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March 18, 2015, 05:20:45 PM
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I really missed a thread that says that Primedice is rigged.
Like if there wasn't laying around this forum some random user that claims he had a godstreak until the day before he met Primedice and after that he lost the milion bitcoins he had in his pocket.  Roll Eyes

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March 18, 2015, 08:13:43 PM
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as all old players know, Stunna is a sketchy and shady administrator

That's a pretty strong opening statement! Stunna is one of the most trusted gambling site operators. I've never heard of him being "sketchy and shady".

a small little page of some numbers (verification page) doesn't prove much

Done correctly, the "page of numbers" proves that the rolls are fair. Last I checked, PD was doing it correctly.

Dicebitco.in proved that statement to be true

What happened at dicebitco.in is that their game was provably fair, which means that if they cheat, it is possible to prove it. They cheated, and because they were provably fair, it was proven that they were cheating. Not because "it feels different", or "I lost 10 in a row", but actual solid proof. That's what the "page of numbers" is for.

I strongly believe there is something Stunna is hiding from us.

Luckily, we can do better than strong beliefs. We can do *proof*. Get to know that small page of numbers. It will be Stunna's downfall if he is cheating you. Screenshots of unlucky streaks prove nothing on their own.

If you think Stunna has something sneaky going on in the back, please post your opinions! Oh, and please do not post if you aren't a long-time member of Primedice, or play there only occasionally. I'm looking for players who have spent 100+ hours on the site and know it full well.

You only want people to post if they agree with you? Wouldn't you rather discover the truth than be surrounded by people who agree with you even when you're wrong?

I think it's about time the community's feedback proves something.

I agree. Proof is essential. Screenshots of losing streaks do not in any way constitute such proof. Get to know the page of numbers. Understand what it tells you. Use it to uncover the cheating. You'll be a hero! Unless there is no cheating, in which case at least you'll stop falsely accusing the innocent.

EDIT 2: I am not saying that that loss streak is proof. I am saying it's an example to the scams that are going on.

Or maybe they're just an example of your bad luck. Like you say, let's gather some *proof*!

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March 18, 2015, 08:18:34 PM
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Not that I read the whole thread, but such a small losing streak is so common that it's far from a proof of rig.
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March 18, 2015, 09:38:39 PM
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Not that I read the whole thread, but such a small losing streak is so common that it's far from a proof of rig.

It's not proof. It's an example to maaaany streaks that occur far too often.
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March 18, 2015, 09:44:07 PM
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Not that I read the whole thread, but such a small losing streak is so common that it's far from a proof of rig.

It's not proof. It's an example to maaaany streaks that occur far too often.

So get some proof.

As you said:

I think it's about time the community's feedback proves something.

The only way to get proof is to play such that you can verify the provably fair rolls, and show that PD is cheating. So what are you waiting for? Why are you wasting your time making screenshots that don't prove anything, and never can prove anything?

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March 18, 2015, 09:53:08 PM
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Not that I read the whole thread, but such a small losing streak is so common that it's far from a proof of rig.

It's not proof. It's an example to maaaany streaks that occur far too often.

So get some proof.

As you said:

I think it's about time the community's feedback proves something.

The only way to get proof is to play such that you can verify the provably fair rolls, and show that PD is cheating. So what are you waiting for? Why are you wasting your time making screenshots that don't prove anything, and never can prove anything?

I'm like a kid that sees a robber with a gun that nobody else sees. But I am too young to speak so I just do whatever I can to show everybody what's wrong. PD are the scammers and I'm sure of it. You can never be too confident in anything in the Internet, especially gambling, especially Bitcoin, especially with a shady admin. I'm sure that PD is scamming but I've yet to prove or show anything.
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March 18, 2015, 10:04:03 PM
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Dooglus, thank you for including that link in your post because that just told me who this guy is Tongue This is Candystripes, the notorious scammer. Candy was talking about the e-book he just wrote in Moneypot chat called "The Marvelous Masturbation". So this thread should be treated as a joke, as the person who started this thread is a scammer himself.
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March 18, 2015, 10:24:36 PM
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"PD is a scam!"


"I'm going to keep playing at PD to prove they're a scam!"


Thanks for the laugh, dude.  My recommendation though is to get a new hobby, preferably one that doesn't irritate and bewilder people.
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For the OP, I generated two sets of data:

one and two.


Win represents doubling your money, lose represents losing your bet. One of these data sets was generated perfectly fairly, with a house edge is 1%. The other data set is generated from a "rigged" distribution, where the casino wins twice as much as it should! Can you spot the fair and rigged one?

If you can't easily eyeball the difference, you should reconsider if you can tell if a site is fair or not without the use of statistical tools and/or checking it's provably fair scheme =)
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March 18, 2015, 11:38:32 PM
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For the OP, I generated two sets of data:

one and two.


Win represents doubling your money, lose represents losing your bet. One of these data sets was generated perfectly fairly, with a house edge is 1%. The other data set is generated from a "rigged" distribution, where the casino wins twice as much as it should! Can you spot the fair and rigged one?

If you can't easily eyeball the difference, you should reconsider if you can tell if a site is fair or not without the use of statistical tools and/or checking it's provably fair scheme =)

It's totally the second one, I'm a king at lucky guessing.
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March 19, 2015, 12:36:10 AM
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I am not a big user of primedice but the few I have played I can say it is very normal.

If you had bad luck it is a pity but things as that may happen although they are not likely,but possible...
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March 19, 2015, 02:00:07 AM
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I am not a big user of primedice but the few I have played I can say it is very normal.

If you had bad luck it is a pity but things as that may happen although they are not likely,but possible...
Yes this 100%. People do not realize that it is possible to lose 10 in a row on 1.01x, but it is not likely. Since it is a game of luck and chance no combination of bets will work for forever, they will all eventually fail and you will lose all your coins. People need to either stick with the loses or stop while they are ahead.
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March 19, 2015, 11:29:54 AM
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For the OP, I generated two sets of data:

one and two.


Win represents doubling your money, lose represents losing your bet. One of these data sets was generated perfectly fairly, with a house edge is 1%. The other data set is generated from a "rigged" distribution, where the casino wins twice as much as it should! Can you spot the fair and rigged one?

If you can't easily eyeball the difference, you should reconsider if you can tell if a site is fair or not without the use of statistical tools and/or checking it's provably fair scheme =)


Even with statistical tools, it is hard to confidently make a conclusion.
In the second dataset, the sample p is just 0.48948 but the 99% CI is (0.4821, 0.4968) which still covers 0.495.

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March 19, 2015, 02:45:28 PM
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For the OP, I generated two sets of data:

one and two.


Win represents doubling your money, lose represents losing your bet. One of these data sets was generated perfectly fairly, with a house edge is 1%. The other data set is generated from a "rigged" distribution, where the casino wins twice as much as it should! Can you spot the fair and rigged one?

If you can't easily eyeball the difference, you should reconsider if you can tell if a site is fair or not without the use of statistical tools and/or checking it's provably fair scheme =)


Even with statistical tools, it is hard to confidently make a conclusion.
In the second dataset, the sample p is just 0.48948 but the 99% CI is (0.4821, 0.4968) which still covers 0.495.


Exactly. Because something like this is just impossible to prove. They can cheat us and it would be next to impossible to tell or prove.


Just don't gamble then if you can't take the risk.

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March 19, 2015, 03:25:49 PM
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For the OP, I generated two sets of data:

one and two.


Win represents doubling your money, lose represents losing your bet. One of these data sets was generated perfectly fairly, with a house edge is 1%. The other data set is generated from a "rigged" distribution, where the casino wins twice as much as it should! Can you spot the fair and rigged one?

If you can't easily eyeball the difference, you should reconsider if you can tell if a site is fair or not without the use of statistical tools and/or checking it's provably fair scheme =)


Even with statistical tools, it is hard to confidently make a conclusion.
In the second dataset, the sample p is just 0.48948 but the 99% CI is (0.4821, 0.4968) which still covers 0.495.


Exactly. Because something like this is just impossible to prove. They can cheat us and it would be next to impossible to tell or prove.


Just don't gamble then if you can't take the risk.

Yes, with just the outputs given and no details about the underlying algorithm, it is very difficult to prove if it is working as intended.
But, with the exact algorithm given (like in the provably fair sites), it is very easy to prove if it is working as intended.

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March 19, 2015, 07:45:46 PM
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Exactly. Because something like this is just impossible to prove. They can cheat us and it would be next to impossible to tell or prove.

Just don't gamble then if you can't take the risk.

That is why provable fairness is so important.

It allows us to detect cheating, and prove that we detected cheating.

If Ryan posted the algorithm and seeds that generated the rolls in his data we could immediately tell which of the two sets of rolls was from the rigged site.

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March 23, 2015, 03:47:50 AM
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Ok, I'm hoping I don't get hate or neg trust this, but all scams start with something similar to this. I've been a member of PD for 1.5 years and as all old players know, Stunna is a sketchy and shady administrator. It's not just a feeling that because I lose it's a scam. Hell, I've played on PD for 1.5 years nearly every day. This is a trend I have been seeing. I play on other sites such as JD, PRC, SafeDice, BitDice, etc. and PD is something...special. I mean a small little page of some numbers (verification page) doesn't prove much. Dicebitco.in proved that statement to be true. I am taking a community initiative to do this, since I strongly believe there is something Stunna is hiding from us.

I decided to finally do this because since the launch of PD3, the site seems even more rigged. Not heavily, but rather sneakily. Proof isn't easy to get, so I'd rather just take the community involved and see what they have to say. Here is just one of my many screenshots to come of me losing. Remember I'm not butthurt, but rather am trying to do the community a favor:

http://i.gyazo.com/c934f6d25d9ad8f1920a4be0f4cf2283.png

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If you think Stunna has something sneaky going on in the back, please post your opinions! Oh, and please do not post if you aren't a long-time member of Primedice, or play there only occasionally. I'm looking for players who have spent 100+ hours on the site and know it full well.

I think it's about time the community's feedback proves something.

EDIT 2: I am not saying that that loss streak is proof. I am saying it's an example to the scams that are going on.

dude, i think if PD is rigged, why they can paid someone who won over 2000 BTC? and i think primedice is one of provably fair gambling sites.

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Ok, I'm hoping I don't get hate or neg trust this, but all scams start with something similar to this. I've been a member of PD for 1.5 years and as all old players know, Stunna is a sketchy and shady administrator. It's not just a feeling that because I lose it's a scam. Hell, I've played on PD for 1.5 years nearly every day. This is a trend I have been seeing. I play on other sites such as JD, PRC, SafeDice, BitDice, etc. and PD is something...special. I mean a small little page of some numbers (verification page) doesn't prove much. Dicebitco.in proved that statement to be true. I am taking a community initiative to do this, since I strongly believe there is something Stunna is hiding from us.

I decided to finally do this because since the launch of PD3, the site seems even more rigged. Not heavily, but rather sneakily. Proof isn't easy to get, so I'd rather just take the community involved and see what they have to say. Here is just one of my many screenshots to come of me losing. Remember I'm not butthurt, but rather am trying to do the community a favor:

http://i.gyazo.com/c934f6d25d9ad8f1920a4be0f4cf2283.png

http://prntscr.com/6i699l

http://prntscr.com/6jzutm

http://gyazo.com/948d0bfefe3921ff6812a21c4c202c7f

http://prntscr.com/6hylyy

http://i.imgur.com/zSR7bdy.png

http://prntscr.com/6i3cb6

http://prntscr.com/6i69lq

^^ The above was collected within 24 hours

If you think Stunna has something sneaky going on in the back, please post your opinions! Oh, and please do not post if you aren't a long-time member of Primedice, or play there only occasionally. I'm looking for players who have spent 100+ hours on the site and know it full well.

I think it's about time the community's feedback proves something.

EDIT 2: I am not saying that that loss streak is proof. I am saying it's an example to the scams that are going on.

dude, i think if PD is rigged, why they can paid someone who won over 2000 BTC? and i think primedice is one of provably fair gambling sites.


Because that player was cheating
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 #79

Ok, I'm hoping I don't get hate or neg trust this, but all scams start with something similar to this. I've been a member of PD for 1.5 years and as all old players know, Stunna is a sketchy and shady administrator. It's not just a feeling that because I lose it's a scam. Hell, I've played on PD for 1.5 years nearly every day. This is a trend I have been seeing. I play on other sites such as JD, PRC, SafeDice, BitDice, etc. and PD is something...special. I mean a small little page of some numbers (verification page) doesn't prove much. Dicebitco.in proved that statement to be true. I am taking a community initiative to do this, since I strongly believe there is something Stunna is hiding from us.

I decided to finally do this because since the launch of PD3, the site seems even more rigged. Not heavily, but rather sneakily. Proof isn't easy to get, so I'd rather just take the community involved and see what they have to say. Here is just one of my many screenshots to come of me losing. Remember I'm not butthurt, but rather am trying to do the community a favor:

http://i.gyazo.com/c934f6d25d9ad8f1920a4be0f4cf2283.png

http://prntscr.com/6i699l

http://prntscr.com/6jzutm

http://gyazo.com/948d0bfefe3921ff6812a21c4c202c7f

http://prntscr.com/6hylyy

http://i.imgur.com/zSR7bdy.png

http://prntscr.com/6i3cb6

http://prntscr.com/6i69lq

^^ The above was collected within 24 hours

If you think Stunna has something sneaky going on in the back, please post your opinions! Oh, and please do not post if you aren't a long-time member of Primedice, or play there only occasionally. I'm looking for players who have spent 100+ hours on the site and know it full well.

I think it's about time the community's feedback proves something.

EDIT 2: I am not saying that that loss streak is proof. I am saying it's an example to the scams that are going on.

dude, i think if PD is rigged, why they can paid someone who won over 2000 BTC? and i think primedice is one of provably fair gambling sites.


Because that player was cheating

You do realize that he had an unhashed server seed, he played over a period of months and won massive over a period of 20+ hours of consistent betting. If were were rigging his bets wouldn't we have instantly realized he was cheating instead of continuing to pay him out thousands of coins over months? Honestly, at this point I'm just convinced you're a troll, if you continue to bump this with nonsense posts I will leave you negative trust.

If a moderator sees this, I firmly believe this thread should be locked/deleted. If you follow along with the conversation it's clear OP is spreading illogical FUD. The entire community has weighed in, if bumbleBee ends up finding any piece of proof other than a screenshot of losing 10x in a row (after placing thousands of bets) he can post a new thread.

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March 23, 2015, 04:35:25 AM
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You do realize that he had an unhashed server seed, he played over a period of months and won massive over a period of 20+ hours of consistent betting. If were were rigging his bets wouldn't we have instantly realized he was cheating instead of continuing to pay him out thousands of coins over months? Honestly, at this point I'm just convinced you're a troll, if you continue to bump this with nonsense posts I will leave you negative trust.

If a moderator sees this, I firmly believe this thread should be locked/deleted. If you follow along with the conversation it's clear OP is spreading illogical FUD.

Stunna, don't be unprofesssional. My posts aren't nonsense, don't call them that. If you give me negative trust, it would do nothing but make you look bad. You still haven't answered why somehow, on Primedice people hit unbelievable loss streaks extremely often. Literally all my PD friends from 2013 to now can agree. I'm not a troll, if anything you are just posting to try and make PD look legit. This is more of a "community warning" to warn members to just use any other site. So far it's been doing well.

This thread is 100% valid. It's not FUD, or illogical. I'm not a troll, in fact your intelligence and way and handling problems is proving to me you aren't smart either. If one of the hotdog places near your house start pissing in your drinks how will you know? By common sense! You can't prove it, but it's quite obvious it's true.

Don't be unprofessional, deal with this the right way and answer my question. Why do so many users hit unbelievable streaks extremely often? Don't just say luck, I want a real answer. You're going to be caught soon and I know it.
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