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Launch Announcement is here, check it out, thanks!


Expanse (EXP) - Fair Mining, Fair Launch, No ICO, Based on Ethereum.

Pre Announcement:

Expanse (EXP) is based on Ethereum and designed to be fair for miners. We will have fair distribution, a fair launch, and no ICO.

The team is being led by Christopher Franko of the Franko collective, and James Clayton of the Cryptocurrency Collectors Club, along with other coders, marketers, and those skilled at art and publications in the crypto world. There will be a small staged multi-sig reserve to pay for development. This is to ensure long term commitment to development with an increased incentive for the team.

Why make it? Ethereum is a fascinating project and we think it would be very interesting to experiment with some key differences, while also seeking to simplify user experience as greatly as possible.

We ask that you consider mining and perhaps joining the community, everyone is welcome. Help us make this fair version of Ethereum something special and unique, and perhaps even fun and profitable!

More information coming soon -- Franko has already created the build and various possibilities are being discussed. If you want to join the discussion, send a PM  with your email address and I can add you to our slack. Thanks!

Watching this...

This is going to be a fun project that's for sure!

ill be watching

Fair eth? I'm in.

Fair and more userfriendly :O

interesting. added to watch list

No thanks

Definitely watching this.

Let the ETH clone wars begin

I've respected James a long time, proud to have done the logo for this project, I think it's going to be big :)

Algo???

Make it something both rentable and solo-able.

https://i.imgur.com/P7vNIpt.jpg (http://imgur.com/P7vNIpt)

Dagger

Like others say it looks interesting .... i'm watching this also

Interesting project, wondered how long it would take to get the ETH clones coming out.
Watching this one.

Really like the graphic  8)

It looks awesome!

Excited to see where this project goes!

eth is old! looking for something new!  ;D

It's not really a proven algo at this point. You criticized X11 in the liquid thread, but it has secured dozens of coins. Dagger has secured only ethereum, and it doesn't even work right as a coin yet.

I love it as well, it was exactly what I was thinking of with the concept of "Expanse." Vibrant too.

Oh, yeah, this will be epic. Bring on the clones!

Actually it should be left the same.  The POW shouldn't be changed.

What do you think about declining rewards over time, either smooth or block halvings? We are currently discussing it.

This should be good  :D

Rewards should decline. You need to have a way to reward early adopters or else adoption will never happen. A lot of people will cry about it, but it's a reality. Decreasing block rewards are a feature of successful coins.

PoS should also take over, sooner rather than later. Yeah, sounds bad. Boo hoo. But the winning clone will have that model.

Smooth reduction over time.   Follow bitcoins emission curve.  Leave the POW scheme the same.  You'll get serious people involved in the coin.  

Pure POW is the way to go.

I agree with you, I think there should be declining rewards, gradually. If we go POS it would make the most sense to go POS in a year along with ETH. (I just want people to chime in and agree with us)


;)

Nice religion you got there.

Watching.

Looks scammy to me.
Copying ethereum to gain fast cash

How much is the premine?  What are the steps to how it will be allocated?

what will be ready at launch? windows , mining tutorials ,etc


from what i know of franco and james, i dont think they are in this to scam but rather wanting to create something here
wishing you good luck. watching closely  8)

The discussion is ongoing in slack, it would be staged over a great deal of time and multi-sig. It really depends how big the team will be and what we think the market value would be. There is no ICO, and frankly, we can't compete with serious miners and just try to mine like crazy and then work based on that. We are small time hobbyist miners. So we needed some fair plan to hire as much top notch talent as possible, and we need them to stick around and maintain some elements of the tech.

Franko has supported his coin for years, and I have been involved in one other coin over all the years I have been in cryptos, and I still support it. So we are not the sorts to go coin hopping and bsing. The only way we could make a lot of money with this is if the coinmarketcap value goes over a million, and if that were to happen I imagine miners would be very happy and this would be a huge success. We are doing this because we love cryptos and Ethereum is an amazing project, so why not experiment with it and try new things, and have fun? Franko is also talented and honest, and we get along really well, so we have a great core team to start with.

We are a meritocracy, if people get involved and are valuable, they will be rewarded and might be able to join in. I am also very impressed with Mike stepping up and helping with the logo, and a lot of others in Slack are providing valuable feedback as well. :)

It's a clone that is being launched fairly and with fair mining, I highly doubt this will be a pump and dumped then abandoned project.

CCC backing it....alot of reputation at stake....first eth clone? Interesting project

Great, have fun, I trade Ethereum as well and I mine it.

Nice logo...hire that man!  :D

I explained what I had in mind and he nailed it. I think he did his best logo ever.

I'm not a big fan of POS.  100% POW is ideal.  But if you go with POS in a year, POS rewards should initially be minimal and require a longer time for coin maturity than typical.

Interesting, I had some of the same thoughts. If we do that change in a year, some sort of gradual switch.

the best new coin to come out in a long time.... no ico, fair launch, no newbie devs, i'm in.  good chance to do what ether didn't.

how much is the premine going to be?

The problem with POS coins is that what happens is an entity or entities in collaboration can combine coins and control a large percentage of the stake without any form of continual output of resources as is required with POW.

I didn't see anything regarding a premine.  Although a small premine would be acceptable.  I would rather see a percentage of all POW going to a development fund.

Says the dude who bought a sr member account. If you've been around, you'd know the devs here are some of the most reputable around in terms of honesty.

here

Missed that.  Thanks. That changes everything.  What's the amount of the premine?  Thanks.

This looks very good and promising i`m watching this.

Should this be dubbed the project of the "trustworthy group"?? Yes, I'm also into this.

-east

Wow I saw the link to the Ann and thought "brace yourselves for another newbie dev" pleasantly surprised it's not. Will be watching this, good luck guys  :)

Hmmm, interesting, I'll keep my ears open :D

ETA?

hmm. finally something interesting and something new

We are getting the rest of the team going and want to get it as soon as possible, but we also want a good launch and this is quite unique, so no ETA yet, but as soon as it is ready. There will be plenty of notice once we have the date set. :)

Not finalized but around 10% and in a staged escrow over a year, releasing a little at a time, perhaps for up to a team of 10 people that are pros. Which is different than one person cloning LTC/BLK/DRK again. There has to be some incentive, and ninja launching and trying to mine it in secret, or big early blocks is generally less transparent. Everything would be in the open, nobody would be dumped on, but of course if people don't believe devs should be paid they should not be involved here, we can't hire people for nothing. This system is designed for the devs to stick around and have a lot of incentive to increase the value over time. Projects do need to be funded to be successful, and of course Ethereum had serious issues staying funded even after raising many millions. This might be a couple hundred dollars per dev, or less, an extremely small amount, but if the project is successful based on their work, and investors and miners make lots of profits over many months, then devs would be rewarded more over time by making it  more valuable. Ideally everyone wins, but we definitely want miners happy, but also need a realistic chance to be compensated for time spent.

more information dev, I think you give incomplete information .. No ICO, fair launch , get more... give me

10% pre-mine, say whaaaa?  ???

We are still discussing details, the coin count will not be abnormally high and will make sense. We are very experienced in cryptos so you don't have to worry about that. Block rewards are still being discussed, I prefer a smooth reduction over halving, but that is just my vote. I do not want any ninja launch. The launch itself will be published with plenty or warning and at a time/day most people like. We want to make it fair and interesting for miners, but still need to compensate the talent we are hiring, so we are working out the details on how to do that over time with a multl-sig staged reserve. (very slow release and with trusted parties in control)

As of now we are sticking with the dagger GPU/CPU hybrid for mining, unless that changes. It is uncertain if it will change to POS after a year like ETH, that is still being discussed, and opinions are very welcomed with that. We have the lead dev who already made the build. We need the explorer and build bot, Python and Node. Some people are expressing interest, but we also need people that are serious, available, and that will definitely be there when needed, and willing to be paid in EXP and hopefully increase the value of it.

This is a pre-annoucement so all the details are not finalized, but once they are, the launch announcement will be made.

okay im watching at here
may be this coin will be next Vanilla, start, arch ort other Big new shitcoin ::)

Maximum, that is if we decide that much is needed. Also staged over a year, not available at once. This is still being discussed, but we are not going to try to mine it like mad and work based on what we mine, just wouldn't work unless we made the initial rewards very unfair, ninja launch it, and then have all that available at the same time. Which technically would be less fair and transparent, but is usually what happens if people look closely at most projects.

Why do most fail right away? No incentive for the devs, they mine and dump, it is over. That is not the plan here. This is something that would almost certainly maintain some value and perhaps grow.

That is an interesting idea there. Let me bring that up in Slack. (percentage of POW)

I actually like that, let me ask Franko about it.

edit: His concern is that it creates sort of a "tax" (although I think it is interesting)

Hero member and eth clone...sounds interesting. Dev, are you releasing your roadmap anytime soon?

Right now we are talking with people and making plans, but once it is ready. This is the beginning of the beginning as they say. Also a great time to get involved since we are listening very closely to what everyone thinks and wants.

I suggest you to create something really new, people are bored of anon, markets and other already seen stuff.

copy & paste bandwagon!

Go go go !!! Let's have fun! I want that ETH bs to die in pain. ;D

Could we get some bounties for people who want to dev DApps for this platform? It doesn't have to be anything big. I don't have many miners but I want to make DApps. ETH is too expensive to make apps for. The fuel costs too much.

Without apps and people using the "gas" this will not be anything good. In addition to the dev premine, there should be another small premine for app builders. If I could get like 0.01% of all EXP that would be amazing!

Maybe premine 1% for 100 different app builders. 0.01% each.

What do people think?

I didn't understand few things , mates. Which algo will be mining and when do we start that project.
The concept is interesting to me...

I like the idea. Following.

The premine / reserve would also be used for DApps. Basically everything to increase the value, although it would be voted on and not just paid for anything of course.

As of now we are sticking with the Dagger hybrid used by Ethereum. (GPU based) Many people are requesting we change to whatever algo they own the most rigs of, and I understand that reasoning, I would definitely want SHA-256 if it was based on what I own the most of.

Before this can launch we need a few more team members. We know people that can do this, but we also need them to have free time and to be available.

blockexplorer: node buildbot: python (Team members)

Not essential as we can do this, but could use pro web design and a smart contract guru.

Once we have the team finalized we will be a lot closer to launching.

Note: team members would be paid in EXP.

I would like to join, I have few concepts that I have already worked on for liquid. I don't think we should make competitng forks I think we should build together.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1149444.0

Interesting project, I'd also like sha, but as I have a small GPU rig too I'll definetly be able to mine and support the network.

Good, there is no need to change the algo.

No the best is scypt miner

I'm watching.   ;D

Franko grinds.  Expect Us.

This coin starts to look 1337 already. Almost no newbs in the thread, almost no well known hypers just genuine enthusiasm.

Edit: I have nothing against newbs, but often a dev creates shill accounts at the start of a coin to hype. Those newbie accounts i am referring to.

waiting....waiting....waiting....waiting....waiting....waiting....waiting....wa iting....waiting....waiting....waiting.... ;D

Putting a comment here so i dont miss out information, waiting  :)

We`re all waiting for this coin to launch :)

yes looks good

I want to mining with my Titan

any instruction regarding mining and shit ?
that the second clone I see, and they didn't put any instruction either ?
Is that that complicated that no dev want to write anything about it ?

This is a pre announcement and it will mine just like Ethereum at this point, no specifics were put for things still in discussion and subject to change. At this point it is a dagger hybrid like ETH and GPU based. The build has been made, but we still need 1-2 more coders for Python and Node for the Explorer and Buildbot.

Do you know how to mine Ethereum, would it be helpful with detailed instructions for that later, once ready?

Can I mined theses coin with Titan miner?

I think that will be great

wait ,this seems promise  ;D

If you could give detailed instructions for mining Ethereum it will be great.
As for me, I don't know how to mine it.

if its shas56d, will this be merge mined with bitcoin???

This coin sounds good for me. The Franko guys used to be trustworthy folks. BTW don't listen to the "pure pow" freaks. A mixed PoW PoS coin going to be fine. ...also please ignore the ETH shills :).

First: Great idea, get a GUI, and give everyone a chance to mine an ethereum based coin.

2nd: I tried mining ethereum, couldnt figure out the gpu part, but cpu mined for 5 days and didnt get anything. I guess if anyone notices a proper gpu and cpu mining writeup for ethereum maybe link it here... the problem stems from there being multiple ethereum command line clients, each slightly different. not sure why they chose to make all these parts and not bring them together coherently before their launch. Heres the list of executables that came with the 0.9.39 release of Ethereum I downloaded: abi.exe, alethzero.exe, eth.exe, ethconsole.exe, ethkey.exe, ethminer.exe, ethvm.exe, mix.exe, qtwebengineprocess.exe, rlp.exe, solc.exe. Oh and theres another client Geth.


edit** using some proper flags I was able to get GPU mining working, batch files in their respective folders...
batch file for geth:
batch file for ethminer:
note ip address "192.168.0.*" shall be changed to your local ip

anyways i had already created an account and synced geth, so im assuming this just mines to it. no clue if it works right though it took less than 15 min to make a DAG file to mine against and ive been getting 22Mhash on my 7950gpu

I assume again that when Expanse launches the standard ethminer will work just pointed at the right rpc port.

This ethereum clone is definitely worth it. I'm watching this very closely. Can't wait for it to be released. The Expanse name is truly epic  8)

Ethereum having a clone is a great idea.

I have followed both Frank and Clayton on twitter and believe Frank really is a good guy. But this is not good in reputation that he is working with Clayton. Due to the massive failure and obvious Insider selloff of Horizon before the announcement today... I do not trust ANYONE connected to HZ. Clayton buys in cheap... tells people to buy in so he can sell higher... then makes himself look like a Nobel Crypto Leader when in fact he preys on people who cannot track what he does and dumps into their buy orders. How about the VNL scam? I have seen Clayton and CCC really pump that load of trash.

 HZ was a cashcow for them to drag a faithful community along to milk every last satoshi they could for the project. It was a scam from the get go and it has NO NEW INNOVATION so how is Clayton and his "coders" going to out code Ethereum??? 1 million HZ to each dev team member each month to play dump dump dump on the community... and How about the HZ Exchange... massive failure...

So i suppose he will put ESP brand up on his clubs banners... and he will use the gullible good folks within that group to pump his bitcoin wallet nice and fat. Liars, snakes and thieves.

You really think you will perfect code which has millions of dollars behind it by somehow raising a couple bitcoin to pump and dump this coin to death like you did HZ? You cannot handle a little JAVA.... how are you going to handle Ethereum? I call this a joke. I will be looking for a real clone not centered around the CryptoCurrency Pump Club.

Great name and Idea... just shady characters behind it. But i will stay to watch this crash and burn too. Like all of his "good picks"

If you get a gui from the start your will be better than Ethereum right away. Still can't beleive they couldn't bring a couple of hours of coding to get the GUI going...

used to be?!?! :P I agree PoW/PoS sounds good to me.

 

Yep. Ethplus, ethlite, ethdark, ethcrypt, stealtheth, supereth, flappyeth, pandaeth, blacketh, asiaeth, besteth ...

Good times ahead.

I started writing about cryptos many years ago. I was one of the first people doing it that was non anonymous, at least for Alts. I did some good trades, and people kept asking me what I bought. With great reluctance I have shared some buys. Most were very good, but cryptos go up and down. I am not responsible for that. I have also learned a great deal over the years, and learned how to minimize risk, but crypto trading is always high risk.

As for VNL, it looked good, and I bought and talked about it at 3.5k, it went up to 55k, not sure what there is to complain about! I sold as there are now some concerns. If you lose money trading that is your own fault. If you can't read charts and are not willing to take risks, you are not ready for it. Everyone, including myself, always says to take your own risks and do your own research. We mean it!

As for Horizon, I broke even or maybe made a tiny profit, no boats or limos, but the price is still higher 1.5 years later, and there is still an active team. I plan on helping out for free as long as I can take the abuse. ;) So I think some credit is deserved for the team sticking around that long. Regardless, this is a totally different project, and just because some people have worked on other projects, that should not be held against them, but rather, they should get some credit for experiences learned.

p.s. Why do you have only 1 post? How am I the shady character if you are not sharing your real bitcointalk id? I have a real identity with many years of posts, that is the exact opposite of shady. Love or hate me, I am not hiding, you are.

I decided to create an alternative to ETH because there was no incentive for me to use ETH as it didnt meet my needs. Ive been working on a project called exp.life for about a year now, white paper,patent the whole 9. I was originally going to create the meta app on FRK but then I tried eth and it was just alot easier for the specific idea I have. Anyone who wants to help me can feel free too. Anyone who knows me, knows I dont do the shady shit. You would be hard pressed to find someone say that I do. I'm building a product that I can use to meet my goals because ETH doesnt, and if my product can help others meet theres then who am I to deny them?

I may not be able to outcode a million dollar budget but I can tailor their work for my needs. One major thing i'm going to do is create json api calls that match bitcoins rpc calls, that way its easier to integrate into existing infrastructure. I'm doing that because then I dont have to rework functionality in the web app ive been working.

I'm also going to simplfy some of the javascript console calls to again, resemble what alot of us are used to.

Let it also be known just because the team is small doesn't mean there isn't room for more, we don't need a million dollars when there is millions of dollars worth of talent out there who may be willing to take a risk and not feel like they need a king's treasure to start.

I admit when Franko announced his plans, I leapt at the chance! I have known him a long time and we get along well, and while he is humble, he is *extremely* capable and brilliant. People with talent that can get on the team, should.

Could you guys tell me this. Do ethereum addresses keep funds if you send out part of the funds? If this is true it's going to help out my ethereum backend mobile wallet/app. I've always had scalability issues with the wallet.dat growing too much, especially with PoS coins.

Four of the top five listings on coinmarketcap are pure POW.  There is nothing "freaky" about success. 
 

With Ethereum going POS after a year, I also kind of like the idea of staying POW rather than just following the same path. If so, I really like the idea of smooth reductions slower over time.

Oh yes, the annoucement should be pretty soon. Things are getting closer! :)

Watch this, very helpful, if full instrution how to mine it in Windows, Linux, and Mac Os.

Thank.

Pow with merged mining or dpos is way to go

merge mining with ETH would be the most amazing thing ever.

We will include instructions with what is possible.

which exchange likely?

poloniex & cryptsy both have supported trade for Ethereum clones. We're all just waiting on the clones.

I'm definitely kicking myself for not taking Jamess' advice on VNL when it came out... I think this will be an interesting project to watch for sure.

cheers guys and good luck

Poloniex and Cryptsy would be great, and I imagine they wouldn't mind the potential volume. Very reliable and trusted exchanges with coins and platforms that last.

Looking forward to getting some ExpansEth  :D

Maybe launch with GUI wallet?

There will be some changes at launch and some upcoming. The announcement should be soon enough and then we can say for sure. :)

(There is a GUI wallet of sorts for ETH, just not simple)

Launch with GUI and you won
This will make or break it

OK. I do apologize. I meant "always been" :).



Please note that a coin can't be really decentralized if the miners can monopolize or semi-centralize the "network maintenance" and currency emission tasks. PoS is a good way for the majority of the coin holders/users to keep some control over the coin against the few big miners.

Release the coin. An exact clone is fine. ETH is amazing.

A reduced mining rewards schedule like bitcoin might be cool!

this is going to be big awesomeness

you see crypto is about freedom
well u know the rest

Who knows? Maybe Expanse would kill Ethereum and become #2 in market cap. All of this is speculation. Just my  opinion, though. You might disagree with it  ::)

There will definitely be changes, at least some little things. Denominations are going to be metric instead of based on various last names. Just more logical and understandable for most people, and maybe ETH will change to this after people like it done this way in EXP more.

If a GUI cannot be ready by launch, we will still have one soon enough as well, all doable.

Launch date and time?

Why not merge mine it with the most secure network on the planet, bitcoin?


You wouldnt even have to have 10 min block time, look at some of the other bitcoin merge mined coins, theyve played around with faster block times if that is what you are looking for.

But seriously, take advantage of that massive hash the bitcoin network has.

There are so many good ideas. You better just make like 10 different clones. LOL

Love all the great ideas. I will mention this to Franko.

So...?

This is the pre announcement, Franko will post the launch ann once ready. Work is ongoing right now. For an update, the website is almost done.

No need to complicate things with trying to incorporate POS code into a new platform.

Launching with POW 100% for sure, and should be same algo as ETH for launch.

There is no time for BTC merge mining and some other suggestions as that would be a huge delay, or POS hybrid, or POS, but I think that is something the community can discuss as possibilities down the road.

Here's an idea I've been thinking of that would almost guarantee that Expanse eventually has a larger total number of users/holders than Ethereum. It is looking like bitcoin XT will likely succeed and fork off of Bitcoin QT. What you could do is have a relatively small, but not insignificant premine. These coins would be guaranteed to be payed out at some ratio for QT bitcoins that are burned after the XT fork.

This way everyone who is currently a btc holder is in a way a future Expanse holder. This will generate interest in Expanse even among people who have been hesitant to get involved in Ethereum. There may be a better way to distribute some small (but not worthless) amount of Expanse for burned QT BTC, but that's the general idea I had.

Thats an interesting idea and could be a smart contract, not necessarily exp, but an asset that represents those coins.

ETH algo? So will there be proper windows GPU mining software available?

When we can buy some premined

Like etherium ???.??...

I will be joining this project as a Developer. Hello All ;D

Hello to you


When you will sell premined coin??

No ICO please.

come on franko lets do this

is there a POS implementation also?

No ICO, not even the slightest chance.

Future discussions after launch for POS possibilities down the road. No POS at launch.

As there is no ICO there will be no premined coins available for sale. You will need to buy coins later on exchanges once they are available after launch. (or mine yourself)

Thats pretty cool :)
Is there a plan for a pool at launch or will we betting against ? :P ( i only have two r9 gpus with tahiti chip, i dont know if i will solve one block xD )

Hopefully Suprnova or some others will be able to launch with it. Might be profitable for them.

Mining is a little tricky with ETH now, for anyone that has tried it. We will include instructions and try to make it as smooth as possible though.

Ideally it will get a little more smoothed out soon and make it easier for pools. (I do think there are some ETH pools now) I personally don't have much for GPU mining myself, but I will definitely want to use a pool with what I have. :)

You can still mine ETH with those cards. ETH is super difficult to mine so the difficulty is staying low. Each of those cards should find 1 block (5 ETH) a day. When this coin launches you might be able to like 10 blocks a day with each of those cards!

A pool is a must. Many pools is a must. You have to get CPU miners in on this coin. They're a large population who would help out with marketing.

It would be challenging for CPU, but that is the same all over with mining vs GPU.

Following this.

Slack ongoing since the start, pm me an email and when I check in next I will add you.

No need to switch much. Ethereum is still building code that will only be usable if the same code base is used along with them. There will also be lots of bugs they fix.

How easy is it to set up a new ethereum test chain with a different name? Did the Ethereum team build this feature into their release?

interesting

Update: Dan Conway has joined the team to help with coding. He also is working on the website. (starting from scratch on that to get it right)

We plan on building a top tier website and platform of course, but still, we do want to launch soon. So various elements will have to be prioritized. Just letting everyone know that people are working every day on getting this going.

Hi, is there any particular reason why would people rather use Expanse over Ethereum?

1. Reason is NO ICO :)

So if it enrich only mining elite it is somehow more convenient? I dont think that people outside BTT think that way.

Who is Dan Conway?
I just hope you don't hire Joe Mozeleski aka ICM the Serial Scammer

Expanse does not even exist yet, its a pre announcement so.. :p

how we doin' here, days weeks?

Waiting for launch to mine :)

Are you a member of the slack channel?

Shoot James a PM and he'll invite you. Answers are much quicker through that channel.

Following. This is gonna be NEM of Ethereum.

lets go

This is exciting. I hope that I can get a lot of this coin and help it grow.

Any new word on how the dev premine will work or a release date?

It will be in a smart contract and slowly distributed to the devs over time, and to those helping the project in meaningful ways. This would be over a long period of time of course.

Personally, I was thinking spread it out over a year, and then maybe a voluntary donation percentage from mining after that. So people could contribute beyond that if they wish to, or not. (assuming it stays proof of work long term)

Everything is coming together, hopefully the actual announcement will be up pretty soon. :)

1) We might have a *really* nice GUI wallet sooner.

2) The distribution is more aimed at miners, so some miners might be more interested, along with those that prefer that method of distribution over ICOs.

3) We will also share some of the reserve with those that have talent and help in meaningful ways, so there is incentive to join and and build it up.

4) Clearly it will start with a vastly lower marketcap, so there is some investment potential.

5) People joining the Expanse community are likely to have a much greater impact with their suggestions and ideas.

"I'm out if Joe Mozeleski is involved in getting any part of the premine."

lol?

No, Daniel Conway is not Joe Mozeleski. I would post his Linkedin now but I figured I should ask first. So hang on for more details, but nothing whatsoever to worry about.

Of course.. to expanse.......

https://i.imgur.com/1Uo68J1.jpg?1

Hello there, I am Dan Conway.  I am a real person, you can find me in the real world.  I can assure you that in addition to that, I am not Joe Mozeleski, Josh Garza, nor Satoshi Nakomoto. I have worked on a number of projects in the space as a consultant and programmer for hire and have several projects of my own orientated around blockchain technology(Although none of them have been these kind of coin projects.). I have however made a logo for a crypto project that DID both use wings and shield, but that project never launched (maybe affliction the shirt company can be to blame for the prevalence of this style design) ;].

You can research my activity in bitcoin and the crypto community in the last few years and see my participation is primarily that of research and technical development. I have been very hesitant to join any of these coin projects due to the lack of legitimate intentions of the majority of the project managers. I have known Franko and James for a few years now and do not have those negative concerns for them and their project, so it is one I happily commit my efforts to. Also, since I am also not promising anything, it will be hard for me to disappoint by not delivering some big technology/feature, as I'm not saying I'm going to deliver any! I have no grandiose claim to what I bring to the project, nor any supernatural dev abilities, nor even Tony Stark level technological engineering genius to create new features never pioneered before. Rather than that, you will simply see my regular everyday consistent contributions to the project -- And I Hope you enjoy them and that they are helpful, of quality, and beneficial to it and its users.

I am very active on the slack, if you would like to have a chat or any input on the project please stop by. This is a community project and all aspects of it are very heavily influenced by the public opinion, so do not be shy to stop in and voice your opinions on the design and/or direction of the project. I am also active in the Chicago/Midwest Bitcoin Community, if you will come to any of the local meet ups anytime soon, you will likely find me there and we can grab a snack or cup of coffee and discuss Expanse or any of the other interesting topics related to blockchain tech!

I hope my brief introduction provides you with a little comfort on who I am and that I am not one of these alternative ghost personalities. For those of you that don't already know me, nice to make your acquaintance. ;]

I don't want to look like someone who is inpatient... but actually I'm really inpatient :). BTW where should I ask for a slack invitation? Defaced seems to be too busy to read his PMs. Maybe you guys have someone around who's not coding all the day and can send one.

For slack invite just PM me your email address. I need that in order to give out a slack invite. Thanks!

I will also check this thread every day and try to respond in a reasonable amount of time. I have odd hours and I am also helping with non coding stuff on the project, but I will read every post, and if I don't have an answer I will get one from the rest of the team.

I would like us to launch this month, so while that is just something that I would like and not an actual timeline, that is what I am hoping for. (no promises!) As soon as Franko is ready he should post the actual announcement.

  Interesting. I might mine a few.

That's probably a good time frame because for home/hobby miners Ethereum will likely no longer be profitable in a couple weeks.

This could be interesting! Btw, can i mine this on AMD apu?

AMD apu, I think those are for Laptops normally and not really traditional GPUs, so I don't think so. I believe for GPU mining you need a bit more power. If you have a laptop or no GPU, generally I think you are better off buying off the market rather than mining. You would use way more power than you would get profit, and likely straining your machine. It might be possible to CPU mine with your rig though if you really wanted to do it. (I would not do that personally however)

  They have AMD apu`s in desktops as well. It is still like CPU mining, though, when you consider the power consumption, difficulty, etc. The difficulty on this coin will probably be too high to mine with an apu and turn a profit. As CryptoClub stated, it would be best just to buy some EXP off the exchange. Or even rent a rig.

Watching this thread. I am curious about more information and what you are planning with this coin.

Looking forward for eth altcoins, maybe they'll bring some fresh air to the scene

whats the news from slack, this thing going live soon?

The ETH hype is almost over.

I wonder if this was all a big trick by Vitalik Buterin to make sure an ETH clone was delayed. LOL  :P

I had hoped we would launch this month, but that is up to Franko when he is ready. Hopefully soon.

I am ready too :)

Great news! It looks like this will be a fair launch with pools. ETH didn't even have pools set up which made it impossible to mine with CPUs.

ETH Hype hasn't even begun IMO. People don't even realize what its capable of.

I think ETH will be outdated in a year unless they keep upgrading it.

should be nice  ;D

Very interesting.  :)

Expanse will be epic...ETH is all about hype. It will die sooner or later. I really see EXP as a very promising coin. Still anxiously waiting for its release  ::)

Sounds like Franko should be ready in a couple days so we are getting closer. Not to hype, just keeping everyone in the loop and that it is moving forward.

I like this intention. Usually, founder/devs are trying to hype and pump their coin on the beginning in order to make a good deal before leaving the scene.

Then clone SJCX after! LOL

Ethereum + Storj combo.


I will love you guys forever if you do that for me.

Thanks for the update.

Hurry up before something else "SHIFT"s the momentum towards a different ethereum clone.

So what's the status of this?  The other ethereum clone "Shift" has a massive 12% premine.  If you have a successful launch you will be the premium etereum clone.  I say take a 1% premine to fund the basic necessities.  If you do this right that 1% will pay for everything you need and more.

The announcement should be fairly soon. Obviously I would have rather we had already launched, but Franko is working on it now.

 8) 8) 8) 8)

I like the sounds of that, getting close.

I'm actually tempted to figure out the mining and rent some on this one... is there a simple walk through on how to mine eth/exp ?

PoW mining is great but I would like to see PoS on Expanse as well. Then it would be a hybrid ETH clone. Just suggesting.  ;)

Yes, that will be under consideration later.

I hope you manage to launch this better than SHIFT. That one looks like garbage to me after reading up on it a bit.

We will be providing both detailed documentation, and brief 'getting started' guides prior to launch so users have time to prepare and are able to mine and use Expanse from the second it launches, rather than stumbling and racing post launch to try to get in fast enough.

This one looks as garbage as SHIFT. I'm most excited for a 0% premined ETH clone. It would be amazing if someone could change the algo to CPU only and somehow prevent any 1 person from getting over 0.01% of the coins.

Umm... have you heard of botnets?

Yes I have. It's a reason why CPUs mining sucks. If only there could be fair mining. Oh well. I will mine this coin once its released. It's not like there is anything better to mine.

Guess EXP can learn from what Ethereum and SHF have made a mistake at; make things more user friendly to the masses. A gui wallet with a daemon running inside it and maybe a gui miner. Also, don't rush it, rather have a polish product than a heap of hot mess. I've mined both ETH and currently SHF, so far the same experience as far as mining goes. Strangely I get 71 MHS with SHF compared to 68 MHS on ETH with 3 HD 7970's. Hopefully DAPPS will be more simple to create in the future.

Couldn't agree more. Hope they take their time. the one with the larger user base will come out on top and for that it all needs to make sense to to the regular folk who will just want to use their hashing power without having to RTFM 17 times.

A lot of devs just assume that everyone that mines and/or involved in crypto are IT people, like myself in computer networking. But majority are just people that just know basic computer skills: ie. word, browser, gaming, etc.... What ever crypto can simplify adoption, is transparent in agendas, promotes well with great PR, truly democratic with no censorship, make a solid team and have a useful circulating currency will come on top of things, maybe even surpass BTC and other top digital currencies.

CPU only is a myth.

"CPU only" means "No performance advantage for GPU"

(a more subtle meaning would be No performance/watt advantage for GPU,
but since electricity is considered "free" in some circumstances, I prefer the
simpler notion of absolute performance, which is also much easier to measure).

How is that a myth?

Let's talk about Yeti.

We are def using eth and shift for lessons on what to do and not to do, but I think for the most part people are unfairly judgmental towards those projects due to having expectations higher than what was promised. If dev's DON'T promise you something, it's odd people get so mad when its not there. Shift has said over and over it is a hobby project, made by hobbyist developers and its dev's make no claims other than that, so its hard to hold them to any expectation higher than that; If they do deliver more, awesome, they exceed expectations, but if not then you can't really be too upset.

In Ethereums case, the frontier release is supposed to be for exchanges and mining backends, not for end users. This was documented and said to be the case for almost a year leading up to it, but when it launched without a end user GUI despite being meant just as a backend in that release, people flipped and said 'Ethereum is a failure'. Sure, Eth might of made more people happy and like it more if they rushed in a GUI, but in my opinion they are ignoring what the hive mind wants and doing what's best for its development. I am fully behind the ETH team on those choices. Sure some end users might think jive of it for now, but in another year it will be properly developed and stable and those users will be won back over.

All that being said, we are not a hobbyist project; We are a team composed of experienced developers and industry figures with full time commitments to this project. We realize end-users make up the majority of use of these platforms, and want our initial release to cater comfortably to them. We feel it is important for regular non overly technical users to have an easy intuitive time doing basic and or even complex tasks on the platform. We have a very nice GUI with basic functionality ready for launch for account and transaction management, as well as our version of alethzero for contract management. Following soon after will be our implementation of 'Mist' allowing users to easily browse and utilize Dapps and Contacts on the network. Software as well as detailed and easy to follow quick-start guides and documentation on installation and use will be available PRIOR to launch, allowing users to prepare their mining or client environments adequately ahead of launch to promote fair mining and ease of use to users.



We are working very hard, fast, and diligently as a day in the crypto space is a month in traditional business, but we are professionals and as such will not rush anything out. It is out hope that our work will speak for itself -- there is no need for us to try to draw lines between us and any other project in the crypto space. We are confident the quality of our work will represent it's value. Our Full announcement is coming out very soon, so stay tuned!

It is a myth in that it has not yet been demonstrated. As far as I know (and of course, I am not all knowing) there is no design for a cpu only algo that can (and has) not been made to be drastically outperformed by a GPU. Certainly many have been claimed, but disproven. Again, I am not omniscient so it is entirely possible it is out there somewhere, possibly even in plain sight and of common knowledge(just not to MY knowledge)... -- I would love for my own academic reasons to see and study one if there is, so please do provide a link if you are aware of any. 

The reason why so many "cpu-only" claiming PoWs were disproven, is that they
were doing too much computation. Of course, a GPU is going to excel at doing computation.

In contrast, in my Cuckoo Cycle PoW, mining is designed to *avoid* computation, just doing the minimum possible computation to generate random accesses to arbitrary scalable amounts of memory.
In mining, the majority of runtime is spent waiting for global memory access latency, which also
makes it a rather energy efficient PoW.

The reason it can scale memory arbitrarily is that, unlike almost every other "memory hard" design,
this proof of work is asymmetric, so verification remains instant and requires no memory at all.

There's a $500 bounty on convincingly disproving my claim that GPUs have no advantage over CPUs, see

https://github.com/tromp/cuckoo

which also has a whitepaper.

What do you expect with $500 bounty?

Is Cuckoo currently used in any coin? sounds like a very fair distribution method.

Very fair. Malware distributors are happy. Botnets know what to do. Geez.

 :D Sorry, didn't know it was malware, first time I've read about it.

*edit* I see what you mean... but the point is gpu has no advantage over cuckoo apparently

Advantage over what
One cpu?
Two cpu?
3453 cpu?

Chris Franko has my full support. A very talented developer, and a good person. One of the very few I have ever trusted and supported since coming into the cryptocoin scene back in 2011. Looking forward to this project. If you guys need any resources, you can drop me a PM.

Mistercoin-

No; it's not in use as far as I know.

As to fair distribution, that depends more on the reward schedule than on the PoW.
Nothing is fair when the majority of coins is released in a few weeks, or even a few days.

A fair distribution would start with negligible rewards, which slowly climb over a period
of months, to reach their peak in maybe a year, when mining software has had a chance to mature
and spread to many platforms (e.g. phones charging overnight), and then slowly decline over many years.

Same here. On the first look, it looks promising but when you read some little more than the project seems not really professional. Hope that changes.

We will have a public mining test for anyone that wants to test mining before the launch. So everyone that needs to can learn how to set it up in a non competitive environment and be ready for the actual launch. As we are not ninja launching or instamining, or any of that sort of trickery, we can just have a totally fair launch where everyone that wants to be a part of it has a fair and equal start. Obviously if we do this with public test mining, that would be on a testnet and not be actual coins/tokens. We think it is very important to really include everyone that wants to be a part of Expanse.

A lengthy pre-ann + linear rewards + a few weeks is decent IMO. It's not like alt-coin crowd will double in a year. I think whoever will ever participate in mining expanse are already monitoring this thread and other channels for the eventual non-ninja launch.

Right on....

Can't wait till this finally gets online... 8)

I'm glad to see everyones support, we should have some testnet testing pretty soon :) We dont wnt to be doing any "do overs".

Relaunches are quite the bother most of the times...lol

Any news?

YES WE ARE!!  ;D

We are very close to the announcement now and should have it up within days. Sorry for the delays, but we want to get this done right.

There will be public test mining in advance of the actual launch so people can test and have everything ready, so that the actual launch will be as fair as possible for everyone.

There should be no problem with getting Expanse on a good exchange. :)

I hope you start project without premain

Good to hear the hard work and effort to make it a fair launch.

I'll mine this :)

Me too definitely. I mined both ETH and SHF, but surely this too.... 8)

Nice to be back in the GPU mining gig....lmfao....Lucky I didn't sell all my gpu's away, especially AMD cards....lol

Good one ;)

Which implementation of the Ethereum will Expanse be based on?
@CryptoClub

The upcoming plans requires a reserve and would not work without it, but we are avoiding ninja launches and instamines that go along with most zero premines, that in practice are usually not actually fair and favor the few that know the timing or initial settings to mine.

It will be an extremely fair launch this way without any person or group having an edge. There will even be a test launch so people less technical can set everything up in advance and be ready for it. So even the least technical people will have a fair shot at a time made clear well in advance.

As for the reserve, most of the reserve will be controlled by the community, and I think most people will find the design for this very innovative and original once they see it.

AMD 270x's handle ETHASH very well!
What cards you running?

When is the launch date?

Just 3x HD 7970's at them moment, hashing about 68~71 MH/s....Trying to get more cards at the moment, HD 7970, HD 7990, R9 280x or 295x2....

Think the 270x is pretty good and also the HD 7950/R9 280/R9 285.

hmm... that is bad, how much will be premine?

""All of them, is the answer

we are not using just one implementation, we are porting all of them."

We should have the announcement up in a day or two and then all the details will be out. Soon :)

Great to know thank you
I'll be mining!

Once the announcement is out then you can see all the details and the plans, pretty important to know everything to understand how it works. There will be no risk of dumping as we will be using smart contracts, zero risk. Obviously we can't make everyone happy, but as a miner myself I think miners could do quite well with this over time, so check out the announcement later and read up on it and then decide if you think it is worth it. Thanks!

ok, waiting announcement.

How long will the testnet period last?

Getting the announcement finalized, it is at a couple days right now, but not final.

Ok. Just like to see that people that haven't mine Ethereum have a fair chance like all of us that know how already....

I've been acquainted with James for nearly 2 years and Chris as well but not so long. Both are decent guys in my opinion and I know that neither would involve themselves in anything they don't intend on putting in the work to make succeed. Definitely not a scam coin and I look forward to mining this as it already seems the winner vs shift.

Yes, as a miner myself that doesn't really get the edge or the blocks early, I know how these things play out in practice with wallet delays and launches that only work on some systems, ninja launches. Most launches are extremely unfair regardless of the spin, but with a Test Launch everyone will get to test settings in advance and we can make this quite fair for anyone that wants to be a part of it.

Franko is testing Expanse now, so we should have more news very soon by the way. :)

Same here, even I get an early edge, it only last for an hour and two before the monster miners come in..lol

I notice a lot of unsavory things since mining at the start of 2011 to current times....

Hopefully, there will be a real time block explorer working before launch. Details of any premine, where the it's being used exactly and documentation of exact usage, if there is going to be a premine. If this get on an exchange, hopefully poloniex is the primary target.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1173722.0

Launch Announcement is here, check it out, thanks!