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You're so stupid. The fact why we don't call Hitler a Christian terrorist is because he did not killed all the Jews, the Tsigans etc. for his faith, unlike the terrorists.

I can agree with you.
Terrorist don't have religion, their only religion is terror and hate.
If people follow teaching in Islam and practice it, they are true believers and Muslims.
It's the same for any other religion.
If people don't practice teaching of their religion but use it for their own agenda, they are not true believers and Muslims, they are manipulators and terrorists.
So many people in the past abused religion for their own purposes.

Exactly! !! I said this a number of times, but they didn't listened to me... Every now and there there is a post against muslims...
I am a muslim. And I don't like being treated diffrently... We all are friends,  of different religions. .. We should live happily together. ..

Sorry OP, all you're doing is blatantly trying to use history to deflect blame from the group committing current atrocities against people, as most religious people and their apologists tend to do.

Also we'd love to believe you about living peacefully with others, but you keep on shooting at us and trying to blow us up.

Sorry OP, all you're doing is blatantly trying to use history to deflect blame from the group committing current atrocities against people, as most religious people and their apologists tend to do.

Also we'd love to believe you about living peacefully with others, but you keep on shooting at us and trying to blow us up.

...Terrorist don't have religion, their only religion is terror and hate....

I am not shooting at any other religion. . I am just defending my religion, as there is a lot of hatred about it in the forum...
As I already said, I respect your religion,  you respect mine...

I am not shooting at any other religion. . I am just defending my religion, as there is a lot of hatred about it in the forum...
As I already said, I respect your religion,  you respect mine...

What load of BS? Neither Hitler nor Stalin killed people for their religious beliefs. It is true that Hitler was born to Roman Catholic parents and he targeted the Jews. But he chose his victims based on their racial origin, and the religion played hardly any role in his crimes. As per reliable sources, Hitler was an atheist at the time of his death.

What load of BS? Neither Hitler nor Stalin killed people for their religious beliefs. It is true that Hitler was born to Roman Catholic parents and he targeted the Jews. But he chose his victims based on their racial origin, and the religion played hardly any role in his crimes. As per reliable sources, Hitler was an atheist at the time of his death.

Both were killing people to further their non-religious agendas.  Lack of religion was not the reason.

I don't remember anybody in history kill in the name of atheism.

In the HISTORY of the world, who has KILLED maximum INNOCENT
human beings

1) "Hitler"
Do you know who he was

He was a Christian, but media will never call Christians terrorists.

2) "Joseph Stalin called as Uncle Joe".

He has killed 20 million human beings including 14.5 million were starved to death.

Was he a Muslim

3) "Mao Tse Tsung (China)"

He has killed 14 to 20 million human beings.

Was he a Muslim

4) "Benito Mussolini (Italy)"

He has killed 400 thousand human beings.

Was he a Muslim

5) "Ashoka" In Kalinga Battle

He has killed 100 thousand human beings.

Was he a Muslim

6) Embargo put by George Bush in Iraq,

1/2 million children
has been killed in Iraq alone!!! Imagine these people are never called terrorists by the media.

Why

Today the majority of the non-muslims are afraid by hearing the words "JIHAD".

Jihad is an Arabic word which comes from root Arabic word "JAHADA" which means "TO STRIVE" or "TO STRUGGLE" against evil and for justice. It does not
mean killing innocents.

The difference is we stand against evil, not with evil".

You still think that ISLAM is the problem

1. The First World War, 17 million dead
(caused by non-Muslim).

2. The Second World War, 50-55 million dead (caused by non-Muslim).

3. Nagasaki atomic bombs 200000 dead
(caused by non-Muslim).

4. The War in Vietnam, over 5 million dead (caused by non-Muslim).

5. The War in Bosnia/Kosovo, over 5,00,000 dead (caused by non-Muslim).

6. The War in Iraq (so far) 12,000,000 deaths
(caused by non-Muslim).

7. Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Burma etc (caused by non-Muslim).

8. In Cambodia 1975-1979, almost 3 million deaths (caused by non-Muslim).

"MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS
AND
TERRORISTS ARE NOT MUSLIMS."

Please remove first double standards on Killings.

Terrorists are not terrorists and muslims are not muslims.

Right. It's all a big conspiracy to get Muslims to look bad, isn't it?

Actually, it's just straight up racism which is not that hard to figure out.  ::)

 

Muslims are not a race, they are a group of religious followers. Try again.

I always find it amusing when people use the racism argument, forgetting just how many migrants come into our countries that don't cause trouble, like Sikhs, Hindus, Catholic Christians from poland, Jews, Buddhists, Taoists. All these people from such a variety of different religious backgrounds and continents and then there's one fucked up ideology that always causes the most trouble.

The best part about that is, even if you make this point, they'll still try to call you a racist.

 

Muslims are not a race, they are a group of religious followers. Try again.

You are aware Cass the more you act out like that the more stupid and ridiculous you make yourself look? I think almost anybody who defend Islam does what you do and all this behaviour does is alienate people more and more and make them all hostile to you.

Oh wait, what am I saying? Of course you fucking don't, you have no self-awareness.

You're so stupid. The fact why we don't call Hitler a Christian terrorist is because he did not killed all the Jews, the Tsigans etc. for his faith, unlike the terrorists.

Thank you, I was going to say this.  OP is a little off in his logic and is very emotional in his defense of Muslims. 

It amazes me in this day and age that we still have people fighting religious wars and committing acts of terror in the name of religion, but we do.  And sorry to say it, but these days (not those examples from history) those acts are being perpetrated by Muslims.  I'm definitely not a fan of that particular religion, though I don't dislike all Muslims.  People can interact with each other and keep their religion and delusions separate, and I'm cool with that.  But when things like Sharia law and so forth come into the mix, I'm not cool with that.

there are undeniable problems with muslims but to throw every single one of them in the same terrorist/rapist basket is just wrong

I don't, but they still have beliefs in the mainstream that really piss me off and should be rejected in any civilised society, the blatant anti-semitism, anti-homosexuality and their treatment of women and disdain for free speech and expression for one thing. If any of them are going to advocate violence towards other people just over who they are or what they say or how they dress or what they draw they should expect for me to meet them head on.

It's actually sad how the long list of problems Islam has compared to everybody else frankly, all other religions know any of their bullshit doesn't get a free pass in the west so why should radical Islam?

No shit Sherlock, but most of the practitioners are brown and thus subject to whitey's racism, even if the finer points of who Muslims are is lost on them. So it's still a race debate, Junior.  ::)

I don't have a fucking religion, I'm an Anarchist.

Who is fighting ISIS on the ground?

Oh hell 99% of anti ISIS fighters are muslims.

The real only people who's fighting the Islamic State are the Russians. The Muslims from these areas just escape instead of fighting back their enemy.

Funny how we quickly forget

this dictatorship

its alcoholic rates ;D

Yeah sure, glory to the Russians! The best country in the world is Russia! The great powerful Russian man! Still pure and manly, ready to beat the shit out of Muslims any time ::)

Funny how we quickly forget that this dictatorship is mostly known for its alcoholic rates ;D

Who is fighting ISIS on the ground?

Oh hell 99% of anti ISIS fighters are muslims.

The real only people who's fighting the Islamic State are the Russians. The Muslims from these areas just escape instead of fighting back their enemy.

So please elaborate how many ground troops russia has in syria and iraq?
Who do they attack and where do they operate?

Yeah sure, glory to the Russians! The best country in the world is Russia! The great powerful Russian man! Still pure and manly, ready to beat the shit out of Muslims any time ::)

For your information, it is not just the Russians who hate uncivilized Muslims. I am from South-east Asia, and I am yet to find someone who is having a positive opinion about the Muslims. May be you should travel to Xinjiang, and see how the Chinese are treating the local Muslims. I have been to India, and the majority of the people there are also opposed to Muslims.

After examination of the OP's posting history, I have come to the conclusion that this person is little more than a Marxist agitator that thrives on drawing any kind of attention to her mindless ideologies. Please keep this in mind next time you see one of her OPs.



Actually there are more Musims in the US that are "whitey's" than any other single race of darkies... oh wait "darkies" is a racially insensitive term. It is ok to call white people whitey tho, because you know Critical Theory. 

Try again.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/26/muslim-american-demographics_n_5027866.html

Right. It's all a big conspiracy to get Muslims to look bad, isn't it?

This is more complicated than a love triangle.
NATO fights the ISIL and Taliban.
The ISIL fights the NATO, FSA, Syria and the Taliban.
The Talibans fight NATO and ISIL.
Russia fight ISIL and FSA.
FSA fights ISIL, Iran and Syria.
Syria fights ISIL and FSA.
Turkey fights ISIL and Syria.
Iran fights ISIL and FSA.

If you are right then I have no idea why you were compelled to make this thread . You said Ashoka killed many people , have you ever gone through your history ? You have no idea what you are saying . Who were those people who attacked school in pakistan ?

yes , this is definitely like that.. all the muslims are not terrorists and terrorists ones arent muslim..

If you are right then I have no idea why you were compelled to make this thread . You said Ashoka killed many people , have you ever gone through your history ? You have no idea what you are saying . Who were those people who attacked school in pakistan ?

If you are right then I have no idea why you were compelled to make this thread . You said Ashoka killed many people , have you ever gone through your history ? You have no idea what you are saying . Who were those people who attacked school in pakistan ?

Wow, you boys are really like in grade school when it comes to social theory eh?

It's not possible for a minority to be racist against a majority ruling power because racism happens within a structure of oppression. I can be prejudiced to whitey, but I can't be racist because white supremacy exists.

In fact, my making jokes about whitey dismantles institutional racism because I'm undermining the ruling power.  ::) You guys are so boring. Please god, bring me more interesting racists to talk to. :D

You want proof that Ashoka killed 100,000 proof then please go through Wikipedia. ..
And here my aim is not to point out any religion,  it's just that every religion has some good and bad people... Do you think entire muslims are terrorists or what??? why this forum has a lot of hatred towards  muslims?
You know here in India we all people of different religion live together happily. .. We have a lot of friends of other religions... and we treat them equal..

How did I know you were a true believer of critical theory? Take notes kids, this is Marxism thinly veiled in a thin veneer of social "science". These people believe that if a certain class of people are "oppressed" then they are incapable of oppressing other people "less oppressed" than they are. This is equality of outcome not equality of opportunity, and it has shown to be a very destructive ideology eventually leading to the deaths of millions. Please learn about Marxism and Critical Theory folks, this ideology is invading the western world like the fastest growing cancer you have ever seen.

Critical Theory and Marxism: http://glossarium.bitrum.unileon.es/Home/teoria-critica-de-la-informacion/critical-theory-of-information

Woooooooooow you are so f*cked up dude LOL. You don't understand how oppression works so you're calling conspiracy, linking my posts as a "thinly veiled" belief system when I told you straight with WORDS what I thought? Man, you dudes need to take a pottery class or something. Forget social intelligence, there's no hope for you there.

  No one used the word conspiracy but you. That is a stale marginalization technique used so often to try to slander opponents it has become cliche. I know all about your critical theory and its Marxist origins. I am willing to bet I am even more educated on the topic than yourself. There is nothing at all complicated about it, it is simply a technique used to get people to justify horrible actions by imagining themselves as oppressed therefor justifying uncivilized abusive behavior towards anyone you unilaterally deem "oppressive". Marxism caters to all the most base of human instincts in order to get what Marx called "useful idiots", such as yourself to fracture the unity of society in order to tear it down so that socialism and communism can grow in the ashes. It is funny you mention pottery, as I have won awards for my hand built stoneware pieces. Maybe you can use your obvious internet ESP powers to make more assumptions about my knowledge on this subject as well as my "privilege". Also, just for the record, social sciences are not actually recognized as hard science even if they told you it was in your women's studies class.

For everyone else, please google The Frankfurt School as well as Marxism and Critical theory to learn more about the mental virus that has infected the young gullible reactionary we have here, as well as many others.

Wow, you literally have no idea what the term intersectionality means do you? You probably could have saved yourself a lot of time by bothering to look it up and understand what we were talking about, but that's fine. It's been entertaining anyways. You're ignored now, so if you want to keep playing go right ahead but you'll be playing with yourself.

Just because people are critical of your ideology does not automatically make you so superior that people simply can't comprehend your intelligence. How arrogant and narcissistic do you have to be to really believe that? xD

What I stated is not any bullshit theory, it is a fact. Clearly you don't even have any clue where the ideologies you mindlessly repeat like a parrot came from, so much so when I confront you with its origins you believe it to be some kind of conspiracy theory. Anyone can look this stuff up and verify it, even you, but you won't because it challenges your confirmation bias therefore you will actively ignore the documented history of your ideology.

here is the definition of "intersectionality" from the feminist wiki:

"Intersectionality is a concept often used in critical theories to describe the ways in which oppressive institutions (racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism, xenophobia, classism, etc.) are interconnected and cannot be examined separately from one another. The concept first came from legal scholar Kimberlé Crenshaw in 1989 and is largely used in critical theories, especially Feminist theory, when discussing systematic oppression. When possible, credit Kimberlé Crenshaw for coining the term "intersectionality" and bringing the concept to wider attention."

http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Intersectionality

In short, even your feminist sisters are telling you that your ideology is based on Critical Theory. If you bother to read about it for more than 30 seconds, you will see very clearly how critical theory and marxism overlap, not just in dogma and ideology, but in its documented historical roots. Feminism itself was one of the original core tenets of Marxism, not that you would know that because you choose to remain willfully ignorant on this subject matter so that you can continue to tell yourself your supremacist ideologies are acceptable because you are "oppressed". You wouldn't want to have to check your own privilege now would you? Of course not, you are the inquisitor who gets to tell everyone else they should check themselves from your self proclaimed position of superiority right? Tell me some more about how I don't know what I am talking about little girl. I can tell already we are going to be the best of friends here. Inseparable.

This kind of "there were lot worse killers in human history than us" argument looks a bit flawed for me. I don't care who killed who 70, 200, or 2000 years ago. Muslims are a present and future danger, therefore they are something we have to take care of.

Ok great and how do you take care of it?
And btw, what do you do about the hundreds of thousands of suicides every year caused by the ruthless market freedom? Don't you feel it's more important or do you need to see bombs exploding to see it like a real attack?

The expression "take care of" can mean a lot of things from talking to them on a civilised manner to "...und fegen alle diese Untermenschen von der Erdkarte" type solutions, depending on politicians, oil prices and public opinion :).
Free markets are part of our life and unfortunately sometimes it comes for a price, but the other alternative ways (sorts of egalitarian, planned economy) all failed miserably, so like it or not at this time there are no working alternative. BTW bitcoin is all about free market...

Oh they failed? Funny me I thought Cube was a rather successful try especially considering how the USA fucked them up without any kind of reason (not that they need any reason they're the USA). Cause capitalism is a success? Wanna tell that to 80% of the world?

It's cool how the fact that free market had been tried in nearly the whole world and is currently not working and destroying everything but it's ok, and how egalitarian policies as you say have been tries only 3 times with one really successful.

Oh they failed? Funny me I thought Cube was a rather successful try especially considering how the USA fucked them up without any kind of reason (not that they need any reason they're the USA). Cause capitalism is a success? Wanna tell that to 80% of the world?

It's cool how the fact that free market had been tried in nearly the whole world and is currently not working and destroying everything but it's ok, and how egalitarian policies as you say have been tries only 3 times with one really successful.

Yes, they failed for sure. I've witnessed the last years of that experiment, so I know :). Cuba stayed alive for so long because of the support they've got from other socialist states. I can remember when my country often bought tens of thousands tons of sugar for astronomic prices for helping the cuban comrades, however we actually exported sugar too.

]NO.  Cuba was abject failure.  Except for running an entire country on cars that became classic cars, maybe.

Well I've witness Cuba by my own eyes and sorry but I wouldn't have called that a failure.
Yeah cars are a bit old but it's not because of the economy simply because USA makes it impossible for any country to make exportation to it. And they had free education for everyone, free healthcare, both of excellent quality.

I don't call an educated population, having access to health care (one of the bests in the world, so good they launched international operations to help other countries) and to every basic needs a failure. Especially considering the embargo of USA.

FACTS:
All terrorists are of their own branch of religion.
Ones who call themselves Muslim are EXTREMIST MUSLIMS or EXTREMIST

The term EXTREMIST is the only way to describe their religion and they believe themselves to be a member of the Muslim faith. 

FACTS:
All terrorists are of their own branch of religion.
Ones who call themselves Muslim are EXTREMIST MUSLIMS or EXTREMIST

The term EXTREMIST is the only way to describe their religion and they believe themselves to be a member of the Muslim faith.  

Hitler killed Jews as they were the only ones he had power to kill. In history, Jews have always been very intelligent and good a business, Hitler supposedly killed them in order to get backing of large amounts of people!

So...

TERRORISTS ARE NOT (NON EXTREMIST) MUSLIMS AND (NON EXTREMIST) MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS?

But that's not what the OP wants us to believe, is it?  He does not want your precise definition.

He simply wants people to believe that terrorists are not muslims....

Well, when you think about it, terrorists cant really be muslims. Islam is not really different from Christianity in a sense, and in both killing the innocent or killing yourself is a major sin.

So the terrorists blowing themselves in suicidal attacks are in fact doubly condemned to Hell is they're Muslims xD

In the HISTORY of the world, who has KILLED maximum INNOCENT
human beings

1) "Hitler"
Do you know who he was

He was a Christian, but media will never call Christians terrorists.

2) "Joseph Stalin called as Uncle Joe".

He has killed 20 million human beings including 14.5 million were starved to death.

Was he a Muslim

3) "Mao Tse Tsung (China)"

He has killed 14 to 20 million human beings.

Was he a Muslim

4) "Benito Mussolini (Italy)"

He has killed 400 thousand human beings.

Was he a Muslim

5) "Ashoka" In Kalinga Battle

He has killed 100 thousand human beings.

Was he a Muslim

6) Embargo put by George Bush in Iraq,

1/2 million children
has been killed in Iraq alone!!! Imagine these people are never called terrorists by the media.

Why

Today the majority of the non-muslims are afraid by hearing the words "JIHAD".

Jihad is an Arabic word which comes from root Arabic word "JAHADA" which means "TO STRIVE" or "TO STRUGGLE" against evil and for justice. It does not
mean killing innocents.

The difference is we stand against evil, not with evil".

You still think that ISLAM is the problem

1. The First World War, 17 million dead
(caused by non-Muslim).

2. The Second World War, 50-55 million dead (caused by non-Muslim).

3. Nagasaki atomic bombs 200000 dead
(caused by non-Muslim).

4. The War in Vietnam, over 5 million dead (caused by non-Muslim).

5. The War in Bosnia/Kosovo, over 5,00,000 dead (caused by non-Muslim).

6. The War in Iraq (so far) 12,000,000 deaths
(caused by non-Muslim).

7. Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Burma etc (caused by non-Muslim).

8. In Cambodia 1975-1979, almost 3 million deaths (caused by non-Muslim).

"MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS
AND
TERRORISTS ARE NOT MUSLIMS."

Please remove first double standards on Killings.

What about today?

Was Yassir Arafat a Muslim?

TERRORISTS ARE NOT (NON EXTREMIST) MUSLIMS AND (NON EXTREMIST) MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS?

This kind of "there were lot worse killers in human history than us" argument looks a bit flawed for me. I don't care who killed who 70, 200, or 2000 years ago. Muslims are a present and future danger, therefore they are something we have to take care of.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00784/161727614__784123c.jpg

Where they get all those guns and fancy off road vehicles?
Allah Must be really great?
I mean they live in desert am i right?

Muslim - one who searches for peace (a representation of peace)
Islam - the search for peace
Jihad - a search for justice (technically more of freedome)

All Religioins that believe in God/Allah believe that their life belongs to God, He is the only thing who can give it or take it.

Extremism refers to a branch of a religion that is extreme.
The belief that one should force a religion or force death or marriage is, for me, by definition: extremism.

Was Yassir Arafat a Muslim?

I don't. Yeah maybe...

Anyway my answer was here mostly to under light the contradictions of terrorists. It was not a way to defend them.

I understand, no problem.  But you understand the problem in answering about Arafat.  If you say yes, then all of his terrorists actions were Muslim.  If you say no, then a major Muslim leader and hero is admitted to be Not A Muslim.

And that's the problem in a nutshell.  In logic it's called the "True Scotsman" logical fallacy.

Meanwhile in the real world, Arafat damn sure was a Muslim and was responsible for hundreds of bombings and terrorist actions.

Difference with the true Scotman logical fallacy is that here there is a sacred text explaining that Arafat was going to go to hell if he was a Muslim. So he maybe believed he was a Muslim but he was probably too dumb to even understand what it meant ^^

Lol, that's one decent way to look at it.

But we know that he would have he certainly considered himself Muslim, fighting the valiant cause of Jihad.  As did millions of people.

Yeah for sure.
But it doesn't really matter, I'm still convinced terrorism is a bit a Global plot for industries and banks to control us ;D
(See how here I use really conditional and biased vocabulary, not saying it is, just saying I believe it is ^^)

Terrorism do to little damage, they could do 10000 times more damage if they wanted to.

Yeah for sure.
But it doesn't really matter, I'm still convinced terrorism is a bit a Global plot for industries and banks to control us ;D
(See how here I use really conditional and biased vocabulary, not saying it is, just saying I believe it is ^^)

Terrorism do to little damage, they could do 10000 times more damage if they wanted to.

You're sick. Muslims are an entire religion who are not any more dangerous than violent Christians.  ::)

Wrong. I'm Hungarian, and we have a couple of hundred years of hands on experience with these "harmless and peaceful" muslims :).

BTW you shouldn't let neither your positive or negative preconceptions to blur your sight. I've noticed that you don't like us whites, but why do you think that these brownie muslim fellas had been more compassionate to your kind than we were?

What would be right is to consider Muslims and Christians violence on the long term. Here I'm pretty sure both would be rather similar as Islam is much younger! But currently Islam is killing more.

You're so stupid. The fact why we don't call Hitler a Christian terrorist is because he did not killed all the Jews, the Tsigans etc. for his faith, unlike the terrorists.

....
What would be right is to consider Muslims and Christians violence on the long term. Here I'm pretty sure both would be rather similar as Islam is much younger! But currently Islam is killing more.

Anyone that doesn't believe the title is just racist so it doesn't matter to feed into the negativity of the world. Just find peace, life, and laughter.

you have to see the movie "my name is khan", my movie I was quite relevant to this topic

What would be right is to give you a 1950s television to watch and we more modern people will have our computers  and Netflix.  Both are very similar!

Sigh...
If you want to compare two things compare similar things. Trying to compare Christianity and Islam is like trying to compare a 8 years old boy with an adult. Yes they're both humans but no they're not going to do the same things ><

Wrong. I'm Hungarian, and we have a couple of hundred years of hands on experience with these "harmless and peaceful" muslims :).

BTW you shouldn't let neither your positive or negative preconceptions to blur your sight. I've noticed that you don't like us whites, but why do you think that these brownie muslim fellas had been more compassionate to your kind than we were?

+1, but only if it is the "christians" who are the adult and the 8 year old boy who is the "muslim."

The problem with the Blacks is that they always blame the Whites for all of their problems. For example, for the blacks, the slave trade was exclusively conducted by the Whites. But what is the truth? The Europeans engaged in the slave trade for a relatively short period of time (from 17th to 19th century AD). But what about the Arabs and the Turks? They have been doing slave trade for thousands of years. The number of slaves transported from the East coast of Africa by the Arabs is many times that number during the Atlantic slave trade.

yeah of course as Islam is incredibly younger than Christianity. But what is said is still true. Compare what can be compared...

Sure, compare what can be compared.


Islam isn't "incredibly young," it is some 1400 years old compared to 2000. 

You might well argue, though, that the rigid and unchanging nature of Islam causes it to be retarded forever, to the extent that it remains rigid and unchanging.

Sure, compare what can be compared.


Islam isn't "incredibly young," it is some 1400 years old compared to 2000. 

You might well argue, though, that the rigid and unchanging nature of Islam causes it to be retarded forever, to the extent that it remains rigid and unchanging.

It is just 100-200 years gone since christianity was as violent as islam.

+1

LOL.

Islam today is religion of peace comparing to Christianity 500 years ago.  Inquisition was way worse than ISIS.

+1

LOL.

Islam today is religion of peace comparing to Christianity 500 years ago.  Inquisition was way worse than ISIS.

No, the Inquisition did not approach the atrocities of ISIS.

It's estimated that from 1540-1700  ( a period of time we have good records for ) the Spanish Inquisition killed between 3000 and 5000 people.

So 160 years of the worst of Christianity matches two months or so of violent Muslim killings.

No, the Inquisition did not approach the atrocities of ISIS.

It's estimated that from 1540-1700  ( a period of time we have good records for ) the Spanish Inquisition killed between 3000 and 5000 people.

So 160 years of the worst of Christianity matches two months or so of violent Muslim killings.

Seriously? Please cite your source.

Every source in german and english i checked are going into 5-6 figit numbers from around 1500-1650 lol

Are you by chance lying or did you talked about a single small village? ::)

You ppl get more desperate each day.

It's easy enough to just look it up, isn't it?

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060903192705AAZ0Dnd

Modern historians have begun to study the documentary records of the Inquisition. The archives of the Suprema, today held by the National Historical Archive of Spain (Archivo Histórico Nacional), conserves the annual relations of all processes between 1560 and 1700. This material provides information about 49,092 judgements, the latter studied by Gustav Henningsen and Jaime Contreras. These authors calculate that only 1.9% of those processed were burned at the stake.



The archives of the Suprema only provide information surrounding the processes prior to 1560. To study the processes themselves it is necessary to examine the archives of the local tribunals, however the majority....

No, the Inquisition did not approach the atrocities of ISIS.

It's estimated that from 1540-1700  ( a period of time we have good records for ) the Spanish Inquisition killed between 3000 and 5000 people.

So 160 years of the worst of Christianity matches two months or so of violent Muslim killings.

Here. 15 million deaths for Christianity, 2 million for Islam.
https://www.quora.com/Which-religion-is-responsible-for-the-greatest-number-of-deaths-of-infidels-over-its-entire-history

Inquisition was not the worst atrocity perpetrated by Christianity. The genocide of the native Americans by the Catholic church was the worst atrocity perpetrated by anyone in the human history. Consider these:

1. The native population of Mexico reduced to 25 million to 1 million in less than 100 years.
2. The Taino/Carib population of the West Indies (8 million) completely exterminated in 60 years.
3. The native Brazilian population reduced from 15 million to 1 million in 100 years.

To be fair here, not all of this extermination was a direct result of Christianity, a lot of it was plain old greed and conquest independent of religion.

Well, truth be told, most of religion is about greed and conquest.

To be fair here, not all of this extermination was a direct result of Christianity, a lot of it was plain old greed and conquest independent of religion.

You can debate that all day. I think the important point is that the primary driver was not religious ideology, but greed, as opposed to modern Muslim extremism which is very clearly motivated primarily by ideology.

You can debate that all day. I think the important point is that the primary driver was not religious ideology, but greed, as opposed to modern Muslim extremism which is very clearly motivated primarily by ideology.

Are we sure it's ideology and not something precise and calculated behind it?

Well, truth be told, most of religion is about greed and conquest.

Most religion is about greed and conquest, but basically one who doesn't believe in any of the religion are the most greedier as well independent of religion.

Most religion is about greed and conquest, but basically one who doesn't believe in any of the religion are the most greedier as well independent of religion.

I'm not even sure what that's supposed to mean. No comprendes.

Well, truth be told, most of religion is about greed and conquest.

Regardless, the question was about "THE INQUISITION."  And I answered that question.  160 years of the Inquisition matches only two months of violent Muslim killings.

The numbers your cited are wrong then, you cited wrong or you are obviously lying.

Also do you know what "controversial disputed" means?

Also you know that the spanish inquistion was one beside three? There was also the german and portugese inquisition.

Im not a expert so i will let wiki explain:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition

You are welcome to refute

and i showed that you figures are wrong by atleast two orders of magnitude.

did you miss it or are you just a lier like our bryant?

To be fair here, not all of this extermination was a direct result of Christianity, a lot of it was plain old greed and conquest independent of religion.

ok seems like nobody cares for my numbers xD

Bah they just don't give a fuck about the truth...

Christianity: 15 milions deaths
Islam: 2Millions.

But they don't give a fuck.

Bah they just don't give a fuck about the truth...

Christianity: 15 milions deaths
Islam: 2Millions.

But they don't give a fuck.

No you did not show my figures wrong by two orders of magnitude.  You provided a link.  I read the link.  I saw nothing there that supported your assertion.

If I missed something supporting your claim, just quote it directly. 

After all, that's what I did when you did not believe me.  I quoted the exact excerpt from the link.

Because your numbers are wrong.

Since 911 there have been over 27,000 terror attacks.  Typically these kill more than 2,000 in any given month.  In just forty years, that adds up to a million people - and that's largely innocent victims, isn't it?  Really nice bunch you are defending there.....

But going to historical sources, let's see what we find.




Here is a source that suggests just since 1948, 11 million muslims have been killed

https://wasteofmyoxygen.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/staggering-statistics-on-muslims-killing-muslims/
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This grisly inventory finds the total number of deaths in conflicts since 1950 numbering about 85,000,000. Of that sum, the deaths in the Arab-Israeli conflict since 1950 include 32,000 deaths due to Arab state attacks and 19,000 due to Palestinian attacks, or 51,000 in all. Arabs make up roughly 35,000 of these dead and Jewish Israelis make up 16,000.

These figures mean that deaths Arab-Israeli fighting since 1950 amount to just 0.06 percent of the total number of deaths in all conflicts in that period. More graphically, only 1 out of about 1,700 persons killed in conflicts since 1950 has died due to Arab-Israeli fighting.

(Adding the 11,000 killed in the Israeli war of independence, 1947-49, made up of 5,000 Arabs and 6,000 Israeli Jews, does not significantly alter these figures.)

In a different perspective, some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died during the sixty years of fighting Israel, or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims.

In a different perspective, some 11,000,000 Muslims have been violently killed since 1948, of which 35,000, or 0.3 percent, died during the sixty years of fighting Israel, or just 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities. In contrast, over 90 percent of the 11 million who perished were killed by fellow Muslims.

Muslims are not terrorists. But extremists are always dangerous. Even if they are iron man believers, you know.

This is a topic that I completely agree with you. You can't really "categorize" an entire religion for a few people's actions.

You should also count those non-Muslims who were killed by the Muslims. A few examples here:

1. 2 million Animist South-Sudanese killed by the Sudanese Arabs from 1983 to 2011.
2. 3 million Hindus exterminated by Pakistani Muslims during the 1971 Liberation of Bangladesh.
3. Thousands of Buddhists killed by Muslims in Chittagong Hill Tracts from 1977-2016.
4. A total of 400,000 indigenous people exterminated by Indonesian Muslims in New Guinea, 1962-2016.
5. A total of 300,000 indigenous people exterminated by Indonesian Muslims in Timor, 1975-1999.
6. Tens of thousands of Kashmiri Pandits (Hindus) killed by Muslims during 1989-2016.
7. More than 6,000 Greek Christians exterminated by Turkish Muslims, during the Turkish invasion of Cyprus.

I agree.  #7, my friends from Greece say it was way, way more than 6,000.

Sure you can categorize an entire religion for a few people's actions.

You can make this statement.  "The Catholic church has a problem with pedophile priests."

And you can make this statement.  "Islam has a serious problem with barbaric extremists committing atrocities."

And you can say "Preachers' daughters are hot."

What's the big deal?

(the next thing that happens is the intellectually dishonest argument "All muslims are not terrorists."  This is the logical fallacy "Straw Man."  The person bringing it is arguing against an argument that was never made, thinking that nobody will notice.  That is what this OP is - a straw man argument logical fallacy.)

I will not be surprised if the real figure is much more than what I had quoted. The Turks are the worst of the barbarians. Even the Arabs will not come close to them in this regard. They have a history of exterminating non-Muslim people, including the Greeks, Assyrians, and the Armenians. I just hope than one day someone will nuke Ankara.

Muslims are not terrorists. But extremists are always dangerous. Even if they are iron man believers, you know.

you are completely right .. extremists belivers are the worst of all..

In the HISTORY of the world, who has KILLED maximum INNOCENT
human beings

1) "Hitler"
Do you know who he was

He was a Christian, but media will never call Christians terrorists.

2) "Joseph Stalin called as Uncle Joe".

He has killed 20 million human beings including 14.5 million were starved to death.

Was he a Muslim

3) "Mao Tse Tsung (China)"

He has killed 14 to 20 million human beings.

Was he a Muslim

4) "Benito Mussolini (Italy)"

He has killed 400 thousand human beings.

Was he a Muslim

5) "Ashoka" In Kalinga Battle

He has killed 100 thousand human beings.

Was he a Muslim

6) Embargo put by George Bush in Iraq,

1/2 million children
has been killed in Iraq alone!!! Imagine these people are never called terrorists by the media.

Why

Today the majority of the non-muslims are afraid by hearing the words "JIHAD".

Jihad is an Arabic word which comes from root Arabic word "JAHADA" which means "TO STRIVE" or "TO STRUGGLE" against evil and for justice. It does not
mean killing innocents.

The difference is we stand against evil, not with evil".

You still think that ISLAM is the problem

1. The First World War, 17 million dead
(caused by non-Muslim).

2. The Second World War, 50-55 million dead (caused by non-Muslim).

3. Nagasaki atomic bombs 200000 dead
(caused by non-Muslim).

4. The War in Vietnam, over 5 million dead (caused by non-Muslim).

5. The War in Bosnia/Kosovo, over 5,00,000 dead (caused by non-Muslim).

6. The War in Iraq (so far) 12,000,000 deaths
(caused by non-Muslim).

7. Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Burma etc (caused by non-Muslim).

8. In Cambodia 1975-1979, almost 3 million deaths (caused by non-Muslim).

"MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS
AND
TERRORISTS ARE NOT MUSLIMS."

Please remove first double standards on Killings.

What's the big deal? Well it's a nonsense and leads to nothing.
When you say "Preachers' daughters are hot." what happens if a daughter of a preacher isn't hot? She's no longer the daughter of the preacher? Or she has to become hot?  :(
And what if I say the exact contrary? As we both have nothing but our opinion, can't we say it's damn useless?

you are definitely wrong.. arabs are the shittiest race on this earth.. turks are the second one..

I only illustrate that the above are rational and meaningful statements, of sorts commonly made.

The Muslims would appear to seek to apply one stardard to them, but another standard to others.

NOT ALLOWED.  "Islam has a big problem with terrorism within it's ranks."

ALLOWED.  "The Catholic church has a problem with pedophile priests."

Well no you rather proved the contrary...

But what you're saying is allowed, the two statements are fairly ok with me.
Why would it cause any problem?

I have no clue.  Why does this thread exist, asserting the opposite?

"All generalizations are false.  Including this one."  - Mark Twain

Hmm... As far as I understand the thread title, it only says that Muslims and Terrorists are not equivalent. That you can't make a simple assimilation.

It might be a generalization but still facts and numbers do not lie.

You should also count those non-Muslims who were killed by the Muslims. A few examples here:

1. 2 million Animist South-Sudanese killed by the Sudanese Arabs from 1983 to 2011.
2. 3 million Hindus exterminated by Pakistani Muslims during the 1971 Liberation of Bangladesh.
3. Thousands of Buddhists killed by Muslims in Chittagong Hill Tracts from 1977-2016.
4. A total of 400,000 indigenous people exterminated by Indonesian Muslims in New Guinea, 1962-2016.
5. A total of 300,000 indigenous people exterminated by Indonesian Muslims in Timor, 1975-1999.
6. Tens of thousands of Kashmiri Pandits (Hindus) killed by Muslims during 1989-2016.
7. More than 6,000 Greek Christians exterminated by Turkish Muslims, during the Turkish invasion of Cyprus.

Sure yeah.

Muslims are not terrorists.  Except when they are.

Problem is that europe and usa was so dumb to let uneducated muslims to live in their countries. Some syrians don't even try to learn english (let alone integrating or getting education)

Actually most muslims who migrated to Europe and North America change their traditions.
If they are educated they basically integrate into new country they got.
Did you ever hear muslim engineer (who works in usa) to join terrorist groups?
It basically nearly never happens.

I know this because I am from muslim country.
For example I plan to go Poland to live and study for like 6 months, if I can go, I would just join their clubs, parties or daily routines. I would eat their food, I would learn their language I would basically live by their style etc.

Problem is that europe and usa was so dumb to let uneducated muslims to live in their countries. Some syrians don't even try to learn english (let alone integrating or getting education)

This is a topic that I completely agree with you. You can't really "categorize" an entire religion for a few people's actions.

exactly.. perfectly agreed.. but 85% of muslims supports those terrorist both financially and emotionally.. for that reason most of the muslims are terrorist for me..

Actually most muslims who migrated to Europe and North America change their traditions.
If they are educated they basically integrate into new country they got.
Did you ever hear muslim engineer (who works in usa) to join terrorist groups?
It basically nearly never happens.....

In the HISTORY of the world, who has KILLED maximum INNOCENT
human beings

1) "Hitler"
Do you know who he was

He was a Christian, but media will never call Christians terrorists.


Point of correction, Hitler was an atheist not a christian. He slaughtered so many Jews in his lifetime.



"MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS
AND
TERRORISTS ARE NOT MUSLIMS."

Please remove first double standards on Killings.



You seem to be living in denial. All the people who kill chant Allahu akbar all the time. They pray five times a day and observe all the other rules, this terrorism by Muslims is worldwide, even in third world African countries.

Totally agree. Terrorists have absolutely no religion at all, they have no relation with Islam or any other religion. All the religions in the world teach peace and harmony. None teach hate and terror.

Totally agree. Terrorists have absolutely no religion at all, they have no relation with Islam or any other religion. All the religions in the world teach peace and harmony. None teach hate and terror.

Totally agree. Terrorists have absolutely no religion at all, they have no relation with Islam or any other religion. All the religions in the world teach peace and harmony. None teach hate and terror.

I don't want to start an argument here so I'm just going to make my answer very simple.

Agree on "Not all muslims are terrorists." Of course there are non-violent people out there in the Muslim community. If all of Muslims are terrorists, then it should not be called a 'religion' anymore. It should then be called an 'army'.

Also agree on "Terrorists are not muslims." Although most terrorists are born and raised as Muslims, the reason they kill people is because they don't even understand their religion. Although some part of Quran clearly promotes killing people. Maybe that's the only part they focus on. ::)

I think there perspective is just blinded by the hype that started during that 9/11 attack. And those terrorist were raised or taught to be like that or even borned.

And on the part of Quran promoting killing??I just knew that. Gotta do some research.

I don't want to start an argument here so I'm just going to make my answer very simple.

Agree on "Not all muslims are terrorists." Of course there are non-violent people out there in the Muslim community. If all of Muslims are terrorists, then it should not be called a 'religion' anymore. It should then be called an 'army'.

Also agree on "Terrorists are not muslims." Although most terrorists are born and raised as Muslims, the reason they kill people is because they don't even understand their religion. Although some part of Quran clearly promotes killing people. Maybe that's the only part they focus on. ::)

Agreed, but in every religion there are few who are more attached to the religion. These people when experience people disobeying the religious beliefs engage themselves into the correction of people which eventually turn to be terrorism.

Well, what about the Muslims who are, plain and simply stated, stupid? NO OFFENCE INTENDED.  Some of all populations are stupid.  Average IQ is 100, and some are below that and some are above it.

I could have believed you. But the facts claim otherwise. Please answer my following questions:

1. Why 99% of the religious terrorism in the world is being carried out by the Muslims?
2. Why none of the Muslim majority nations are free from terrorism?
3. Why more than 90% of the "refugees" are Muslim?

Its just few bunch of people who are responsible to create a negative image of entire community, and because of those few people the reputation of entire religion is at stake.

"There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world today. Of course not all of them are radicals. The majority of them are peaceful people. The radicals are estimated to be between 15-25% according to all intelligence services around the world.

"That leaves 75% of [Muslims being] peaceful people. But when you look at 15-25% of the world's Muslim population, you're looking at 180 million to 300 million people dedicated to the destruction of Western civilization. That is as big as the United States."

the FBI Terrorist list of 59 FBI defined terrorist organizations. Of these, 43 were muslim terrorists.

Its more than just a few though.

How many in ISIS, boko haram, al qaeda, Islamic Revolutionary Guard, etc.

Then we have all the rapefugees rioting, raping and pilaging as they go.

Well, USA kinda did invade their countries

They think they will withdraw if they keep doing terrorism

We only focus on terroism being wrong, but we do not see how we started it

Rule no.1
Don't invade someone elses country if they don't start murdering people

It's USAs fault for poking their bloody nose everywhere

It's too late now, we have unleashed a beast, a beast called ISIS

And it needs to be ended with troops on the ground

I hardly think 25% of Muslims are radical lol

Maybe 25% in Iraq  :D

Totally agree. Terrorists have absolutely no religion at all, they have no relation with Islam or any other religion. All the religions in the world teach peace and harmony. None teach hate and terror.

Well, what about the Muslims who are, plain and simply stated, stupid? NO OFFENCE INTENDED.  Some of all populations are stupid.  Average IQ is 100, and some are below that and some are above it.

So some stupid guys read "Slay the unbelievers <<followed by a bunch of stuff about when and why and how>>"..

And they remember "Slay the unbelievers."

Kind of a problem you Muslims have, isn't it?

I agree with u. Muslim are not terrorists and terrorists are not Muslims. And I think terrorists are not region of world. terrorists is terrorists. They are most danger my world.

Say what you just said to my sister..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5FIy5C01zg

who is killing "" in the name of god ""(alah)?

How can u say that Muslims are terrorists,Muslims are the most peaceful nation of the world.whole world is blaming that Muslims are terrorist just because of few people who are following wrong path.Not a single muslim country attacked any non muslim country and become ruler of that place like Israel,America and NATO.What about Palestine,Iraq and Afghanistan and who is responsible of killing innocent children and people of these countries.

Prophet Muhammad PBUH said
It is narrated on the authority of ‘Abdullah that a woman was found killed in one of the battles fought by the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). He disapproved of the killing of women and children.  (Book 019, Number 4319 Sahih Muslim)

The Prophet, peace be upon him, said to me during Hajjat-al-Wida’: Let the people keep quiet and listen. Then he said (addressing the people), “Do not (become infidels) revert to disbelief after me by striking the necks (cutting the throats) of one another (killing each other).”

Narrated by Jarir, Sahih Al-Bukhari, Hadith 1:122
Islam is strictly against terrorism or taking the live of innocents.Islam only promote brotherhood and peace among people.

I agree with this statement.
Nobody is bad because of his religion, race, nationality, sex etc.
We are good or bad persons based on our character and personality, not because I'm Christian and you are Muslim.
Unfortunately, after each terrorist attack people forget it and start to accuse all Muslims or even Islam for the evil deeds of a few people.
It's not right attitude and thinking.
We should do better and show tolerance and acceptance to loyal Muslims in our local communities.
If we don't do this, more Muslims will feel isolated and unwanted in their European countries and this may help further radicalization of young Muslims in Europe.

I agree with this statement.
Nobody is bad because of his religion, race, nationality, sex etc.
We are good or bad persons based on our character and personality, not because I'm Christian and you are Muslim.
Unfortunately, after each terrorist attack people forget it and start to accuse all Muslims or even Islam for the evil deeds of a few people.
It's not right attitude and thinking.
We should do better and show tolerance and acceptance to loyal Muslims in our local communities.
....

Right. It's all a big conspiracy to get Muslims to look bad, isn't it?

it seems... I hope someday the world be in peace... there's a song named 'Pais e Filhos' (Parents and children), from a brazilian 80's rock band called 'Legião Urbana' (Urban Legion,I know all that cuz I'm brazilian) that says 'É preciso amar as pessoas como se não houvesse amanhã' (Is necessary to love the people like no tomorrow), I think that people should act like that

ISIS.  Many, many terrorist Islamic groups preceeded ISIS and will come after it.  

No, it's not the USA's fault.  (Neither is ISIS focused on the USA, of course).

No, "we" are not the cause of terrorism.

The cause is ideological and stems from thought such as that of Sayaad Qutd, who started the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and who was executed by Nassir for Treason.

Middle East has been disrupted forever,blaming America is just the most current rallying point for the area. How else can you get so many people with issues against each other to come together,you find something big to blame. Its to easy to say blame America,Afghanistan has been screwed by everyone going back to Alexander the Great.
The divisions in the religion do not help the matters either. This will become more apparent in the next 5 years if not this year with all these stupid proxy wars.

agree with that,and good explain to people who still blame islam in terorr,and for those people who still blame islam is behind ISIS,they should read this.
i'm sure there wa some people with bad purpose stand behind this terrorist,they want islam down and then beat islam with no power,but they want islam down by all people in this world blame islam. but its will not happen!

ISIS  :D It's not ISIS..ISLAM is blaming ISLAM and will keep doing this for ever..

muslim is not terrorist  :'( :'(

muslim is not terrorist  :'( :'(

You're so stupid. The fact why we don't call Hitler a Christian terrorist is because he did not killed all the Jews, the Tsigans etc. for his faith, unlike the terrorists.

Are you saying if someone kills innocent people,unless he kills them for his faith, is not a terrorist? So Hitler was not a terrorist because he killed human beings because he hate jews but still he wasn't a terrorist?

...They agree with pushing a Muslim World Order....

Omgggg.  99 percent muslim is terrorist. We should be dead now.  Hot wallet.  Cold wallet ur btc now. Name the heir. Fast!

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