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i hear a lot of people (ehm monero or nsa or other anon coins supporters) screaming all around the web about the DASH scam or whatever

is there any victim of this scam? can you reveal here in which way and how much you lost? what is the scheme?
i want numbers, real stories

Evan dumping the coins he instamined, how can you proove that?

The fact that it's possible is proof enough (atleast enough for me to stay away from it). He mined the shit out of Darkcoin in the first days of release. Then after he mined the shit out of it, as if it wasn't enough, he lowered the blockreward to smth like 1/10th of what it was.

He held fake polls here after he was discovered. He proposed some sort of "AirDrop" to give away free coins to make up for his instamine. "Voters" (Fake accs) said clearly "No" and that it was a bad idea.. LOL, no wonder..

Either way, why would anyone base such an important decision on random voters from Bitcointalk? Exactly.. Nobody would. Because it was all rigged.

Four questions for you, all technically based:

Was dash's launch fair?

Does dash have a good distribution?

Is X11 secure?

Does darksend keep you private?

On  the dash ann and website they have advertised themselves as all of the above, yet the facts make some of these statements laughable and others down right lies. Representing yourself as something you are not is a scam (you don't need the victims to realize it before it becomes a scam--the Madoff fund was a scam long before anyone realized it). I'm sure it bugs you that you can't see it and you must think it's all politics, but I suggest you research it before your ship gets any further up river--a little research never hurt any investment, unless you are investing in denial.

 

1. there's no such a thing as fair lunch. bitcoin launch was in favor of early adopters, a few lucky ones. same as 98% of all altcoins

2. dash has same distribution as any other coin. you like it, you buy it

3. there is NOONE on this planet (yet) that was able to prove x11 is broken

4. there is NOONE on this planet (yet) that was able to prove that darksend is broken

did you actually loose money? do you know anybody that actually lost money?

1. I didn't ask about bitcoin or the 98% of alts that you claim equals none of them--I asked was dash's launch "fair," which is how it is advertised. A scam is advertising a known lie--most everyone else advertising a lie doesn't disqualify it as a scam.

2. No, that's incorrect. All coins have differing distributions. And based on the amount of coins concentrated in the top holder's hands and the rest of holder's hands, that coin can be qualified as having good or bad distribution, or at the very least better than other coins.

3. Running 11 chains together makes it 11 times as vulnerable as a single chain (a weakness in one is a weakess to them all), so when compared with a single algo that has been tested, you can say the single algorithm is more secure than running multiple hashes together because there is a bigger attack surface for an attacker. Broken isn't the point, the point is whether it is secure (when compared to available cryptosystems) or insecure.

4. Even Evan, the creator and lead developer of dash, has said that what you want in privacy is protocol-level anonymity. Who are you to disagree? I find this change in his stance laughable, because many in the cryptoworld have been saying it since he came out with the second rate privacy method that is darksend. Because he repeated the lie so long, many in the dash community are still defending what he has admitted unwanted and those defenders are using the same faulty arguments that he once endorsed--shadowcash enablers were tauting the same logic, "show me it's broken or STFU!" unitl someone broke it and shut them up. Theoretically it has been shown to be a suboptimal method for privacy--if you want to use it in the meantime, that's your prerogative, but don't expect any sympathy for using a system that even the developer of that system has acknowledged as second rate.

And yes, when I found out Bitcoin wasn't very casklike, I invested in coins claiming to be private and lost money on those coins when I sold them after researching enough to know the claims were bogus--dash (then darkcoin) was one of those coins.

just to be clear, i have 20 dash ( = peanuts) and i'm not involved in the project and i don't know the people running it,
i do a lot of research myself and i tend to not believe A WORD from this boards until i personally test it

1. for me, a scam, is a dirty lying scheme and not false advertisement. is mc donalds a scam also? they advertise a nice meal but you actually eat shit. is up to you to research a better restaurant. i still don't see a scheme in dash, i see way more partecipation and transparency there than any other community  

2. sure, some dev take more effort in finding proper means of distribution but currently looking at the charts i don't see any coin with flat distribution curve. i didn't see any claim from dash about fair distribution but i might be wrong

3. this is true for everything, not only x11 algo, look at heartbleed probably known for years by nsa. we all use and trust software until a nice day somebody breaks it down. and is as possible for x11 as is possible for any other tech out there (sha, cryptonote, pgp). btw long live the crackers :)

4. reconsidering the scope of a project is part of any software development cycle, even more when is about cutting edge work (imho), but i don't really know the past you reference and i cannot express my opinion on facts i don't know (and that i personally find not relevant)

i'm a trader too. loosing money is part of the game. i have full responsability of my actions (i'm adult) and i accept the risks of it.
i would not blame a coin form my lack of trading skills, that is not a scam but rather a bad investment :)


btw, where are the supposed dash scam victims?

Maybe your research should include the official announcement thread.

Look on page 6 for example:


Evan said he wouldn't launch after some hours... what happened? He launched after some hours...

I recently answered on another thread:


Prime among those are the ones to whom the instaminers dumped their coins during the initial pump up to 0.0267, a price which has not be reached again in two years. That not only funded the project, it likely put a lot of money straight into insiders' pockets. Subsequent pumps and prices inflated by continued double-talk and spin from Evan and others have only added to their ranks.

But smooth, "We're adults therefore any lies that we accept as true (even if advertised) are the fault of our not researching enough (even if developers are actively telling us otherwise), thus scams are impossible"--said the man before being convicted of securities fraud.

hehe



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995710.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559028.0


anyone who was told it was going to be a fair launch with no premine, no instamine and that you would have a fair chance to mine like every other launch - were scammed

they were then scammed harder when the minting was slashed to increase the instaminers swag bags.

If you don't see any scam then please go ahead and buy some over priced scam coins for 7 bucks that were being mined 1000s per min by the dev and his pals.

again read these threads - actually read them

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995710.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559028.0

get it those threads above???

again perhaps you didn't get the idea read those thread all the way through several times then come asking if anyone was scammed




https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995710.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559028.0

those threads. Perhaps you are reading the wrong threads. I hope that now I have paste them 3x for you that you will start to notice those are the threads where your questions have been asked before and answered time and time again.


If you need directing to those threads again. Then ask and I will provide the links for you.

Shitcoin buyers are victims of their own stupidity and greed but in the case of Dash I don't think there's any ongoing victimization.   Initially with the lies and bs, yes, but anyone buying now I'd say has had fair warning.   I don't think Dash is a bad coin by any means.   Its future is uncertain,  but that's true of everything else in crypto up to and including bitcoin itself.

So when you say, "I don't think there is any ongoing victimization. Initially with the lies and bs, yes, but anyone buying now I'd say has had fair warning" you believe that going onto the dash ANN and reading, "fairly and transparently launched" that that person has been fairly warned and is just a victim of their own greed or stupidity?

My point is that it takes time here and other places to learn the truth about dash (if at all, some seem to rationalize it away when finding out), and that blaming the victim for their ignorance is pretty absurd when the lie is being actively perpetrated by the developers and their community (though some in the community are just continuing the lie unwittingly).

Now if apply "Shitcoin buyers are victims of their own stupidity and greed" to "I don't think Dash is a bad coin by any means" it seems a fair assessment if someone has done the necessary due diligence in learning a bit about cryptosystems and concluded that they are all about equal and dash is as technically sound as another--though I would think ignorance (willful or not) would be the culprit of misdiagnosis in this case as much as stupidity or greed.

I can somewhat understand that if we assume the date you registered here is when you got into crypto.

anyone who has been around since the xcoin/drk early days knows better.

I can relate to those who keep bringing up it's history over and over again. They don't want this instamined shitcoin to succeed just so a greedy and lying dev can get rich.


From wikipedia:
Within the first hour of launch, approximately 500,000 coins were mined, followed by another 1,000,000 coins in the next 7 hours and finally another 400,000 in 36 hours. All told 1.9 million coins were mined in 48 hours, or approximately 32% of a current supply (as of October 2015) of approximately 5.9 million,[28][29] generating controversy regarding the initial distribution of coins. According to Duffield, this was the result of an error in the code "which incorrectly converted the difficulty, then tried using a corrupt value to calculate the subsidy, causing the instamine".[30] At the time, Duffield was working a full-time job and coding for Dash on the side, so it's not surprising that there were errors in the initial code.[30] Duffield claims in the official bitcointalk.org thread (mirrored) that "Dash has no premine and was fairly and transparently launched".[31]

This should be warning enough for anyone with half a brain to stay away

Well I will have to admit my own ignorance on a lot of things related to crypto.  But dash isn't a bad coin imo, as I said.  The greed and stupidity I was directing more toward the real shitcoins, i.e. the ones that don't even trade on all the exchanges and sell for single digit satoshis. 

Don't know about the dash ANN thread.  Much of what I learned about it was from related threads. 

Shitcoins that were fraudulently distributed and continue to be fraudulently distributed with a masternode scam that funnels coins to the insiders (who stole the instamine) perpetually while breaking the security of the anonymity are not bad coins by your illogic.

Nothing is bad. Just eat shit (feces) for breakfast please and report back on your health later.

When you don't understand, why can't you just admit to yourself that you don't understand.

Last time I checked, the colors black and white were distinct. Seems you live in a world with one color: grey. Fried eggs are grey, fried feces is grey, etc...

I lost money on darkcoin (DASH). I bought a stack early on before I knew about the instamine. Once I realised the truth I sold for a loss and took the hit. I could have held onto my DASH in the hope of breaking even someday, but I just don't have enough time to follow threads and news for coins I KNOW will fail eventually. My most scarce resource is time! I did the exact same thing with bytecoin (BCN), once I knew it was a scam, I knew it would fail eventually, just not when, so I moved on to spend time resources looking for coins with better chances of mass adoption. I don't regret either decision.

the world may never know lol

to coin a phrase...

Beauty is in the eye of the bagholder.

Sometimes regardless of how many times the same observable evidence is analysed and the same reasonable conclusion is formed by the vast majority some people bagholding enough of x shitcoin will never accept that reasonable conclusion. Which is fine. All of us should be free to invest as we please.

It is when you try to tell persuade others that lack access to the facts that  your bags of dirt are bags of gold or continue to tell lies to stop others finding out the truth or from analysing these observable events for themselves.... that is when you are to be justly labelled untrustworthy.

You can not come up against hard observable evidence armed with excuses and foul language only. It serves no other purpose but to highlight those very things you wish to obscure from view.

Best to just hope people forget or at least forgive more over time.

I did admit my ignorance,  thank you very much.  Now I want to ask an honest question: There was a coin supply reduction,  was there not?  What was the significance of that?  I've read people complaining about that and I'm not sure what the issue is.  And I don't understand a lot of how crypto works (like masternodes).  I have used Dash and that's why I like it. 

A quick and easy illustration ....

This example is not a correct representation of xcoin/dash (this example is actually more fair) but this scenario has similarities that will help you get a general feel of situations in life where you have already been dashed....

Imagine you're at a party with around 99 other people and you're told soon there will be a giant cake. Everyone loves cake and wants a slice. You're told the cake will start to be divided up fairly in 2 hours. When you turn up in 2hours the cake has been hidden but you can hear scoffing sounds from behind the this door. The door is locked. Everyone looks at each other and starts knocking on the door and asking are you eating cake in there? "Yeah yeah" a handful of people say from the other side of the locked door..." don't worry you can have some soon. Sorry we started early and locked the door we'll leave you some we're not eating too much too fast. Plenty left for you guys".

The door eventually opens and the remaining 95 people can see the cake. Sadly a very large amount of the cake has been eaten so obviously the rest will have a far far smaller slice each than they should have done.  That seems pretty unfair does it not??? How did they eat so much cake so quickly. It's like they can eat cake 10x faster than other people.

But wait - - (the reduction part)

The five people in the room say to the other 95 people - - what do you need all that left over cake for?? they take away 75% of the remaining cake and throw it in the garbage.  Then they say... anyone got a problem with that ?(in between mouthfuls of cake they are still consuming from the tiny part of the cake left) are you trying to say you didn't get your fair share of this delicious cake? it's really really tasty here try some. For a while nobody says anything . Then all of a sudden one person says is this a really a slice of cake or a crumb....looks like a crumb to me? then others start to notice they only have crumbs too. This was a huge huge cake enough for us all to have had at least a little slice :(


So here in the above scenario you can see that although they greedy five ate way way way more than their share behind the locked door. It would not have been quite so bad (although very very unfair anyway) if they had allowed the other 95 people to share the reasonable chunk of cake which was left over. They still could have had a mini slice each. However, by taking 75% of that remaining cake away they reduced everyone else to having crumbs only.

Thanks cryptohunter for the considered reply.  I understand your analogy,  but I have to ask--and I'm trying not to come off as completely dense--who are the initial people locked out of the cake room and what was their initial stake in Dash? Are these miners you're talking about?

The other question I have is, does all this matter to people who buy dash now?  The devs can no longer victimize people, am I right?

The miners who were promised a fair share if they came to the party were the ones locked out. (As I said that analogy was not a perfect one for dash. Just to give you some idea)

Their stake was the same as at any party they attend. We are comparing one party with another party only. We must always compare the same thing.
At every party they attended before and after there was no lock door between them and the cake at other parties. Where they were promised a fair share of cake they got a fair(er) share of cake. You can't expect them to say this was a great party compared to the other parties they attended.

I think the masternodes iare yet but another way of getting unfair advantage once you are already ahead.  Either way I would prefer to stay away from that project now. You have probably read all the threads and done your research. So if you like it now then stick with it. Everyone must make their own choices I guess.

Never get attached to any one project. I have found only disappointment lies down that path. Eventually something always happens and you realise you simply became too fixated. I'm not saying dash is the worst. I think probably there are more sneaky tricks happening all the time but you just can't observe it.

Evan is a US/Arizona citizen, and if he is implicated in a state, fincen or SEC investigation, the price will likely suffer, so yes, what was done in the past can effect those investing today. Also, keep in mind the voting mechanism is being advertised as fair, which means because of the unfair distribution from the launch, that this statement probably is as much BS as the "fairly and transparently launched" statement from the dash ANN.

This all but ignores the insecurity of X11 and the less than optimal privacy of darksend, which from a tech perspective, seem  the greater tragedies of false advertising since they are undisputed by most experts, but not grasped by the layman who is more likely to chalk it up to FUD or technical debate than real threats to the coin's survival--but those fallacies will work themselves out eventually whether there's a securities investigation or not. You've been warned, take it for what's it worth--the onus is squarely on you and the research materials are mostly in this thread (though you may have to dig for the technical stuff to get a better grasp on the problems outlined).

The diagram of how Dash works now (and I suggest you click that quote below and read that entire thread over there):

Can anyone prove dark sent has defect? Or can anyone prove dark send is mathematically correct?
I mean, the inventor sneak himself a few million, big deal. Bitcoin inventor also pocket himself a million coins. We can not ask everybody as Saint as satoshi. I am okay with Evan.
The reason dark coin is still around is Dark Sent.

I documented a high school level math lie"error" in InstantX where the masternodes compromise the security. The similar math applies to the anonymity of DarkSend. Also I hear DarkSend requires 10 minutes. Monero's anonymity is instantaneous and no masternodes to spy on you.


I wrote:

This analogy is nonsense. Kind of like the rest of the green-eyed, butthurt whining on here.

I acquired my Dash for peanuts - well after the launch and all its associated problems that you cite and I've been at a gain ever since.


You've documented lots of things around these forums. The reality is, far from being an technical "authority" on cryptos you're a trainspotter with zip experience outside of wallpapering bitcointalk threads with your own recycled quotes day after day.

(And long may it stay that way so we may be spared the daunting prospect of any of your idle ramblings actually turning a reality that wastes people's money as well as forum acreage ;) ).

Dude I've been schooling Gmaxwell (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219023.msg14416418#msg14416418) and for example TierNolan (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1364951.msg14078549#msg14078549) among many others. Get a grip on reality.

Evan replied in my thread and did not refute my assertion of the egregious math error.

Please don't waste my time again. Please. I don't have time to respond to all your slobbering.

I don't think you need my help on that front.

 :D  :D  :D

Still waiting for Tok, Aliex, Evan, or any of the dash community to refute the evidence that X11 and instantx are terrible crypto (even by dash's low standards), but I'm guessing they're theoretically-challenged and need to see the coin break before they realize there's a problem--until then they will try to distract with calls of butthurt jealousy and FUD. There will come a day when the theoretical problems outlined will become real to this cult of instaminers, and on that day, their ANN will ring triumphantly with posts of "I told you so, dumbass." Until then, they can bathe in the glory of their combined ignorance. My guess is there's a lot of pee in the water.

I didn't invest because of its algo. I bought because of its monetary properties and I wasn't aware that I was having to account for your investments as well as my own.

If thats what's most important to you then presumably you're a big enough boy to go and pick something that suits you without my endorsement  ;)

I pick coins that won't break because they picked the right algo and weren't stupid enough to combine 11 of them for 11 times the insecurity.

Also, still waiting for one of the dash community to refute the weaknesses of X11 and instantx--your ideas on money properties hardly qualify as refutation of the bad crypto dash was built on. But I'm sure your house of sand won't blow away before you can cash out, if that's your worry.

You demand quite some attention from a new account.
I doubt that this is your main account. Did you lose it?  ;D
However, oddly enough, you've got your answers.

yep, only one person felt a victom because he wasnt aware of the instamine and sold his Darkcoin afterwards which of course is a bit strange to hear as the instamine
has been discussed endless times in this section alone and also has been read by 13.688 viewers since 29th of march 2014 on Darkcoin / Dash's official site

https://i.imgur.com/6IecQof.jpg
https://dashtalk.org/threads/the-birth-of-darkcoin.162/

and has been discussed in much more details here :

https://dashdot.io/alpha/?page_id=118


A little bit of investigation about a coin's history before investing actually any money into it is really not that much to ask ... is it ?  ???  

I could drag Monero's history into this as well, seeing how many member of them are gathered in this thread to spread fud about either the masternode network, Evan Duffield, Darksend mixing or the Dash community  but whats the point ? Its not like they are hiding their cripple miner software problems from their early days ? or trying to hide that their webwallet has more security holes in it then Swiss cheese or that
they still dont have an offically supported GUI wallet after more two years .... there is a word for this all of course, a simple powerfull word :

Hypocrite

  
  

Qwizzie, you're a fucking moron. The only reason there isn't a GUI is that the developers (unlike the shit developers at dash) want to get the coin right before making it available to a general audience--notice they didn't slam 11 algos together making the coin 11 times insecure or fuck up remedial math with a poorly thought out instantx scheme. As for the crippled miner, that's pretty well documented and hardly on par with dash's launch, but nice use of supposition as FUD.

But again, I ask you, Evan, Tok, Aleix or any of the dashtards to refute the claims that X11 and instantx are extra-shitty designs in a world of shit designs. Marketing (or scrambling to divert attention away from poor design) isn't going to save your coin from the epic fail that is Evan's design choice--but congrats to him for fooling a few speculators with x-names and soda machines in the meantime.

Two. I know it's hard to count, but two ffs.

Now three. But this will be my only post here.

looking for truth: if dash is scam, where are the victims?

I somehow doubt any of these Monero fanatics that replied in this thread are a victim here..... so where are they ?
victims please step forward, i promise no harm will come to you  ::)

^^look up, 3. I know dashtards are mathematically challenged, but come on!

generalizethis
smooth
cryptohunter
TPTB_need_war

that pretty much counts as 4 .. in 2 pages alone. Posting several times. They can also be found in any anti Dash thread...
to be honest i'm still waiting for iCEBREAKER &  Adam White, maybe they got stuck in traffic or something  :-\

From what I see, whatever the evidence is, everybody think "the others" attack and "we" own the truth.
Imho this was just another useless thread and imho the smart ones were the ones that did not reply.

OP forgot to tell about his newbie account, but enforces his conclusions.
I tend not to believe him, however, good luck DASH,  good luck XMR and let the best coin win.

I have herd a lot of things about dash who knows if it's really a scam though it's too soon to tell honestly

Apparently reading isn't your forte either, those who said they lost money on the dashscam are myself, meme magic, and kennyP.

Still waiting on a refutation from anyone on the two design flaws in dash--instantx and X11..... Anyone? I know your dev gave up, but are you all just hoping the poor design decisions are going to magically disappear, like so many coins after an emissions cut?

yeah, you are probly right. it does start to feel like a waste of time (both my own time and this altcoin discussion forum's time).
anyways, i got it out of my system now .. so carry on gentlemen.

Ok. Lets talk "security" and "design flaws" then - but “proper” flaws, not your strawman peashooter type.

As I've outlined several times, there is no greater design flaw known to sane minds than creating a decentralised blockchain, getting rid of counter-parties and then obscuring it. That basically exhibits all the monetary design logic of a chocolate teapot.

In the fiat world, although we consider bank accounts as "money", they actually represent the personal state of credit or debt of a designated individual. We are not trading bearer tokens, we're trading records of personal debt and in that respect they're much like medical records in that they pertain to an individual, hence the need for obfuscation to protect personal privacy.

Unbacked monetary units such as gold nuggets, coins, barrels of oil, or cryptographic tokens on the other hand, are not records of anything objectively.  Obscuring them is therefore meaningless and does nothing for anyone's privacy. What it does do, however, is utterly diminish their monetary value to the point of uselessness.

Which brings me to your other point...


Sorry to inform you that there is no GUI Wallet that a network like Monero can ever have that is remotely secure. Not because it's not theoretically possible, but because everytime anyone fires the send button their funds are disappearing into a black hole that neither man nor beast can shine a torch on. If your lucky and if your beautiful GUI Wallet isn't hacked to smithereens' because you downloaded a dodgy one then one person on the planet might see their balance change. But you've no way of ever verifying that independently, they've no way of knowing it was you that sent it or that the funds came from a legitimate address and neither has the general public who are the people who have to endorse the whole thing with value anyway.

So the next time you bring up “design flaws” and I don’t reply, just think to yourself "empty safe" and you might eventually get the picture of what I see when I look at what you're touting as money  ;)

I kind of chuckle--people go nuts on this forum when folks post more than once in a thread.  Has anyone here been on other forums?  There are some that are completely dominated by only a handful of people sometimes.  Anyway:  I am also very interested in a refutation.  I don't know anything about X11 but I've read about InstantX.  I'd like to see a debate here but I'm too ignorant to participate myself.

DASH scammed the "dashers", Dashcoin "the true dash" community https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1020627.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1020627.0)

by paying the dev to abandon the coin so they can steal dashcoin's name.

dashers are not fond of circle jerking in forums, but here's 211 victims

(from c-cex voting page)
https://i.imgur.com/gFA9kOa.jpg

Dashcoin is still alive and trading at polo  :D

https://poloniex.com/exchange#xmr_dsh (https://poloniex.com/exchange#xmr_dsh)

Xcoin/Darkcoin/DASH proponets got cocky and underestimated what a decentralized and more anonymous (than DASH) crypto currency can do  :P

Tok, just because you don't understand that Monero's coinbase is as verifiable as Bitcoin's doesn't mean the rest of us are that ignorant, but nice try to refute a valid criticism by attacking something uninvolved. I suggest you try again and try harder.

Still waiting. Isn't there one person in all of dash who can refute the claim that x11 and instantx are major design flaws. The longer it goes on the more likely it becomes its own topic. So maybe next time you can try someone who understands cryptosystems better, or at least understands them.

Anyone who responds to questions or challenges about coin A with comments about coin B is a scammer, because this is an illogical argument that is being used to mislead observers and therefore fraudulently pump coin A and suck in gullible investor money to continue to prop up the scheme. This applies whatever coins A and B happen to be.

The only exception to this might be if coin B is Bitcoin and the question concerns general blockchain concepts since Bitcoin is the most well-known and understood example.

Replace "questions" with "questions or asserted facts" and "coin B" with "reputation of the person asking the questions or asserting facts" as another case of this.

Diversionary obfuscation instead of debating the facts.

Does this apply only from this point onwards or also retroactively?

BREAKING NEWS:

Failing to do basic due diligence before investing and being a shitty fucktard of a trader now turns the asset you invested in automatically into a scam!
Everybody who bought Apple-shares in 2000 and sold in 2001 was personally scammed by Steve Jobs!

It doesn't matter how retarded and butthurt this whiny bullshit sounds like, we just had to make up "scam" "victims" for Dash because we pathetically failed to come up with any!!

Fact check:

Every Moronero troll + sockpuppet failed to deliver a single Dash "scam" victim so far.

In other news:
Dash still strong hovering at 7 dollars and Monero can't do shit about it
Edit: 7.20 and rising!

lol i started this thread with semi-serious intentions but what i get is:

- a team of trolls from an adversary (?) coin leaking each others ass
- links for research like the one quoted above where content seems written by some psycho, with assertions that not even my cat would consider valid, if this is your financial know-how i guess you should consider changing field.
- opinion = scam, research = scam, SCAM EVERYTHING SCAM SCAM SCAM

this is pure trash

oh, and btw, victims found: 0

Ohh look when ever I see people bashing another coin in this forum it is the same group called Monero developers and their sockpoppets.

TBTP_need_war still waiting for your awesome coin buddy lol, are you still thinking about what to name it still? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219023.0 it's taking too long years already !

I see you writing lines after lines, I mean copying lines after lines about how bad other coins are yet you say that you would work for them for the right amount of money. You also did this for Monero and asked them for 80k USD did they pay you to troll now as well?

Ohh I get it I get it you got their disease which is whining here since all they did after their suppose to be developers copied Bytecoin is just crying here about how bad is coin so and so. And when you ask them what is next for Monero they will tell you our hard working developers are working on a silly GUI wallet.... I really hope it finishes today before tomorrow so people can finally realize they are just full of hot air; because it seems like they are just milking their ways from these Monerodice profits which the owner of that gambling site is non other than the main developer of Monero FluffyPony and he's buddy Othe taking the highest win jackpot 21800 Monero which he btw another MONERO DEVELOPER!

While we have another developer like Smooth who didn't contribute to shit really moving on to another coin called AEON as if Monero is done already with development which in fact another shit coin yet pumped hard by their sockpuppets here.

Too many bagholders in Monero just looking at Monerodice you will find Ariel losing 11000 Monero's just like that no wonder he/she is hating here, instead he/she should be angry at the incompetent Monero developers.   

Yeah, all they see is scam everywhere. Do you know why? Here is the answer from one of the prominent timewasters here who accuse every other coin as being a scam.


So prominent moonero supperters, smooth, TPTB, iCEBREAKER are sc...oh shit, what now? Can call them scammers?

Days let's posit that your point about slow development of Monero (https://moneroeconomy.com/faq-page#t9n41) had some validity (really I don't dig into Monero source code so I don't know), I have some reactions:

1. Could you please go post that in a thread about Monero, not in the Dash thread. Motivation/motive of Monero supporters (and myself who does not own a Moneroj) is not a factual answer to concerns about Dash.

2. The concern we've expressed about the Dash distribution is that it unfairly skews the control over the float and the profit from the coin to a smaller group. If you are implying this corrupt financial structure enables Dash to have more funds to develop their coin faster, my reaction is the technology of Dash isn't even at the level of a high school junior programmer. Don't forget I found a high school level probability math error in the InstantX white paper a year after it was released. Who the hell is doing your peer review? The anonymity is not end-to-end principled (a foundational principle of correct network protocol design), is horrendously slow, is not autonomous, and the masternodes could violate anonymity of users.

Not sure if 263288 lines of new code added in 2015 alone defines slow development. See:

https://getmonero.org/2016/02/10/monero-missive-2015-year-in-review.html

But like you said, this is offtopic and shouldn't be discussed here.

Both you and your cat sound dubious then.

Nobody could read those threads and come out with any other verdict than xcoin/dark/dash was a premeditated coin grab.

What is this stupid question where are the scammed? where are the victims?

Everyone who was told it was a fair release with no premine who were then subsequently withheld from mining whilst the dev mined up at 500 coins a block at a different time to what he said he would release were scammed. When on every other coin release which claimed the same actually gave them a fair chance to mine. The devs there did not employ the scam tactics that the xcoin/darkcoin dev did.

The same people in this thread trying to protect this scam are the same ones that were complaining it was indeed a scam when it was unfolding in front of their eyes. The fact they managed to grab some coins in the end seems to have changed their mind.

The fact they rigged the launch to grab hugely disproportionate amount of coins compared to what they would have if it was launched fairly like other coins was not enough. They then wanted to rig it again so their share was an even greater % of the final minting.



You have not read these threads have you

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995710.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559028.0


i think you were reading some other threads and not these ones

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995710.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559028.0


Any miner that was at the launch being told there was a fair release coming with distribution like all other POW coins released at the time were scammed. Scammed again when the minting was slashed.

Anyone buying this dirt now are getting scammed. If you are buying coins from scammers you are being scammed because if you knew the underhanded dishonest ways these people accumulated their coins you would not buy from them. Not all holding dash are scammers but some obviously are.



Now they are coming up with more nonsense and excuses like this.

1. you are just jealous - butthurt - green eyed ( if you see these words on any thread you are probably dealing with scammers)
2. you invested in another coins which we say is a scam so our coin can't be a scam? you want to call another coin a scam does not change the fact your coin is a scam and you protecting it whilst knowing the fact it is a scam makes you a scammer.

3. it was good that we scammed you the dev took most of the coins because he now works harder and has more incentive.
4. it was good that we scammed you so we can control the supply and keep the price high
5. we will say you had no net loss  you have no dash scam coins and therefore were not scammed. you had no dash before the launch you have no dash now. simple you are not scammed.


So first they tell you  you're butthurt for complaining. Then they try to divert talking about other scams. Then they say it was good to take all the coins. Then they say you had no coins before and you have none now how is it your are scammed when nothing changed for you?

The fact Evans offered the airdrop is confirmation he knows that he did wrong. He is not as dumb as the rest of the greedy whales that their noses in the trough with him. He knows Dash will forever be held back by the terrible start and slashing of the minting. Whatever anyone says I think the whales stopped him by crashing the market. Did you see the Darkcoin trading charts when he announced it that day? The price fell off a cliff.
Later dark hogs went mad and he had to reverse it. People say he never intended on going through with it. I disagree. He wanted to do it. Why announce it and basically admit he knows the captive instamine was an issue. Of course the air drop would not have really worked as it should but it would have been some attempt and fixing the issue.


The two biggest dash protectors/enablers have gone silent and I can't actually believe it but one has swapped to the other side if I hear correctly and now is saying it was a scam after all. That's what I hear anyway. The other has gone quiet since he can't say much without looking completely hypocritical since he is there on the xcoin thread essentially accusing evans of a captive instamine in real time as it unfolded.

These new "fake accounts" that just pop up asking questions and pretending to defend xcoins/darkcoins past are not even pro dark coin it is obvious to me that they are trying to discredit dash/dark coin further and are infact anti-dash. There is no way these people would invest in dash coin then deliberately come to the main board and try to rake up all of these old threads that prove dashcoin is one of the least fair coins ever released on this board.

Get out of dash - swap to a dash clone if you are in love with the masternodes and other features i has. You may own 0.01% of dash and want to protect your investment but you can own 0.1 or even 1% of a dash clone which will not have to face scam accusations for eternity. Help build a community where all your hard work will forever not be for nothing as the project is confirmed as a scam and accepted as such by most of the board.

I mean just google darkcoin - lol I mean if i was an prospective investor and thought I may google darkcoin or dash - well I would not be investing.

Get out whilst you can still exit. Go find a darkcoin clone with which is not a scam.

Thanks but no thanks  ;)

seriously? if you guys are screaming everyday SCAM! i want to start hearing the "victims" for a proper personal research and until now no one messaged me because i can assume there is no scheme, this according to my readings, asking smart people, having a look to community and related projects etc

honestly i was here for finance and crypto interest but this forum is a fucking kindergarten  ;D

For me for a long time the Dash vs Monero subject had just been something that provided a context in which to troll back the trolls and annoying butthurt idiots but then I realized I don't wanna end up like Icebreaker, Adam White, Dnaleor et al.(*) spending all their energy on pointless back and forth with strawmen and logical fallacies on an internet forum imagining whatever agenda they're driving has any influence on anything at all. Waste of time.

(*) If anyone reading this post is butthurt they didn't get a mention, then don't worry, you're still included in the "et al".

Some data on altcoins (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1426481.msg14436101#msg14436101) seems to support that conclusion.

This is pretty funny. It is okay people are enthusiastic about a topic.