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Religion is poison...

In the future, people like this priest will be locked up.  They are danger to themselves and others.

They are walking, ticking bombs.  Just like Muslim Jihadists.

Moloch is right, religion poisons people's minds.

Religion is actullay a very good tool to lead huge amounts of people.. smartest gun invented until now and most dangerous story told for thousands years

The problem is the current religions have done it all wrong... you cannot have things in your "holy book"... "written by god"... like slavery, homophobia, et al

Simply reading the old testament has turned many christians into atheists

Religion "could" be a good tool... if you remove all the obviously wrong parts... the hatred and bigotry, the multiple genocides, magic and miracles, etc

Religion has inspired so many horrible events in history like the crusades, inquisition, witch burnings, book burnings(science)...

and more recently, 9/11, ISIS, the Orlando night club massacre, murders of both atheists and christians by machete in Bangladesh


When will it end?!?

This guy is no better then any Muslim Jihadist.
The difference is Muslim Jihadists don't have the source of information as this American does.

This fundamentalists always fuck things up, I know there are good people that bound in religious views(they are the one doing the norm) . The fucked people are always the fundamentalists.

The problem is that too many religious people are fundamentalist... look at this graph (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIlNIVXpIns)

https://images.washingtonpost.com/?url=http://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/files/2013/12/figure1.jpg&w=640&op=resize&opt=1&filter=antialias

57% of Americans are in favor of a Christian version of Sharia law!!!

WHAT THE FUCK?!?

Politicians and God men's are using it as a tool for their own interests

Remember God is perfection. Don't get fooled you don't need a book or another man to tell you anything. How could they even pretend to reduce the Might of God in their little insignificant physicality. Breath, open your eyes and heart and let the flow of the universe touch you.



Since they want to lock up plant users, there is no need to locked them up... After drones strikes there is nothing to locked up. Only ashes in the wind.

Maybe one day people who have religious views will be treated for a mental illness because surely actually to actually Beleive such outlandish fairy tales is not a sane thing to do.  Or is it the non religious that are certified insane? At one time this was definitely the train of thought.

Please, no religion, ban religions, stop hatred, no wars, no fight, no races

Wake up, people. Why does religion exist? And especially, why does it exist so "universally?" Because people are religion minded beings.

If people were NOT religion minded, religions would have died out long ago... or would have never started in the first place.

If you think you are against religion, and if you think you have placed religion behind yourself because you are of a practical mind, double check yourself to see if your practicality isn't a religion in itself. And when you find that your practicality IS a religion, consider that your denial of this fact is part of your religion, as well.

Stop living the lie that you are irreligious. Everybody is religious, and has religion, in one way or another.

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Having religion is good. Its not your going to follow all what they have said. Its still up to you if you know that there are wrong then dont follow  because there is really some people who uses religion for their own sake.

We could go on without religion.  We can still do good things without it.  You can still read the bible.  I believe that God do exist, and still go to church.  I can enter and attend the mass of a Catholic church, a Methodist church, or any other sect that I want.  They are all want same thing; to teach us about our Creator, our Healer, our God.  Important thing is your faith.  Your relation to God that matters, not the religion itself.

There are two types of people. Those recognizing the glory of the universe quadrillions stars in billions of galaxies, vastness so Yuge that the mind (analytical) can't grasp them. There are so many dust of sand in the desert... That contemplating the stars at night while resting on the sand before the sun rise, too few days there will be to waste them counting them. And the other group, denying the glory of the universe, tools, drones and no lives: free them, use them, but never be used by them. They are worth nothing as they can't see the universe before their eyes and live in fictions imposed and ingrained by other tools born before them. Mind captives.

God made the creation, learn from the creation to learn about the maker. Learn with the heart not by counting, classifying and denying the unknown.

you don't speak for all of us.

i'm not.

Religion as a learned belief system. Language is already a form of religion, it restrict the understanding by imposing a transgenerational framing.

you guys are using the word religion out of context. the topic was about the belief in deities and candy land. you know this.

Catholicism, even, if you don't trust in God, shares healthy lifestyles that anyone who is sensed would follow.




Sorry, but the dear Moloch has to be told the right things.

Ah! So you are another one of those who has a religion of non-religion.

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Well, if you set yourself up as enough of an authority, that you suggest that God doesn't exist, then you are essentially setting yourself up as God. You absolutely know so much, right?

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As of right now, this statement holds true and encompasses every human on earth.
But it doesn't necessarily need to be this way.
People are "religion minded beings" out of necessity since their actions/deeds are unforgivable even to themselves. They have no other recourse but to believe in a supreme being who would have the power to forgive them and banish their demons in their stead.

EDIT - refining my above comment so as not to sound like I'm oppressing believers which I'm not. You can replace "supreme being" with anything of your choice, anything you believe in. And yes I would still keep the rest of the comment intact.

no, i am not. i do not share your view that non-religious is a religion.

did i announce myself to be any authority? no. did i suggest i know it all? no again. if you want to have an intelligent debate i will play with you. but don't talk stupid to me. i don't appreciate it.

every human on earth huh? do you know every human on earth? are you inside the mind of every human on earth? if you say many human beings are religion minded i would agree with you. but you both cross the line from being correct to over exaggerating. you do not speak for every human on earth. if you want to be taken seriously choose your words more carefully.

Yea we get it, you're special. Now get off your high horse

i don't think i'm special. what makes you think i'm on a high horse? i don't even own a horse.

That's sad contrary to men of religions, horses never betrayed. And you can let a child with an horse worry free.
Horses need only clean grass and water, and lot of love...

well thank you sir, i am not accustom to having people back me up online. it feels good.   ;D

np. take care.

Here is what these people really think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfUSzaKrxD8

In the root of all religions(any of them) is the archaic fear.. Same story is told with different languages in different periods of time since the beginning.  Not really surprising! Its up to us to keep up with it or reject it. We are not religious from birth or religious minded bla bla bla...THe only fact is that archaic fear causing us to fill the blanks. Read some history of humanity sources, it goes long before judaism, christianity or islam.

i agree. the fear of death and the unknown is what fuels these beliefs. people need to believe in something greater than themselves. they need hope that they will live on and see their loved ones again. to think that their life has no purpose is too much for them to accept. it's much more comforting to believe in what makes you feel good.

i think Religion was just a poison for a persons mind , they are just getting those people brainwashed they are not educating people by using the word of god but instead they are just ruling those people and the people are like being fooled i dont believe in religion i am just believing to god .

And the religion of not following God and believing in Him, is religion of the worst kind.

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I agree that religion should vanish to reduce hatred in the world. But I dont think wars will end even religion vanished. The cause of war is not only religion it is also the government and the oppression to people.

I couldn't be more careful when choosing my words. I do not use words lightly.
From your response it would seem that you misunderstood my comment (or perhaps I was not clear enough in which case I apologize) as a matter of fact my edit was meant to clarify just that, my use of the phrase "every human on earth".

Here, I mean "religion" as in "school of thought", basically any system of belief. I specifically mentioned the supreme being/God simply because it is central to the single most powerful belief system known to man.

The essence of religion is thought and thought encompasses every human on earth.
Perhaps now you can better understand my comment.

Like the other 2 previously stated... you are wrong... simply wrong

You are projecting

For some reason, you seem to think that whatever you believe, everyone else believes also... this is a fallacy

Not everyone believes in religion, or a god...

I do not believe in anything that does not have solid evidence to support it... this includes but is not limited to, religion, gods, ghosts, unicorns, aliens, bigfoot, jesus, satan, leprechauns, angels, demons, santa claus and the tooth fairy

I do not believe in any of these things because there is no evidence for any of them

Unicorn shit is real... Unicorns, I am not sure... ::)

Religion was created to control people in a time where no rules were set, it served its purpose and it did it well. Giving people something to fear more than man himself meant they would be more likely to follow rules set by someone in authority. Jump forward a few thousand years and we have rules built of these religions and even without the fear of burning in a pit for eternity we can stick to them pretty well. Religion is no longer needed other than for those who need comfort because of insecurities of what may or may not happen. Slowly people will waken and realise that they no longer have a need for a god or gods, how long this will take though? who knows.

More than thinking about seeing loved ones it focused on another life and infinity. People like to think about this infinite and excellent heaven full of joy.. knowing that youll vanish, burn to your ashes, no soul will fly thru sky bla bla( soo fucking romantic actually:D) is so hard to accept. We as humans cant accept the end of living form as a body or soul.. this is where archaic fears are born.

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As Henry Ford said, religion is bunk.  :D

I cannot take a source seriously when it has multiple spelling errors... that is so unprofessional it shows how bad of a source it is

Who fails to use spellcheck in 2016?!?


You have gone off the deep-end dude

You went from religitard to full blown conspiracy theory nutjob

Since all people are religious, because it is their nature, Henry Ford's religion of bunk was a bunk religion.

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It was done by one of the lizards who hasn't learned English properly, yet.

 ;D

Actually Ford never said anything like it at all, I was testing you out.

I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious theories of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God.

Religion is bunk.


Not one of all the gods of all the various theologies has ever really been proved. We accept no ordinary scientific fact without the final proof; why should we, then, be satisfied in this most mighty of all matters, with a mere theory?
[Thomas Edison, interview with The Columbian Magazine, January 1911.]

What a wonderfully small idea mankind has of the Almighty. My impression is that he has made unchangeable laws to govern this and billions of other worlds and that he has forgotten even the existence of this little mote of ours ages ago.
[Thomas Edison, diary entry, July 21, 1885.]

if you could just drop this concept of the belief in anything is a religion i would take you much more seriously. but you just can't let it go. general thoughts and beliefs do not fit the definition of religion. the definition of religion is much more specific.

However, the way you are talking in your post above, does fit religion... #6, at least. And the more you talk, the greater you prove your religiousness to be. From http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t:
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That's the point. Science and nature prove that God exists. The history surrounding the Bible proves that it is a miracle of God. Since we have this proof, what need do we have of faith? Where does faith fit in? Faith has to do with believing the proven-to-exist God when He tells us in His Word that Heaven and Hell exist.

God doesn't play around. He gets right to the point of the matter. And the matter is that Adam and Eve, although they knew God, didn't want to believe what God said, but believed Satan instead. Copy them, and don't believe God. But then copy them also in their repentance, where they turned back and believed God again. Perhaps you can be saved.

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Saved from what hell and damnation, I saved myself a long time ago, maybe you should wake up from that delusional coma you are in.

Don't tell me you are over a hundred years old, then. How old? Five hundred? A thousand? Show us your greatness. We wanna see some of your great stup... I mean wisdom.

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even with this obscure interpretation of religion i do not fall in to this category. i am not devoted to what i believe. i am not ignorant enough to say with any certainty that what i believe is the one and only truth. i am open minded to the possibility that there is more to life than i am aware of. religion is based on having faith in something, what i believe is the exact opposite, it's a lack of faith. i don't put faith in anything that is unknown and unproven. you can quote loose definitions of the word all day long, simple thoughts and beliefs are not a religion.

https://i.imgur.com/Ol0RYPE.png?1

Me  ;D Well I am old as Methuselah himself, knowledge passed down through genetics, my entire family have the same traits as me.
It is common where I come from, we see shit for what it is (SHIT).it will always be this way for future generations, I am happy the way I am.
No outsiders can influence us, not even the likes of you and your ilk.

http://gobeklitepe.info/ (http://gobeklitepe.info/)
Have a look at this before speaking about religion and old stff.. thats the oldest temple found/excavated in the world so far. Small info about archeology may actually  change your point of view to religion.

Retarded or a liar. Push your belief with just a little more proof, and you'll be a religious fanatic.

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Ah. A retarded liar, then.    8)

See, it is whatever you believe it is, am I right?

it's funny you should use the word retarded cause of all the things i could say to you i feel like this one word sums you up perfectly. we have both had this discussion dozens of times, we both know it goes nowhere. we will just go in circles for days. i'm done with you.

The earth is only about 6200 years old at the most - http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm. Carbon dating is off for times before the Great Flood of Noah's day (less than 5000 years ago), because nobody knows for sure how C-14 worked back then. The whole energy of the earth was different before the Flood.

Gobekli Tepe was filled in by the people after the Great Flood, children and descendants of Noah. Why? Because they realized that this site was one of the reasons why God brought the Flood on the earth in the first place. They didn't want to anger God again so something worse would happen. So they hid the site by burying it.

So far, only about one fiftieth of the site has been excavated. Let's stop, before we bring the wrath of God on our generations, as well.

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Here you go, explaining and proving more of your religion and religiousness.    8)

have a good day sir. it was fun for a little bit.

You mean you are agreeing with me?    8)

No you believe what you want and let me believe in what I want also, I do not impose my beliefs on you or anyone else, I suggest you do the same.
We have to have our own free thoughts and will, not imposed upon.
You should very well know this.

I can't stop you from believing whatever it is that you believe. But maybe I can show you that your belief constitutes a religion, even when you think that it doesn't.

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It's 2016 people, end of discussion. If you believe any religion text by text, there is not even a discussion that you are ignorant.

This comment makes no sense.. makes me laugh hard tho.. :D

Really?

Really?

Carbon was different 5000 years ago?

Prove it!

No experiment has ever suggested such a thing (like every claim you make)

How would a radioactive half-life be different back then?  How does that make sense, even in your world?

Serious? When you look into science, you will see that at the base of their arguments that the age of the earth is billions of years, they are simply picking an idea out of thin air for the sake of orderliness. They don't have a clue other than that.

At the time that the Bible was made into its basic form that we have today (325 AD), there were multitudes of other books that people were attempting to add to it. The current form took the best of the solid books, and threw out the junk books. That which is there is eye-witness records. Believe the eye witness records of the people that were there at the time, or believe the scientists that are just guessing or totally playing.

Have you ever looked at how many kids the Mexicans and Arabs have in their families? We the civilized, advanced people are only advanced in self delusion. If things keep on going like they are, Mexicans and Arabs will out-populate us easily... and not too many years from now.

Energy of the Earth is simply as it is stated. Look the words up in a dictionary. I don't have time to quote all the dictionaries here.

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Science is the ones making the assertions. Let them prove C-14 was the same if they can. After all, Gobekli Tepe among many other things show that there were great upheavals all over the earth. Why would anyone even think that there weren't upheavals in the way physics acts? Current science about the distant past is all guesswork.

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Science has proven this to the extent that it can be proven without a time machine

Half-life is a half-life... that's simply what it is... if you do not understand a half-life, aka radioactive decay, you have no business commenting on C-14 dating


If you claim things worked differently in the past than they do today... that is YOUR claim... YOU need to provide evidence

One reason NOBODY takes you seriously is because you make such bullshit claims without any evidence at all to support it... it's all lies, misinformation and propaganda


Your posts are equivalent to, "Everyone knows leprechauns exist... science proves leprechauns exist... even if you don't believe in leprechauns, you believe in leprechauns... leprechauns exist because the world was different 5000 years ago"

Do you actually think that is convincing anyone of anything besides your lack of grasp on reality?

Things working different in the past is the claim of science. Look at Big Bang. Things worked different back then. But nobody even knows that there was a Big Bang. Science is so mixed up, that there isn't any reason to believe a word they say.

C-14 amounts present today are not reliable because nobody knows for sure how much C-14 existed back prior to the Great Flood. If there were 100 times the C-14 present back then as we think now, it would throw the whole C-14 science off. And if there were 100 times less, it would be the same. We don't know how much there was back then. We are just guessing that it was similar as today.

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I guess some people needs to go back to hgh school for a start over with history, physics,maths, geology or biology.
If you actually look for an area without proofs thats theology for sure. What to do with mexicans or arabic families' kids?  What you mean there is gross!  You must be kidding, jokin and havin some kind of alien fun there i guess

Go back to the basics of the scientific papers regarding how old the earth is. All these papers use words like "if and "maybe," and many other words that show that they do not know for sure how old the earth is.

As far as Mexican and Arab populations increasing faster than European and American, it is a fact. We Americans and Europeans are birth-controlling ourselves out of existence, at least with relation to Mexicans and Arabs.

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All speculation that just what the Bible is, good to see that from you.
Now don't be two faced about it (Contradict yourself)

You are simply wrong

Science has shown that matter cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed

Science is familiar with the only natural mechanism which transforms lighter elements into carbon (supernova explosions of stars)

Science understands what a half-life is, and why that is important when dating radioactive elements

Science knows for certain there was not a supernova explosion nearby during the past 5000 years

Therefore, it is clear that the amount of C-14 has not changed in the last 5000 years (except through natural process of atomic decay)

Your claim that it has changed, has not met the burden of proof... this is how science works... you are wrong... like always

Considering of your comments here if you think you are civilized  even you are american or europian, thats not true :D you proved it perfectly.

Not sure what you are talking about. Perhaps you can find a better translation website. Or post it in your original language and I can try to translate it to English.

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That's not at all what I am talking about. Let me try to explain it simply.

Let's say that we find some dead plant matter that we are reasonably certain had not been disturbed since it died. We test for C-14 quantities. We find that there is X amount of C-14 in that plant matter.

From this we can calculate how much C-14 there would have been in the matter any age back into the past, provided that the plant matter existed at any age we want to look at. In fact, if we went back far enough, the plant matter might have been twice as massive, made up of who knows how many times the C-14 that exists in it today.

Here is the question. How much C-14 did it have in it when it died? We don't have any way of knowing this because, we don't really know how much C-14 existed within the location where it lived, at the time in which it lived.


Let me say it again in a different way.

If a plant died 1000 years ago, and we found its dead remains and tested it for C-14, we might guess that it lived 10,000 years ago. Why? Because the environment in which it lived had only a tenth of the C-14 that we would have expected. Because we expected a whole lot more C-14 in its environment, and because we didn't know that the environment that it lived in had only a 10th of the amount we expected, we dated it incorrectly.


Because of this, there is little if any way to get a correct reading from C-14 carbon dating. Rather, it is a trick that scientists use to get us all to believe that the Earth is a lot older than it really is. Why do they do this? I am certain that they do it to make the idea of evolution into something that is possible, even though the probability math says evolution is impossible beyond beyond. And this to destroy the idea of God in the eyes of many.

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Now you are getting just plain stupid in some of this.


An example. Many Chinese people are small people. You can have a family of small Chinese people. Then, suddenly, some children are born who are literally giants. Why? It is built in, inside of their genetics.

If that wasn't enough, environment changes people in many ways.

If that wasn't enough, we can manipulate our own genetics slightly just by meditating on it. We don't have much ability to do that any longer, because of entropy weakening us. But 4000 years ago they would have still had much of that ability.


energy - http://www.dictionary.com/browse/energy?s=t
of - http://www.dictionary.com/browse/of?s=t
Earth - http://www.dictionary.com/browse/earth?s=t


Arabs and Mexicans are generally more civilized. You can tell by how well they live with big families.

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Bible is eye witness reports. Science is often speculation, especially in the science theory area.

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Use school to learn reading, writing and arithmetic. Use school to learn practical science lab operations.

Don't use school to learn science theory, because science theory is all speculation.

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I'm sorry, I give up with BADLogic...

I simply cannot debate with a person who has so little knowledge about every subject, yet proclaims he has every answer for everything, without ever providing a source or anything worth debating

If people cannot see him for the troll he is... satan help them

I'm done responding or quoting the poor bastard... I cannot give him any more of my attention


Welcome to ignore, enjoy your stay

Well, you have to save face somehow, I guess. This is one way to try to do it.

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From http://www.truthingenesis.com/2013/01/03/carbon-dating-flaws-doesnt-carbon-dating-disprove-the-bible/:

If you find a fossil in the dirt, the amount of carbon 14 can be measured and the rate of decay can be determined. However, that is all that can be determined. It is impossible to know how much carbon 14 was in it at death and it is impossible to know if carbon 14 has always decayed at the same rate.

If the earth had a canopy of water above the atmosphere, or a canopy of ice, that would have blocked out a lot of the radiation from the sun. This would have prevented most of the carbon 14 from even forming. Animals that lived before the flood would have lived in a world with much less carbon 14 to begin with. There may have been none at all, but the amount would certainly be less than what we have today.


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I have said it before and will say it again.
All religions should be shut down and declared as an ongoing criminal organisation group, most if not all have probably broken every law there is.

There is very little difference between the mafia and most religions, both stand over people with the threats.

This website giving you all kinds of latest and breaking website The Global  Religion News (http://theglobalsnews.blogspot.com/p/religions.html) , if you want to know hot news of the world.

Civilized guy cant understand english.. poor you:D

Okay. I'm American. I'm civilized. And I have proven it quite well. So, what do you mean by the silly way you use English?

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I don't agree with you.
First, it's our freedom to choose if we will believe in God and be member of some religion or not. It's human right and you can't deny it.
Second, it's true that some religious representatives did evil things but because of this you can't blame all religious people. Many of them did great things, helping others, with medical help, food, shelter etc.
Finally, you can't say that institution by itself is evil or good. Only people can be good or bad, and we judge them based on their actions. 

hahahahah you should check dictionary to understand better :D :D
here you can read what civilize and civilized mean.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/civilized (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/civilized)

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You need education to be civilized.
And here you can find what education means :D
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/education?s=t (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/education?s=t)

Well, thank you for your instructions. I realize that they are well intended.

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Banning religion wouldn't change the fact that races exist.
Also I doubt it would stop the wars since most if now all current wars are lead by capitalists who couldn't care less about religion.

Its true that there are theist who do great things too but as what Steven Weinberg quoted "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil — that takes religion."

It takes something like religion to get a man to strap a bomb to his chest killing 50 innocent people...

It takes something like religion to get a man to shoot 100+ people at a night club for being gay...

It takes something like religion to get a man to crash a plane full of people into a building full of people...

You refer to 9/11 ? You're funniest every day :D ! That's the Americans, who killed their own people, not Al-Qaeda. The only problem I have is the bombs, because gay mass-murders has to encouraged.

Over the years, after debating with theists on this and other forums and in person, I came to the conclusion that the religious people are not all the same.  
Depending on their intelligence, they fall into one of the following categories:

50-85 IQ - severely retarded to slightly retarded people unable to distinguish what is real and what is not
           Generally, these people do not understand the content of religious texts but they tend to remember
           and cling on some passages that had been presented and explained to them by others.
           This group is a breeding ground for extremists and terrorists.

86-110 IQ - below average to average intelligence, most likely college or university educated folks, these people understand
            that most of the religious texts cannot be interpreted literally as these are historical texts and
            should be interpreted in the context in which they were written.  They tend to compartmentalize
            their religious beliefs and their understanding of science and the world around them.
            These people would most likely never hurt others in the name of the religion, but generally applaud and
            cheer when others kill in the name of their religion.  There are some atheists in this group but not too many.

111-135 IQ - above average intelligence.  Highly educated people, some holding advanced degrees, they are masters of compartmentalization.
             Less religious than the other groups, but still believe in God the creator.  Pascal wagers are in this group.
             This is a breeding ground for atheists as they analyze the religious texts, find inconsistencies, argue
             with other religious people (often with limited success as the mental gaps are just too great).  
             You might find some hard core religious nuts in this group, but very few since it is very hard for
             these people to reconcile religion with the reality around them.  But they try despite the odds.

136+ IQ- these people are mostly atheists, most of them don't even think about God as it is not something even worth
          thinking about.  The question of religion is as clear as 2+2 or A8+F. They know there is no God, that God concept
          was invented by people to help them understand the complex world.  They see organized religions as political
          and/or business entities.

So which group do you belong to?

The easiest way for a person with an average intelligence to become an atheist is to actually read the Bible, Quran and Talmud.
I can guarantee you, some of you will become atheists after reading the Bible alone, you won't have to read Quran.  But I highly recommend you read all three.

In every true searcher of Nature there is a kind of religious reverence, for he finds it impossible to imagine that he is the first to have thought out the exceedingly delicate threads that connect his perceptions

IQ tests are designed by slick business people to sucker a certain brand of people into working for them and making them a lot of money. They do this to find the people who love money rather than God. Why? Because these are the kinds of people they need to make money.

When it comes to God and religion, all people are equal, but often the people who have been suckered into working for money have rejected the truth of God, which shows that their "truth" IQ is a lot lower.

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That is a very communist thing to say. All people are definitely not equal. Some are smarter than others.

Do you want evidence?  Read posts in this thread. 

That's a very deceptive thing to say. All people have great qualities as well as some not so great. While some have high IQ and weak faith in God, others have weak IQ with great faith in God.

It is the high IQ idiots that have neglected the fact that science proves that God exists. They would rather try to ignore the truth, and work on finding some way to prove that God doesn't exist, instead. Even though they have been tested and found to have a high IQ, they prove their stupidity by ignoring the fact of God, while trying to find fact against Him.

Since God is what is important, what good is this stupid high IQ?

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I agree 100%

High IQ = low faith in god
Low IQ = high faith in god

First true statement you have ever made... congrats


This is even supported by science!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence)

http://pepsic.bvsalud.org/img/revistas/tp/v20n1/a09fig03.jpg

You can also say that Higher IQ has great reasoning and logic that's why they dont base their knowledge with context that has many contradictions on it.

But since science has proven that God exists, high faith in God is way more important than stupid high IQ. Why? High IQ people die just like low IQ people. But those who have faith in God at least have a chance to be resurrected to eternal life. Those without faith in God will be resurrected to eternal damnation and destruction. If they had high IQ, it doesn't benefit them at all.

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The data may be somewhat biased. Most of the non-religious live in the East Asian countries such as China and Japan, where the national IQ average is among the highest in the world. And most of the ultra-conservatives live in the Middle-east, South Asia, and the Sub-Saharan Africa, where the national IQ averages around 60 to 70.

But you are forgetting one of the greatest facts about life. This fact is, there is only ONE reason why we know that life can exist... ONLY ONE. That reason is BECAUSE IT DOES EXIST.

There is nothing in nature and science and thinking that suggests how life could have come to exist in the first place... to say nothing about the abundance and variety. Our best bet - evolution - has been proven so extremely mathematically impossible that it is not even a contender for the idea of being possible... at least in any way that we have been able to imagine. See The Mathematical Impossibility of Evolution - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1454732.msg14706492#msg14706492 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1454732.msg14706492#msg14706492).

The point? Right now the existence of life is essentially something that is impossible by any means that we can logically imagine. Nor can we imagine how a resurrection could take place. But, since impossible life exists, impossible resurrection can exist as well.

How can life and resurrection exist? Through God, Who has been proven to exist by science.

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Except for one major point. There is absolutely NO evidence of beneficial mutation being done in nature. Even the "guided" mutations in the lab that are supposed to be beneficial, may not be so in the long run. So far that we see, everything that is attributed to evolution in nature, can be attributed more easily to programmed change built into the genes one way or another.


So, you have never heard of the Theory of Evolution then? Science considers it a theory simply because evolution in nature has not been proven to be a fact. Again, when you look at so-called evolution that is found in nature, it all can more readily be shown to be built-in genetic programming that is made to adapt to the environment.

People like you who believe evolution is fact in opposition to what science itself says, have a religion going for yourselves. I admire the fact that you have such strong faith in your evolution religion, but it is science fiction, not science fact.


Cause and effect, the fact that the universe is highly complex, and the fact of universal entropy, when combined, prove that God exists. The God that is proven by this science is NOT the God described by the religions. Yet, He/It is a God shown by the definition of the word "God."

- Cause and effect in everything shows that everything was programmed.

- To program something as complex as the universe means complexity of a far greater nature in the programmer.

- The complexity shows that the programmer must have been ONE - as opposed to many programmers working in concert - because there would be lack of cohesion in the parts of the universe if there were many programmers, and the whole project would never have gotten off the ground, so to speak.

- Universal entropy shows that there must have been a beginning to the programming, and that the whole universe is becoming less complex all the time. This means that even we are intellectually less capable than our ancestors, who understood way more clearly that God exists.

- The greatness of the Creator proven by this science, and upheld by lots more science, is of the type that shows the Creator to not only be God, but to be God way beyond all our imaginings of how great a God can be.

Regarding the resurrection, there is little or no evidence for it other than the things that God has told the people... that there will definitely be a resurrection. But you have to look at the religions to see this. It isn't easily found in science.


No direct examples are available that I am aware of. However, there is no reason why life even exists, or can exist, either.

The resurrection theme is based on what God has told people through several religions, but mostly the Judeo-Christian religion, which religion is as impossible to exist as life is.



Actually, if you do not recognize God, and recognize that He tells us that He will resurrect us, you are the one who is not well. You have fallen into a detrimental mutation of your soul which is as destructive to you as some form of detrimental mutation of the body was to survivors and children of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The difference is, God is willing to heal your soul. And this healing will lead you to eternal life in glory and joy after the resurrection.

Why hasn't science discovered this? Science needs two things to understand all this:
1. Honesty in looking at the science they have found: they ignore the science that proves God exists;
2. Enough millions of years to prove out such a greatness as God: it will take this long because of our remoteness.

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EDIT: I want to thank you, however, for attempting to contradict the science that shows God. Why? Because our training in the schools in this world tries to draw us away from the fact that God exists. And every time I have to explain how science shows that God exists, it strengthens other aspects of my faith in Him. And this is the thing He is looking for in all of us... faith in the things that He tells us = faith in Him.

So, thank you for helping my faith in God to grow.

Just because scientists don't ask the question, or look at the proof, doesn't mean that they haven't proven God exists.

Science is making accidental breakthroughs all the time. Simply look around at the many scientific advancements to see that many of these are accidental findings of scientists who were searching for something completely different than what they found.

Examine the proof for God that I have shown you. It proves God is real.

Besides, not all scientists believe there is no god. Many of them understand that he exists, just like they understand that the existence of life is not understood enough to suggest that life is a possibility. The link found in my https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1454732.msg14706492#msg14706492 post is one tiny, tiny example.

Wake up and stop denying the truth and facts I am showing you. If you won't, why not formalize your religion and get government funding as a minority? Or is that the thing that science has already done... formed a religion of non-religion so they can get funding under something other than religious minority grants?

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EDIT: Are you saying that Big Bang will always remain in the realm of theory because nobody will ever be able to go back and study it? You are so self-contradictory.

Look what I found!


https://i.imgur.com/yCoRmC6.jpg
Jesus, Mary and The Green Lion

However, the dictionary definition of the word "religion" shows that any belief you hold dearly can be a religion. Thus, the adamant and dynamic claim that non-religion isn't a religion makes it a religion.



Science theory suggests Big Bang was an actual event. Yet it is theory, not fact (even though the event itself might seem to have been fact in some ways).

Science fact suggests that God is an actual Being. Since God is proven by science fact rather than conceptualized by science theory (not necessarily fact), why do you keep on ignoring science?

Keep on believing the fantasy that your idea of non-religion is not a religion.

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Reminds me of the place Revelation where the dragon goes after the woman. Revelation 12:1-6:
Were you able to get a translation of the wording in your picture?

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Don't get me wrong, af_newbie. I am not trying to humiliate you in the least. I am trying to get you to wake up to the fact that God exists, before it is too late for you.

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Why is "Mary" standing on some face?  Whose head is that?

From what I see on the photo, she's not standing above that guy on the cross. She's behind on that guy and somehow pleasing that guy on the cross. I wonder what the connection of that green animal with it's tongue out.

But she is standing on a GIANT head!

Whose head is that?

It's way bigger than all the other heads in the image... like ten times the size... is that God's head?  Did Mary decapitate God?

Cartoon of the day, way back ;)

That image on the left signifies the birth, death and resurrection of Christ.  The green lion is a separate image.  The green lion was a metaphor for something that was sought by alchemists - an elixir of life - a elixir that would heal any sickness.

 Nope this was serious stuff circa 1500

And we have moved on since then. Oh wait.. religious people still live in the bronze age. Guess we haven't

 I am noticing your mind is incapable of abstaction.  Perhaps that's why you can't see that god is everywhere.  I will pray for you.

The problem is that you do not see god everywhere, you pick and choose

Do you see god in cancer?  AIDS?  Mosquitoes?

Do you see god in atheists and muslims, or just christians?

Do you see your god in all the bad things, or just the good things?

Man when we talk about religion some relgions are more absurd then others.

Similar to how theres so many of these scientology places now ever since celebrities get involved like tom cruise back in the day.

Sorry dude but that's "not even wrong".


The Green Lion is a 3^rd mostly invisible celestial object in our sky also known as the Black Sun, it's also what causes eclipses.



https://i.imgur.com/Zz3AMlC.jpg

Thanks, xhomerx10. Our prayers for af_newbie are having their effect. You can tell by the bitterness in his post. The Holy Spirit just might reach him, yet. Perhaps we shall enjoy his presence with us in joy and glory, forever, after all.

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 Yes Melek, I believe all of those things you mentioned are creations of God.

 I would imagine with genetics being what they are, the "guys" you speak of are as much yours as mine.  I didn't burn anyone alive.  Giordano Bruno's spirit is with his creator now; he doesn't need my prayers but you do.  Don't worry, it doesn't hurt.

There, there my child. Relax and be still.

"Be still and know that I am God."

"Take my yoke upon you and learn of me. For my yoke is easy and by burden is light."

"It's hard for you to kick against the goads."

It will be over soon. Just a little while longer. You are drying up from the drug of this world. The pain seems unbearable. But just a little longer and it will all be over. You can't resist the Holy Spirit working in your heart any longer.

God loves you and gave Himself for you in the form of His Son, on the cross. He loves you so very much...

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 The green lion was a mixture of nitric acid and hydrochloric acid.  The sun in that image represents gold and the green lion is dissolving it.

You're full of shit dude.

Mostly false, because first, I had IQ tests when I was a child to let me pass a class or not, and guess what, I had 136+. Then, I was not raised all my life in religion. No one ever told me about that, ever ! I made all my conclusions alone. If you read the Bible, even beside the existance of God or not, all the commandements and such are so obvious that everyone should follow them naturally.

Also, if you're giving numbers about the US, this place is full of retards...

+1

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  Clearly it is a surreal image we are discussing and there may be more than one meaning behind it.  That being said, Alchemists believed that there was a seed from which gold could be grown and that by dissolving and purifying the gold, they could find that seed.  The thought that the "base" metals could be converted to gold.  Considering that the image is taken from the "Rosarium Philosophorum", it would make sense that it has something to do with alchemy/chemistry and less to do with astrology/astronomy. 

Fuck off with the creating gold via hocus-pocus bullshit, that's not what Alchemy is about. That's the story repeated to us over and over again by our corrupt authority figures and their mass media propaganda, social and schooling programs.

ANY TIME THE SUBJECT OF ALCHEMY IS BROUGHT UP IT'S LEAD INTO GOLD IN YOUR FACE OVER AND OVER AGAIN!

Loving this more and more. Haha. Going wiki on each other's faces.

This is the Green Lion's eastern counterpart.



https://i.imgur.com/c52SsKB.jpg
Rahu



Every culture has a different name and a different form but they rhyme and they all point the the same mostly invisible celestial object; The Black Sun.

Probably because alchemy had 2 primary goals...

Elixir of immortality

...and...

Transmuting base metals into gold

Considering there were only 2 goals... I'm not surprised to see one of them mentioned often... why are you?

Bullshit "...and..." bullshit.

Looks like a black man eating a mango with some croissants on the table

I just gotta say... nice eyebrows mate

Don't call it bullshit without providing an alternative explanation... that just makes you look retarded

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy)


I suppose I forgot there was a 3rd goal... a universal solvent

 I believe the pretext to this coversation was the symbolism in the image of the green lion eating the sun.  I can't say I've ever felt like Pb into Au was pushed in my face by authority figures corrupt or otherwise.  Maybe I don't hang out in the right places?  I've never viewed alchemy as anything other than a protoscience.  It was the precursor to modern chemistry.
I didn't realize anyone would still be so passionate about Alchemy.  I apologize if I have offended you as it was "not even my intention".

If you want to say Alchemy has two goals then they're knowledge and the application of knowledge. "As above so below" is the motto so-to-speak.

The problem with alchemy is that it is a complete failure

Alchemy is to Chemistry as Astrology is to Astronomy

Alchemy is bullshit... Astrology is bullshit...

Got it?

The pretext was a page from a Gnostic manuscript depicting the crucifixion of Jesus and featuring Mary & the Green Lion.



Oh, and no apologies are needed, anytime somebody is wrong on the internet.

religion is the basic element of life, i think with our religion the life is just like a car without a driver. religions tell a person about the meaning and purpose of live.  a person can lead a life for a specific reason. so life is the most important element of life.

i cannot agree with you,maybe because im an atheist.
I prefer to know how the man have evolved,how it really happened.
Religion for me is only like " believe it or not,you are nothing compared to the god " .
 I dont like any of the religions i know,lol maybe except jedi

Religion, the unlimited wealth of a leaders to be come a millionaire in our country,
Religion usually has to do with man's relationship to the unseen world, to the world of spirits, demons, and gods. A second element common to all religions  is the term salvation. All religions seek to help man find meaning in a universe which all too often appears to be hostile to his interests. The world salvation means, basically, health. It means one is saved from disaster, fear, hunger, and a meaningless life. It means one is saved for hope, love, security, and the fulfillment of purpose.

God shows his sense of humor while creating the animals

https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/tweets-god-creating-animals-0.jpg

https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/tweets-god-creating-animals-1.jpg

https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/tweets-god-creating-animals-2.jpg

https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/tweets-god-creating-animals-3.jpg

More funnies (http://thechive.com/2016/07/05/tweets-that-perfectly-explain-how-god-created-specific-animals-30-photos/)

 An organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god and i think its good to believe in god i think religion is very important part of the lives

Totally brainwashed if you believe this rubbish.

Totally brainwashed by the devil if you don't believe in God.    8)

What about not believing in false gods, such as Jesus?

obviously, i think same as you , fundamentalists are total losers and they are pissing on all the good things on earth .. they give  all the religions bad name..

Who will go in hell if christians claim christianity is the true religion but muslim keep on insisting. Seems like there will be an assurance that either billion of christian or billion of muslim is expected to go in hell. 8)

Or both.

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