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Assalamualaikum everyone..
I am Muslim and i have been using bitcoin for several months. I just learn bitcoin and i saw many a lot of devious scheme to earn bitcoin. Just like HYIP, PONZI, Gambling, Bet etc.I am very afraid of RIBA. therefore, for guidance and assistance will be appretiated

Thanks ;D ;D ;D

hello brother...
where are you from ?

i am Indonesian  buddy  :D

nice country :)
i m Muslim and i work in the field of mining almost four years  .
i think it is not riba ..and God knows

which field of mining??

I thought maybe there was a muslim section on the forum board.
I guess not.
Because if you must discuss this on as an open bitcoin discussion topic then I think you deserve to have one on the local boards.

What is RIBA?

Muslim bitcoiners are great when you guys get involved in the lending business, interest free loans!   :)

yes

where i can find it here? Im not find it already

Wallaikumsalam
Hi amarjoss im from indonesia too , you can ask something on indonesian local board.
If you get bitcoin from halal step like doing faucet , mining, sig camp . God will know.

"Riba is a concept in Islamic banking that refers to charged interest. It is forbidden under Sharia, Islamic religious law, because it is thought to be exploitive. Depending on the interpretation, riba may only refer to excessive interest; however to others, the whole concept of interest is riba, and thus is unlawful." -Wikipedia.

The point is, riba is if you gain wealth from unjustified religion rules.

Thanks for welcoming us! ;D

Waalaikumsalam,,,
From my view bitcoin is not usury, because the principle bitcoin is such as currency. And bitcoin trading was not illegitimate I think because it is the principle of buying and selling and Islam allow the buying and selling. But of course if you use bitcoin for gambling is strictly prohibited by Islam. thank you

unfortunately majority bitcoin users has use their bitcoin for HYIP, PONZI and gambling as you could see that in gambling board plenty casinos has announced almost on everyday also currently some people has considers that bitcoin trading is not halal

Yeah you right some people use bitcoin for HARAM things. But, in my opinion trading is halal, why halal? Because there is "IJAB" and "QOBUL".
IJAB from seller and QOBUL from buyer. Thank you, correct me if i wrong.

alhamdulillah, anta muslim aydhoon  ;D

Yes, in the islamic article said that tradig its fine. By the way,  in addition to trading, do you use bitcoin for anything else?

Not some of them brother, but majority of them. Moreover, many muslim do that without guilt. :-[

bitcoin is money
these ways you mentioned here are just some not so famous ways of earning bitcoin and AFAIK none of them are RIBA although things like gambling are prohibited by the religious rules

p.s. you shouldn't ask these things here, if you are a real Muslim you should ask you r Marja!!

Oh please don't get religion involved in Bitcoin. Can the mods please remove this discussion?

I always get nervous trading with names like Muhammad for fear of it being terrorist shit... not to be racist or anything.

Is interest against Muslim rule?
Will you make interest free loan?

Walekum Salam and Welcome to the bitcointalk forum. I saw there are lots of muslims using bitcoin and adopting bitcoin which is very good to be true. Muslims are now getting interest in every field.. nice to see these activity of muslims.

I am using this forum and bitcoin since last 2 years.

Good luck

I do not know, if this site is Halal, but they trying to warn people about Ponzi's / HYIP / Scams etc. Give it a try to avoid most of the stuff going on in this sphere. http://www.badbitcoin.org/ Bitcoin is just a form of money, so you have to see it that way. You guys should create a Halal site to assist the people in your religion, if you feel strongly about this. We will use the rest, regardless. ^smile^

Your religion has nothing to do with bitcoin ecosystem in my opinion. (Better you can edit your title, just a suggestion). You can be always being conscious about following your religion principles like what you're doing with fiats. Bitcoin is virtually nothing different from fiats.

Bitcoin might used for such devious purposes online but the same thing goes also for your usual fiat currency. Bitcoin is just another type of currency, it can either be used for good or bad like any other thing in this world but there has to be emphasis put that it is not exclusive for just doing bad.

I worked for a wealth management company, and we had Muslim clients.
They don't want to own tobacco, alcohol company, so we will create a special SP 500 companies index, but remove such companies from the index.
Interesting experience.

Im so sorry, but my life based on the teachings of my religion. including this case  ;D

If you dont like this, dont enter or even comment it brother. simple as that. ;)

Yep, it prohibited.
Of course, BIG NO  ;D

How about signature campaign ? Is this include RIBA or not ? Because we promote their websites, about gambling websites or other else. anyone can explain ?

I believe Moslems will say it as RIBA as well, especailly promoting something that is illegal like gambling site is called by "HARAM" iirc. I'm not a moslem but I appreciate their rules.

@OP : if you think that something is prohibited by your religion, so better to avoid it.

Question for OP as a moslem : how about abusing a faucet site? Is it a "Haram"? I see many people abusing freebitcoin faucet by having so many accounts.

If signature campaign we do is gambling site, of course its haram (for muslim). Because we directing people to the wrong way. CMIIW

please don't spread false information.

interest is not against any rules in Islam. the prohibition is about Riba or in other words Usury (which is a particular type of interest) and it is not restricted to only Islam there is same rules in other religions too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riba
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury

Its exactly prohibited in our religion. We have rules that forbid us to do trickery.

I think actually most people realize that abusing faucet site is wrong if they still use their heath  :-\

That won't happen with everyone. Some exceptions might be there because I have seen few Islamic banks in UAE, which won't pay interest for our saving but provides loan and cards with the interest.

many and  so many I think. there are a lot of muslims who are ingage in bitcoin. i think there is no restriction on bitcoin in islam. i personally know so many muslims who are involve in bitcoin.

Talk about business. Isn't that playing the rules for their benefit?


Seems to me you've been heavily influenced by media.

Is there a fatwa (religious ruling) that gives guidance on the use of Bitcoins?

Don't be fooled by their 'no interest' policy is not ideal and there are actually ways to go around it. Banking in Muslim countries might be different from western approach, but believe me, they will make you pay.

So they are started to do it more bluntly and openly? They are not covering 'no interest loans' with additional - 'operational fees' instead anymore? Interesting.

i think when you are speculating with altcoins (eg at exhange servers), its the same like gambling. so in mine opinon is it HARAM. mining is working so not HARAM
using bitcoin like money, to pay and sell stuff is not HARAM.

THIS IS MY OPINION....

for the rest ALLAH knows better

you forgetting one thing, a bank or lender has to calculate some profit , to existing so they calculating some profit, but this much less then a interest. the calculating amount is known, but an interest can increase alot

you are going to hell for sure, stay away from btc

everybody is going to hell :)

This is what I was getting at in my response to this topic.
Now they are using /speaking another language which is now not appropriate on this topic (bitcoin discussion was in english last time i checked).

No shit!  I sure don't want a fucking bomb sent to my computer with some bitcoin!  Fuck that. 

Waalaikumsalam
I was a Muslim and I was bitcoiners, I am currently trying to collect a lot of bitcoin in preparation for Ramadan, this makes me very excited  ;D

It's all good in Islam, IMO. I don't think it's Haram, as it's a currency. But make sure that you don't gamble or earn interest through different HYIP's/Ponzis, and God knows much better.

Now, you should CLOSE this thread. It can get much worse and off-topic.

Well hello!!! :)

was ??? not anymore????

what i sayed before, if you going to speculate , buying low and selling high , it is gambling en you know how Islam thinks about gambling.
only mining not Haram cause it is work

He has been reborn in the light of one true god. As have we all, as would any man seen things we've seen. Valar morghulis and happy ramadan.

btw there is no such thing as god.

just letting you know. :)

Of course, that's totally sort of forex trading, and it's not allowed in Islam. Forgot to add that, pretty bad of me.

Warning again, this thread could get much worse if not closed.

good subject bro :D

so many muslims i personally know who are envolved with bitcoin. i am also a muslim. i have so many friends who have invested money here in bicoin. i investigage about bitcoin from molvies. acording to them bitcoin is halal

@OP : Why gel technology and religion together ? They are two separate things ,without technology there are no advancements.Religion is big obstruction ,restricting people from crossing their ethical borders.


That is very racist.How can you even judge by person by their name ? Not every Muslim dealing with bitcoins is an ISIS anyway.


was*  did you change your religion ? Why ? What does bitcoins has to do with Ramadan ? Can you buy Ramadan stuff using bitcoins ? ::)

Its actually good to have discussions of this sort.Gives me a clear view of people using bitcoins from different parts of the World.Also ,never know a technology can be considered as Haram.

not the technology but making profits from non work is by my opinon haram, such as By speculating or gambling on the stock exchange --> haram
mining of a coin and selling them --> not haram --> again my opinon.

again ALLAH knows better

Dear my muslim brothers, no matter what they say about us, especially negative perspective just ignore them. Because if we pay attention just make them more eager to drop us. We know that our religion not teaching like they said, so do not feel it. offended pins feel.

I will not close or even remove this post, because there a so many muslim need to discuss this case.

btw sorry for my english. CMIIW

Welcome to bitcoin! Gambling and ponzi games don't bother me because you know up front that they are games that are high risk. But scams like the ones pulled by mtgox and cryptsy are the real problem. Cryptsy stole some of my bitcoins and a lot of other people are in the same situation.  Be careful putting money in exchanges.

The OP is basically asking,
is scamming people with bitcoin against his religion.
bitcoin is a currency so any religious rules apply to it the same as other money, for those that belive in religion.


BUT TAKE NOTE:

Bitcoin does not discriminate,
Bitcoin is for everyone

There is no place for religion/racism or PC in bitcoin.

Most posts in this thread should be deleted.

have you reported this thread yet ?
this thread should be removed for a few reasons
but mainly religion has no place here at all, regardless of whats being asked

MODS REMOVE THIS THREAD

Just treat bitcoin like money, if you earn it by bad ways, then that would be a sin.

Sorry, but I guess this thread belongs to Politic & Society board. Trust to me, you can find the best answers there, especially religion matter.

Waalaikumsalam..
welcome to the forum and on bitcoin world,yes that's was some ways to earn bitcoin with unsafe and harmfull way and against Islam rules,its why i'm not invest on hyip,ponzi or gambling,just earn bitcoin from good ways,you will find some,like signature campaign,cloud mining,or faucet.

Fuck you if you denounce Allah!  You and your family will suffer a horrible fate if you don't change your ways now.  Allah Akbar.

you just said it, loan with interest is also riba

but in todays date, muslims are don't care about riba, about haram and halal, they do anything for money.. I know lots of muslims who play gambling and giving taking loan, even this is allowed in every muslims country and their banks as well, muslims are don't care about these things,..
but seeing lots of muslims in bitcoin industry is very good,

"Aleyküm selam ve rahmetullahi ve berekatuhu"

I'm a Muslim too and i choose carefully what i want to, what do i advertise, how I'm earning the money etc.
First of all i would suggest you to stay away from betting, gambling, loans (with interest) because these are prohibited.
Trading bitcoin is allowed as it is allowed to trade cash in real life (this is how i understand it), exchanging bitcoins etc.

So you allowed to trade with Bitcoin, but you not allowed to earn interest from the currency you use? Interresting So what happens with volatility, if the price goes up? Is this not seen as interest? Do your religion prohibit interest from commodities too or only from commodities where illegal goods are concerned?

Sound very complex and restrictive to me. ^hmmmmm^

in my opinion, well there are a lot of things that you can do to earn bitcoin beside gambling or join HYIP and ponzi site ,  you can try to service section and develop your skill in there , or you can try trading ,

if me honestly i'm gambling too  ;D

Wallaikumsalam
I m also Muslim, and i m surprise too see that you are from Indonesia.
Are Indonesian Muslims? and you know very well about Islam.
My Answer is every currency is halal, the way how you can earn it, it will be count . I mean if you earn it in a illegal way that is not good for us. otherwise you are doing work in the right way and than you earn (any currency) like bitcoin. so it is halal for us.
Just like i m doing a work in Bitcointalk and i m earning so it is a good way for me.
Otherwise God better know than me.

LOL , Indonesia is THE largest Moslim country in the World :)

Really. Stop listening to the media. Especially when they try to tell you it has "nothing to do with Islam" everytime someone Allahu Ackbars and kills a bunch of cartoonists.


This is the best point in the thread. Bitcoin is for everyone. It only cares if your signatures check out and you paid the fee. You could be a Muslim, a different kind of Muslim, or belong to one of the many non-Islamic faiths that Islam has spent centuries trying to exterminate.

For example, I am a follower of Manāt, the pre-Arabian Goddess of Fate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man%C4%81t (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man%C4%81t)

Bitcoin is very popular among followers of Manāt. I pray to Manāt daily for the bitcoin price to rise and for victory over the current and historic enemies of Manāt. Many racists out their say bad things about Manāt and her followers, because they are racist and ignorant. Enlightened and educated people know that followers of Manāt are ultimately peaceful people, who love Bitcoin, and that her enemies will ultimately be destroyed as completely as crypto will destroy fiat.

Peace be upon Manāt, peace be upon all of her sisters, and peace be upon all of you.

wa'alaikumsalam. as far as I know it's not Riba, but don't do gambling, HYIP, PONZI or bet. it's not halal. I think you know why.

I see some threads in Indonesian section, if I'm not mistaken, talking about "Is bitcoin halal or not".

A few months ago I got news that MUI stated that bitcoin is haram because of 6 things, but 2 of them are wrong. So keep reading books about " fiqih jual-beli". So you will get answer.

How about earning bitcoin from gambling site like you are just doing now with your signature? Is it allowed by your religion?

may i spam here too? it's great to get some activity with topics like this.  :P

It's not the Muhammad that makes me nervous... it's "my" people that make me most nervous.  I don't want to get smoked by a drone.

I agree. American drones are killing people all the time. It's really terrible. On the other hand, you're very unlikely to be killed by a Mohammedan. Unless you joke about Mohammed. Or draw Mohammed. Or be an Atheist. Or be a Hindu. Or worship Manāt. Or be a Jew. Or be the wrong kind of Muslim. Or be a Muslim who leaves Islam.

Or be near a Muslim on the wrong day.

As long as you don't make any of those kind of racist, ignorant mistakes, you have nothing to worry about from the Mohammedans. They're famously peaceful, and have been since the beginning.

I'm glad to have a chance to clear up all these misconceptions about Islam. Just submit. All will be well. Submit. Submit. Submit.

Wallaikumsalam.
Both Islamic finance and Bitcoin contribute to the ongoing development of unconventional financial methodologies, both are in contrast to the so-called Western financial system. In a way, it wouldn't be unfair to conclude that they have a mutual opponent. If Bitcoin is to really become the future of money, as its proponents suggest, it would certainly be interesting to watch its evolution from an Islamic point of view.

For that reason, I previously suggested to create a section especially for Muslims. I am actually against mixing Bitcoin with any religious things but you can not prevent it. So you need to find a way to deal with it.
Satoshi would probably not like this.

Why? What are you afraid of?

I still do business as normal with them of course.  BTC are BTC.  Your religion is fine as long as it doesn't fuck with me!

the better you perform signature camp or trading are clear rules and I think it is not against the rules of our religion. or you can follow the giveaway and various contests in this forum to get some BTC.

You must show your reasons if it will become a problem and on this forum there are not ban for moslem to use this forum or using bitcoin.

Agreed, you are right, if we are talking about the religion, because everyone want to clear their views about bitcoins.
Bitcoin is a good Currency for all of us.
If someone ask me that his religion allow this currency, so we have right to talk with each other to clear the Confucian about this currency.
Because in this world most of the different religions peoples are here and they have different living style, so it is better to clear it.
Because it is also better for our BITCOINS.   

Everyone has their own rights to speak, but talking about religion is bit racist imho. It sounds like if other people dont do like your religion said, so they will go to hell. Don't take it as a ban for moslem, if people from other religion also make this kind of thread, I'm sure they will get same responses :)
Coexist.

Main Rules :
-GAMBLING IS HARAM
-HYIP IS HARAM
-INTEREST IS HARAM
:)

Bitcoin is mostly used by and owned by Christians and Americans.  If you help bitcoin, you are helping Christians and Americans - therefore HARAM. 

It doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

what are you talking about? haram? god? religion? LOL

i tell you my opinion:

anything based on MATH defeats the reasons for the existence of any god, allah or christ or spaghettimonster or whatever

bitcoin is pure math so is the opposite of any god, math is the best weapon against any abstract doctrine, math is proven gods are not

This is a very big mistake my friend.  Denouncing Allah will get you and your family a lot of problems.  I wouldn't do that if I were you.  You should be glad you are not in Pakistan - you would already be dead for thinking like this.  You are an idiot.  No amount of math will protect your neck from the sword.

i'm not scared of those religiontards, i live so off-the-grid that to me this kind of topics belong to another dimension

btw "gambling is haram but bitcoin not" seems to me as a very religious way to justify your own doubts, not seeing things the way they really are because some god made you blind with ignorance.

bitcoin is math, so follows the laws of numbers and not the laws of god

I requestyou please visit there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riba .

at that link you can find all the details about riba, and then come back here on bitcoin to see that what you are doing is good or bad.

Do not consider "bitcoin" as a strange thing, but consider it as a currency.

MR. what ever you are but you should respect the religions. if you a Human being so being human.
Secondly, you are talking about MATH, so prove it now, what is your math saying?
Why you are using only one word of math, prove it now.
if someone say that haram, so it is his own opinion, don't use the name of any religions and use the respect language.

Bitcoin is decentralization so no religion linked with it  :P
but for me bitcoin is like normal currency, you can use it for good way or bad way, you can choose it.

+1 8)

I am a little confused here. I thought that bitcoin is primary used as a currency and 'payment processor' and it fulfills the same function FIAT does.

So if Muslims are using regular FIAT money there shouldn't be a problem with using Bitcoin, right?

There is no way to know if coins you received are tainted and were used for example to gamble before, so why even bother to ponder about it?

man just study math and physics and you'll get quite some answers.

btw if for you is so important to know if bitcoin is good or not related to your religion, just understand how bitcoin works.

every bitcoin input is divided in small parts, so the bitcoin you own now is composed by many other inputs, those inputs might come from a Silk Road drug user, or from an evil pedo, or from some hacking action, or from some hitman, or even from some transaction from Satoshi.

i could go on more and more but please just stop justifying your money with your god because sounds quite desperate and incoerent

Who said that BITCOIN is not allow in our religions.
BITCOIN is a GOOD currency, i LIKE it and i USE it FOREVER, and read the all threads very carefully, than you know no one say that bitcoin is not allow in his religion.
And you said don't use the name of religion and God, only you are one person who use the name of God of all religions.

Actually it is since BTC is only pseudo anonymous. Fungibility is solved only at anon coins. What BTC will never become. Some other coins might sooner or latter. Monero is closest so far.


@RawDog

I read your replies only on last page, and since christians are minority on world i doubt most BTC owners is christians.  I would guess with buddhists or atheists. But that is just a useless guess.

Why I also decided to reply is your other post.  As i understand religion is an intimate thing. Is a relation you have with yourself or with God. So is a bit of waste to tell people what to do or act. Specially start sentences with words "Fuck you".



Muhammad Ali just died. You missed to buy his coins. Forever :(

what kind of helping people do to Americans if they use butcoin? do Americans take profit on the use of bitcoin? I think bitcoin is not controlled. or do I miss something?

Could someone please explain to me why you would start and title a thread by 1st explaining what religion you are???  i dont get why you would do that?  ..... ::)

There shouldn't actually be any problem at all using bitcoins be it muslims, christians, buddhists or any other religion. Bitcoin is free and will probably always be, for everyone (that has good access to internet though).
Religion talk would be endless.

if all forbidden, we continue to get bitcoin where, obviously my orientation but the signature campaign and trading, because if we play faucet require very much time to collect.  ;D

Denying Allah is definitely Haram.  You are fucked forever buddy.  Do your maths account for 'forever'?  Don't ever go to Pakistan or your 'forever' might come sooner than you expect.  

brothers, I made this post to the discussion. Not to curse and hostile each others. So please, ignore the insulting one

haram or halal bitcoin depends on our perspective. everyone has the right, and everyone also has a different way of thinking is different.

What, does allah not want you to buy low and sell high?  You guys should have been Satanists.  Put a fatwa on that.

And what if you are participating in signature campaign which is promoting a casino? There is plenty of these around, is it haram to earn money while promoting casino?

I think we should close this thread and refrain from discussing religious problems as these can't be logically explained.

But brother, its none of your bussiness if we muslim avoid it right? its our rules that you must not follow :D
So do whatever you want, its okay of you do what we dont do :D

I think there is no prohibition to benefit from bitcoin and there is no prohibition to use bitcoin or join this forum.
I do not see any books including the bible

I know your purpose is to make this thread as a good discussion place between moslems, but the right board for this thread is "Politic & Society", since your topic is more focus to religion than bitcoin itself. And now you have made few users quarreling and blaming religion each other, and I guess its a sin. Well buddy, I'm not a moslem, but I advice you to dont make Islam looks bad.

If they don't follow the rules, they are infidel.  If they are infidel, they shall die by beheading.  It is that simple.  Bitcoin is haram.

Guys, do not fall and affected with this RawDog. He is just luring us. Keep the deiscussion continues.

Yes, Bitcoin is free and not related to any religion. Its a currency and the good and bad thning about the currency depends upon its usuage and not on the currency Itself. If Used legally, then there is no harm is using Bitcoins.

Well, if u re afraid of RIBA, don't use Bitcoin. Another option s to send your BTC to me, so I ll earn interest on it if you re afraid to do so. Will even split profits with you.  ;D

bitcoin is not only for earn interest? we can earn bitcoin with safe methods also.. interest is not allowed in Islam but bitcoin is just a currency. if we use bitcoin with right ways, bitcoin is not bad.
and Please don't make argument here. this thread was created for  discussing bitcoin. not for religious issues.

I don't think that every signature campaign will necessarily promote casino. and I think not a single signature campaign has explained it that they are promoting casino. so we should see the right aspect of every think and not the wrong.

No, Bitcoin is Halal.
In my view, bitcoin is definitely halal, because it is only a currency, and bitcoin is giving us good way of earning, if we are earning any Cryptocurrrency or Fiat currency in a bad way that is haram.
So can we say that Fiat currency is haram? 
No, definitely NO.
If anyone say that some thing are haram, so that things are haram, not  bitcoin is haram.
       

Bitcoin is not haram if it is not used for things that are prohibited by Islam. I think people who get bitcoin from gambling it was clearly haram for muslim people. And IMO helping gambling site to promote his site like through following sig camp it definitely haram.

Exactly, you are right, i am also clear that point.
Actually one thing is that we are talking about the religion, so i want to request for everyone, please say something be-careful and never mind. Islam is peace religion.
And Bitcoin is a currency and we all like that currency.

go ask about bitcoin to the islamic banks

with bitcoin you promote a disruptive financial change that might effect banks and power structures

a religious person should not be against society and order

I have long brown hair and has two brothers, I also use Bitcoins, what have religion with Bitcoins to do?

Bitcoin s extremely advanced financial instrument. Islamic rules and regulations were made centuries ago and it s about time to change and improve some things.

You cannot really accept the fact that Islamic regulations from the time of the Prophet can apply to everything modern world can bring in front of you.

For example, I know bunch of people who practice Islam and re real followers of the religion. Yet, they ve had sex before marriage. So what.

As someone posted, this forum s about crypto, not about religion. Pls close this thread.

in fact is bitcoin a method of payment ( currency), the way your getting the bitcoin is crucial. if your getting it by wrong way its haram otherwise not. this easy is the answer.

btw if a beleaver says he/she is beleaving and in between he/she is doing forbidding things ...with do all respect then your not a true beleaver.
and one thing also we are HUMANS , and human without fault ( sins) are not humans because we are build this way , but we must learn from our faults also.( my opinon)

to OP you know it best when is something haram or not , its all in the logic thinking

Allah knows it best

lol

blockchain knows it better, because we all can prove it


btw please stop this religious BS on this forum, this is a forum about "looking forward technology" and not about some stone age level doctrine,

bitcoin is totally unrelated with any god / superhero / invincible man

I agree with your views. Please share your inputs here too:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1495809.0

this topic is turning into a spam place and insulting place and should be closed or moved to another board more suitable for this type of arguments.

RIBA is done with dollars a lot too

just as long as you don't RIBA yourself, it's not your problem right?

Bitcoin is created because the inventor was unhappy with how exploitative the current financial system is, so bitcoin at its core is made so it's hard to exploit.

Of course, bad people will always find a way to exploit others, but bitcoin itself is not exploitative in nature.

usery

I think the way that gives you the possibility to lose and bet on luck. such as gambling and so on can be called haram
and giving harm to others poeple such as providing a great interest on the loan can be called haram..
The rules actually provide benefits to us and others people

i think it's not a problem to make this thread haram or not it is already set in the scriptures and it's up to you to obey the rules or not
if you think it is not haram then carry on because that is responsible for sin is yourself

about halal and haram bitcoin has been much discussed in this forum, everything is handed to each of our intentions. whether bitcoin is done for good or bad.

lol i dont think there are many muslim traders or bitcoin users becasue most of the muslim does not have allot of cash or just want to hold it just one way because it is not easy to get bitcoins.

Why there should be a "muslim" section (or any other religion-section)? WTF

is you own chose where you can get or use your bitcoin in you can get from mining or from signature campaign or even faucet.
but if you don't like gambling just don't gamble you money just trade and you will get money or invest it or even spend it.
is like other currency you have to choose the method that you will use them.

I think Islam has given the correct rules. Islam does not want to let their followers to lose or loss. Islam provides an easy rule. you only need to use means that do not have the risk of losing? for example Siganture campaign? I know many people who do not like these? moreover trader or gambler but that's the rule. but once again it back to yourself. want to do it or not

as a Muslim who knows the word halal and haram. I recommend to get bitcoin on the path that is not fraudulent. you can try the faucet, signature campaign and trading. it is one way to avoid gambling. gambling games that are for a Muslim is unlawful.

Reported for religious discrimination

Forum can be sued for this

Fk off and spew ur bs somewhere else

LOSER

Looks like many muslim here and i think they are not the best in bitcoin.. and most of them are they are working and always making a ponzi sites.. just heard to other forums..

all back to ourselves respectively. I am also a Muslim, and if you are a Muslim, you should be able to determine which one is good and which is bad. all you mentioned of course, it is a bad thing. but you can try to trade it better

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yeah this is a very interesting thread you know I think whatever you do in bitcoin is to be your responsibility alone?
yeah I agree with you it depends on your own perspective. that a way it considers haram or halal? because you are doing it yourself dude

agree with you,halal / haram depends on what we use bitcoin :)

I disagree.
It has nothing to do with religion.
People will always find ways to make easy money.
Many admin HYIP sites are from Russia, Brazil, Nigeria, China.

there are a lot of understanding about bitcoin for a Muslim. but I took the middle road. bitcoin help us in our daily lives. and when it is beneficial then that is something we can do.

Its very simple, the way you get bitcoin and using for is crucial, if you gained via wrong way then is it haram ( like all other currency) otherwise its Halal.
it has nothing to do with how technical or how new the currency is, the WAY you gained is very important.

Can we stop from baseless accusations? Last time I checked there wasn't any info about 'top best countries to run Ponzi scheme from'.
It is your pure speculation, community blindly assume that people from generally poorer countries are more willing scam others - it is not always true.

True, many ways to get bitcoin apart from gambling. lest we wrapped up with a way to get bitcoin. and how it plunges us into violation of religious law.

i think there are allot of muslim bitcoin users and not because they cant use it because of there religion but that is not true. There are allot of muslims that cant use the  coin in their country because no one accept it.

1300 years ago son in law of prophet of islam said that there will be time when people use and trade invisible money, then in that time
There will be wars which ultimatly results the end of the humanity as we know it.

Something that almost every one fails to understand is that islam is not about the prophet and his family and his people but is the last
And end of prophecy, and no more messanger sent from God ever since, meaning we are getting close to the end as days goes by.
Islam says there is only one true God who was never borned and has no children and no partner. only true God who created everything
And any thing there will ever be. He just says 'exist' and what ever was that thing would come to existant from nothing and no where.

Just don't do things to others that you don't like to be done to you, the whole idea of islam.

any valid source ? hadist ?

I hope no one will start threads such as

"Christian Bitcoiner"
"Jew Bitcoiner"
"Buddhist Bitcoiner"
"Scientology Bitcoiner"
"Hindu Bitcoiner"
"Catholic Bitcoiner"

Why is it so special that Muslims use Bitcoin? Pretty much every other race also uses it but now that Muslims use it, there is a huge commotion about it?

You are saying true. I am also agree. These are not Halal in Islam but I think mining and trading is halal. Am I true ! Correction is appreciated. :)
Interest and gambling is totally Haram but HYIP, I don't know about it.

yeah it depends on people using bitcoin itself. basically bitcoin unsafe and unclean. if they are using bitcoin in the wrong way it would have been against the rules

The main problem is the legality, Muslims discussing the legality of bitcoin. because if bitcoin is not officially recognized by the government agencies bitcoin including unlawful. but if we see the development even today bitcoin can be converted to real currency. This is all included haram?  :o ;D

I think I agree, bitcoin can be used to help people, but it also can be used for bad things, same thing with money
but i dont dare to say whether bitcoin is haram or halal because I myself dont know the answer

can we please move this thread somewhere else

religion has no place here.

Hai if youre muslim you must try to join of signature campaign that do not have a contact with islam rule or some thing that collide with.maybe you can try to trading BITCOIN to.

I needed to search what Riba means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riba (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riba)

Based on what I understand (please correct me if I'm wrong), gambling is not unjust. Because in a gambling game, both parties agreed on their wagers. But scams/ponzis/hyips in the bitcoin world is surely Riba.

Muslims are need to choose investment way thats not collide with islam rule. There some signature campaign that no contact with riba or something that haram in islam. Also muslim can trading bitcoin,trading is halal right?  ;)

Yes sir I absolutely agree with you there are some way in use bitcoin that do not collide with islam rule, an example is trading, trading is not haram, so muslims are still can use bitcoin.

 Riba is interest charged on a loan.  It literally means "excess"
Scams, Ponzis and hyips are either Maysir or Gharar both of which are forbidden under the Shariah.  I'm not a Muslim but I know gambling is expressly forbidden.  You might as well dye your hands in pig's blood as gamble.

Based on the definitions, I would think even mining of bitcoin would fall under Maysir unless you are considering it a hobby.  If it is done for investment, it is probably forbidden.


Ramadan Mubarak.

I just have one thing to tell you, stay away from gambling! :D
And because you seem new here, welcome to Bitcointalk :)

 It is certainly not Halal if you invest your bitcoin here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1441952.0).
I wonder what the consequence of receiving coin that had previously been involved in a transaction for that purpose or even from Primedice, BC Casino, Bitcoin Gem, Silk Road, Satoshidice etc...
Would there be a method for purifying those coins?  So many Bitcoins are tainted.

Yeah dude, in bitcoin 's world it there's so many activities that it is not right with the religion law. I mean not easy to earn bitcoin by the halal ways more over in this forum bitcointalk. But still some site held a signature signature, so I think when You join signature campaign you will get decent money with halal ways.

Good luck to all of you, I hope bitcoin will show you how to be free in the future. To take off that bandages that this system put on you.

Bitcoin here or there is the same, bitcoin shows a lot to people who can see. I hope one day we can make something big from this.

Thank you so much :D

Wow theres a muslim that uses bitcoin. Its nice to hear that welcome to the bitcoin world and its nice that you post it. Now i know that there are muslims using bitcoin im thinking now that all people in the world using bitcoin. Many people here in bitcoin world that earning in many ways if you want to learn hoe to earn here just pm me, or you have a question in any ways of earning just pm me i will teach you. You are always welcome here

Well I guess you could say that to anyone, rather everyone here in the forum. I mean, we all are trying our bests to get our hands on as much coins as possible because we all want to earn and get profits from this.

of course gambling should be avoided. rule of law always has a good reason. because of the possibility of losing will be greater than the chances of winning will you receive. so stay away from gambling

Waalaikumsalam ...
We share the same from Indonesia. There are many ways that can be used. As the signature campaign or you can sell your services such as creating a logo. In my opinion it is not Riba.

SALAMALIAKUM BROTHERS AND SISTERS, i do faucet and cloud mining too, it seems legal but ALLAH [SWT] KNOWS BEST

if buying and selling is not HARAM IN ISLAM, will buy and selling  some alt coins at little profit be considered as RIBA or HARAM? THANKS

What does you being a Muslim have to do with Bitcoins? Why is this thread such a big deal?

true, do not carry the name of religion in this forum because the forum is discussing the issue of people who want to succeed through bitcoin.

That is interesting because I mentioned opening up a subsection of religion and spirituality in the politics and society section, but no one wanted to agree with my suggestion. With nowhere else to post, the forums will remain shitty and disorganized.

Follow the below mentioned rules and you are safe to use Bitcoins in any religion.

1. Staying away from gambling
2. avoid getting interest on loan
3. Do no offer any Scam service

Certainly a lot of scams out here in the bitcoin world. definitely do your research before you invest in any of the investment companies. If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is.

Bitcoin promotes multiculturalism as well, so there is no discrimination against any race or religion.

Of course, it's money. Money does not discriminate :D

Where is the Fatwah on Bitcoins?

fatwah against bitcoin does not yet exist? but I think bitcoin is a legitimate transaction

Yeah you are absolutely right for that point. There is so many scheme in bitcoin life and also the most activities is gambling related. So you should be careful with that. I know what do you feel, because I always selective when i looking for bitcoin even i selective when i decided to join a signature campaign. But keep in right way dude because still many like you here.

You got it. Thank you for clarifying. I imagine now how hard it is to be a Muslim.

You are right about riba mate thanks for help to explain here.

No, not too hard as you think on your mind. To be muslim only stay in the rules and muslim will be safe.
Hmm may be you think like that because it is many prohibitions to take halal money also in the ways of earning bitcoin. But i am sure still many halal ways that muslim can take.

thank you very much for all the respons guys :D

Waalaikumsalam brother, I'm from Indonesian true, about HYIP you can check biz-syariah.blogspot.com

And please share it :D
Syukron

I am wonder that what are you people saying, what is the problem in a new currency, there are thousands of currencies available on this earth and the muslims and people from other religions are using it for their life then why will a religion ban bitcoin?

I think people should have to consider bitcoin as a currency and have to follow all the rules which are provided to them by their religion about money and currency with that they will be in convenience regarding to any decision the take, i.e interest on loan in Islam and some other religions are banned so people should not have to take interest even when they get a loan in bitcoin.

I think the bitcoin is not the currency sign at the RIBA. because the currency is very clear and bitcoin no pieces that go on usury. All systems are also extremely normal and not breaking in the teachings of Islam. Bitcoin it real currency and can be used wherever and whenever.

I also think that bitcoin is a legit transaction and there is nothing bad in bitcoin and transaction through bitcoin, but I will say that Muslims should have to favor this currency most as the Muslims are claiming for the welfare of the people and so bitcoin is benefiting everyone financially.

It's good to see that Bitcoin has united so different people, different nations, religions, parts of the world.  This is also one of the Bitcoin advantages.

Yes true for Muslims who are prohibited from gambling can use the signature campaign or other lawful means.

That's nothing. Imagine how hard it is to be a non-muslim in a muslim country.

if I get the money or the bitcoin not by harming others, then the currency transactions can not be said to be haram, because in ancient times also apply the law of barter in buying and selling.

I think that it's not bitcoins's merit, you will not see difference if you will give to other people 1 million dollars, he will be so happy ;D But anyway it's good.

use bitcoin for "halal transaction" like buying pizza it's halal.
bitcoin is like normal currency

Just be careful and don't be stupid. You will be okay.

If you are in doubt about something (store, exchange, service, etc.), ask a reputable member from the forums.

Good luck!

Hi amarjoss, when did you start using bitcoin by the way? Well you didn't make wrong decision. Investing it bitcoins are good just make sure that you know very much where you are investing your money at. I also have a question, what is RIBA?  Is it a site? HYI

its funny to hear this concept ,as far i know the history of the religion itself is formed as hire for protection,which is taking money for the protection of their life. i didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings,and how come you can consider muslim's to be giving out interest free loans,as far as history goes they are the first international business people who traveled around the world.

everything you mentioned it is not worth for a Muslim. but you can grow in a way that is more appropriate, such as the signature campaign and trading.

Yes very true for a Muslim it is not permissible for violating religious rules. Might try such a signature campaign, selling services, trade.

precisely, signature campaign and trading is very beneficial for bitcoiner Muslim. they can earn lawful money of the two.

You are right trading is best ways to take bitcoin in halal ways and it is don't have relations with gambling or betting. But you can not sure  that all of signature campaign is good for muslim.
There is  some signature campaign, sorry i mean majority of signature campaign is the campaign from gambling and betting site. Did you think from where they pay their campaigner ? I know that not every muslim give attention about that ! *cmiiw

thank you everyone  ;D ;D

and did you get your answer??

Don't do it - unless you love the devil and want to spend the rest of eternity with him.  No virgins for you buddy!

This whole topic is a lie. A lair pretending to be very ethical and purist has started it and some other liars has joined him. It is part of a criminal, terrorist activity too I suppose, they are fooling people that there is an exceptional ecosystem named 'Islam' in which people do care a lot about doing the right thing.

It is a lie. No ideal religious ecosystem exists, it has not been existed and won't be in existence in the future. There exist only extremist liars  who do not believe in god at all, have not a clue about humanity and basic values like, honor, love, kindness, being humble, etc. which was the main cause the God originated the religions (including Islam). They just stick with some old-fashioned traditions like sexual discrimination, violence and .... which they have found in recent years very useful for their obvious thirst and hunger for power, women, money , ...

This fucking 'Halal' discourse is part of it. They use this discourse to fool naive under-educated usually young people for their next more violent propaganda. Next step is to convince people about the necessity of Sharia' Law to save the community which implies an unlimited power in hands of "the legitimate" interpreters of this law,  and finally their stupid young victim has to take the final step, Jihad which seems to be very funny and exciting but is a huge crime against humanity and the victim himself and unforgivable sane before the God.

I am a Muslim myself. I know this extremist devils extensively. They are liars believe me and don't pay any attention to them. They are criminals and eventually will be punished for their crimes, stick with your beliefs and your culture. Islam is just one another religion, all of the religions are planned by the God to make people happier and better and all of them repeat simple instructions about being honest and kind to each other and to have a good faith in humanity and what is trying to accomplish through its history.

so many Muslim bitcoiner are there. i am also a Muslim. i have so many Muslim friends who have invested a lot of their money in bitcoin.

STOP Talking!  You are infidel.  You die now.  Do not say more blasphemous things or someone will cut you.

And it not bother you or any other Muslims in the slightest that you are promoting gambling by wearing your casino signature? Isn't it pretty much showing your hypocrisy and double standards?

@aliashraf Your post is rare example of honesty among Muslims. As I noticed most of Muslims are afraid to think for themselves. Bravo!

as long as you use bitcoin, do you feel that the trade bitcoin has been away from the religious rules? What do you think?

I do not feel that the trade bitcoin does not deviate religious rules, which may be an issue is the legality of the bitcoin in their respective countries.

People cares about religion when they have deal with money? I am so confused, for me money is much higher than religion cause i am not a typical fanatic who blindly following others.

 Except when it comes to using money.

If you want to have a safe investment using btc. I prefer that you must invest in mining. Search for the top mining sites on the net and invest diversely which means do not invest your btc in one mining site but to multiple mining sites. Though the return of investment is low but surely you will not be scammed. I suggest genesis mining and hashocean for start, then you can search the net for the top ten list of trusted mining sites.

hello
i'm Muslim

Indeed but the fact is that everyone is using the bitcoin even people with religions and its logical why would they not use it right ?

Just to be clear, you are communicating that discussion about the morality of bitcoin will eventually lead to terrorism?

I'm serious, you confused me a bit.

Yes, at least give me new experience about this crypto :D

Why morality and religion asepct is being inserted to the topic of Muslim being a bitcoiner?

Can someone enlightened me with this? Don't know some of money beliefs with this religion.

In my trading group, we have members from Muslim Community from Mindanao region here in Philippines. They are really lots in numbers.

yes it is ture. i am a muslim. and alot of my brothers are here i think. i have so many muslim friends who have invested their money here in bitcoin. i think we should  not discuss the the religion here.

why not discuss??? for what you affraid of ???

its very simple answer to the question of OP, if you GAIN it from forbidding things ( such as ,interest , gambling , ponzi , hacking--> stealing from others, or hurting others eg) is HARAM, not only bitcoins but everything you gain it from forbidding things is HARAM.

Yes true if we are Muslims we can avoid gambling. There are many ways to get bitcoin good and lawful. So we can still try other means such as the signature campaign.

This is the dumbest topic title ever

This topic is not about bitcoin and its morality. There is and there will be no such topic for eternity. Everybody knows bitcoin is not a such a subject ... neither Islam nor any other religion has anything to do with bitcoin ...

so why one should start such a topic? I live in the Middle East and I know the answer ... this is a gesture, a trap, extremists have made an ambush here:

It is a lie about they are being so moral, having a lot of scrupulosity about what they do. Victims of their propaganda will of course eventually find that this guys are not moral enough when it comes to problems like killing innocent people, abusing children, sexual harassment/discrimination , smuggling tones of heroin to buy explosives and guns ... unfortunately they will realize this when it is too late because they are themselves committing these crimes.

No I don't think one can not start a general discussion about morality of any social phenomenon, I think one can not pretend to do this when he is just recruiting , it is a lie, liars can not start a topic about morality. This is the end of immorality: hypocrisy!

What kind of topic is this? If you talk about bitcoin whether halal as using, yes it is halal if you earn it in halal way but interest is not halal in islam. Trade is halal.

what makes you look stupid this title?

Yes more the wise he should be give us explaining about his opinion. It will give us more information and maybe makes bitcoin better in the future.

i am Muslim and know so many other Muslim involved in bitcoin. i have so many Muslim friends from Pakistan, India, Saudi Arabia and so many other countries who are doing trading in bitcoin. i am sure that bitcoin and its trading is Halal. i think we should not fall in the discussion of religion related to bicoin because it created doubts it is not a good thing.

Eid Mubarak to All of my Muslim Brothers and Sisters who are inclined to this Forum....

Eid Mubarak to you 2, have a nice day and celabrate it in good health @everyone

Tomorrow is the end of Ramadan, right?

Thy shall not have any other god beside Satoshi Nakamoto !


 

Eid mubarak to you too my friend, have a nice day and happy day in our winning day


Today is the last day of ramadhan, and tomorrow we celeberate eid mubarak

i will never understand this, here in Holland, its celebrating today and at you guys gonna celebrate tomorrow???

We have same situation too. And I thought Eid Al-Fitr is the same as Ramadan.

Satoshi Nakamoto is not God, he is just a man that can create digital currency, and it is a gift of God given to him.

there is different between solar calendar and lunar calendar. Islam follows lunar calendar. now why some are the Eid is celebrating one day before or after. because in some are the Moon (Crescent) rise one day earlier so they celebrate one day before and some are it arise after that so they celebrate it on next. actually the order of Ramadan and Eid is that when you see the crescent in your area or country then celebrate it.

Aaaaaaaah, ok. Now it all makes sense. It's just a gift from god!!!
I thought he was a smart guy, extremely intelligent, who studied hard and achieved something incredible like a peer-to peer cash system.
Sorry, I am so naive.

Wow lol what have i just read.
I have found that there are special investing account's on some investing sites (trading actually,forex one's) where there
was an islamic version of account.
I dont know why there is such lol :D

if this is a gift from God, then this is the most profitable gift that God has given. everything we should be pleased if something wants to be a blessing to our lives without prejudice whom the Supreme Set.

Meh?
What's the point of precising you're a muslim?
That's like "hello I'm right handed and a bitcoiner".
And so?

Well,maybe he thinks that he will amaze us or something? i dont know really hard to say.
Many people could think that amarjoss is just an attention wh*** but that is what my friend just said,no offense buddy.

Before investing in any sites or any kind of investment you should make a thorough search of the site that you are going to invest. It will take some time but it really worth it. Google will help you in many ways. If you wanted to be safe without doing research or anything, hoarding your btc in your wallet in along time is also good. SInce bitcoin price is going up and never goes down it is wise to hoard it in your wallet.

I don't understand why people have to specify their religion and or nationality.
Why do you want to highlight differences among people with like minded interests, is it too bad to have a common interest and just that as our agenda and not religion or nationality?

Agree, we don't need to put gaps between our races we're human we're only one. But we can't deny that most people in every country had this behavior of being nationalist.

Bitcoin is for all races it is not bounded by tribes and cultures. But for you I would recommend online jobs that pays bitcoins. You may also do some signature campaign and earn. It is better to earn bitcoins by doing jobs rather than investing it or use it in gambling. Online jobs offer income without risk and capital. So it is the safest way to earn bitcoins.

Hi all,

I am neo-confucianist and I have been using bitcoin for several months...

Good question brother but instead of posting it in this forum, you should ask some Islamic scholar.

I have seen alot of muslims saying that they gamble with their bitcoins on sport.
Isn't that against that religion? Or are they just Islamic imposters?

not only sports but about all format of gambling are fobidden in islam. so they are not imposter because imposter keep a very deep meaning in Islam but they are doing sin and they will pay for that/

Muslims also drink alcohol, party and many other. Muslims believe in their own version of Islam

every Muslims( actually every human being) is free in what he/she is doing, you can walk the "wright"path or wrong path, its your choice, for example if you eat the forbidden fruit and if you do that, you will pay it hereafter (if you beleave). its like jump the lights, you know its forbidden and you doing it also,  so you pay the penalty (traffic ticket).
so yes Muslims are humans to, and humans without sin do not exist :)
but this has nothing to do with bitcoin so.... :)

Now its common to see lots of Muslim bitcoin users. At the same there is a large number of people who were much interested into it but due to religious statement stay out of it.

One thing I like about Bitcoin is that I think it will lead to a society that benifits intelligent people (producers) and makes life more difficult for unintelligent people (leeches). As a consequence, it will lead to billions of idiotic Muslims starving on the street because they're no longer getting welfare aid from Western Governments. If Muslims use Bitcoin in order to help bring this future about, all the better.

Don't worry there will be other article about the IDF rabbi rape policy on non Jews (the world)... Your upping other posts is useless... ;-) hasbarah in full denial and damage control...

not all Muslims are devout Muslims, as well as with other people. Muslims that gambling is a people who have sinned, and they should be immediately realized his mistake.

What ever religion do you have either Muslim or Christian and other religion throughout the world. Everyone commit mistakes because were only a man and thats normal but we shouldnt tolerate it besides we must correct all the mistake weve made. Devouted or not we do commit mistake the important thing that we must correct it .

yes but they are committing a sin. and they are doing it against their law of religion. because there is a clear cut definition of alcohol and Islam forbidden Muslim not to use alcohol or other of its forms.

and the sin which they have done must be redeemed by repentance if they want to improve their lives. Islam does force in all things, even his people who need to understand the rules of the religion.

what is the connection between alcohol and gambling ? Drinking alcohol doesnt mean that muslim will gamble too :D or a gambler doesnt have to drink alcohol. Both are forbidden okay but completely different scenerios

Well if it becomes halal anytime soon feel free to forward them my way  ;D ;D
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The world average person who gambled accompanied with alcoholic beverages, it is already clear about their relationship.

They are both bad addictions but ive never heard an alcoholic gambler + muslim:D

yes there is no doubt about this. and they are committing a sin and they have to be punished by Allah for their wrong deeds. they should not do so. they must obey their religio

if you have never heard anything like that, then you should try to play to our country. Here a lot of people are Muslims but they do acts that are prohibited by religion. indeed a shameful thing.

This thread is the single most hilarious thing on the forum. Religious people discussing if a technology is okay with their religion. L O L

RIBA=Fish
In my country in Croatia riba means fish.I am muslim and I love to eat fishes.I also like to eat all kind of meats.My favorite meet is pig.I dont know why in muslik life eating pig isnt allowed but shark can eat us.I dont understand my religion so confused.And girls wearing on head that things makes me scared and it is weird for me.If you want 20x your money in couple of weeks or 200x in about one year pm me.

Doesn't it just show you though how ridiculous and also oppressive and violent their religion is? That they even need to discuss it? I doubt even the Jews have it that bad because the main things I know of they have to worry about are stuff like eating pork and so on and they don't normally have to worry about getting beheaded or stoned in their religion.

i couldnt understandwhat you meant im sorry

yeaah , i am a muslim but i do break all the rules ....... sure your a good muslim

He didnt say he was a good muslim already :D however breaking the religious rules doesnt mean youre bad tho belief of a person is her/his business pal. We cant determine or judge people

So called religious people :D :D :D :D THICK AS SHIT ;D..

I believe in peace but i want a war and the enemy to die ;D..
Now think what i just said you thick people..So do i believe in peace?..
Now ask yourself are you a MUSLIM CHRISTIAN JEWISH..

When i was young my parents made me become a JEDI to become one i had to clap 3 times
and say the words i will worship the one true god YODA and i must worship YODA 3 times a day
to thank YODA for giving me this life and this planet..
RULES OF A JEDI..
No smoking no drugs no alcohol no gambling and i must worship Yoda 3 times a day..

Now all these rules I don't do anyone of them I smoke i take drugs i drink all day and i never pray..
I only pray if i have a bet going then i pray hoping my bet will win..
So do you think i am still a JEDI ?..

My wife does the same calls her self a CATHOLIC because she been christened  :D :D
I said do you believe in god she said not no more i did when little ..
So i said how can you be a Catholic if you don't believe in god..

Here is her answer :D :D..When ever she gets a letter asking her religion she always puts CHRISTIAN :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D..
Some thick people on this planet yes my wife included :D :D :D :D :D :D

whatever you say is all okey for me i just wanna add something.
Practising religious rules doesnt make you good at all. it just makes you called religious (doesnt matter which religion you have)
There are many people obeying all religious( doesnt matter which again) rules + full of shit tho

Can we have a list of signature campaigns that conform to Islamic laws? I mistakenly joined a campaign that I later realised is against Islamic rulings regarding halal trade.Thanks to Allah I left it just before getting paid.
If there would be a list that includes signature campaigns which are in accordance with sharia,it would be great help to all Muslim members here

Thanks to Allah he left it before getting paid ^^ phew
I apologize for laughing but it really is funny:)

Like I said, their religion is ridiculous what a bunch of dumbasses, no I won't apologise, you're all idiots, fucking hell do you know how bad you guys are? You make BaDecker look reasonable and tolerant.


No, fuck off, these people have to be trolling now lol.

BtvGainer  ;D really ?We need siganture campaing which are connected with our muslim religion?We will not go to hell if we broke one muslim rule on bitcoin talk forum.God will not punish us hard for that.

this is the funniest thread ever :D nothing makes sense after last comments :D:D:D:

I am different muslim then other muslims and i cant understand my muslim religion.I think that I will go to christianity or become atheist because I have many christianity and atheist friends so i am not typical muslim.I am more funny muslim.

Try this

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Requirements: No skill, but a lot of boring work
Common Risks: Getting viruses and malware by surfing many sites

a) PTC websites: Click ads and get paid in bitcoin
b) Bitcoin Faucets: Enter captcha and get paid in bitcoin
c) Ad watchers: Watch ads or videos and get paid in bitcoin
d) Minijobs: Complete mini tasks and get paid in bitcoin



2❱ Writing
Requirements: English language, possibly other languages
Common Risks: Getting banned from the forum by posting 1 liner post spam or not getting paid ,  Copyright problems

a) Signature campaign: You put an ad code in your signature, and get paid in bitcoin. LIST OF CAMPAIGNS: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0
b) Translator: Offer your translation service to people who want things translated from english to other languages
c) Article writer: There are many news websites that want journalists to write articles about
d) Blogger: Make your own blog and write about stuff, put ads on it, and gain bitcoin
e) Tutorial writer: Write any tutorial, here in the forum aswell, and hope to get donations
f) Rewriter: Rewrite old articles or other manuscripts, some people will pay you for this, search the forum services board or the web for this
g) Copywriter: Write ads for bitcoin businesses

But sir if your not practising your religion then your not religious..
Like if you don't practice to be a doctor your not a doctor..

As the saying goes practice what you preach..

Gambling is a curse..More people have lost their money than people who won.If my religious views sounds you funny I dont ask you to interfere.My religion is my choice and you have no right to ridicule my choice

Alikum Al-Salam Bro...
Stay away from gambling games.. Invest your bitcoins on trading altcoins Buy/Sell and Signature campaign...
I recommend for trading altcoins
https://bittrex.com
https://poloniex.com

And this for signature campaign https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0

Put your muscles away you idiot :D :D :D or are you gay :-*
You need to change your picture to a MUPPET ;D ;D ;D
Trading altcoins is gambling ;D..STRIKE A POSE BITCH :D :D :D :D

You know your asking for it with a picture like that :D :D :D :D :D

To all Muslims just use BTC how you see fit it's your bitcoin not gods  :D :D :D
What do you all do get your flying carpets out and pray before you use bitcoin :D :D :D :D

STOP IT..It's your money no need to bring god in when using bitcoin.. >:( >:(

You can always go here and show your muscles off they would love you ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdbt-sx5MDc

We have a right to say what we want about fairy tales ;D.
Just like you have the right to call HARRY POTTER what you want ;D

Right I am going to give you Muslims a lesson on how not to get scammed when trading altcoins..

1..Check Altcoincalendar.info | Calendar
https://www.altcoincalendar.info/calendar.  You will see when new altcoins will be released before they go on an exchange..
When you have found a altcoin you like check it out before you buy..
See if the work the developers have done on there coin is up to scratch..
Check if the site they have is not copy paste and the altcoin they are working on is not a clone of some other stupid altcoin..
You will see if it's a good coin by the work they put into there new altcoin and the site they will have to promote there coin..

2..Be very careful of scams and false promises by developers..They will say all sorts to get your bitcoin..
If your trading only buy a small amount to get the feel for the trades..
Because the second you buy loads people will sell to get a profit then when it drops they buy back again getting more coins on your expense...

But always be careful because 1 thing i hate the most is a rat DEV scum bag robbing turd..
See they make you feel like there new altcoin will be like the new bitcoin in price so you start to dream about your mansion because you got millions of these new altcoins ..

Then 1 day you look and the price you paid as dropped so much your left feeling tho your mansion is out of reach..So don't get above yourself because it will hurt your feelings when they fail
because you believed every word your developer told you..
NEVER TRUST ANYONE WITH YOUR MONEY..Not even your god Allah ;D

Trading altcoins is no different than a field of horses your going to bet on..
So do your home work before you buy any coin and check to see if in top 100
Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations
https://coinmarketcap.com/


Just remember if you do get scammed don't be blowing yourself up :D :D :D

DO YOUR HOME WORK BEFORE YOU BUY
DO YOUR HOME WORK BEFORE YOU BUY..DRUM THIS IN YOUR HEADS..

Enjoy trading because it can be fun..And be careful of scams..

Oh and gods have nothing to do with bitcoin ;D..Keep it real chaps..

1 more thing to remember..
If you own more coins than the developer why on earth would they do all the work to make you rich..So only buy small amounts

There was a guy who spent all his college funds on world coin 25k dollars worth and ended up loosing his money ..It dropped like a stone..

if you are a Muslim, but you can always break the rules, then I suggest you to immediately repent, I hope you get the guidance and forgiveness from God. My duty is to remind each other among fellow Muslims if there are Muslims who were lost without forcing them.

Can you elaborate further reasons for it being haram?

Based on the fact , what your are doing is illegal then it's haram. All money earned by exploiting people, deceiving website are haram because you aren't eligible to earn from faucet sites more then once for a specified period of time . however there's an exception that it might fall in halal category if website is silent about self referral or promote it. Thanks

Prices can go low and you can suffer a loss , the profit you made aren't fixed

In interest your rate is fixed, you hardly get a loss

When an investment is such that you rec fixed amount of principal or there is no chance of losing money on what you invested it's considered haram . because such can be used to exploit resources and people

Welcome.  I am an Atheist, I like to look at butterflies and have been using bitcoin for several years. LOL.

I would not worry about RIBA. Make your money any way you can. Allah does not know what bitcoin are, if he did, he would put few verses about bitcoins in the Quran.

Good luck.

Mining is not riba. But PONZI, Gambling, and and loan is Riba.

congratulations you're an atheist do you a person be trusted? LOL
obviously you're not worrying that what is good and evil something in mixed

god bless you

how do you know where you know where your brother is from? have you nod nseen your family in a long time? I thought muslim was family oriented, not real my guess is.

Savage af. He is just happy to see his fellow mates using on this forum :P lmao don't be so harsh to anyone muslim had their on world where they don't listen to people i had friend also who using or visiting on this forum and he don't want me to teach him lmao.

I have a lot of good muslim friends from dubai they are a bitcoin enthusiast like me as well. Well they are a bigger type bitcoin earner than me maybe because things there are much better

I'm the most honest, trustworthy person you'd ever meet.

Unlike you, trigger happy, taqiyya spewing, a-holes.  I believe your religion prevents you from being honest, even with yourself.

Be happy.  Take care.

I don't really see how this fits the Politics and Society section in the least just based on the fact that you're a Muslim in this community. Maybe you feel as if being Muslim is something that is above all due to what the recent media has been saying relating to how Donald Trumps comments are this and that--

We'll I'll get off my tangent and just go ahead and say congratulations for joining the community, it's a pretty niche one but it's a nice one to be in. Comments in this thread are fucked though, gosh guys.

same iam from indonesia too
where youre from city, and how much in bitcoiner community youre city

in my city of Bandung is famous for high creativity, maybe in my city the bitcoiner a lot, but they do not reveal their existence because until now there has been a lot to facilitate them because only some people who can understand and can use bitcoin, although the majority of people here Muslim but they never get the socialization of the advantages of using bitcoin. I think the Muslims wherever they are needed to get information about the advantages of using bitcoin so they do not miss to thrive in the world of technology.

  If any Muslims are interested in an active bitcoin project, please check out

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2137399.0

This will be fantastic. Interest free loans are a nice idea for borrowers but there will be a revenue share model instead of interest.
But only name is different revenue share or interest same thing happens but only name is different.

There are so many Indonesians in this forum - it seems to be very popular there - how many people are into cryptos in Indonesia?

I also agree with you that bitcoin will not be usury if we look for it in a lawful way and not harming any party. Mining and trading are two ways that I think are safest from getting exposed to sin in getting bitcoin, but if we intend to follow the signature campaign is not a problem as long as we are smart to choose which signature campaign we will follow, I suggest to follow the signature campaign dev it's not coming from a gambling site.

Yes, this is quite true. There are a lot of ways to earn bitcoin. You can also try mining, however, it involves investing on hardware devices, but the earning is great. You can try joining campaigns as well, this is the easiest way I think. It’s nice to know that many people are getting more interested in bitcoin.

i also like you, i am a muslim in indonesia .. i play bitcoin for three months and earn good. but I do not play gambling because gambling law is forbidden to me .. I just play bounty ..

Please check out the ummati project, a blockchain project by Muslims.

 The website is http://ummati.io

How the Internet works in your country?

I love the fact that Muslims Adopt the BTC concept and use it  for various needs both legal and illegal when it was a "Western" conception and everyone knows how much they love western ways and ideology.

I Guess in the Muslim world if it conforms to your needs it's ok. Regardless of who created it.

BTC is good. Even though it's a westerners Invention and innovation.
Stoning people to death is good when they are Gay,Commit infidelity,don't conform to muslim ways.
Beheading is good for westerners and Infidels and Christians.

Bad things:
Women showing any part of their face or body.
Interest charges on Loans AHAHAHA
Women actually being able to go to school. Maybe the men are afraid the Women might get smarter than them?  ;D
Being any other Religion besides Muslim.
Pork. lmao even though Muslims claim it is a filthy beast i would argue it's cleaner than most Muslims.

So explain how do Muslims who hate Western Ways and ideology come to use a Western Invention?

"Hello everyone, I am a gay, and I like Bitcoin."

 ;) I just feel like this comment is very relevant to this thread and Bitcoin.  
Eeeehm....Should there be a forum thread for Gay Miners?  ???

wallaikum salam...
stay away from usury and ponzi system that now a lot of me very annoyed at all with the hyip, ponzi can make people crazy.

Waleikum asalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakata :)

 I wrote the following article at medium.com/ummati about the concept of gharar.

“The principle of gharar in cryptocurrency

With the recent rally in cryptocurrency prices, questions appear to have been flooding in to Islamic scholars, leading to a new round of fatawa, or legal rulings, by prominent figures traditionally recognized as qualified in Islamic jurisprudence.

Opinions are divided, with some classically trained scholars seeing it as being not so different than the now largely digital dollar, while others considered that the extreme volatility of the price presented an excessive amount of risk. Some even declared bitcoin haram, or illegal/impermissible in Islamic law. The main principle used to justify this decision was the principle of gharar.

The principle of gharar is usually used to refer to transactions with uncertain or unclear outcomes. Futures contracts are a good example- agreeing to buy agricultural product before the harvest at a predetermined price. In applying this to bitcoin, the assumption is that since so much of the value of bitcoin is speculative, it is unclear what a person is buying and what the outcome of the entire bitcoin venture is going to be.

At least, this is the only way that I can understand that the principle of gharar could be applied to cryptocurrency.

The hadith usually cited as the basis for gharar refers to the selling of birds in the sky, fish in the sea, or unborn animals in the mother’s womb. Clearly this would include futures contracts. Looking at how various scholars interpreted this, we see the Hanafi school, broadly speaking, defined gharar as “that whose consequences are hidden.” Some scholars of the Shafii school of law define it as “something which in its manner and its consequence is hidden.” One Hanbali definition is “that whose consequences are unknown.”

One of the most relevant descriptions for this discussion may be the statement of Ibn Hazm, “Gharar is where the buyer does not know what he bought, or the seller does not know what he sold.”

This would clearly be the case in purchasing fruit before the time of harvest. No one knows what the outcome of the harvest will be. It could be a large amount of high quality fruit, or a small amount of completely inedible fruit.
 If we consider this in the case of bitcoin or more broadly cryptocurrency, it could definitely be argued that many people investing in bitcoin are engaging in gharar transactions. They may not really know what it is they are buying, and they may be motivated only by the hope of quick profits.

Let’s put this in a more understandable form.
 Let’s say there’s a village exisiting in total isolation from the outside world. This village has never had a combustion engine before. Then one day someone shows up with the plans for a combustion engine, and builds it, and starts to use it to run a water pump. Everyone is amazed, and the water pump service turns out to be highly profitable. The people who helped the first person build the engine become very wealthy.

Then people start saying that engines can be used for other things rather than just water pumps- they could be used for things like chainsaws, tractors, motorcycles, airplanes, or even to run multiple water pumps rather than just one water pump with modifications.

The result is that the value of the one functioning engine in the village skyrockets- not because of the actual value of the engine for its current use powering water pumps, but because of speculation about the future uses.
 Some claims may be very based in fact. Let’s say one villager has a design for a car, and real concrete plans for implementing it. Another villager may have a design for a “rain cloud maker” powered by an engine that has complicated schematics that actually don’t make any sense when you deeply analyze them- but some villagers are so impressed by the idea that they agree to help the man build it with their resources. The man then allots himself a hefty salary on the development team of the impossible “rain cloud maker” project.

Obviously, this scenario is taking a technology we understand, the combustion engine, and comparing it to one we don’t fully understand, blockchain.

What this is practically meant to illustrate is that whether or not a transaction falls into the category of gharar is directly related to the level of understanding of the person investing. This is not as clean and black and white as we might hope, but I don’t believe the presence of doubtful issues in the cryptocurrency space means that it should be avoided entirely. The value of bitcoin is highly driven by speculation, but essentially, bitcoin is similar to a stock in that it is a joint venture that is open to anyone. The value of bitcoin is determined largely by the contributions of the members of the bitcoin community, but bitcoin itself has proven uses that are entirely independent of its speculative value. Furthermore, purchasing a cryptocurrency increases its value, which in a way is a contribution to the development team of that cryptocurrency- this is very different than simply betting on the future value of a harvest. Buying cryptocurrency is a very real way to support the community developing a new technology. It thus has very real utility to society, unlike pure gharar transactions.

This underscores the importance of crypto currency education from the Islamic perspective- the difference between investing in bitcoin being halal (legal in Islamic jurisprudence) or not could be directly related to the level of knowledge of the person investing. This is because the essence of a gharar transaction is that the buyer does not know what they are buying.

In the example of a combustion engine, someone who does not understand it could look at it and say “Why are people making such a fuss over this strange looking hunk of metal? I’ve seen similar quantities of metal for much cheaper prices.” If someone were then to say “You can make something that can lift heavy objects for you with this, and maybe you turn lead into gold with it,” if the person was to purchase it with the hope that it could be used to manufacture gold, the value would be much higher, because creating gold out of lead would have much quicker and bigger gains than simply lifting heavy objects. If they were to really assess the dynamic of it and determine that it can be used to lift heavy objects, but not to manufacture gold, the value would be lower, but still much higher than a piece of metal of similar weight with no functionality as an engine.

This is another beautiful illustration of the wisdom of Islam, and how the legislation is designed with the well being of humans in mind.

In bitcoin, it was very clear from the beginning that the people who understood what bitcoin was were the ones that supported stability of the price. Each time there was a rally, a bunch of get-rich-quickers would show up and start buying into it even though they didn’t know what it was. Then some negative news story would come out, and the price would crash, and all of the people who didn’t understand what it was would panic and sell, resulting in the price crashing even more and leading to a lot of people losing a lot of money.
 However, the people who did understand it would patiently hold their coins, and speak as the voice of reason in the community, explaining why the fundamentals of bitcoin were still sound, and why it was, in fact, undervalued.

Gradually, this group would lead to price stability, and the prices would level out until the next rally.

Essentially, the strongest fatawa (Islamic legal rulings) on bitcoin have stated that investing in bitcoin is allowed if you belong to the people who “get it”, but not allowed if you are one of the “get-rich-quick” types that doesn’t get it.

If Muslims as well as non-Muslims could follow this guidance, it would lead to a much healthier cryptocurrency ecosystem overall.” :)

I wrote this on quora to discusw Islamic perspective on cryptocurrency.

A major issue is that almost all classically trained scholars in Islam (rightfully) spend most of their time learning the essentials of the most important disciplines- akida, fiqh, hadith, tafsir, seerah, and other traditional disciplines. It takes time to understand how the modern currency system functions, and with the rigorous schedule of most Alim programs, there is simply not enough time to gain an in depth understanding of the nature of the financial and monetary system and its inter relation with Islamic law.

One study published by researches at the International Islamic University of Malaysia conducted a survey of sharia scholars to determine the extent of their understanding of the monetary system. It was administered as a quiz, and I believe almost none of the participants did very well. The study can be read here:

http://www.emeraldinsight.com/doi/abs/10.1108/H-01-2017-0013?&af=R



As far as I know, so far scholars have been divided. Generally most fatawa I encountered considered it as permissible, but with the recent steep increase in value, a few fatawa have come out against bitcoin and cryptocurrency in general in the past couple of months. A lot of the assumptions are based on misunderstandings or lack of understanding of the underlying technology and its uses. I’ve tried to list a few of the issues that the fatawa against blockchain bring up:

“It does not have a form or existence.”
The vast majority of dollars in existence have no physical form- they exist only as bits of data in a bank database. Why are there no fatawa (legal rulings) condemning the non-physical nature of this money? Is it because some of the dollars (less than 10%) have physical existence? In that case, a great many physical bitcoin have been produced, called Casascius coins. If the lack of a physical existence were a criteria for the validity of the use of an asset for cash, then we would have to apply the same standard to bank accounts.

2. “It does not have a government or authority regulating it.”

Bitcoin is regulated, albeit by consensus. Modifications to the code base must be accepted by the community. Likewise, a government or a private company is also a community of individuals, albeit with a different structure of government. If a decentralized network is not allowed in Islam, I have yet to see the proof from Quran or hadith.

3. “Investing in it is akin to gambling.”

This is absolutely true, if a person doesn’t understand what they are investing in. Investing in the stock market, which is allowed by nearly all Islamic scholars as far as I know(providing the company is compliant with Islamic law), is also akin to gambling if someone randomly buys a stock hoping to get rich. However, if a professional analyst studies the underlying indicators of companies and invests in a balanced spread, this is very different than blind investment.

The stock market is essentially a joint venture. Cryptocurrencies/blockchains are also like a joint venture, which is a quintessentially Islamic form of business. It is a well known principle in the cryptocurrency community that the value of a cryptocurrency is to some extent a reflection of the developer community behind it. When someone purchases a cryptocurrency, they are supporting the increase in market price of that currency, which empowers the developers who are working on it.

This is very different than pure speculation on something like wheat futures contracts, because in the case of a classic futures contract you are simply betting on an event in the future. When you invest in a cryptocurrency, you are becoming part of the community that develops something with real utility. Cryptocurrencies are used to transfer and store not only monetary value, but also information in the form of contracts, and to increase the efficiency of various business practices. This is a HUGE difference between cryptocurrency and gambling, and this alone should mean they cannot be considered to be the same thing, but there’s more.

When investing in cryptocurrency, there is a very real chance that everyone involved will win. With gambling, someone is going to lose. For example, if I agree to buy 100 kilograms of wheat Farmer Yahya in one month for $50 dollars, if the price is $60 dollars I win. If the price is $40 dollars, I lose. There is no scenario where both I and Farmer Yahya win. This kind of practice is not allowed in Islam.

However, with a cryptocurrency, there is the real possibility that I purchase the cryptocurrency, which leads to its value increasing. The people developing that cryptocurrency therefor have more money to put into its development by selling off some of their shares, and they use it to develop an App that makes it easier for people to buy and sell property, resulting in big savings for real estate agents. When people realize that it can be used for this, more people buy it to support the value, because they know demand for the currency will increase, causing its price to increase.

So yes, the value is highly speculative, but since that speculation is based on real future potential and since the possibility exists for everyone to win, it is quite a bit different than gambling.

4. “It is anonymous so it can be used for crime or terrorist financing.”

Well then, we should switch a centralized system in which everyone has a bank account controlled by the government, and cash and gold are illegal. Gold can likewise be transferred anonymously simply by using a mask, so do we want to try to outlaw gold, although it is sunnah to use gold as currency?

A principle in Islam is that “There is no obedience in unlawful matters.” This means that we are not required to obey rulers if they command us to do something that is against the teachings of Allah and his Messenger, sal Allahu alaihi wasalam. Since most of the governments in power today are not ruling in line with Islamic law, it is not permissible to give governments complete control over our money- rather we should support them in the good that they do, and advise them against whatever evil they do and refrain from supporting it.

5. “It is too risky, and will cause people to lose money”

This is a valid point, and some of the Islamic scholars who allowed bitcoin specified that it was allowed on the condition that the person investing understood the risks involved. A common statement in the cryptocurrency community is “Invest only what you can afford to lose.”

The purpose of Islamic law is to protect people, and guide them towards what is beneficial and away from what is harmful. Investing excessively in risky ventures could lead to very bad outcomes, so it is necessary to exercize caution. However, if a person understands what they are getting into and can afford to lose their investment in the event that it doesn’t work out, what is the problem in this?

Likewise, if someone invests in a difficult ocean voyage, knowing full well that the ship could sink and all of the merchandise lost, it would not be wise to invest so much that their family would be left destitute in the event of such an accident. Does this mean that ocean voyages are haram? Obviously not.

6. “It is like a pyramid scheme”

Cryptocurrencies have some properties of pyramid schemes. The people who get in first tend to make a lot more money than those who get in later. However, the pyramid scheme has an important difference, in that each person further down the ladder has to pay the person above.

In a cryptocurrency you buy something, like bitcoin, that has real uses, and you are never required to pay anything to the people who are already invested in the pyramid scheme. The increases in value are proportional to the number of people using it, which is actually the same reasons that the US dollar or even gold have value as a means of exchange.

7. “It’s like a ponzi scheme.”

A ponzi scheme is a scam in which someone offers big returns on an investment, and then pays those returns to the first investors using funds gained from the later investors.

The problem with this is that with a Ponzi scheme, the person or people running it are not actually doing what they say they are doing, for example, using some innovative trading strategy to earn big returns for investors. Dishonesty is a basic part of it.

By contrast, most blockchains are completely transparent, from the code underlying them, to the communications of the developers building them, and they give rise to applications that can be used for real things, like transferring money internationally, accounting, maintaining credit records, creating certificates of authenticity, loyalty programs, storing data, legal services like escrow, and much, much more. The value may be volatile and speculative, but this is because no one knows exactly how much can be done with blockchains, and how the future is going to play out.

The simple fact is that bitcoin, blockchains, and cryptocurrencies are going to change the ruling structure of the world. People whose position depends on this structure do not want to see this change. Blockchains can be used, like any internet technology, for purposes that are accaptable according to Islamic law, or for purposes that are unacceptable. It is up to the people using blockchains to learn the difference between right and wrong and to act accordingly, and it is up to Islamic scholars to gain a better understanding of the financial system to be able to guide those who are less well versed in the Islamic sciences towards ways of utilizing blockchain and any technology for the benefit of Muslims and all humanity.

Many Muslim societies assume that bitcoin is haram. I am Muslim and I do not forbid bitcoin. Why? Because I did not find anything haram from bitcoin.
Bitcoin is not haram but bitcoin can be haram like real money when used for various unlawful acts like gambling and fraud. Two things are clearly prohibited in the religion of Islam because one party is harmed by the act. Bitcoin that has been circulating is the result of mining and if bitcoin is said to be forbidden then gold mining, oil, copper, and others are also said to be haram, whereas the mining process is the same, the only difference between the two is if gold mining destroys natural ecosystem while bitcoin mining will not damage the natural ecosystem.