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Nine people have died in a shooting at a historic African-American church in Charleston in the US state of South Carolina.

City police chief Gregory Mullen described the attack at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church as a "hate crime".

He said eight victims died in the church and another shortly afterwards.

Police later issued surveillance images of the suspect - a white male in his 20s - and a vehicle.

Racial tensions will increase in the United States, as the Non-Hispanic Whites rapidly become a minority in the country. Still it is too early to confirm whether this attack was a racially motivated one or not. It could be some schizophrenic killing his random victims, or some ISIS guy, taking "revenge" against the Unietd States.

Probably will be call a deranged white shooter like the one in Norway that blow up and kill 72 persons!

I know this sad event happened in a church...
but how do you know specifically it was a hate crime?

http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2015/06/18/gunman-kills-9-at-historically-black-church-during-bible-study/


i dislike blacks but this plays into liberal leftists hands, i mean why a church, were there no bloods or crips he could have taken out instead to make his point

If he tries to confront the bloods or crips all alone, then he'll get his ass kicked. These people are having some of the most advanced weapons available in the United States. And from his age, he does not seems to be that experienced in handling the fire-arms. It seems that he just chose some soft target, by attacking a church where most of the devotees were elderly.

Read up on it. He left someone alive so they could report what happened. He 'justified' his actions by saying 'I have to do it. You rape our women and you’re taking over our country. And you have to go.'

He's also pictured wearing apartheid symbols. What a loathsome maggot.

It seems like the shooting was racially motivated. The perpetrator has been identified as Dylann Roof, a 21-year old non-Hispanic White. He has been detained by the cops. According to the witnesses, the gunman told the victims "You rape our women and you're taking over our country". Still it seems a bit strange that 6 out of the 9 killed were female.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/thumb/msid-47724816,width-300,resizemode-4/Dylann-Roof-I.jpg

This looks to me like another case of a nut they scraped up off the street, pumped him full of drugs, wound him up, handed him a loaded gun and dumped him in front of the church. This method is becoming quite a popular tactic to push gun control. Too bad no one in the church was armed, he might have not killed anyone. He certainly would have never been able to shoot 9 people.

Why does every single happening have to be down to 'Them'?

There are plenty of people who are nuts enough without shadowy powers encouraging them.

Did I address "every single happening" or just this instance? The FBI as well as other agencies here in the US have a very long and publicly documented history of finding impoverished feeble minded people, pumping them full of drugs and bad ideas, then giving them the weapons and money they need to commit a violent act so they can justify their own existence as well as create more social pressure for gun confiscation or more unconstitutional anti-terror laws.

You are talking James Bond movie conspiracy, I am talking military tactics that have been in use by various interests since society existed. Sure there are plenty of nuts, but nuts don't just randomly pick racially/religious driven targets that happen to create a perfectly timed political firestorm a few months before an election, and in the midst of riots in several places nation wide consisting mostly of blacks reacting to police violence against them. It is very clear various groups are attempting to initiate a race war in the US using a combination of violence and media. Chastise me all you want for seeing patterns you are willfully ignorant of, it doesn't make you any more correct, or make my observations incorrect just because the perpetrators aren't publicly known.

Some time ago there was a "mass shooting" in my country, a 16 year old disturbed teenager tried to slaughter his classmates and teacher, well, there was no shooting because it may be quite difficult to get a gun, specially if you are 16 years old, he tried though.

Not being able to acquire a gun he then proceeded the "massacre" with 5 kitchen knives, in the end 5 people were injured without severity and no one was killed.

The guy confessed he was motivated by the Columbine and Sandy Hook massacres and the goal was to kill 60 people to set a record.

Still no mass murders/shootings in my country till today.

They were talking about this on the major sports talk station today on the drive time/rush hour show and none of these hosts were calling for gun control, just more focus on mental issues going forward. This is a very influential and popular show in the metro Detroit area yet it's not a standard conservative talk show as it focuses on sports. They even criticized Obama for trying to fit in some gun control talk when the main issues here were prescription drugs and racial hatred. Furthermore, the dad had to have known his son was a racist and a drug user so buying him a gun for his 21st birthday was stupid and potentially a liable against him.

So in short, an insane child couldn't access guns in your comparatively tiny country, therefore gun control works. Cool story bro. Too bad the overall rate of crime and violence percapita is higher in countries where guns are banned.

CHARLESTON SHOOTER WAS ON DRUG LINKED TO VIOLENT OUTBURSTS
Dylann Storm Roof was taking habit-forming drug suboxone

Charleston shooter Dylann Storm Roof was reportedly taking a drug that has been linked with sudden outbursts of violence, fitting the pattern of innumerable other mass shooters who were on or had recently come off pharmaceutical drugs linked to aggression.

According to a CBS News report, earlier this year when cops searched Roof after he was acting suspiciously inside a Bath and Body Works store, they found “orange strips” that Roof told officers was suboxone, a narcotic that is used to treat opiate addiction.

Suboxone is a habit-forming drug that has been connected with sudden outbursts of aggression.

A user on the MD Junction website relates how her husband “became violent, smashing things and threatening me,” after just a few days of coming off suboxone.

Another poster on the Drugs.com website tells the story of how his personality completely changed as a result of taking suboxone.

The individual relates how he became “nasty” and “violent” just weeks into taking the drug, adding that he would “snap” and be mean to people for no reason.

Another poster reveals how his son-in-law “completely changed on suboxone,” and that the drug sent him into “self-destruct mode.”

More...http://www.infowars.com/charleston-shooter-was-on-drug-linked-to-violent-outbursts/ (http://www.infowars.com/charleston-shooter-was-on-drug-linked-to-violent-outbursts/)

PASSERBY SCREAMS LIVE ON CNN: ‘WHITE PEOPLE ARE TERRORISTS,’ OBAMA AN ‘UNCLE TOM’

Thursday while reporting on the tragic aftermath of the mass shooting live from outside the Emanuel AME Church in Charleston Don Lemon was yelled at by a Africa-American woman upset with the coverage.

Right before Lemon is in introduced you can hear the woman off camera shout, “Report the real truth. We are angry. White people are terrorists.”

Once lemon came on the woman went on camera and said several times “Are you angry Don?”

Before they cut away she added, “The President is a puppet. Stop the Lies. He’s an uncle Tom too. President Obama is an Uncle Tom.”

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/06/18/passerby-screams-live-on-cnn-white-people-are-terrorists-obama-an-uncle-tom/ (http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/06/18/passerby-screams-live-on-cnn-white-people-are-terrorists-obama-an-uncle-tom/)

Charleston Shooting: A Closer Look at Alleged Gunman Dylann Roof

Dylann Roof, the alleged gunman authorities say is responsible for killing nine people in a predominantly black Charleston, South Carolina, church Wednesday night, had been “planning something like that for six months,” according to his roommate.

Dalton Tyler, who said he has known Roof for seven months to one year, said he saw the white, 21-year-old suspect just last week.

“He was big into segregation and other stuff,” Tyler said. “He said he wanted to start a civil war. He said he was going to do something like that and then kill himself.”

Tyler said he met Roof, a Lexington, South Carolina native, through a good friend. He also said Roof’s parents, with whom he said the suspect was “on and off,” had previously bought him a gun but never allowed him to take it with him until this past week.

Dylan Roof’s grandfather, Joe Roof, declined to comment to ABC News.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/charleston-shooting-closer-alleged-gunman-dylann-roof/story?id=31865375 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/charleston-shooting-closer-alleged-gunman-dylann-roof/story?id=31865375)

They do know blacks are killing dozens around the country on a daily basis, mainly in the innercity areas? They jump each other, get into lethal situations much more often than any other race, and represent a disproportionate percentage in national crime statistic, both reported and unreported.

The whole fcking world knows this, in and outside of US. No amount of blame shifting, shuck and jiving, or running by your mouth will earn blacks anything other than contempt and derision from the world as long as they act in a racially motivated manner that raises aggression and hostility from majority of human population.

It's a real shame that this shooter went after a peaceful church gathering however. Now, if he could only find a group of hood rats and gangbangers to ambush, that would have been written off as another gang related killing.

Pointless killing.

I wouldn't be surprised, if the authorities are behind this incident. The perpetrator already had a criminal record, and he was an addict of the drug suboxone for many years. That said, he seems to have used the gun, which he received as a present from his father, for his 21st birthday. And according to the cops, they knew that he had active links to the white supremacists for many years.

I'm kinda leaning toward TECSHARE's opinion on this one. It just seems mighty odd to me that Obama didn't waste any time at all making some sort of passive-aggressive dig about gun control. Though I'm not truly surprised. I'm seeing this as more of a false flag type of event to rev up more racism talk and try once again to revive the failed attempts at gun control. I wonder how long it's going to be before the good "Reverend" Sharpton speaks his anti-white hatred?

One thing I find strange is that the whole gun control talk seemed to be aimed primarily at restricting or otherwise making it harder to jump through hoops for those who are willing to do so - i.e. relatively law abiding people who are more likely to face such restrictions and bow to them in the first place. Incidentally, white population is a large percentage of this, along with other law abiding minorities.

On the other hand, why the fck would non-americans and criminals acquire guns legally?

It really does seem like this is a campaign geared specifically against law abiding gun owners by magnifying each instances of 'mass murder' while dozens are mass murdered everyday in american cities by criminal elements, yet no one seem to be talking about them. Weak are left prey to the violent in those environments, yet no righteous gun control advocates dare broach the subject because it would be 'racist/insensitive' or some other sad excuse. At this point, it is increasingly getting to the point where either the government and specifically this president and gun-control crowd is incapable of dealing with real gun threats, or worse purposely ignoring the race based criminality and gun violence in favor of what they apparently believe are softer targets with an unspoken aim of disarming those who they don't like.

The first issue that needs to be addressed before tightening any gun control law is going after the illegal small arms proliferation, one that are playing and spreading completely outside of the law. No amount of tightening gun regulations will keep guns away from those that cause the most damage on a daily basis and kill far more per year than these occasional nutjobs.


It's indeed telling how a drug-induced patsy conspiracy theory actually starts sounding plausible compared to what's coming out of obama's mouth everyday.

There has been no response from "Reverend" Al Sharpton apart from an odd tweet:

https://twitter.com/TheRevAl/status/611397227391647744

Before the suspect (Dylann Roof) was captured, Sharpton was planning to offer a reward for any information on him.

On the other hand, "Reverend" Jesse Jackson has been more vocal:

http://newsone.com/3126930/rev-jesse-jackson-ame-church-massacre-act-of-terrorism/

If these nine people had been white or the shooter had been black this would have been called a 'hate crime'.  How is it less hateful to murder people of your own race?  What a misnomer.

So, the root cause here was suboxone.  That's nasty stuff.  It kind of scores a point to the don't take drugs ideal.

sdp

It prove us that no place that could be a safe place to us. How can it happened in church, where people want to pray and worship God there. I don't know whether african-american people are minority or not, but US now has became a worse place to non-white people.

It's annoying how such racial hate crimes are committed and the felon has zero remorse. Delusional maniacs justifying and 'fighting for peace'. They are heroes in their own minds.

What's more annoying is people calling it a disaster, it wasn't an unavoidable natural disaster, it's a racial hate crime and that needs recognition, not some natural disaster.
Disgusting.

FoxNews is framing this as an attack on Christianity.

http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/06/18/foxs-steve-doocy-its-extraordinary-that-charles/204043

http://abcnews.go.com/US/friend-accused-sc-shooter-claims-wanted-start-race/story?id=31874063

it was a white guy and black people died so that basically constitutes a hate crime.

"Gun free zones" for all but mass murderers and lesser violent criminals.

Its just painful to know that there are people like this that exist.

This is ridiculous.
Do they think people can't apply their own mind to news items?
Dylan Roof was probably a christian.

The media is diving people by race, gender, religion, class, age, sexual preference, etc., as much as possible. They are the mouthpiece of those in control, and those in control want regular people fighting with themselves as much as possible, and not unifying across all of these lines to fight the common cause of their oppression... those in control.

Im just wondering if it will come out that he was on some kind of pill like Paxil or Zoloft or something like they claim most of these other mass killers have been reported to be on .... they say that is one thibg they all have in common

Dylann Roof: Minor crimes, 'creepy' behavior, talk of 'Southern pride'

Already in his young life, 21-year-old Dylann Storm Roof was a study in contradictions.

He lived in this tiny central South Carolina community, which is 90% black, and former classmates said he had many African American friends. But they also said he made racist jokes.

John Mullins, a former high school classmate, said that Roof didn't seem dangerous but that he would make comments sometimes that were troubling, talking about “Southern pride.”

“It was just jokes he would make, racist jokes,” Mullins said.

But now Roof will face murder and hate-crime charges in Wednesday night's slaughter of nine African Americans who had gathered for a Bible class inside a historic church in Charleston, 100 miles away. And authorities were scrambling to sketch out a profile of a man who, even in an age of continuous self-advertisement and public sharing, left little trail.

More...http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-charleston-shooter-profile-20150618-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-charleston-shooter-profile-20150618-story.html)

At least, it should be sensible.
If the lunatic had a moslem sounding name, then playing it as a crime against christianity might have been believable.
Not in this case.

From victims’ families, forgiveness for accused Charleston gunman Dylann Roof

CHARLESTON, S.C. — President Obama challenged the nation Friday to confront the “terrible toll of gun violence” a day after a white man opened fire in a historic black church, killing nine people whose mourning relatives addressed the alleged killer for the first time with a message of despair and forgiveness.

In an emotional courtroom encounter here, a mother and daughter, a sister and grandson, among others, spoke directly to Dylann Roof, the 21-year-old charged Friday with nine counts of murder. He appeared for the bond hearing from jail through closed-circuit television.

As Roof’s face filled much of the screen — his eyes lowered, two guards in body armor flanking him from behind — surviving relatives told Roof his crime had devastated their families. But some said they forgave him, and, recalling the spirit of the venue where he staged his attack, pledged to pray for his soul.

“We welcomed you Wednesday night in our Bible study with welcome arms,” Felicia Sanders, whose son Tywanza Sanders was allegedly killed by Roof. Police say Roof spent an hour among the parishioners Wednesday evening before opening fire.

“Tywanza Sanders was my son. But Tywanza Sanders was my hero. Tywanza was my hero,’’ she said, her voice trembling. “May God have mercy on you.”

More...http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/south-carolina-governor-urges-death-penalty-charges-in-church-slayings/2015/06/19/3c039722-1678-11e5-9ddc-e3353542100c_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/south-carolina-governor-urges-death-penalty-charges-in-church-slayings/2015/06/19/3c039722-1678-11e5-9ddc-e3353542100c_story.html)

Charleston church victims’ families forgive suspect in court

CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) — They forgave him. They advised him to repent for his sins, and asked for God’s mercy on his soul. One even told Dylann Storm Roof to repent and confess, and “you’ll be OK.”

Relatives of the nine people shot down during a Bible study session inside their historic black church confronted the 21-year-old suspect Friday during his initial hearing. They described their pain and anger, but also spoke of love.

“I forgive you, my family forgives you,” said Anthony Thompson, whose relative Myra Thompson was killed. “We would like you to take this opportunity to repent. … Do that and you’ll be better off than you are right now.”

Roof was ordered held until a bond is set on murder charges. He appeared by video from the county jail, looking somber in a striped jumpsuit and speaking only briefly in response to the judge’s questions.

The victims included the Rev. Clementa Pinckney, a state senator who doubled as the church’s lead pastor, and eight others who played multiple roles in their families and communities: ministers and coaches, teachers and a librarian, counselors and choir singers and the elderly sexton who made sure the historic Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church was kept clean.

More...http://wtop.com/national/2015/06/gunman-feared-blacks-were-taking-over-the-world/ (http://wtop.com/national/2015/06/gunman-feared-blacks-were-taking-over-the-world/)

He seems to have zero remorse, as he is having mental issues. He is a known drug user, and was reported to be having mental health problems for a long time. At the time of the shooting, he was high on a drug called Suboxone, which can trigger violent reaction on people who take it. When he comes back to his senses, he will regret for what he did.

Let me answer your queries this way.

1) What is a hate crime?

In both crime and law, hate crime (also known as bias-motivated crime) is a usually violent, prejudice motivated crime that occurs when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her perceived membership in a certain social group.

2) How is this a hate crime?

Killing people brutally and when questioned why, says: 'I have to do it. You rape our women and you’re taking over our country. And you have to go.'

Read more here: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33205339

3) What happens to him now?

Hate crimes are not separate charges, but an "enhancement" to an existing charge, like assault or murder. Prosecutors use this option to increase the severity of the punishment for those crimes - a potential sentence for a hate crime assault would be higher than an assault with no hate crime enhancement. The court decides what happens next, he's not getting away with it easy.

Note that no matter how many mental issues mass murderers have, they have enough self-preservation instinct/sanity to target only "gun free zones" like this church, or take up a sniping (Whitman)/bombing (McVeigh) position where victims' fire probably/certainly won't hit them.

White supremacist mass murderers DON'T infiltrate gun ranges with mostly black customers, DON'T infiltrate black-owned businesses where the owners and/or employees and/or customers are able to carry guns, DON'T infiltrate black birthday parties in people's yards where everyone is able to carry guns.

If you intended to kill a bunch of people, you wouldn't want to die in a hail of gunfire the instant you were spotted about to begin.

That's why I have always claimed that taking away guns from the law-abiding population will only lead to more and more incidents such as this one. Accept it. South Carolina is a region where the crime rate is higher than the national average. Gun control there will take away guns from the normal people, while the criminals will be having a free run with their illegal weapons.

It would be a great if you give the link of the news, since the incident has attracted world people and me to know more about it. I still don't get a complete reason why he did that, maybe he is hiding something as the main motive.

It is not "hate crime" but "junkie crime".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33205339

Actually I haven't see yet why he did that and is he really having mental issues or not, since the motive just been explained by a spokeswoman for the justice department, not from the suspect or his lawyer. Anyway, thanks for the news link.

Also FDA has great responsibility for this crime. If Suboxone is dangerous why they allow it?

i don't think the answer to solving the problem of criminals carrying a guns is giving everybody firearm, people may think that if they had the power they would make a difference but as they say with great power comes great responsibility and most citizens like the criminals may not be able to handle a firearm responsibly giving guns is not the solutions, take away the illegal sources from which the criminals are getting guns. i will not feel safe if a 1 out of every 10 guys in the streets is carrying a gun

The details are still emerging, but it seems that he suffered from mental illness for quite a long time.

http://www.newsmax.com/Health/Brain-Health/charleston-shooting-dylann-roof/2015/06/19/id/651353/

And regarding the motive, I believe that it is clear now. He told the victims himself that he was doing it, as a retaliation for rape of white women by black men. And the following article makes it clear that he was a neo-Nazi:

http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/dylann-roof-and-a-night-of-hate-in-charleston

No one is giving everyone guns. Individuals have a CHOICE to buy one, and if you have the option to do so for yourself, what gives you the right to deny anyone else that right? Also, are your feelings the most important thing here, or are the statistics?

Even in the United States, you need a license/ carry permit/Firearm registration to own a firearm (varies from state to state), and it is not that easy to obtain them. Most of the states have banned the possession of assault weapons. Carrying a concealed fire-arm without the necessary permit, is a punishable offence in the United States.

Selling guns is much too profitable, mental healthcare far too expensive, for the corpo-political decision-maker caste to care that a bunch of random Americans will be slain in a shooting every so often.

After all, it's not like important people ever find themselves in the line of fire in these random attacks. No, their world is the safety and comfort skyscrapers, jetplanes, and limos.

The problem is that all you need is a cheap car and enough cash to get you to a state like Arizona where any asshole can go to a "gun show" (read: gun sale) and anonymously buy a bigass murder weapon with no background check, and no license. Then you hop in your car, drive back to your home state, and murder a bunch of innocent people.

The system works (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M)! 'Murica!

We all talk about hate crime, I cannot say most of the times but more than a normal times, discrimination occur on black African people. But black African people are good at revenge too. My friend told me who live in the United States of America, once an innocent white girl who is about to die with cancer in a span of 6 months, walking in the street, few black African men came in the car pulled her inside and raped. Though the discrimination takes place on African people, I never support these kind of atrocity, brutality and inhumane actions.

That's not revenge for anything, that's just rape. Your "friend" is an idiot, and definitely a racist. Because a few men who happened to have dark skin committed a crime, all people with dark skin are "good at revenge"? This is the textbook definition of prejudice.

Right, "your friend" told you that story. Seems legit bro, you definitely didn't just pull this bullshit out of your ass. Nothing like a totally irrelevant gang rape story to muster up some hatred for a centuries-oppressed minority group.

Kindly kill yourself so you can stop spreading this ignorant hatred to others.

And what is stopping that same individual from just plowing that car into a bunch of people? Those can be bought anonymously all over the country. Furthermore, even if the firearm was purchased legally, how exactly does that prevent an individual from using it to commit a criminal act? After all of the person kills a bunch of people it is not like they are anonymous any more. Very few mass shooters escape without being identified and captured. The shooter in this case was subjected to a background check and was cleared. What does your point about private gun sales have to do with any of this?

More pictures. Very nice. Even more proof you don't have capability for individual thought and critical reasoning. To top it off they aren't even new pictures, just the same thing repeating over and over again like a parrot. Sorry but I don't take advice from parrots.

I've seen your posts in the gun control thread, too.  Nice to know you've thought this one out for yourself   ::)

I'd be interested to know what you think about issue, in your own words, and without framing the issue in an infantile false dichotomy.

That's bad, there are no safe place for us outside anymore. This tragedy can make people be afraid to go church, mosque, etc. Do we need to make a security check in every churches gate, to make sure there are no people that bring dangerous thing inside? Maybe it's sound ridiculous and hard to do that.

What, did you really think I linked material that opposes my own opinion on the matter? Not too fuckin' bright bro.

Why would I type something which has already been typed? This isn't the middle ages, we're not transcribing ancient texts for preservation here guys. This is the internet.

Still, I'll humor you as a show of good faith. Let's treat guns and cars the same!

-Gun licenses that prove competency
-Gun registration
-Mandatory gun insurance
-Education for misdemeanor offenses
-Suspension of gun license for multiple offenses
-Severe jail time for weapons used while under the influence of alcohol (or other drugs)


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/32/ca/a5/32caa514e2a027eb8ac8f82f274b712b.jpg

  Critical thought is clearly for cavemen. Now you are just retyping things that were in the picture. That is not what we are challenging you to do. We are challenging you to have your own thought process instead of operating no differently than a parrot and repeating things other people said without examination.

Ahh, I see where this is going.  I'm not responding to any more of your posts on this issue.

http://worldtruth.tv/what-you-missed-because-of-the-church-shooting/   i also found this interesting since it was happening supposobly at same exact time fram..... not sure though  but seems reliable source, and i just dont trust the govt

“You rape our women and you’re taking over our country — and you have to go,” the terrorist said, according to a survivor.
Shooter was openly racist.

Images found with the screed show suspected Charleston church shooter posing with the Confederate flag and symbols of white supremacy.
In one image, the suspected gunman is posed on the beach wearing the same clothes he is seen wearing on surveillance footage as he entered the church on Wednesday. It is unclear if this image was taken the same day as the shooting, but if so, it would show that Roof took time to visit the beach, inscribe the racist symbol 1488 in the sand and photograph himself before allegedly traveling to Charleston.

http://news.yahoo.com/suspected-killer-dylann-roof-s-racist-manifesto-surfaces-154324556.html (http://news.yahoo.com/suspected-killer-dylann-roof-s-racist-manifesto-surfaces-154324556.html)

Many times more people die due to vehicles (whether accidental or criminal) than GSWs (whether accidental or criminal). The right to effective self-defense tool use is already infringed - if it was infringed as much as the freedom of movement tool use, the death toll would go up even further. But that's a feature, not a bug, to the evil pricks advocating infringement of any/all victimless civil liberties.

That is evident, from the images currently circulating in the social media. One of the images show him wearing a black-colored jacket, with the flags of the apartheid-era South Africa and that of Rhodesia (currently known as Zimbabwe) under white rule pinned on to them. He was a sympathizer of the apartheid regime, and he was open about his political views.

Actually cars kill A LOT more people than guns. Too bad all your bullshit bureaucracy does nothing to stop that. Way to argue against yourself. BTW, polly want a cracker?

Far be it from me to come off as a conspiracy theorist, but this whole thing just smells of false flag to me. If in fact it is true about the TPA thing getting voted on at the exact same time that Obama was delivering his usual race-baiting filled speech (do watch the video that JLynn171 posted for more details) then this is classic divide and conquer tactics that this administration, and yes, plenty of administrations before, have been utilizing all along. I mean, think about it, it is obvious how passionate people get when there is a white person, cop, etc. that kills black people, so what better to pull at the heartstrings of the public than some whacked out racists white boy shooting up a black church?

Then if you delve further into it, how long after the shooting occurred before certain politicians and public figures were screaming for gun control again? And this crap about the Confederate flag? Yeah, it has been used as a symbol of hatred for many years, but come on, now all of a sudden it's an issue for debate? I can tell you from experience that there are many, many people who either fly that flag or have one on a license plate or whatever that are not hate-filled racists hell bent on the extermination of the black race. It is either just one other topic of debate to keep the public in the blind about what the federal government is doing behind our backs, or it is yet another reason to cause racial strife and division to more easily control the public and strip away our rights.

Now I know someone will say, "what rights are being stripped away by banning the public display of the Confederate flag?" Well, how about free speech? Just because some people use it as a symbol of hatred does not mean that is what it represents to everyone else. Me personally, I view it as an important piece of our history which helped to shape our country into what it is today. I do agree that it does not belong flying on any state or capital buildings, but rather it belongs in museums of US history and the likes. But what some of these people are calling for is the complete erasure of the flag, and that is just wrong. I mean, there are people who view the American flag as a symbol of oppression and hatred. Should our American flag be banned as well? No, of course not.

This was a horrible act of hatred committed by a pathetic anti-social lunatic. What truly bothers me is when I read about members of the black community talking about how white people need to have a dialog about white crime. Sorry, but America suffers from a high crime rate as a whole. It is not limited to one race alone. My response to those people is maybe they should worry about the crimes committed by their own race before they try to call out the white race.

This is classic divide and conquer people.

"...I'mma shoot the university up and they all got 7 days to live..."


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33209654

Interesting. A guess which major U.S. media outlet will be the first to run that story? Oh that's right, none of them!

Hope that souls of those deceased will be laid to rest. No one deserves to die such a brutal way.

I still don't understand what the neo-Nazi got from mowing down a bunch of elderly innocent people. He was complaining about black on white rapes, and yet 6 out of the 9 victims were female. If he really wanted to act against black on white rape, then he should have attacked gangsters belonging to the black gangs such as the Crips or the Bloods.

Actually, my chosen bureaucracy does a great deal to stop that. I'm a Champion level supporting member of Transportation Alternatives (http://www.transalt.org/).

When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.

A terrorist attack being called as 'Hate-Crime'!! Trying to fool people that no terrorist attacks can happen in US?

But it is a hate-crime. Some people hate a community's ideology. That is hate.

I think he was thinking his personal safety before did the action. If he shot gangsters, so I can say he would be shot back by the gangster friends and could die. He want to punish black people, but not to be killed by them. So the safer way was shot the innocent black people. I think he is a coward.



So what is main motive the terrorists make terror attacks? The terrorists hate US right? So we can say terrorists do "hate-crime" by your opinion  :)

Yes lets.


-No licenses for drivers.
-No car registration
-No mandatory car insurance.
-Education for misdemeanor offenses?  Probably a good idea for both.
-don't treat people badly because they drove while under the influence of alcohol (or other drugs).

On the other hand...

If all the standard laws were gradually converted into strong warnings, warnings which expressed strong punishment for those who harmed other people or damaged their property by breaking the warnings, and the warnings themselves were not sufficient cause for punishment, we could be free from the criminality of government people who use laws harmfully against us to enrich themselves. At the same time, those people who harmed someone or damaged his property, would be off the streets and out of society because of the harm or damage they did, not because of some warning that might or might not apply to their situation.

I don't care if you work on building an atom bomb in your garage. If you don't harm anybody or damage his property, who cares? In the case of the atom bomb, if you are near enough to making it work, there is a threat. If the threat is real, you should be stopped. But not for something like smoking a little pot or drinking a little booze. If you are dangerous in these ways, you will fail somewhere along the line, and you will be off the street and out of society.

:)

Agree, let's treat guns and cars the same, with no prior restraint infringements for either, just as sdp described. Harm an innocent with either your gun or your car, and you are destroyed.

Whats weird to me is that the second the shooting happened, news was all over the place. But there was a shooting in detroit yesterday at a children's birthday party, 11 were shot. And i bet no one heard about it

I heard about it, but only 1 died out of 12 shot, which doesn't fit the criminals union's narrative that "guns are only for killing" - despite most GSWs being non-fatal. I wonder if it was a drive-by spray at an upward angle, which is why no children were hit, and some partygoers prohibited from firearm possession returned fire in lawful self-defense, which is why nobody is talking to police (no incrimination for unlawful firearms possession).
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/21/us/detroit-birthday-party-shooting/index.html

You might be thinking about the shooting that happened in West Philly the same night where 10 people were also shot. The one in Detroit, an 18-month old and a 12-year old were both hit. But yeah, not many news channels ran those stories. They couldn't blame those shootings on white racism or the Confederate flag.

An eye for an eye?  Very barbaric, I like it. Takes us ethically back in time nearly 4,000 years to the Hammurabi Code. I take it you are quite devout in your chosen religion?

Let's take a moment look at the effect strict motor vehicle laws have had on public safety:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/figures/mm4818a1f1.gif

Even with these laws protecting us in place, still we lost 32,719 Americans - enough to fill a football stadium - to car wrecks in 2013.

That number could easily be ten times larger, if we had unscientific morons crafting public safety policy.

In my city over 20,000 have already been injured or killed by cars so far this year (January - June 2015).

I love when naïve libertarians describe their dystopia with absolutely no irony.


http://media.moddb.com/images/articles/1/132/131873/1.jpg

Oh I see, thats how it works is it? I point out a flaw in your logic the size of a watermelon, so then you just talk about something else like thats what you meant the whole time. Got another fallacy you are guilty of: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/special-pleading


So you are scientific then? When you learned science, do you remember the lesson about correlation does not equal causation? Were the traffic deaths going down because of regulations... or because actual safety technology used to build vehicles has vastly improved?  Of course you just assume all these regulations are what made people safer. Good thing you are so scientific. Here is another real fallacy you are guilty of: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause

Additionally, none of those regulations prevent people from getting access to a car in any way, they are simply punishments after the fact for breaking the law, therefore they don't prevent anything, and your analogy with gun ownership is not applicable. There are laws against murder. There are laws saying you need a insurance to drive, but that wont stop you from going on Craigslist and buying a car with zero regulation and running 20 people down.  Your so called safety measures operate 100% on deterrent. Too bad murderous psychopaths don't care about going to jail.  

I've heard very little coverage about church's burning in south.... Have anyone heard about this and what is behind it?