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March 17, 2015, 09:50:53 AM
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i dont think PrimeDice got some magic hidden in the back.. there are so many 100BTC club members (100BTC+ in profit) and ofcourse the famous HufflePuff winning 2000BTC+, so i think PD is fair on their players..

It has been said thousands of times already, HufflePuff was using an exploit, cheating, he wasnt lucky.

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March 17, 2015, 09:58:03 AM
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You call scam to the oldest bitcoin dice site after a year and a half of playing there everyday lol Why so soon?

Firstly sorry you have had a run of bad luck but i am afraid when gambling this is what happens and there is only one thing you can do about it and that is obviously stop playing.

There is no need for this thread if it was truly rigged it would not be one on the biggest and longest standing dice games would it people would just not play it that is fact you are actually the first hate i have seen towards it if i am honest.

If i was you i would stop playing all sites.

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March 17, 2015, 11:56:30 AM
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Honestly who knows if its rigged or not. The problem is its impossible to get enough evidence to prove if its rigged or not because the chances are you can usually go on a huge losing streak as below.

Who knows? Maybe the sites use some algorithm that detects martingale players to clean them out. Either way its very difficult to prove.

Don't martingale, and if you do. Just do it across multiple dice sites and then you will know for sure if its a legit losing streak or you were being cheated.
You can verify every single bet to ensure that Primedice is not skipping nonce and the server seed checks out. The house pretty much have no chance to cheat if you do it this way. The problem here is you don't realised the house edge makes a difference, I have seen more than 20 lose streak at various dice sites and none of them is cheating. You are going to lose your bankroll eventually with martingale due to varience.

agreed with you i had 16 winning streak on Primedice, gambling is all about good and bad luck,
Primedice has provably fair system and every single bet can be verified with that verification.
so that behavior is strange after losing streak.
i dont know much about gambling but by any chance.......... can they fake the verification process?
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March 17, 2015, 12:05:57 PM
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Honestly who knows if its rigged or not. The problem is its impossible to get enough evidence to prove if its rigged or not because the chances are you can usually go on a huge losing streak as below.

Who knows? Maybe the sites use some algorithm that detects martingale players to clean them out. Either way its very difficult to prove.

Don't martingale, and if you do. Just do it across multiple dice sites and then you will know for sure if its a legit losing streak or you were being cheated.
You can verify every single bet to ensure that Primedice is not skipping nonce and the server seed checks out. The house pretty much have no chance to cheat if you do it this way. The problem here is you don't realised the house edge makes a difference, I have seen more than 20 lose streak at various dice sites and none of them is cheating. You are going to lose your bankroll eventually with martingale due to varience.

agreed with you i had 16 winning streak on Primedice, gambling is all about good and bad luck,
Primedice has provably fair system and every single bet can be verified with that verification.
so that behavior is strange after losing streak.
i dont know much about gambling but by any chance.......... can they fake the verification process?


There are some easy-to-use external verifiers such as http://dicesites.com/primedice/verifier and http://rgbkey.github.io/verify/PrimeDice/.
Or you can calculator the sha512 yourself according to the scheme in https://primedice.com/verify.


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March 17, 2015, 12:09:27 PM
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Honestly who knows if its rigged or not. The problem is its impossible to get enough evidence to prove if its rigged or not because the chances are you can usually go on a huge losing streak as below.

Who knows? Maybe the sites use some algorithm that detects martingale players to clean them out. Either way its very difficult to prove.

Don't martingale, and if you do. Just do it across multiple dice sites and then you will know for sure if its a legit losing streak or you were being cheated.
You can verify every single bet to ensure that Primedice is not skipping nonce and the server seed checks out. The house pretty much have no chance to cheat if you do it this way. The problem here is you don't realised the house edge makes a difference, I have seen more than 20 lose streak at various dice sites and none of them is cheating. You are going to lose your bankroll eventually with martingale due to varience.

You could also verify 999dice rolls as well but that site is still rigged ...
Wrong, most people wouldn't bother to verify the bet since the page for verification method is very confusing and no tool exist to easily do it. A simple google would give you this. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=948965.0. Primedice, however, is pretty open about their fairness and there are lots of script to verify the bets.

That's true, I don't verify every one of my roll either but PD is fair and I trust this site, I haven't been too lucky there but that doesn't mean that the site is rigged.

Btw ranochigo Nice signature. Smiley

 

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March 17, 2015, 12:14:16 PM
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Honestly who knows if its rigged or not. The problem is its impossible to get enough evidence to prove if its rigged or not because the chances are you can usually go on a huge losing streak as below.

Who knows? Maybe the sites use some algorithm that detects martingale players to clean them out. Either way its very difficult to prove.

Don't martingale, and if you do. Just do it across multiple dice sites and then you will know for sure if its a legit losing streak or you were being cheated.
You can verify every single bet to ensure that Primedice is not skipping nonce and the server seed checks out. The house pretty much have no chance to cheat if you do it this way. The problem here is you don't realised the house edge makes a difference, I have seen more than 20 lose streak at various dice sites and none of them is cheating. You are going to lose your bankroll eventually with martingale due to varience.

agreed with you i had 16 winning streak on Primedice, gambling is all about good and bad luck,
Primedice has provably fair system and every single bet can be verified with that verification.
so that behavior is strange after losing streak.
i dont know much about gambling but by any chance.......... can they fake the verification process?
For primedice, not possible as they gives you the formula for the calculation of results. If they don't match up, people would definitely suspect. Most verifiers are open sourced therefore, the manipulation of results cannot happen unless everyone don't check the code of the verifier.

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Btw ranochigo Nice signature. Smiley
Hehe thanks. Muhammed Zakir helped me with it.

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March 17, 2015, 12:35:53 PM
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Btw ranochigo Nice signature. Smiley
Hehe thanks. Muhammed Zakir helped me with it.

I see. Nice Smiley

 

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March 17, 2015, 02:13:24 PM
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provably fair verifier cant be faked and you can always win on a dice sites, someone will win alot and someone may bust all of their earnings, it is common, no one will be making a gambling sites if the house couldnt get profit, and stunna is not sketchy or shady because he always answer his customer well when they needed help
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March 17, 2015, 02:52:43 PM
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Only 11 losses in a row? I've seen people with 20+, who also came here and started the same conversation about it being rigged. I played there and lost just like you, but I have no proof of scam, so I keep my mouth shut. You could learn something from me. Wink

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March 17, 2015, 04:57:57 PM
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It's hard to lose so much money, I know that feelings. But that is nothing with the PD, you should stop blaming others instead of your bad luck. Opening fire to a most popular and well trusted site is nothing but wasting your times.

Anyway, let's see if Stunna would response to this.
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March 17, 2015, 05:05:28 PM
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I trust Primedice, but i seem to have more luck on other sites Smiley
Don't know if primedice is rigged, but it is definetely possible, nothing is 100% proof


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March 17, 2015, 05:09:18 PM
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I trust Primedice, but i seem to have more luck on other sites Smiley
Don't know if primedice is rigged, but it is definetely possible, nothing is 100% proof

Someone knows what is up. I'm not saying it's 100% rigged. I'm saying, there is even a smarter system going on there in the back. I've been playing here longer than most of you have and it's a trend I've been seeing. The stuff you guys are saying doesn't prove a thing. Stunna isn't trusted and that's a fact. If you trust him you either only played there a couple times, or give out trust too easily. You can tell the type of person someone is just by how they talk.
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March 17, 2015, 05:14:08 PM
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aren't they all rigged. I prefer gambling on a live event like sports or btc price as software games can be easily rigged.

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March 17, 2015, 05:25:54 PM
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With a legitimate provably fair system implemented, it is impossible for the casino to cheat.

A provably fair system does not make it impossible for the casino to cheat, rather it makes it impossible for the casino to undetectably cheat.

I believe the distinction is worth emphasising, as so few people actually take the steps to properly verify their games and are be vulnerable to a casino specifically targeting them. DiceBitcoin seems to be an example of a provably fair casino that specifically targeted certain players in a stupid manner, and thankfully was caught.


@OP, the site already gives you the tools to verify if they are cheating or not. Before you gamble,  record the server seed hash, set your own client seed and then start gambling. Now you have enough information to recreate the dice outcomes. If they're cheating, you now have the means to detect it.


Just the other day, I was experimenting a little on vault with some play money, and busted. I refilled my balance and tried again, and somehow amazingly worked my balance to 20,000x my original deposit! I was completely convinced I messed something up, but after hours of simulation and debugging I'm convinced I just happened to be extremely lucky. Crazy hard to believe streaks do happen, and the more you play the more likely you'll experience some.
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"The I lost ten times in a row so this website is rigged thread"

But seriously, this type of accusation is 100% baseless and disrespectful. Provably fair exists for a reason, I strongly recommend cease stop gambling forever if you cannot handle variance. You do realize Primedice paid out a single individual 2400-2500 coins which he won over a period of months, if we had intentions to rig bets wouldn't we have gone after him not your bitcent bets? Recently a user turned 0.05 to 175 coins (seriously) and after losing 20-30 coins or so he claimed the website was rigged for a brief period of time. If these claims aren't unfair I don't know what is. Primedice is currently taking in around 90% week over week of all dicing volume, there is simply no incentive for us to cheat when we have a house edge. You would be hard-pressed to find a more trustworthy gaming option in all of bitcoin.

Learn how provable fairness works and verify your bets. I'm not going to waste more time in the future defending against these types of accusations, we've proven our trustworthiness and have put in as perfect of a system as possible to let users verify fairness.

There are just so many points to attack your argument from and I simply don't have the time. With all due respect, you need to look at the facts, verify your bets, and lock this blind accusation thread.

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Instead of reading my redundant argument, mathematically prove the bets were fair:

http://dicesites.com/provably-fair

http://primedice.com/verify


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March 17, 2015, 10:39:43 PM
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Hey Stunna,

I'm doing my best to stay professional here. We know the facts: there's a house edge, you get alot of volume, but also all players hit weird streaks much more and weirdly often than other websites. That's a fact. As Ryan said, the provably fair system doesn't "100%" prove it to be fair.

Another weird suspicion is how Primedice 3 took almost half year to come out with. I remember PD3 being talked about in early January 2014 actually. Nothing changed except tips and the layout. The rolls also got slower. I think that's it. So, what took you guys so long? Just making the new layout? I don't think so, I think you kept delaying and delaying because of my accusation. Something's changed and I know it.

I told you, I lose on Primedice almost everyday. I'll keep uploading screenshots day after day to prove something. I'm still waiting for someone to prove this right, but you're smart enough to hide it well.

Don't get me wrong, I've seen tons of threads like the "lost 1 btc, PD is rigged". This is something I'm seeing overtime.

If I could prove that PD is a scam the same way that DiceBit got caught, then PD would be shutdown already. But you made it sneakier so there's no valid way to prove me right besides the crazy amount of loss streaks.
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March 17, 2015, 11:05:44 PM
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Hey Stunna,

I'm doing my best to stay professional here. We know the facts: there's a house edge, you get alot of volume, but also all players hit weird streaks much more and weirdly often than other websites. That's a fact. As Ryan said, the provably fair system doesn't "100%" prove it to be fair.

Another weird suspicion is how Primedice 3 took almost half year to come out with. I remember PD3 being talked about in early January 2014 actually. Nothing changed except tips and the layout. The rolls also got slower. I think that's it. So, what took you guys so long? Just making the new layout? I don't think so, I think you kept delaying and delaying because of my accusation. Something's changed and I know it.

I told you, I lose on Primedice almost everyday. I'll keep uploading screenshots day after day to prove something. I'm still waiting for someone to prove this right, but you're smart enough to hide it well.

Don't get me wrong, I've seen tons of threads like the "lost 1 btc, PD is rigged". This is something I'm seeing overtime.

If I could prove that PD is a scam the same way that DiceBit got caught, then PD would be shutdown already. But you made it sneakier so there's no valid way to prove me right besides the crazy amount of loss streaks.

You've clearly completely ignored my post and have absolutely no understanding of provable fairness. I'm done arguing here.

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March 17, 2015, 11:21:21 PM
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I think primedice is 100 percent legit from my experience. Its a gambling site I don't understand why people get mad when they loose its going to happen that's why they call it gambling.
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March 17, 2015, 11:33:28 PM
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Hey Stunna,

I'm doing my best to stay professional here. We know the facts: there's a house edge, you get alot of volume, but also all players hit weird streaks much more and weirdly often than other websites. That's a fact. As Ryan said, the provably fair system doesn't "100%" prove it to be fair.

Another weird suspicion is how Primedice 3 took almost half year to come out with. I remember PD3 being talked about in early January 2014 actually. Nothing changed except tips and the layout. The rolls also got slower. I think that's it. So, what took you guys so long? Just making the new layout? I don't think so, I think you kept delaying and delaying because of my accusation. Something's changed and I know it.

I told you, I lose on Primedice almost everyday. I'll keep uploading screenshots day after day to prove something. I'm still waiting for someone to prove this right, but you're smart enough to hide it well.

Don't get me wrong, I've seen tons of threads like the "lost 1 btc, PD is rigged". This is something I'm seeing overtime.

If I could prove that PD is a scam the same way that DiceBit got caught, then PD would be shutdown already. But you made it sneakier so there's no valid way to prove me right besides the crazy amount of loss streaks.

You sound like a crazy conspiracist. I'm sure if PD did something sketch, you'd have found something by now since it seems like you have invested a lot of time into proving Stunna is a operating a cheat website.

You probably have seen a lot of pd threads with people complaining that they've lost 1 BTC and it's rigged because they lost 12 in a row. That's because negative events tend to be remembered in a more accurate fashion than positive events. Also the majority of the big winners on PD rarely post a thread on bitcointalk because they don't feel the need to boast and probably don't want a bunch of people begging them for money. I could be bias on that though, since I'm up a few coins on PD and very few people know for those exact reasons.

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March 17, 2015, 11:35:40 PM
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Just another idiot that doesnt understand provably fair and how it works.
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