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There's a Reddit thread about this... thought you guys would enjoy  ;D

Bitcoin tops the Wikipedia list of highest valued currency unit. This is actually a meaningless/arbitrary indicator, as it's only a matter of notation, but still this makes me smile :) What's far more important is the relative change in these values over time, and Bitcoin, in just four years, has gone from being worth far less than a penny to now over $13 USD.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest-valued_currency_unit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest-valued_currency_unit)

My comment: (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/14rz9z/i_dare_someone_to_add_bitcoin_to_the_top_of_the/c7fzzeh)

I don't know anything about editing Wikipedia... if it should have a "reference" then yes please someone put one. But absolutely it's legitimate to be in the table of currencies. The table doesn't say "only government currencies."

Well then add a reference to Mt. Gox. It definitely should be at the top of the list though. Although in terms of how large the Bitcoin economy is, many other currencies are much larger and have a much larger number of units in circulation. Of course you might say bitcoin has is divisible down to many small units, but you must keep in mind that the important thing is the value of those units proportionate to the number in circulation.

I love the "no central authority" thing

Yeah me too  ;D

Do you think "Stateless" sounds better or worse? Or "Stateless Protocol?"

I like "Stateless Protocol." Sounds like Skynet.

No.  I think stateless is largely a useless term to many people.  It could just mean that whatever it is that is stateless is still under federal guidance/regulation/authority.  Or a stateless government might mean that there are no state-like subdivisions within the governmental hierarchy.

Most here would agree with you that Bitcoin is a currency, but there may be room for discussion as to what the "base" unit is and what the relative value is of that base unit.

If the "Satoshi" (the smallest integer unit of represented value in a transaction) is considered the base unit, then calling 1 BTC a "currency unit" would be like calling a Franklin (U.S. $100 bill) a "currency unit".  They are both just names for a multiple of the base unit.

If the "Satoshi" is the "currency unit", then it doesn't belong on that list. Yet.

I'm fine with "no central authority", i was really saying that i love it.

No, it simply sounds like HTTP (to a dev's ear).

And that's exactly why it is a meaningless list, as Evorhees mentioned above.  We're only playing along with the meaninglessness of it.

Yeah, it was supposed to be a play on words.

The base unit of a dollar is a cent, but the chart doesn't utilize that unit. It is listing the nominal unit of the currency. Bitcoin may be divisible to eight decimal places, but 1 btc is the standard currency unit, just as 1 usd.

yeah. thats so grrrrrr.  8)

hey. some ashole put Cosbycoin on top. what a nonsense.

http://s14.directupload.net/file/d/3103/4vx6o43g_gif.htm

As I said, I think there is room for discussion on that.  Perhaps the Satoshi is the nominal unit, and we simply use the "Bitcoin" nickname for ease of use when we are dealing with exceptionally large quantities.  If inflation drives prices up until every thing we buy costs over 1000 USD, and we all start talking in terms of "grand", ("Sure, you can have a diet coke, that'll be 3.5 grand.") does that make the "grand" the nominal unit?

+1  :)

Speaking of Wikipedia, they have improved their tune in response to inquiries about Bitcoin donation, at least as of lately.  As a prior fiat donor to Wikipedia, I received an e-mail solicitation asking me to donate again.  Seeing it as an invitation to reply, I did.  Here's how it went.

That list isn't showing the smallest unit of other currencies.

It's a dumb page imo, and putting bitcoin at the top might be a good way to point that out, heh.

No, Satoshi is not the nominal unit just as 1 cent is not the nominal unit of a dollar. 1 bitcoin is the nominal unit. If in ten years we all talk in terms of millibits, then perhaps that page should be updated. But today, 1 btc is a clearly defined and known unit of account.

What was the forum that just recently introduced the ability to award someone "+X INTERNETS" and these would be awarded in bitcoin as increments of 0.01 BTC?

I kind of like the idea of 0.01 BTC being called "internets" in a tongue-in-cheek fashion.

To be honest, the word "bitcents" has a flaw few have probably thought about.  With the growth in 1 BTC's buying power, I am now starting to consider a coin for 0.5 BTC.  But the thought of using the word "BITCENTS" on a coin is scary in a Liberty Dollar sort of way - specifically because it contains the word "cents", a word that also is used commonly in fiat currency including US dollars.  I will not use a word containing "cents" on a coin.

http://www.reddit.com/
http://www.reddit.com/r/bitcointip/comments/13iykn/bitcointipdocumentation/

Call it 500mBTC then.

Then use the standard bitcoin denominations, 100 miliBitcoins = 0.10 cents or 10 miliBitcoins = 0.01 cent, hence 500 miliBitcoins = 0.50 cents

FTFY

I understand and agree that I could use these... I am simply proposing that I consider "Internets" to be appealing.  I am not asking for anyone to simply tell me what to use.  I asking for opinions, but am anticipating "I like/don't like because" rather than "Do this/that".

The masses will probably see an appeal in names more so than SI units.  I notice that auto manufacturers with both regular and luxury brands of cars consistently give model numbers to their luxury brands, and model names to their regular ones.  There's surely a reason for this, and I'm invoking it here.

Interesting concept, what do you have in mind?

The central authority of Bitcoin is Mathematics!

To get the value of a currency you need to multiply the value of each unit by the total amount of units in circulation.
That is the value that you need to compare in order to see how valued is a currency compared to others.
In the case of bitcoin, is immediate to know the amount of bitcoins in circulation and to multiply that by the value of each.
Altough bitcoin is very high valued in each unit, it has much less units in circulation compared to other currencies so the currency is much less valued than others.

Internets
1 Internet = 0.01 BTC

Of course, to coast on: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/you-win-the-internet

They said you win the internet, and the internet delivered.

Nicee, +10 Internets to you sir for having such a great idea :)

Edit: Now I would really enjoy a tipping bot here on the forum, or something similar, to actually send you the Internets.

I don't see "Internets" as a bad idea.  As for the 0.5 BTC coin, I'd probably just call it a "Half Bitcoin" (Like the "Half Dollar")  You are still using the largely recognized bitcoin name and clearly indicating the value.

I can imagine a lot of people people googling "what is 1 internet", and staying confused for a very long time...

Not really, if it ends up gaining widespread adoption, and the Wikipedia article for Internet ends up saying:

Well that was fun while it lasted.  :-[

Bitcoin is already difficult for non-techies to grasp, let's not add to the confusion by using a word already in very widespread use with very precise meaning (=Internet).  Grandmas and grandmas won't get the joke.

I think everyone of us, when writing here or anywhere else, calls 0.5 BTC "0.5 BTC", so therefore it should just say 0.5 BTC on the coin.  Simple as that!

I agree, I think the coin should say "0.5 Bitcoin"

Ah, it was edited out before I got a chance to see it :(

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Highest-valued_currency_unit#Bitcoin
According to latest discussion, it should be fine to have Bitcoin listed, as soon as it gets ISO code.
And it qualifies any other requirement someone makes up in future in order to have Bitcoin not listed...

Well, now we know the next step we need to accomplish! QUICK! Someone get me the phone number for the ISO!

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_symbol

Maybe someday. :)
edit: fixed  ;D

Both Bloomberg and Reuters have had coverage on Bitcoin... Seems it's just a non-reason to tell us to piss off, i wonder who's behind that... I bet they got nice money for refusing it for whatever made up reason.

I think reporting it in an "official" capacity on some market or exchange or other.  I bet they got nothin' for refusin' it.

They mean along with all the other currencies in showing live ticker prices, etc.

I should point out, that since this thread has started, someone edited that page to revert to June 10th, 2012, and Bitcoin is not represented at all.

Someone should edit it back.

I dont like "internet" as a name to define 0.01 BTC !
This does'nt fit at all in my mind !
Bitcents seems some way familliar, but dont like the link with the dollar too.. other appelation would be better in my opinion !

I agree.  Internets doesn't make much sense or appeal to anyone but the geeky crowd.

millibits makes the most sense to me, but I think a more original name (bitcoins, satoshis) would make more sense.

On a related subject, can I call 8 Bitcoins, Bytecoins?  :D

Word!

Internet as a formal name for the unit... terrible idea.

Internet as an insider casual name for the unit... no problem.

.01 btc should be called bitcents.  And 0.001 btc should be millibit, which is already widely used.

The words "cent" and "mill" are not linked to dollars or even any other currency for that matter. They are the standard terms (from Latin) for a hundredth-part and a thouandth-part, respectively, as anyone familiar with the metric system should know. For example, in gemology a cent is one hundredth of a carat, and in music a cent is one hundredth of a semitone. As far as currencies go, Wikipedia lists 50 different currencies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cent_%28currency%29#Usage) that all use the word "cent" (or a derivative of the word) to refer to a hundredth-part unit of that currency. Room for one more?

What a load of shit. The Cuba "CUC" doesn't appear to have an ISO code either, yet it remains on the list! Hmmm....

EDIT: and this is why even if Wikipedia start accepting BTC donations I still wont donate to them, because they are so god damn bias against bitcoin. First with the ponzi scheme thing and now this crap. Screw them and their little dog. They don't deserve our support.

Coins don't normally have decimals on them. How about "½ Bitcoin"?

I don't think I mean to propose it as a formal name... just a colloquial one.  Nor to replace bitcents.  The same way a "grand" is used to describe $1000, and not a kilodollar.

To the uninitiated, hearing that there is an internet currency called "internets" makes it sound like, well, the one official currency of the internet.

Will I really make coins that say "50 internets"?  Probably not, unless it's a joke (but still probably not, because I'm not into spending $2500 on a joke).  Unless of course it somehow took off on its own, which would be totally outside my control.

Ha, so the new rule caused the CUC to get yanked, then reverted with the new rule moving to the Talk page and the CUC put back in.

Of course, I don't think anyone expected this to not ruffle a few feathers.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean, but the CUC was there before, during and after Bitcoin was added.

Bitcoin is a viral phenomenon, and reddit (and 4chan) is the perfect place for a viral phenomenon to blast off. But it needs to fit into the culture, and that's where the name "internets" comes in. Now to officially call them "internets" would throw cold water on the meme; it should never look official or like it was a deliberate attempt to engineering a meme. This is simply a prediction that this meme could take off, also because eventually Bitcoin will be as beloved to the reddit community as the internet itself. It is the currency of the internet, and like the internet it is a phenomenon of natural order, growing like an intrusive vine whose tendrils inexorably burrow into establishment structures and reduce them to wreckage.

What's needed to get ISOed ?

You are right, it is meaningless indicator. More sense would have compare value of all money in market to value of all bitcoins. For example vaule of all Zimbabwe dollars and few other currencies against BTC. :)
Shame I'm too laze to do research. :(

Sign this petition (http://www.rugatu.com/questions/4377/include-a-symbol-for-bitcoin-in-iso-standard)

It was a goon.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3486823&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=262#post410553721

An admin semi-protected the page now.  No more anonymous edits at least.

Seems like we have two distinct dialogs going in this thread.

I, too, frown on the idea of using internet as a denomination, but let's explore this option a little further nonetheless. Consider the following: http://grammarist.com/usage/inter-intra/


What I envision is a class of denominations too small to be used in the real world for any country's currency, yet acceptable only via the internet. The class could be referred to as the intranets or, moreover: intranetz; intra-nets; intra-netz; intrabits; intrabitz; intra-bits; intra-bitz.

What also can be considered is the class uses a hyphenated option, and a denomination of choice uses the same word, but un-hyphenated.

Not being a wordsmith, that's the best I can do. If only I had a spotless desk, I'm sure I could have provided better advice.

~Bruno K~

As much as I like bitcoin, I must say that I find Cosby-coin trolling hilarious :D

I have restored the vandalized deletion of Wikipedia there.

This page is important because people like to know what the highest-valued currency is, to the point of asking Google via voice on their Android phones that very question.

To any Wikipedia editors reading this: Stay alert and revert any vandalism removing that information from the page.

So now it's just gone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest-valued_currency_unit

or am I looking at the wrong place..?

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Aaaand... It's gone. Again. Predictably.


See my previous comment (http://):

All of these "list of highest/lowest/cheapest ______" articles scream "original research". Obviously the list wasn't taken out of a book or from some "reliable secondary source" discussing someone else's research, so why do they even bother with the charade of requiring citations and references?  ::)

So why don't you guys intervene in the talk page and revert the undo?  Do I have to do it all by myself, and be (incorrectly) perceived as a "one-man show" as the SA goons refer to me?

No! Please just go away! Sometimes it's better to be gracious in defeat. :D

FYI: I have blatherblatherblather on ignore.

The rest of you -- that is, smart people, not idiots and sociopaths -- wise up and help by bringing both well-reasoned arguments (which won't matter at this stage, but will be highly valuable later in the process) and motions to fully-protect the page with the well-sourced content that saboteurs have been vandalizing.

I loved reading this recent exchange on the discussion page:
Comment: It's about as much of a currency as kids exchanging marbles within their circle of friends for candy. Except it's electronic data and child pornography.

Response (I assume this person is not a troll): Except bitcoin is not used exclusively to purchase child pornography or any ONE product, you can use bitcoin to purchase whatever anyone may be selling.

Bitcoin isn't used EXCLUSIVELY to purchase child pornography. Like - theoretically, in the future, someone could sell something other than child pornography. Probably a rape van, from what I learned on that discussion page. :D Ahhh........ That's not funny.

(Sorry. Assuming someone here probably wrote it. Don't mean ill and know you meant differently - just made me chuckle.)

Those are SA goons, and the person responding to the goons didn't know how to handle that (should have erased the defamatory content with the false/unsubstantiated child rape allegations).

I adde my 2 cents, replying to a request for a "source saying Bitcoin is a currency by an unbiased organization with reconized authority"

Netcoin, intercoin all sound better to my ear then internets which sound valueless/abstract like karma

In reality any currency is a group of people exchanging the units of that currency between themselves. If the marbles were really rare and they all agreed to use them as a common medium of exchange, the marbles would become a currency. The main difference between any two currencies is the size of the group of people who utilize the currencies. At what point does it go from just being a "group of friends" to a legitimate widely used currency? It would be very easy to argue that bitcoin is certainly a "legitimate" currency in that sense, because it's used by hundreds of thousands of people, maybe even millions of people, from all around the world. It's a global currency used to facilitate international exchange... if that doesn't qualify as a currency then I don't know what does. Oh right it has to be Government backed. ::)

When the drug dealer or child pornographer uses BTC to buy a loaf of bread and the baker of that bread then uses BTC to buy drugs or kiddie porn, then BTC will be a currency rather than just a proxy for fiat currencies. 

I could see that list of currencies getting nominated for deletion and getting successfully deleted simply due to the volatile nature of the exchange rate information it lists.  Lists of highly volatile figures are already unfavored because it's data with a short shelf life, detracts from Wikipedia as a whole, and that's before factoring in a paparazzi interested in promoting Bitcoin.  The more we edit war for its inclusion, the more negative attention it will attract, and the more likely the whole list soon won't exist at all.

If putting Bitcoin there results in people flocking to fight for the cause of removing it, then strategy wise, I would just leave it alone and try again in 6 or 12 months when Bitcoin is that much bigger and more well known.

+1

While it's nice when we make it on there, or as a community work to meet the "requirements" that would get us onto Wikipedia, edit wars are pointless and are at best harmful.

Yeah, it's actually pretty funny because on the Talk page it looks like this whole discussion first played out with the same results in May/June 2011...

No one reads that article anyways, and who cares if it meets some arbitrary definition or not?

If bitcoin works, then it will be used, if it does not, then it will die.

I like how Talk page changed over past few days. Massive Bitcoin discussion war. @ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Highest-valued_currency_unit#Bitcoin)

Why does the entry say that the highest value coin is 1 and the highest value bank-note is 1?  There are no "official" coins or notes and if you're going to include unofficial ones then Mike Caldwell produces coins of a much higher value than 1 BTC.

BTC was back for a split second  :-X

If one defines a key criteria for considering a currency "strong" and "serious" as its geographical reach, Bitcoin is already in the top tier for sure, with USD and EUR and Precious Metals.  Analyzed this way, it's a good rebuttal too the "circle of friends" argument, given that I'm sure no bartering instrument ever concocted by a group of friends is owned and exchanged in every country from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe.

Thus, a thought experiment on the ultimate test of "moneyness": if you were to be randomly dropped off in one of Ghana, Iceland, Mexico, Uruguay, Hong Kong, Estonia, or Australia, and you weren't allowed to carry USD, EUR, or PMs, where would a wallet full of Bitcoin rank on the list of "immediately useful money" versus all other state-sponsored currencies?  Pretty damn high, I reckon.

Your wallet full of bitcoin would be about as useful as this dude's:  http://youtu.be/H9jC0TP-Yug

It'd be a proxy for real money and I don't think this guy would make it too far in Ghana ("ugh... I can't even get a 4G signal!"), or even Mexico for that matter. 

Yep, saw that, this time as Decentralized

It would be pretty damned useless in many parts of Australia, too - only about 25% of Australia's land mass has terrestrial mobile phone coverage.

I put my opinion on the talk page for why bitcoin should be included. A lot of the people arguing against seemed to be making up requirements or just had a very poor understanding of what bitcoin is. They're on the wrong side of history.

I was surprised to see so much bitterness and resentment towards bitcoin, however. I don't know why someone could get so worked up - if you think it will fail or don't want to use it then you're completely free to not use it (unlike other currencies). I guess the hate could be a good sign though:

First they ignore you
then they laugh at you
then they fight you
then you win

I guess we're somewhere between steps 2 and 3 right now.

You must be really old. No one pays for porn any more  ::) Seriously, though, what about the people who earn Bitcoin using their web business, and then pay their software developers, and domain and VPS hosts with Bitcoin, and then those domain and VPS hosts use Bitcoin to buy their server hardware? Does that (which already happens) make BTC a currency?


Every currency in that example, including Bitcoin, would need to be exchanged to the local currency to be useful. I think the point is that it would be easier to trade it for local currency, or barter with it directly, than try to convince some random bank to accept to trade your suspicious foreign paper into local money.

Totally true. People just have a very poor understanding of cryptography, so bitcoin is like "some kind of scam" to them...


so we fight now...

I think it's now fair to say that the entire SA "group" is nothing more than a bunch of paid shills. I don’t know who they work for, but it’s obvious they have an agenda.

They attack without reason, and will do anything to have it their "way".

Guess what you moronic, narcissistic, degenerate excuse for scum.

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT YOUR WAY.

My Bitcoins are MINE, and you will never have your "way" with them... How much does that piss you tree-swinging monkeys off? That you can’t control & manipulate Bitcoin like all the other “systems” that your handlers have "blessed" us with? Does it piss you off that people are all now collectively starting to awaken to the invisible chains that you stupid neanderthals gleefully and voluntarily put on each and every single day.  

Or are you all just a bunch of sad degenerate nerds looking to ruin other peoples work, because you lack any sense of creativity or direction yourselves.

Either way it's starting to go from sad, to very very annoying...

Don't rattle a bees nest SA.... You may not like the result.

lol... I agree with you but there's no need to get so angry and frustrated, because that's exactly the response they want from you. They're playing a childrens game and the way to win is to be the more mature one. There's no need to "fight" them or get angry about this, the way of the wise will win in the end, and we wont need to do anything. Just let bitcoin take its natural course and eventually it will be impossible for them to fight against it. I agree with casascius here, we need to simply play the waiting game and try again in a few months. Partaking in a childish edit war will solve nothing. Let them have their "win" here and now, it means absolutely nothing.

Perhaps you can post it on UpTweet and it will be the first thing to ever get UpTweeted? 

they have threads like this:

https://cdn.anonfiles.com/1355684810821.png

It's pretty obvious they have an agenda, and are funded by *something* to hit their goals.

SA might be a lot closer to the fiat banking industry htan thought before .. (http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-federal-reserve-cartel-freemasons-and-the-house-of-rothschild/25179)

If they want to keep it out of the public eye as much as Possible then why not REMOVE ALL TRACES OF IT from the LARGEST encyclopedia on earth ??? See no evil, hear no evil...

Wow that's surprising... Freemasonry linked to a bunch of goon-like idiots who suppress anything that goes against the mainstream. ::)

Why would anyone pay attention to something awful anyway. I mean why even pay attention to some awful shit.  ;D

The name alone is typical of the negative sinister low-life mentality fueled by misinterpretations of Luciferianism ...

Yeah... no. They're not paid shills. They are just morons stuck in an echo chamber, who never grew out of highschool. Just think of them as the obnoxious kids from the "cool kids" table who live only to harass and annoy anyone who is different in any way, for the sole reason of getting positive feedback from their own little group. Seriously, read their forum, and you'll notice how every other post is "Haha, they are so stupid, right? Guys? Right? Yeah, I'm cool cause I think like you." It's pathetic. Want to know how the secret to beating them? Whatever they are attacking, just own it. Be proud of it and don't let them faze you. If they notice that they can't attack your weakness and can't pick on you, they'll get annoyed and move on. Also, just remember that those cool kids at school usually end up with really shitty lives. SA is no exception (crappy, dead-end jobs, living in the middle of nowhere, REALLY boring lives, and generally poor, with completely ignorant misunderstanding on business or finance. A bunch of them are Occupy types) And Bitcoin will survive without and despite them, as has everything else they ever attacked. You can laugh at them when they march around protesting about how early adopters got an unfair advantage over them.

Yeah, they totally missed out on 7% weekly returns with a guy named Pirate.  Fucking idiots.  They wouldn't even take the astute financial advice of a true captain of industry who also happens to be a Spongebob Squarepants fanatic.  Losers.  And like the morons they are, they haven't even dished out the money to preorder a BFL ASIC rig.  They don't even understand how awesome furry sodomy art is!  Goddamn it; fuck goons. 

You do realize that only a small fraction of people here invested in pirate, or preordered from BFL, right? I mean, how many people complained about losing money from pirate, and hedged with Matthew? 40? Out of 60,000 registered bitcoiners? How many preordered BFL devices are there? Maybe 275, with many people making multiple pre-orders? I suspect the ratio of Bitcoiner idiots to those who are just minding their own business, discussing things that have nothing to do with scams or general dumbfuckery, is about even with the ratio of sensible and rational goons to those who are the idiot loosers who make up the majority of that forum. Seriously, you have Three-Phase, ymgve, and maybe even greyhawk, who have some sense and understand what's going on, in a pool of retards who are all just "Bitcoin is dumb! Bitcoiners are dumb! I said what everyone else here thinks (even though I have no idea why)." F'in bunch of retards....

I'm not angry or frustrated. I know all about them.

Annoyed yes... These people are big for nothings.

They been on the net for a while so they have a bit of collective time on us.

However, everything else they have going SUCKS.

1. Site layout : vBulletin with a SHITTY 1999 AOL styled skin.
2. Crappy Originals: Flat, boring, unfunny, and overall irrelevant. I go on their site alot just to see if their main stories ever improve, and it seems like every week they go from omg not funny to just slit my wrist this shit sucks balls unfunny ( I love comedy btw, one of my favorite genres). Seriously all of their original material sucks.
3. Spammy forum: I have never seen so many people with the same exact identical opinion in my life. I can't figure out which idiot is further into the other ones ass, sorta like an endless black hole of mediocrity and overall moronity.

Or paid. Would be cool if we launched a collective investigation to see who's funding that neo-nazi (yeah I said it) group. They literally go after ANYONE, and last time I checked this isn't South Park.

Libel laws do exist.

Trust me, they wish they got paid. A lot of them are very poor. A lot are also living at home, and thus have time to dick around on the web. If they were being paid, whoever was doing it would be getting a rather shitty return for their money, as their attacks on things are largely unsuccessful, and at most just somewhat annoying. Even Anonymous, a group of unpaid volunteers, does a vastly better job at attacking things than these jokers.

You have a point :D.

These kids are like the D-List Anonymous.

No real knowledge or power, just time to kill and spew their misery.

If there are are "poor" kids in SA. I don't feel sorry for them one bit....

Get the fuck off the comedy forum, and GET A JOB.

It is safe to say that the fuel powering the malicious machinery that is SA, is quite likely "welfare".

I doubt that, too, although they DO have a huge issue with anything that resembles FY;GM, which wouldn't give them anything they feel their needs entitle them to. I'd say "I wonder why that is?" but honestly I never cared.

Too easy, don't you think?

Go read that SA thread where they engage in a circle-jerk over how badly Bitcoin sucks. See the groupthink. Then consider that's what this forum looks like to them. See what pisses you off most about what the SA folks say and do, and make sure you don't do it yourself, because that's all just primate dominance dynamics, nothing to do with actually furthering any cause beside self-aggrandization.

I don't know a ton about the SA site but I do know that they seem to be a part of a lot of internet roots. 4chan was started by people from SA for example.

Why are you talking about SA?

Someone on the talk page proposed a separate section on that wiki page for currencies without an ISO currency code. I think that's a reasonable compromise at least for the time being. If Bitcoin continues to grow in terms of awareness, adaptation, and valuation, then eventually it would be unthinkable not to include it on a list of currencies.

I also think that a well-written page on crypto/alternative currencies in general is going to do more to promote awareness of the alternatives to conventional financial systems than the whole "make them treat Bitcoin like a mainstream currency" agenda.  It's kind of like putting "Jedi" as your religion on a census form.  You might think it's cute and sticking it to the establishment in some way, but does it really do anything to promote awareness or does it make you come across as a twelve year old trying to be edgy.  Wiki wars just create the impression that people are too lazy/incompetent to write their own well-researched article and need to hijack someone else's.

Academic papers?  Changing the minds of SA goons who vandalize Wikipedia pages?

Luring women into your man cave using Pokemon cards is likely to be more effective than that.

Sorry, I feel I need to explain this statement a bit better


I don't mean that they are bad or have less worth because they are poor. I don't think someone's current net worth necessarily says much about them. My own net worth only finally went from negative to positive this September. There are plenty of examples of Mr. Douche Moneybags out there, especially from people who simply inherited their money. And there are a TON of examples of poor people busting their asses dawn to dusk to support their families and strive to get to something better. Especially in the much maligned illegal alien community. I admire those people. Specifically those with the drive to move forward, the curiosity to learn, explore, and improve their lives. The types of poor that I don't like, and that I see among a lot of SA's ranks, are the complacent kind of poor, who are poor in money, motivation, curiosity, and culture, and are comfortable where they are. They are the types who live in Small Town, Middle America, working hard, dead-end jobs, living in the middle of nowhere, and have no interest in doing anything more, or traveling outside of their town, because they "have everything they need right here." Or the types that are like that, who also are often complaining about having too little money, crappy families, and not enough to do where they're at, but yet don't bother to do anything about it. All they do is moan, but are too comfortable where they are, and too afraid to attempt to change.
Maybe I'm just biased by the few people in SA I know personally, who do actually live in those poor, uninteresting situations, but considering one of the main points of SA's ridicule is that Bitcoiners are flailing around, trying to be "Randian supermen," whom they make fun of at every opportunity whenever someone tries to throw out wild ideas for starting a business, or invests in mining equipment, while their status quo is to just be a good little 9-to-5, tax-paying, obedient citizen, it makes me think that my bias is warranted.

I'm also now fairly convinced that SA works on their own self-feeding bias. Their whole point is to laugh at other's expense, so the only links that end up on their forums are ones some members track down about someone failing miserably. And sure, we have people like logansryche and others who may not be all right in the head, had a few people who did blow a ton of money on mining equipment at precisely the wrong time because they didn't bother doing their finance homework, and had idiots investing tons of money in things that were obviously too good to be true. If that's all you ever read when on that forum (and it usually is, since that's the point of it), then you would obviously have a pretty bad view of Bitcoin and bitcoiners, while completely missing that a majority here does have good business ideas (or are at least willing to risk and learn from mistakes), did run the math and are making actual profits on mining, and don't invest in stupid scams. Most just stay quiet, some ridicule the same people SA does.
One quote I remember best from one of my teachers - "If you get cut off by people in traffic, you will just assume "bad driver" and carry on. If you are told that Asians are bad drivers, and then you get cut off by people in traffic, you will actually look to see if the person is Asian, and validate your own prejudice that "Asians are indeed bad drivers, or ignore it if they aren't. That's how racism works - it's a self-feeding loop" We're all likely guilty of that at some level.
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TL;DR "I don't hate poors; I just hate the bad kind of poors."

The latter part of your post reminded me of 1984, quoted below in bold: http://douglassocialcredit.com/resources/resources/fromm_erich_afterword_%20to_%20george_orwell.pdf

https://soundcloud.com/borderview/my-bitcoins-are-mine-featuring

I don't think trolling is allowed on this board.

Now that BTC is listed by http://www.oanda.com/currency/converter/ perhaps it's time to revisit this talk page since "it isn't listed on sites like xe.com" was one of the issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Highest-valued_currency_unit