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Title: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Atrides on June 12, 2015, 06:59:40 PM
I start this topic for discussion related to FreeBazaar.

FreeBazaar is fork of OpenBazaar with Monero (XMR) support

GitHub: https://github.com/freebazaar/FreeBazaar/

What done up to date:
- XMR integration
- Payments with payment_id
- fixes of some bugs in OB
- communication with Monero daemon.

What To-Do:
- delete multisig escrow from process
- work with OB-dev team to integrate XMR into main project, if possible convince to make the code BTC-independence (currently BTC is very hardcoded). Contacted with Sam Patterson from OB.

From my side was mistake that I have closed group where posted updates. From now I will make it here.

OpenBazaar raized 1M$ from investors. So I think they will speed up with development process. I follow all commits, and I fix they for right work with monero.



Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: QuantumQrack on June 12, 2015, 07:36:16 PM
So this project is to integrate XMR with OpenBazaar, correct?  Or is it to fork OpenBazaar to a completely separate codebase that supports XMR?


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Atrides on June 12, 2015, 07:42:30 PM
So this project is to integrate XMR with OpenBazaar, correct?  Or is it to fork OpenBazaar to a completely separate codebase that supports XMR?

At first stage just integrate XMR into OpenBazaar as fork "FreeBazaar".
On the second if it possible, commit all into OpenBazaar. If not (because BTC is very hardcoded, OB-dev may decline it) then it will be parallel/separate XMR-Bazaar.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: QuantumQrack on June 12, 2015, 07:46:58 PM
Well, thank you for your work on this project and I wish you the best of success!  By the way, you may want to post a donation address (maybe escrow type, I'm not sure), and remember, community need regular update, even if just to say, "Hi, still working on it".  ;D


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: MR1 on June 12, 2015, 07:56:50 PM
@Atrides

What do you mean by "delete escrow from process" ?  XMR based OB will not have escrow service?


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: medusa13 on June 12, 2015, 08:02:05 PM
monero can not perform multisig until now. but research is done in this direction and its on the list somewhere i guess.

however, escrow is possible without multisig, but need a trusted party


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Atrides on June 12, 2015, 08:13:59 PM
monero can not perform multisig until now. but research is done in this direction and its on the list somewhere i guess.

however, escrow is possible without multisig, but need a trusted party

right, I forgot to add "multisig"


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: pa on June 12, 2015, 08:29:00 PM
Good to hear you are still working on this project. If you succeed, it will be an important addition to Monero's economy.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: jdebunt on June 13, 2015, 06:15:35 AM
Hope this project succeeds, always good to see more development :)


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: superresistant on June 13, 2015, 08:14:56 AM
 
Now that OpenBazar is hyped in the crypto press. You could possibly get more funding for the FreeBazaar fork.
Using Monero instead of Bitcoin is a far superior solution.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: 6strings on June 17, 2015, 05:19:53 PM
Best of luck with this.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Atrides on June 18, 2015, 09:07:36 AM
Donation Address?

Code:
45jWVQzoyRdH8bd8CA66yBHYQ4ZXmfw81KCr1PdbzcDJND65L5sFzFmN5ty1tzhk3EPHnUfLqB8SpLfPRQAnNnaB1x958c9

And if you donate, please send me PM, I'll add you to donators list, or you can donate anonymous


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Hueristic on June 18, 2015, 05:04:23 PM
Donation Address?

Code:
45jWVQzoyRdH8bd8CA66yBHYQ4ZXmfw81KCr1PdbzcDJND65L5sFzFmN5ty1tzhk3EPHnUfLqB8SpLfPRQAnNnaB1x958c9

And if you donate, please send me PM, I'll add you to donators list, or you can donate anonymous


Just wonder, how much time have you actually spent on this project?


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Mountain Jew on June 18, 2015, 07:20:28 PM
I'd really like to see one of these decentralised markets that allows the possibility to accept many different alt coins. Maybe people might have a use for all those cannabis coins then  ;D. Can't wait for these type of markets to become the norm.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: wpalczynski on June 27, 2015, 05:46:14 PM
Any updates on this Atrides?  When do you expect to have something useable online?


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Atrides on June 28, 2015, 07:47:16 PM
Any updates on this Atrides?  When do you expect to have something useable online?
It will be very usefull if somebody can download the code and post me issues.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: benthach on June 28, 2015, 08:15:18 PM
stealthcoin people already think way ahead of monero about fork openbazaar but their side seem pretty quite lately


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: binaryFate on July 08, 2015, 11:01:39 PM
The current state of affairs with Atrides' OpenBazaar community-funded project.

I am one of the donator to Atrides, who proposed to integrate Monero into OpenBazaar a while back:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg9994963#msg9994963

Being now pretty disapointed with how things well, I want to post about it publicly, and ask for a partial refund of the donations I gave.
Here is a (redacted for names only) transcript of the private group of donators, where he was supposed to let us know what was going on.

Code:
== Wed, Jan 14 ==

Atrides: So here short squeeze of thoughts about payments within FreeBazaar to discuss:
Payments: 1) Direct Payments 2) Payment via Escrow
Escrow: Free multiple choice of options, determined per-transaction:
- simple BTC/XMR escrow (for XMR without miltisig)
- To reduce exchange rate risk USD-stabilized escrow (with convert on exchanges/Nubits/BitUSD/use Bitreserve. That will be explained by Escrow-service. Payments in any currency(BTC/USD) for both seller and buyer.


== Thu, Jan 15 ==
Atrides: I take some time to learn the code and set steps priorities for actual to do. I will inform you next days


== Wed, Jan 21 ==
binaryFate: How is it going? Once you get more familiar with the code base, can you give us a general estimate of the time needed for each further step?
Atrides: Hi guys, I'll offer details this weekend


== Tue, Jan 27 ==
Atrides: Hi guys, I have readed docs and code.
So see one problem - core team of OpenBazaar works very slow. Last commit in dev-repo was two weeks ago. A lot of pull requests with ready code are pinding since october...bad. So I think our commits will be delayed for a long time. Without integration into OpenBazaar we can make it quicker, but within we have already prepared publicity, recognition.


== Wed, Jan 28 ==
binaryFate: I guess you can just work on a branch and keep going even if they don't merge changes back quickly


== Thu, Feb 5 ==
binaryFate: Is anything happening? Are you working on it or not at the moment?


== Sat, Feb 7 ==
Atrides: Hi, yes, I'm working. sadly I cannot work full time because I have collected less, so I must take other projects too


== Sun, Feb 15 ==
Atrides: I'm mostly working on some projects at the same time. bazaar is very important to me, but at the moment is not a priority. I promized to finished, and I will do that, sorry I cann't say on what days exactly I can work. last two weeks I was extremly busy, with no chance to do something else. Your money are not moved from my wallet I didn't sell them and won't do this till monero will rise many times because of bazaar. Next days I push some of commits to github what already done.


== Tue, Feb 17 ==
Atrides: First initial commit, added monero as alternative coin, other commits during this week after tests

   
== Tue, Mar 3 ==
REDACTED: How is progress? Any new commits?
Atrides: Yes, two days ago, some commits. This week I'll do the rest.


== Wed, Mar 11 ==
Atrides: I have asked developers of OpenBazaar that our patches may be implemented. In original OB Bitcoin is hardcoded overall.


== Wed, Mar 18 ==
Atrides: Hm...still no answer from Devs
Atrides: I pushed new commit. Communications with local monero Wallet and directly payment


== Sun, Mar 29 ==
Atrides: Good(?) news from dev of OpenBazaar, they can implement other coins if external dev make patches.


== Tue, Apr 7 ==
binaryFate:
1) What is the state of the Monero freebazar branch? Is it fully functional? If not, what is missing and what is the ETA for it?
2) Why not release the Monero freebazar code even if it's not merged mainstream by official openbazaar devs? If it's working let's release it, merge can come later.

== Wed, Apr 8 ==
Atrides:
1) Not fully functional because of problems in OB code and development of OB is very slooow. Also I will publish the full report of the state and problems, and ask which way we should go.
2) Hm, I have official repository with all my commits: https://github.com/freebazaar/FreeBazaar I push commits only for good code, the development version on my dev-pc is unusable. Next days I'll push new commits.

== Thu, Apr 9 ==
binaryFate: You should give a public detailed update on (i) what was done and (ii) what are the 'problems in OB code' you mention.
I advise you to do it very soon, because many people are starting to question the way this little project is going as compared with the donations received.

Atrides: Yes, I plan to release next week the big report, after my last commit. The report needs some time, I want to describe problems, done work and future ways.
Currently don't have time to read the forum.

binaryFate: Great, looking forward to the report.

== Mon, Apr 13 ==
binaryFate: Next week I'll meet Dionysis, one of the core dev of OpenBazaar, in real life. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help integration when meeting him.
In two weeks actually, got confused.

Atrides: Really great news! I'll try to finish the my part of work, if it will be possible to integrate, that's great. Currently OB is very hardcoded for BTC only.

== Sat, Apr 25 ==
Atrides: OB is now beta4, I must merge FreeBazaar and new version.
I have merged OpenBazaar Beta4 and fixed conflicts

== Wed, May 6 ==
REDACTED: Nice to see your progress. Thanks for posting updates.


As you can see from the transcript of the "conversation", Atrides claimed to be significantly in touch with openbazaar people. (That is partly what he got the donations for, coding and interacting with them towards integration).

End of April, I met Dionysis Zindros (https://blog.openbazaar.org/author/dionyziz/), one of the lead developers of OpenBazaar. He didn't know about Atrides; he didn't know about Monero alltogether.

The actual work that was done does not justify the donations received at all. I know that getting familiar with a foreign code base takes time, but still. I did my best to give him a chance, and on behalf of the community to push him gently to move forward. The lack of activity since a month, the latest promise to come back to the community "next week" which was two months ago... I have no patience left.
Atrides, I publickly ask you to refund me half of the donations I gave, in which case things will be all good for me (you did a bit of work). Otherwise I will consider that you are dishonest.

You can send half of the XMR I donated to this address.
Code:
45D2ipTSwN9cNijro1kpw5SwQZmVxFinZdNNcPVpvrgfWvbm4xVmhNfbwy5VcisRkMj2cB4K8jGsjE5zRTcQ53mNJn81tbf
You can also send it to the core team donation address, if they confirm reception, that will be fine for me.


So, what exactly happened since this post, Atrides?
One more wasted month?


Where are my XMRs? I gently asked only half, but I won't forget them.



Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Atrides on July 10, 2015, 11:07:07 AM
I don't stop the project and still working, but especially for you I made your request.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: binaryFate on July 10, 2015, 11:48:31 AM
I don't stop the project and still working, but especially for you I made your request.

Thank you.

EDIT: I confirm I received it.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: pa on July 10, 2015, 06:29:13 PM
Atrides,
Now that you've had a chance familiarize yourself with OpenBazaar, can you describe what needs to be done to make it compatible with XMR and estimate how long it would take to do it? Also, what are the obstacles to completing the project as you initially proposed. Are there technical difficulties? Do you need help?
Best,
pa


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: superresistant on July 16, 2015, 09:25:22 AM
Atrides,
Now that you've had a chance familiarize yourself with OpenBazaar, can you describe what needs to be done to make it compatible with XMR and estimate how long it would take to do it? Also, what are the obstacles to completing the project as you initially proposed. Are there technical difficulties? Do you need help?
Best,
pa

bump for Atrides to see


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: MR1 on July 16, 2015, 10:17:03 AM
stealthcoin people already think way ahead of monero about fork openbazaar but their side seem pretty quite lately

StealthCoin/StealthSend based Openbazaar will be more trustless and thus more anonymous.

As far as Monero does not have multisig feature, StealthCoin can develop multisig feature. This means that StealthCoin can be used in 2 party (trustless) escrow. 


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: shitaifan2013 on July 16, 2015, 11:02:34 AM
stealthcoin people already think way ahead of monero about fork openbazaar but their side seem pretty quite lately

StealthCoin/StealthSend based Openbazaar will be more trustless and thus more anonymous.

As far as Monero does not have multisig feature, StealthCoin can develop multisig feature. This means that StealthCoin can be used in 2 party (trustless) escrow.  

 ;D lots of uninformed shilling in this board today.

on topic: I doubt we'll ever see any real results or prompt repsonses by atrides. not sure if he can already be considered scammer, but I wouldnt be surprised, if we never hear from him again.

I remember that there was also more than one complain about the payout of his xmr-pool.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: TrueCryptonaire on July 16, 2015, 03:18:36 PM
I'd really like to see one of these decentralised markets that allows the possibility to accept many different alt coins. Maybe people might have a use for all those cannabis coins then  ;D. Can't wait for these type of markets to become the norm.

You do not need any other coin but Monero.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: DaveyJones on July 17, 2015, 03:44:54 AM
He maybe not the one most talky.... but hey he opened this thread when he already could have gone away


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: binaryFate on July 17, 2015, 10:06:44 AM
He maybe not the one most talky.... but hey he opened this thread when he already could have gone away

He opened this thread 1h after I posted this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg11601988#msg11601988
And he shouldn't go away because he has a well-known mining pool running, that keeps generating money. This might be a good reason to drag everything for as long as people have patience... (not saying this is what he does, just that the incentive exists).
Now I got refunded what I asked (50% of my donations), and this is none of my business anymore. But folks, my advise: having more patience than me and being delusional are two different things.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: shitaifan2013 on July 21, 2015, 08:26:23 AM
so, any news atrides?

at least openbazaar is developing quite fine: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3e1aeb/openbazaar_and_ob1_to_launch_by_thanksgiving_2015/


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Atrides on July 21, 2015, 04:14:56 PM
Atrides,
Now that you've had a chance familiarize yourself with OpenBazaar, can you describe what needs to be done to make it compatible with XMR and estimate how long it would take to do it? Also, what are the obstacles to completing the project as you initially proposed. Are there technical difficulties? Do you need help?
Best,
pa

so, any news atrides?

at least openbazaar is developing quite fine: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3e1aeb/openbazaar_and_ob1_to_launch_by_thanksgiving_2015/

I will answer together. Yes, I'm still working on it.
The main problem in OB is hardcoded bitcoin integration. If they will make it a little expansible, it will be great. But currently state of OB - extremely closed to BTC.
My patches integrate XMR support, but it looks like "side/non-main coin".
If OB don't want to separate coin-code and market-code, then we have only two ways:
1) keep FB and always update it with OB patches. May be they will accept our patches, but I'm sceptical due to hardcoded BTC.
2) separate branches and have completely own way.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: smoothie on October 05, 2015, 05:58:49 AM
2.5 months later...

any updates?


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: newb4now on October 08, 2015, 03:08:44 AM
2.5 months later...

any updates?

Once upon a time this was an exciting project to watch develop


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: dEBRUYNE on October 10, 2015, 09:16:44 PM
So with the alledged OpenBazaar release coming up, it would be a good time to provide us with your curren thought regarding the project. If you are not going forward with it, I suggest you just donate the remaining funds to the dev fund or ask your donators what they would want you to do with it.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: tokeweed on October 10, 2015, 11:35:53 PM
Maybe a better implementation is Bitmarkets' idea.

https://voluntary.net/bitmarkets/

https://i.imgur.com/1kcgC8H.png

https://voluntary.net/bitmarkets/slides/Bitmarkets.pdf



Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Atrides on October 17, 2015, 12:19:05 PM
So with the alledged OpenBazaar release coming up, it would be a good time to provide us with your curren thought regarding the project. If you are not going forward with it, I suggest you just donate the remaining funds to the dev fund or ask your donators what they would want you to do with it.

Yes, they will be ready soon, and during current work OB-devs changed a lot. What breaks my code permanently.
Therefore I'll release a new fork with actually synchronized status in some days after official release.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: newb4now on October 17, 2015, 05:59:18 PM
So with the alledged OpenBazaar release coming up, it would be a good time to provide us with your curren thought regarding the project. If you are not going forward with it, I suggest you just donate the remaining funds to the dev fund or ask your donators what they would want you to do with it.

Yes, they will be ready soon, and during current work OB-devs changed a lot. What breaks my code permanently.
Therefore I'll release a new fork with actually synchronized status in some days after official release.


Are you saying it will only take a few days to complete after they release? You code quickly!


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: binaryFate on October 17, 2015, 06:12:16 PM
So with the alledged OpenBazaar release coming up, it would be a good time to provide us with your curren thought regarding the project. If you are not going forward with it, I suggest you just donate the remaining funds to the dev fund or ask your donators what they would want you to do with it.

Yes, they will be ready soon, and during current work OB-devs changed a lot. What breaks my code permanently.
Therefore I'll release a new fork with actually synchronized status in some days after official release.


Are you saying it will only take a few days to complete after they release? You code quickly!

No he's only saying it will take few days so that what was working before will be working again.
You can call this "completing" if you wish, but you'll be the only one. It was actually fairly little, and that's why it won't take long to (re)adapt it.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: aminorex on October 22, 2015, 01:39:39 AM
tracker dot


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: newb4now on October 22, 2015, 01:45:37 AM
When the happens the visibility of Monero will improve significantly.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: bobabouey2 on January 05, 2016, 10:36:59 PM
Is this project still alive?


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Atrides on February 02, 2016, 09:26:08 AM
Is this project still alive?

Yes, but the code of OpenBazaar v2.0 is completely different from v1.0 and changed continuously before release.
So I'll releaze FreeBazaar (XMR-Version) after official release of OB.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: TPTB_need_war on February 02, 2016, 11:41:46 AM
So this project is to integrate XMR with OpenBazaar, correct?  Or is it to fork OpenBazaar to a completely separate codebase that supports XMR?

At first stage just integrate XMR into OpenBazaar as fork "FreeBazaar".
On the second if it possible, commit all into OpenBazaar. If not (because BTC is very hardcoded, OB-dev may decline it) then it will be parallel/separate XMR-Bazaar.

I suggest you make your fork have an API so it works with any crypto coin. Then if they don't accept your commits, then yours may likely become the dominant fork, assuming you have the resources and skills to carry it forward.

Whereas, if you make your code Monero only focused, then it has no wider-scale attractiveness to gain the political support you need.

Edit: it also potentially spreads your risk of wasted effort away from 100% dependence on any one outcome.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: languagehasmeaning on February 02, 2016, 12:24:10 PM
So this project is to integrate XMR with OpenBazaar, correct?  Or is it to fork OpenBazaar to a completely separate codebase that supports XMR?

At first stage just integrate XMR into OpenBazaar as fork "FreeBazaar".
On the second if it possible, commit all into OpenBazaar. If not (because BTC is very hardcoded, OB-dev may decline it) then it will be parallel/separate XMR-Bazaar.

I suggest you make your fork have an API so it works with any crypto coin. Then if they don't accept your commits, then yours may likely become the dominant fork, assuming you have the resources and skills to carry it forward.

Whereas, if you make your code Monero only focused, then it has no wider-scale attractiveness to gain the political support you need.

This may be a good idea and clearly worthy of some debate! Thanks TBTB


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: BellaBitBit on February 02, 2016, 05:23:54 PM
Is this project still alive?

Yes, but the code of OpenBazaar v2.0 is completely different from v1.0 and changed continuously before release.
So I'll releaze FreeBazaar (XMR-Version) after official release of OB.

I don't understand what the difference will be?  Do you have any idea when OB will open?


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: DaveyJones on February 02, 2016, 11:18:45 PM
So this project is to integrate XMR with OpenBazaar, correct?  Or is it to fork OpenBazaar to a completely separate codebase that supports XMR?

At first stage just integrate XMR into OpenBazaar as fork "FreeBazaar".
On the second if it possible, commit all into OpenBazaar. If not (because BTC is very hardcoded, OB-dev may decline it) then it will be parallel/separate XMR-Bazaar.

I suggest you make your fork have an API so it works with any crypto coin. Then if they don't accept your commits, then yours may likely become the dominant fork, assuming you have the resources and skills to carry it forward.

Whereas, if you make your code Monero only focused, then it has no wider-scale attractiveness to gain the political support you need.

Edit: it also potentially spreads your risk of wasted effort away from 100% dependence on any one outcome.

I highlighted the important part for you... is it still effort if some people paid for it?


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: TPTB_need_war on February 03, 2016, 07:32:10 AM
So this project is to integrate XMR with OpenBazaar, correct?  Or is it to fork OpenBazaar to a completely separate codebase that supports XMR?

At first stage just integrate XMR into OpenBazaar as fork "FreeBazaar".
On the second if it possible, commit all into OpenBazaar. If not (because BTC is very hardcoded, OB-dev may decline it) then it will be parallel/separate XMR-Bazaar.

I suggest you make your fork have an API so it works with any crypto coin. Then if they don't accept your commits, then yours may likely become the dominant fork, assuming you have the resources and skills to carry it forward.

Whereas, if you make your code Monero only focused, then it has no wider-scale attractiveness to gain the political support you need.

Edit: it also potentially spreads your risk of wasted effort away from 100% dependence on any one outcome.

I highlighted the important part for you... is it still effort if some people paid for it?

I rarely value my opportunity cost in $2000 or even $20,000 increments, unless it has come down to survival mode (and even then I in the past ate rice & salt so I could continue coding what I wanted to code). Whether I am delusional or not, I view my opportunity cost as $200,000, $2m, $20m increments and moreover that money is not my main goal (although I do need some).

I am paradigmatically and ideologically opposed to expending my finite life on closed paradigms. My goal is to change the world.

I always hating working for someone else. Even I had the best job at Fractal Design in 1993 & 1995, it just isn't me.

And that is why now I am working on the artist economy.

I can't speak for the priorities of others.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: mathgal23 on February 03, 2016, 07:49:21 AM
So this project is to integrate XMR with OpenBazaar, correct?  Or is it to fork OpenBazaar to a completely separate codebase that supports XMR?

At first stage just integrate XMR into OpenBazaar as fork "FreeBazaar".
On the second if it possible, commit all into OpenBazaar. If not (because BTC is very hardcoded, OB-dev may decline it) then it will be parallel/separate XMR-Bazaar.

I suggest you make your fork have an API so it works with any crypto coin. Then if they don't accept your commits, then yours may likely become the dominant fork, assuming you have the resources and skills to carry it forward.

Whereas, if you make your code Monero only focused, then it has no wider-scale attractiveness to gain the political support you need.

Edit: it also potentially spreads your risk of wasted effort away from 100% dependence on any one outcome.

I highlighted the important part for you... is it still effort if some people paid for it?

I rarely value my opportunity cost in $2000 or even $20,000 increments, unless it has come down to survival mode (and even then I in the past ate rice & salt so I could continue coding what I wanted to code). Whether I am delusional or not, I view my opportunity cost as $200,000, $2m, $20m increments and moreover that money is not my main goal (although I do need some).

I am paradigmatically and ideologically opposed to expending my finite life on closed paradigms. My goal is to change the world.

I always hating working for someone else. Even I had the best job at Fractal Design in 1993 & 1995, it just isn't me.

And that is why now I am working on the artist economy.

I can't speak for the priorities of others.

How would you view the potential of OpenBazaar? I think its potential is very large but so will be the competition.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: TPTB_need_war on February 03, 2016, 01:23:06 PM
So this project is to integrate XMR with OpenBazaar, correct?  Or is it to fork OpenBazaar to a completely separate codebase that supports XMR?

At first stage just integrate XMR into OpenBazaar as fork "FreeBazaar".
On the second if it possible, commit all into OpenBazaar. If not (because BTC is very hardcoded, OB-dev may decline it) then it will be parallel/separate XMR-Bazaar.

I suggest you make your fork have an API so it works with any crypto coin. Then if they don't accept your commits, then yours may likely become the dominant fork, assuming you have the resources and skills to carry it forward.

Whereas, if you make your code Monero only focused, then it has no wider-scale attractiveness to gain the political support you need.

Edit: it also potentially spreads your risk of wasted effort away from 100% dependence on any one outcome.

I highlighted the important part for you... is it still effort if some people paid for it?

I rarely value my opportunity cost in $2000 or even $20,000 increments, unless it has come down to survival mode (and even then I in the past ate rice & salt so I could continue coding what I wanted to code). Whether I am delusional or not, I view my opportunity cost as $200,000, $2m, $20m increments and moreover that money is not my main goal (although I do need some).

I am paradigmatically and ideologically opposed to expending my finite life on closed paradigms. My goal is to change the world.

I always hating working for someone else. Even I had the best job at Fractal Design in 1993 & 1995, it just isn't me.

And that is why now I am working on the artist economy.

I can't speak for the priorities of others.

How would you view the potential of OpenBazaar? I think its potential is very large but so will be the competition.

I can't speak to the technical design of that project because I haven't studied it and the devil is usually in the details, e.g. see my comments in the Synereo thread about how a great conceptual idea (decentralized social networks) falls flat on its face in terms of implementation and design strategies pursued thus far.

The concept of a decentralized, permissionless Ebay seems to be at least from a superficial perspective, a very important and powerful one. That is why if you want to be a leader for the global community on such then pigeon-holing your effort to only Monero currency support is almost certainly not the winning strategy. If you want to make sure Monero support is in the main fork (and make sure the bindings for Monero work perfectly as that being one of your strong motivations) then I suggest formulating an open API for all currencies and at least also implement bindings to Bitcoin so your commits are more likely accepted in the main fork or your fork becomes the most popular. Any way, that is my 2 cents from the peanut gallery because my head is not deep in that project so I may be unaware of certain facts.

An API for cross-currency support also makes one think about how to make the API most general, which allows for Monero to change in the future and only the bindings need to change. You all know these design principles.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: HeroCat on February 03, 2016, 03:04:49 PM
Well, yes Monero have future. So Free Bazaar can exist, if Monero users are growing.  ;D


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: dEBRUYNE on March 02, 2016, 09:49:31 AM
Is this project still alive?

Yes, but the code of OpenBazaar v2.0 is completely different from v1.0 and changed continuously before release.
So I'll releaze FreeBazaar (XMR-Version) after official release of OB.

Now that Openbazaar is released on testnet, could you take another look at the code?

https://blog.openbazaar.org/openbazaar-released-on-the-testnet/


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: mathgal23 on March 02, 2016, 09:54:10 AM
Is this project still alive?

Yes, but the code of OpenBazaar v2.0 is completely different from v1.0 and changed continuously before release.
So I'll releaze FreeBazaar (XMR-Version) after official release of OB.

Now that Openbazaar is released on testnet, could you take another look at the code?

https://blog.openbazaar.org/openbazaar-released-on-the-testnet/

I hope the answer is yes. This would be great for the Monero economy


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: benthach on March 02, 2016, 02:56:18 PM
Is this project still alive?

Yes, but the code of OpenBazaar v2.0 is completely different from v1.0 and changed continuously before release.
So I'll releaze FreeBazaar (XMR-Version) after official release of OB.

Now that Openbazaar is released on testnet, could you take another look at the code?

https://blog.openbazaar.org/openbazaar-released-on-the-testnet/

this going to make the get rich quick scam ethereium look nothing when more and more people using this openbazaar platform. yes, platform is all the raves about these days.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Snail2 on March 02, 2016, 03:32:45 PM
this going to make the get rich quick scam ethereium look nothing when more and more people using this openbazaar platform. yes, platform is all the raves about these days.

What's the problem with a trading/marketplace platform? This one is at least a p2p stuff, so perhaps we can avoid exchanges (in many cases) in the future.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Shrikez on March 02, 2016, 06:19:32 PM
It would be a big step forward if the OP kept us in the loop about his intentions, seeing we contributed a sizeable number of Moneroj towards its development.

But I guess he is too busy counting his Dwarfpool fees from all the ETH craze.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Atrides on March 14, 2016, 11:30:28 AM
Now that Openbazaar is released on testnet, could you take another look at the code?

https://blog.openbazaar.org/openbazaar-released-on-the-testnet/

Yes, I'll look at the code.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: XMRpromotions on March 14, 2016, 12:55:04 PM
Now that Openbazaar is released on testnet, could you take another look at the code?

https://blog.openbazaar.org/openbazaar-released-on-the-testnet/

Yes, I'll look at the code.

Thank you! It would be great if you could give us an ETA after you do.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: DaveyJones on April 05, 2016, 08:35:07 AM
https://blog.openbazaar.org/openbazaar-is-open-for-business/

looks like it is finished.... any news or ETA atrides?


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Posum578 on April 05, 2016, 09:58:52 AM
Maybe it is wise to wait for the OpenBazaar to be a successful operation before we adopt it in FreeBazaar?


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Dotto on April 08, 2016, 12:18:35 AM
The TPTB design strategie is the sound one. It could receive funds from other coins as well... potentially from all coins in fact.

I guess once OB grows it will accept all kind of coins, as it is the logical way. To be limited to BTC only doesn´t make that sense. In the meantime, shapeshift can be useful


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: papa_lazzarou on April 08, 2016, 11:19:44 AM
Maybe it is wise to wait for the OpenBazaar to be a successful operation before we adopt it in FreeBazaar?

The major problem I see there is what would Atrides do with the several thousand Monero that he received from the community to fund this project?

Disclaimer: I am bitching about it despite the fact that I did NOT contribute.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: eyeknock on April 08, 2016, 11:40:41 AM
What's the problem with a trading/marketplace platform? This one is at least a p2p stuff, so perhaps we can avoid exchanges (in many cases) in the future.

god hear you!! exchanges are like a plague ( in the last times ) if we can avoid it, we will be more safe, i wish that people start to understand and use this type of trading platform, we will avoid lot of current problems, others will come yes, but in the end this p2p stuff must be a welcome software for all of us.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: DaveyJones on April 23, 2016, 05:49:43 PM
Pushing again... Atrides so whats up ?


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: superresistant on April 23, 2016, 07:07:41 PM
 
https://i.imgflip.com/12zuu2.jpg


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Hueristic on April 23, 2016, 11:24:13 PM
Maybe it is wise to wait for the OpenBazaar to be a successful operation before we adopt it in FreeBazaar?

The major problem I see there is what would Atrides do with the several thousand Monero that he received from the community to fund this project?

Disclaimer: I am bitching about it despite the fact that I did NOT contribute.

It looks like he could care less. I'd recommend at least boycotting his pool, and if it was my cash he stole I'd be bringing it up in his pool thread. But like you Papa I ain't got no dog in this fight. :)


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Atrides on April 28, 2016, 07:06:29 PM
As I said, I'll look at the code and adopt my changes that already done for old OB and equal to budget.

I don't need to stole some coins.

If community think that somebody can make it quicker, I can transfer to him the rest of coins after work minus some small amount for my old work.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: dnaleor on June 27, 2016, 11:28:22 PM
If I recall correctly, I donated 100 XMR to you.
I don't blame you for trying, but in retrospect, we should have used the Forum Funding System.
You would have gotten funds for trying to study the code etc, but when you hit some roadblocks funding would have stopped.

Imho you don't deserve 100% of those coins you crowdfunded.
I know I can't force you but if you want me to not feel bad about you, please refund 50% (i.e. 50 XMR) to my openalias address (dnaleor.weuse.cash)

edit: I donated 100 XMR indeed; see: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg10061053#msg10061053


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: entertheabyss on June 28, 2016, 12:07:20 AM
this would be a great project once monero finishes i2p integration
iirc open bazzar mentioned the possibility of running over i2p as well as they use UDP and cant run over tor
however as they are positioned go more and more mainstream i suspect this will be sidelined


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: aminorex on July 08, 2016, 02:39:54 AM
I donated 100 XMR

I did as well, and also would consider it a fair cop if I got back 50 - which I would then double and contribute to an FFS project seeking similar ends.  Is Atrides amenable to such an outcome?


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: dnaleor on July 08, 2016, 12:07:09 PM
I got 50 XMR back when I send him a PM requesting a 50% refund.

I want to publicly state that I'm willing to donate these 50 XMR a FFS Free Bazaar project.



Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: sakinaka on July 08, 2016, 08:16:17 PM
If that was not Monero, maybe I would have like it, but some guys disgusted me of that crypto-currency even before looking into it...


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: smoothie on July 08, 2016, 08:41:36 PM
If that was not Monero, maybe I would have like it, but some guys disgusted me of that crypto-currency even before looking into it...

Using this logic is somewhat flawed.

Just because you don't like someone who uses a particular currency is (to me) not a good enough reason to ignore the technological fundamentals backing such a currency.

Do you not use certain fiat currencies because you dont like a particular political party, politician, person, race, country?

If people didnt want to use Bitcoin because of Mark Karpeles and Mtgox then that would be the equivalent to ignoring the technological fundamentals and looking purely on the surface.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: sakinaka on July 08, 2016, 08:49:13 PM
If that was not Monero, maybe I would have like it, but some guys disgusted me of that crypto-currency even before looking into it...

Using this logic is somewhat flawed.

Just because you don't like someone who uses a particular currency is (to me) not a good enough reason to ignore the technological fundamentals backing such a currency.

Do you not use certain fiat currencies because you dont like a particular political party, politician, person, race, country?

If people didnt want to use Bitcoin because of Mark Karpeles and Mtgox then that would be the equivalent to ignoring the technological fundamentals and looking purely on the surface.

The first contact that I had with this community was very harassing guys, and since many people had the same, I thought that everyone there was like that. I've never saw anyone creating a thread talking about why Monero was so good...


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Febo on July 08, 2016, 09:24:04 PM
I've never saw anyone creating a thread talking about why Monero was so good...

If you want to find you what coins are about i suggest you to read ANN threads.  And just ask what you would like to know.

I started following Monero exactly because community was super helpful on IRC and also here on this forum.

since you're 2 years here is a bit strange to me you hadn't noticed that there are few guys that made lots of accounts and opening threads on this forum claiming how superior Monero is and they are.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Hueristic on July 08, 2016, 10:30:27 PM
I've never saw anyone creating a thread talking about why Monero was so good...

I find this very hard to believe, I see questions always answered promptly and friendly in the main thread (sans the one i'm in now:) ).


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: bbc.reporter on September 04, 2016, 09:38:35 AM

That is funny! ;D

The recent development of Monero and price rise should motivate Atrides to speed things up with Freebazaar. This could be the next frontier for darknet market merchants to sell their items. Maybe running it behind Tor or IPFS might be a good idea.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: dinofelis on September 04, 2016, 10:28:43 AM
Honestly, in as much as I think that a monero version of openbazaar is a very good idea (it would even be better on I2P), as long as monero has no multisig, this is a useless thing in my mind.

The whole point of openbazaar is that you can use multisig escrow.  Otherwise, you can just have your hidden service on TOR or your webpage on I2P, announcing your stuff. 


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: pastapaska on September 04, 2016, 10:52:10 AM
Is bitcoin for OpenBazaar done or just hype? Maybe this FreeBazaar is also hype, target to pump Monero price?   :D


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: pa on September 04, 2016, 12:04:49 PM
Honestly, in as much as I think that a monero version of openbazaar is a very good idea (it would even be better on I2P), as long as monero has no multisig, this is a useless thing in my mind.

The whole point of openbazaar is that you can use multisig escrow.  Otherwise, you can just have your hidden service on TOR or your webpage on I2P, announcing your stuff. 


Multisig is coming soon with RingCT.

BTW, I requested and received a 50% refund of my donation about a month ago.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Munti on September 04, 2016, 03:58:32 PM
Are you guys aware that monero is able to use BitBay's marketplace?
You will need Bay for the double deposit escrow, but payment can be in monero.
If you prefer traditional escrow services, you can do that too. Then you only need enough Bay to cover anti spam fees.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Ayers on September 04, 2016, 04:17:26 PM
Is bitcoin for OpenBazaar done or just hype? Maybe this FreeBazaar is also hype, target to pump Monero price?   :D

i was wondering which one of those bazar is used more this one or the one with bitcoin, buyers feel more confortable paying with something more anonymous maybe?


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: aminorex on September 05, 2016, 04:24:43 AM
Is bitcoin for OpenBazaar done or just hype? Maybe this FreeBazaar is also hype, target to pump Monero price?   :D

i was wondering which one of those bazar is used more this one or the one with bitcoin, buyers feel more confortable paying with something more anonymous maybe?

This one doesn't exist. It is a project with minimal progress, long since stalled.


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: antw081 on April 12, 2017, 02:27:50 PM
As I said, I'll look at the code and adopt my changes that already done for old OB and equal to budget.

I don't need to stole some coins.

If community think that somebody can make it quicker, I can transfer to him the rest of coins after work minus some small amount for my old work.


Atrides, its been 2 years since you raised funds for FreeBazaar. I think it is pretty clear to everyone you are not working on this anymore.

As a donor to this project, may I suggest the funds raised (minus what amount you think is fair for the effort you put in so far) be donated to the general development fund.



Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: boltz on April 12, 2017, 02:39:23 PM
What happened with open bazaar ? Still there ?


Title: Re: FreeBazaar - OpenBazaar with Monero
Post by: Febo on April 12, 2017, 04:43:54 PM
As I said, I'll look at the code and adopt my changes that already done for old OB and equal to budget.

I don't need to stole some coins.

If community think that somebody can make it quicker, I can transfer to him the rest of coins after work minus some small amount for my old work.


Atrides, its been 2 years since you raised funds for FreeBazaar. I think it is pretty clear to everyone you are not working on this anymore.

As a donor to this project, may I suggest the funds raised (minus what amount you think is fair for the effort you put in so far) be donated to the general development fund.



As I read some people gt their donation back.


What happened with open bazaar ? Still there ?

Open bazaar still exist just goggle it. Monero dont have multisignature that is needed on Open bazaar. That will be ready soon.