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A New York judge ruled today that the Metropolitan Transit Authority — a.k.a. NYC’s public transit — must run a pro-Israel group’s controversial ads, widely considered to be anti-Jihad, that could allegedly incite violence against Jewish people.
According to the New York Times, Judge John G. Koeltl said that the ad, commissioned by the American Freedom Defense Initiative, was protected speech and could therefore run on MTA property (as long as the MTA does not appeal). “While the court is sensitive to the M.T.A.’s security concerns, the defendants have not presented any objective evidence that the ‘Killing Jews advertisement’ would be likely to incite imminent violence,” he wrote.

“The defendants underestimate the tolerant quality of New Yorkers, and overestimate the potential impact of these fleeting advertisements,” he added.
Ah, right. The ads in question, which will be displayed on buses and in subway stops, will look like this:

Very controversial! The president of the American Freedom Defense Initiative, Pamela Geller, applauded the decision as “a “triumph for liberty and truth.” Meanwhile, the MTA may appeal the ruling, and the Times describes them as “disappointed”.
The Times notes that Geller’s group has run similar ads on MTA property before, and that this iteration was a jab at a similar campaign:
The set of ads was intended to parody a “My Jihad” campaign by the Council on American-Islamic Relations. Those “My Jihad” ads portrayed jihad as a concept of nonviolent individual and personal struggle.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/judge-rules-mta-must-run-killing-jews-is-worship-ad-on-buses-subways/ (http://www.mediaite.com/online/judge-rules-mta-must-run-killing-jews-is-worship-ad-on-buses-subways/)

Distasteful drama such as this one will actually invite negativity towards Jews. There is no need to quote some stupid fanatic from the Hamas and then paste it all over the city. Jewish organizations in NY should intervene and stop this stupid advertisement. It is definitely of bad taste. If you want to indulge in a propaganda war against Hamas, there are better options.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDMTFERWMAAb2-S.jpg

^Yeah, this was so over the top and since I can't remember seeing such an ad on this level I just had to post for sheer ridiculousness of it.

jews need to get the fuck over themselves with their the whole world wants to exterminate us bullshit

A Jewish group using the same sort of propaganda and rhetoric to villainize and dehumanize Muslims as the Nazis used to villainize and dehumanize Jews?
Seems like the American "Freedom" Defense Initiative learned the wrong message from the Holocaust.

I guess they want to carry on with the established and highly profitable business model, but because of the lack of nazis they need to create new enemies and maybe sacrifice fellow jews to victimize themselves. If I would be a north african, or ethiopian jew I would be somewhat worried.

The president of the American Freedom Defense Initiative, Pamela Geller, applauded the decision as “a “triumph for liberty and truth.”

That's cute. So if I draw a swastika and SS symbols on my car and drive it through NYC every day it's my right and another triumph of liberty and truth, because I'm true to my beliefs.

That's exactly true. Most of the people would like to conveniently forget that there are still Jews living in Arab nations. For example, there are a few thousand of them in Morocco, and a few hundred in Yemen. These people would be facing any possible revenge attacks for the stupidity of this New York City Jewish group.

The hypocrisy is nauseating

I wish the Jihadis who openly believe in and praise killing Jews were as controversial as the people who point it out.

If you're looking for people to compare to the Nazis, how about looking at the people who tortured and murdered Ilan Halimi in 2006? Or if 9 years is too long ago, look at the man who killed the Jews in that supermarket in Paris in January? Or the Jewish kids shot and killed at a school a couple of years ago? All these examples are in France and they were all killed by Jihadis.

Jews actually are being targetted and killed. Today. By the people who say their goal is to kill Jews. Because of their religion.

And you're comparing the people pointing this out to the Nazis. Instead of the people who are actually demonizing Jews, actually targetting Jews, actually killing Jews.

Do you ever stop for a moment and think that maybe you're missing something?

If an ad says you should buy hamburgers, then they want to sell hamburgers for profit. If an ad says you should kill jews, then this Pamela Geller obviously wants people to kill jews for her, whether for sick kicks, or more likely to incite a circle of sectarian violence from which she and her buddies will profit.

Whatever the motive, it is incitement to murder and must not be allowed but punished instead.

Would you like to see a list about all the woman and children who have been killed in Gaza?
BTW jihadist are not controversial. They are scum, but you guys unleashed these scum and I'm pretty sure eventually we will be those who will have to fight and win your war again.

The ad doesn't say you should kill Jews. Read it again. It's quoting what Hamas says about killing Jews. It's an ad about what the word jihad means.

Pamela Geller doesn't want Jews killed. That's why she's point out Jew-killers and the people who excuse them. What do the people who want to silence her want? Dead Jews.

Don't worry. Jews will continue to be killed whether this ad runs or not. And people will blame the Jews for being killed.

Just to clarify: are you implying that I am a Jew? If so, what led you to this conclusion?

This ad is literally calling for murder, and whether she and you thinly disguise it "but it's not us but our Hamas buddies who say so", her goal is Jews being murdered for her profit, and I won't doubt she won't find some useful idiots doing her work believing it to be their god's...

You are literally wrong. I'm using the word literally literally here. Read the ad. It doesn't call for murder. It's calling out someone who calls for murder. Why don't you want those who advocate the murder of Jews to be called out? It's also calling out those who try to mislead people about what jihad means. Why don't you want those people to be called out?

But look. We agree that someone will kill some Jews and justify it using Islam. And we agree that you'll blame Pamela Geller instead of the murderer, because Pamela Geller will be the Jew.

Obviously everytime a Jew is killed there's a Jew to blame because there is a secret Jew plan behind the killing. /s

And as far as who unleashed Jihadi scum, I think that would have been Muhammed about 1500 years ago.

Here's a nice reenactment of how it all started:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiaTHfoyJow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiaTHfoyJow)

"Something literally unbelievable has just happened to me!"

Unlike you, I don't give a fuck about the religion or rice of some racist or fundamentalist bastard who runs an ad campaign advocating murder. You seem to think it's great if a jew calls for murdering jews and advocates terrorism, because it's some hi irony or whatever, maybe that is your sick pleasure. Enjoy your barbarism and violence, I want nothing to do with your kind, and that includes anyone advocating violence, terror and war whatever their religion or nation.

She isn't calling for murdering Jews or advocating terrorism. She's opposing those things. Why are you lying about it? And why do you write "jew" instead of "Jew"? Looks to me like you actually do give a fuck.

Wait. "religion or rice"? "religion or rice"? What does that even mean? Am I arguing with some Nazi version of Eliza? Goddammit someone's made a Nazi version of Eliza and created 100 sock puppet accounts on bitcointalk and I've fucking wasted weeks arguing with them all. Fucking hell.

Correct.  I've been exploring the grammatical response patterns.

Yes I do. Perhaps because of your signature, or your previous post.

Thanks for answering. People have made this assumption a lot since I started defending Israel/Jews in the many, many threads popping up to hate on Israel/Jews. For months I just ignored it because I don't have a problem if people think I'm a Jew. (For the record: I'm not. I'm a Canadian Atheist. My ancestral ethnic background, like many "New Worlders" is who-the-fuck-knows and it's-not-important-to-me.)

Isn't it disturbing though that someone can be automatically assumed to be a Jew simply because they're against Jews being demonized, Jews being hated, Jews being killed? Or against Israel being attacked or destroyed?

Let's analyze the two pieces of evidence you pointed to that suggest I'm a Jew. My signature:


The first part is stating that if Israel is destroyed I will try to exterminate the human species. First this is evidence that I'm at least not a Jew living in Israel. If Israel is destroyed, the millions of Jews in Israel will all have been massacred. You could still believe I'm a Jew living elsewhere, but even outside of Israel most of the people who don't want Israel attacked/destroyed are not Jews (I hope!). This is simply because Jews are such a small minority. Also, I've known some leftist Jews who supported "Queers for Palestine." Jews are like anyone else. Some of them are just dumb.

Point 1: If someone doesn't want Israel destroyed, then that doesn't indicate they are a Jew.

If you wanted to argue against Point 1, the right way to do it would be some statistics providing evidence that most of the people who don't want Israel destroyed are Jews. I'd be surprised if anyone actually believed that. I wouldn't be surprised if most non-Jews in the world do want Israel destroyed, but that's a different assertion. To see the difference, divide people into four groups JI = Jews who support Israel, JD = Jews who support Israel's destruction, NI = Non-Jews who support Israel, ND = Non-Jews who support Israel's destruction. JI and JD both contain very few people, as Jews are a small minority. To argue against Point 1, you would need to argue that there are more people in JI than in NI, which seems very unlikely to me. This would require over 90% of non-Jews to support Israel's destruction. To argue that most non-Jews want Israel destroyed, you need to argue that ND has more people than NI. This would only require over 50% of non-Jews to support Israel's destruction.

Incidentally, some people may be wondering how I would exterminate the human species. I think the easiest way would be the creation of nanorobots designed to attack the human reproductive system. No one alive gets killed. They just can't have kids anymore. Bloodless extermination.

Why would I even have such a statement in my signature? I want the Jew-haters to know they do, in fact, have skin-in-the-game when it comes to Israel. I will do my best to make sure of that. The survival of your species depends on the survival of Israel. Jew-haters should remember that when they post.

The second part of the signature contains links to other bitcointalk threads with a lot of Jew hatred. Again, I think you'll find that most people who have a serious problem with Jew hatred are not Jews. Again, this is partly because Jews are such a small minority.

Point 2: If someone is vocally against Jew hatred, then this doesn't indicate they are a Jew.

I'm open to arguments against this. Simply present some evidence.

A lot of Jew haters in the world are Muslim. However, when I see Jew hatred on these threads I don't jump to the conclusion that the poster is Muslim. I mean, if their user name contains "Muhammed" I might jump to that conclusion. Hmm. Maybe when people see "J. J. Phillips" they think it stands for "Jew Jew Phillips". Well, it doesn't.

Finally, you pointed to my previous post:


Note that this is a post focused on Jihadis killing Jews. All my chosen examples are from France because it provides the best examples in Europe at the moment. For someone to read this and think it's evidence that I'm a Jew is strange. Do you think most of the people who have a problem with Jews being killed are Jews themselves? If so, maybe you're right. Show me some statistics. It would be very sad if that turned out to be the case. I don't think it was true 20 years ago. I don't think non-Jews went to see Schindler's List to enjoy seeing Jews get killed. Maybe today most people would. If so, I think that supports my human extermination project.

Point 3: If someone opposes Jews being openly targetted and killed, that's not an indication that this person is themselves a Jew.

Maybe I'm really wrong on these points in today's society. Maybe things have devolved so far back into the 1930s that the vast majority (over 90%) of non-Jews would never defend a Jew, even with words.

And from your online name and other Significant Evidence I conclude you are actually a talking snail, bred in laboratories of China for testing out Internet Control Methods.

You have the right to do that. If I think that your conclusion isn't right and I care to set it right then I'll inform you about my "real" identity and intentions :).

LOL...

Well, you have to admit, having a name Snail....

Hahaha, yes, poor innocent Jews! Always being picked on and killed for no reason whatsoever!


What's disturbing is why you are buying into Jewish lies as if your life depended on it...


Why so much hatred, when you're not even a Jew?

Well, no Jew-hatred indicated there!


You're the one buying into lies about the Jews. Lies about Jews have often infected the weak-minded. Just consider seeking some help for your problem.


It's not only Jews who hate Nazis.

For being an atheist, you sure have an interest in Judaism.  ::) ::)

No, I can say that it's been hacked, in reality my name is Squirrel, and I have no idea where the 650K went :). Actually I can say everything what I want. One of the blessings of the Internet.

You wont see them quote a Jihadist saying "Israel is stealing land against all international law". Even though this is the ONLY argument I heard when in Palestine. Why? Because it is true, indefensible, and does not fit the Israeli governments story about how unreasonable the Palestinians are.  

Call it what you want but Israel is an apartheid state and feels America owes it something. It is time to turn the clock and start making some new friends in the Mid-East.

Heh. I think you're suggesting I'm a sneaky, lying Jew. So sneaky and lying that I claim not to be a Jew in order to Jew you into not doubting my defense of Jews. That's some pretty deep Jew-hatred there. Do you imagine me doing all this while stroking the Jew gold around my neck? And then do you imagine that's not the real Jew gold, but the fake Jew gold I use to Jew non-Jews?

It's fine with me if you want to live there and be friends with them. Watch your throat though.

I don't believe there is such a thing as "international law." We obviously disagree about this.

I find it odd that the "apartheid state" is the one with both Jews and non-Jews and the future Palestinian state will be Judenrein.

Also, I can't remember Judaism (as a religion) ever coming up in this thread. Islam has been discussed a little, since Islam teaches about both the subject of Jihad and the related subject of killing Jews.

By the way, if you ever end up as the star of one of those hostage beheading videos, I'll make sure to tell everyone not to feel bad. They were your friends.

Some are my friends and I'm not afraid of anyone. I have fought real jihadists on three continents. They are weak and must rely on terror to scare people because they are powerless to actually threaten people.

But thinking "they" are some kind of cohesive group is to show ignorance of the complexity of the region. These are the same people you meet in Europe, America, everywhere. Some are cool, some are idiots, but in general I find the Muslims there to be kinder than most people I meet around the world.

I agree the region is complex, and often oversimplified to fit narratives. And Muslims as people are fine, as long as they're either ignorant of their religion or they at least don't take it seriously. It's when they start reading about it and trying to follow the example of Muhammed that they're intolerant and lethal.

As for "real jihadists" I'm curious:

Are members of Hamas "real jihadists"?

Are suicide bombers* "real jihadists"? *I'm thinking of the series of suicide bombings in Israel before the barrier was erected.

Are those who fire rockets into Israel "real jihadists"?

Maybe you have a stricter definition of jihadist than me. I'd say if someone is killing (or trying to kill) in the name of Islam, they're a real jihadi.

I suppose I don't have a great definition of one. Jihad just means to "struggle". Some Muslims think that being a defense lawyer or social activist is Jihadism. Others mean armed, violent struggle. That is more what I think of.
I first met armed Jihadists in the Balkans. The Serbs were rounding up and executing Bosnian Muslims. Europe and America stood around doing nothing for a long time and the only people who came to fight were Jihadists. You could see the change. Initially the Muslims there drank vodka while eating a ham sandwich. As time went on they started growing their beards and acting the part.  I am an atheist and would not have joined in, but I could understand them.

Even a group as ridiculous as dasch is understandable. The kids who join are often escaping despotic governments and poverty. They are told that they can restore the glory of the Caliphate and gain the respect they deserve. For many of these people religion is the only legitimate power they have ever known.

When they arrive reality sets in. They quickly see that it's just Muslims killing Muslims over oil fields and money. No God, no glory, just murder and power.

 So who is a real jihadist? They all think they are. Since God is part of the equation and remains silent... I don't know?

Thanks for the response. It's clarifying and I don't find anything to disagree with in it.

I bet we would all get along in real life also.  :)

The funny thing is several people I recently met there have their own misinformation. They would say things they thought western Christians believed. When you tried to get to the source it was always a quote by some crazy preacher.

But he said "All Christians must kill Muslims to go to heaven"! "That is what they believe in America! Oh boy Kahled, where to start.  ::)

0-100 real quick  :o

Seems like you're feeling pretty guilty to rant off like that  :D

I'm an atheist and also have not "an interest", but a definite respect for Judaism.  Seems there'd be no Christianity without it, and no Islam, either, and no Judeo-Christian western culture.

Some people around here really need to get off the hate bus.

This is quite distasteful
If I saw this advertisment I would not support it, as the message could be presented in a better way.

I made an observation and was attacked for it. I didn't say any mean words but somehow I'm exhibiting hate.

Either people have a guilty conscience around here or are ultra-sensitive.

I'm entirely sure I'm not the only one that finds it weird someone would be willing to fight for a country that is built for Jews (their own words) but claims to be atheist. I would call that person confused.

Can be seen prominently on sites like Reddit.

Don't criticize it though or you are going to be labeled anti-semitic

What some people take into consideration, and others don't evidently, are the relative positions of various minorities.

A lot of the most powerful people in America and France are Jewish. But there are very few powerful Muslims in those countries. So for example an Israeli wounded by a cheap rocket from Gaza will get a lot of mainstream press but a bunch of Gazans killed by expensive precision weapons that were a few feet off is not so much news.

A good place for a person like you to learn a little is the website http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

 ;D

Pumping trivial old news makes you irrelevant, not anti Semitic. Almost every interest group has its collection of trolls and spammers, why would zionoids be different?

100? I didn't even get to 10 in that post. You're obviously not familiar with my work. What would I have to feel guilty about? I'm not one of the Nazis on this thread.

Look. I understand a lot of you are seriously deeply into your Jew-hatred. You're so deeply into it that you can only imagine that someone would defend Jews/Israel if they are Jewish. If you really need to believe I'm Jewish, it's fine with me. You already believe a fuckload of lies, so why not believe one more? There's nothing wrong with being Jewish, and I'd have nothing to feel "guilty" about if I were.

You can say "oh, I'm not a Jew hater" all you want, but there are several obvious truths. Israel is one small Jewish democracy, in which non-Jews live as citizens. It was formed largely because Jews around the world have been persecuted by people just like you. It wasn't formed by "stealing Arab land." It's a long and complicated history that you obviously don't care about or you'd know it. You spend all your time demonizing Israel/Jews. Meanwhile the world is littered with Islamic theocracies. In some of these places non-Muslims are not even allowed to visit. There are women being stoned to death for being raped. Homosexuals are being thrown from buildings. In the past year we've seen people beheaded, crucified and burned alive. Militant Islamists kill far, far more Muslims than Israelis do. And they kill them in far more gruesome ways. Yet, you spend all your time complaining about Israel/Jews.

Deep down you have to know why you're singling out the Jews. The same reason the Nazis did. Because you're fucking Nazis. Now, I'll acknowledge that most of you are too stupid to know you're Nazis, but that doesn't change the fact that you are.

I do not feel guilty about attacking Nazis online. It's just a little time-consuming hobby I have. I wouldn't have felt guilty if I'd been part of fire bombing Dresden in WW2. As I've said before, the problem with Dresden is not enough Nazis died in a fire. When I make offhand comments about hoping you guys die in a fire, I mean that quite literally. An even better fate would be if someday you were forced to decide between burning to death or jumping from the 100th floor of a skyscraper.

For the record, the previous paragraph is how I hit 10. Would you like to see 11?

The message consists of certain obvious propositions:

1. Jihad is a word primarily used to indicate a militant struggle by Muslims, and part of that struggle involves killing Jews.
2. There are people and groups (with lots of ad money) trying to give the false impression that this is not the primary use of the word Jihad.

Can you suggest a better way to present this? Most of the comments I've seen here just want two things: (1) shut up about Jihadis and (2) dead Jews.

Well according to the articles on the topic the ads were placed by a pro-israeli group. I can't see how an ad trying to achieve shock advertising could be distasteful. I think that this group tries it's best to draw attention that Jews are not doing well with Jihadists. We already knew that they didn't do well with Muslims but the radicals want them dead. Maybe the ad fails to pass this message clearly at first glance but it surely draws the attention of people easily. 

Yesterday I saw a comment on the bitcoin reddit in the "Shamir vs. Diffie" thread. It referenced that Shamir is a Jew by saying something like "Strange how Jews end up at the top of their field by building a little piece on top of other people's work." It's now been deleted. Do you think the fact that it was deleted is a sign of what you're describing? I would think it was deleted by a mod who saw the comment as racist and irrelevant.

Incidently, I didn't know Shamir was Jewish. In fact, I still don't because I haven't checked. It's not important to me. The thing that's so disheartening is that it's clear a lot of you watch a video and see someone like Shamir and the first thing you think is goddamn Jew. It's probably the only thing you think. That's just sad. Rabid dogs have more restraint and reasoning power.

Pamela Geller is Jewish, pro-Israel (why do you write "israeli" instead of "Israeli"?) and anti-Jihad. I remember reading about her in 2006, so she's been around a long time. I'm sure you could find her side of the story if you're interested.

From what I've read, this ad was created in response to a series of ads designed to mislead people into believing: "Jihad just means struggle, nothing bad about Jihad." This assertion about Jihad is ridiculously false, and Geller's ad demonstrates how ridiculously false it is by actually quoting a Jihadi.

Jews haven't "done well" with Jihadis since the time of Muhammed. I don't think that's news. On the other hand, I'm sure most people aren't aware of the history.

I'm sure if the ads do go up, it won't stay up for long. The modern axis of Jew haters will have a Kristallnacht in which the ads are defaced or destroyed. This will be followed by media stories praising how open and tolerant this proves New Yorkers are.

JJ Phillips, what exactly is the reason you go to extreme lengths to defend Jews and not any other group of people? If you truly do not identify as a Jew, then you're just about the most brainwashed shabbos goy I've ever seen. You're like a robot with an extremely narrow belief system, similar to Anders Breivik. Your calling everybody a nazi is something that only the most radically racist of Jewish groups do, such as the JDF and JIDF. The hatred you're holding onto is not doing you any good, my brother.

Is there another group of people who are being demonized and lied about to a similar degree?

I literally believe people like most of the people on this thread who spread lies and propaganda about Jews are -- on purpose -- working towards a second Holocaust. I accept that I can't stop them, but I'm not going to watch it happen silently.

Try to imagine if you didn't hate Jews. Try to imagine you were against the systematic extermination of the Jews. And try to imagine you were watching people openly marching the world towards a second Holocaust. What would you do?

You guys may have a day of celebration the day six million Jews are killed -- again. But after the celebrations calm down, I want you to remember me. If you have young kids, you will look at them and know that because of me you will never have grandkids. If you have young grandkids, know that because of me they will never have kids. Your family will die out, the same way you killed the Jews. And it is all because you couldn't take an objective look at the clear evidence in the world today. All because you had to focus on one small group of people while overlooking the much worse actions of much larger groups of people.

You have signed the death warrant of the Jews. And you have signed your own as well.

You sound like Irv Rubin... how did so much hate build up in you? What happened to you?

MTA Votes to Ban All Political Advertising After Judge OKs "Hamas Killing Jews" on City Buses





The nation's largest mass transit system has voted to ban all political advertising on its subways and buses after a judge ruled that a pro-Israel group was allowed to display an advertisement containing the phrase "Hamas Killing Jews" on New York City buses.
The resolution passed Wednesday by a vote of 9-2 at the MTA's board meeting after the finance committee approved it earlier in the week. The cash-strapped agency says such advertising only accounts for less than $1 million of its annual advertising revenue of $138 million.


"Advertisements expressing viewpoint messages, regardless of the viewpoint being expressed, would no longer be accepted," the MTA's general counsel, Jerome Page, told the committee on Monday.
New York follows in the footsteps of cities including Los Angeles, Chicago and Philadelphia, which already have banned political ads on public transit, Page said.


The lawsuit was filed last year by the American Freedom Defense Initiative after the MTA notified the group in August that it would display three of four proposed advertisements but not an ad with the quote "Killing Jews is Worship that draws us close to Allah" because it could incite violence. In the ad, a covered face is shown next to the quote, which is attributed to "Hamas MTV." It is followed by the words: "That's his Jihad. What's yours?"
Page said the decision to change MTA policy on advertising was prompted by safety concerns.


"We drew the line when we thought our customers, our employees and the public were in danger," he said. "The judge gave short shrift to those concerns."
The judge stayed the effect of the decision for a month so that it can be appealed. But the change in advertising policy would render an appeal unnecessary.


"Under the First Amendment, the fear of such spontaneous attacks, without more, cannot override individuals' rights to freedom of expression," U.S. District Court Judge John Koeltl said of the ruling.
Outspoken MTA board member Charles Moerdler was supportive of the decision.


"Hateful speech, with its odious appeal to intolerance, is the incendiary that ignites violence and ultimately destroys free and democratic institutions," Moerdler said.
But board member Allen Cappelli argued that, simply because a couple of "hateful people" have tried to abuse the privilege of free speech doesn't justify taking that right away from millions of others.


"I am really sad to see management attempting to go down this road," Cappelli said. "I believe very strongly that the antidote to hateful speech is more free speech."


http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/MTA-Political-Advertising-Ban-Pro-Israel-Subway-Bus-301651991.html

Well, congratulations, Nazis. You win another round. Hamas and their surrogate Jihadis in CAIR get to spend years advertising lies about what "Jihad" means. Then as soon as someone tries to advertise about what "Jihad" really means they get silenced. You didn't even have to organize a Kristallnacht to silence her after all. The Nazi NYC government took care of it for you.

You guys really want me to criticize a Jew? Well, I can now oblige.

This man with his bullshit politician smile is Charles Moerdler.

http://s28.postimg.org/dhc1tfvhl/moerdler.jpg

He is a Jewish Holocaust survivor born in Paris, France.

And now he is a fucking Nazi collaborator.

He is now on the board of the MTA and voted to stop this ad from being shown.

Jews today would be safer if Charles Moerdler had been part of the six million.

Maybe in the end this thread will bring many enemies together. At last, we have one Jew we can all hate.

Present what? You are not presenting, you are selling. The answer is stop selling shit.

Hmm. This is such a strange response that it leads me to think there was a misunderstanding. The user EternalWingsofGod said "the message could be presented in a better way." I asked what that better way was. In my question I made sure to be clear what the message of the ad was. If he or she thinks the message of the ad is something different, then I'm sure he or she will say so in the response. Did you think the message of the ad was something different than I said? I mean, are you aware of the CAIR run "my jihad" ad campaign that this ad was a response to?

Anyway, it's an academic discussion. It's now officially forbidden to say Jihad is bad. I suppose dealing with that will have to be my struggle. Or one could say "my jihad." I guess since we have some idiot on the thread now pretending to be Hitler he can let us know how to say "my struggle" in German.

Actually, that gives me an idea for an alternative ad campaign.

http://s4.postimg.org/wawwuda3x/kampfmoerdler.png

Since you asked it doesn't take a partisan ad to get a message sent.

The same message can be done in a less offensive way, perhaps remove the Jihadist picture, remove the reference to Jihad and reframe it as an informational advertisment.

The reason this is controversial in my opinion is because they quoted a radical message to get their own point across, a neutral approach could be just as effective.

Perhaps something along the lines of

"Killing Jews is Worship that draws us close to Allah" Hamas MTV

War is never the answer, fight for a world where we can all worship together in peace.

With a picture of two peoples hands holding an Israeli and Muslim flag holding a globe together

Get a message with a clear point across that doesn't ask for more blood on everyones hands, as the current one implies or leave a bad taste in some peoples mouths, while implying the need for stability and support towards the end goal that is peace.

(The What's yours reference in the ad means sending Israel more weapons and military aid to address the issue instead of trying to find another path towards peace and stability in my opinion)

Although considering what Bibi promised his constituents to get votes, I can see where the Israeli lobby is getting its policy ideas from.
(Pretends not to notice that it's harder to find the related articles on this topic in google related to his twitter tweet it seems to be getting buried)
"The right-wing government is in danger. Arab voters are heading to the polling stations in droves. Left-wing NGOs are bringing them in buses."
http://wallwritings.me/2015/03/22/bibi-wins-with-racism-and-revoked-promise/


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An update to this topic the New York transit system just passed a political ban because of this one ad and the judges statement.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/29/new-york-city-mta-bans-political-ads-hamas-killing-jews

The nation’s largest mass transit system has banned all political advertising on its subways and buses after a judge ruled that a pro-Israel group was allowed to display an advertisement containing the phrase “Killing Jews” on New York City buses.

The resolution passed Wednesday at the Metropolitan Transportation Authority’s board meeting.

“Advertisements expressing viewpoint messages, regardless of the viewpoint being expressed, would no longer be accepted,” the MTA’s general counsel, Jerome Page, told the committee on Monday.

...

“Hateful speech, with its odious appeal to intolerance, is the incendiary that ignites violence and ultimately destroys free and democratic institutions,” Moerdler said.

But board member Allen Cappelli argued that simply because a couple of “hateful people” have tried to abuse the privilege of free speech doesn’t justify taking that right away from millions of others.

“I am really sad to see management attempting to go down this road,” Cappelli said. “I believe very strongly that the antidote to hateful speech is more free speech.”


New York is following in the footsteps of cities including Los Angeles, Chicago and Philadelphia, which already have banned political ads on public transit, Page said.
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Thanks for the reply. The basic layout of the ad is the same as the ones placed by CAIR as part of their "my jihad" (or, in German, "mein Kampf") campaign. Some of us found those ads offensive. The CAIR ads certainly weren't neutral. The problem with sending a "peace is the answer" message is that it ignores the fact that jihadis openly do not want peace, except the peace that comes with the extermination of the Jews. Oh well. CAIR won this round. Fuck it.

CAIR lost - they lost the ability to post the offensive sicko adds because of the pushback.

They lost completely.

I am under the impression CAIR had already been able to run their ads. Is this wrong?

In any case, I'm sure if CAIR wanted to run more ads the MTA would reverse themselves. Or, more likely, simply say the CAIR ads are not advocating anything, but are just "public service announcements." It's obvious the MTA is pro-CAIR/Hamas and opposed to anyone against them.

Understood, but leaving the conjecture aside I am just pointing out -

CAIR runs offensive adds.
Someone counterattacks, running the anti-add.
CAIR's adds have to be taken down when the directors ban all political adds.

EG, CAIR loses.

As I said before, it's fine with me if you want to believe this. You guys already believe a shitload of false things, so what's one more. Understand though, it really means you think the majority of people who support and defend Israel are Jews and being paid off. That's not only false, it's batshit insane.


Sounds like you're frustrated at people calling you a Jew hater. Maybe it happens because you post things like this:



Sorry I couldn't find a more recent photo of you. If you point me to one I can update it.

So you're actually saying that the almost entirely Jewish NYC government are Nazis? Are you a member of the JDL or JTF? It's difficult to imagine someone with this level of built-up specifically-Jewish/Zionist hatred inside not being Jewish. You make me sick to my stomach.

Thanks!

It's a nice day. People got to see (again) that crazy Jihadis are willing to kill over cartoons, instead of cartoonists being killed two Jihadis were killed, and one of my old threads got brought back to life. I'm happier than Muhammed was when he was fucking a 9 year old.

No problem, I noticed a connection to the Dallas Texas shooting and thought it would be interesting to make a note that no one won that round on advertising since both sides have all partisan ads banned  but sometimes these debates do come back full circle.
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Abridged

For those unfamiliar with Pamela Geller, she was in the news a few weeks ago for sponsoring an ad campaign across major U.S. cities with anti-Muslim posters saying, among other things, “Killing Jews is Worship that draws us close to Allah.”

On Sunday, she was in the news again for sponsoring a “Jihad Watch Muhammad Art Exhibit and Cartoon Contest” in Garland, Tex., some 20 miles from Dallas, after which two suspects opened fire on a security guard before being shot and killed by police. Authorities did not immediately link the exhibit and the shootings, but Geller did, with vehemence.

Many in Garland objected to the event. Some, including Muslims, said it was blasphemous. Others cited “public safety” concerns. The Council on American-Islamic Relations, however, decided to play it down. “We are not paying any attention to this at all,” Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR spokesman, told the Dallas Morning News. “The thing [Geller] hates most is being ignored.”

But Geller knew what she was getting into and would not be ignored.

“I expected that people would come to realize how severely the freedom of speech is threatened today, and how much it needs to be defended,” she told The Post. “We were prepared for violence.” Indeed, her group’s Web site said “we know the risks” and that the “exhibit has to be staged.”

“If we don’t show the jihadists that they will not frighten us into silence,” the site said, “the jihad against freedom will only grow more virulent.”

“They struck in Paris and Copenhagen recently, and now in Texas. This incident shows how much needed our event really was. The freedom of speech is under violent assault here in our nation. The question now before is — will we stand and defend it, or bow to violence, thuggery and savagery?”

For Geller, it was her own Charlie Hebdo moment.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/05/04/why-a-woman-named-pamela-geller-organized-a-prophet-muhammad-cartoon-contest/


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Full article has links to videos, sources for the quotes etc, the Swimsuit video was interesting as she blogged on a beach in that sense she definitely is passionate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TG7DTOkU-s

Ahh Pamela Geller, the islamophobic nutcase who's banned from the UK for hate speech.....

Strange that she was due to speak at an EDL rally (before being banned) when the English Defence League is known for having nazi skinhead members. Not sure how well that would go down with her jewish family ;)

Here's what she wrote about the EDL in 2011 and 2013:

http://pamelageller.com/2011/06/edl-shake-up.html/ (http://pamelageller.com/2011/06/edl-shake-up.html/)
http://pamelageller.com/2013/10/exclusive-tommy-robinson-kevin-carroll-pamela-geller-robert-spencer-breaking-with-edl.html/ (http://pamelageller.com/2013/10/exclusive-tommy-robinson-kevin-carroll-pamela-geller-robert-spencer-breaking-with-edl.html/)

That fact that she and people like Geert Wilders are banned from the UK says more about the totalitarian state the UK has become than anything else. Perhaps it's better to call it Airstrip One at this point.

The fact that you're attacking her instead of the Jihadi fascists and murderers she opposes makes me hope the following: I hope you and everyone you ever care about has to live in the world you're helping to create. What world is that? Look at Pakistan. Look at Saudi Arabia. Look at certain neighborhoods in Malmo, in Amsterdam, in Paris, in London. You are the cause of what's happening, because you and your kind are openly protecting the new Nazis, the Jew haters, the Jihadis. I hope your daughters are raped and made sex slaves. I hope after you find out she is a sex slave you go to the police and they arrest you for the hate crime of reporting it. I hope your hands are cut off. I hope you are stoned. I hope you are thrown off a building. I hope you are burned alive. There is no fate just enough for those who can so clearly see who they are standing with, and continue to stand with them.

The highest irony here is that it is a long-standing Jewish/Zionist agenda to open the borders and bring Muslims, Africans, and other 3rd world peoples into white European countries. Barbara Spectre ring a bell?

You are a very, very disgusting human being, Jew or not.

interesting point the post above mine makes, here's a clip of barbara spectre its only a minute long, everyone should watch , basically an influential jewess admitting jews are at the centre of agenda to make europe multiracial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Dq5O1bxqg

jews have been at the forefront of multicult agenda telling europeans and americans all races and cultures are equal and that if we do not open our borders to third world savages we are bad people

think on it before you tell me im wrong

every top human right lawyer who stops us deporting jihadi terrorists is jewish
every movie studio that promotes race mixing is jewish
hate speech laws (europe , canada, auastralia, not so much usa) that stop us talking about islam implemented by or for the benefit of jews, george soros, adl, splc etc.
every politician who says israel for jews white countries for everyone bought and paid for by jews
cultural marxism and open borders agenda that floods western countries with muslims 100% jewish ideas

and the first people these animals target when thy arrive on our shores are jews, see how the parasite destroys itself

Great! We've gone from you finding me disgusting because you thought I was a dirty Jew, to you finding me disgusting even if I'm not a Jew. That's progress.

I've never heard of Barbara Spectre. Somehow I doubt she's been very important in making policy in Europe. Based on her Wikipedia page it looks like she's an American Jew who moved to Israel in the 1960s and then moved to Sweden in 1999. I doubt she was instrumental in making changes to Swedish immigration policy. But she's a Jew and so you want to try to blame her for things. Presumably in this case you want to blame her for importing Muslims into "white European countries."  "Blame" sounds like you think that's a bad thing. But I doubt you actually think there's anything bad about importing Muslims into "white European countries" do you? You don't seem like someone whose thought processes go further than, "Jews bad."

I just watched saddampbuh's video, and, yes, Barbara Spectre is a multiculturalist and believes the current wave of Jew hatred will die down and that Jews will be an important part of Swedish society. She's wrong. Jew hatred might die down after all the Jews are driven out or killed, but history shows that Islamic societies like future Sweden usually continue to hate Jews even after there are no Jews left. The video makes a big point about her saying "Jews will be resented because of our leading role." But do Jews really have a "leading role" in Sweden? Are you really asserting that? And then at the end is a message from famous KKK/holocaust denier/politician David Duke. This is what I expect from saddampbuh, who is an open Nazi, and better informed than most of the lazy Jew haters on this forum. But it is Nazi Jew hating propaganda about one particular Jew who has no real power in Sweden. I strongly encourage those of you who have been too lazy to look into the bullshit you've been repeating to look more closely. If you're going to be a Nazi, at least know you're a Nazi and know why you're a Nazi.

Incidentally, I don't think Muslim immigration is the real problem. I doubt most Muslims sympathize with Jihadis, but most are too cowardly to stand up to Jihadis. This is natural since they and their families will be killed if they stand up to Jihadis. It's like standing up to the mafia. In a free society in which it's safe to speak and criticize, things might be different for ordinary Muslims. But we don't have that society and people have decided they don't want to have that society.

What's truly unforgivable is that the rest of you are unwilling to even open your mouth and acknowledge what monsters Jihadis are, and that these monsters exist, and that they do in fact find their justifications in Islamic texts and beliefs. Worse than your silence is that you attempt to silence the people who point it out. You're making Western society dangerous for everyone except Jihadis, including being dangerous for moderate Muslims and ex-Muslims.

Some of you are doing it because you hate Jews so much that you'd rather live in an unfree Islamic society than a free society, if the unfree society will be Judenrein. That's disgusting. You know what's more disgusting? You Nazi fucks are probably in the majority.

Here is the world you have made, the world in which your daughters will be made sex slaves and you will not even be allowed to complain:

http://pamelageller.com/2013/05/uk-police-probe-at-least-54-more-muslim-child-sex-slavery-gangs.html/ (http://pamelageller.com/2013/05/uk-police-probe-at-least-54-more-muslim-child-sex-slavery-gangs.html/)

Yes, well you're wrong because <inserts 1 page of random psychobabble >, and how do you like that?

their leading role in spreading multicult ideas that are flooding sweden and europe with muslims not that they literally lead europe in the sense of our having jewish presidents and kings.

the jewish academic and media elite created multiculturalism when they decided the only way to get rid of antisemitism and ban our soap and lampshade festivals was to destroy european national identities

how many rich influential jews do you see supporting political parties that want to restrict third world/islamic immigration? there are non antisemitic and even pro israel nationalists like ukip and the dutch freedom party but jews dont support them. i dont mean nobodies like pam gellar but ones with money and power who could get them on the front pages every day if they wanted. european and american jewry supports left wing liberal open borders social democrat parties as they always have, even when jews are spat at and shot in the street by the same savages on whose behalf they campaign for amnesties and human rights and hate speech legislation

So basically you're a nutcase...JIDF are really scraping the barrel nowadays ;)

How about the 16 year old Palestinian who was burned alive?
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2014/07/06/world/middleeast/ap-ml-israel-palestinians.html

Look at what Obama himself said in his speech in Jerusalem:
"Put yourself in their shoes – look at the world through their eyes. It is not fair that a Palestinian child cannot grow up in a state of her own, and lives with the presence of a foreign army that controls the movements of her parents every single day."  Source: CNN (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/21/transcript-obamas-speech-in-israel/)

And the UN talkin about Israel's treatment of Palestinian child detainees:
“Israel’s use of solitary confinement against children flagrantly violates international human rights standards"
Source: UN (http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=42527&Cr=palestin&Cr1=)



https://i.imgur.com/Z2uoo9a.gif

get the fuck out of here with your muslims are peaceful like us bullshit

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html




in other news, jew compares ukip to the holohoax for not wanting britain to take in more muslim invaders

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.654851

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/british-islamic-leaders-condemn-isis-extremists-barbaric-violence-9599907.html

If those radicalized Islamists were smart they'd just shoot Pamela Geller. Cut off the head and the snake will die!

Actually, no. If they were smart, they would become secular Americans and ignore this hate mongering idiot. Just because you pick on the "bad guy" doesn't make you any more of a "good guy" she's stirring the pot and she knows it. Jews vs. Muslims....can't they both lose?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/robert-spencer/britain-muslim-rape-gangs-run-wild/

Ha, yes, I'm the nutcase secret Jew. Why? Because I hope those of you who defend Jihadis who do the things I listed are the objects of their acts. Everything I listed is based on real events in the recent past. Some people are offended by the things these Jihadis do and speak out against them. You speak out against those who speak out against them. If you think you're not a Nazi, it's only because you're too dumb to know what a Nazi is.

You're confused about who the snake is. Look in the mirror.

couldn't resist


https://i.imgur.com/FLPOCE7.png

Three words. 


Freedom of speech.

That's the snake you want to die?

It's more like freedom of preach, trash like Geller are just stiring up hatred under the guise of 'freedom'.

Maybe Pamela should ask the Palestinians in Gaza what freedoms they have, I'm sure it would be an interesting conversation.

Sorry, I am not seeing any logical connection between your two sentences.

Freedom of speech is absolutely the freedom to say unpopular things.  If I point out just what the definition is, then, well, you are either for it or against it.

But please don't say you are for it if it's subjects you approve of.

I think you're stirring up more hatred than she is. Maybe someone should shut you up.

How is freedom of speech in Graytown, OH?

Not for nothing, and I'm going to refrain from posting any of my views on Islam and Judaism, but this is exactly the type of speech that needs to be protected.  And this is one of the reasons why so many filthy, ignorant immigrants flock to the United States.  We can call Muhammed a filthy cunt or tell the Jews to get over the fucking holocaust already without fear of government reprisal.  Well, mostly.

Now I'd like to see a similar thing come from the Muslims, i.e., a propaganda message about Jews just ready to be slapped up on a NYC subway car.  Nothing like taking middle eastern problems and spreading the negativity all over this great country.  Thanks, Jews.  Thanks, Islam.

Once there was a Danish cartoonist who got a Fatwa.
Then there was a French cartoon that so offended Muslims that 17 of the cartoonists were killed.
Then there was a Pamela Geller who was associated with a "Draw the Jihader" contest.
Then there were a couple Muslim gunmen who didn't succeed with their little Allah Akbar.
Then there were people criticizing Geller.

Really?  This is confusing cause and effect, isn't it?  When you criticize Geller you ignore the chain of causality completely.

Geller's actions were a REACTION against violent jihad.

You could argue that jihad is a reaction against western (and Israel's) foreign policies towards oil rich countries in the middle east (not that it can used for justify nutcases like ISIS). Even the former MI5 chief admits the Iraq invasion increased the terrorist threat to the UK.

I don't see the logic behind this. How could jihad be a response to anything the west has done of Shariah has been around for so long?

Well, ultimately the need for jihad dates back to the pagans in Mecca rejecting Muhammed's message. If no one had ever rejected Muhammed's perfect message, then the world would be at peace. (I'm trying to decide if this requires an /s tag.)

NO, you could not.  This is all about cartoons.

Yeah Sharia has been around for hundreds of years, wasn't until the last decade or so that 'jihad' has become so prominent. Not saying western intervention created it but it's certainly been a catalyst. Some of the leaders of ISIS were tortured in Abu Ghraib so I can't see how you couldn't come to that sort of conclusion.

I would understand that you were sarcastic just because I've seen your posts and know your beliefs about the topic (your image/sig/description help too). But hey, If somehow I thought that you were a Muslim, what you said would sound pretty realistic.

https://i.imgur.com/B4oEjlj.png?1
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

I know that some Muslims call their religion the religion of peace, but haven't heard of them doing anything to prevent violence within the religion.

Back when the taliban was fighting the soviets is when lot's of these guys were given american weaponry and it's been a revolving door ever since. Give them the tools and then occupy their sacred areas and before ya know it they go on offense against you. It's a great tool for the military industrial complex to keep the money flowing as well as the trial and error for developing newer and advanced weapons.

It makes sense that the Americans wouldn't want to directly fight the Soviets in Afghanistan, especially after Vietnam went so badly.

Too bad after the Soviets were kicked out of Afghanistan, the U.S. didn't propose a brief alliance with the Soviets for both of them to nuke the shit out of Afghanistan. It would've prevented a lot of problems.

What's pathetic (but forgivable) is that you are unwilling to even consider the notion that any Jewish person could ever do anything wrong. Yes, jihadists exist and "do in fact find their justifications in Islamic texts and beliefs" -- DUH! Nobody is trying to silence you or other Jewish supremacists. You're making society dangerous for everyone, not only jihadists, with your absurd ultra-extremist hatred for all things islamic and non-jewish. Let my try to get through to the REAL YOU: Liberate yourself from the mental prison of ideology you have created for yourself, and become a human being once again, my brother. Here's one very effective way to do that - just listen to this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T11cWm4VRNg

That site is created for sole intention of making Islam bad. It has many, better to say almost all, biased and disinformation*. That site avoid grammars to conclude Islam is violence. It also has false stories.

* Not misinformation.

Killing Islam is worship that draws Muslims closer to God.

:)

You missed "according to you".

Well, that's understood for all of us. If the truth were easy, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

:)

Is this correct?

I've seen no evidence that JJ Phillips was a "Jewish supremacist" (whatever that is...)

That is too funny. I'm going to have it printed on a t-shirt. It's no more odd than my "nuke the whales" t-shirt.

Then move to Israel. But have yourself videoed while you are wearing it there.    ;D

Oh, I don't know about that.  Right on the front is a picture of some of your religion finishing off a guy accused of homosexual acts.  Doesn't look like any kind of disinformation, does it?

And the running lists of terrorist acts is quite useful.

2015.05.10 (Kumanovo, Macedonia) - Muslim terrorists wage a running battle with police, killing at least eight.
2015.05.10 (Kabul, Afghanistan) - A suicide bomber kills three riders on a bus.
2015.05.09 (Nazimabad, Pakistan) - Sectarian Jihadis gun down a homeopathic doctor for being Shiite.
2015.05.08 (Galkayo, Somalia) - Religious extremists shoot an 'apostate' to death.
2015.05.08 (Matembo, DRC) - Islamists hack seven villagers to death with machetes, including two women.
2015.05.08 (Balad Ruz, Iraq) - A Sunni suicide bomber massacres eighteen worshippers as they are leaving a Shiite mosque.

I wouldn't hang out in Israel if I had a armored car.

https://i.imgur.com/6cNusUf.jpg

You have read my posts and concluded that I am "unwilling to even consider the notion of any Jewish person could ever do anything wrong" and that I am a "Jewish supremacist". This is an indication that you are the one mentally imprisoned. You're imposing your own prejudices on my posts.

I'm obviously not a "Jewish supremacist." (If I were, I'd probably convert to Judaism.)

I gave an example earlier of a Jew who has recently done something wrong. His name is Charles Moerdler. I even created an "ad" based on the "My Jihad" campaign. ("My Jihad" in German is "Mein Kampf" -- as was noted on the thread earlier.)


People are not only trying to silence critics of Jihad and Islam, they are succeeding. Charles Moerdler is a Jew who is using his position to silence critics of Jihad. There are many parts of the world where criticism of Islam is illegal as a form of "hate speech" -- including here in Canada. Even where it is not illegal, everyone knows that speaking openly about Islam or Jihad can get you killed by Jihadis.

So when you said


... you were lying. And you knew you were lying. You were lying with a purpose.

bit like holocaust denial laws

By the way, I'm not in favor of laws against Holocaust denial. I would choose not to associate with a Holocaust denier, but legal sanctions against it are both ridiculous and counterproductive.

I'm not aware of anyone being killed for denying the Holocaust, but there may be some cases. saddampbuh might be able to point us to some, as he probably follows the Holocaust denial community much more closely than I do.

While we're on the subject of oppressed Jew haters, did someone force David Duke to get really bad plastic surgery and then grow a big white (yes, David Duke is now whiter!) beard to try to cover it up?

The Jews haven't exactly been perfect little angels.



http://i.ytimg.com/vi/xCPF3mSloBk/maxresdefault.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/FVZeidE.jpg

http://40.media.tumblr.com/9fa2e1dfdb27b90deea363b427728ead/tumblr_nasthkHcyU1stkx6ro1_1280.jpg

Palestinians love pictures of their kids dead. The two main reasons they have kids are to (1) kill Jews and (2) make nice bloody pictures when Israel retaliates.

Here's my favorite picture of a Palestinian. It's Haj Mohammed Effendi Amin el-Husseini meeting with his favorite WW2 ally.

"Free speech" can lead to many results you wouldn't expect. The people paying for these ads should consider a different approach, imo.

check out the jewish defence league. they attempted to kill ernst zundel and made threats against jewish revisionist david cole's family so he went into hiding as david stein for 20 years and only recently resurfaced. they have successfully carried out murders on american soil but not sure if any are related to holocaust revisionism.

Don't worry. The ads are banned in NYC. Because free speech.

Thanks for the pointer. I'll look into them. In the meantime, enjoy my modification of the snake picture you posted previously.


What lies? Well, the main lie David Duke tells is that he is white. It's now clear when one contrasts the color of his truly white beard with his suspiciously dark skin, David Duke is of mongrel blood. This is clear even after the treatment he underwent to make his facial features look more whitey.

Palestinians don't love their children but have them as cannon fodder? That's pretty hardcore dude.

You're going back 75 years for that picture. Countries have completely evolved into something else in that amount of time. 75 years ago black people couldn't drink from "whites only" water fountains in the USA and now there's a black president.

Are you implying that Israel and Mossad have done no wrong? There's a body of evidence against that theory.


http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/Elliott_Erwitt_Segregated_Water_Fountains_North_Carolina_1255_67.jpg

People who are anti-Israel only tell one side of the story. I'm making sure someone occasionally points out part of the other side.

I don't think Palestinians have evolved significantly since they allied with Hitler. If anything, the Jew hatred is more open and more intense than it was back then. If you want something more recent I could point to a Palestinian politician with the nickname "Hitler". I first heard of him when he ran in an election with that nickname in 2006, and won (of course). Apparently he's still around.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/12/palestinians-cheer-local-hitler-we-are-all-hitler-we-are-with-you-even-to-death/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/12/palestinians-cheer-local-hitler-we-are-all-hitler-we-are-with-you-even-to-death/)

And that's Fatah, the "moderates."

And why should Palestinians believe or behave less like Nazis? The world doesn't seem to mind.

I'm not pro either side. I think they're both equally guilty of horrible crimes against humanity. I don't agree with supporting one side with aid and not the other. We should supply both sides with nuclear weapons. In 40-50 years we could go in and reclaim the land to use as a storage dump for nuclear reactor and nuclear medicine spent fuel rods. LOL

You mean the U.S.? Eh, like with most conflicts, the U.S. does support both sides. Obviously the U.S. gives support to Israel, but the Palestinians get a shitload of aid from the world. I expect a great deal of that money can be traced back to the U.S., either directly or through international agencies or through third party countries that get direct aid from the U.S.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_Palestinians

BUT! BUT....  The US is GREAT SATAN!

We must not talk about money US gives to Palestinians.  Only talk about they SUPPORT ISRAEL!

The USA is far from perfect. Yet, it is the USA that keeps the world free. How? It works like this.

In the basic USA document, the Constitution (actually the Bill of Rights), Americans are free to own guns.

In a few States of the USA, like Arizona, people can carry guns out in the open, or concealed, without a permit.

This scares the people who are trying to take over the world. They want to take over the world peacefully so that the people can be put to work as slaves. But they are afraid of a bloody fight if they try to take American guns away, a fight that would not help them.

To keep things looking good, world conquerors haven't made slaves of many of the other countries that they could, because these countries do not have guns to fight back. If they did, Americans would see that it was guns that were keeping them free, and they would fight all the harder to keep their guns.

When the world conquerors give peace to much of the world, it is to trick Americans into giving up their guns. They hope to show Americans that guns are not necessary for peace.

Thankfully, Americans know better, and they are increasing their personal numbers of guns and ammo.

America is keeping the world free this way.

:)

Given the strength you claim the Jews have on the internet (like an octopus with the world in its grasp), it's a little surprising there isn't some sneaky Jew Zioagent on this thread, right? Threads like this draw out people like you who hate Jews, so it seems like a good target for those who want to fight Jew hatred, counter support for terrorism, promote knowledge and advocate for Israel.

Or maybe there is such an agent. Someone who's pretending to hate Jews on the thread to engender trust on bitcointalk while at the same time slipping subliminal Jew supporting (Jewporting?) suggestions into his overtly Jew hating posts. If you want to find the Jewgent on the thread, try to think more sneakily.

Indeed.  The sneaky Jew would invade a forum posing as a vile, hateful Muslim Arab Palestinian who likes Hitler, such as would make everyone be disgusted with the Muslim.

WAIT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING! lol....

I'm not jewish, but Israel is surrounded on 1 side by water, and the other 3 sides by countries that want to push them into it.    I would probably feel the same way if I couldn't go out on any given day and worry about suicide bombers and such.

J. J. Phillips,

Was Herzl a self-hating Jew?

Was Jabotinsky a self-hating Jew?

Was Trotsky a self-hating Jew?

Was Golda Meir a self-hating Jew?

Was Rabin a self-hating Jew?

Was Sharon a self-hating Jew?

Is Netanyahoo a self-hating Jew?

Is Chomsky a self-hating Jew?

Just wondering what it looks like from such a dark perspective.




So you're saying that if I move into your house and kick you and your family out, eventually, by 67 years later, it's ok? Is it possible that you're being lied to by the mainstream media?

egypt and jordan are american clients and syria can barely be considered a country anymore

israel has nuclear armed submarines meaning even if those arabs and their out of date weaponry were by some miracle able to destroy the country they would themselves be wiped out in return. there is absolutely no threat to israel's existence. there are a handful of resistance fighters who maybe kill a couple of israelis in a year if they're lucky but no existential threat.

the only possible risk to israel's survival is that it keeps up the settlement bullshit and becomes subject to western sanctions and gets forced into a single state solution with the palestinians.

There is only one Arab state, which is capable of putting up a decent fight against the Israelis. It is Saudi Arabia. The sheikhs have been spending tens of billions of USD for modern weaponry and armed forces training for the past many years. But even now, the Saudi Armed Forces are not up to the mark, to fight an enemy like Israel. The other countries, such as Syria and Yemen are incapable of putting any resistance at all to Israel.

This whole thing is really a fight over land. Originally, God gave Israel certain land, west of the Jordan River. If Israel moves to take more land, it is not the Israel of God, and should be pushed back. On the other hand, nobody should seek to take land that God gave to Israel. In past times, God wouldn't let Israel take land that was not theirs, west of the Jordan River.

If we used this as our guide, we could see who was doing right and wrong against whom.

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what bible are you reading because mine says euphrates not jordan

No, it's the whole world, because God told Abraham that all the nations of the earth would be blessed through him.

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Don't worry about it. BADecker just makes up religious shit as needed to support his arguments.

How about Pakistan, created in 1948 and many, many people displaced?

How come we are not hearing about that?

Only this ridiculous Jew hate stuff.

I can't imagine a world without Jews. I would be miserable if I couldn't re-watch Blazing Saddles from time to time.

http://www.dvdsreleasedates.com/covers/blazing-saddles-40th-anniversary-blu-ray-cover-81.jpg

"We"? YOU are not hearing about that, because the Jewish-controlled media from which you receive your information about the world has no interest in "informing" you about that. So you're hearing it from "ridiculous Jew haters" who point out to you how much of a slave to control agendas (Jewish and not) you have allowed yourself to become. You'd also hear quite a bit about it if you lived in, say, Kashmir.

There were fucking jews in BS (Blazing Saddles?)?  I don't remember that.  

Have to get back to basics here and watch it again.

Okay, I'm an idiot.

blazing saddles jewish indians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsj4s9z-EAE

LOL The writer, director and actor in Blazing Saddles is Mel Brooks. He's a Jew. A really, really funny Jew.