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LONG STORY SHORT.

Kash said was buying at market rates, so I said 3.85 for 900$, He sent 900$ CAD. Which is way below market rates. He said he was buying at bitcoin average.com price.  clearly he is not. He will not refund me coin or give me money

 http://youtu.be/SP1IZOMvVXI

^video of my inbox.outbox.

*Currently waiting on a global mod to confirm the PMs

Actually your PM's don't prove a scam happened. They show that you agreed to trade "3.85 btc for $900 paypal" without specifying USD or CAD. Because it happened yesterday the rate was about US$215-US$218 so about CA$267? Correct me if I'm wrong.
So I'd expect 3.85 BTC to trade for about US$833 or CA$1027 if you said "market price". $900 doesn't really fit any. Do you have any more PM's showing that you agreed USD and not CAD?
Also, do you have the messages where he refuses to refund?

Why did you add this feedback in his profile? Update: I see you removed it just now.
https://i.imgur.com/zKQ5b2g.png
It would seem you were happy with the deal. What changed?

Because you reset your password recently, could you sign a message with a BTC address posted several months ago to prove you're still in control of your own account?
(I see you reset the password before making this deal so never mind this last sentence)

I'm not at home right now, please give me time to post my proofs before anybody jumps at a conclusion. It will be a few hours. Thanks!

There are tons of people that can confirm who I am. I can sign the address that I sent the coins from tho.

I did not calify where it was USD or CAD.  You are right, it would have been 833$ But I was trying to get above market rate because it was paypal. But he still shorted me around $150 because of the mis understanding.

He did say he was buying for market rate, and he obviously did not pay me anywhere near market rate.

It looks like he confirmed twice that he was wanting to trade at the market rate. The OP also said that he wanted to trade "1.1" which I would take to mean 1 to 1 or another way of saying the market price.

It seems that kanshish948 was likely sent more Bitcoin then he was able to pay for. This was probably due to a communication mistake on the OP's end. Assuming the above PM's can be validated (I really can't check the video right now) then kashish948 should refund the difference between what he was sent verses how much PayPal was actually sent to the OP.

181 days later..

you should of used some sort of escrow? if there is such a difference, I think its not hard to go ahead and use preev and go from there on what needs to payback what he originally requested, if not yeah you got scammed on the difference.

My 181 day posts are all in reference to that, after that, I can confirm that the paypal gift wasnt disputed.

Ok I am home. Let me explain a few things here:

1) The first thing that will prove that I DID NOT scam anybody is this. I had 3.85 BTC in my wallet and then I sent 900 CAD, which scammer would do that? Wouldn't I take the entire 3.85 BTC and scam if I really wanted to? lol its common sense!

2) My thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=816934.0;all) clearly stated I am buying BTC with 900 CAD when "killyou72" contacted me about it.

3) Yes, I did say I deal at market prices and then he offered me this deal - 3.85 BTC for 900$.

    a) Now since my thread very clearly said 900 CAD, and he did not mention USD, this was obviously in CAD.
    b) If this was 900 USD, it was not at market price as pointed out by "EcuaMobi" above and accepted by OP. Also, OP accepts " I was trying to get above market rate" - Why? Trying to cheat me?
    c) So yes I said I deal at market price but then OP offered me a better deal and I agreed.

4) After I sent the Paypal, OP was also satisfied and happy with the deal as proven by his comments below:
 
    a) "My BTC for his paypal. Sent money in a time efficient manner WILL UPDATE IN 181 DAYS" - OPs trust feedback for me which is now removed.
    b) "All and all, took 30 minutes from complete start to finish. *Quickest ive ever bought/sold coins before* - OPs post on my rep thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=401693.msg11082216#msg11082216) which is edited now.
    c) "RECEIVED PAYPAL TOOK 28 or 38 minutes after I sent BTC. ((scarred the crap out of me honestly) WILL UPDATE IN 181 days" - OPs post on my thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=816934.0;all) which is edited now.

5) Clearly OP was more than happy with 900 CAD and is now having double thoughts on the transaction he did.

Because of all the above points, I do not feel I have done anything wrong here. Maybe OP was not in his senses when he was dealing but lol I did not tell him to smoke when dealing :P

Also, I have done much much bigger deals than 150 CAD for which this scam accusation is and nobody has ever had any issues. Most people send first to me without even an escrow and get the deal they accepted. That's what OP got and is now not happy with it. Sorry but I cant help with it in this situation.

You said you were buying at market rate,,, twice, and you did not...

I was trying to get a higher price because its paypal, and everybody here trys to sell for above market price

I can see how the mess was created, and its hard to judge since both of your arguments are correct in a way.
Since there is obviously misinterpretation so say the least, i advise you both accept that its only fair to reverse both transactions, and split the fees of doing so.

@op, you are experienced enough to understand that you need to point out fiat value strictly when trading, as in US$ and CAD$
@kashish948, you obviously said that you are dealing with market rates, which is not the case in this transactions,im NOT saying you scammed, you obv did not, but you didnt point out CAD$ either.

I am only making observation here, but it seams to me that both sides here made a mistake in currency identification, by not pointing out US$ or CAD$, and it is my opinion
that you should reverse both transactions and split the fees 50:50.

Whatever you choose to do next is your call, but since both of you are respected members of the forum, i believe you will solve this matter as such.

cheers

OP may I ask again why you first left positive feedback and comments for kashish948 and then changed your mind? You haven't answered that.

In mi opinion this clearly was a misunderstanding. Both of you wanted yo trade at market price and then both of you wanted to get more as everyone normally does when dealing. Because both of you started the deal with a "market price" condition I think the easiest way to resolve this would be for kashish948 to send OP about  CA$127 (or about 0.4756 BTC) according to the math of my first post. Another option would be to reverse the deal completely as suggested by ajareselde.

kashish948, you will agree you wanted to deal at market price and the offer from OP for a "better deal" clearly wasn't what he meant. OP made a big mistake but it's not fair to "punish" him with $127 for it. If you refuse to do this I wouldn't say you're a scammer, of course you're not, but I'd personally avoid dealing with you because you'd be unfairly taking advantage of someone else's mistake.

I think it is important to note that no where in any PM communications was the sales thread mentioned so I don't think any terms of that thread can be enforced.

I think it is clear that both parties intended to trade at the market price at the time. If you were offering to buy Bitcoin at the market price then it would not make sense for the OP to send over 20% more to you. This point should be exaggerated based on the fact that people almost always need to pay a premium when buying Bitcoin with PayPal.

I agree that you should refund the difference between what you received and what you should have received based at the then current market price. Otherwise you pretty clearly received more Bitcoin then you should and refused to return the difference.

The OP likeky gave positive feedback because he did not realize that he received CAD and not USD and probably did not check because he trusted you enough so that you would not do something like this.

I left the positive feedback, and then changed it because I did NOT have access to the paypal that I request payment too. So I have to wait for the paypal owner to confirm

@Quickseller, are you related to OP in some way? You seem to be bias here. Also, looks like you are giving arguments on his behalf, why?

Also, the terms of the thread will be the only way how we can know if it was CAD or USD since none was mentioned anywhere else. Hence obviously it will be the terms on my thread where even OP posted proving that he contacted me after seeing my post there.

And sorry I'm not giving any difference as refund because:

1) I'm clearly not scamming here. Lol I would do it for the entire amount if I wanted to.

2) OP did try to cheat me by offering low BTC for more Paypal hoping I send it by mistake. I don't think he deserves to get any refund after this cheat attempt.

3) Let him get a taste of his own medicine.

So no, I'm not sending any refund.

No I am not related to the OP in any way, although he did ask for my advice and I told him that he should open a scam accusation based on your refusal to give him a refund.

I don't see any other offer other then the 3.85 BTC amount that was sent to 1NBFMLaUanXmT8a3bUnVvTLh1E5TDEGFAb in one transaction.

No you're not. But you're taking advantage of something OP clearly did by mistake. It is absolutely obvious that it wasn't his intention because he already had a better deal (market price). It doesn't make sense that he tries to push down the amount of $ he would receive. "its common sense!" using your own words.

In my opinion he didn't try to cheat you. He tried to negotiate the price further in his favor. He forgot to specify USD and he thought you agreed to these new terms, which you didn't. But you did agree to deal at market price.

More like "let's take advantage of him because he forgot to state some terms in the offer".

I wouldn't advice anyone to deal with you.

There was a confusion , though kashish948 is right on his end that his Thread mentions only CAD and there was no such discussion about USD or CAD but that was just a mistake by OP of not mentioning Cad or BTC. Though kashish is not liable to do it , but he should/might want to think it over. It might not be big for you but for someone it is , maybe they were trying to make some profit , if not whole you should make upto something ,you already bought it at low rate so if you even pay him as per current price , that would be Nice of you.

2. So is everyone that is looking for 5% above market rate is a scammer?

https://blockchain.info/address/1NBFMLaUanXmT8a3bUnVvTLh1E5TDEGFAb

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I sent 3.85

It was happened 'the same" thing to me, an user sent me an overpayment on paypal and I should sent him the bitcoin, he sent me more dollars and after contacted me through PM and all resolved quickly. Now kashish948 should send back the change.

Negative trust left untile he will pay back killyou72.

kashish948 is scamming!

How is he not banned? Or he shouldn't have green trust, he just scammed a big amount.

In the above quote, the user kashish948 has clearly stated that he is having a transaction at market price. Now which market is he talking about? CAD market price? It's weird when BTC is usually given in USD.



Here since the currency wasn't mentioned, there was a miscommunication but when the OP had been told earlier that kashish948 was dealing at the MARKET PRICE, I can give him a benefit of doubt that he did not understand what currency is being spoken here and so he wrote "$900". When I deal with a different currency, I make sure the other user knows it before he sends the money and I don't assume anything.

It looks like you were happy that the OP wanted to trade for $150 less and you dint feel the need to confirm the currency you are dealing in. People usually deal for 5-10% less in bitcoins while this was even more than that. It would be kind of you to refund the user the amount but by saying that he should get a taste of his own medicine is wrong. Nobody deserves to be cheated.

Well I mailed kash last night when they were online, and I got no response. :(

Reading this thread, I can say I have had similar experiences with Kashish948 in the past. This is not an accident, he knew what he was doing, and unless he takes actions to correct this (even if he may not be legally obligated to) I would consider him a scammer. I came very close to banning him from the Infinitecoin forums over a referral scam where he conveniently used ambiguous wording in a very similar way he did here. I gave him the benefit of the doubt, but after seeing this repeated behavior of "mistakes" and ambiguous wording that always just happens to work in his favor, I am doubting that judgement.

I have received this message from him:



But I will not (obviously) remove the negative trust, or at least only if you repay back killyou72. I hope all this situation will have a happy ending.

Same here. No one cares how right you think you are. Everyone knows what you did. Make reparations or be labeled a scammer. Simple as that. Is the $150 or whatever extra you got worth losing your reputation?

If the user does care for his reputation, he should refund you. The user has mentioned here: So, Im buying 100 CAD worth BTC via paypal at bitcoinaverage.com prices! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=816934.0

When he himself trades at the market price, I don't know why he does not want to refund you the money or he is happy getting $120-50 more. Tomorrow as it happened to you, it can happen to him as well though I hope it doesn't.




Past record of buying fraudulent gift cards. That's a good record as he buys fraudulent cards after knowing they are carded.

The unique time that we have been in touch is when I have sold him a starbucks code (received from bipolarbob). I do not know he bought some fraudulent cards (and he is noticed that those cards are fraudulent).

When I was selling my legit starbucks card received from a giveaway, he told me that others are selling for 25% of the face value. He also knows very well that the millions of cards he buys for 10-25% are obviously carded and illegally obtained but still he buys. His wish obviously but I wouldn't trust with a user who believes in buying illegal goods. He may be reputed but what he has done with the OP does not make him trustworthy and well, the fact is related as you BELIEVE in what you yourself do.

Check this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=864850.msg11015974#msg11015974 ("The balance on the Starbucks Card does not have a validity or expiry period" http://www.starbucks.in/card/card-terms-and-conditions)

To some extent, I agree with him as he thought he was earning a huge profit but now when he knows the OP made a mistake and he is being ignorant, he should refund him. As he deals with PP at the market price, I don't know what's stopping him here.

I also have dealt with many users/persons and if I make a mistake, they refund me my money and similarly I do it with others. That makes a person TRUSTWORTHY and not when you claim you are. Prove it.

I believe that. They think they can use their wording to their advantage. Oh me bad engrish. Me so sorries. Looks like its one of those might get lucky deals. I'll just word it bad and hope that they don't figure it out. Sounds right.

First of all I didn't write like that....
Secondly, TECSHARE, would you mind telling the entire thing here? Because you were the one ruining IFC, you were the one who promised a lot of things for IFC but couldn't really deliver. I was just trying to help IFC and you just pushed me away in your ego.

Hahaha now I am on trial. Thats funny. I see you aren't going to learn. Enjoy losing your reputation.

Its really simple and you know it. He overpaid you and you won't return the difference. There is no other way about it. I guarentee he wouldn't want to take a 3-$400 price hit. Would you? Of course not. Buy by you not sending him the difference, that's exactly what your doing.

I believe I deleted the original thread I referred to, but here are another couple examples of Kashish948 engaging in scummy behavior.

In this thread he tries to set up an address to personally collect donations for IFC bounties using an address suspiciously similar to the official donation address (which you can see in my signature there), and does not disclose he is in control of the funds, hoping people will assume it is the official donation thread. I have to warn him about it twice.

http://infinitecointalk.org/index.php/topic,649.msg4319.html#msg4319

In this thread we have a tshirt bounty, and his submission is putting the logotypes that other users made onto photos of people wearing tshirts, then gets upset that I don't pay him a bounty for them.

http://infinitecointalk.org/index.php/topic,1687.msg9970.html#msg9970

Of course each time this happens he throws a big shit fit and pretends he did nothing wrong. Return the funds or make a new username and start over. You don't have any other options. Try being a decent human being for once instead of just running around trying to figure out what you can take from everyone around you with the least amount of work.

Ok in the thread http://infinitecointalk.org/index.php/topic,649.msg4319.html#msg4319, I had asked a mod, "c1010010" to put up his address for collection. He did provide me with that address and then you forcefully asked him to remove it. That is the time I had to put my own address. And here you are trying to show that I put my own address since the beginning. And I have put it in bold just below the address that "c1010010 has pulled his address for now and the above address is not by c1010010 or TECSHARE." Also, people please read my reply just below the message TECSHARE is showing.

As for the second thread, I do not even argue with you about it. I had asked another global mod about it before doing anything and only then proceeded. lol atleast check my post http://infinitecointalk.org/index.php/topic,1687.msg10548.html#msg10548.

Also, why dont you post the links to the posts where people were accusing you of behaving like a dictator and ruining IFC? Oh did you delete them?

You can argue about other issues all day. All anyone cares about is that you refund your trading partner with the difference of the disputed amount.

I agree.

You know what is especially retarded about this situation? He could have probably sold his account for more than he stole from you. LOL!
Kashish likes to think he can outsmart everyone, but all he really does is fuck himself.

P.S. Kashish has now left me negative retaliatory feedback for callng him out. If anyone thinks this guy is a scammer kicking and screaming because he got caught, please flood his trust with negative ratings for me so he understands it works both ways :)

I agree kashish948 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=152514) should receive some more trusted negative feedback. I really don't like the fact this account shows green trust by default after he stole from OP.

After I found out he left me retaliatory negative trust, I pmed a few people who have left him positive ratings in the past, now him being green is no longer a problem. I just want you to know you could have avoided all of this with a little honesty an humility. Good luck with your new name.

After some consideration, I have decided to leave kashish negative trust. While his thread does say he deals in CAD, it is pretty clear that killyou was under the assumption that the price he asked for was in USD. This assumption was not unreasonable, since neither party mentions CAD in the PMs that have been made public, and the price of $900 CAD is definitely well below "market price" that was discussed. I'm not sure whether kashish intentionally scammed, but it doesn't really matter, since his refusal to come to an agreement with killyou after the fact says enough about his trustworthiness. A trustworthy trader would either find a new price that both parties could agree upon or reverse the trade entirely if such an agreement could not be made.

That's exactly right. Even though they mention CAD in their thread, once they seen that they had received a overpayment, the first thing they should have done was contact the trader and advise them to what has happened. Then and only after a mutual agreement has  been made proceed with the trade as discussed. This trade, to me, is a scam since they will not return the overbalance.

Damn kashish, you're in the wrong here and need to pay killyou back the difference. I don't believe there is any scamming going on by either party but obviously a miscommunication happened. Being the buyer and running your own thread you should have clarified CAD in the PM, it's not only his responsibility in this exchange, it's yours as well.. if not more so.


A troubling attitude.

You really should consider paying the guy back, it's a small price to pay for the lesson.

We've traded before without any problem but I'll watch this thread for a couple of days and hope you set things right with killyou.

I have PMed OP about this. I really thought that it should go by the terms on my thread but if everybody thinks I am wrong, Im willing to discuss it with OP. Ill keep everybody updated.

Also please keep in mind if I really wanted to scam, I had the opportunity of not sending any money to OP. Why would I send 900 CAD if I wanted to scam?

This is my last comment in this thread. Kashish had time to think about it and came to the right decision. Like I said to them, I know it would have been hard to return it. But they used their better judement on it and came to the right solution. Glad all is resolved for the better. GL to both of you.

I will not remove the negative trust (or at least not now). You must repay (the difference) killyou72, and please stop to send me PM about this situation.

Killyou please update here if the issue is resolved.

killyou72 is offline. Hasnt yet replied my PM.

It may be beneficial to get this wrapped up and resolved quickly because I don't think Bit-x allows negative trust users in the signature campaign.

I'm fairly sure that they could care less about the sig campaign they are enrolled in. They deal with more money than Bit-X pays this user per week for their posts. If the situation is resolved, which it looks like it will be, they will be no actions taken by Bit-X for the -trust.

Excellent kashish, I'm glad you are now trying to resolve this in a positive way. I've had good dealings with you and would hate to see things end badly over this one instance. I hope killyou72 comes back online and you guys can get this quickly cleared up. Best of luck.

this just proves communication is key.

always pm the person then to go on a ranting rampage, glad this issue is being resolved if the op ever does come back.

We have come to an agreement. I just don't have BTC ready right now so have asked for his paypal id for partial payment. Most of it is solved. Should be all resolved by tomorrow. Will keep everybody updated.

Edit: killyou72 logged off and I am now waiting for him to reply. Have also given him my skype contact so that we can have a quick chat and get this solved. Waiting for him to come back online.....

Since it appears that you now have some BTC (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1038116.0) it would probably be a good idea for killyou72 to request a refund in BTC.

Already PMed him today morning...you should relax a little. You look more worried than me or OP.
Sure there's no connection between you and OP?

Op was very active while you were unable to find a solution for this situation, and now there's no more input from him on this thread..
If kashish is ready to return overpayment, this should be settled now, to void any possible new turns.

@op please update situation, and let this be over already, now ure the one lagging behind.

He is in touch with me on PMs but logged off suddenly this morning......im sure he will be back. He has to receive money :)

That's great, but it would be even more nice to hear him confirm that, to keep the things transparent, because obviously we can't see any of those PM's.

cheers

Perfect, I will remove my negative trust againts you when all this situation will be resolved.


Good luck.

Currently working on it. kash is offering a refund of .34-.4ish. I am not settling for anything below 100%.(I feel as if I am entitled to more actually) My last quoted price to refund him was .5 btc. However, we have reached the issue that kash seems to think he paid me around 740$ when infact I only received $700. This is because of the paypal fees with converting currency(which I just learned about, but someone such as kash IM sure knew this before hand).

I really don't think the refund should be any less than 0.4756 BTC as I posted here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1025709.msg11105640#msg11105640
If anything it should be more for the inconveniences. 0.5 sounds fair to me. I think it's a very bad sign kashish948 tries to negotiate the refund this way.

I try to negotiate this is bad? So i should just pay more than what he overpaid?

Ill be online on skype in 20 mins OP.

No. Respecting your original market price agreement would be enough :)
It would have been great if you did that from the beginning but at least doing so now would be good.

Please check your PM in 2 mins :)

1syXFjZwKDrYjFdEJ7e1TffTasXAvsYf1


That is where he shoudl have sent payment to resolve this issue I have to leave right now But please resolve this

Payment of 0.44 BTC as agreed by both of us has been sent.

https://blockchain.info/tx/9122e27c601010b500aac7616f691007a080f7769530eee1acb0b5d5b0a65c16

Thanks!

Good to know this is resolved. Good luck and have great day!

killyou72 please confirm everything is OK now, especially confirm that was the amount you agreed.

I have removed my negative rating for Kashish. I would suggest others do the same once killyou posts.

I have preemptively removed my negative feedback, since I trust kashish's claim that an agreement has been reached, and it seems unfair to him to wait until killyou posts. This is, of course, contingent on killyou72's eventual confirmation of the agreement.

I've also removed the negative trust, well done kashish948.