninsula and the overthrow of Ukraine's president, President Vladimir Putin said in remarks aired on Sunday.

Putin also expanded on a previous admission that the well-armed forces in unmarked uniforms who took control of Ukrainian military facilities in Crimea were Russian soldiers.

Putin's comments, in a documentary being shown on state TV, highlight the extent to which alarm spread in Russia in the weeks following Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych's ouster in February 2014 after months of street protests that turned increasingly violent.

After Yanukovych fled Kiev, eventually surfacing in Russia, separatist sentiment soared in Crimea, the Black Sea peninsula dominated by ethnic Russians.

Russian forces took control of Ukrainian military facilities on the peninsula and a referendum on secession was hastily called. The referendum, which was widely denounced in the West as illegitimate, reportedly brought overwhelming support for secession. Russia annexed Crimea on March 19, 2014.

More...http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150315/eu-russia-crimea-2859701388.html

[Snorek]

When Ukraine gave back their Atomic Arsenal it was the biggest mistake in their history. Now Russia is free to reign. Balance in region has shifted and we have one problem after another... It is a good lesson for other countries. Do not let go of your atomic weapons. It will keep you safe.

[innocent93]

Sound like Putin's style who is can be persuaded by reason but not be cowed by force, after the sanctions from western, I'm not surprised that Putin will do something to strike back.

[bitwarrior]

Has Vladimir Putin finally came out of hiding for more than a week? Are we moving towards a WW3?

[mladen00]

When Ukraine gave back their Atomic Arsenal it was the biggest mistake in their history. Now Russia is free to reign. Balance in region has shifted and we have one problem after another... It is a good lesson for other countries. Do not let go of your atomic weapons. It will keep you safe.

if ukraine has  nuclear arselal they will bomb donetsk or???
you think they can bomb russia???

[biggerbig]

if ukraine has  nuclear arselal they will bomb donetsk or???
you think they can bomb russia???

Ukraine doesn't have nuclear weapons, they resign from this kind of weapon in exchange for respecting the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine. Russia was one of the guarantors:
" The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine."

wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine#Budapest_Memorandum

[mladen00]

if ukraine has  nuclear arselal they will bomb donetsk or???
you think they can bomb russia???

Ukraine doesn't have nuclear weapons, they resign from this kind of weapon in exchange for respecting the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine. Russia was one of the guarantors:
" The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine."

wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine#Budapest_Memorandum

yes, but if Ukraine stays neutral

[Agestorzrxx]

There is a rumor that  Vladimir Putin's ruling has been overturned.
He has disappeared  more than 1 week.
He still didn't  show up.

[NUFCrichard]

When Ukraine gave back their Atomic Arsenal it was the biggest mistake in their history. Now Russia is free to reign. Balance in region has shifted and we have one problem after another... It is a good lesson for other countries. Do not let go of your atomic weapons. It will keep you safe.

Ukraine's history of looking after nuclear material makes me quite happy that they don't have nuclear weapons to be honest.
To the story: This is all hypothetical now anyway, Russia took Crimea without much bloodshed (any?) and didn't need to use or threaten nuclear war. 

Now if America starts sending troops to fight in Eastern Ukraine, it might be a different story.

[CoinCidental]

When Ukraine gave back their Atomic Arsenal it was the biggest mistake in their history. Now Russia is free to reign. Balance in region has shifted and we have one problem after another... It is a good lesson for other countries. Do not let go of your atomic weapons. It will keep you safe.

Ukraine's history of looking after nuclear material makes me quite happy that they don't have nuclear weapons to be honest.
To the story: This is all hypothetical now anyway, Russia took Crimea without much bloodshed (any?) and didn't need to use or threaten nuclear war. 

Now if America starts sending troops to fight in Eastern Ukraine, it might be a different story.

american troops would get slaughtered on the russian border ,its a bad idea even sending them there

[biggerbig]

if ukraine has  nuclear arselal they will bomb donetsk or???
you think they can bomb russia???

Ukraine doesn't have nuclear weapons, they resign from this kind of weapon in exchange for respecting the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine. Russia was one of the guarantors:
" The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine."

wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine#Budapest_Memorandum

yes, but if Ukraine stays neutral

And they didn't stayed neutral? I don't recall Ukraine attacking anyone. Its Russia that is making all the trouble in the east Europe. Putin even admitted that he ordered to do everything to get back Crimea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

[Nemo1024]

if ukraine has  nuclear arselal they will bomb donetsk or???
you think they can bomb russia???

Ukraine doesn't have nuclear weapons, they resign from this kind of weapon in exchange for respecting the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine. Russia was one of the guarantors:
" The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine."

wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine#Budapest_Memorandum

yes, but if Ukraine stays neutral

And they didn't stayed neutral? I don't recall Ukraine attacking anyone. Its Russia that is making all the trouble in the east Europe. Putin even admitted that he ordered to do everything to get back Crimea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

Let's have a complete picture then. He ordered it after the legitimate president of Ukraine was overthrown and attempted assassinated by the Nazis and after said Nazis started a march on Russian Crimea with the intent of full-scale ethnic cleansing. All he did was to defend the people who had been holding fort against the Ukrainian occupation of Crimea for the previous 23 years.

The documentary that was aired yesterday had a lot of information, some of it newly declassified - like the NATO military base in Feodosia, that was the only base where shots were fired, though even there no one got killed.
I wish someone would translate that doc to English, I simply don't have enough free time for it... 

As for the nuclear threat. It's the Cuban Missile crisis in reverse. Now it's USA threatening Russia along its Western borders with its massive exercises.
Russian Northern fleet and Western Army is on full military alert. A lone Russian rocket carrier has been dispatched to patrol the Black Sea. And Putin announced that the nuclear response is a possibility in case USA invades Russia.

[biggerbig]

Let's have a complete picture then. He ordered it after the legitimate president of Ukraine was overthrown and attempted assassinated by the Nazis and after said Nazis started a march on Russian Crimea with the intent of full-scale ethnic cleansing. All he did was to defend the people who had been holding fort against the Ukrainian occupation of Crimea for the previous 23 years.

The documentary that was aired yesterday had a lot of information, some of it newly declassified - like the NATO military base in Feodosia, that was the only base where shots were fired, though even there no one got killed.
I wish someone would translate that doc to English, I simply don't have enough free time for it... 

As for the nuclear threat. It's the Cuban Missile crisis in reverse. Now it's USA threatening Russia along its Western borders with its massive exercises.
Russian Northern fleet and Western Army is on full military alert. A lone Russian rocket carrier has been dispatched to patrol the Black Sea. And Putin announced that the nuclear response is a possibility in case USA invades Russia.

Nazis? Not every one of Ukraine people that want to be in European Union is Nazi.

Russian Crimea? Ukrainian occupation of Crimea for the previous 23 years?? Russia sign the Budapest Memorandum in witch she agreed to lave Crimea in Ukraine.

Also who said about "full-scale ethnic cleansing"?? Do you have any source to confirm that?

"a possibility in case USA invades Russia"? Its Russia who in the past few months broke many International agreements, including exceeding Swedish air borders.
http://news.sky.com/story/1370127/russian-planes-play-dangerously-report-warns
Now you are goring to tell me that Sweden is also planing on invading Russia?

[Balthazar]

Ukrainian occupation of Crimea for the previous 23 years??

You've got it right, Crimea was under Ukrainian occupation.

Russia sign the Budapest Memorandum  

Oh common...

1. RTFM, memorandum != treaty. It has no power until the ratification. None of the parties (USA, GB, RF, UA) have ratified this paper so it has no legal power.
2. It was signed when Crimea wasn't a part of Ukraine. Crimea was a sovereign republic until the adoption of new ukrainian constitution in 1997.
3. Sevastopol was a part of Russian Federation, which have been illegally occupied by ukrainian national guard and wasn't officially recognized as a part of Ukraine until 1997.

So this memorandum would have no legal power even in case of proper ratification, because Ukraine itself violated it twice.

witch she agreed to lave Crimea in Ukraine.

There is not even a single mention of Crimea and Sevastopol in this paper. And it's quite obvious why.

Is it sounds surprising for you? I'm sorry for asking but did you ever tried to read this paper before telling such jokes?

Its Russia who in the past few months broke many International agreements, including exceeding Swedish air borders.

Oh, I see another typical propaganda template.

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6020389

So, you have to give us the proof of your claims or begin to apologize for spreading lies.

I'm wrong in this case, though we still have a propaganda template.

Now you are goring to tell me that Sweden is also planing on invading Russia?

As far I remember, there is an enormous amount of NATO tanks at the border between Poland and the Kaliningrad Oblast. Are you going to tell us what the hell are they doing there? No? Then shut up and leave the thread.

On one hand, I have no problem with polish people, I like your language and girls. On the other, I don't like useful fools.

Sorry guys, but you definetely need to start thinking as soon as possible. Stop being useful fools if you don't want to lose the remnants of your self-esteem.

[jaysabi]

Its Russia who in the past few months broke many International agreements, including exceeding Swedish air borders.

Oh, I see another typical propaganda template.

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6020389

So, you have to give us the proof of your claims or begin to apologize for spreading lies.

Do you realize the source you posted to dispute that Russian planes violated Swedish airspace actually confirms that Russian planes violated Swedish airspace?

The Swedish Armed Forces has confirmed that a foreign aircraft entered Swedish airspace on Saturday, but says it was French and not Russian as initially reported by tabloid Expressen.

Swedish JAS Gripen fighter jets reportedly confronted the French plane over the weekend.

"I can confirm that a French plane was in Swedish airspace on Saturday," military spokesperson Jesper Tengroth told Expressen. He would not say why the plane was in Swedish territory.

The information about a new infringement comes almost exactly two months after another scandal when two Russian planes entered Swedish airspace. The Ministry for Foreign Affairs confirmed that incident.

So you posted a source to dispute a specific incident biggerbig may or may not have been referencing, but in the process, end up posting a source proving biggerbig's point which was that Russian jets violated Sweden's airspace, just as he said.

[Balthazar]

jaysabi, Lol my bad Well, I have to admit that I didn't read an article properly. I'm a human and have the right to make some mistakes.

However, this isolated incident doesn't change anything because its value too overestimated. For example, I remember these submarine searches and it was really funny.

biggerbig, l have to apologize for calling you a liar. Though there is still enough amount of propaganda in your message I hope we won't have mutual misunderstanding after this incident. It seems that we both made some mistakes and I'm ready to recognize mine part of them. Are you ready to do the same? I can help you with translation of some papers, if you wish to know more about the subject.

[biggerbig]

biggerbig, I have to apologize for calling you a liar. Though there is still enough amount of propaganda in your message I hope we won't have mutual misunderstanding after this incident. It seems that we both made some mistakes and I'm ready to recognize mine part of them.

Apology accepted but you cannot deny everything based on "it's propaganda". Read different materials from different sources.

And as for Crimea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea#Ukrainian_control_1954.E2.80.932014

[Stargazer]

Russian nuclear weapons? You mean that rusty crap from the cold war? Or maybe the ones they sold or somebody stole from them to sell on the black market? Putin is flexing his muscles just like Saddam once did 

[jaysabi]

jaysabi, Lol my bad Well, I have to admit that I didn't read an article properly. I'm a human and have the right to make some mistakes.

However, this isolated incident doesn't change anything because its value too overestimated. For example, I remember these submarine searches and it was really funny.

biggerbig, l have to apologize for calling you a liar. Though there is still enough amount of propaganda in your message I hope we won't have mutual misunderstanding after this incident. It seems that we both made some mistakes and I'm ready to recognize mine part of them. Are you ready to do the same? I can help you with translation of some papers, if you wish to know more about the subject.

Mistakes happen.

I'm interested to know your take on Putin's admission that the soldiers in unmarked uniforms who took control of Ukrainian military facilities in Crimea were actually Russian troops, despite denying for months that this was the case during and after the events. You can't just dismiss this as propaganda when the the statement comes from his own mouth.

[Balthazar]

but you cannot deny everything based on "it's propaganda".

Sorry but it seems that you didn't read my message properly. Because it's what you're exactly doing right now.

You've said that memorandum was signed. Ok, it has been signed, and so what? I can sign anything too, it can be some treaty on accession of Mars into Federation of Planets for example.  

Are you going to deny the fact that it wasn't ratified by anyone? Then it will be a propaganda, because even Ukraine itself didn't ratified this paper.

Are you going to tell me that ratification isn't necessary? Then it will be a propaganda, because such statement is logically inconsistent. Any paper should be authorized by the legislature before it becomes a law.

Does signing this memorandum matters if it has no legal power without ratification? C'mon, you're not stupid. It's time to admit that you've just copied some text without following your own suggestion:

Read different materials from different sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea#Ukrainian_control_1954.E2.80.932014

Doesn't say even a half of what's really happened.

What do you need to know:

There is a decision #1082 of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR from 29 october 1948. City of Sevastopol was moved into the dedicated admistrative unit and was declared as the city of republican subordination.

What's an exact meaning of this judicial abracadabra?

That's simple. Sevastopol was turned into an administrative unit of RSFSR (Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic) with a special status i.e. it was ruled directly from the Moscow. It wasn't a part of Crimean Oblast in 1961, so it never moved into Ukraine. Surprise? And it's only beginning of this story.

Should we continue this game or it's enough?