looking for truth: if dash is scam, where are the victims?

[qwizzie]

... seeing how many member of them...

Two. I know it's hard to count, but two ffs.

Now three. But this will be my only post here.

generalizethis
smooth
cryptohunter
TPTB_need_war

that pretty much counts as 4 .. in 2 pages alone. Posting several times. They can also be found in any anti Dash thread...
to be honest i'm still waiting for iCEBREAKER &  Adam White, maybe they got stuck in traffic or something 

[NeuroticFish]

looking for truth: if dash is scam, where are the victims?

I somehow doubt any of these Monero fanatics that replied in this thread are a victim here..... so where are they ?
victims please step forward, i promise no harm will come to you 

From what I see, whatever the evidence is, everybody think "the others" attack and "we" own the truth.
Imho this was just another useless thread and imho the smart ones were the ones that did not reply.

OP forgot to tell about his newbie account, but enforces his conclusions.
I tend not to believe him, however, good luck DASH,  good luck XMR and let the best coin win.

[CAMOPEJB]

I have herd a lot of things about dash who knows if it's really a scam though it's too soon to tell honestly

[generalizethis]

... seeing how many member of them...

Two. I know it's hard to count, but two ffs.

Now three. But this will be my only post here.

generalizethis
smooth
cryptohunter
TPTB_need_war

that pretty much counts as 4 .. in 2 pages alone. Posting several times. They can also be found in any anti Dash thread...

Apparently reading isn't your forte either, those who said they lost money on the dashscam are myself, meme magic, and kennyP.

Still waiting on a refutation from anyone on the two design flaws in dash--instantx and X11..... Anyone? I know your dev gave up, but are you all just hoping the poor design decisions are going to magically disappear, like so many coins after an emissions cut?

[qwizzie]

looking for truth: if dash is scam, where are the victims?

I somehow doubt any of these Monero fanatics that replied in this thread are a victim here..... so where are they ?
victims please step forward, i promise no harm will come to you 

From what I see, whatever the evidence is, everybody think "the others" attack and "we" own the truth.
Imho this was just another useless thread and imho the smart ones were the ones that did not reply.

OP forgot to tell about his newbie account, but enforces his conclusions.
I tend not to believe him, however, good luck DASH,  good luck XMR and let the best coin win.

yeah, you are probly right. it does start to feel like a waste of time (both my own time and this altcoin discussion forum's time).
anyways, i got it out of my system now .. so carry on gentlemen.

[toknormal]

Still waiting on a refutation from anyone on the two design flaws in dash

Ok. Lets talk "security" and "design flaws" then - but “proper” flaws, not your strawman peashooter type.

As I've outlined several times, there is no greater design flaw known to sane minds than creating a decentralised blockchain, getting rid of counter-parties and then obscuring it. That basically exhibits all the monetary design logic of a chocolate teapot.

In the fiat world, although we consider bank accounts as "money", they actually represent the personal state of credit or debt of a designated individual. We are not trading bearer tokens, we're trading records of personal debt and in that respect they're much like medical records in that they pertain to an individual, hence the need for obfuscation to protect personal privacy.

Unbacked monetary units such as gold nuggets, coins, barrels of oil, or cryptographic tokens on the other hand, are not records of anything objectively.  Obscuring them is therefore meaningless and does nothing for anyone's privacy. What it does do, however, is utterly diminish their monetary value to the point of uselessness.

Which brings me to your other point...

Qwizzie, you're a fucking moron. The only reason there isn't a GUI is that the developers...want to get the coin right before making it available to a general audience

Sorry to inform you that there is no GUI Wallet that a network like Monero can ever have that is remotely secure. Not because it's not theoretically possible, but because everytime anyone fires the send button their funds are disappearing into a black hole that neither man nor beast can shine a torch on. If your lucky and if your beautiful GUI Wallet isn't hacked to smithereens' because you downloaded a dodgy one then one person on the planet might see their balance change. But you've no way of ever verifying that independently, they've no way of knowing it was you that sent it or that the funds came from a legitimate address and neither has the general public who are the people who have to endorse the whole thing with value anyway.

So the next time you bring up “design flaws” and I don’t reply, just think to yourself "empty safe" and you might eventually get the picture of what I see when I look at what you're touting as money  

[The Sceptical Chymist]

... seeing how many member of them...

Two. I know it's hard to count, but two ffs.

Now three. But this will be my only post here.

generalizethis
smooth
cryptohunter
TPTB_need_war

that pretty much counts as 4 .. in 2 pages alone. Posting several times. They can also be found in any anti Dash thread...

Apparently reading isn't your forte either, those who said they lost money on the dashscam are myself, meme magic, and kennyP.

Still waiting on a refutation from anyone on the two design flaws in dash--instantx and X11..... Anyone? I know your dev gave up, but are you all just hoping the poor design decisions are going to magically disappear, like so many coins after an emissions cut?

I kind of chuckle--people go nuts on this forum when folks post more than once in a thread.  Has anyone here been on other forums?  There are some that are completely dominated by only a handful of people sometimes.  Anyway:  I am also very interested in a refutation.  I don't know anything about X11 but I've read about InstantX.  I'd like to see a debate here but I'm too ignorant to participate myself.

[arielbit]

DASH scammed the "dashers", Dashcoin "the true dash" community https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1020627.0

by paying the dev to abandon the coin so they can steal dashcoin's name.

dashers are not fond of circle jerking in forums, but here's 211 victims

(from c-cex voting page)


Dashcoin is still alive and trading at polo  

https://poloniex.com/exchange#xmr_dsh

Xcoin/Darkcoin/DASH proponets got cocky and underestimated what a decentralized and more anonymous (than DASH) crypto currency can do  

[generalizethis]

Still waiting on a refutation from anyone on the two design flaws in dash

Ok. Lets talk "security" and "design flaws" then - but “proper” flaws, not your strawman peashooter type.

As I've outlined several times, there is no greater design flaw known to sane minds than creating a decentralised blockchain, getting rid of counter-parties and then obscuring it. That basically exhibits all the monetary design logic of a chocolate teapot.

In the fiat world, although we consider bank accounts as "money", they actually represent the personal state of credit or debt of a designated individual. We are not trading bearer tokens, we're trading records of personal debt and in that respect they're much like medical records in that they pertain to an individual, hence the need for obfuscation to protect personal privacy.

Unbacked monetary units such as gold nuggets, coins, barrels of oil, or cryptographic tokens on the other hand, are not records of anything objectively.  Obscuring them is therefore meaningless and does nothing for anyone's privacy. What it does do, however, is utterly diminish their monetary value to the point of uselessness.

Which brings me to your other point...

Qwizzie, you're a fucking moron. The only reason there isn't a GUI is that the developers...want to get the coin right before making it available to a general audience

Sorry to inform you that there is no GUI Wallet that a network like Monero can ever have that is remotely secure. Not because it's not theoretically possible, but because everytime anyone fires the send button their funds are disappearing into a black hole that neither man nor beast can shine a torch on. If your lucky and if your beautiful GUI Wallet isn't hacked to smithereens' because you downloaded a dodgy one then one person on the planet might see their balance change. But you've no way of ever verifying that independently, they've no way of knowing it was you that sent it or that the funds came from a legitimate address and neither has the general public who are the people who have to endorse the whole thing with value anyway.

So the next time you bring up “design flaws” and I don’t reply, just think to yourself "empty safe" and you might eventually get the picture of what I see when I look at what you're touting as money  

Tok, just because you don't understand that Monero's coinbase is as verifiable as Bitcoin's doesn't mean the rest of us are that ignorant, but nice try to refute a valid criticism by attacking something uninvolved. I suggest you try again and try harder.

Still waiting. Isn't there one person in all of dash who can refute the claim that x11 and instantx are major design flaws. The longer it goes on the more likely it becomes its own topic. So maybe next time you can try someone who understands cryptosystems better, or at least understands them.

[smooth]

Anyone who responds to questions or challenges about coin A with comments about coin B is a scammer, because this is an illogical argument that is being used to mislead observers and therefore fraudulently pump coin A and suck in gullible investor money to continue to prop up the scheme. This applies whatever coins A and B happen to be.

The only exception to this might be if coin B is Bitcoin and the question concerns general blockchain concepts since Bitcoin is the most well-known and understood example.

[TPTB_need_war]

Anyone who responds to questions or challenges about coin A with comments about coin B is a scammer, because this is an illogical argument that is being used to mislead observers and therefore fraudulently pump coin A and suck in gullible investor money to continue to prop up the scheme. This applies whatever coins A and B happen to be.

The only exception to this might be if coin B is Bitcoin and the question concerns general blockchain concepts since Bitcoin is the most well-known and understood example.

Replace "questions" with "questions or asserted facts" and "coin B" with "reputation of the person asking the questions or asserting facts" as another case of this.

Diversionary obfuscation instead of debating the facts.

[illodin]

Anyone who responds to questions or challenges about coin A with comments about coin B is a scammer

Does this apply only from this point onwards or also retroactively?

[Macrochip]

BREAKING NEWS:

Failing to do basic due diligence before investing and being a shitty fucktard of a trader now turns the asset you invested in automatically into a scam!
Everybody who bought Apple-shares in 2000 and sold in 2001 was personally scammed by Steve Jobs!

It doesn't matter how retarded and butthurt this whiny bullshit sounds like, we just had to make up "scam" "victims" for Dash because we pathetically failed to come up with any!!

Fact check:

Every Moronero troll + sockpuppet failed to deliver a single Dash "scam" victim so far.

In other news:
Dash still strong hovering at 7 dollars and Monero can't do shit about it
Edit: 7.20 and rising!

[btc_zero_sum]

...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995710.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559028.0

...

Anyone who responds to questions or challenges about coin A with comments about coin B is a scammer, because this is an illogical argument that is being used to mislead observers and therefore fraudulently pump coin A and suck in gullible investor money to continue to prop up the scheme. This applies whatever coins A and B happen to be.

lol i started this thread with semi-serious intentions but what i get is:

- a team of trolls from an adversary (?) coin leaking each others ass
- links for research like the one quoted above where content seems written by some psycho, with assertions that not even my cat would consider valid, if this is your financial know-how i guess you should consider changing field.
- opinion = scam, research = scam, SCAM EVERYTHING SCAM SCAM SCAM

this is pure trash

oh, and btw, victims found: 0

[Days]

Ohh look when ever I see people bashing another coin in this forum it is the same group called Monero developers and their sockpoppets.

TBTP_need_war still waiting for your awesome coin buddy lol, are you still thinking about what to name it still? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219023.0 it's taking too long years already !

I see you writing lines after lines, I mean copying lines after lines about how bad other coins are yet you say that you would work for them for the right amount of money. You also did this for Monero and asked them for 80k USD did they pay you to troll now as well?

Ohh I get it I get it you got their disease which is whining here since all they did after their suppose to be developers copied Bytecoin is just crying here about how bad is coin so and so. And when you ask them what is next for Monero they will tell you our hard working developers are working on a silly GUI wallet.... I really hope it finishes today before tomorrow so people can finally realize they are just full of hot air; because it seems like they are just milking their ways from these Monerodice profits which the owner of that gambling site is non other than the main developer of Monero FluffyPony and he's buddy Othe taking the highest win jackpot 21800 Monero which he btw another MONERO DEVELOPER!

While we have another developer like Smooth who didn't contribute to shit really moving on to another coin called AEON as if Monero is done already with development which in fact another shit coin yet pumped hard by their sockpuppets here.

Too many bagholders in Monero just looking at Monerodice you will find Ariel losing 11000 Monero's just like that no wonder he/she is hating here, instead he/she should be angry at the incompetent Monero developers.   

[Lukas_Jackson]

...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995710.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559028.0

...

Anyone who responds to questions or challenges about coin A with comments about coin B is a scammer, because this is an illogical argument that is being used to mislead observers and therefore fraudulently pump coin A and suck in gullible investor money to continue to prop up the scheme. This applies whatever coins A and B happen to be.

lol i started this thread with semi-serious intentions but what i get is:

- a team of trolls from an adversary (?) coin leaking each others ass
- links for research like the one quoted above where content seems written by some psycho, with assertions that not even my cat would consider valid, if this is your financial know-how i guess you should consider changing field.
- opinion = scam, research = scam, SCAM EVERYTHING SCAM SCAM SCAM

this is pure trash

oh, and btw, victims found: 0

Yeah, all they see is scam everywhere. Do you know why? Here is the answer from one of the prominent timewasters here who accuse every other coin as being a scam.

The "logic" (rationalization) of criminal is that everyone is a criminal so his actions are no worse than anyone else's. It is this warped mindset that is apparently held by 2.5% of the population.

So prominent moonero supperters, smooth, TPTB, iCEBREAKER are sc...oh shit, what now? Can call them scammers?

[TPTB_need_war]

Days let's posit that your point about slow development of Monero had some validity (really I don't dig into Monero source code so I don't know), I have some reactions:

1. Could you please go post that in a thread about Monero, not in the Dash thread. Motivation/motive of Monero supporters (and myself who does not own a Moneroj) is not a factual answer to concerns about Dash.

2. The concern we've expressed about the Dash distribution is that it unfairly skews the control over the float and the profit from the coin to a smaller group. If you are implying this corrupt financial structure enables Dash to have more funds to develop their coin faster, my reaction is the technology of Dash isn't even at the level of a high school junior programmer. Don't forget I found a high school level probability math error in the InstantX white paper a year after it was released. Who the hell is doing your peer review? The anonymity is not end-to-end principled (a foundational principle of correct network protocol design), is horrendously slow, is not autonomous, and the masternodes could violate anonymity of users.

[dEBRUYNE]

Days let's posit that your point about slow development of Monero had some validity (really I don't dig into Monero source code so I don't know), I have some reactions:

1. Could you please go post that in a thread about Monero, not in the Dash thread. Motivation/motive of Monero supporters (and myself who does not own a Moneroj) is not a factual answer to concerns about Dash.

2. The concern we've expressed about the Dash distribution is that it unfairly skews the control over the float and the profit from the coin to a smaller group. If you are implying this corrupt financial structure enables Dash to have more funds to develop their coin faster, my reaction is the technology of Dash isn't even at the level of a high school junior programmer. Don't forget I found a high school level probability math error in the InstantX white paper a year after it was released. Who the hell is doing your peer review? The anonymity is not end-to-end principled (a foundational principle of correct network protocol design), is horrendously slow, is not autonomous, and the masternodes could violate anonymity of users.

Not sure if 263288 lines of new code added in 2015 alone defines slow development. See:

https://getmonero.org/2016/02/10/monero-missive-2015-year-in-review.html

But like you said, this is offtopic and shouldn't be discussed here.

[cryptohunter]

...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995710.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559028.0

...

Anyone who responds to questions or challenges about coin A with comments about coin B is a scammer, because this is an illogical argument that is being used to mislead observers and therefore fraudulently pump coin A and suck in gullible investor money to continue to prop up the scheme. This applies whatever coins A and B happen to be.

lol i started this thread with semi-serious intentions but what i get is:

- a team of trolls from an adversary (?) coin leaking each others ass
- links for research like the one quoted above where content seems written by some psycho, with assertions that not even my cat would consider valid, if this is your financial know-how i guess you should consider changing field.
- opinion = scam, research = scam, SCAM EVERYTHING SCAM SCAM SCAM

this is pure trash

oh, and btw, victims found: 0

Both you and your cat sound dubious then.

Nobody could read those threads and come out with any other verdict than xcoin/dark/dash was a premeditated coin grab.

What is this stupid question where are the scammed? where are the victims?

Everyone who was told it was a fair release with no premine who were then subsequently withheld from mining whilst the dev mined up at 500 coins a block at a different time to what he said he would release were scammed. When on every other coin release which claimed the same actually gave them a fair chance to mine. The devs there did not employ the scam tactics that the xcoin/darkcoin dev did.

The same people in this thread trying to protect this scam are the same ones that were complaining it was indeed a scam when it was unfolding in front of their eyes. The fact they managed to grab some coins in the end seems to have changed their mind.

The fact they rigged the launch to grab hugely disproportionate amount of coins compared to what they would have if it was launched fairly like other coins was not enough. They then wanted to rig it again so their share was an even greater % of the final minting.



You have not read these threads have you

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995710.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559028.0


i think you were reading some other threads and not these ones

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995710.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559028.0


Any miner that was at the launch being told there was a fair release coming with distribution like all other POW coins released at the time were scammed. Scammed again when the minting was slashed.

Anyone buying this dirt now are getting scammed. If you are buying coins from scammers you are being scammed because if you knew the underhanded dishonest ways these people accumulated their coins you would not buy from them. Not all holding dash are scammers but some obviously are.



Now they are coming up with more nonsense and excuses like this.

1. you are just jealous - butthurt - green eyed ( if you see these words on any thread you are probably dealing with scammers)
2. you invested in another coins which we say is a scam so our coin can't be a scam? you want to call another coin a scam does not change the fact your coin is a scam and you protecting it whilst knowing the fact it is a scam makes you a scammer.

3. it was good that we scammed you the dev took most of the coins because he now works harder and has more incentive.
4. it was good that we scammed you so we can control the supply and keep the price high
5. we will say you had no net loss  you have no dash scam coins and therefore were not scammed. you had no dash before the launch you have no dash now. simple you are not scammed.


So first they tell you  you're butthurt for complaining. Then they try to divert talking about other scams. Then they say it was good to take all the coins. Then they say you had no coins before and you have none now how is it your are scammed when nothing changed for you?

The fact Evans offered the airdrop is confirmation he knows that he did wrong. He is not as dumb as the rest of the greedy whales that their noses in the trough with him. He knows Dash will forever be held back by the terrible start and slashing of the minting. Whatever anyone says I think the whales stopped him by crashing the market. Did you see the Darkcoin trading charts when he announced it that day? The price fell off a cliff.
Later dark hogs went mad and he had to reverse it. People say he never intended on going through with it. I disagree. He wanted to do it. Why announce it and basically admit he knows the captive instamine was an issue. Of course the air drop would not have really worked as it should but it would have been some attempt and fixing the issue.


The two biggest dash protectors/enablers have gone silent and I can't actually believe it but one has swapped to the other side if I hear correctly and now is saying it was a scam after all. That's what I hear anyway. The other has gone quiet since he can't say much without looking completely hypocritical since he is there on the xcoin thread essentially accusing evans of a captive instamine in real time as it unfolded.

These new "fake accounts" that just pop up asking questions and pretending to defend xcoins/darkcoins past are not even pro dark coin it is obvious to me that they are trying to discredit dash/dark coin further and are infact anti-dash. There is no way these people would invest in dash coin then deliberately come to the main board and try to rake up all of these old threads that prove dashcoin is one of the least fair coins ever released on this board.

Get out of dash - swap to a dash clone if you are in love with the masternodes and other features i has. You may own 0.01% of dash and want to protect your investment but you can own 0.1 or even 1% of a dash clone which will not have to face scam accusations for eternity. Help build a community where all your hard work will forever not be for nothing as the project is confirmed as a scam and accepted as such by most of the board.

I mean just google darkcoin - lol I mean if i was an prospective investor and thought I may google darkcoin or dash - well I would not be investing.

Get out whilst you can still exit. Go find a darkcoin clone with which is not a scam.

[toknormal]

swap to a dash clone if you are in love with the masternodes and other features i has. You may own 0.01% of dash and want to protect your investment but you can own 0.1 or even 1% of a dash clone which will not have to face scam accusations for eternity

Thanks but no thanks