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A large cluster of objects in space look like something you would "expect an alien civilization to build", astronomers have said.  

Jason Wright, an astronomer from Penn State University, is set to publish a report on the “bizarre” star system suggesting the objects could be a “swarm of megastructures”, according to a new report.

I was fascinated by how crazy it looked,” Wright told The Atlantic. “Aliens should always be the very last hypothesis you consider, but this looked like something you would expect an alien civilization to build.”  

there are "aliens" among you, under the ground, around you, and working with some of the elders of every government you serve. Whose side are "they" on? Well, it depends on which side YOU are on

I guess I should say that I have a bit more healthy respect for the man [Carl Sagan] now than when I began this article. The thing that is hidden from you--is that the whole of the "hallucinations" is orchestrated.

As a witness to the "facts", I can tell you without hesitation that abductions HAVE HAPPENED. They are not, however, little aliens from out of space--they are from little aliens RIGHT ON YOUR PLANET. The stage is set and then anyone can be caused to see and experience anything that the World Controllers wish you to see and experience.

Indeed there are veritable armies of little gray clones along with some pretty formidable looking "reptilian" hybrids. This is not from outer space, however, it usually happens that they come right from Area 51 in Nevada or Northrop facilities near Palmdale, California and thus and so. No self-respecting outer space alien would get in the middle of this ridiculous game-playing. There is a massive number of aliens out here in the "spaces" and throughout the cosmos--but out here YOU are the ALIENS! NOT US.

This whole scenario of UFOs and aliens is accomplishing exactly that which is planned--programming you right into a one world order with a massive one military force objective. The EVIL is already locked onto your place and within your atmosphere--you can't really get off your planet for any distance to speak of and you must always go back to your orb for survival.

I do enjoy the "failure to find valid life in space" about as ridiculous as idiots dare to project. They put up "space monitoring stations" to pump in pulse waves at you fantasy-eyed citizens while they are doing you in and calling it scientific research for aliens. Ah, if you could but see and experience the WONDERS of the cosmos instead of being stupefied by these false speakers. God rules the wondrous universe of the cosmos--evil rules the physical planes of expression--what a sad commentary for humankind.

Yes, they are getting ready to have everyone fooled into believing there's alien life out there, and we're insignificant specs of dust in the infinite galaxy, lol.

Why would they "fool" us into thinking that there is alien life out there?  It's either there is or there isn't, it's not really a matter of "faith" that there are extraterrestrials.

Plus the government has always came off to me as being shady, in hiding some info about extraterrestrials and whoever asks about it is called a nut.  If they do find alien life out in the Milky Way, or already have, then I would imagine that they would hide that shit so quick from the general public.

Reminds me of Calvin and Hobbes.
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There are no aliens on stars in milky way, no water, not a damn thing. The astronomers/ Nasa/ Space freaks were running dry, they weren't getting funded so they had to come up with something that get people's attention and this what they came up with and now they're going to start working on programmes to send more space crafts, build more advanced radios etc. etc. and they'll get paid to live a happy rich life for another 50 years or so. And then they'll find water/aliens on some other planet.

There aren't. If the government is hiding what they think is extraterrestrial life, it's fallen angels or demons pretending to be.

http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/687/does-jesus-refer-to-aliens-in-john-1016

http://www.arn.org/docs/williams/pw_christianityspaceandaliens.htm

And this is why NASA wants people to think there's an infinite universe out there, lol.

There aren't. If the government is hiding what they think is extraterrestrial life, it's fallen angels or demons pretending to be.

Got it.  The government has huge underground salt mines, full of hundreds of thousands of demons. 

Space infinite, is not universe its multiverse.

So you really think the government is hiding extraterrestrial life?

LOL... don't like my link?


That's as fantastic as Rapture Paloozi -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjT2KD9sovU

Not a fact, a belief.

Universe is finite.  Beyond that is not defined.

It is not a proven fact. The only finite is our instruments. We cannot see beyond that and we assume that is edge.

Yes, they are getting ready to have everyone fooled into believing there's alien life out there, and we're insignificant specs of dust in the infinite galaxy, lol.

mmm i must disagree, talking about numbers, if we really think that the universe is infinite, then there is infinite possibilities that there is "aliens" out there :) and the maths will never lie :P

We're in a giant submarine, those aren't stars and planets out there it's the ceiling. There's no space, it's distilled water we're floating in. The cuddle fish has you all mesmerized with their light show.


Air breathing life is an artificial freak show, the fish are laughing and entertained. Things like fire, snow, smoking, drinking, baked goods, cars. They can't get enough of the novelty and drama here.

except the universe is finite. that aside, as large as the universe is, the possibility of extraterrestrial life is there; we as humans havent even extensively searched or even been to another galaxy yet, much less another solar system. i for one think there's alien life out there.

How can anyone have a real idea of what an alien would build or what it would look like? A simple look around this planet tells us architecture can be hard to second-guess.

well in terms of the supposed dyson sphere, theres really only 1 efficient and sensible way to go about it; youre pretty much housing a star to utilize its resources, and theres only so many engineering approaches that make sense in implementing something like that. example, youre not going to build  a triangular prism around a star, it only makes sense that a spherical-shaped structure would be used.

just judging from 1 article: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/forget-water-on-mars-astronomers-may-have-just-found-giant-alien-megastructures-orbiting-a-star-near-a6693886.html

it seems the discovery is based off of unnatural, ie man/alien made patterns.

it is actually one of the less probale hypothesis why the light intensity of KIC 8462852 has extreme dips which are not periodic.
to be precise it is about a 15-22% fluctuation, which is very unusual. a planet with the size of saturn would for example weaken the light of the sun by 1%.

as i understand right now things point to collapsed comets which produced dust and gas which weakens/weakened the sunlight instead of alien megastructures.

well in terms of the supposed dyson sphere, theres really only 1 efficient and sensible way to go about it; youre pretty much housing a star to utilize its resources, and theres only so many engineering approaches that make sense in implementing something like that. example, youre not going to build  a triangular prism around a star, it only makes sense that a spherical-shaped structure would be used.

just judging from 1 article: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/forget-water-on-mars-astronomers-may-have-just-found-giant-alien-megastructures-orbiting-a-star-near-a6693886.html

it seems the discovery is based off of unnatural, ie man/alien made patterns.

Comets cannot produce 15-22% fluctuation unless it is one million comets.

From what I understood from the article and didn't really understand about it, was how where they able to locate this sphere that completely surrounds a whole star?  Wouldn't that sphere just be "hidden" by the darkness of space, since within the inside would be the star? 

Honestly I'm just amazed how they were able to locate this thing from earth...

Comets cannot produce 15-22% fluctuation unless it is one million comets.

One or several gas clouds could cause such a fluctuation, but they would have to be orbiting the star.
 
It isn't impossible.

Such a thing would be gravitationally unstable.

I'm not sure we have a way to know if the phenomena in question is "long or short lived."  If it is long lived, then energy is being put into the system to cause it to stand against gravity.  If it is short lived, then it will stop the 22-15% variations of it's own accord, after some thousands or millions of years.

"Long lived," with energy inputs, would basically mean artificial.  Next question is whether the doppler shifts have been measured.  That will tell the orbits of the orbiting masses.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/forget-water-on-mars-astronomers-may-have-just-found-giant-alien-megastructures-orbiting-a-star-near-a6693886.html


 :o :o :o

In the near future, they also want to try and point a radio dish in the direction of the star and see if they can detect any radio frequencies that a typical advanced civilization might use.  This could be absolutely nuts if they can somehow confirm this.

This would be like a dream coming true. Imagine what this could mean if we would finally being able to prove not being the only planet with intelligent life in space.
This could be the beginning of a new era.

This would be like a dream coming true. Imagine what this could mean if we would finally being able to prove not being the only planet with intelligent life in space.
This could be the beginning of a new era.

The results from some radiometric dating methods completely undermine those from the other radiometric methods. One such example is carbon-14 (14C) dating. As long as an organism is alive, it takes in 14C and 12C from the atmosphere; however, when it dies, the carbon intake stops. Since 14C is radioactive (decays into 14N), the amount of 14C in a dead organism gets less and less over time. Carbon-14 dates are determined from the measured ratio of radioactive carbon-14 to normal carbon-12 (14C/12C). Used on samples that were once alive, such as wood or bone, the measured 14C/12C ratio is compared with the ratio in living things today.

Now, 14C has a derived half-life of 5,730 years, so the 14C in organic material supposedly 100,000 years old should all essentially have decayed into nitrogen.19 Some things, such as wood trapped in lava flows, said to be millions of years old by other radiometric dating methods, still have 14C in them.20 If the items were really millions of years old, then they shouldn’t have any traces of 14C. Coal and diamonds, which are found in or sandwiched between rock layers allegedly millions of years old, have been shown to have 14C ages of only tens of thousands of years.21 So which date, if any, is correct? The diamonds or coal can’t be millions of years old if they have any traces of 14C still in them. This shows that these dating methods are completely unreliable and indicates that the presumed assumptions in the methods are erroneous.

Similar kinds of problems are seen in the case of potassium-argon dating, which has been considered one of the most reliable methods. Dr. Andrew Snelling, a geologist, points out several of these problems with potassium-argon, as seen in table 7.22

These and other examples raise a critical question. If radiometric dating fails to give an accurate date on something of which we do know the true age, then how can it be trusted to give us the correct age for rocks that had no human observers to record when they formed? If the methods don’t work on rocks of known age, it is most unreasonable to trust that they work on rocks of unknown age. It is far more rational to trust the Word of the God who created the world, knows its history perfectly, and has revealed sufficient information in the Bible for us to understand that history and the age of the creation.

They wont be mega structures to giants..YES..GIANT ALIENS..
Not so far fetched to say they might of come from a planet 10 thousand times bigger than earth
and there species might be huge..
If you believe in the bible even that mentions giants also people reckon they have seen 2 mile space ships..
So to a giant that star might be tiny so they might use it as an energy source ..
and the mega structures could be like a petrol station you park up and fill your spaceship up with sun gas :D :D and pay with spacecrypto coin :D :D you might get a full tank for 50 spacecrypto :D :D
then off you go zooming around space again ;D
Its just a thought but a plausible one  ;D

^ don't think there is any relation between the size of a planet and the size of life that can exist there. Aliens could be giants in a small planet or microbes in a giant planet too.

@Wilikon twilight zone? That was a great episode. And a great show.

^ don't think there is any relation between the size of a planet and the size of life that can exist there. Aliens could be giants in a small planet or microbes in a giant planet too.

@Wilikon twilight zone? That was a great episode. And a great show.

unfortunately, the uneducated and ignorant masses fear what they dont know, and would rather pour money into pointless wars and the pockets of lying politicians over the space program or beneficial government programs (social security).

given the backwards trend of society i dont expect much progress to be made on the space front until aliens contact us first.

This whole article and its suggestions and conclusions are totally erroneous. They are based on a warped, inconclusive science of everything in the universe. For example. We don't even really have a clue as to how old the earth is. Carbon dating is false. From https://answersingenesis.org/age-of-the-earth/how-old-is-the-earth/:
Once you straighten science out, separating the theory and myth from reality, then you might be able to make an accurate guess about distant alien megastructures. I don't mean that the guess would be accurate as to the truth. It would only be accurate regarding guessing.

To say it simply, the whole of science on which this all is based is highly inaccurate.

:)

From what I understood from the article and didn't really understand about it, was how where they able to locate this sphere that completely surrounds a whole star?  Wouldn't that sphere just be "hidden" by the darkness of space, since within the inside would be the star?  

Your posts is not relevant to the thread. We are talking about possible alien mega structures here.

BTW, carbon 14 dating is not used to measure the age of planet earth. Because it has very short half life.

We've made huge progress in space, every decade since the 1950s, or 1930s, or 1970s, where ever you wish to put the starting point.

I'm playing with lunar maps accurate down to about one pixel per half meter....for the entire moon.  

Same thing is available for mars, but the sand moves around a bit.

Only if it were a complete sphere.  Before you build the sphere, you would first build a ring around the planet star.

Maybe we just happened to catch them in the process of building it.

There are no aliens on stars in milky way, no water, not a damn thing. The astronomers/ Nasa/ Space freaks were running dry, they weren't getting funded so they had to come up with something that get people's attention and this what they came up with and now they're going to start working on programmes to send more space crafts, build more advanced radios etc. etc. and they'll get paid to live a happy rich life for another 50 years or so. And then they'll find water/aliens on some other planet.

i agree, there are many things that can explain this,

it bothers me when I see legit science efforts junked up with stuff like this

True, but asserting that this is possibly artificial is not junk science.

A primary method of establishing that something is artificial is to look at it's level of intrinsic chaos, it's entropy.

Things in the universe tend toward low entropy.  Forces cause that - gravitational, chemical, etc.

From a long way away, looking at Earth, one can deduce that it likely contains life.  From the percentages of gases in the atmosphere.  Oxygen is reactive, so there is no natural way that an atmosphere would continue over long periods of time to contain oxygen - unless it was being renewed.  EG, plants.

Similarly, implausible blocking of 20% of a star's light periodically indicates something moving around that star, which has NOT moved to low entropy.  EG, ???

Must be some insane "bones" to be supporting weight of creatures that large given structural rigidity needs goes up by cubing for ever size doubling.

scientists are nerds and nerds want to believe in aliens. its speculation and not really science but mostly scientists like to throw provocative headlines like this out there because it can translate into funding.

scientists are nerds and nerds want to believe in aliens. its speculation and not really science but mostly scientists like to throw provocative headlines like this out there because it can translate into funding.

scientists are nerds and nerds want to believe in aliens. its speculation and not really science but mostly scientists like to throw provocative headlines like this out there because it can translate into funding.

scientists are nerds and nerds want to believe in aliens. its speculation and not really science but mostly scientists like to throw provocative headlines like this out there because it can translate into funding.

lets hope that sometime we will leave this greedy earth..  :D

lets hope that sometime we will leave this greedy earth..  :D

Intelligent Aliens are smarter than the those energy gatherers, gathering energy from a sun by placing a giant antenna around it. This proves that this story is another hoax.

Maybe (probably) not an alien structure, but maybe not a hoax either.  The original statements from the scientists involved pretty clearly did NOT state it was an alien structure, but posited that it was odd data, which COULD be such and such.

The media has blown it up into what it is now.  "Alien Cruise Ship Rocks into the Milky Way" or whatever.

Odds are it is a natural thing that science just hasn't seen before and so doesn't have a data profile to match it to to determine "this is what it is"  Lots of unknowns out there and we haven't even begun to scratch the surface, so I would expect an endless stream of "WTF is that?" type things as we poke our noses out there and stumble across things we haven't seen before.

It's obviously greedy capitalists.  Some corporation greedily taking 25% of the entire output of the star.  Think of the cold, miserable poor, left in the dark.  Who will care for them?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/forget-water-on-mars-astronomers-may-have-just-found-giant-alien-megastructures-orbiting-a-star-near-a6693886.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/forget-water-on-mars-astronomers-may-have-just-found-giant-alien-megastructures-orbiting-a-star-near-a6693886.html


 :o :o :o

In the near future, they also want to try and point a radio dish in the direction of the star and see if they can detect any radio frequencies that a typical advanced civilization might use.  This could be absolutely nuts if they can somehow confirm this.

this is really interesting exploration .. when they prove this findings belong to an advanced civilization, this world genuinely will go crazy..

yes you are right .. but you miss the some points... maybe these alliens wants to invade the earth :) who knows ? :)

Common sense dictates that if there aliens able to travel the vast distances of space to reach us, than they are so technologically advanced that we pose no threat to them if they contact us. It's like us fearing ants because they are hostile.

Common sense dictates that if there aliens able to travel the vast distances of space to reach us, than they are so technologically advanced that we pose no threat to them if they contact us. It's like us fearing ants because they are hostile.

... It's like us fearing ants because they are hostile.