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The end of the line for ETH and DAO, another scamcoins dying.

Long life to BITCOIN AND LITECOIN, the only real cryptos, the rest are only trash coins like Ethereum, DAO and other pre-mined pump and dump trashcoins

http://uk.businessinsider.com/dao-hacked-ethereum-crashing-in-value-tens-of-millions-allegedly-stolen-2016-6 AND https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/06/17/critical-update-re-dao-vulnerability/

Yes yes, Ethereum is better than Bitcoin

Ethereum is better than Litecoin

bla bla bla

How a pre-mined scamcoin piramid scheme PUMP AND DUMP can be better than Bitcoin and Litecoin ??

Guys, I will repeat

There are only 2 "REAL" crypto in the world -> BITCOIN and LITECOIN

The rest are just pump and dump scam coins to make some whales rich fast like a rain

hahahahhahahahah R.I.P for everyone

I'm enjoying my 4,000 (and buying moar) Litecoin

See you all when litecoin @ $100 each

BTC and LTC might not be feature rich but at least they have never been hacked lol 8)

For those that are trying to defend these actions, you are wrong. Read this transcript (http://pastebin.com/aMKwQcHR). They're making a huge mistake with coin control:
They're even trying to compare this situation with the one with Bitcoin back in 2013. This is not even remotely similar. Bitcoin has never taken away anyone's coins, regardless of whether they're stolen or not. Bitcoin is immutable, ETH obviously isn't.

The Ethereum community will decide in the next few days if they want to take back the money stolen by sombody.

Regardless what happens, NO ONE will ever buy ETH again.

if ETH somehow stays a float, it is because of artificial manipulation and because of thousands of PATHETIC BAGHOLDING SCAM PROMOTERS who can't get rid off their scammy coins and just decide to hold their premined SCAM TOKENS.

ETH IS DONE.

It has lost all its legitimacy! LOL!

Also funny: Coinbase and Gemini look like FUCKING RETARDS for choosing ETH scam premined coin over LEGITIMATE LTC CURRENCY!

LOL.

Whoemever is CEO of Coinbase: RETARD.

In other words, you're deciding whether ETH can be centrally controlled or not and whether it is immutable or not. If this money gets taken back, then ETH is neither decentralized nor immutable. Smart contracts should depend on their code only, not on their "ETH overlords" to save them once that code is broken.

Erm you might want to check what happened in 2010.

Finding some historical problem with Bitcoin does not even compare.. ever.
Ethereum is not even a currency so the comparison is just bloody stupid.

And i agree with the LTC Chicken guy and Lauda of course etc LOL

ESPECIALLY the part about Coinbase !

Don't forget people who out there had the welcomes mast rolled out for these scammy ICO's  >:(

About that Coinbase and Gemini situation. Exchanges are a business, they pick what they think is promising coin and try to capitalize and profit from it.
Litecoin was introduced in 2011 and since that time it didn't manage to earn much recognition beside being  faster clone of BTC.

Ethereum is only year old and it managed to overshadow every other altcoin with its interesting concepts, smart contracts and clear origin.

From business point of view it is natural that exchanges will add ETH over Litecoin, it makes more sense...

Agree +100

The ony real crypto are only BITCOIN and LITECOIN.
During years several cryptos were promoted as the "new" bitcoin. ALL FAILED!

Long life bitcoin!

Can you do anything to ask the Bitcoin Core team to implement the 2MB block size as they promised in Hong Kong. The slow transaction confirmation is causing lots of problems and it is because the coding is centrally controlled by the Core team.

Adopting a coin into their exchange is one thing, making blog posts on how it is the "leading digital currency" and promoting it all around, is another.

The "Bitcoin Core team" has not promised anyone anything. The people present on that meeting were representing themselves. They've agreed to deliver the code. This has nothing to do with Bitcoin Core itself (which is one of the many implementations of the current protocol).

1) The confirmations are 10 minutes on average as they have always been.
2) A 2 MB block size limit does not solve anything.
3) "Coding" is not centrally controlled by the "Core team".
4) There is no such thing as the "Core team".
5) This is not relevant to this topic.

It sucks to watch amid the general trouble, some are trying to implement advertising and profits. I am not competent in the technical side of  the coins, but someone would you explain, why the social idea of DAO is bad? Let us not forget that BTC occur not because not enough FIAT money, because people started to dislike the way FIAT money rule the world.

BULLSHIT !

BTC + LTC got where they are by real world adoption & organic growth.

The entire fucking ETH system from day 1 in 2014 has been a massive
manipulation effort going from submitted news stories to Coindesk back in 2014
with super hype advertising (with an Agenda by Coindesk)
To a massive coordinated hype campaign here on 'The Talk where we are super spammed
more than we had ever seen in crypto history to go along with the biggest Pump & Dump in history.
BY the leader who ADMITTED he dumped on the world to a support base made up entirely of PROFITEERS !

Your comment is a monumental colossal load of retard fucking bullshit !

It has the MarketCap it has now because of "Interesting Concepts" ?

BULL
MOTHER
FUCKING
SHIT
.

It was the massive vaporware shit coin ICO token grab bought up like mad by DEV's on launch day in 2014
WHO USED IT ALL IN 2016 to fuck with you all with HYPE and spamming and P&D's

Where the fuck were you in 2014 smart guy ?
I was watching these fuckers on the launch day in 2014.. where were you ?
What did you do between 2014 & 2016 while you were silent on Ethereum ?
Me i was warning you all !

And the hype, spam and P&D lured you idiots into buying them ..for profit.
NOT FOR "INTERESTING CONCEPTS"

Don't you dare blow smoke up our ass buddy !

CUT THE FUCKING CRAP ETHTard's !

All you guys ever do is spew idiotic retarded bullshit to smooth over you greedy manipulative ICO pyramid scheme !
You will all lie and attack and Troll and act like morons non stop to......

PROFIT !

..OFF of "interesting concepts"  ::)

(While some of us are here to support CRYPTO-CURRENCIES like Bitcoin or Litecoin)

You people make me fucking sick with your immoral corrupt deceitful greedy dipshit bullshit !
You're like a sick brain washed cult !

I read an interview with some victims of a Pyramid Scheme online a while back
and you all sound just like them..
I seen this person testify why they were suckered in harassed etc and then felt compelled to
lure in others.. with what THEY KNEW was decetful practices etc.
EXACTLY WHAT YOU mETH heads have been doing !

Do your home work ETH scam pushers.. Seriously get off your mouthy ass
and go online and look up.. "PYRAMID SCHEME"
Seriously fucking DO IT !
GET OFF YOUR ASS AND GO AND DO IT !

..or STFU with your moronic scammy ICO bullshit !

Take some money out of your pocket..

Now tell me.. can the DAO replace that ?

/i rest my case .

To be perfectly frank. I agree with you. I stated many times that I support only one coin - and it is Bitcoin. Other altcoins have a little significance for me, if any.
What I presented about ETH is general public opinion - prior this whole hacking mess we are witnessing now.

I was never a supporter of ETH and was suspicious of their sudden rise to power, it was coordinated overype inducing campaigns which caused this state.
If you thought I am endorsing support of ETH by exchanges - I am not, but I fully understand why they accepted it without questions - business is business after all.

Ok..
And i agree Business is.. Vulgar and corrupt (as usual)

People seem to forget ALL these centralized exchanges exist to PROFIT.
They may masquerade around Crypto as Crypto Supporters
..but ALL their behaviors say otherwise.

THEY ALL add coins they should not.. for profit.
THEN run around saying they are fine upstanding supporters of crypto.

BULL SHIT !

ETH LISK DAO WAVE  - these is all shit scam coin!!!!!!!

Spoken like a truth-telling mother fucker !!!

ETH --> SHIT SCAM COIN
LISK --> SHIT SCAM COIN
DAO --> SHIT SCAM COIN
WAVE --> SHIT SCMA COIN

I dont even care if they are technically not coins like BTC and LTC are. STILL SCAMMY SHIT COINS.

I care if they are a coin or not because of *INTENT*
These ICO's are are unfair launches.. and invalid because you need REAL money to buy them.
Hence a Pyramid Scheme !

These mass cloners that have been here honing their shit coin skills
simply needed a new way to lure greedy idiot investard brats looking for profit.

They needed a new gimmick..

Alternate use Block-Chains were born.. with a side of scammy-ass "Crowd Funding"

..made by the usual suspects.

Need + Intent = Crypto-Currency.

ICO + Scheme = greedy fuckhead retard profits.

All these ICO's are "Scheme Coins" ..NOT A CURRENCY !

They serve no NEED ..their only existence is to swap around for real money. $$$

Amen

WTF crying babies from Ethereum are saying here?

Ethereum is a PRE-MINED (is not pre-mined? Am I Crazy???) scam coin, used by some whales to make fast money with PUMP AND DUMP episodes

Everyone know that

ETHereum ballsuckers thinks everyone are crazy or jerks, or need to use glasses???

Ethereum -> ScamCoin
Lisk -> Jesus, What a pure ScamCoin of hell
DAO -> hahahahhaha pathetic, I will stay in silence

If you guys pay attention, 2016 is the year of scam coins, it's impressive

And the newbies of cryptos are saying "amem" for these trash coins, can you believe? hahahahhahaha

The only 2 cryptos are -> BITCOIN and LITECOIN

The rest are the rest, pure scam coins made to pump and dump and make some whales rich and some idiots poor

Like I said, I will stay holding my 4000 litecoins, I will sell my LTC to you ETHlosers when It reaches $100~150+ dollars


Sorry guys for my bad english

And buy Ethereum, It will replace Bitcoin and it's 10000x better than litecoin (litecoin is a pure trash pre-mined scam coin, don't buy litecoin guys, it's a pure scam, ETH is not a scam, it's a reliable and honest coin)

hahahahahahhahahaha

What that fork that lasted for a couple of hours then was fixed? That was due to underlying errors in the code not due to code exploits like with ether. Besides satoshi never ordered exchanges to stop trading.

Anyways, that was a protocol level issue which the developers designed not happen.

I never liked ether, working with a coin with an endless inflation is a scheduled disaster. But a surprise bomb I did not expect, now became a joke.

the ethereum comedy http://intheoreum.org/

I noticed this on CoinDesk today:
http://www.coindesk.com/dao-attack-good-thing-ethereum/

They REALLY are behind ETH. House of cards is falling ...

The old Ethereum will be dead after the fork (soft or hard). The new Ethereum will be born. I will support the new Ethereum.

I will support the new Ethereum too.

I think the Ethereum community should show the intolerance to the theft. I will support the actions to get our money back.

LOL!

If hardfork happens, ethereum, new or old, will be USELESS, WORTHLESS.

If you lost money, GO CRY SOMEWHERE ELSE. Nobody cares.

Shouldnt have been so STUPID to invest in a scammy, premine, spam, ipo coin in first place.

You invested in scam, premine, ipo, spam-advertised coin and now you cry like a LOSER (with tiny penis) because it turned out to be USELESS investment? LOL!

I would like to point out Ethereum wasn't hacked. The DAO had an exploit in it's smart contract  which was on ethereums blockchain, was which is like the counterparty for bitcoin in case you didn't  know...so all these people boasting about ethereum death don't know shit lol it's like saying bitcoin failed because a counterparty had a huge hack, because they share a blockchain...btw you guys make Btc look bad. I'll  say it like I said about lisk  if you are SOOOO much better than ethereum get their cock out of you flapper. I support all of crypto

That is a theft by exploiting the loophole. It is not the intent of the counterparty to give away the money like that.

No. That's a very bad analogy and read the thread. People are saying that "ETH failed" because their plan is to rollback the chain. This destroys decentralization, immutability and censorship resistance. Bitcoin has never and will never (or it is dead) control coins regardless of whether they're stolen or not. We certainly do not "make BTC look bad".

Supporting 99% of the scams? Good perspective. ::)

He doesn't know what he's talking about.

Eth should have died a long time ago.

that is just a fud. You may say the Etheruem and the DAO are seized by the miners. Miners will determine the outcome.

Whether the miners decide or more realistically the miners are heavily pushed by developers to make a decision doesn't remove the basic objection and point of the image. The Ethereum foundation is releasing blacklisting code and encouraging the miners to adopt it. The bottom line is a very dangerous precedent is being set by both the miners and developers that is going to undermine the credibility of the whole Ethereum blockchain.

I have mixed feelings about this course of action. In one sense I feel bad that so many will lose their investments due to these reckless actions thus reasons why I warn about the HF. In another sense I encourage the HF and blacklisting because the sooner we can truthfully discredit Ethereum the better because it is beyond repairable and represents a insecure clusterfuck.

http://vessenes.com/ethereum-contracts-are-going-to-be-candy-for-hackers/

http://hackingdistributed.com/2016/06/16/scanning-live-ethereum-contracts-for-bugs/

Lol litecoin is shit. Has been for years. Bitcoin is living off its high-self. Its been so bastardized by centralized mining its only a matter of time before it fails. Fools forget that now all bitcoin mining is in the hands of like 10 groups of large mining farms. These farms rule bitcoin. So i'm confused how you think its not vulnerable. It will fail. Its a mathematical fact.

Ethereum put mining power back into the hands of the people. The way it should be. Until litecoin and bitcoin both migrate back towards de-centralized mining. I will not deal with them. It looks as tho eth will bounce back, even DAO has come up a small margin. You think people wont buy DAO when its the absolute lowest its even been lmao. They call that a buyers market.


To the fool who said if we return the money claiming of ETH overlord magic. Do you know how majority rule works? Majority of eth holders would like their coin back. Which overrules the handful of hackers who broke the laws of E-currency.

R.I.P. Butalik. Checkmate:

Lol litecoin is also a shitcoin. The dumb creator doesn't even understand private keys https://www.reddit.com/r/litecoin/comments/4mbcvn/coinographic_theft/

You trust this shitcoin clown?

ETH drama is amazing. Finally bye bye eth

It might last longer than you think. The price is $12 now. It rose from $10 and it is still rising. It is amazing.

C1.

Even DAO is climbing again. Dropped down to .01, then to .06, now its back to .08. These ignorants are missing out on the largest buyers market in altcoin history. Salty ass kidz.

ETH is made only to make money, ETH is a money maker scam

Just created to some whales make tons of money, easy and fast

Everyone knows

ETH is a pure PRE-MINED PONZI SCHEME PYRAMID PUMP AND DUMP ScamCoin

Now It's hacked, It's doomed to fail

The only 2 cryptos -> BTC and LTC

The rest are pure trash like ETH is...

Not amazing my friend, ETH is made for fast profit only, there are some whales in, and the whales wants the price pumping and dumping to make tons of money like they are doing since this trashcoin born

ETH hacked, DAO hacked? serious? accident or purposely to make the prices go down, whales buy cheap and then pump the prices again.......

I seem to recall fontos doing the same thing to LTC 4 years ago. But you probably weren't even in the game then. Prove more of your ignorange. Please lmao.

I think the whales are still in. The price of ethereum is rising again. They might want to pump the price to make more profit.

The Ethereum is not rest in peace yet. Its price is multi day high. It still has a strong community and people support it.

Yep. We are driving the price up. Not whales lmao. Where the trolls at now that we're back to where we were? Litecoin his this price once. And it was thanks to bitcoin as it simply tagged along during its gold price peak. This is completely detached from BTC and that's why its so amazing.

Who are the big whales behind the Etheruem? These guys are very rich. They got so much funds to invest.

how is lee not understanding the basic of a private key? i think you arer being wrong there, he made a great effort with litecoin and the scaling issue, i read somewhere that the maximum capacity allowed without give up to decentralization is 32MB, he also said something about LN which is not that ideal as a good solution for scalability, ihmo he is a good dev

I think you are right. That could just be a misunderstanding by the readers. Lee is the creator of the litecoin.

MOOONEROOOOO

ignore it till you understand the tech :p

Charlie understands how private keys work, except it's that he bought some physical coins for his coworkers at Coinbase. Not all of Coinbase is made up of software engineers, so some folks did loose some money as they put money on the private key that came with the coin instead of putting a new private key on the coins. This is just BS.

Do you think both the ETC or ETH of the Ethereum will die or just one version of the Ethereum will die?

both could possibly have uses.

the forked one will appeal to regular people who are used to clawbacks and reversible transactions. ie mundanes who depend on babysitters to control their lives.

the classic unforked version has the support of purists who like it for making a stand for the immutability of real blockchains.

i have a bit of both. if one or both tank, oh well. if one or both continue/take off, well good for me.

very true. litecoin holder for 3 years. I just let it sit in a wallet for the future

It is possible that both versions of the Ethereum will die. Maybe Expanse and Soil will be more valuable.

It seems the Etherreum will not rest in peace soon. The trading volume is 150,000 bitcoins. That is more than the bitcoin.

That is because the bitcoin is big trouble at the moment. One big exchange lsot 120k bitcoins due to hack.

The Bitfinex exchange lost 119k bitcoins. It has reported to law enforcement. I wonder how the police will respond.

There is a thread about it and it was claimed the Hong Kong police did not know about the hacking at all.

ETH is absolute trash, with Vitalik Buterin as a leader acting as a central banker by trying to stop exchanges from trading ETH and DAO during the attack to avoid people from panic freely selling, and rusing a hard fork that has been a disaster. He needs to be fired and the project refunded if there is any chance of it from surviving long term. Oh wait this actually exists and it's called ETC.

EthDev's moved out 500k ETC

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4wovy2/ethdevs_moved_out_500k_etc/?st=irlt49tg&sh=2aae48a3

But there is no evidence that the 500 k ETC is being sold. The trading volume of the ETC is not so high now.

Everyone must say shotcoin and scam so easily bit why ? I read what u say it is only opinion have your proof for this claim ? Did ypu buy the ETH and the DOA ? You didn't make the money you want or what is it ?

as usual, vitalik manipulating the market.
by simple moving, he caused a panic sell.

I remember when Vitalik out of nowhere decides to sell 25% of his ETH holdings. Then he tries to stop exchanges. Then he makes this half assed hard fork with bugs like replay attack.. he has made so many mistakes and the members of the ETH cult still love him.

That's the part I don't understand... whenever a decision is made with Bitcoin this process takes months if not years (because one variable can affect another variable). Same with Litecoin.. if something is suggested Charlie looks at it and looks at Bitcoin updates then spends a ton of time mulling it all over (and makes a change ONLY if necessary). Game theory is VERY important along with avoiding bugs/exploits... etc etc.

This is REAL money we are talking about it and not some silly toy.

BUT, Ethereum has a bump in the road and Vitalik makes a SUPER critical decision in like a week then pushed for it's implementation in under a month.

Like seriously? WTF. That really pisses me off because Ether isn't just some toy or his fucking sandbox. There is cause and effect... action and reaction.

Now we have a split community and hostility on both sides when we were one big happy family.

These decisions also go against the crypto community fundamentals. Don't get me started on that!

Don't have any ethereum but have a question

What happens if ETH classic stays POW and the other ethereum fork goes POS.....would not everyone just switch (miners) to eth classic and do better anyway?
with all them miner cheerleaders for eth classic at that point..would not the momentum completely swing to eth classic?

not trying to be an ass but kinda just looking at this (oddly probably) from the sidelines..what am I missing?

If the ETC stays the PoW, it will have much stronger support from the mining community, and it is safer.

I doubt ETH will die, maybe get delisted from some exchanges but highly doubt the price will plummit.

Not trying to defend Ethereum, I don't and have never held any.
Just a gut feeling.

Eth days are over. Eth is 5th now on polo in terms of volume. ETC is better, and off course, XMR dominates now.

Finally the coin is dead and reborn twice and dead again. There's only 3 crypto-currency in this world. Don't forget Dogecoin too!

in fact ethereum price still high ::)

^^Right!?

I personally don't have any eth or plan to in the future.

But it looks solid from where I'm sitting.

as long as its profitable mining it, im perfectly ok with it surviving. other than that: No Opinion.

have changed my plan on it a bit now, used to keep a quarter of what i mined, now i sell all of it.

For the miners, It is OK when we have somoething to mine and mine profitably. That is reason that many people mine the ETC.

Really expected litecoin come to 100$ and bitcoin 1000$

until now ethreum its no problem is good coin
good community good volume transaction is equal and same litecoin is rank value, only under bitcoin

The price whether high or low has nothing to do with being a dead coin.

There is still trading volume though, doesn't that factor in?

Yeah alive and kicking, the price is going up with a lot of volume.

There are many scam coins in the past. The initial volume was high, then it became lower and lower. The coin got delisted and died.

Don't have any ethereum...of any flavor...but heard something about that the 'hacker' on August 29th will be able to 'cash out' his ETH Classic flavor?

what is up with that briefly (details please)

(off to get popcorn and a soda to read replies) :)

what was mtgox?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mtgox#

dao is scam and dead, will be delisted from poloniex, while ethereum is still legit, and not dead.

Seriously?

Woa.. if that doesn't negatively affect the price I don't know what will. (Glad I don't own any)

Where did you read this?

It seems the hacker has not cashed out his ETC yet. Although he might have already made profits by shorting ETC or ETH.

Maybe they will dump ETC in the future when the price is high, so ETC price is like a time bomb. Whales won't pump it.

Why are people always quick to conclusion that a coin is dead. Today I've read on Poloniex troll that Bitcoin is dead, Price or no price the most important thing for any of these tokens is to have a real world use, once that is satisfied, a value will be attached to it, the valuation now depends on the market, Bitcoin was once valued at over $1000 pump or no pump if someone is willing to pay the price that is the market value but now it is $600+. To me Ethereum is still alive and will be for some time though I despite the actions  shown by the developers just to  protect their own investment. I will always respect Satoshi for his selfless service and special gift He gave to mankind

eth momentum is gone. more advanced crypto will come in 2017.
that's for sure.

Are you sure about that ?

1 Bitcoin
2 Gulden
3 Digibyte

You all REALLY think ETH scam coin ICO tokens should be worth $11.71 usd ?
really ? Seriously ?

WOW !  :o
It should have been dead already.. at least as dead as it's going to get.

that's true, but also more advanced scams!
Watch out everybody!

-sf-

Advanced or more complicated & convoluted of a "Scheme" to tack an ICO "coin" onto ?
..for profits on another sketchy centralized exchange.


The rise of making money from confusing NOOBS with tech jargon is just getting started LOL
Leik shit son did ya see that damn white paper yo ?
Liek holy snapalapples it got sumz serious ROI protententialz yo !
I am byuyin all dem ICO'z coinz bruh !
Shitz gonna be big yo !
Hdol in fer da long haulsz bruh

Yep, because market, corporations and developers care about what failed btctalk trolls think. And again, this post is too good to be missed so i shall quote myself.
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Actually they care about pulling in sick amounts of cash for them to spend on crack & hookers.
Such as the BlockNET scammer douche bags who snagged a quick cool Million in cash.
"to ensure it's a success"
Then they couldn't even keep the hosting paid a year later..
And had done NOTHING in 1 year.
..you know.. the POINT of the ICO ?

And what did they cry way back ? Smear campaign ?

mining1 your an idiot spewing bullshit to smooth over greedy scamming.
trying anyway LOL

Actually they care about pulling in sick amounts of cash for them to spend on crack & hookers.
Such as the BlockNET scammer douche bags who snagged a quick cool Million in cash.
"to ensure it's a success"
Then they couldn't even keep the hosting paid a year later..
And had done NOTHING in 1 year.
..you know.. the POINT of the ICO ?

And what did they cry way back ? Smear campaign ?

mining1 your an idiot spewing bullshit to smooth over greedy scamming.
trying anyway LOL
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pretty much this :)

Why am i missing NAMECOIN here ? ;)

DAO was a legal scamm made coin! we all lost!

Did you lose. I think all the DAO holders get back the Ethereum they invested originally in the past few weeks.

Yes everyone was refunded so ignore the troll. Weirdly I also ended up with a big bag of ETC Criminal Coin, which was swiftly dumped as I refuse to support criminal enterprises.

You could have made a good decision. The trading volume of the ETC has reduced a lot in the past month.

Because Namecoin didn't solve the name-squatting problem,
and therefor I consider it a failed experiment.

-sf-

It was gonna happen, becuase all the alt coins being created the basic motto is that its not actually competing with btc. The main aim is for the owners to get the coins sell out and min money and finally exit the market and los is taken by invest who invest in alt coins holding it.

Dumbest post of the day probably.

DAO is pure inside SCAM hack...i lost over 60BTC! fuckers!

YES i recover in another coin i buy for 0.004 btc and now its approx 0.009 and sometimes even 0.009!

Care to explain how?

becouse of organize hack from dao guys... i buy  eth and get dao for 150btc..when i sale it i got out only 91 btc....
but bigest problem as alwas when i buy btc for eth btc was 440$ later was i think around 600-650$....
its all part of games they organize!

Did Vitalok abandon ETH yet?  Is it still around?  People wake up to the scam yet?

You make it sound like LTC and BTC are our children. I bet you lost a ton trading them thats why the sour attitude. 1st rule of investing: Dont get emotional about it!

Lies. Anyone who bought DAO was refunded at the rate they bought. You Sir are an affront to decency and civility. What a despicable disgusting character you are.

I'm glad someone bumped this old thread,
just to see someone talking about how LTC was going to reach $100 a coin.

Are you asking a question? Because the answer appears to be in the link you directly posted.

Ya forks are the norm now.. no one even pays attention.. it's rebranded to "Fork Coin"

Me, i still call it an ICO scam.. no matter how much your fucking douche bags brag about yur ROI'z.

Just because some fucking scammy ass bullshit gets popular 100% because of a shady pump & dump and you all profit off it does not make the shitty ass faggy scam coin legit.

PS:
Minecache is a fucking Fraud (as voted by the community)
So scam coin aficionado ponzi-SIG fraud boy when does ETH go to $100 a coin again ? 12 months ?
And what was that bullshit about Microsoft, IBM and Big Banks ?  ;D

CLOWN  :D

PPS:
Yeah i did outline in detail how you can all see for yourself that yes indeed this scam coin is effectively dead.
Don't believe it ? Want to sign up to be a long term sad ass pathetic loser bag-holder ?
Then go hard Investards.. let me know how that works out for ya.

Welcome to the semen soaked jizzcicle world of shitcoinery.
Where you too for the price of some Fiat -> Bitcoin -> Shitcoins can be a bloody Baggy too.

HODL FUCKTARDS HODL WITH ALL YUR MIGHTZ !!!!!
DEM ROI'Z ARE JUST AROUND DEM CORNERZ !!!
MOAAAAR CHEEP COINS !!!! nom nom nom nom NOPM NOOOOOOOOM NOOOOOOOOM

doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooouche baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaags  :D

GIT YUR ROI ON INVESTARDZ BUY TEH ETHEREUMZ !!1111

You sir, you deserve a cold beer.

well said.

I put it to you that you knew full well that ETH forked successfully and are attempting a rather weak troll shitpost.

PS. Gud to see the Spoetniktard back and on usual troll form.

Every time someone says ETH is dead and suddenly we see the price goes back to $12 or more, looks like the market doesn't care much about these kind of fuds.

It's the same as Bitcoin. It's been dead over 100 times now. Someone should count up how many times ETH has been announced dead.

ETC is a good buy... ETH is scam though.

I was not too interested in the ETH moreover must hold a funny and strange news about the title

Bitcoin Vs ETH

I think more to hold bitcoin because I have never seen Satoshi that are not visible and distinct unlike ETH developer :)

Not on edge just tired of the same old ETH troll shitpostage. I'm glad you like ETH as here's more big business news jumping on the ETH gud times: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/deloitte-becomes-third-gold-sponsor-ethercamp-hackathon-1593105

howsthat ETC CRIMINAL COIN working out for you? Last I heard it's now sub $O.8O

Here's a gold medal to OP for shallow babbling of cryptocurrency baby. Congratz!

Ok well, lets see how well the adoption rate (as a currency) has been going for ETH.
Oh.. not so good huh ?

Alrighty then lets see how well it's been doing as an APP's platform..
Ohhh cringe worthy.. not so good.

Ok well lets see how well it's been doing for dem profitz on centralized exchanges.
Uh oh, we got a problem  :D

[D]enial.
That is what is going on here.

Reality check time Profiteers..
It's too late.
All you have talked about for one whole entire year on every topic is..
Profits & Prices and even that has died off.. AS I PREDICTED.

It's not a currency as the supporters kept mouthing me off saying way back.
It was never intended to be one and will never be adopted as one.
For a variety of reasons ..most importantly because of the technical break down "Roach" posted many times.
It by design can never replace Bitcoin etc.
It simply can't.

So whats left ?
The gimmick the scammy ICO tokens were tacked onto.. APP's / DAPP's / Smart Contracts (sic)
Which is a failure.
No one has ever posted one single topic or comment about the APP's
..only when they tried to feed me a list of them being made after i said above.
Because you all don't care and never did.. about the POINT to this scam coin ICO from 2014.

It is effectively dead.
The grandiose pump & dump is what lured in users and they wandered off long ago.

Calling me a Troll does not address the reality of the situation.
It does not change history or cause the coin to function in an alternate manner.
It is.. what it is.

A scammy failed ICO gimmick scam coin.. for profit.

The dev douche dumped for a small fortune and you been duped into buying his scam coins.
Want to double down with moar bag hodl'ing ? have at 'er kidiots... good luck with that.

As Fraudcache said about 6 or 7 months ago right after the DAO attacked / hack..
Ethereum the scam coin will be worth $100 per coin in 12 months.
So soon enough you will all be rich beyond your wildest dreams.. just take the word from a confirmed community voted fraud here and invest everything you got in the ICO scam coin "APPS" gimmick NOW !
Mortgage your house sell the shirt on your back.. hell sell your daughters virginity !
Just buy dem coinz now !!!

PS:
Microsoft / Big Banks and IBM are "Using" Ethereum.
Yup.. so you all better buy moar cheap coinz nom nom nom..

PPS:
Here is a shocker for ya all.. as much as i hate Monero etc.
At least they tried to target what they felt was a need.. a currency with anon features.
They did not sit there and think of alternative use cases for an ICO scam coin gimmick.
One was intended to be a currency and the other is not.

One was why i came to crypto in the first place.

I am bored with all those "rip" and "dead" threads...
why bother?

Now we all know you are trolling and making it up as you go along - the DAO attack was 5 months ago. But let not stop cold hard facts from getting in the way of your shitposts.

What we need to look at is,
what can you actually do with ETH at this point?
Its traded on exchanges, its even got integration on platforms like Coinbase, which was a huge deal, being able to convert back and forth to fiat.
There are apps like Augur in the works that are built on the ETH platform.

But what do you actually do with ETH? Can you pay for any goods/ services with it?
Since the answer seems to be no, comes the next question.
Is ETH actually worth almost $10?

Yeah you did say it.. no i couldn't recall when exactly.
Yes you side stepped addressing the countless claims YOU have made.
I will be holding you to them all Mr. "Big Banks are buying shitloads of Ethereum"

And Coinbase is scum.. i wouldn't go near that place.

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I couldn't care less what "bores" you NOOB.
Virtual Currencies are not here to entertain you.. they are here to be used as a currency.
Go grab some cereal and watch cartoons..

heh... if you don't care why answer?
No, crypto currencies are not entertaining me but you do ;-)
Cheers!

Haha classic.

Glad i got rid all my eth almost right time to buy more WBB :)

I may be very new to the scene, but I've already used ETH to pay for one service in September and October... and I requested to get paid in ETH for a service I provide (content creation). I haven't counted but I *have* seen a few merchants accepting ETH so just wanted to point that out. BTW I am not an ETH supporter, just a hobbyist/collector of crypto.

 

Although I am not a big fan of ethereum, I do not see the coin dying at least five years from now.
It has too huge a fan base and market volume for that to happen any time soon.

Is the Ethereum under attack again, the price has dropped to multi months low. Will there be another hard fork?

I have not read any rumors or bad news about eth recently.
That's why I suppose it's all some kind of panic reaction that happened the last hour.
And becaus of this I decided to buy a few eth half an hour ago.
The price is recovering already, so I made a little profit this way.

I think it would catch up because inspite of having big problems that being suffered by ETH on past years and months but still it stood strong until know. Even the price is somehow stable but it really indicated that this coins has the potential and i could not say that this is a scam coin just like other altcoin outthere. I do have high hopes on this coin and will surely rise up its value on the long run.

Long live RSK! If you don't know already ETH is forking by itself  ::)

Another day another ETH issue...shocking  ::) I think this coin should be priced around $1 per coin tops...

This drop is idiotic, people don't check the facts before they panic  ::)

ETH is doing the right things...

drain the swamp (remove empty accounts, makes blockchain smaller) to make ETH network great again

This drop is just like the Trump panic, market drops for a few hours...but in the days after, markets went up like mad...

ETH deserves to be $100, based on BTC market cap and ETH functionality, it is much undervalued. It is only the teething problems that cause it to be so cheap. U know, BTC had these too. ETH is now where BTC was 2012, always remember that.

You not seeing the issues with ETH? When in the last 6 months has this coin worked as it is supposed to? Currently the 2 main clients are 150 blocks off due to yet another bug in geth. Good luck pumping this coin that never works right.

It seems that ETH has a new saying: One fork a day keeps the investors away!

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Another unintentional fork, Parity and Geth split (https://twitter.com/ethcoreproject/status/801804556539666432). ::)

It's actually a strength of ETH that it has different flavours of clients so it's no biggie to patch and resolve while switched client. Oh and these issues happened to Bitcoin in 2013 and 2015 but you Spoetniktard trolls just wanna hate.

Nice try.. ETH is not Bitcoin and you need to stop comparing it to it.
I find that insulting and i am highly offended.

ETH is not a currency and BTC is.. so stop with that silly nonsense.

Further more..
I am not trolling because i already said i am pretty sure on this topic WHY i think it's dead.

Define "dead" people.

Me ? I see it as the lowest point it can get to realistically.
And since this ETH crap is a favorite of profiteers for profit..
That means it will always have a base set of users willing to buy cheap coins nom nom nom..
Hoping for another pump.

So technically it will drag on forever..
Most likely skidding along the bottom luring in users like Doge still does to this day.

It has nothing to do with Trolling Minecache.. it's about my analytical reasoning i posted on this topic.

The higher a coin gets pumped the more likely it will have users buying them no matter how dead or low in price it ever goes.

Why is obvious.

These shits are all scams, even if they're not premined.  Still you got to admire the tenacity of this here community.   I wouldn't drop a red cent into eth, but it'll probably be one of the few coins that'll exist in 10 years.  Can't say the same 'bout most of the others.

Just look at the price. Obviously this shitty coin with what, 4 forks is gonna die. Its trash. Its price is in the gutter. Just thought id stop by and bump the thread with this post. Time for people to know the truth.

I agree. ETH is honestly going away.  Stick to btc and ltc, unless you like flashy pump and dump scammy rollercoaster rides.

i agree, reality is so boring, at the moment 8.494 USD at btc-e is not low enough to stop mining

What could you do with BTC after 1 years inception? Oh yes, fuck all, that's what LOL

Brilliant, thanks for the laugh  :D

Yep, that is why it is not $100 worth, which it could given BTC market cap

But honestly it is alot more complex and these teething problems are completely normal. ETH compared to BTC is like flying to the moon compared to building the first airplanes

I think ETH foundation is working hard to fix things, I wish them luck.

ETH is just as much a currency as BTC or any other cryptocurrency. It just has a lot more functionality.

Cigarettes can be currency, and you can also smoke them.

Who defines what a currency is, you?

Missed the ETH boat, huh? Me too, but it does not make me a hater.  ;)

Why are there so many haters on this forum? That coin is dead, that coin is a scam, that coin is a shitcoin.  If all those types of threads were deleted, this forum would be half the size. And most of the time the accusations are unwarranted.

ETH is not dead.

Ethereum is not dead, just yet.
It will continue to increase and will make another comeback.
You will see. ;)

ETH is much overvalued, ETH released Microsoft azure news and the price made 10X, but now there are many oter coins listed on microsoft azure, they are not 10X, ETH was overhyped.

FUD was everywhere. Usually, A fans will hate about crypto B and otherwise B fans will hate about A crypto. I may think if that was making the crypto world was being so funny.

Ethereum ETh still good coin
until now ethereum still the best altcoin wit big volume transaction
don't say ethereum scam and dead only ethereum price is down
up and down only dynamic price in wold trading, if price flat without up and down, so can't trading

Reverse Psychology?

This really helped a lot making a free advertisement for Ethereum. I hope they are paying the OP a good price.

not dead yet

Yeah ltc man. Look at my text space. LTC 4 Evea dude. People dont realize that ltc is a sleeping giant.

LTC has pretty much no purpose at this point. At one point it did because it was basically like gold and silver. Not everyone could buy the gold since, at least when I got into it BTC was at around 950, so they bought the silver/LTC. But, after BTC dove in the markets for a while and took a while to spring back, LTC in the meantime became less like silver and more like nickel. LTC is no longer the only alternative and it holds no technological advancements over BTC or a lot of other experimental coins.

It could be said that like btc it will always be stable but after a while I think it will fall by the wayside as others make advancements in the crypto market.

Good. All premined coins deserve death.

Gonna have to agree with the Russian floating space can here. The coin is definitely "dead"


I don't think it will totally disappear but it will slowly die off like LTC did. I had LTC at almost $20 each and slowly watched it bleed out to where it is now. Luckily my LTC is now in the form of BTC :D

The Ethereum is still under good development. The developers are paid for their work, so it will not die soon.

Ethereum can no longer be called a decentralized network anymore after having four hard forks in less than a year. Even worse, when it switches to Proof-of-stake it shall become completely centralized, and all ethers will be penniless.

I will agree it was a total scamcoin but this total scamcoin made me and plenty of others many monies. Monies so high they reach the ski.

What are you suppose to "DO" with a currency smart ass ?

Take a wild fucking guess Fraud Boy ;)

PS:
El Oh El  ;D

The gold/silver analogy for BTC and LTC was always pretty stupid. Since Bitcoin can be bought fractionally you can acquire as much or as little as you want no need for a "cheaper" alternative.

Etherium, by contrast, is based on a completely different technology stack and can do smart programmable contracts that BTC and LTC can't. That makes it potentially more useful which has so far resulted in a stunning appreciation in value - it's now far and away the #2 coin in market capitalization. That's not to say we won't see periods of price depreciation, same has happened to BTC, but overall Etherium will have far more staying power than LTC since it solves a real problem that BTC can't.

Quite. Markets go down and up all the time. If you're an experienced investor this shouldn't be news to learn. ETH has great potential.

Except the glaring problem..
ETH "fuel tokens" are not as currency and were never designed to be and suffer from inherent problems.

I advise checking out the long winded explanation why from user Roach here.
He explained it far better than i ever could.

And that is how ETH survives.. in confusing and duping the naive users that do not know any better.

The concept of "App's" is a gimmick by the way is just a superficial point.
It's a thing on the surface.

This all has been explained to you all thousands of times by many older users here.
You push on with your fallacy because you are deceitful bag holders defrauding people of REAL money.

ETH's own supporters have long defended ETH saying it was not a currency.
Fuel Tokens were never intended to replace Bitcoin.
AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

THE REAL POINT !

NOT a gimmick that lays on the surface like a slimy greedy slick of deceitful bullshit.

Comparing the two directly is simply fucking retarded.

Further more..
It is a rigged ICO scam.
Exposed in 2014 long before 90% of you all even registered here to spout off stupid ETH defense bullshit.

Oh ETH is s currency and more you Spoetniktard as it is a medium of exchange. Doesn't matter how many times you want to deny and try to refute this fact with you sockies.

Eth is a conundrum. Why its still alive is a mystery. Masterful manipulation and deep pockets would be my best guess. You can't say its because of Eth's merits.

Shitty code, pre-mine, ico, hacks, and hard forks. You gotta love how Etc was hatched. Don't tell me "those in the know" didn't make a shitload on that scheme.

Any other project in this space would have been long dead with the kind of flaws Eth has presented.

Agreed Rocky and to respond to the fraud..

Just because you can trade ETH tokens does not mean it is a currency.
There is more to it than that..

Imagine a currency that evaporated or was designed to keep creating more.. but far too many.

What i am hinting at is ETH by design has issues when trying to say it can be used as a substitute for Bitcoin the CURRENCY.. as you proponents constantly suggest.

They are in fact chiefly "Fuel Tokens" ..not dollars $$$
Bitcoin was designed to be a currency and will not suffer from the same problems ETH will.

It would not matter how many accounts i used to say this.. the facts would still remain the same.
I am talking about how it works and what it does.. a tangible and quantifiable thing.

Socks ? where ? I am the only one who said what i said.
So explain to us all how anyone else is copying what i am posting Fraudcache.
Do you see why you have no credibility around here yet ?
It's one thing to fail miserably at defending Ethereum..
and it's another to simply lash out like a stupid child with silly diversionary games.

You don't HAVE to agree but i advise you stick to the truth.
Trying to make up lies about me to attempt to discredit me will only back fire on you.

And this point i brought up is just the tip of the ice berg when it comes to ETH's problems.
..as the previous poster just alluded to.

You keep chanting all kinds of stupid shit about this coin but the crowd left long ago.
There is no longer a giant massive flood of people here defending this ICO shitcoin "scheme coin"
I ran a pole and it cemented what i already knew.. users were willing to maybe trade the ICO "fuel tokens"
..for profit $$$
But 90% of them all did NOT "believe" in the project's intended purpose.

The crypto community spoke loud & clear on this ICO shit coin bullshit.
Do you expect the world to view it any different ?
I'd say no they will view it in a worse light simply because of the ICO part of it. (and the early shenanigans)

I would safely say it is effectively dead.
The ONLY thing that will revive it's popularity is MORE MANIPULATION.
And that does not seem to be possible anymore..

Lol you don't think that any other currency in the World lose coins and notes? No fiat currency in the World ever has its token destroyed either accidentally or not? The point of a currency is a medium of exchange between parties. It has been thus since the ancient Greeks. Now as the modern Geeks we have our cryptocurrencies, one of which has the functionality of a currency and more is ETH. Doesn't matter how many times you and your tard team of sick sockies want to pretend and fool others otherwise.

You are completely correct it isn't a currency in the traditional sense. But neither is any cryptocurrency. The only difference being that you fail to see what it actually is. It is a modern fuel source for a modern economy. Petrol isn't actual money but plenty of people will kill for it as it still fuels our whole society. If you created an electronic version of petrol, why would you make it finite. That is the exact reason why people kill for oil. The natural system is flawed. Nature is flawed. Why would you create something with the same flaws as before when you can upgrade and enhance? These are all tech companies, and I don't see why a tech company can't start out flawed and as it gets older and more mature its software becomes more mature. If I remember correctly installing any distro of Linux used to be mind numbing, and yet today Microsoft is a part of its foundation, tons of programs are maintained on it, and any person could install it with little effort.

exaclty, 100% correct and what I been tryin to explain to the idiots.  but as usual the scam shills and whale bots powering ETH just keep (kept?) the fake price up non stop all year...now it's dying and ppl will cry.

yet something solid like WBB and great dev and actual secure work with real-world shit coming soon gets overlooked!  ::)

I actually totally agree with you. The worst I have done so far is try to get some people to buy BTC... I like the idea that these guys have but I am not completely sold on their platform yet. www.cryptocentre.org

Site looks kinda trashy too. They are advertising a closed share sale on a mining and trading platform with 1% of the proceeds going back to whomever runs the show... 1% doesn't seem like a lot until you consider that they have sold almost 200k shares in 2 days... somehow... probably just another scam actually

well, i dont agree with the "shitty code" part, but i do agree with all the rest.
the fundamentals were dead long time ago and since then it was pure manipulation, especially after the hard fork. Hard to understand why would anyone still hold this garbage.

Ive never understood why some coins successfully hit the nerve while others fail.

I suspect this forum and its members swing towards the trend. Maybe thats why bitcoin was a success. No forums and no trends... just a great idea implemented as well as knowledge and technology would allow at the time.

The bitcoin blockchain successor isnt anothet blockchain. It will be a totally new idea.

Until then a succession of coins will come and go.
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The cryptocurrency scene is a little f*cked up. The good stuff goes unnoticed while the scammy stuff flourishes.

People don't care about crypto any more other than the hope of making a quick buck trading. All these coins come and go. Some supposedly  have the latest and greatest tech but do they have an actual use other than a trading commodity? NO.

Bitcoin still leads the way as a real currency by a long ways and it has not gained a lot of traction in the last couple years. There are several great contenders to btc that could easily rival and outdo it but they go nowhere.

Sadly, all we really see anymore is hyped up, scammy shit pumping&dumping. 

Its the worst time for it to die now too during the holidays. Lots of depressed fathers out there today.  :D
You know its going to come back even though its a scamcoin. Vitalik's here to stay and obviously after such a long uptrend a downtrend is warranted.
Let's just see where we're standing when the dust settles in 6-18 months from now.

The ETH fork was giving anything for the other coin's dev. That's why i think if ETH fork was being useful for other. But the other just look at that is so dirty.

Many of you are noobs.. you don't know how this stuff works.
Because you were not here..

You need to be able to recognize and define "Dead"
How ?
Look at history.. (before you got here clutching BTC ROI investard funds)

What has happened since ETH ?
Plenty.. Steem, Zcash, a boost with Monero.. etc.

It's about trends and profits.. ETH had it's day and it was because of manipulation and greedy hype.
The only way ETH will be brought back to life is if a magical millionaire pumps the fuck out of it long & hard.. like before.
And if that was going to happen it would have already.
We have seen their desperation since the old pump died off 1 year earlier.
If they could pump it they would have !
I think they spent their money.. such as when Butters admitted to dumping coins.. a million + worth.

Get a grip and see how it works kidiots.
If the greedy idiot crowd does not see profit potential they are not going to buy your god damn shitcoins.

How do you not see the fucking obvious ?

Or.. do you see it and are just being deceitful bag holders bullshiting about the reality of the situation because you are scared shitless and already drowning in debt from buying high priced scammy ICO coins ?
Ahh the old lure in more suckers to your ponzi to break even game.
Yeah.. a fucking wonderful "investor" position hahhahaha

Who is smart ?
I'd say Butters.. he has the million dollars in cash to prove it.. do YOU ?
AKA: he dumped his ICO scam coins for BTC or FIAT.. the real intended goal.

I have to say that Ethereum, although not dead yet, cannot be revived. As Spoetnik said, there are many altcoins that have done this. A big boost in price and then... A gradual decline in user interest and price, until it settles at something like 5-20% of its top value.

Litecoin, Dogecoin, Steem, ZCash, Monero, Bitshares... Literally every altcoin that has been ever created.

Don't know why you have so many negative trust warnings,
but I agree 100% with what you just said.

-sf-

My rating here is explained in my SIG link.

Also here is a way to look at it i just thought of...
A solid reason to perceive ETH is dead is because of that "Hacker Fork"

To me that seems a lot like a Casino banning you for counting cards.
Which is in fact playing the games by the rules laid out.

What happened to Etherium? newbie 😅

Ok, I got a few minutes.

Should be fun!  :D

-sf-

Many people said ETH was scam coin because of first hard fork and other hard fork, there is problem on ETH's network, it is centralization coin, ETH is like fiat money.
The developer of ETH and some people who has much money behinde it can do anything with this coin.
If you have made investment into it make sure you have done cut lost because the bagholders of ETH, they are have limited money for pumping the ETH's price.  ;D

Does it apply to ETC?

ETC is the same code as ETH has. so as far as code and how bad it is with all those bugs, then yeah it applies to ETC too.

and as for the manipulation and all the centralized whale stuff that are holding the majority of the coins, again it applies to ETC too because all the whales of ETH have the same coins on the hard forked chain too.

and as for the price and speculation goes, ETC is worse than ETH because not only it inherits all the bad features it also has the downside of being the fork and also there has been a couple of occasions that ethereum foundation was caught dumping massive amounts of ETC to push its price down and don't let it survivee.

ETH is far from being dead. Although it dip for a long time already, this gives investor longer time to decide to buy. Today is actually the best time to buy ETH now that its just 10$. it went $8 lately and people panic buy.

ETH will never die because behind this coin, a lots of big organizations invested into this coin and so the reduced price is in the short time due to BTC rising at the moment. It will return back at 10usd in next year.

looks likeETH is getting live again but long to synch

Which organisations?? How big?  Like my ass big or like your ass big? How big exactly?  Did those "organisations" ever look at the code? Maybe the everyday forking of this scamcoin tells something too...

Basiccaly Yes, at least on first hard fork been done, but right now ETC has new own developers who build the coin, maybe they can make more better ETC and without bagholder with large of money. :D
So ETC's price always be low and it is my chance for making profit in it,
On ETC with low capital i can trade and make money.
Actually i don't care about fundamental of ETC and ETH, it is just method for making prediction the price, the most important is when the time for make money on them.

Maybe they are controlled by pumper and dumpers.

i like this word ^{Like my ass big or like your ass big} , i think thats will be scamcoin next big organitation cant make your money secure

Stop spreading about FUD ETC shil. Spreading FUD was including on your fundamental analyze.  :P :P ::) ::)





I strongly agree with you, They can't do best than clone the coin.  :D

Almost all of the alt coins are pre mined and so is the case with Ethereum.There are several project released recently which uses the Ethereum technology and so i do expect the price would recover with time.

It seems the end has not come of the Ethereum woes, the forum hack news is another dent on the platform, the earlier the better they start getting things right before the coin become another use to be

Which forum hack?

Thanks for the long list of DAPPS you all use and love so much..
Much better than hearing forum noob accounts from 3rd world countries fire off pitiful retorts trying miserably to defend this dead ICO scam coin scheme.

I love the ETH defense retorts.. they always amuse my balls off  :D

It's like a half dozen specific negative points are brought up over & over...
And all the crypto-dregs of society pile in to try and own their first pair of shoes by...
barking DEEERPTY FUCKING DERP and then running into the damn wall head first over and over.

Like fuck, look at this recent gem.
Ok so ETH is good, why ?

Oh well.... "Most coins are heavily premined" the guy just said.

Uhhhhmmmmm what ? ROFL  :D

SOLD !

TAKE MY MONEY NOW !

PS:
@sadyas
Google it.. i just did and it explains all.  ;)

i use only bitcoin and not litecoin and other coins like eth or dogecoin
i hate them bcuz its only bitcoin that alive and many websites use them

It's just manipulation to get your Eth coins very cheap.

haha, nice one.
every day there is between 5% to 10% price drop in ethereum and if you look at the orderbooks on poloniex you can see the real manipulation by the major ETH holders where they are desperately putting up big buy walls to prevent crash but even that doesn't seem to be working

price is 0.008BTC by the time i am writing this.

They got 1000BTC worth of ETH yesterday though. probably enough for now? I can't be very positive about ETh with all this drama cosntantly popping up..

Can u be more specific?

If that was true i bet the price would have went up ..not down. (like it has been for quite a while)

ETH is an ICO scam and Butters should be in jail for fraud.
And the scammy scheme coin app's gimmick bullshit should be delisted.
Most importantly you greedy investards should learn a lesson here.

And jealous ? oh jeez that retort again ?  ::)

Yup.. caught me, i am s000 jeal0us of yur gud ROI'z !!111ONE  :D

ETH will pass what Ripple (XRP) in December 2014 reached a capitalization of 725 $ m and today is 229 $ m

ETH in June 2016 capitalization in 1500 $ m in 2018 will have between 250 $ m and 400 $ m

Maybe so, but as soon as something significant will be announced once all run to buy ETH and will be something resembling last February-March.

I am going to bump this post because I just saw in the Wall Observer thread that they noticed that someone just bought up a whole lot of litecoin. :-\

I wouldn't say Eth was dead but it is going to cycle wayyyy down to a credible price and I mean pennies.

ETH is not particularly dead, nor is it a scam because it was premined.

There is nothing wrong with a coin being pre-mined if the admin is using the pre-mine to build the project and take it to another level.

An example of a coin that has been pre-mined was ADZcoins but the admin has used that coin to develop his project, and build the community by giving away rewards and so on.

That is a crock of shit from a noob.
And we all discussed and debated Premines zillions of times years before you got here with your fresh new account.

You are a part of the new bread spreading your corrupt mantra.
Loiter around lowering the bar making poor excuses for ever increasingly worse behavior.

I could shred your comment a part any way i like.. 100 different ways.
But lets just point out how it's been brought up that Butters never did say how he got his hands on so many ETH coins.. million(s) of dollars worth.
Or WHY he dumped over a million worth before admitting to us all or what he even did with the cash money.

So your assertion is a load of bullshit.

All these guys did was launch a scammy crooked ICO then create a bunch of "Titles" for each other then paid each other large sums of free money.. printed by the ETH team.
Are you the official CEO of Gitthubbery or CTFO of Bitcointalk Spam ?

I could go on & on & on raping your retarded comment.

But let me end it with asking you two things..
1) Name the top 5 DAPPS you use daily.
2) Show us the link to the info showing EXACTLY where all the Premine money was spent.

Bitcoin was already dead three times. Now Ethereum is dead the first time. ;D

And.. the LAST time  :D

I love it 12 pages of noob accounts chanting "Bitcoin died before" over & over.  ::)

Oh get over yourself you Spoetniktard. People will repeat Bitcoin is dead because it is fact it's been repeatedly reported. The fact that ETH is going through the very same process of deniers is a positive sign.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." - Mahatma Gandhi.

Your hatred is welcome and no different.

Ya ya sure.. Bitcoin died  :D

You're full of shit ..no one ever did say that on a large scale or by reputable people.
Nor is that any type of defense for the fact Ethereum died.

Even if that was true.. so what.. ETH is not Bitcoin.
And i find it offensive you have the nerve to compare your scammy shitcoin to a real true currency.

@Fraudcache
Don't like my comment ?
Go sell some more ETC "Criminal coins" for profit as you said before.. then go start a DAO about it  ;D

- "Minecache = voted a fraud by Bitcointalk Altcoin section community" - Spoetnik / 2016

and yet another market cap argument about ethereum and a wrong conclusion based on false information.

market cap in altcoins is a worthless attribute. because altcoins don't have a real supply but it is all code and they can easily manipulate it by having a huge supply. in case of ethereum it surpassed all other market caps only because it had a very huge supply (available number of coins) and it is a very simple math you multiply a massive supply by any price and you get a rather big market cap.

in simple words I can create an altcoin with 10000000 billion coins and sell it for 1 satoshi and have a bigger market cap than any other crypto currency out there even bitcoin.

@Pursuer

True.
And the only ICO more scammy is Ripple so what a nasty vulgar retort LOL

I think what many users try to imply is real world usage from market cap values.
What they see in their minds is users.. when looking at market cap numbers.
And if that is what you see then you are a fool .

Use it as an indicator but don't put too much stock in them..

Eth is great project but too expensive coin!
Other coins coming that will offer more and run on eth platform! 👍🏼🏆

You didn't do anything to rape my comment, because the main point of my comment was that a coin is not a scam by default just because it was pre-mined.

I am not invested in ETH, but because it was pre-mined it does not make it a scam. And that was my point.

So what did you shred exactly?

And I would just like to add just because my account is new it is a fallacy to think you know more about crypto-currency than people with new accounts here; you're 'legendary' status means nothing in reality. Except that you must live in these forums... that is all it means.

Dead will not be or will be, but what will happen to Ripple will fall to a capitalization between 100 and 200 million dollars

I've been watching on ETH price but it continues to decline, maybe many people get rid off this coins from their investment.
But, I don't think ETH is a scam as it has been here for a year and it's seems good even though the price purely affected by demand on global trading, so it depends on how people want to have it.

I totally agree with you eth is not a scam, but its very expensive its price that is everything and BTC is the basis there is no other more

Ethereum is not dead, it is just a phase in the life of the platform, everybody involved with this project can be blamed for this drop in Ether price: the exchange for faking and pumping the price , developers for turning to celebrity, investors for greed and the media for telling half truth about the project.

Would be ETH a good investement or the price will go low dramatically?

You clicked on this topic title then said it's cheap because it's tanking.
So.. yeah you think that is a good investment ?
If you have to ask..  ::)

Is about to fall to the support of 0.005, then 0.0028, as BTC reaches 1500$, ETH could even fall more than 0.001

in the past few weeks each time i open my favorite exchange i see ETH has dropped about 5 to 10% and it happens almost everyday!

most of it is because of bitcoin price rise and investors pulling out their money but also it is only a small percentage drop because the manipulators are putting up huge buy walls which sometimes go as big as 700BTC but even they can not stop the drop!

Would just like to point out this thread started 6 months ago. And the coin still isn't dead and is showing no signs of dying lol.


Also bro if the coin fell 5-10% a day as you say, it would be dead in no more than 20 days. Stop talking. Its maybe 20-30% below where it was 6 months ago....

It's been dead all along.
Since the great pump ended a year ago.
I explained this many times on the previous pages.

It has nothing to do with coin prices on centralized exchanges or crooked manipulated market cap bullshit.

What has happened with ETH in the last year ? Drama central ! and massive price drops showing a decline in adoption.

The coin is not moving forward.
It has stagnated for a year doing nothing.

Plenty of coins out there are on exchanges still.. do you all call them "alive" or dead ?
And what criteria do you use to measure that ?

For example.. Doge Coin.
It died loooong ago.
But users have done what they always do with dead coins.. they buy them !
Hoping it gets pumped later.

In reality ANY coin at all can be the cheap coin at 0.00000001 SAT's on Poloniex with any NAME.
And yeah... profiteers would always still flock in to buy them.. FOREVER.

So nope.. your market price little retort is and always will be a FAIL (just like ETH)

The ICO scammy gimmick app's bullshit is a failure.. Ethereum is dead.

ETH is very gud investment right now. Get more as the price is now rising.

You are full of shit.. the price is dropping.
Don't take my word for it people just look at CoinMarketCap.

i never post here actually, but only read...
How can you say that its dropping when i made 10% over it since yesterday?

Today i swapped to ETC who I read is going to increase even more.... or drop, whatever.. dont have a crystal ball...
But everyone is speculating... right?

ETH, is not dead, but it has to go down to the real price that corresponds to it, I think it is comparable to RIPPLE even lower its valuation

Eth is best project but price too hight!

I agree with you, very high price, I will buy, if it falls to the price I want.

It looks like the market likes it to me! One mans scam coin is another mans to da moon coin. The market has the final say.

In other words you are a scammer.

At least this was better than say if the leo coin is cheaper than ether.  :P



Yeah totally right, totally a speculation.
ETC has turned his roadmap on the right street.
They will turn better than now.
I'm already in too.
Their market cap was increasing a lot.
Such an earmark there is more demand was coming.

I am still afraid it does not have proper development.

Ethereum died so long time ago. What did you expect when they hack DAO, fork ETH for no good reason, fork again just for the lulz, then POW is over and go to POS. Seriously what did you expect? ETH died and investors cried but scammer Vitalik kid still live his life very well.

ETH is not dead but the price is very high I continue to think, if this rise exceeds 0.015 would enter a bullish trend again, hopefully see what happens

Is behaving well we will see if it is more than a rebound


http://fs5.directupload.net/images/170104/yuzsosle.png

I totally agree with you, I see it very expensive

@DIX

Are you nuts ? LOL

I see a loooooooong massive spike into the dirt.

http://i66.tinypic.com/sc6ixh.jpg

I do not see massive increase, I do not understand, it will be time to buy?

ot there massive increase, we will see if it surpasses the 0.015 there we see, at the moment it continues in downward trend

If the price rises to 0.012 or higher, the downtrend is reversed.

Oh yeah ? Have a look at that last huge spike up.
HMMM seems to contradict what you just said huh ?  :D

Wishful thinking sweet-heart.. ETH is dead.

I am your alarm clock going off profiteers ;)

well ethereum is not dead yet, there are too many whales with endless pockets invested in it to die!
but it certainly is on the dying path. the traders mostly went out of it and there is only whales putting up walls and others dumping! and they can not make profit when others are leaving, and the would eventually give up and go to next project but it is a process that takes time while the make an exit strategy.

I did not get to get 0.015, it would drop to 0.005?

Very likely, time will tell us

Thanks for the graphic, we can clearly see ETH is going to ZERO. People who are still optimist only bagholders. They should realize this as soon as possible. :D

You are absolutely right but they are each free to do what they want, I would not buy an ETH at these prices

Meaningless FUD from the Spoetniktard with the trust level of a snake oil salesman. You could reproduce that chart over an extended period for BTC between 2014 - 2016.

Yeah keep killing every altcoin in this forum for free advertisements. Just making something to talk about specially their own coin. Something like reverse psychology.

Nope.. notice how the date matched up to the current date ?
Your defense fails for 2 key reasons.
1 is that you would be piece fitting a scenario by cherry picking the time frame for BTC.
2 is that Ethereum the ICO scam coin is not Bitcoin.
I told you i am offended when you compare the two.

You are free to compare Ethereum with any other Altcoin you wish.. just not Bitcoin.
Not on my watch bucko !  >:(

BTC was not launched to capitalize on a gimmick "APP's"
BTC was not an ICO.
So enough with the silly bullshit comparisons please.
..hey i said "please" assholes ;)

Ya .. that's right FUD FUD FUD !!! Fuck you ahahhaha

@BitcoinHodler
That seems like a fair and lucid assessment in my opinion.
Key point being what we each individually define as "Dead".

At least you must realize if your signature campaign has based on the ethereum platform. 

You must suggest them to migrate into the other platform. LOL    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

We will see this year 2017 if Ethereum will finally be entered into eternal peace or it can experience the resurrection it direly needs. Many people behind the coin are still hoping and working for the best and let's give them the benefits of the doubt. I am not investing in Eth though.

There are many people who have positive attitude towards ETH, even though graph is showing downwards but definitely there will be hike in price, right now only the people are mining the coins are keep dumping the coin. Though some people who hold the coins are dumping the coin it may be they need their investment back but ultimately they are looser because very soon the price ETH will bounce back to normal.

It's not worth but still alive (January 2017) lol 4th position of profitable Coins. But ethereum will die this year probably. Time to move to zCash.

That other one is giving you some indication it is going to one day be more successful and there for get you more ROI's ?

What is it again is any of these shitty bullshit coins are doing ?
You don't care yet you want profit ?

Why would people invest in Microsoft stock or Apple stock ?
Would it have anything to do with the products etc of the company ?

Shitcoin products ? What have they done again ?

0.

lol eth dead more than most others.
do not want.
full of holes.
shit.

zcoin or zcash whatever teh fuck it is called is the only worse piece of shit coin! LOL

some ppl. here are lacking basic skills in matter of interpretating volume and graphs.

ETH showed already a reversal to an uptrend.

Which i already explained with common sense (even if that was true, which it's not)

You guys are deceitful bullshitters trying to make ROI's /.
And once again i am being told off by a Noob account with broken English spouting off tired old retorts already destroyed.

Same formula as always.. noob account and 1.5 sentences of poor quality shill work.
Play your games just realize who is in charge chump change scroungers. (Whales / Dev's)

Crypto is a wide open book.. 100% obvious and very predictable.

How did i refute this noob's over-played retort ?

Simple..
Coins sit on exchanges for trading.
When one is effectively dead users flock to it even harder then before.. to buy cheap coinz nom nom nom.
Why ?
Because traders buy ANYTHING ..no matter how shitty or dead it is.
In the hopes it rises 0.00000001 Sat's so they can get a profit from it.
And the more a coin was in the PAST popular the more this phenonema plays out.
So..
Little surges in price equate to sweet fuck all.
It has no bearing on the coin being alive or successful or good or anything really.

It's called commons sense.

It gets interesting, it seems to be strong

The price is quite stable now.

why is it in mexican ?

how many people in this thread saying ethereum is dead????

ETH down : ETH is dead
ETH up : ETH is the new Bitcoin

same people same story.

Sounds like you are insecure about litecoin actually rising, and you wonna get people to invest in it. Sad. And if people invest in it, guess who's the whale who will be rich "fast like a rain" with his 4000 ltc. Sad x2.

I know it's OT, but what's your take on Dash?
I had a little bit invested, because I felt they were ahead of most (all) other coins in terms of marketing. That was about it. However after the insane pump for the last weeks I sold 90% in several intervals. And waiting for the dump. Do you think it can sustain its price? I am just blown away how long it is holding on for now.

Anyway, ETHs price right now is very similar. Regarding their total coin supply and real value they offer I feel like it's just OVERPRICED. Maybe not in total $s but compared to the total market cap of cryptocurrencies. Also LTC is still so low, makes me wonder. LTC should be approx. 1 - 10% of BTC but not less. Any thoughts on that?

Why would LTC be 10% of bitcoin ? There are hundreds of similar projects which are better than LTC. On top of that, LTC has the centralization problem because it is not designed with decentralization in mind. Because of it's mining algorithm, asics are used to mine it. And guess where 99% of world's asics are concentrated ? You guessed right, china !
Also, if you hope ETH gonna drop, you're wrong. Metropolis is 3 months away, and it's the second major update after homestead release which launched 1 year ago and skyrocketed ether's price for the first time.

I don't hope ETH is gonna drop. I rarely hope a coin drops. I also don't care about short time speculation. Imo the whole crypto-space is undervalued. I only think in relative terms, crypto vs crypto. Anyway your centralization argument is wrong. It's not near 99% and even if 90% were located in China that doesn't make it centralized. ^^
I am not very interested in LTC, but it has one of the greatest adoptions right now and contrary to ETH and DrASH its holdings are much better spread. Also implementing LTC is super easy for any service that already has BTC implemented. Fees are super low as are tx times. Just saying.

Well no matter what the real value is, speculation makes in the the price. I like that ETH went up so high, its s good time to make profit with shorts.

The one who says he is not interested in shorts and profits....what do you want here? Everyone saying it is not about making money is just lying.

@kryptowerk it does matter that the mining is centralized and focused in china. Because china is known for it's practices and totalitarian tendencies when it comes to control. Or you don't remember how bitcoin dropped 20-30% simply because there were rumors about bitcoin's regulation and a more tight control of chinese government ? You forgot bitcoin withdrawals are banned ?

The market cap of Ethereum is more than $4 billion now. Will it rise again?

Bitcoin's main value is as a "reserve currency" for Alts...
*** The usual suspects here have been SO wrong for SO long about ETH ***...
They do not realize that there is only ONE (1) candidate to challenge BTC as a reserve currency = ETH.

None of these coins are going "mainstream", it's all about becoming a "reserve currency" for 1000 Alts...
That's why creaky old LTC hangs in there at $200 million... you can park/transfer wealth with complete safety.

So it looks like now we have 4 "reserve currencies" (BTC, ETH, LTC, DASH)...
(Not XMR because it's centralized on a sleazy exchange called Poloniex and too exotic)...
And ETH is now taking it's 2nd run and BIGGEST run at Bitcoin (after clusterfucking it all up with the DAO and wasting 9 months).

Parity changed the game by making ETH easy to use, Storj just switched to ETH... and Devs, Devs, Devs.

Please distinguish between reserve currency and a Wizard of the Oz façade with a tiny man pulling all the levers.

The Crypto Anti-christ says reserve currencies tickernames shall have only 3 letters and shall not begin with 'X', because a) ticker symbols are abbreviations not proper names, duh, b) it's smart to waste a letter, c) it makes your project unsuitable for minors, and d) if your token follows international naming standards, then your system isn't independent of the dying morass of democracy and government.

If the block size does not increase, people will not use the bitcoin any more. It will lose the reserve currency status.

Yeah, I think people should stick more to their views. I believe in Ethereum and don't think it is likely to die ever.
And I guess nowadays it is not correct to say like OP that ltc and btc are the only true coins. Firstly, litecoin is more like a btc clone, so maybe it is not one of the 'real coins'. Secondly, eth, byteball, dash and others have already gathered trust among bitcointalk members and the trust is one of the most important things since it produces the demand.

OP probably lost some coins when eth lost some value. When I first saw the topic I thought it was like early days or pre hard fork times but no, it was just two months ago. Eth is the second biggest coin in the world after bitcoin, how could it die?

What I know about cryptocurrency is that no matter what you do they won’t die, as long as there is internet in the World and a means to transfer coins they will have value. Eth is the second biggest one so it will be one of the last ones to “die”.

If it is dead then take a look at Expanse seems a good undervalued Etherium clone. :)

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/expanse/

everyone thought the original ethereum ETC is dead well it's not and very healthy... launch a fund soon to sophisticated investor

look at the networkhashrate of ETH and the market cap and dream on

And please get some kind of pump started  so i can finally dump that etc

That is right. I think there are more users in the ETH.

ETH and Scam is impossible co compare. Just look at the ETH price  ;D

Maybe ETH is just a really, really good scam!

Actually I think it has potential. I bought some when it was around $15.

Then you must be happy victim of this really, really good scam lol. Ethereum has already shown what it got and we know now that Ethereum Got Talents lol. It is already considered to be THE alternative to Bitcoin and is the number two in the ranking next to the Father (or should I say Mother?) of them all which is Bitcoin. Bad thing I was swayed by the negative views on Ethereum last year I did not buy some Ethers...and look at it now...with its value astronomically rising in the past weeks who can now say it is for nothing? PS: I am not connected with the Ethereum Foundation lol.

hard to kill this thing now i guess lol, all the whale bots who pushed it to the moon don't want it to lose (unless they all start to dump it to hell lol).  still, yes it has a chance to work in the cryto space but i don't seeing it being this valuable for usage nor its current value.

ETH is bet cam vehicle so far...
Blockchain for:
-dating
-money for poor
-3x fund managments ICONOMI,Melon,TaaS
-gambling
-web browser
What next ?
- cook on blokchain
- virual sex rooms
- ICO generator
95% of those ICOs will end abandoned or as failed projects this stuff is pathetic
current average ETH fee is like 0.15$ :D RUN ANY BUSINESS on that ETH you will be broke in no time.
Business where maintenance fee is rising 10x in few months will bankrupt most ICO ideas.

That is right. The ETH has become too big. It is around 20% of the value of bitcoin.

ZCash was also big, it was 600% of the value of bitcoin.
some more coins in the past were also big, they were XX% of the value of bitcoin.

they all got dumped eventually as the whales cashed out.

You're really stupid. Zcash was at 600% of bitcoin's coin price when there were only 1-2 coins available. Coin price is irrelevant, market cap is what matters.

The retorts here are sad FAIL.
LIEK OMG ETH IS WIRTH <insert number> on Exchangerz !!!111ONE

so...

It's a success.

End of story .

PS:
To the chatter about whether it was a scam or not..
Uhhh News Flash good ole Butters sold 1 MILLION DOLLARS worth of his 4 million dollar ICO stash he got on launch day in 2014.
Sooooooo uhhhhhhh ? Duh ?

So if i pick a coin.. any coin.. then pump it hard does that make it now the Bitcoin Alternative ?
Even if it's not even a currency like ETH's app's platform fuel ICO tokens ?

Not only is it not an alternative to Bitcoin but it's not even a fucking currency dumb fucks.
It's not possible for ETH to replace BTC.
If you think that your a fucking idiot.. or a deceitful piece of shit.

People are making gud money on ETH. Shame you missed the party.

Ah man before gold people traded anmials/skins as money then comes gold then fiat then BTC then...
You can cry that nothing can stop BTC but not really .
Winner will that one which will be much more usable and will have wide adoption.
People are crying that ETH is complex and can broke i think that too but no one is taking scenario that ETH won't have fatal error and will work fine. Will be faster and cheaper than BTC when who will give a fuck to LTC/BTC when ETH will be viable alternative. ETH will be interesting in POS because it will have as 1st POS coin some real demand from DAPs . Rest POS coins was Piece Of Shiet because no usage. Ethereum can be interesting.
For you ETH can be fuel for others ETH will be currency faster/cheaper in use than BTC.
With prof of Vitalik it can be very innovative technology same time BTC will fade away over miners control.
When BTC miner in name of ASICBOOST block progress this is something wrong with POW build.

Eth is pumped HARD but this is not like PnD because behind ETH goes real transactions:
https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactions-btc-eth-ltc-dash-doge-ppc-blk.html

In teems of price ETH with super-nodes will go over BTC price Master nodes are great tool for Voting
and for PUMP because it cut supply from market.
To be honest as community Vote like it was with ETH/ETC that was only one true voting so far.
People just moved to better chain and they building projects there.
THis is not like in LTC where 12 miners wend and cliam to be LTC

Wow! To think there were people who believed even ETH was a shitcoin doomed to die...

Makes you wonder about how many of the current "shitcoins" will skyrocket in price and maybe even in use in the coming year or two.

Jesus christ still with the "price" retorts ?  ::)
WOW ..morons

Fur's traded ? uhh yeah no shit i live in a region that did that.
I have visited fur trading forts from back then.. you ?
Hudsons Bay fur trading outposts bruh ;)

You are all playing dumb.

The metric to a coin being successful or "alive" has little to do with the price of it on exchanges.
This is not a disputable fact.
Yet it's the only thing you all ever really say..

Not sure how many times on this topic alone i can explain this to idiots before i get bored.
Let me put it this way..
I have posted one comment the most here since 2013.
And that is ?
You (the majority) are stupid or deceitful or a nasty combo of both qualities.
You and your shit coin scene sicken me.
Your scammy ass little ICO coin schemes are a joke and not foolin' anybody.
The outside world gave 0 fucks guys.
Scammy fucks propping up scammy bullshit preaching to other scammy fucks
all of them .. jockying fer teh ROI'z

You're dumb ass idiots posting retarded bullshit.
I keep posting the facts and you bury it with more stupid ass bullshit comments.
Fur trading ? gimme a break  :D

Once a coin has gotten popular (price pumped usually)
It will be delegated and reserved as an ongoing thing pretty much forever.
Once people see a coin rise up high they will forever cling to it hoping it gets pumped again.
Hell i have even done this myself ROFL
You stupid fucking scammy ass greedy little morons KNOW damn well what i am saying.

I don't appreciate idiots chanting about the glory of Ethereum or Monero or Ripple.
When since 2013 NONE of these stupid shitcoins have done fuck all since.
WHILE you proclaim they have reached a milestone of success ..trying to sucker in new "investors"
With lies and bullshit.

Is Ethereum a success ?
Yup.. ask Butters he got 4 million dollars.

Why ?

Pump and dump bullshit on the exchanges.
It was sure as hell not real world adoption that sparked the price.
It was pure market manipulation that produced that result.
So don't bullshit people by saying otherwise..

I don't like false claims posted here about scammy ICO shitcoins.
Do what you want guys but keep it real ok ? CUT THE CRAP !

This can only happen IF and BECAUSE of the will of the poeple (the Ethereum software community and miners).
Most people in the EThereum community are not miners or software engineers and can thus NOT decide the faith of this decision.

That is right. The ETH is about 25% of the value of the bitcoin now.

The price of ETH and ETC has risen and it stands at an all time high at the moment and with the talks of an Ethereum ETF looming high it is definite that the price would go up further more and the word is that the Ethereum ETF could be approved before the Winklevoss bitcoin ETF .

It is well and fair now,but you have to remember that there was a time when the price of Ethereum was sliding and i remember the time and money spent by the team to hold the price together as you could see huge buy walls to prevent the price crash and they rescued the price from crashing and now they are enjoying the ride.

Does it mean the price of Ethereum is well supported?

I think so. The price is still around 0.05 bitcoin now.

The price was over $100 already. It seems it will not rest for long time.

Still dead. Just overbought and overhyped. Insecure, inflationary, centralized, mutable crypto will always lose to real fundamentals over time. Maybe ETC can live on I don't know. RSK gives them both a run for their money.

How to Mine Ethereum with CPU/GPU Still Profitable 2017
please visit: http://MINERGATE.BITCOINS-FREE.COM

Indeed, near 200$. Funny thread btw.

Rootstock! LMAO!

If we the price of ethereum now its near at $200 and the pricr before its very low compared today price is high. Ethereum dont die because everyear this altcoin become more popular to the all trader and many trader invest in this altcoin . So the price is continously increasing. Ether have big big future and they have possible it will become number 1 in the future if the bitcoin will die thats my prediction only . But I dont want bitcoin die . Bitcoin and ethereum is a good combination to make a lot of profit.

ETHereum is dead  ???  ::)

LOL

yup.
so buy WBB instead :D

It is alive. The price is almost $200 each.

The price is still rising.

I think it will be stable against the bitcoin.

Ethereum is the new Bitcoin guys.

Bitcoin had a lot of bad headlines in public. But Ether is rising now for the masses. Alone the name of the fifth element is gorgeous.

How fucking hilarious is this thread these days.  :D

This is hilarious ? "R.I.P Ethereum - The Pre-Mined ScamCoin is dead"

Yes..

All hail ETH the new KING.

Ethereum is totally reach 300 dollars and I believe this year the price will reach $500-$1000 before the end of this year. Until now bitcoin is still king od all the coin but if the bitcoin die for sure ethereum is the new king.  I hope ethereum will not dump. For sure those people have many ethereum becone happy because they earn a lot of profit. I also have ethereum but I wait the price to increase more before i sell it.

ETH already passed $340. I think. We will be touching cloth of $400 by next week alone. Gud time to buy and jump on the ETH moonship. 

I bet distribution of bitcoin is worse than ethereum. Ethereum basically is very fair.

Maybe Ethereum will surpass Bitcoin market cap for a while, but I fear a dump afterwards.

Don't know about the long run.

That will happen when the block size of bitcoin is increased.

The OPs shitcoin, litecoin still hasn't hit $100. Worthless 2nd gen that shouldn't be around.

Well, you will need larger HD for synchronization, transactions will be much faster for some time.
It will need some time, today has best volume of trade on Trex.

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There is quite enough evidences against ETH but it is more popular every day. Also with emergence of new tokens and new services based on their platform, they getting more and more positive attention. WHY?

People bought it only because it grows
But now he can not grow anymore, people will sell
It typical Ponzi scheme
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/ponzischeme.asp

Ok it is profitable and i understand traders, i also bought it few times and sold it. But i do not understand basics behind all of this many projects found ETH as best solution for their business, why they didn't pick ETC for example or Stratis?

Cose get bribe. Vitalic is journalist from most corrupt country.

Also Expanse the same -> https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_exp

It's no further ahead then when i posted on this topic a yr ago.
Market Price is irrelevant.
End user adoption has not moved.. it's still dead.

Why did the world recession happen years ago triggering mass global inflation ?

Hollow worthless derivative housing stocks ...worth way waaaay too much money ?

Understand yet Investards ?

Is it dead yet?

Up 2% today. Luckily I managed to buy the dip with 100 more ETH.

Onwards and upwards.

There is nothing wrong in making some profit when you can,but always remember that i wont remain like this for a very long time,just enjoy what the profit you could make with it and get out at the right time,there are many projects coming up which will use the alternative and thereby diminish the valuation of ETH.

Funny how these idiots keep posting the same shit one year later ahahahahahahah, and ETH keeps going up.

ım wonderıng what ıs doıng the owner of topıc now :D etherıum reached +300 dolar he should cry now :D can ether be down yea but after thıs poınt can ıt be dead . thats not possıble :D sorry for owner of topıc :D

I still feel like Ethereum is scam as hell. I don't think it would die meanwhile but if I compare bitcoin with ether, I would always choose bitcoin over it, for many ways. Price doesn't matter.

I agree with you, but at the moment we are at the end of a bullish wave in the next we will see the survivors I believe that ETH does not exceed 1000 million $ in a few years

1000 million $  is called $1 Billion   :)

Yes i do agree bitcoin and Litecoin also you can add Ripple and Dogecoin also long eexisting coin . Ether and other are famous because its ability create smart contracts with very less time and create tokens for ICO . because of this there is lots of ICO happening its also good move lets wait and watch.

So is it dead now? Lolllll

I don't think so, but maybe in the near future the ethereum will surpass the bitcoin and become the strongest cryptocurrency. We can't predict what will happen in the next few years. We just need to observe the progress of the crypto currency.

ETH is live and well. It is the second largest coin.

And as such it will probably be pronounced "dead" as many times as bitcoin has on every single little correction or crash.

Yes, Ethereum until now exist and although in fluctuating condition but still survive in second position after bitcoin

After some events Eth proves the circular economy where money folow the flow that is sure at this moment.

ETH is not dead and I do not think it is going to die anytime soon, however I do think that bitcoin and litecoin are better than ETH, but as long as the market wants and buys Ethereum then Ethereum is going to keep existing whether we like it or not.

I would love to see ETH further development to make even more generalized EVM with no inclination to issuing tokens and rules for exchanges between accts. It should be a separate "coin" library for it, but ETH needs to be more generic. Bad ICO's gives a bad reputation to it. It's just a tool.

What is a moar. Never heard of that, please explain  :P

i think LTC good work

Yeah, Ethereum doesn’t look like it’s going to die anytime soon though the price of Ethereum is taking some damage from the people that been holding it for a very long time. With all these ICO’s that are being built by the people that make money from previous ICO’s using Ethereum, they are trying to dump what they have so they could get their money out as fast as they can. Fiat isn’t worth it.

I will take a whole lot of time for Ethereum to die off, it's number two on coinmarketcap for crying out loud. Maybe in 10 years from now it will be dead and gone, but not any time soon. Don't hold your breath is my advice.

The difference being Bitcoin is used as a currency because it is one.
Unlike Ethereum..

ETH is used for is ICO inception faggotry.. ICO inside an ICO pyramid schemes.

Maybe Google search what a currency is ?

That is some good luck alright. You almost got the top. ETH was about $338 on the 22nd. 100 x 338 = $33800.

Today ETH is $198.  100 x 198 = $19800.  A loss of  $14000.

As they say. Timing is everything. When you mistime something that badly when investing in equities they say you're "holding for the long term."

yeah i timming is everything. iam still hold my ETH now. i'll be wait untul Segwit on august. i think the price of ETH will be increase up. keep calm

Every currency has its ups and downs. Even fiat money loses 50%. That doesn't make Ethereum scam. There are really big companies investing on ETH.

Alot ICO that utilizes Smart Contract are dying in this process as well

BTC - it's like gold.
ICO - it's like shares of companies.
Just choose what you believe.

The Ethereum have a show! New Year , new highs!The Ethereum is the future of Internet Commerce. It's like Windows in the beginning! First will be a maximum of 1000-1500 then consolidation at 500.

I agree..
The price of it has no bearing on it being a scam or not.
What does is how it works and how it's handled and by whom.
Market manipulation is a key issue especially when you pay yourself 72 million coins worth a few hundred each now.

I remember back when noobs kept quiet.
I also recall a time when a coin with a 2% premine worth 10 grand was considered ultra mega scammy..
Now ?
Now you can premine oh i dunno 100 million dollars worth and well.. you are visionary or some fucking shit.

I wonder who is it here that actually believe the dumb fucking shit they post 24/7 ?
Ethereum is a scam and for a huge pile of reasons.. that have been outlined over & over since it launched many years before you kidiot noob brats even got here.

In fact because it is the no. 2 coin you ALL consider it legit and not a scam.
So quite the contrary to the noob i quoted you do think that.
See ?
See how you post retarded contradictory vague gibberish.. for ROI's ?

I don't believe that to be true.

Some companies are studying the ethereum protocol with a view to making their own tokens. The plan is to use their own, improved and no doubt proprietary, technology at some point in the future.

None that I know has expressed any intention of being associated in any way with the ETH token.

Edit:spelling

Eth end year will be  1000 dollars.We need to buy while the price is down

ETH pow/pos hard fork will be a disaster. ETC will come out on top of all of these failed forks.

Ethereum & its supporters are akin to the movie Idiocracy.

Instead of Brawndo: The Thirst Mutilator, We have Ethereum.

Brawndo: Its got electrolytes, its whats plants crave.
Ethereum: Its got smart-contracts, its what coins crave.

But what the hell is a smart contract?
It's what coins crave.

Luckily I didn't invest some of my money to eth.Yes I know that eth is better than bitcoin but I am a certified bitcoin user and investor.I feel sorry for those who invested some of their money and lost it in just a sweep. :-\

It's unfortunate but I guess volatility is part of the crypto space. No crypto is 100% safe, it's all purely speculative and there's always a chance prices can drop even 50-60% no matter how good the coin/system is.

It doesn't really matter what you say about ether because for now ether has also got same popularity as bitcoin or lite coin do. Moreover, most of the ICO companies rely on ERC20 standard and it adds more value to ethereum as compared to other currencies. It has got all the reasons to stay up.

If you look at https://coinmarketcap.com/assets/ (https://coinmarketcap.com/assets/), you will see why the coin can't die.

really dead ?

Many ICOS are sprouting from the ETHEREUM platform so I doubt ETH will die any time soon. Maybe in the future other platforms like Ardor or Stratis might take some of the market share of businesses wanting to do ICOS but it will not die any time soon I do not think.

When people said that ETH and ETC are going to have the same price (and even ETC surpassing ETH) I never expected ETH to come crashing down to ETC current price ;D
Of course, it hasn't happened yet, but looking at what has been going on lately, I wouldn't be surprised ;D

Now there is a summer correction, it is an opportunity to go at profitable levels, the process of the etherium can not be stopped))))

No it will not, more likely somewhere between 100 and 300 dollars. Not anywhere near $1000. In your dreams only!

If only one ICO would actually do everything they promise in the ICO time then the price of ETH will see a rise. otherwise it will stay in the 150-350 range

ICO doing something good is not going to change the price of Ether. they are built on top of the platform but are somewhat separate. the only way an ICO has an effect on ether price is when they are accepting investors because people can only participate with ETH tokens and then afterwards it will have another effect as the ICO owner dumps those tokens.

and besides, for each 1 half decent ICO there are 50 scam ones.

hmmmm In other words, you're deciding whether ETH can be centrally controlled or not and whether it is immutable or not.
If this money gets taken back, then ETH is neither decentralized nor immutable.
Smart contracts should depend on their code only,
not on their "ETH overlords" to save them once that code is broken.

I agree with the face that litecoin is underestimated. I think it can go 200 use by the end of this year. But still, ETH is not dead, it is much far to be dead.

I guess no one does not want his project to be successful, everyone would want his project to be a success.
I think all platforms have their respective advantages and disadvantages. So use the platform that suits your needs and wants.
To coin the trash, just a fool who buys trash coins, then you have to be smart to choose whether the coin is good or not.

Yes you are right Bitcoin and Litecoin are the best coin going on at this time and I am sure both will be a very good coin in the future but how you are saying Ethereum a bad coin it is also doing very good in the market and many investors are investing their money in it. Can you give me some solid reason why you are saying ETH a scam coin?

Dead coin does not do 20% per day))))) there are a lot of dead coins, but not an etherium, he can not die, because not a lot of projects are built, and if 30% of them are real, then the etherium will be Work!

hahahah good one

But its smart to have at least a few Eth :)

The Ethereum is still very alive. Somebody just stole $32 million worth of Ethereum.

Dead coins don't also surpass Bitcoin trade volume by a large margin.  ;D

But why would people invest in ETC, this is the real question...

ETH keep going up in the last few days. It is more alive than ever.

Without falling, there is no growth. All inventions, faced with huge problems, how many aircraft crashed during testing, but this does not mean that people refused to aviation! With the etherium, too, after the shocks and mistakes, it will firmly take its place, in the global economy!

In addition to this, Daimler company has been testing ethereum blockchain for its financial transactions. Imagine they found it well and how big groth this would cause in ethereum. Thus, it will never die.

I do not know why but i do believe that ethereum classic is better than ethereum. There are too many people focusing on ethereum andd they forget how awesome ethereum classic can be. Investing in ETC will surely bring a lot of money to you

ETC and Ethereum is the same SCAM from same gang.

It was dead in the water II it was coded. It was even better the second it ripped into two separate coin. After that it became even better when the price of a dropped almost 50 points in one day. This Klein has been dead since the very second it was created. But i am afraid very few people realize this and they still trust it.

Why you no faith in ETH brah!?

Really, with the number of crypto on the market will confuse the user crypto. If bitcoin and litecoin are in everyone's mind.

Die ethereum can only, together with the market of crypto currency! But correction, and very serious, will undoubtedly be ...

That was some serious Master Yoda grammar there!

I think ethereum has nothing to do with this hacking. I believe most of the victims of this are those who click the links of free coins in an obviously impossible amount. Being baited to that phishing activities are not the responsibility of ethereum team.

Today is dead))). But where will it go when it comes to life ??? Who thinks so ??

A fiat currency only loses that amount of value in two different scenarios.

1 Long term inflation
2 Short term hyperinflation

The first scenario happens all the time, the second is rarer but it also happens.

Ethereum looks dead in the mining too, lot of people are switching to other coins, the profitability of Ethereum in mining is going down almost everyday and it doesn't look like it will recover in the near future. This will make a lot of GPU miners go away from such coin making things worse than they are already for this coin. I am only a Bitcoin holder so I am not affected by what happens to any altcoin. Am only sorry for those miners though, spending a lot of money on GPU-s and never getting ROI if things go like this.

Ethereum is not dead and for sure it will increase morr before end of this year 2017. Op started this topic last year ago and if he buy ethereum for sure they he earn a lot of profit because on that year the price is around 10-15 dollars . I think before end of this year 2017 the price become posssible around 500-1000 dollars and for sure it will happen because ether start to rise and increase again.

It's the dreams and expectations that you take for reality, as soon as sales of useless ICOs begin, to prevent a price drop will not be possible ... The only question is, when? I think in the coming days ....

ICO still have a long time for them, never underestimate the market.

Correction begins, these slides will be very steep, I think it wise to look from the side))))

ETH has proven to be very stable in the last days, this trend will probably continue as I don't really see anything that will change that anytime soon. As it builds a base above $200, it probably will start to rise in the months to come.

up we gooooo

Ether looks pretty much stable than most of the coins out there.
I don't think it is scam, but its developer is weird guy. Hard to trust.

So what you think about RIPping ETH now?

LOL! I don't expect anyone would say that, he is looking weird really but I don't think people will trust ETH
if the developer does not deserve the trust. As of this writing marketcap is $18,160,251,911, I think being weird attracts people to invest.

Ehtereum isn't going down that much. It is losing just as much as the other alt coins are with the increase of bitcoin's price.
So those trading between the two will notice the slide in value.

The moment came when the prices of the etherium and bitcoin went in the opposite direction, this is normal and logical. The higher the bitcoin, the lower the etherium. The bottom below $ 90, I think before the end of this year ....

hahaha... all those haters trying to get ETH down. Sorry guys, but ETH demand is rising, and so is the price. Look at all the projects being run on the ETH chain, do you think they will just vanish?

Lot of haters who know nothing about the crypto world, Look fellas ETH isn't going anywhere anytime soon and while there crazy fast growth needed a market adjustment Ethereum is still on a projected path of hitting BTC price or greater in the next few years as the demand for there services only continues to grow.

Cause thats how it goes btc up eth down so as btc will go down what will happen to eth its such a saddest part that it will go down. In reality dont think that eth will go up while btc is down.

Hatred or love in this case do not matter, it's just emotions. In investments, common sense is important. And sober analysis. Many people are now trying to invest in the crypto currency, but they are newcomers ... And the second half, these are experienced speculators, they do not live by ideas, profit is important to them. When they take the money from the newcomers, they will choose another tool ....


99% ICO is useless projects ... ;D ;D ;D

Actually BTC growth is caused only by speculative ambitions because of fork. A lot of traders do it with margin to get bcc with this margin.

$1.3 billion has been invested in ICO’s.

It is good to see more projects coming out with ETH platform but what i really want to know is ,will be network hold up for all these coins,i agree that the price of ETH had a very good rally because of these projects and we will see whether we could see more growth from this situation,we will always see a range bound in all the alt coins and so these ups and downs are not a big surprise.

And there are loads of scams and useless projects sure but its not like a billion dollars was wasted on nothing.

Just noticed ethereum is going down alot now.
I think all so called alt coins are going down while bitcoin is the only cryptocoin going up.
The forth night before the blockchain is predicted and known to split into two. :-[

It isn't ethereum that is hacked, just some wallet software. What a shitty fearmongering this is..

Why is this still being talked about?

Like haters gonna hate.
If something is famous there are someone who really trying hard to bring it down but it will not succeed.
Eth has stabilize its platform and have a great support from the community.
The price now is decreasing as well as the other altcoin but fairly enough it will increase after the correction.

And obviously ethereum has died many times and will die a few hundred times just like bitcoin has. /s

I never understood why people always want to fud stuff with incorrect facts.

I watched Vitalik's interview in Skolkovo, as I understand, their team is not interested in rising prices. They are more busy with the platform, and they are planning another project. That's when they will launch this new project, that's what you need to invest in it ....

Why this thread saying that eth is scam? i mean, in my opinion eth is the 2nd best coin/platform in the cryptocurrencies world, it is mad to call it scam.
You will never see ethereum 3rd in coinmarketcap again, maybe 1st, but never 3rd again ( ripple thing was just for couple days )

Difficult to say. The btc or bcc could be second.

Putin also met with him a month ago.
He was wanting to get some insight so to create his own blockchain called the Masterchain.

INteresting isn't it?

Millionaires from many different countries are now heavily invested on ETH, hacked after hacked surely they won't allow it to go down easily no matter what.

Is Ethereum done?

Ethereum is still thriving despite its many warts.
I'm holding some ETH to hedge the risks of another BTC split.

Nah. The wallet is a bitch to use but other than that, most of us are still laughing at portalufonet's expense.

EHTEREUM is now very popular everywhere and especially in China also and in Asian Countries. It has also gone up in price again since the Bitcoin scaling issue has been solved. I think there is still room for it to grow more in value and infrastructure over the coming few years.

I thought those people mainly use the Ethereum just for ICO.

There are a lot of guys telling us that a coin is a scam and so on. Only reason I can see for this is a sad attempt to try to get the coin cheaper so they themselves can buy cheaper.

You are right. That is the reason why the price has risen so many folds even many people talked down about the good coin.

Yes. Smart contracts are coming to Bitcoin Cash.

the litecoin price not reach $100 and ethereum still live  :D

The price of ETH will be more than $300 soon.

The price is already $450.

It is not possible to participate in what you say. There are no credentials or rationale behind the claims that you have asserted in this way, just looking at a few news. Do not be a fan of any coin.

It's not ETH scam. After all the news he heard about Bitcoin, around us are full of fiat money fans who are in similar assertions.

If you are a bit forward-looking and open-minded, you will see.

Some people will never agree with premines or the centralisation that has surrounded eth.
Just a matter of principles.

then what is your basics saying like that does not it I think there are lots of investors to make investment in the future?

Yeah.. That crappy ethereum huh guys... Feeling pretty stupid saying it was a scam coin?

Remember that ALL coins are scam coins if you don't know what you are talking about. Now its time to reap some BCH bitches.

Ohh and if you see a red 1997 Lamborghini Diablo on TURO... You can rent it from me :D (such a classic car)

Congratulation with your holdings. I know that you are already getting good profit. But same with the holders of Ethereum, we also get good profit because it has a good support by the community same with litecoin. I think no need to bash Ethereum because both coin is a good investment.

There is no scaling problem for the ETH. So it could be used more and price will rise again.

How is there no scaling problem with ethereum? Where do you think the network congestion comes from?

A lot of coins have been created on the basis of the etherium. Therefore, the etherium lived, lives and will live. And numerous forks.

I think after each fork, the ETH will become better.

Lol, I could spend whole day laughing at this guy.
I really want to know this guy should not holding Ethereum and DAO today. Lol!!!
This thread originally created and started last mid 2016 so this guy is blind and totally have no idea what is Blockchain and Cryptocurrency like Ethereum and DAO that time.
There's no time to waste on predicting the future of everything like Ethereum and DAO because only the market decides which one and what's going on in the Crypto Market.
Ethereum and DAO are one of the strongest Crypto Blockchain Backbone today so those people who turned down Cryptos back days shouldn't be holding other coins except than Bitcoin as what he said on his statement.

Ethereum is proven to be that most reliable Blockchain backbone in the market today.
Hundreds of ICOs and new Altcoins that are on circulation every month with Ethereum platform with smart contract and ERC20 tokens that is more reliable than any other blockchain backbone today.
Many new altcoins are trusting Ethereum Backbone due to it's flexibility and developer friendly platform.

Not everything is so smooth in the Ethereum system and it has a place to aspire. Me at the moment very upset their local purses to download all the blocks for the purse Mist it's gotta try. And with the load of the network Ethereum not always cope, the speed of the transaction is small.

Meanwhile, whoever did not invested in ETH they are now crying.....

If you bought one or two month ago, you might cry now.

I got in at ICO stage back in 2014.

It's fascinating how fast discussions can become obsolete.... :-)))
It's hard to believe that just less than two years ago ethereum was just a "scam" :-)

More ICOs token just make the cryptocurrency ecosystem become worse more, this is my thought. What do you think about many projects with same idea? While, no project proves is really good and better than other old idea. Ethereum just help new startups can approach the investor to have enough funds to develop their projects.