Astronomers may have found alien megastructures orbiting star near the Milky Way

[BADecker]

This whole article and its suggestions and conclusions are totally erroneous. They are based on a warped, inconclusive science of everything in the universe. For example. We don't even really have a clue as to how old the earth is. Carbon dating is false. From https://answersingenesis.org/age-of-the-earth/how-old-is-the-earth/:

The results from some radiometric dating methods completely undermine those from the other radiometric methods. One such example is carbon-14 (14C) dating. As long as an organism is alive, it takes in 14C and 12C from the atmosphere; however, when it dies, the carbon intake stops. Since 14C is radioactive (decays into 14N), the amount of 14C in a dead organism gets less and less over time. Carbon-14 dates are determined from the measured ratio of radioactive carbon-14 to normal carbon-12 (14C/12C). Used on samples that were once alive, such as wood or bone, the measured 14C/12C ratio is compared with the ratio in living things today.

Now, 14C has a derived half-life of 5,730 years, so the 14C in organic material supposedly 100,000 years old should all essentially have decayed into nitrogen.19 Some things, such as wood trapped in lava flows, said to be millions of years old by other radiometric dating methods, still have 14C in them.20 If the items were really millions of years old, then they shouldn’t have any traces of 14C. Coal and diamonds, which are found in or sandwiched between rock layers allegedly millions of years old, have been shown to have 14C ages of only tens of thousands of years.21 So which date, if any, is correct? The diamonds or coal can’t be millions of years old if they have any traces of 14C still in them. This shows that these dating methods are completely unreliable and indicates that the presumed assumptions in the methods are erroneous.

Similar kinds of problems are seen in the case of potassium-argon dating, which has been considered one of the most reliable methods. Dr. Andrew Snelling, a geologist, points out several of these problems with potassium-argon, as seen in table 7.22

These and other examples raise a critical question. If radiometric dating fails to give an accurate date on something of which we do know the true age, then how can it be trusted to give us the correct age for rocks that had no human observers to record when they formed? If the methods don’t work on rocks of known age, it is most unreasonable to trust that they work on rocks of unknown age. It is far more rational to trust the Word of the God who created the world, knows its history perfectly, and has revealed sufficient information in the Bible for us to understand that history and the age of the creation.

Once you straighten science out, separating the theory and myth from reality, then you might be able to make an accurate guess about distant alien megastructures. I don't mean that the guess would be accurate as to the truth. It would only be accurate regarding guessing.

To say it simply, the whole of science on which this all is based is highly inaccurate.

[popcorn1]

They wont be mega structures to giants..YES..GIANT ALIENS..
Not so far fetched to say they might of come from a planet 10 thousand times bigger than earth
and there species might be huge..
If you believe in the bible even that mentions giants also people reckon they have seen 2 mile space ships..
So to a giant that star might be tiny so they might use it as an energy source ..
and the mega structures could be like a petrol station you park up and fill your spaceship up with sun gas and pay with spacecrypto coin you might get a full tank for 50 spacecrypto
then off you go zooming around space again
Its just a thought but a plausible one 

[Gronthaing]

^ don't think there is any relation between the size of a planet and the size of life that can exist there. Aliens could be giants in a small planet or microbes in a giant planet too.

@Wilikon twilight zone? That was a great episode. And a great show.

[StratusOakmont]

They wont be mega structures to giants..YES..GIANT ALIENS..
Not so far fetched to say they might of come from a planet 10 thousand times bigger than earth
and there species might be huge..
If you believe in the bible even that mentions giants also people reckon they have seen 2 mile space ships..
So to a giant that star might be tiny so they might use it as an energy source ..
and the mega structures could be like a petrol station you park up and fill your spaceship up with sun gas and pay with spacecrypto coin you might get a full tank for 50 spacecrypto
then off you go zooming around space again
Its just a thought but a plausible one 

The size of the Aliens does not matter. Even the aliens the size of the microbes. If they have the right technology and intelligence I think they can build a dyson sphere.

[popcorn1]

^ don't think there is any relation between the size of a planet and the size of life that can exist there. Aliens could be giants in a small planet or microbes in a giant planet too.

@Wilikon twilight zone? That was a great episode. And a great show.

We will see one day who is right.
YOUR WRONG anything possible
Planets decide what size the creatures are and who get to live on it
10k bigger than earth.. there would be bigger creatures than earth
don.t care what you say but i believe it to be true..
I know what your saying that size wont matter but 10k bigger would

[Wilikon]

^ don't think there is any relation between the size of a planet and the size of life that can exist there. Aliens could be giants in a small planet or microbes in a giant planet too.

@Wilikon twilight zone? That was a great episode. And a great show.

YES!





 

[Spendulus]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/forget-water-on-mars-astronomers-may-have-just-found-giant-alien-megastructures-orbiting-a-star-near-a6693886.html

A large cluster of objects in space look like something you would "expect an alien civilization to build", astronomers have said.  

Jason Wright, an astronomer from Penn State University, is set to publish a report on the “bizarre” star system suggesting the objects could be a “swarm of megastructures”, according to a new report.

I was fascinated by how crazy it looked,” Wright told The Atlantic. “Aliens should always be the very last hypothesis you consider, but this looked like something you would expect an alien civilization to build.”  

 

In the near future, they also want to try and point a radio dish in the direction of the star and see if they can detect any radio frequencies that a typical advanced civilization might use.  This could be absolutely nuts if they can somehow confirm this.

This would be like a dream coming true. Imagine what this could mean if we would finally being able to prove not being the only planet with intelligent life in space.
This could be the beginning of a new era.

unfortunately, the uneducated and ignorant masses fear what they dont know, and would rather pour money into pointless wars and the pockets of lying politicians over the space program or beneficial government programs (social security).

given the backwards trend of society i dont expect much progress to be made on the space front until aliens contact us first.

We've made huge progress in space, every decade since the 1950s, or 1930s, or 1970s, where ever you wish to put the starting point.

I'm playing with lunar maps accurate down to about one pixel per half meter....for the entire moon. 

Same thing is available for mars, but the sand moves around a bit.

[StratusOakmont]

This whole article and its suggestions and conclusions are totally erroneous. They are based on a warped, inconclusive science of everything in the universe. For example. We don't even really have a clue as to how old the earth is. Carbon dating is false. From https://answersingenesis.org/age-of-the-earth/how-old-is-the-earth/:

The results from some radiometric dating methods completely undermine those from the other radiometric methods. One such example is carbon-14 (14C) dating. As long as an organism is alive, it takes in 14C and 12C from the atmosphere; however, when it dies, the carbon intake stops. Since 14C is radioactive (decays into 14N), the amount of 14C in a dead organism gets less and less over time. Carbon-14 dates are determined from the measured ratio of radioactive carbon-14 to normal carbon-12 (14C/12C). Used on samples that were once alive, such as wood or bone, the measured 14C/12C ratio is compared with the ratio in living things today.

Now, 14C has a derived half-life of 5,730 years, so the 14C in organic material supposedly 100,000 years old should all essentially have decayed into nitrogen.19 Some things, such as wood trapped in lava flows, said to be millions of years old by other radiometric dating methods, still have 14C in them.20 If the items were really millions of years old, then they shouldn’t have any traces of 14C. Coal and diamonds, which are found in or sandwiched between rock layers allegedly millions of years old, have been shown to have 14C ages of only tens of thousands of years.21 So which date, if any, is correct? The diamonds or coal can’t be millions of years old if they have any traces of 14C still in them. This shows that these dating methods are completely unreliable and indicates that the presumed assumptions in the methods are erroneous.

Similar kinds of problems are seen in the case of potassium-argon dating, which has been considered one of the most reliable methods. Dr. Andrew Snelling, a geologist, points out several of these problems with potassium-argon, as seen in table 7.22

These and other examples raise a critical question. If radiometric dating fails to give an accurate date on something of which we do know the true age, then how can it be trusted to give us the correct age for rocks that had no human observers to record when they formed? If the methods don’t work on rocks of known age, it is most unreasonable to trust that they work on rocks of unknown age. It is far more rational to trust the Word of the God who created the world, knows its history perfectly, and has revealed sufficient information in the Bible for us to understand that history and the age of the creation.

Once you straighten science out, separating the theory and myth from reality, then you might be able to make an accurate guess about distant alien megastructures. I don't mean that the guess would be accurate as to the truth. It would only be accurate regarding guessing.

To say it simply, the whole of science on which this all is based is highly inaccurate.

Your posts is not relevant to the thread. We are talking about possible alien mega structures here.

BTW, carbon 14 dating is not used to measure the age of planet earth. Because it has very short half life.

[Vod]

From what I understood from the article and didn't really understand about it, was how where they able to locate this sphere that completely surrounds a whole star?  Wouldn't that sphere just be "hidden" by the darkness of space, since within the inside would be the star?  

Only if it were a complete sphere.  Before you build the sphere, you would first build a ring around the planet star.

Maybe we just happened to catch them in the process of building it.

[BADecker]

This whole article and its suggestions and conclusions are totally erroneous. They are based on a warped, inconclusive science of everything in the universe. For example. We don't even really have a clue as to how old the earth is. Carbon dating is false. From https://answersingenesis.org/age-of-the-earth/how-old-is-the-earth/:

The results from some radiometric dating methods completely undermine those from the other radiometric methods. One such example is carbon-14 (14C) dating. As long as an organism is alive, it takes in 14C and 12C from the atmosphere; however, when it dies, the carbon intake stops. Since 14C is radioactive (decays into 14N), the amount of 14C in a dead organism gets less and less over time. Carbon-14 dates are determined from the measured ratio of radioactive carbon-14 to normal carbon-12 (14C/12C). Used on samples that were once alive, such as wood or bone, the measured 14C/12C ratio is compared with the ratio in living things today.

Now, 14C has a derived half-life of 5,730 years, so the 14C in organic material supposedly 100,000 years old should all essentially have decayed into nitrogen.19 Some things, such as wood trapped in lava flows, said to be millions of years old by other radiometric dating methods, still have 14C in them.20 If the items were really millions of years old, then they shouldn’t have any traces of 14C. Coal and diamonds, which are found in or sandwiched between rock layers allegedly millions of years old, have been shown to have 14C ages of only tens of thousands of years.21 So which date, if any, is correct? The diamonds or coal can’t be millions of years old if they have any traces of 14C still in them. This shows that these dating methods are completely unreliable and indicates that the presumed assumptions in the methods are erroneous.

Similar kinds of problems are seen in the case of potassium-argon dating, which has been considered one of the most reliable methods. Dr. Andrew Snelling, a geologist, points out several of these problems with potassium-argon, as seen in table 7.22

These and other examples raise a critical question. If radiometric dating fails to give an accurate date on something of which we do know the true age, then how can it be trusted to give us the correct age for rocks that had no human observers to record when they formed? If the methods don’t work on rocks of known age, it is most unreasonable to trust that they work on rocks of unknown age. It is far more rational to trust the Word of the God who created the world, knows its history perfectly, and has revealed sufficient information in the Bible for us to understand that history and the age of the creation.

Once you straighten science out, separating the theory and myth from reality, then you might be able to make an accurate guess about distant alien megastructures. I don't mean that the guess would be accurate as to the truth. It would only be accurate regarding guessing.

To say it simply, the whole of science on which this all is based is highly inaccurate.

Your posts is not relevant to the thread. We are talking about possible alien mega structures here.

BTW, carbon 14 dating is not used to measure the age of planet earth. Because it has very short half life.

You simply don't see the relevance. Scientists are wrong about a whole lot of science here. What makes them think that they are even a little right about something that supposedly is many light years away?

This whole story is sensationalism. They need to keep people excited about something that they do. Otherwise they lose their funding.

[BADecker]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/forget-water-on-mars-astronomers-may-have-just-found-giant-alien-megastructures-orbiting-a-star-near-a6693886.html

A large cluster of objects in space look like something you would "expect an alien civilization to build", astronomers have said.  

Jason Wright, an astronomer from Penn State University, is set to publish a report on the “bizarre” star system suggesting the objects could be a “swarm of megastructures”, according to a new report.

I was fascinated by how crazy it looked,” Wright told The Atlantic. “Aliens should always be the very last hypothesis you consider, but this looked like something you would expect an alien civilization to build.”  

 

In the near future, they also want to try and point a radio dish in the direction of the star and see if they can detect any radio frequencies that a typical advanced civilization might use.  This could be absolutely nuts if they can somehow confirm this.

This would be like a dream coming true. Imagine what this could mean if we would finally being able to prove not being the only planet with intelligent life in space.
This could be the beginning of a new era.

unfortunately, the uneducated and ignorant masses fear what they dont know, and would rather pour money into pointless wars and the pockets of lying politicians over the space program or beneficial government programs (social security).

given the backwards trend of society i dont expect much progress to be made on the space front until aliens contact us first.

We've made huge progress in space, every decade since the 1950s, or 1930s, or 1970s, where ever you wish to put the starting point.

I'm playing with lunar maps accurate down to about one pixel per half meter....for the entire moon.  

Same thing is available for mars, but the sand moves around a bit.

The huge progress only came about because of the much bigger lies. While moon landings may truly have happened back in the '60s (looks like it was all a movie deception), the whole idea in the '50s was that we would have moon bases in the '70s, and we would be making trips back and forth at least weekly if not daily. It was a promise that hasn't been fulfilled yet. And by the looks of it, is was a complete deception, just to get more funding.

And here you go, trying to further the deception. Good little government agent.

[reyhiesa]

^ progress isn't as fast as most would like. Personal jetpacks, and flying cars aren't the norm yet either. So what's new? And no, the moon landings weren't faked. I agree that there is a deception in there, but that isn't it.

[Spendulus]

From what I understood from the article and didn't really understand about it, was how where they able to locate this sphere that completely surrounds a whole star?  Wouldn't that sphere just be "hidden" by the darkness of space, since within the inside would be the star?  

Only if it were a complete sphere.  Before you build the sphere, you would first build a ring around the planet star.

Maybe we just happened to catch them in the process of building it.

  No.  Materials will not form a "ring around a star."

Materials are, at scales of millions of miles, fluids.  That is why all the planets are roundular.

In turn this means that compressive forces dominate.  A "ring" around a star collapses and becomes planets, or asteroids.

But that's not what was found.  What was found was high fluctuations in light output, with a periodicity.  From that you can figure the distance it is from the star.  And basically, it is HUGE.  Think in terms of half the size of the star.

Might be a black hole or such.

[notbatman]

Once you see the light, it dawns on you. "hey somebody crafted this light", "oh WTF is this? 100% PURE HOLY WATER!".

It's amazing how much of science remains intact and useful when you sea what's really going on. It really leaves little doubt man and life on earth are an artificial creation.

This space hoax, what a joke!

[Gleb Gamow]

There are no aliens on stars in milky way, no water, not a damn thing. The astronomers/ Nasa/ Space freaks were running dry, they weren't getting funded so they had to come up with something that get people's attention and this what they came up with and now they're going to start working on programmes to send more space crafts, build more advanced radios etc. etc. and they'll get paid to live a happy rich life for another 50 years or so. And then they'll find water/aliens on some other planet.

Enormous water reservoir found in space is bigger than 140 trillion earth oceans

Okay, so no water to speak of, but still some water nonetheless. 

[cinnamon_carter]

i agree, there are many things that can explain this,

it bothers me when I see legit science efforts junked up with stuff like this

[designerusa]

I personally believe there are aliens living out in depths of sky but never thought anything like megabuild etc.
I think we should put eye on it for long, it sounds crazy interesting.
Also why would you send them radiowaves? To make them get us and enslave us?

[Spendulus]

i agree, there are many things that can explain this,

it bothers me when I see legit science efforts junked up with stuff like this

True, but asserting that this is possibly artificial is not junk science.

A primary method of establishing that something is artificial is to look at it's level of intrinsic chaos, it's entropy.

Things in the universe tend toward low entropy.  Forces cause that - gravitational, chemical, etc.

From a long way away, looking at Earth, one can deduce that it likely contains life.  From the percentages of gases in the atmosphere.  Oxygen is reactive, so there is no natural way that an atmosphere would continue over long periods of time to contain oxygen - unless it was being renewed.  EG, plants.

Similarly, implausible blocking of 20% of a star's light periodically indicates something moving around that star, which has NOT moved to low entropy.  EG,

[Wilikon]

i agree, there are many things that can explain this,

it bothers me when I see legit science efforts junked up with stuff like this

True, but asserting that this is possibly artificial is not junk science.

A primary method of establishing that something is artificial is to look at it's level of intrinsic chaos, it's entropy.

Things in the universe tend toward low entropy.  Forces cause that - gravitational, chemical, etc.

From a long way away, looking at Earth, one can deduce that it likely contains life.  From the percentages of gases in the atmosphere.  Oxygen is reactive, so there is no natural way that an atmosphere would continue over long periods of time to contain oxygen - unless it was being renewed.  EG, plants.

Similarly, implausible blocking of 20% of a star's light periodically indicates something moving around that star, which has NOT moved to low entropy.  EG,

When you are using  I start to get scared a bit. Why?
Deep inside I know we are not alone in the universe. I want to believe. But deep inside, I am a bit scared of a distant culture who turned one of our biggest fantasy into reality, like a dyson sphere. Their culture may very well be based on a predatory evolution, like us. If I can recognize it, no matter how futuristic the concept is, then it is a reflection of us, with the good and the bad.

[Bodden]

Those advance aliens will come here for sure. it is just a matter of time. Humanity should stop this useless wars we are currently on. And instead let us unite and take it to the next level. One nation one planet. If we are united and all our goal is to conquer space will be a Type 2 Cilivilization in just a matter of 50 years.

Why we are fighting over this small lands? There are limitless planets out there that waiting to be discovered.