Problems with tor and the forum

[BadBear]

I don't understand why the very same user is banned or not banned, depending on what IP address they use.

Does my personal "spam likeliness" depend on the IP address that I'm using? Certainly not. I'm still the very same person, no matter from where I log in.


Why don't you give user-based bans, instead of IP-based bans?

We do, sometimes it's both. Problem is that mods can't see ip's (thankfully) so I have no way of knowing if someone is using their real ip or a proxy when I ban them. If I knew they were using tor I wouldn't bother. So you can either suck it up, or we can violate everyone's privacy by letting ips be seen by many more people. The former is the more desirable option, though more Inconvenient for you.

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[klabaki]

Problem is that mods can't see ip's (thankfully) so I have no way of knowing if someone is using their real ip or a proxy when I ban them. If I knew they were using tor I wouldn't bother. So you can either suck it up, or we can violate everyone's privacy by letting ips be seen by many more people. The former is the more desirable option, though more Inconvenient for you.

If you have to make a decision between privacy and convenience, then, of course, privacy is more desirable. I agree with that.
However, I think you don't have to make this decision; we can have both.



Why don't you make it this way:
Every user account that is not banned will be "white-listed", and white-listing overrules banning. That is, if a non-banned user logs in from a banned IP address, then the user is allowed to make posts. (Of course, banned IP addresses aren't allowed to register new accounts, because this would allow to circumvent the banning.)

[BookLover]

+1, please implement this or something similar.

[TippingPoint]

Problem is that mods can't see ip's (thankfully) so I have no way of knowing if someone is using their real ip or a proxy when I ban them. If I knew they were using tor I wouldn't bother. So you can either suck it up, or we can violate everyone's privacy by letting ips be seen by many more people. The former is the more desirable option, though more Inconvenient for you.

If you have to make a decision between privacy and convenience, then, of course, privacy is more desirable. I agree with that.
However, I think you don't have to make this decision; we can have both.



Why don't you make it this way:
Every user account that is not banned will be "white-listed", and white-listing overrules banning. That is, if a non-banned user logs in from a banned IP address, then the user is allowed to make posts. (Of course, banned IP addresses aren't allowed to register new accounts, because this would allow to circumvent the banning.)

If technically possible, please do this.  Using TOR should be encouraged.

[stompix]

Note to myself. And advice for everyone else.
Always copy what you wrote before hitting that post button.

[whiskers75]

Problem is that mods can't see ip's (thankfully) so I have no way of knowing if someone is using their real ip or a proxy when I ban them. If I knew they were using tor I wouldn't bother. So you can either suck it up, or we can violate everyone's privacy by letting ips be seen by many more people. The former is the more desirable option, though more Inconvenient for you.

If you have to make a decision between privacy and convenience, then, of course, privacy is more desirable. I agree with that.
However, I think you don't have to make this decision; we can have both.



Why don't you make it this way:
Every user account that is not banned will be "white-listed", and white-listing overrules banning. That is, if a non-banned user logs in from a banned IP address, then the user is allowed to make posts. (Of course, banned IP addresses aren't allowed to register new accounts, because this would allow to circumvent the banning.)

If technically possible, please do this.  Using TOR should be encouraged.

Uh yes, that's very technically possible.

[Xer0]

Why don't you make it this way:
Every user account that is not banned will be "white-listed", and white-listing overrules banning. That is, if a non-banned user logs in from a banned IP address, then the user is allowed to make posts. (Of course, banned IP addresses aren't allowed to register new accounts, because this would allow to circumvent the banning.)

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yes, please do that

i get regularly banned by just using Opera Mini (Turbo)

[jackjack]

+1 even if this doesn't affect me

[whiskers75]

Come on theymos, do it!
and theymos won't respond because he's very unresponsive as of late

[blueangel01]

There must be another way to reduce spammers...

[Morbo]

Code:

you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum

this is misleading and technically wrong

catching a tor ban also prevents an user from viewing the content of his message box (i have one message in outbox and i can't see it when the forum sets my status to banned). viewing messages is a read-only action, it shouldn't be affected at all, yet it is

[stompix]

I really think this issues is blown out of proportions.
I've seen this message at least 4-5 times a day and a quick reconnect solves everything.

I have to admit I was scared the first time I saw it but , If it prevents spammers even by 1% keep it in place.

 

[Morbo]

I've seen this message at least 4-5 times a day and a quick reconnect solves everything.

are you saying that having to reconnect to be able to post something to a forum is normal practice? i really don't think so

the management of bitcointalk is welcome to remove all tor exit nodes from the ban list like it was suggested

the management of bitcointalk is welcome as well to ban all tor exit nodes so those who don't want to trade their privacy for the chance to post in this forum could say kthxbye, move on and start spreading the word about bitcointalk not being tor friendly

the intermediate and uncertain stance that they have adopted is only going to get more disappointed users as the user base keeps growing IMHO (and it will probably keep growing)

[BadBear]

Why does it have to be one or the other? Just hit the button and stop whining like your finger is going to fall off from overexertion.  If this seriously ranks a place on your list of things to worry about then you've got it pretty good. First world problems up in here.

[Morbo]

whining

This isn't whining, this is called usability. And a key component of usability is fluency. Something that occasionally breaks / doesn't work is inconsistent and frustrating. From the point of user experience, this is worse than something that always works, or than something that never works.

like your finger is going to fall off from overexertion.  If this seriously ranks a place on your list of things to worry about then you've got it pretty good. First world problems up in here.

I wonder if anyone brought this argument on the table in context of mods having to manually moderate each spam post instead of having the enabled in-place automation that filters a big chunk of that big pile of spam. I am sure in that context such an argument would be qualified as very inappropriate.

[zxm7001]

please do not banned me,i do not sent a spam.

[hilariousandco]

please do not banned me,i do not sent a spam.

If you're using tor just hit new identity. I don't know whether mods consider just posting wallet addresses as spam, but that's all you seem to post, so maybe contribute in some other threads at least.

[jackjack]

please do not banned me,i do not sent a spam.

If you're using tor just hit new identity. I don't know whether mods consider just posting wallet addresses as spam, but that's all you seem to post, so maybe contribute in some other threads at least.

Wow
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=166488;sa=showPosts

[hilariousandco]

please do not banned me,i do not sent a spam.

If you're using tor just hit new identity. I don't know whether mods consider just posting wallet addresses as spam, but that's all you seem to post, so maybe contribute in some other threads at least.

Wow
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=166488;sa=showPosts

Some people like free shit(coins) I guess haha.

[Morbo]

If you're using tor just hit new identity.

this is an ugly workaround for a fail forum policy