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Hi

So I started a thread for selling Starbucks Gift Cards and got a "Money Laundering" negative feedback on my account on February 22, 2016 by EcuaMobi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=169515).

Some important facts about it:

1) I was given the negative trust the same day I opened my thread.
2) There were about 2-3 more Starbucks threads, open for months now and active that day but none of those sellers were given the feedback.



So I messaged EcuaMobi and explained him why he should take back the negative trust. A part of the message I sent him was this:

"1) I am reselling the gift cards so I am definitely NOT laundering money. Im just buying from somebody and selling it here. Is that not what all physical stores and everybody on earth does? Manufacturer > Wholesaler > Retailer! That's not money laundering.

2) I have never scammed anybody and I am willing to accept escrow for my transactions. That proves that I dont want to and cannot (if escrow is used) defraud anybody.

3) As far as the source of the gift cards is concerned, please think about this:
     
      a) Newbies are selling these cards from similar sources.
      b) Everybody here is buying anyways.
      c) Newbies have a risk attached with them that they might, after a few good deals, run away with the money and make a new account.
      d) If I sell the same cards, I eliminate that risk making the community safer in effect.
      e) Its allowed by the forum rules.

So please think about it and kindly remove your negative feedback fro my trust. Waiting for your reply :) "

I would like to ask other members (especially on DT), to think about the above statements and tell me if they are wrong!
Also, according to me the first 2 points prove that his allegations about money laundering and defrauding are completely wrong.


I also gave him 15 links including 13 members selling either gift cards, methods to scam companies and cracked accounts and asked him why he hasn't tagged them when those threads are running for months but mine was tagged on the first day! I would like to ask members here, can this just be a coincidence or he's actually misusing his DT status and protecting a selected few sellers? If its a coincidence its a BIG one!

He since has tagged about 3-4 members from those 13 members list I gave him. Not surprised to see that today the exact same members were tagged by the so called "HateLeague (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1375545.msg13993517#msg13993517)" and most of those members have positive trust ratings for each other! Another coincidence?


Now coming to my negative feedbacks, please consider these points:

1) I have already "haulted" my Starbucks sales (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373186.msg13968428#msg13968428) and told this to EcuaMobi and agreed to lock the thread once he proves he's acting in a fair way and is not protecting some sellers.

2) So, I am indeed not selling anymore. So he finds another thread of mine where I am selling Groupon vouchers and gives me a neg trust for that. Keep in mind he didnt have any issues with that till I asked him to prove himself to be unbias. And if he didnt look at my post history before tagging me, he doesnt deserve to call himself an experienced member. According to me, that will be his escuse to this.

3) So he has the time to bully someone who has already haulted the sales, but cant find time to tag sellers actively selling? That seems more sketchy than the sellers' behavior


Now he has another point in his feedback saying "If you deal with this user you may be helping committing a crime. "

First of all, if you are unsure, please don't spoil somebody's rep. Get some solid proof (like you demand from sellers) and then give the negative feedback.

Secondly, the members buying (Many of them trusted and some even on DT) are also "helping committing a crime." according to EcuaMobi himself. So why no negative trust to the buyers? They are doing the same thing as the sellers, right? "helping committing a crime."


So to summarize it:

1) My account was tagged the same day when other sellers were allowed to continue selling for months.
2) I have proved (according to me), that his allegations of money laundering, defrauding and "may be" helping in a crime are all baseless and not true.
3) EcuaMobi has been selectively handing out the negative trusts, ignoring a few sellers with the intention of probably protecting them.
4) I already haulted my Starbucks sales, so he finds another lame reason to tag my account (which was not a problem just 2 days ago)
5) Can't understand the reason why he is not tagging buyers since in his own words they too are "helping committing a crime."

What I would like the community to do:

1) Remove EcuaMobi from DT since he is clearly misusing that power
                                          OR
2) Ask him to take back all the baseless negative trusts he has given out
                                          OR
3) Set a deadline for him to give out negative trusts to ALL SELLERS AND BUYERS not just a few.

I agree, this trust system is bogus.

So many power trippers and the trust system isnt even about trust anymore. People are handing out neg reps like candy without even looking into it or being affected by it.

Which sources would those be?


That's because people sell them here. No sellers = no buyers.
Not preaching here, don't care about how you make your money, but this is not the place for it. It's smart not to shit where you sleep, so please don't.

I can't stay 24h/day 7days/week online checking the forum. I happened to see your thread immediately because I was mentioned (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373186.msg13968718#msg13968718) there and got a PM explicitly asking for my opinion about it.

As I said I can't spend too much time on the forum. Besides until recently I was only after sellers who explicitly admit their cards are hacked or bought with stolen cards. I recently decided to start a campaign against those who don't admit it, like yourself.
More info about the campaign here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1375545.0

That just proves you don't even know the origin of your cards. If you don't steal them yourself it doesn't mean they're not stolen. If what you say is true then you're helping the thief/money launderer and people who buy from you are indirectly doing it too.

As I said more than once already via PM: I'm not accusing you of scamming people here. I'm accusing you of selling stolen goods. Someone else was scammed in order to make this business possible.

I agree it is a big problem. We all must work together to stop it.

As I told you via PM I already contacted them. Some have stopped, others haven't replied/been online yet and I've left negative trust to others. Regarding the "coincidence" I already explained it above.
There are too many illegal GC sellers and there's only one of me. That's why I'm asking the help of other DT members (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1375545.0). I guess that will also prove I'm not protecting anybody because I couldn't prevent other DT members to tag everyone.
And regarding your crazy accusation of course none of the "HateLeague" is my alt. But fortunately they seem to have joined the campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1375545.0).

No, you didn't really stop. You just temporarily halted and didn't even lock your thread! To make it worse you bumped your other money-launder thread! (http://archive.is/SSnmk). That just made it clear you had no intentions to stop or collaborate with this.

I started warning and tagging others but -I repeat- I can't spend so much time here. I need help.


To summarize:

• I ask everyone to post your comments about the anti-money-laundery campaign here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1375545.0
• I ask other users, especially DT members, to join this campaign
• As bargainbin said: stopping sellers would stop buyers. And I consider selling much worst than buying it, mainly because the seller knows as a fact they're illegal and because they do it a lot of times. Tagging sellers is causing a lot of controversy; adding buyers would cause even more and require even more time, but if other DT members would go that far feel free to do it.

I agree wholeheartedly that the trust system is broken but I'm 100% down with nixxing gift card sales.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I am thinking for along time how to proof mist cards are illegal. I always skipped those that seem fishy. I like this move, i will join it!

The DS needs to be cleaned out!

A lot of the responsibility goes to the forum admin and moderators.
There should be a FIRM rule of what is allowed to be sold and what's not. Simple.
There should also be more attention towards obvious scammers like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1375835.0

Don't come to me with the "it's not possible to create firm rules..." BS, i don't buy it... other forums do it, so should BCT.

BB's post still comes in handy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1025091.msg11094395#msg11094395

Speaking of which, a new giftcard shop is already inaugurated in the Digital Goods section https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1375870.0  Will he be negged ? :P

I welcome suggestions and hints about suspicious looking topics via pm.

I have seen you post twice now stating agreement when it has already been written that you where a part or on the list to join. This is slightly deceptive tactic to make it look like the numbers are increasing in the favor of this group. The more I see you lot posting like this,the more I worry about the power drunk running amok in the forum.

a) Newbies are selling these cards from similar sources.

Newbies are selling illegal gift cards and so you also want to sell illegal gift cards? Does it make them or you right in any way? Conscience tells us what is right and what is wrong. If others do wrong, we shouldn't follow them.



b) Everybody here is buying anyways.


Yes, people are buying it which is absolutely wrong. It's the same case like buying illegal drugs, guns and so on. If anyone starts selling drugs, the person can become a millionaire in a day so can you defend that too? Everyone will buy drugs so you'll be selling it or reselling it? You can't defend a crime nor can support it. These gift cards are purchase from stolen credit cards which means the people who are buying such gift cards are equally to be blamed like the ones selling it.

People buying it are helping the websites to be cheated. Websites like Amazon/Starbucks lose thousands of dollars because of such frauds and they can easily catch the people who get the products shipped to their addresses.


c) Newbies have a risk attached with them that they might, after a few good deals, run away with the money and make a new account.
d) If I sell the same cards, I eliminate that risk making the community safer in effect.


Run away with the money? Illegal products need some sort of a confirmation/security that people are assured that their illegal product will be delivered to them? That hurts legal buyers/sellers.


e) Its allowed by the forum rules.

Forum doesn't allow this but it doesn't stop it too. That doesn't mean you should sell illegal stuff blindly.




To add to the above. I am a genuine seller of gift cards. I earn these gift cards and many a times I was asked by these so called sellers to buy their stolen gift cards and I would make a lot of money from it. I better don't earn a penny than do WRONG. Because of these buyers (like you), people like me suffer as all prefer buying illegal stuff for 20-25% rather than pay more to buy legal stuff. By God's grace, there are still good people here who prefer buying legal stuff and paying more and that's how I've been able to sell my gift cards. I don't know why and how can you defend and support such a crime and complain about being caught and marked with a negative. If you don't know or are unaware, escrow.ms (a DT user) was caught for receiving funds from hacked/stolen credit cards and he has been arrested. It's not a similar case but you too are getting yourself into trouble by buying and reselling illegal stuff. Kindly stop it.

I dont have any power around here. I am just a user like you. I dont care about my position in the trust system. I dont need a group to write what i think or to think what i think. The only power i have is the power you give me. Somehow you think my words are more valuable than others. Thats not the case. Dont make yourself smaller than you are.

I am on a spree to clean the DS. For some reason orhers are too. I dont care about "our numbers".

Totally agree, same thing happened to me. I was selling few gift cards here which I get them by certain method which I can prove it to any mod on here then I have found this guy ecuamobi and his alts is dropping negative trust feedbacks on me although I did not sell any more cards these days.
He threatened me either I tell him how I am getting these cards or he will ruin my account and my business although he is not a mod or even a trusted member on here.
Although he has too many negative feedbacks, he accuses me that I am doing money launderng which again I did not do money launderng and I have been on this forum for long time and I did not even commit single scam attempt to any member on here.

The conclusion is that I need the trusted members that gave him the positive feedback to think about it because he is abusing it by trying to know how other members doing their business and earn money. Again I want to say that I am ready to prove how I was getting those cards to any of the admins or the mods but not to this abuser.

I hope any of the admins or mods hear our voices on here and stop this guy of what he is doing.

Any proof he "threatend" you?

Trust is not moderated. What protects people like you, protects the feedback. Funny, isnt it?

PLEASE remove EcuaMobi off of DT! I witnessed the whole thing myself!

He is a massive trust abuser. Who do I PM to take him off DT?

You should specify you agree with OP, otherwise it would seem you agree with everyone else.

That's exactly what I politely asked you and you refused. You just had to prove it to any trusted member and we could have avoided all this mess.

Or any other trusted member. Personally I'd prefer if you prove it to someone else, not me.

Probably I shouldn't say this myself, but I'm pretty sure most users here disagree with you on this.

I have several untrusted negative trust because I've been fighting scammers and they usually leave fake retaliation trust (like the one you left on my profile after I exposed you).
If you see some of those feedback as trusted then you must have some really messed up trust list!

When you say "abusing" you mean "trying to stop the selling of illegal giftcards", right?
Feel free to contact them.

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I know you disagree with trying to stop the selling of illegal goods, you've made that clear in the past (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373186.msg13987572#msg13987572).
You don't think selling illegal goods is wrong, but I disagree with you.

FYI I'm on DT because dserrano5 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=17768) added me to his trust list, so I guess you can contact him. Make sure to mention you want him to remove me because I'm fighting the selling of illegal goods here.

First ,Do you think by abusing the trust feedback , the admins will make you a mod or something because you are making yourself as "a bitcointalk cop" ? :D
This is pathetic dude stop kissing the admins asses to be a mod.

Second, it is not your fucking business and i am not obligated to prove you how i get those cards and you are now crying because i did not tell you the method i was getting those cards like a loser kid.

Third, I am ready to show any mod on here how i was obtaining those cards "This not for you EcuaMobi" :) .

Fourth, Prove that those negative feedbacks on your account were because of "The scam busting operation you are doing over here" :)


Man, your situation is too weak here so I advise you to step back of abusing and ruining other members feedback and investigate first about them before you accuse them for nothing.

Again for you "abusing" means "trying to stop the selling of illegal giftcards", right?
My only intention is stopping or at least slowing down the selling of illegal items on the forum. I couldn't care less about becoming a mod. I wouldn't even have the time for that.
And actually I think being "controversial" reduces the chances of becoming a mod, not sure about that.

Then don't! I don't want you to prove anything to me. As I've said several times prove it to another trusted user.

Then do it. Stop saying that and just do it: contact a mod, an escrow or other trusted member and do it.

It's absolutely clear those are fake. Of course you're not serious about this ::)
Just a tip: you should trust only the feedback that appears as "trusted"  ;)

Actually it's got the support of several trusted members. I can't see any trusted user supporting you.

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Just stop your nonsense arguments and prove your method is legal to a very trusted member. I don't even want to know. Once he confirms everything is legal then I'll remove my feedback.

You are a child and you sell stolen stuff, so I don't have sympathy for you and if you don't like that then you can fuck yourself.  It's true you don't have to prove how you got whatever it is you're selling, but making the assumption that a deep discount on giftcards means they're stolen...9 times out of 10 it's valid.  So go cry me a river somewhere else.

I figured that I would stop by in this thread to say that I don't disagree with the negative trust left for the OP.

The OP essentially admits to the fact that the Starbucks Gift Cards he is/was selling came from illegitimate sources. I really can't see how this could be any more clear to me.

Another one : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=373026
Account seems to be hacked, but definitely involved in laundering.   -edit- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1266275.0

Dude, how do you know I am selling stolen stuff?
Man do not accuse anybody without a proof so JUST FUCK OFF.

Innocent until proven guilty doesn't work here. It has been tried several times in the past and members have been scammed out of several BTC because of it. If you want your negative trust removed, rather than bitching about it here, prove that you are getting your cards from legitimate sources and I'm sure EcuaMobi and others will be happy to remove the trust.

I am not bitching here. I already messaged Ognasty few hours ago and told him about everything,  proved everything although he may reply telling that I am legit, this guy and the other spiteful guys will not shut up or remove the negative feedback until they know how I was getting those cards. It is a sort of extortion which it is very obvious to anyone.

Yes, exactly. As I said previously, it must work this way to try and prevent others getting scammed by people with malicious intention.

It's not extortion; the people leaving the trust get nothing of personal gain out of this. Extortion would be "I'm going to tag you with negative trust until you give me a gift card for free".
What the people in the "hatesquad" are doing is essentially a blanket attack against those who sell illegally obtained gift cards. Granted this may not be completely effective, though there isn't much of a better way to go about it.

I am totally agree with what you are doing guys and I wish i can help you after i prove that i am legit. I am trying to detect and fight scammers as well here believe me and I think you are accusing the wrong guy.

I will be very happy to remove the negative feedback from your profile after Ognasty confirms you're obtaining all your 14+ kinds of cards legally.
And I'll be willing to join efforts with you to fight scammers in the future.

Just putting it out here
Changed my feedback to neutral

I've just done the same under the condition he stops the selling of any gift card, groupon code or similar unless he previously proves to a trusted member the method is legal.

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This reply doesn't deserve it's own post so I'm just editing this one.

Sure! That's why I'm asking everyone to help stopping all illegal-GC sellers! Makes sense!  ::)

Some people really can't understand why others would spend time and effort, receive retaliation feedback and even insults to try and stop untrustworthy users without just wanting to benefit themselves. A lot of users don't understand why others care about people getting scammed if they're not directly affected. They do everything just to benefit themselves without thinking on anybody else and they don't understand why others would act differently... It's really sad to be honest.

Maybe you're his competition. Who knows :)

I dunno why OgNasty did not reply yet. I already messaged him.

Just be patient, dude.  And my words were harsh but I have no power here, nor did I leave you any feedback.  And as minifrij said, this isn't the US Justice Department here, it's bitcointalk where hacked/cracked/carded shit abounds.  Strong suspicion is enough reason to leave negative trust.

Because in the other thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1376014.msg14024291#msg14024291) he said you didnt sent him am pm...

EDIT: well two posts below he said someone send something, hm.

Good idea, collective punishment for all users who either buy or sell gift cards legitimate or not because some people are too stupid or corrupt to do it right. Just because you don't use these services and it is no skin off your back doesn't mean other people shouldn't be able to use these services, many of which are actually legitimate. Once this inquisition against banning things that are not against the rules starts it never stops. You just made this fact abundantly clear.

I apologize for voicing such an extreme opinion,  tecshare.  I should have realized gift card sales and the state of the trust system are sensitive subjects for you. :'(

Don't be such a child. This isn't about me and you know it, you just see these other jamokes taking pot shots at me and figure it is a lazy way to make a poor attempt at discrediting my point by making a personal attack. Don't be such a lemming. Use your brain and think about what I said instead of just attacking me like a little bitchy teenage girl because I offended you by criticizing your precious opinion based on your very extensive history trading here I am sure.

Bitcoin is an opportunity for people to have freedom to exchange without interference from others. What you are suggesting is taking that freedom away to protect idiots that will get robbed anyway, and to stop thieves who will commit crimes anyway. What is next? Where does it stop? Should we shut down the internet because crimes are committed upon it? Maybe we should ban cash because criminals use cash. FUCK WE SHOULD BAN BITCOIN BECAUSE CRIMINALS USE IT! This way no one will even have to use their brains to discriminate. It will be really easy, either you are for us or you are against us! No more confusion who the scammers are- it is everyone who doesn't follow "your way".

Tecshare I am not against you whether you believe it or not but you have a tendency to play the victim and I'm not victimizing you. 

No, none of those things should happen.  I'm just talking about this forum and allowing illegal things here.  I'd say most deeply discounted gc's are carded so it's no great loss to this forum if those sales get banned.  Same thing if scams were banned here.  We'll have to agree to disagree. 

And once again you can't resist making it personal. Back on topic...

Tell me please, in your perfect plan of banning only "deeply discounted" gift cards, exactly what will be the cut off discount in order to make the sale acceptable? 40%? 25%? 10%? Does this change for each retailer gift card or is this universal? Who makes these decisions? Who enforces them? What is stopping carders from selling gift cards at full price? You see how your "simple" solution is not so simple? This will just result in putting every gift card retailer at risk of harassment in order to stop people who will get robbed anyway from getting robbed temporarily and provide only a minor hassle to thieves. Sounds like a well thought out plan to me.

If you don't like having your poorly thought out ideas criticized I suggest you refrain from posting them in public.

Thos forum is private. Sellers can go elsewhere. Ofc administration can also tell us to stop. Easy thing. I know there a plenty of places where they are welcomed with open arms...

Believe they neg rep and then you have to prove you get the giftcards in a legit way. If they can not do that you see a army of neg reps all stating the same thing. Its really blackmail because they force people into a defensive stance all the well acting like people do not look into neg reps for influencing deals.
But this is all for the better of the community. Sweep aside the fact they are making names for themselves, building trust.

 Yes, plenty of places...like...like... well they exist I know it!

Tell me, what part of your reply makes this a good idea? Its easy for people who don't ever buy or sell gift cards to just say ban it all because it doesn't effect them. Why would you give a shit if other legitimate users are limited? No skin off your back. Just slowly ban everything one by one until nothing is allowed FTW. Then there will be no crime on the internet!

I say we make a new rule that anyone who has never traded here should be banned from posting on the forum. After all it is a private forum and they can do what they want! Your logic is flawless.

Ever heard of google? Took me 10 seconds to find places in the clear web.


The part: "Sellers can go elsewhere"


I buy a lot of GCs, obviously not here. And not for discounts like 80% ::)


All two of them??


A lot of stuff still is. open your eyes.


I dont care about the internet, i care about BTCT. Said this before.


Your logic has flaws. I dont need to do any trades to see what is right and wrong. I could also say anyone never configged a router via telnet should not be allowed to go online. Doesnt make sense right? Exactly like your statement.

Love how my posts get deleted.  Take it personally if you want but don't PM me with bs.

I'm not proposing a cutoff.  I'm for banning all of them.  Sorry if you're unable to accept my position on that.  My opinion here carries no weight whatsoever, so it shouldn't matter to you or anyone else.

I am not sure you could get any further from anything that constitutes a valid argument. When you have no argument, just make shit up! Most people are too stupid to notice how full of shit you are anyway right?

There sure must be lots of places to trade freely elsewhere, because clearly you have no problems listing them. I am also willing to bet most of them require all kinds of personal information, restrictions, and other bullshit that would not constitute p2p trading.


That is not a reasoning for your argument, that is just you repeating your previous statement. Saying they can go elsewhere does not demonstrate how this is a good thing for Bitcointalk.



Yes, because you are content trading elsewhere fuck everyone else who does right? BTW not all the gift cards sold here are at a 80% discount. Some are legitimate and reasonably discounted and come from things like mturk, contests, or affiliate ad programs, but fuck those people too right?


If you have no argument, oversimplify and just make shit up. Works wonders.


Yeah... until it isn't. The list is shrinking daily. Not because the staff of the forum say so, but because self proclaimed dictators of the rules such as yourself decide so. There is always going to be some dumbshit vigilante that objects to everything, resulting in nothing being allowed eventually.


If you think banning certain types of trading from Bitcointalk will even make a tiny dent in the fraud here you are even more retarded than I thought.


Actually I was being facetious in order to demonstrate how idiotic your reasoning for a blanket ban was. Thank you for confirming that you believe your own logic to have flaws.





I PMed you because your comments were off topic personal attacks and I thought it would be best to not shit up the thread by replying to it here. This is the reason coincidentally your comment was removed, because it was focused at me and not on the topic.

I am sorry you are unable to accept my position that your position is idiotic, which has nothing to do with your level of influence around here. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree right?

first i thought of replying:

"i wont reply to you anymore because i think you are a fucktard. if you cant google, not my problem."

but then i noticed it is too much fun to anoy you.

buy giftcards (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=buy+cheap+giftcards)

If you intressted in selling some why you dont start at HF? Let me guess because you dont manage to sign up? Just because you dont find those sites doesnt mean they dont exists. if you need help, go and ask the nanny. google exists, go and use it.


techshare, techshare, techashre... how dare you are, didnt you also wrote in the same post



i could ask you to list the legit ones but i guess you wont do so as i pissed you off before, right eh?


i like it how you bow before me, but there is no need for. did i mention i am a german? I just thought it would be usefull so you can play the nazi card again.


how about thinking before posting? i just quick checked the DS, still looks better than 4 weeks ago. Nice how you own your self.

Stop screaming at you screen and maybe try to write like a normal human being would do. I know you will go on and put in some hard words, cause thats the only thing you can do when you are mad. bad boy...

i wont reply again to you as i think its not worth it, if you have something to say please fill out the report (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583076.msg13896461#msg13896461). we can work on your butthurt that angers you so much.

^ These are the type of people deciding who gets to trade here and who doesn't. Think about that for a second people.
I think it is time I exclude Blazed from my trust list for adding these people. Sorry buddy, you are making some very poor choices.

BTW, you give yourself far too much credit. You are simply a fly feeding of the annoying shit in the middle of the room everyone refuses to clean up, but don't let me stop you from masturbating your ego even more while you judge everyone from your position of minuscule amounts of authority that you clearly can't handle.

Blazed didn't even add whywefight. Sure, mexxer and I are on Blazeds trust list, and we both have whywefight on our downlist (which only makes him DT3 btw).
Go ahead, exclude me, if you think it's that bad. I want to see his feedbacks, he'll stay in my list.

u mad bro? sure let scammers trade, sounds like a plan! JUST IN CASE YOU MISSED IT, you might be a good trader but a lot of people just scamming others. maybe have a look in the scam accusations?

I dont give me any credit, you do. I would mastrubate while watching porn with one of those cracked brazzers accounts... oh wait... we took em down... too bad. I dont have any "authority" or "power". You just gave me some by taking a bow. Please stop that.



Like you couldnt handle once upon a time (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846683.0)?

OH THE SHAME! The shame of being removed from a broken system of nepotism over a single negative rating blown completely out of proportion. I am sure this is much worse than your pages of rapid fire negatives and dozens of complaint threads against you for your ratings. BTW, thanks for bringing that up. Now everyone can see how right I was in predicting the current state of affairs of the forum way back then.

You think you are going to even slow down scammers? That is the real joke. They return seconds later with a bought account while legitimate users get months or years of effort wasted when you neg the wrong person hastily. You are driving out the good users while not even slowing down the scammers. That is not what I call helpful.

You are still butthurt but this time you dont write a 6000 words novel about it. good thing.


All propper researched and with a ref, you should have taken a closer look, also a way to resolve issues connected with them. oh you dont know how to resolve issues. my bad.


my young padawan, i dont see a thread about me.


it was okay around that time, it still is. like i said, it was cool when it worked the way you liked it, as soon as it changed you didnt like it. tz, tz, tz...


proven, it does.


i hope you had a good laugh.


no worries, we catch those too.


are we talking about you now or scammers? Wasnt it you who -ved because of his feelings got hurt?


I dont see the "good" guys complaining.


That is what you think, but actually not what is happening.


You whining isnt helpfull. Why dont you come up with better ideas if you are so superior?

Ill read your next posts but wont reply until you have a better idea. Shouldnt be a problem for someone like you, eh?

And when I don't want to listen to your trolling you troll my trust page.  So go ahead and report this post like a whiny bitch but in case you haven't noticed we do things out in the open on bitcointalk.  I don't like pm's and thus I blocked you. 

The part about things being handled out in the forum does not ring true for me. Had a account leave neutral trust about me being a yobit spammer.
If you want a rabbithole look into riseDARK, suddenly leaving comments about spammers after what looks like a defaulted loan with Whywefight.
No history of red comments till me and antirage who still wears the warning.
When dealing with people that transact in accounts you really can not tell where the damage is coming from. Thats your open forum!

Ok I guess I speak for myself only.  I don't debate via PM anymore.  Reminds me of arguing on Youtube circa 2010. 

Maybe riseDARK couldnt post because i was holding his account, till i decided to release it so he can work his debt off. His account wasnt worth what he owes me and due you people wanted me to stop selling accounts from defaulted loans i did so to get my money back. As soon is i saw him asking for a loan i left a feedback for him.

You asked for it, you got it

When discussions get troll like I have no issue settling a issue that got out of hand in pm. But I do understand where you are coming from.
Think Techshare is being discredited based on past experience and I think thats a weak way for people to gloss over his views. Thats just a comment in relation to the whole thread, not directed any which way.

No. Unless you had the account in the last 72 hours, the neutral trust was yesterday. His reponse was last night and his loan request was today. Could not find any thread where you released him from his debt.
So he was doing you a favor or was it you?

I have an opinion which he doesn't like and there's no reason to take it to pm's.  There's no reason to troll my trust page, and that's close to what got him removed from DT in the first place.  It's current actions I'm basing my judgement on,  but the past can't be ignored totally.

You also make him out to be a victim and he's not.   He got booted out of the good old boys' club and he's still mad about that.

I had the account for months. Maybe you do some propper research and you will find a post from altcoinhosting that states so. riseDARK did some work for me in 2015. His debt is around this time. There is a thread with an overview about my loans... easy to spot. I added the feedback as soon as someone pinged me. If YOU want to pay his debt or have some work for him, let me know.

What is going on between you two and your trust is bad, not endorsing that. Was just reading this thread looking at the attempts to discredit him in the same manner used on myself till they backed that aspect. I sold two giftcards which made what I had to say about giftcard sales a wash.
Its a smear campaign if you are not in line.

Hopefully the trust issue you two have can be sorted.

You misunderstand but pretty sure you know what I am talking about. Was pretty clear and his red trust comment about yobit spam has a date. You want to use other accounts to come at me, so be it!

Lame attemp. You really think i use the accounts i hold to -ve you?? Look at the seclog, pw change is the date when he got the acc back. Dude, for real: learn to research stuff.

Come at you... thats so funny. Be sure if i would do so i would use my own account. Bwahahahaha...