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I'm not sure what you want to debate here.  It is rather obvious.

To anyone who says it is a religion of peace, just draw a drawing of a prophet Mohammed raping a 9 year child. See what happens next.

Islam is a religion of piece, piece of you here and another piece over there.

This is the debate topic.  Is Islam a Religion of Peace?  I am not starting a poll, because I want the matter determined by clear logic, not by numbers.  And not by quotes of old books. 

Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee8f8nWVWZA

This is the debate topic.  Is Islam a Religion of Peace?  I am not starting a poll, because I want the matter determined by clear logic, not by numbers.  And not by quotes of old books. 

Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee8f8nWVWZA

it is not peaceful and can never be made peaceful, the koran is god's final revelation to mankind and nothing in islam is allowed to be changed or modernised. when moderate muslim leaders try and bring progress to their countries for example afghanistan, iraq, libya, syria, they are taken down by traditionalists.

Please stay on topic.  Christianity and other religions that is all other topic all together.

Pay attention.  We don't need diversions.

Post why do you think Islam is (or not) a religion of peace.

Thanks.  I agree.  This alone is a very interesting subject because of the huge apparent gap between the repeated claims of "Islam is peace" and the reality.

In my opinion, all religions are religions of peace.....

And so were Christians 700 years ago...

Again just a question of maturation, so your "can never be made peaceful" is irrelevant.

Christianity was finally transformed, but it took 1700 years to do so.

Prove it.  Some religions actually are religions of peace, such as the Christian Quaker sect.  Others are not the same.

It is a logical error to claim they are the same, is it not?  And we know that different sects of Islam teach wildly different behavior.  Again, they are not the same.

Here is my proof:
http://www.worldprayerfoundation.com/resources/World%20Scriptures.pdf (http://www.worldprayerfoundation.com/resources/World%20Scriptures.pdf)
Read it and you will understand my opinion that all religions are religions of peace.

This is trick question, maybe they were 100 years before.
But today they preaching jihad and war.
And all that with great support from US..I don't want to remind you who gave  Saddam Hussein a chemical weapons ,and who created Al Qaeda..

Definitely.  A common belief in myths was what allowed Homo Sapiens form larger social groups and helped them survive and kill much larger animals.
Strangers were more willing to co-operate with other strangers because they had a common myth and goal in life.

Religion and myths were later codified into laws that governed these bands of (1000-5000 apes).

Religion/Myths were critical in genocide of Neanderthals and other subspecies of our genus. Unfortunately for Neanderthals, who lived in small "family and close friends" bands of 50-100 apes, despite of being physically stronger they were no match against smaller, smarter hordes of our ancestors.

A single Neanderthal could take on 5-10 smart apes, but with 100+ to 1 ratio, they did not stand a chance.

Religion played a key role in our past, whether we agree with it or not.  However, scientific revolution of the last 400 years completely eliminated the need for it.
Every new scientific discovery puts another nail in the coffin of religion.

Today's apes are way smarter than the ones that beat the Neanderthals.  We are slowly becoming Gods of the past.

AI will finish the job, IMHO.

Who did that?

Sometimes I like to play this thought experiment about living in the past a minority.

Assume you are a minority and someone says you will travel back in time to live out the rest of your life. The time frame you will be living in is 660-1700c.e (Islam's Golden Days). You, as a minority, would plead and beg to live in a land governed by muslims.

The Quran is very clear "There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion."

The muslim rulers implemented this "hands off" approach when it can to people's personal lives because it is strictly FORBIDDEN to compel someone to believe anything by force. If you study the muslim style of government you might be very surprised by what you learn.



Sure, most of the middle east and muslim lands look pretty awful today. They are not backward because of their religion. They are backward DESPITE their religion.

And how did we get the food.  Go to the supermarket?  Sapiens expansion out of Africa and genocide of other hominids is well documented.  google it.

Read a book or two.  

Try this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Sapiens-Humankind-Yuval-Noah-Harari/dp/0062316095/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455315855&sr=8-1&keywords=brief+history+of+human (http://www.amazon.com/Sapiens-Humankind-Yuval-Noah-Harari/dp/0062316095/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455315855&sr=8-1&keywords=brief+history+of+human)

The same way Muslims in UK or Indonesia "feel the pain" of the Palestinians and want to kill the Jews.  Same idea.  They share the same myth and are willing to co-operate.  Without that myth they would never even think twice about it.

Imagine how far fetched were the Christian crusades.  Do you think people would participate in them if it was not for the myth?

Or a modern religion of "nationalism and patriotism", same thing, people are willing to die for the myth, send their own children to die for the "cause".

But we are getting off topic.

The same way Muslims in UK or Indonesia "feel the pain" of the Palestinians and want to kill the Jews.  Same idea.  They share the same myth and are willing to co-operate.  Without that myth they would never even think twice about it.

Imagine how far fetched were the Christian crusades.  Do you think people would participate in them if it was not for the myth?

Or a modern religion of "nationalism and patriotism", same thing, people are willing to die for the myth, send their own children to die for the "cause".

But we are getting off topic.

....The same way Muslims in UK or Indonesia "feel the pain" of the Palestinians and want to kill the Jews.  Same idea.  They share the same myth and are willing to co-operate.  Without that myth they would never even think twice about it.

Imagine how far fetched were the Christian crusades.  Do you think people would participate in them if it was not for the myth?

Or a modern religion of "nationalism and patriotism", same thing, people are willing to die for the myth, send their own children to die for the "cause".

But we are getting off topic.

The same way Muslims in UK or Indonesia "feel the pain" of the Palestinians and want to kill the Jews.  Same idea.  They share the same myth and are willing to co-operate.  Without that myth they would never even think twice about it.

Imagine how far fetched were the Christian crusades.  Do you think people would participate in them if it was not for the myth?

Or a modern religion of "nationalism and patriotism", same thing, people are willing to die for the myth, send their own children to die for the "cause".

But we are getting off topic.

You completely misunderstood.  I meant people are willing to send their own children to die and die themselves VOLUNTARILY for a common myth.  If you don't believe me, ask Palestinian mothers who send their own children to die in suicide attacks and are proud of it. Or ask some Americans why they are sending their 18 yr olds to die in Iraq.  US does not have a draft right now.  Many of these kids are killed or maimed because they bought into the patriotism myth.


I disagree.  For example if you look how Muslims come out to defend their religion (a common goal) regardless of the validity of the criticisms.  They come out to support "their brothers and sisters".  Despite of the fact that the leader of their religion was a pedophile as documented in their own scripture.  If you tell me that the same people would give a flying puck about terrorists and rapists if it wasn't for their delusion (aka religion), then I have the Brooklyn bridge for sale.

The religions first unite people then control what they think and do.

If you and few other, smarter apes got together and started thinking: "well guys we cannot chase that Mastodon, we cannot capture it by ourselves, how about we talk to these guys on the other side of the river or a mountain, but how can we convince them it is a good idea?  Think, think....Oh I know, how about we tell them the bright light in the sky told us and we are just relying the message, yeah, that is right, I think I heard the light talking to me too....etc  Ok, we'll tell them that if they don't help us, they will have no light on their side of the river.  They went, the other guys co-operated, the myth was born.  If they did not co-operate, they've made an example out of them, same outcome, the myth was born because some other guys behind the mountains heard about the plague of the light circle. etc., etc."

Probably.  If you were not in my band, you were one of "them", a fair game.

Xenophobia is still popular in come cultures ;).

Probably.  If you were not in my band, you were one of "them", a fair game.

Xenophobia is still popular in come cultures ;).

more so than popular, i think it might be accurate to say that its integral to some cultures. people dont really take up to xenophobia like a fad or something, its just there.

Islam is a belief system that historically has been very tolerant because it teaches its' adherents to tolerate and protect people of other faiths.

The record of muslim/jewish relations is very well documented and known. Jews were expelled from Jerusalem in 72 c.e. by the Romans. They were not allowed to re-settle in Jerusalem until Umar (the Prophet's companion and 2nd Caliph) conquered Jerusalem and allowed them back.

Jewish life in the middle ages under muslim rule was one of general tolerance and respect. Every time the Crusaders over took Jerusalem there would blood in the streets and only when the muslims re-took possession did all three faiths live together somewhat harmoniously.

Remember the "re-conquest of Spain"...where did the Jews go for safety? England? Germany? Nope...the Ottoman Empire dispatched their navy to bring jews into Ottoman lands. I had the great pleasure to visit synagogs built by MUSLIM Ottomans in Sarajevo for Jews fleeing persecution from Spain. Maimonides, a great Jewish philosopher and polymath, lived and thrived in Muslim Spain.  

We forget that Christian Europe was were Jews were severely oppressed...muslim never had a history of pogroms. Nazi Germany was the white, protestant, western, and industrial country that committed the horrendous Holocaust.

All this needs to be taken to into account when evaluating the current problem between Jews and Muslims. One has to ask, did the Islamic religion or Islamic beliefs change 180 degrees in the past 70 years? Were the muslims reading a different Quran for 1300 years while they peacefully co-existed with their Jewish cousins?

The current problem between Jews and Muslims rests solely on the declaration of the state of Israel in 1948. Land, resources, and the displacement of the indigenous Arab population is the root cause of the current crises between the two parties. The myth of "they've hatted each other for 100's of years" only holds weight for someone who has not opened or read a history book.

The current problem between Jews and Muslims rests solely on the declaration of the state of Israel in 1948. Land, resources, and the displacement of the indigenous Arab population is the root cause of the current crises between the two parties. The myth of "they've hatted each other for 100's of years" only holds weight for someone who has not opened or read a history book.

The record of muslim/jewish relations is very well documented and known. Jews were expelled from Jerusalem in 72 c.e. by the Romans. They were not allowed to re-settle in Jerusalem until Umar (the Prophet's companion and 2nd Caliph) conquered Jerusalem and allowed them back.

To set the record straight it was the Greeks who started the expelling before the Romans ;)

And when all those lands were under people like Gadafi,Husein,Asad there was peace and tolerance let say non violent also in Iran while Sah Pahlavi was there and  suddenly after their fall radical islam shows and rise up.

In every society you have radical elements.
Especially in Islam they are very fertile ground , in many cases those are very poor people.
 Joining groups they finally have acceptance and find themselves useful.
Also by this way they provide security and existence for family, which is ery sad.
For someone to live someone else must die!?

i dont know it....but there is total unrest in the world caused by people belonging to that religion...so cant say anything!!

Yeah, over 100 verses that call to violence. Religion of peace - right.

I'm thinking the quotes in Quran are part of the problem.  We have to ask ourselves why Muslims use them to commit violence.  Christians and Jews have similarly violent quotes in their holy books, but somehow we see less religion inspired violence from those cults.

Maybe it is the Jihadist, sharia law ideology in this holy book that gives Muslims an excuse to commit more violent acts. 

That is what you think but unfortunately that is not a reality.  I thought we already went through that argument in other threads.  No point to rehash the quotes and the contemporary examples of Christian inspired violence here. 

I'm curious as to why Muslims are more inclined to commit violence.  I'm sure Quran has nice "turn the other cheek", "help your brothers and sisters" quotes as well.  Maybe some Muslim members here can provide examples of nice quotes from Quran.  I have no desire to go through this vile book again....

That is what you think but unfortunately that is not a reality.  I thought we already went through that argument in other threads.  No point to rehash the quotes and the contemporary examples of Christian inspired violence here.  

I'm curious as to why Muslims are more inclined to commit violence.  I'm sure Quran has nice "turn the other cheek", "help your brothers and sisters" quotes as well.  Maybe some Muslim members here can provide examples of nice quotes from Quran.  I have no desire to go through this vile book again....

I think some are peaceful and open minded and others are extreme and closed minded.

Islam or any other beliefs are not way to reach peace at all.
They will always reach one point so save its believers but kill its non believers.
It is truth for every religion. Sorry.

The problem is that the "peaceful and open minded" types, who claim that they constitute the majority of the Muslims, don't condemn the actions by their "extremist and close-minded" coreligionists. In the end, it is the silence by the majority which makes it impossible to prevent the terrorist activities by the fringe elements.

Muslims don't criticize obvious problems with their religion because any criticism is punishable by death.
This religion will have a hard time reforming itself.

Try to draw a picture of Mohammad raping a 9 yr old child.

What I'm not getting is why Western countries succumb to their demands for irrational behavior by openly not criticizing their religion.  Obama cannot even admit it is a problem. 

How can you reform this religion if you don't even admit there is a problem?


 

Both Saddam Hussein and Bashar al Assad were a part of the Arab nationalist Ba'áth party. Gaddhafi also was a proponent of Arab nationalism. They gave importance to Arab supremacy, and suppressed Islamic nationalism. Christian Arabs used to play an important role in the Ba'áth party and even now they are quite powerful.

Prove it.  Some religions actually are religions of peace, such as the Christian Quaker sect.  Others are not the same.

It is a logical error to claim they are the same, is it not?  And we know that different sects of Islam teach wildly different behavior.  Again, they are not the same.

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"Political Islam" is an empty shell that uses religious terminology as political slogans. What you see is very similar to the reformation Christianity under went in Europe...every man thinks they have the right to interpret the religion how they see fit and is willing to kill anyone who opposes them, be they muslim or not.....

yes , i agree with you.. not all the religions are peaceful, some of then even let people make war... this is so illogical..

But if the religion Islam itself proposes and requires as a goal Islamic theocracy, then you can neither shrug off "political Islam" as an empty shell, nor consider it as separate from Islam itself.

Like it or not, it is what it is.

I conclude that political manifestations related to Islam are Islam itself.  Is any other interpretation possible?  You can't just pick and choose what goes in the "Islam" box and the "Not Islam" box to reach any desired conclusions.

One should wonder why it is called "religion of peace"... and why no other religion is called that way.
It's simply wishful thinking, hoping someone will believe it.

My cat is very peaceful, and yet, I don't call him "cat of peace". Because it's not needed to make people believe it.

One should wonder why it is called "religion of peace"... and why no other religion is called that way.
It's simply wishful thinking, hoping someone will believe it.

My cat is very peaceful, and yet, I don't call him "cat of peace". Because it's not needed to make people believe it.
Dogs on the other hand often bite people, and yet dog owners feel the need to keep telling people it won't harm them.

Orwell maybe.  You know:  War is peace, Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength etc.

it does have an Orwelian twist: Islam is peace, you have to scrap the bottom of the barrel to get to the peace part, or
maybe it means: It will be peace once everyone submits to it.  I think maybe that is the true meaning of this phrase.

Islam like any other religion is a religion of peace.
But world wide most of the people consider Islam just opposite to it. No religion on this earth teaches violence or hatred.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_of_Peace

"Religion of Peace" is a political neologism used as a description of Islam. After the September 11, 2001 attacks, some politicians described Islam as a "religion of peace" in an effort to differentiate between Islamic terrorists, Islamism, and non-violent Muslims

So it appears the very phrase never was definitional of Islam, as it came into use AFTER 9/11 and in a politically driven context of historical revisionism. 

If for example, Mohammed had said those exact words, or some that reasonably well translated to that, that would be something all Muslims would defend.  Same if the Koran said those exact words.  My understanding is that they DO NOT.

Hence I'm back to thinking the very question "Is Islam a religion of peace," is in fact a good question to be debated.  It would appear that a devout Muslim would be permitted to say "No," to the question. 

or
maybe it means: It will be peace once everyone submits to it.  I think maybe that is the true meaning of this phrase.

Aren't they also killing their own, because they believe a fraction different than the rest? Lovely peace they have!

I find the most retarded reason to kill someone is for religion. I believe those people are specially retarded today.

And ironically most of the deaths have been caused by religion since the beginning of time.

Maybe we should ask boko haram for opinion about peace?

Amazing how they love guns and knives ;D

And ironically most of the deaths have been caused by religion since the beginning of time.

if we can understand what is islam mean we will see islam is a religion of peace.

So why can't we understand as someone else who sees it as a peaceful religion does? but I think we all see how it is.

if we can understand what is islam mean we will see islam is a religion of peace.

Sorry, but which part of "Submit or die" you don't understand.  Islam means "submit to Allah".  Jihad is the missionary: "or die" part.

Yes but today science has evolved as much, natural things like thunderstorm, solar and lunar eclipse and all of those things could be explained by science, so today to kill someone for religion is stupid. You can't compare humanity of today with the humanity of a couple hundred plus years ago...

Religion has nothing to do with science though... Religion now is exactly the same as it was 1000 years ago.

Yes, Islam is basically a religion of peace but some extremists whose needs are not meant either politically or religiously resort to extreme measures, this is the minority of people I am talking about not all the people of Islam followers.

This minority of people should not overwhelm your judgement of the muslim community as a whole, it is pure ignorance to judge the whole community by someone else's actions. But unfortunately this type of mis-judgement is only happening everyday all over the world.

Religion has nothing to do with science though... Religion now is exactly the same as it was 1000 years ago.

If you look at every religion there is social unrest somewhere along the lines but overall there is peace in all religions, Islam is just one which happens to be in the limelight right now.

That would depend on whether that militant minority was supported by a fair fraction of the total community.  This is like saying "Should we judge a 70 year old Muslim lady because a 34 year old Muslim from her town blows up a cafe full of innocent tourists?"

Yes, if she supports his efforts.

Yes, judge the entire town, if they support his efforts.

One more time.

No, there is not "peace in all religions."

If so then a religion that required human sacrifice or cannibalism would be a religion of peace.

It's more like no religion is a religion of peace....

Cause cannibalism is also in the Bible and the Torah as it's in the old testament. Not sure for the human sacrifice though ^^

What's actually happened is that we've exterminated all the truly violent and horrible religions, such as those that engaged in human sacrifice.  But then it can't be said that "religion is peace."  Because we are exterminators. 

Yes but today science has evolved as much, natural things like thunderstorm, solar and lunar eclipse and all of those things could be explained by science, so today to kill someone for religion is stupid. You can't compare humanity of today with the humanity of a couple hundred plus years ago...

It usually if you truly believe it. Some people don't find Christianity to harvest that kind of quality. Same goes for being agnostic or atheist. It all depends on how the beholder sees it.

I think it is.. I'm sure it is. Every religion ought to be. Every God ideation ought to be peaceful. Perhaps it's how other Muslims live it out or the way other people sees Islam that makes the picture of peace in Islam obscured.

i dont think so.. every religion is a composed of brutal ideas over killing one another...

Some more than others.  But there is no basis for believing or claiming that all religions are equally peaceful.  That's crazy talk.

Offhand if I was to rank some relgions as most peaceful to most violent....

buddist
hindu
christian
muslim

Bernard Lewis presents some of his conclusions about Islamic culture, Shari'a law, jihad, and the modern day phenomenon of terrorism in his text, Islam: The Religion and the People.[40] He writes of jihad as a distinct "religious obligation", but suggests that "it is a pity" that people engaging in terrorist activities are not more aware of their own religion:

Muslim fighters are commanded not to kill women, children, or the aged unless they attack first; not to torture or otherwise ill-treat prisoners; to give fair warning of the opening of hostilities or their resumption after a truce; and to honor agreements. ... At no time did the classical jurists offer any approval or legitimacy to what we nowadays call terrorism. Nor indeed is there any evidence of the use of terrorism as it is practiced nowadays."[41]

In Lewis' view, the "by now widespread terrorism practice of suicide bombing is a development of the 20th century" with "no antecedents in Islamic history, and no justification in terms of Islamic theology, law, or tradition."[42] He further comments that "the fanatical warrior offering his victims the choice of the Koran or the sword is not only untrue, it is impossible" and that "generally speaking, Muslim tolerance of unbelievers was far better than anything available in Christendom, until the rise of secularism in the 17th century."[43]

-From Wikipedia

By the way..Bernad Lewis is a British-American orientalist who is considered one of the West's leading experts.

technically they are not a theistic religion, but they also believe in some batshit crazy stuff like reincarnation, super powers etc.  So they are similar to other religions.

But if you go by the number of people killed in the name of their religion, I think the order is correct.

No offense to muslims here. If Islam is a religion of peace then why middle east is a well-known Islam region in the world. Then why there is always war between them? Brothers against brothers of them then separating of their religion with the government, if they want peace then they must be pro-government

That's a very good question. Also no offense.

What choice do they have?

If you lived in Syria... How would you fix the government?

If America was in chaos... Could/would you do anything about it?

I don't think it has anything to do with religion, though you could argue that since America is a secular government, and do not allow religious laws...

It's true that people have no choice. But also they are indoctrinated so when they do escape they keep that mentality.

I am descended from practitioners of a religion that does not exist today, but those practitioners engaged in human sacrifice.  Therefore you are wrong. 

Perhaps what you mean to say is that "The religions left existing today, after we exterminated the other ones, all profess to be peaceful religions?"

But that is in itself an admission of religions being violent.

This may be of interest -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence

I am descended from practitioners of a religion that does not exist today, but those practitioners engaged in human sacrifice.  Therefore you are wrong. 

Perhaps what you mean to say is that "The religions left existing today, after we exterminated the other ones, all profess to be peaceful religions?"

But that is in itself an admission of religions being violent.

This may be of interest -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence

My Arabic speaking friend told me that world Islam itself means "PEACE"

No offense to muslims here. If Islam is a religion of peace then why middle east is a well-known Islam region in the world. Then why there is always war between them? Brothers against brothers of them then separating of their religion with the government, if they want peace then they must be pro-government

In the middle ages, everyone were frequently involved in warfare and looting. Even the majority Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist nations were constantly involved in warfare against each other. But the difference is that, as the industrial revolution kicked in, these countries became more and more pacifist. Their war-monger character was replaced by a more pacifist thinking. This transformation never occurred in the Muslim world.

WW1, WW2, cold war with all their proxy wars.
I think in the last century more people then ever died since human history in the same timeframe.

And that was pretty much caused alone by western countries.

US leads EU to war with muslims. Only good explanation for all this..
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/607158/World-War-3-Experts-raise-fears-migrant-crisis-could-lead-to-catastrophic-scenario

In the middle ages, everyone were frequently involved in warfare and looting. Even the majority Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist nations were constantly involved in warfare against each other. But the difference is that, as the industrial revolution kicked in, these countries became more and more pacifist. Their war-monger character was replaced by a more pacifist thinking. This transformation never occurred in the Muslim world.

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My Arabic speaking friend told me that world Islam itself means "PEACE". and besides this I myself believe that all religions guide and emphasize on PEACE and it is Human beings who change religions some times for their self benefits which makes others think negative about certain religions.

MAY confuse cause and effect.  Before the industrial revolution, the way to get loot was to take it - zero sum game.  After, the way was to create it.   A prime reason for war went away.  And in the Muslim world - why?

Either it was a question of basic ability, or of cultural imperatives.
Were they too ignorant?  Too dumb?  Did they shy away from industrialization?  Like American Indians that would not use a wheel? 

But even today we see this.  What industry is in Palestine?  What have any of us ever bought that came from there?  What have you bought that came from Egypt?  Syria?  Jordon?  Pakistan?

That's likely a key question.

WW1, WW2, cold war with all their proxy wars.
I think in the last century more people then ever died since human history in the same timeframe.

And that was pretty much caused alone by western countries.

But even today we see this.  What industry is in Palestine?  What have any of us ever bought that came from there?  What have you bought that came from Egypt?  Syria?  Jordon?  Pakistan?

This what happens when the sole meaning of "education" is "religious education". Most of the Muslims study religion for 6 or 7 hours a day, and study science and other subjects for at the most 1 or 2 hours. That means that their skills are not as good as individuals hailing from other cultures. They are not capable of innovation, and not suitable for skilled labor.

Yeah for sure, nothing to do with wars instability revolutions...

All religions have their god in the world of Islam is very different from them, because I am the primary reason for this is not the religion of peace, which some people are against peace

It certainly is possible for a religion to cause a people to exist perpetually in dire poverty.

The same stands true for most of the major religions. But in case of Islam, the problem is very much evident. Has anyone ever thought what would have happened to the Muslim nations, if there were no oil / gas reserves? The OPEC nations in the Gulf region, such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar are subsidizing the other Muslim nations such as Pakistan and Bangladesh. Without the oil money, these nations will disintegrate.

Without the oil and gas reserves, the world would have left the muslim nations to fight amongst themselves and disintegrate.
The world might have been a safer place to live in.

Nope. All of religions are religion of peace until chaotic persons used them to confuse the minds of people.

Without the oil and gas reserves, the world would have left the muslim nations to fight amongst themselves and disintegrate.
The world might have been a safer place to live in.

Better late than never. The crude oil prices have fallen to $30 per barrel from the 2014-levels of $110 per barrel. The price of natural gas, which was going at $400 per thousand cubic meters is now fluctuating between $140 and $150 per thousand cubic meters. Soon the monetary reserves built by the Arab nations will run out. And along with that, their negative influence over the world will also wane.

Oil prices are low and that should drive this economy with cheap gas but it doesn't.... how bad is this economy then?

Oil prices are low and that should drive this economy with cheap gas but it doesn't.... how bad is this economy then?

Low oil and energy prices are said to be great for the consumer, but bad for the stock market.

Low oil and energy prices are said to be great for the consumer, but bad for the stock market.

This is the debate topic.  Is Islam a Religion of Peace?  I am not starting a poll, because I want the matter determined by clear logic, not by numbers.  And not by quotes of old books. 

Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee8f8nWVWZA

islam is the religion of brutal crimes not a peaceful  religion...

This is the debate topic.  Is Islam a Religion of Peace?  I am not starting a poll, because I want the matter determined by clear logic, not by numbers.  And not by quotes of old books. 

Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee8f8nWVWZA

islam is religion of peace,in islam rule war is not first option,its a final option if any way has been done. all people learn peace and make people comfort,i think they who hate peace is not from islam.

islam is the religion of brutal crimes not a peaceful  religion...

Even though I'm not a mulsim, please don't generalize all of the worshippers because people with corrupt minds are the only one who start a war.

“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.”

Absolutely YES!  Because Kuran never advices killingot torturing human or animals. Advices helping to people.

I say no because at its core its not. Profit Muhammed was a warlord. He killed everyone that apposed his beliefs. He raped and married 10 year old girls. If this the profit that islam is modeled after then, NO islam is not peacful

You made me laugh with your word "Profit" instead of prophet but I agree with this, and she married and raped many girls in the long run so he is surely a false prophet that is teaching war not peace and god not God so mostly muslims were not peaceful

History contradicts your claim. At least during the middle ages, Islam has widely used warfare as a means to subjugate non-Islamic people. The examples are the Indian subcontinent, Indonesia, Maghreb, Middle-East, and the Balkans. In all these regions, Muslims attacked the non-Muslims without any provocation, and subjugated them.

Yeah but it's the case with every religions. All religions rely on wars to convert the infidels Coleman you know?

I read in Bible vulgarity is prohibited in Christianism but we all know how vulgar(nudism) we are but still christian so it means Christianity is a religion of vulgarity?It teach us to go nude & fuck everyone?No its not teaching of bible if we are doing wrong how can we blame religion.Every religion exists is for human welfare.No one order to kill other religion followers.
Just show me a single verse from Quran which order its followers to kill innocent people even in state of war.

I read in Bible vulgarity is prohibited in Christianism but we all know how vulgar(nudism) we are but still christian so it means Christianity is a religion of vulgarity?It teach us to go nude & fuck everyone?No its not teaching of bible if we are doing wrong how can we blame religion.Every religion exists is for human welfare.No one order to kill other religion followers.
Just show me a single verse from Quran which order its followers to kill innocent people even in state of war.

A real muslim helps people
A real muslim  can't persecute human and animal
A real muslim protects nature
A real muslim keeps his/her promise
A real muslim never deceives
A real muslim never kills except war
A real muslim can't lie
A real muslim can't be lazy
A real muslim can't drink alcohol or use drugs
A real muslim can't make adultery
A real muslim can't breake heart
A real muslim should be always reliable
A real muslim prays for humanity
A real muslim exactly knows that Allah watches his/her treatments
A real muslim believes in life after death and live up to it.
A real muslim  can't play gamble
A real muslim advices good
A real muslim can't be silent against to cruelty
A real muslim helps to eppresseds
A real muslim knows, that world life is an examination only
To be A real muslim is very difficult but to be a real muslim is a sample person among people.
By being a real muslim, you live your life happy and after death a real happiness begins
Only satan can hate a real muslim.

Where are the Muslims to criticize ISIS and Saudi Arabia murder in the name of Islam?

You live in denial.  Where are the Muslim anti-ISIS demonstrations?

You made me laugh with your word "Profit" instead of prophet but I agree with this, and she married and raped many girls in the long run so he is surely a false prophet that is teaching war not peace and god not God so mostly muslims were not peaceful

This is the debate topic.  Is Islam a Religion of Peace?  I am not starting a poll, because I want the matter determined by clear logic, not by numbers.  And not by quotes of old books. 

Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee8f8nWVWZA

Watch this video before you talk about Islam:

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They just don't have what other to do..
Thay just have enormous population growth.
Little story;
First son will inherit house, second will get cow, and third will get gun and bomb(He has nothing else to do).

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If they can kill one of their own?
What do you think?

Only those who accepting islam as heritage and culture can be considered as peaceful Islamic people but they already live already in Sweden or US..

Do you believe that those Muslims living in Sweden and the United States are peaceful? In the US, that might be true, but the situation is exactly the opposite in Sweden and the other Scandinavian countries. A huge majority of the rapes and violent crime in Sweden are being committed by Muslim immigrants, despite making less than 10% of the total population.

It interesting how certain things are always done by certain ethnic groups, no?

In America, doctors get big money to do this. Called abortion.    8)

BS. They don't stand on top of dead children here. Abortion is something else...

Do you believe that those Muslims living in Sweden and the United States are peaceful? In the US, that might be true, but the situation is exactly the opposite in Sweden and the other Scandinavian countries. A huge majority of the rapes and violent crime in Sweden are being committed by Muslim immigrants, despite making less than 10% of the total population.

Elect someone who can fix the problem.

Every religion teach peace, none encourage violence. In such a manner if only religion is considered Islam is a religion of peace. If you are about the people following Islam, then it can be segregated as 75% run favour of making peace and the remaining 25% will be interested in violence.

Every religion teach peace, none encourage violence. In such a manner if only religion is considered Islam is a religion of peace. If you are about the people following Islam, then it can be segregated as 75% run favour of making peace and the remaining 25% will be interested in violence.

Every religion teach peace, none encourage violence. In such a manner if only religion is considered Islam is a religion of peace. If you are about the people following Islam, then it can be segregated as 75% run favour of making peace and the remaining 25% will be interested in violence.

I disagree.  You are not following Islam.  You are peaceful despite of Islam not because of it.
You are just a good person, and Islam has nothing to do with it.  

You ignore violent Jihadist teachings, crazy, violent Sharia law rulings because you are a good person.

I think...
This is hard to answer....
But looking into the past, and thinking about those poor scorched women, which were declared as witches,
I do not know how to answer in that respect....

Absolute, worthless double talk.

Let me translate your 75% and 25%.

For Islam, everybody younger than 10 or older than 70, along with the mentally retarded, the catatonic, the schizophrenics, and others who are not capable of thinking are not interested in violence.

Men between the ages of 17 and 50 constitute 25% of the population.  They are interested in violence.

Every religion teach peace, none encourage violence. In such a manner if only religion is considered Islam is a religion of peace. If you are about the people following Islam, then it can be segregated as 75% run favour of making peace and the remaining 25% will be interested in violence.

every religion teach peace and kindness, islam is also teaching peace and kindness to all humanity, the problem is some of the people using religion to act violence, so the main problem is in the human itself

This is the debate topic.  Is Islam a Religion of Peace?  I am not starting a poll, because I want the matter determined by clear logic, not by numbers.  And not by quotes of old books. 

Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee8f8nWVWZA

Islam is religion of piece. if you want to know why I say that, please search on youtube "The Meaning of Life" by TalkIslam (if I'm not mistaken). sorry for not giving you the link because I have bad network here when I open youtube.

The video talks about what Islam really is. Now many people who hate Islam makes some ways to others' views of Islam. If you see the history of Prophet Muhammad, he did good deed to those weren't moeslims. buy the book of his history if you want to know more about his kindness

Every religion teach peace, none encourage violence. In such a manner if only religion is considered Islam is a religion of peace. If you are about the people following Islam, then it can be segregated as 75% run favour of making peace and the remaining 25% will be interested in violence.

I dont believe islam is a religion of peace most terrorist in the middle east were muslims and their religion is islam.

Blankly you can't say all terrorist in the middle east are terrorist. Sometimes people might be resembling same like the Muslims in their attire.

If today's terrorist attack on Ankara was in Paris, Berlin or London, you would have seen the world leaders competing on who condemns first.

Given the antics Turkey is engaged currently, in I doubt you'll find much sympathy for them.

And you are wrong.  Please check this website.

www.thereligionofpeace.com

The data clearly show a large majority of Islamic terror attacks are against other Muslims.

Don't see how that makes him wrong.

All he says is that nobody gives a shit about attacks in Turkey. Which is perfectly true.

Don't see how that makes him wrong.

All he says is that nobody gives a shit about attacks in Turkey. Which is perfectly true.

Blankly you can't say all terrorist in the middle east are terrorist. Sometimes people might be resembling same like the Muslims in their attire.

Islam teaches peace and tranquility. all religions teach it all. if there's no denying he is a person who has no faith and religion. he was not able to feel how the religious peace.

Islam teaches peace and tranquility.....

Islam is a religion of piece, piece of you here and another piece over there.

Is Islam a religion of Peace?

islam is a good religion it really depends on the peoples ideology,every person has a different set of mind that can sometimes be corrupted.

I haven't read other replies, so sorry if somebody has said something similar to this.

I consider myself a Muslim, although I do not pray. I find almost all Muslims only pray to ask Allah for things. I don't want to ask him for worldly things, I only want to be accepted into paradise and everyone who deserves it be rewarded it.

I have similar views to Neil deGrasse Tyson, I believe in Allah (he'd use the word god) but I don't make my whole life about religion.

The one thing that confuses me about religion and Islam is that the people in the time of the prophets would have had an unfair advantage. They would know with certainty after seeing the miracles that god is real and they should be good to go to paradise. People today grow up only believing in something if they see it. Although I believe it is said every human being is given the chance to learn about Islam, and if not (say they die just after they're born) then they'll go to paradise so it doesn't matter.

One thing I can say and that I hope for is Shari'a law to be established everywhere completely accurately, then I know without a doubt no bad things will happen. There will be no such thing as a thieve or murderer.

I'd like to hear your guys opinions on what I've said, I'll reply to all of you.

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If today's terrorist attack on Ankara was in Paris, Berlin or London, you would have seen the world leaders competing on who condemns first.

The answer is that all religions are in their basics the religion of peace. But the problem is that people always have their own views on religious  teaching and they see the religious values as they wish the are and that is often used in a wrong way and for bad intentions.

Sure.  You'll just kill off all the thieves, murderers, adulterers, apostates, and how many others to establish your "peace on earth?"  Killing people would certainly be a growth industry in such a world of sharia law.

Historically, across the world in many cultures, such policies have not worked out well at all.  

Oh, by the way.  No, people in the 7th century who thought they say miracles will not automatically go to paradise.  This is utter nonsense.  I do not think you understand the teachings of your own religion regarding miracles.

I am an atheist, so it is nothing to me what you choose to believe.

No. Who said we will kill them? I never said that and you're already assuming it, maybe go learn about Islam before telling me I don't know it.

Name one example.

I never said people who saw miracles would automatically go to paradise. I said they'd have an unfair advantage because they would have had proof of Allah and feared him more to be good and attain paradise. You may have to read this a few times to understand it before you reply.

Yes, I can tell you're an atheist, and if it is nothing to you what I choose to believe why did you reply to me? That's like saying I think nothing of a PS4 but I still own one. Maybe I should contact your family and ask them to get you professional help?

No matter what religion you are in it still depend on the people.
People are killed every day by gun or what ever.
Criminals who are in jail have religion to but they think of what religion they are when they did what they did.
So it really depend on the people and not on religion.

Problem is they use religious scripture (in this case Quran) as an excuse to kill.

Guys like you should stand against Quran, hell, all humanity should stand against it.

Remember, Muslims are prepared (and in most cases ready) to kill in the name of their religion.  That is what is fundamentally wrong with this religion.

Well if you look at the past most religion are ready to kill just defend what they believe in.
So islam is just being pressured as evil hence every one knows that its the mind of people not the religion.

Every religion is ready to kill for defend itself. Actually this is not only religious rule, but life rule
Every country is also ready to kill for defend itself. It is also same individually
To be ready kill is bad if you want to exploite other's source and if you have an imperialist idea.
And that is not directly religious and it has no relation with islam far or near

You are corrected about this,islam should not be mislead as a bad religion.
Everyone has a bad side and you cant take that away from people.
People are to blame here not the religion.

Except the Quran explicitly tells you what to do and what to say, i.e. kill and lie about it.

All Quran books should be burned along with Bible and Talmud.  All of it, to every single copy or manuscript.
Erase it from human history.  It was a big mistake.

Only then humanity can move forward.

Abandon your 6th century myth if you have any sanity left in you.

I remind you that your atheism older than those religions. You lived in age of dinosorous

The writings of the holy books of Islam are not writings of a religion of peace.

Most people want peace. That's why the people of Islam are going against their holy books and attempting to make peace.

How long will it take before the transformation is complete, and the violence in the holy writings be completely edited out? Or will the people simply form a different religion, even if they keep the name "Islam." After all, that's essentially what they are doing already.

8)

Takiyya.

From what you wrote i understand that you don't know anything about islam.
Or please tell us what do you know?

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"  (Translation is from the Noble Quran)  The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries.  In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did).  The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse).  The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation.  Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

 

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

 

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."  Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.  From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

 

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

 

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".  This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

 

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."  The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter.  These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah.  This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

 

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

 

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

 

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"  This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes.  It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle.  Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption.  (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).

 

Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..."  Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

 

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

 

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"  No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

 

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

 

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"  Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for  2:193).  The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj.  Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction.  The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did).  Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition.  According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."

 

Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember." 

 

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

 

Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.  Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

 

Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

 

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."  According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars).  This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack.  Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months).  The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat.  Once the Muslims had the power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

 

Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.

 

Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant."  The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad".  The context is obviously holy war.

 

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."  "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews.  According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status.  This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years.  Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.


Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

 

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."  This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

 

Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew."  See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them"  This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).


Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."  Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter.  It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

 

Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."


Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."  How does the Quran define a true believer?

 

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

 

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."  Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction."  (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).

 

Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion.  The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation.  One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74).  However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude."  He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son.  (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia.  Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.1-2).)

 

Quran (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"

 

Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..."   "Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context.  It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

 

Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while.  Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."   This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers.  It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do.  If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.

 

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost."  Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad.  The wounded are to be held captive for ransom.  The only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims.  Those who kill pass the test.

 

Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"   

 

Quran (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom."  Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.'  Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted?  This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.

 

Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"  Islam is not about treating everyone equally.  There are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status.  Also the word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as 'painful' or severe' in verse 16.

 

Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"  Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to "battle array" meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict.  This is followed by (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."  (See next verse, below).  Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.

 

Quran (61:10-12) - "O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of 'Adn - Eternity ['Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success."  This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see above).  It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.

 

Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end."  The root word of "Jihad" is used again here.  The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.

From http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
And there is a whole lot more listed at the site.

The people don't want to be violent. The writings tell them to be violent.

Live in fear, because if you aren't a good enough Muslim, your fellow Muslims might think that you are backsliding, and execute you. And you never know which ones of the group might do it.

Islam is propagated and exists through formal violence or the threat of violence... except when the people barely think about the holy writings of Islam.

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You stupid made copy past partly verses from a website you think that you will persuade people?

Yes, Quran orders fighting as Jihaad but tis order is curent if an enemy attacks you or your brother

What is the penalty for leaving Islam?

All religions seem to have these extreme duality. I'm sure the humans who are naturally peaceful will only see the peaceful side of Islam where as people who are more violent in nature will take to the violent aspects.

What is the penalty for leaving Islam?

Have you left Islam? You're still alive

18,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years.  (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).  So this means islam is not a religion of peace.

Ever heard of the Crusades? I am a Catholic and crusades is also called "the fight for the holy lands".Around 5,000,000 in the first 4 crusades, with another 1,000,000 in the Albigensian Crusade.
Then to weed out those nasty people that were left, there was The Holy Office to deal with, which accounted for around another 140,000. Mostly tortured first before suffering some disgusting fate that they dreamed up.
Maybe 200,000 witches, then you can add in the Wars of Religion in Europe that was about 3,400,000, The 30 Years War, 40% of Germany annihilated plus 1000`s of others.
Then there was the persecution of the Jews, about 450,000 up to the end of the 17th century and so on.

So many wars other wars for religion. So let's not be biased.

Ever heard of the Crusades? I am a Catholic and crusades is also called "the fight for the holy lands".Around 5,000,000 in the first 4 crusades, with another 1,000,000 in the Albigensian Crusade.
Then to weed out those nasty people that were left, there was The Holy Office to deal with, which accounted for around another 140,000. Mostly tortured first before suffering some disgusting fate that they dreamed up.
Maybe 200,000 witches, then you can add in the Wars of Religion in Europe that was about 3,400,000, The 30 Years War, 40% of Germany annihilated plus 1000`s of others.
Then there was the persecution of the Jews, about 450,000 up to the end of the 17th century and so on.

So many wars other wars for religion. So let's not be biased.

This is the debate topic.  Is Islam a Religion of Peace?  I am not starting a poll, because I want the matter determined by clear logic, not by numbers.  And not by quotes of old books. 

Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee8f8nWVWZA

i believe all religions are belong to peace,have a hope to spread peace to all around the world,but sometime part of them use wrong way to make peacness,and its hurt for us.

Simple answer to the thread title: No. No. NO.

Seriously it is the most dangerous religion I have ever seen.

I hate the argument that a handful of people (referring to radicals) don't represent the religion. Wrong. It's the opposite. Just because a few people, even if it's a majority, believe that Islam is a religion of peace, and practice it peacefully, that doesn't make it peaceful. I know many people who are Muslim and talk to them almost every day when going to work. They're amazing people but they do not represent the entire religion.

Heard about The Rape of Europe? I know you didn't want numbers, so I want bring any into this, but rather I'll be general. German chancellor Angela Merkel has been bringing absurd amounts of "refugees" into Germany. Ever since she did just this, there have been increased murders, rapes, etc. Major crimes being committed. All by "refugees" who are secretly Muslim/Islam and are practicing their faith.

Practicing their faith, you might ask. Of course! Islam is a religion that turns women into tools and doesn't respect them. It makes sure that the women cannot do anything without a man otherwise she will be hurt.

By the way, if you dare do anything while being young that is against your religion (Islam) without understanding it (in Christianity I am referring to sinning) you will be hurt. That's right, your leader will hurt you, send you to eternal damnation for doing something you didn't understand what you were supposed to do - or what was right.

Christianity, what feminists in particular but usually left wing crazies call a dangerous religion, is about respecting a woman. And, the most noteworthy point about the religion, it respects everyone. Killing anyone is a sin. In Islam, you must kill people in the name of "Allah". How peaceful is that? No that much. You do not kill anyone in the name of God, and if you do you will have commit a sin. In Christianity, you are always given a second chance to fix your problems. There have been people who murdered someone, in the Bible, and was still forgiven for it. Of course, you must prove you are A BETTER PERSON (difference between Christians and Muslims) and you will be punished but, in the end, you can still be forgiven.

It's not just Christianity, some other religions are peaceful too, but I talk about this because everyone always assumes us conservatives are Christians and say that we all hate Islam and that OUR religion is dangerous. Well, guess what, in Christianity you are NOT required to kill or rape someone. You need to believe in God and follow his path, respecting everyone, to get to heaven.

So, in the end, no. Islam is NO religion of peace. I have many Muslim friends who ARE peaceful but you have to admit that just because they practice the faith in a peaceful way does not mean that the religion itself is not dangerous. It is dangerous and we must protect ourselves.

This is the debate topic.  Is Islam a Religion of Peace?  I am not starting a poll, because I want the matter determined by clear logic, not by numbers.  And not by quotes of old books. 

Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee8f8nWVWZA

Yes, Islam is the religion of Peace. Islam DOES NOT hate people at all, of any kind. Islam likes peace & harmony. Islam likes equality.
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Sort of like the peace our US President Nobel Peace Prize Obama practices?

lol...

My view on all things is: don't listen to what they say, watch what they do. I will leave it at that.

No, not that sort of, I can assure you, really. But I don't think you are gonna accept my assurance. ::)

Islam is a religion of peace. Only few of the religious followers involve in violence which affects the entire religion.