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Title: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Lutpin on August 18, 2016, 09:53:56 PM It saddens me that I feel the need to write this thread. What you're seeing right here is the result of a conflict that has been going on for way too long now.
A conflict which I never intended to, and one which I did everything remotely possible to avoid, but frankly, no matter how hard I tried, it failed. Taking things out in public isn't normally my way, but hands down, I tried sorting this out, over and over again, and this is the last option I see for myself. Everything began a few days ago, when out of the blue I was contacted by OgNasty about their current struggles with TwitchySeal/game-protect/et al. Their messages included vague threats in my direction ("I am disappointed with you and while I move slowly, I cut deep."), aswell as a lot of stuff that did not make sense to me. I was shocked and confused, it seemed like a big misunderstanding to me. A full transcript of the first night can be found here -> https://i.snag.gy/ro4AOi.jpg (This is 100% authentic information, which can be confirmed by trusted members.) I immediately contacted a few guys to try help me putting any sense to it and consulted several members of staff about this, as I wanted to know what exactly was going down. None had any idea about what was happening or what exactly OgNasty was talking about. As time passed by, I realized that OgNasty believes I'm the person in control of the accounts TwitchySeal, game-protect, aswell as some others. A believe which is not only wrong, but also backed up by no evidence whatsoever. Theymos came in on the situation. They can confirm that there are no IP evidences connecting me to either of these accounts and that there's no further reason to believe I am connected to any of them in any given way. Meanwhile, OgNasty was looking into ways to release my address on the forum. An address they got for shipping purposes (I've ordered coins a few time from them) and further, an address that has nothing to do on this forum or in public in general. I'm shocked they even tried getting the allowance to do so. To me, that's been a major brech of trust I gave them when trading with them. Further, one night, without me around, they've had the following conversation in the #cryptocurrency-collectors channel (FreeNode/Slack), which started with the words "<ognasty> @lutpin: Really should kill himself." Code: <Slck><ognasty> @lutpin: Really should kill himself. As to this day, even with theymos trying to get a hand on the situation, nothing has changed to the better, I feel no other way than going public with this situation. This has been going on for too long, it's starting to affect my health. I want nothing else than this to stop, I had nothing to do with the people harassing you. It has to stop, right now and right here. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Lauda on August 18, 2016, 10:18:02 PM I've posted here to watch how the situation unfolds/resolves.
(Everyone being around that night, aswell as further others, can confirm that this is a 100% authentic log of the channel and things happened like this. OgNasty wishes me to die.) After quickly skimming through it, this log should be authentic. I've read it from my IRC history some time after it had happened.Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: CryptoDatabase on August 18, 2016, 10:26:50 PM A good solution to this is to send him one final notice. Inform him that you no longer wish to have any sort of relation to them and that if they release your private information that you will pursue legal action in the form of a civil suit.
Leave it at that and let him continue with what he is doing. Continuing with stuff like this will only prolong the matter and further inflame it unfortunately. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: EcuaMobi on August 18, 2016, 11:02:37 PM I really don't like how OgNasty has been handling all this. He has accused others to threaten him while I consider his actions could be qualified more as that.
As I've said before I think not advertising Betcoin would be much more responsible, especially for someone as trusted as OgNasty. But I don't think there are enough proof to demand it or to leave negative trust to him or others who promote it. OgNasty promotes it and it's somewhat disappointing but so be it. This has really came out of control. @Lutpin: I really think you should just drop it. To be honest I'd say it's not worth it. And I really don't think "Really should kill himself" must be taken literally. It's an awful thing to say but I really don't think he meant it. I think he was just mad. Isn't that right OgNasty? @OgNasty: It seems your whole point is that you assume everyone that asks you to stop promoting it is in a conspiracy, has several alts and has interests on competing sites. However you miss to provide any proof. If what you assume is true then my whole point of view would change. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on August 18, 2016, 11:09:58 PM That's fucked up. None of this drama surprises me anymore, but two members of DT fighting (even though this has nothing to do with that list) isn't good. Is OGNasty going to get tagged for this? It seems like it's bad behavior at the least.
Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Lauda on August 18, 2016, 11:10:40 PM @Lutpin: I really think you should just drop it. To be honest I'd say it's not worth it. They did drop it. AFAIK this was attempted to be solved privately, but they can't control the actions of the other party. From what I do understand, Lutpin is just concerned about their safety at this time as the other party does have their full DOX. And I really don't think "Really should kill himself" must be taken literally. Considering the messages that they've exchanged privately, I'm not sure what to think of this.Is OGNasty going to get tagged for this? It seems like it's bad behavior at the least. This is what we call "bad behavior" now? The situation is a mess.Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: EcuaMobi on August 18, 2016, 11:18:30 PM And I really don't think "Really should kill himself" must be taken literally. Considering the messages that they've exchanged privately, I'm not sure what to think of this.Is OGNasty going to get tagged for this? It seems like it's bad behavior at the least. This is what we call "bad behavior" now? The situation is a mess.If OgNasty doesn't confirm what I'm assuming in good faith then this is much more than bad behavior and he must be tagged. OgNasty, am I assuming correctly that you didn't really mean this? Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TwitchySeal on August 18, 2016, 11:25:23 PM This is all very weird stuff. Seems like there's some piece of information missing that would explain his behavior - not sure what it is though.
I was starting to think someone was manipulating OgNasty, which would explain why he was acting like this. But maybe he's just flipping a shit because his 3+ year streak of no red trust of any kind ended. (when a relatively new member, Games-Protect, left him neg feedback for promoting Betcoin) Quote <Slck><ognasty> My reputation speaks for itself. Lutpin's of him. Here's one of the two neutral feedbacks OgN left, which makes it seem like he went out of his way to maintain the sea of flawless green:Upon discovering that NastyPool has not been paid fees for many months I attempted to remove it from the site. This resulted in my account being drained of BTC. When I brought this up to aliser I was told he would not be refunding the BTC that was in my account, will not honor the changes that were made, and will not pay me the fees I am owed for running NastyPool on minerfarm. I then asked that he at least remove NastyPool from his site, as I did not think it was appropriate for him to benefit from my reputation while stealing my earned funds. He has refused. It is now clear that this site is not being run by someone with any sort of ethics. I have given aliser the opportunity to resolve this situation prior to making my issues public by simply removing NastyPool from minerfarm and refunding the fees that were stolen (letting him keep the months of pool earnings he has stolen). He has chosen to insult me rather than do the right thing. Be warned. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: betlord90 on August 18, 2016, 11:38:00 PM Twitchyseal bringing up all the mess here, that account has been made just to troll th betcoin.ag as you can see the 59 pages of his post history it is clearly stated that he has personal grudge against the betcoin company.
Who knows maybe someone paying him to do some dirty works aswell as to ruined the company reputation and look what happen now the mess is spreading for her lies. OGnasty can do whatever he want nobody can dictate him upon his decision. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 18, 2016, 11:46:16 PM That's fucked up. None of this drama surprises me anymore, but two members of DT fighting (even though this has nothing to do with that list) isn't good. Is OGNasty going to get tagged for this? It seems like it's bad behavior at the least. I'm not fighting with anyone. I've made no prior mention of any of his harassment of me publicly on these forums. I was contacted on this forum, unsolicited, by Lutpin (I did not reach out to him as alleged above), who advised me to remove my signature and join Lauda's signature campaign group. When I refused, this situation unfolded. Lauda even contacted me on Slack asking about getting my advertiser to sponsor his new signature campaign group, so I'm not sure when it was labeled as evil. Nevertheless, rather than get into a public mud-slinging contest, I will leave it to the community to decide who is harassing who. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: robinH on August 18, 2016, 11:47:24 PM @ Luptin grow a pair
Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: cpfreeplz on August 18, 2016, 11:54:06 PM That's fucked up. None of this drama surprises me anymore, but two members of DT fighting (even though this has nothing to do with that list) isn't good. Is OGNasty going to get tagged for this? It seems like it's bad behavior at the least. I'm not fighting with anyone. I've made no prior mention of any of his harassment of me publicly on these forums. I was contacted on this forum, unsolicited, by Lutpin, who advised me to remove my signature and join Lauda's signature campaign group. When I refused, this situation unfolded. Lauda even contacted me on Slack asking about getting my advertiser to sponsor his new signature campaign group, so I'm not sure when it was labeled as evil. Nevertheless, rather than get into a public mud-slinging contest, I will leave it to the community to decide who is harassing who. It was unprofessional as a business owner to say he should kill himself. Obviously I hope you don't actually feel that way, nor do I take it very seriously. On the other hand who gives a shit what people advertise for? Like seriously there's a whole sub forum that should basically be called 'scams' but you can't advertise gambling websites because they had a major screw up? I've seen way bigger businesses have way bigger screw ups and people just stop using them, not flip out on the Internet. If you don't like who OgNasty is advertising for then you should have bid higher. Nuff said. He's not advertising a racist kiddy-porn Hitler loving website ffs. It's a bitcoin casino. They're all sketchy, but people love them because they're easy. Pick your battles. This isn't worth it. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Lauda on August 19, 2016, 12:03:54 AM If OgNasty doesn't confirm what I'm assuming in good faith then this is much more than bad behavior and he must be tagged. They didn't confirm it so far.Lauda even contacted me on Slack asking about getting my advertiser to sponsor his new signature campaign group, so I'm not sure when it was labeled as evil. I don't have any memory of contacting you regarding Betcoin sponsoring ACE. I highly doubt that ACE would advertise them (2 members dropped them anyways) anyways. I have contacted you regarding moneypot and your own rates (prior and current), that's it. Please keep me out of this as I have nothing to do with it.-snip- It seems like you've missed the point of this thread.Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: betlord90 on August 19, 2016, 12:06:31 AM That's fucked up. None of this drama surprises me anymore, but two members of DT fighting (even though this has nothing to do with that list) isn't good. Is OGNasty going to get tagged for this? It seems like it's bad behavior at the least. I'm not fighting with anyone. I've made no prior mention of any of his harassment of me publicly on these forums. I was contacted on this forum, unsolicited, by Lutpin, who advised me to remove my signature and join Lauda's signature campaign group. When I refused, this situation unfolded. Lauda even contacted me on Slack asking about getting my advertiser to sponsor his new signature campaign group, so I'm not sure when it was labeled as evil. Nevertheless, rather than get into a public mud-slinging contest, I will leave it to the community to decide who is harassing who. It was unprofessional as a business owner to say he should kill himself. Obviously I hope you don't actually feel that way, nor do I take it very seriously. On the other hand who gives a shit what people advertise for? Like seriously there's a whole sub forum that should basically be called 'scams' but you can't advertise gambling websites because they had a major screw up? I've seen way bigger businesses have way bigger screw ups and people just stop using them, not flip out on the Internet. If you don't like who OgNasty is advertising for then you should have bid higher. Nuff said. He's not advertising a racist kiddy-porn Hitler loving website ffs. It's a bitcoin casino. They're all sketchy, but people love them because they're easy. Pick your battles. This isn't worth it. If some of you didn't listen to a troller person well this commotion and conflict of interest will not gonna be happen. See for yourself what twitchyseal brought up as his past post history says. He was clearly paid shill man. He's doing dirty manipulating tricks here. Do you ever see people posting 59 pages of troll against one company? I think only twitchyseal is the only one. I think betcoin.ag's competitor is afraid because betcoin.ag gather more fame on casino business scene. Thats why paid twitchyshill are keeping attacking and attacking so he can give vad image to the said company. i know people are not blind here try to read for yourself the post history of twitchyseal telling that his account has been made just to attack the betcoin company. Cheer Up Man your on DT2 list you two shouldn't supposed to be throw some red paint to each other. Be an Example dont be one sided for a single person telling bad against one company. Black Propaganda is everywhere. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on August 19, 2016, 12:32:39 AM That's fucked up. None of this drama surprises me anymore, but two members of DT fighting (even though this has nothing to do with that list) isn't good. Is OGNasty going to get tagged for this? It seems like it's bad behavior at the least. I'm not fighting with anyone. I've made no prior mention of any of his harassment of me publicly on these forums. I was contacted on this forum, unsolicited, by Lutpin (I did not reach out to him as alleged above), who advised me to remove my signature and join Lauda's signature campaign group. When I refused, this situation unfolded. Lauda even contacted me on Slack asking about getting my advertiser to sponsor his new signature campaign group, so I'm not sure when it was labeled as evil. Nevertheless, rather than get into a public mud-slinging contest, I will leave it to the community to decide who is harassing who. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: game-protect on August 19, 2016, 01:59:45 AM I really don't like how OgNasty has been handling all this. He has accused others to threaten him while I consider his actions could be qualified more as that. As I've said before I think not advertising Betcoin would be much more responsible, especially for someone as trusted as OgNasty. But I don't think there are enough proof to demand it or to leave negative trust to him or others who promote it. OgNasty promotes it and it's somewhat disappointing but so be it. This has really came out of control. Can you please elaborate which part specifically you are not able to understand? _______________ Betcoin.ag Poker Terms of Service (https://www.betcoin.ag/support/betcoin-poker-terms-service-tos) (TOS) Quote BetcoinPoker.com advises You to read all of these documents carefully as each forms part of the legally binding agreement between You and BetcoinPoker.com -> It is juridical not possible to have a legally binding agreement with a domain name! Legally binding agreements are only possible between legal entities or private persons. The “Terms of Service” does also neither state the name of the operator nor a gambling license (if any exist), nothing! -> False and misleading statements are the criminal offense of fraud! Fraud Act 2016 2 Fraud by false representation (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/35/contents) (1) A person is in breach of this section if he— (a) dishonestly makes a false representation, and (b) intends, by making the representation— (i) to make a gain for himself or another, or (ii) to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss. (2) A representation is false if— (a) it is untrue or misleading, and (b) the person making it knows that it is, or might be, untrue or misleading. (3) “Representation” means any representation as to fact or law, including a representation as to the state of mind of— (a) the person making the representation, or (b) any other person. (4) A representation may be express or implied. (5) For the purposes of this section a representation may be regarded as made if it (or anything implying it) is submitted in any form to any system or device designed to receive, convey or respond to communications (with or without human intervention). Betcoin.ag governed in Hong Kong or Curacao or Costa Rica or nowhere? Quote 25. GOVERNING LAW These Agreements shall be governed by and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong. You irrevocably agree to submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of Curacao in The Netherlands Antilles for the settlement of any dispute or matters arising out of or concerning these Agreements or their enforceability. Based on what shall the alleged agreements with Betcoin.ag be governed and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong or Curacao? How could “These Agreements” be governed and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong, while online gambling is not allowed in Hong Kong? Does this make sense? If the Betcoin.ag operation shall be governed by and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong, why do you need to irrevocably agree to submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of Curacao? http://www0.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=17808949 Wait, Betcoin.ag scam Casino Terms of Service (https://www.betcoin.ag/support/betcoin-casino-terms-service) (TOS) Quote The Agreement and any matters relating hereto shall be governed by, and construed in accordance with the laws of Costa Rica. Each party irrevocably agrees that the relevant courts of Costa Rica shall have exclusive jurisdiction in relation to any claim, dispute or difference between them concerning the Agreement and any matter arising hereunder. 1, 2 or 3, you have to decide, 3 fields are free! So where is it now? Hong Kong or Curacao or Costa Rica or nowhere? Who is the operator of Betcoin.ag? Why is the name not stated on their website? Do you feel comfortable to send your Bitcoins to something while you do not know who the operator is? Here is a guy who won a huge Jackpot, but of course did not receive it: BetSoft Non-Payment of Jackpot (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1517648.0) _______________ Just to let you know, until today they were not able to disapprove any of the statements above. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Quickseller on August 19, 2016, 02:36:48 AM This whole situation appears to be a complete clusterfuck. Both sides are accusing the other of bad faith (and much worse).
First of all, I absolutely do not condone someone telling someone else that they "should kill himself", I do not think there is any good reason to make this kind of comment. This is something that I would consider when considering doing business with someone. With this being said, everyone does make mistakes, and everyone gets frustrated, if this truly is an isolated incident, no personal information gets released absent some kind of trade dispute, and OgNasty apologizes, then I think everyone can get past this incident. The fact that Lutpin was told something very inappropriate does not absolve him from the kind of business practices he is alleged to have engaged in doing. I have long been suspicious of Lutpin, have looked into him, but have never come across an accusation of this kind of business activity -- this is not to say that these allegations are untrue, or unfounded. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: bitkilo on August 19, 2016, 03:17:56 AM ~snip~ Not taking anyone's side in this but i have been seeing the situation regarding the 2 members in question unfolding for weeks now and can say it is only getting worse for both parties, let's put a stop to any harassment or accusations now.It has to stop, right now and right here. And no releasing anyone's DOX please, things don't need to go so far :) Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Vod on August 19, 2016, 04:04:40 AM People who make threats over the internet are most always cowards.
I wouldn't worry a single second over it. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 19, 2016, 04:20:24 AM First of all, I absolutely do not condone someone telling someone else that they "should kill himself" Agreed. Lutpin, despite what I may or may not think of you and your behavior, suggesting you kill yourself, even if being sarcastic, was not appropriate and I am sorry I made the comment. If you killed yourself as a result of my statement, I would certainly lose sleep over it and feel a great deal of guilt. While I tend to think people are a little too sensitive these days, my own beliefs don't excuse me from perceived threats and I'm sorry that you thought I was threatening you, I wasn't. Rather than asking you to provide IP evidence it was me who made the comment, I've taken responsibility for my actions and apologized. I should not have said that you should kill yourself. I did, and I am sorry. And no releasing anyone's DOX please, things don't need to go so far :) At no point did I ever threaten to DOX Lutpin. I would also dispute his claim that he tried to do anything to de-escalate the situation as I have gotten no communication from him outside of telling me to remove the signature and join Lauda's signature advertising group. In fact, we haven't had any interaction at all for several days until I saw him create this thread and leave me negative trust today. People who make threats over the internet are most always cowards. I wouldn't worry a single second over it. Agreed. My comment that he should kill himself was not meant as a threat, and he has no reason to fear bodily harm from me. Hopefully this post relieves some of his stress as nobody's health should be effected by forum drama. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: bitkilo on August 19, 2016, 05:07:30 AM First of all, I absolutely do not condone someone telling someone else that they "should kill himself" Agreed. Lutpin, despite what I may or may not think of you and your behavior, suggesting you kill yourself, even if being sarcastic, was not appropriate and I am sorry I made the comment. If you killed yourself as a result of my statement, I would certainly lose sleep over it and feel a great deal of guilt. While I tend to think people are a little too sensitive these days, my own beliefs don't excuse me from perceived threats and I'm sorry that you thought I was threatening you, I wasn't. Rather than asking you to provide IP evidence it was me who made the comment like I'm being asked, I've taken responsibility for my actions and apologized. I should not have said that you should kill yourself. I did, and I am sorry. You had the balls to man up and apologize, now that an apology has been made everyone can move on with their life's as i am sure everyone involved has better things to do than forum fighting. All the best :) Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: barrysty1e on August 19, 2016, 05:11:50 AM It saddens me that I feel the need to write this thread. What you're seeing right here is the result of a conflict that has been going on for way too long now. A conflict which I never intended to, and one which I did everything remotely possible to avoid, but frankly, no matter how hard I tried, it failed. Taking things out in public isn't normally my way, but hands down, I tried sorting this out, over and over again, and this is the last option I see for myself. Everything began a few days ago, when out of the blue I was contacted by OgNasty about their current struggles with TwitchySeal/game-protect/et al. Their messages included vague threats in my direction ("I am disappointed with you and while I move slowly, I cut deep."), aswell as a lot of stuff that did not make sense to me. I was shocked and confused, it seemed like a big misunderstanding to me. A full transcript of the first night can be found here -> https://i.snag.gy/ro4AOi.jpg (This is 100% authentic information, which can be confirmed by trusted members.) I immediately contacted a few guys to try help me putting any sense to it and consulted several members of staff about this, as I wanted to know what exactly was going down. None had any idea about what was happening or what exactly OgNasty was talking about. As time passed by, I realized that OgNasty believes I'm the person in control of the accounts TwitchySeal, game-protect, aswell as some others. A believe which is not only wrong, but also backed up by no evidence whatsoever. Theymos came in on the situation. They can confirm that there are no IP evidences connecting me to either of these accounts and that there's no further reason to believe I am connected to any of them in any given way. Meanwhile, OgNasty was looking into ways to release my address on the forum. An address they got for shipping purposes (I've ordered coins a few time from them) and further, an address that has nothing to do on this forum or in public in general. I'm shocked they even tried getting the allowance to do so. To me, that's been a major brech of trust I gave them when trading with them. Further, one night, without me around, they've had the following conversation in the #cryptocurrency-collectors channel (FreeNode/Slack), which started with the words "<ognasty> @lutpin: Really should kill himself." Code: <Slck><ognasty> @lutpin: Really should kill himself. As to this day, even with theymos trying to get a hand on the situation, nothing has changed to the better, I feel no other way than going public with this situation. This has been going on for too long, it's starting to affect my health. I want nothing else than this to stop, I had nothing to do with the people harassing you. It has to stop, right now and right here. just read this; threats are definitely no good. have you launched 25 alts yourself or is this a fabricated claim? Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Omegasun on August 19, 2016, 05:18:32 AM First of all, I absolutely do not condone someone telling someone else that they "should kill himself" Agreed. Lutpin, despite what I may or may not think of you and your behavior, suggesting you kill yourself, even if being sarcastic, was not appropriate and I am sorry I made the comment. If you killed yourself as a result of my statement, I would certainly lose sleep over it and feel a great deal of guilt. While I tend to think people are a little too sensitive these days, my own beliefs don't excuse me from perceived threats and I'm sorry that you thought I was threatening you, I wasn't. Rather than asking you to provide IP evidence it was me who made the comment like I'm being asked, I've taken responsibility for my actions and apologized. I should not have said that you should kill yourself. I did, and I am sorry. You had the balls to man up and apologize, now that an apology has been made everyone can move on with their life's as i am sure everyone involved has better things to do than forum fighting. All the best :) yes i salute Ognasty even though he didn't intend to threat. btw how that you kill a threat if he say go and kill yourself? i will understand if he says that i kill you.. hahaha. i think lutpin take it seriously. btw this must be case closed and removed the negative feedback in each other. The lesson here is to avoid interfering others life and just focus to yours. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Lutpin on August 19, 2016, 09:42:46 AM First of all, I absolutely do not condone someone telling someone else that they "should kill himself" Agreed. Lutpin, despite what I may or may not think of you and your behavior, suggesting you kill yourself, even if being sarcastic, was not appropriate and I am sorry I made the comment. If you killed yourself as a result of my statement, I would certainly lose sleep over it and feel a great deal of guilt. While I tend to think people are a little too sensitive these days, my own beliefs don't excuse me from perceived threats and I'm sorry that you thought I was threatening you, I wasn't. Rather than asking you to provide IP evidence it was me who made the comment, I've taken responsibility for my actions and apologized. I should not have said that you should kill yourself. I did, and I am sorry.However, I also did not expect you to apologize for this, but you did. I stand corrected, and even if this might just be the public pressure, I appreciate the apology. Maybe this can be a first step. And no releasing anyone's DOX please, things don't need to go so far At no point did I ever threaten to DOX Lutpin. I would also dispute his claim that he tried to do anything to de-escalate the situation as I have gotten no communication from him outside of telling me to remove the signature and join Lauda's signature advertising group. In fact, we haven't had any interaction at all for several days until I saw him create this thread and leave me negative trust today.To me, this was clearly the sign that I couldn't do it on my own, so I stopped bothering. As I had immediately contacted Mitchell, who redirected this to theymos not shortly after, I was putting all my hope in theymos getting a hand on the situation. After all, theymos has more information than we all together, they could bring forward IP evidence and further indications, which all point towards me not having to do anything with the accounts you accuse me of controlling. When this had however (from my perspective, from what I could see) failed and you kept going after me, PMing my business and private contacts on this forum in a try to remove me from any position I currently hold, I saw no other option than posting this thread. I did feel and I still do feel backed against a corner. I am considering dipping my toe into signature campaign management. I think my reputation and trust level would be a considerable upgrade for you, and I'd like to know if you have any interest in me becoming a new advertiser and campaign manager for you. Thank you for your time. At what point will people begin being concerned that Lutpin is taking over the signature campaign management of this forum by attacking competitors with alt accounts until they give in and let him manage their campaigns? He's literally deriving an income now from extorting signature campaigns into hiring him or else they face the wrath of his alt accounts torment. He even started an account "game-protect" to try and sell a service where he extorts online gambling houses into paying him or else they get attacked. I'm surprised it's gone unnoticed so long, but after a quick look at the signature campaign market, it's obvious this user has made a reputation for himself by using alternate accounts to further his agenda. Lutpin/TwitchySeal/game-protect is literally just attacking any account who advertises signatures from campaigns he isn't running... Just take a look at some of their feedbacks to see just how obvious and ridiculous his scam has gotten: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=154329 I'd rather not have to enter the signature campaign management arena just to put him out of business and try to return some honest behavior to this dark corner of the forum, so I'm open to ideas about how else to combat this problem. ~snip~ There are threads for posting stuff like that on this forum, this is none of them.Please keep your posts where they belong, your actions have caused me enough trouble as it is. @ Luptin grow a pair This comment is highly inappropriate, but you know that yourself.-snip- It seems like you've missed the point of this thread.The fact that Lutpin was told something very inappropriate does not absolve him from the kind of business practices he is alleged to have engaged in doing. I have long been suspicious of Lutpin, have looked into him, but have never come across an accusation of this kind of business activity -- this is not to say that these allegations are untrue, or unfounded. I don't know where they come from, but I'm well aware of your suspicions towards me. I had them in mind when consulting you about this situation earlier.I fear neither you, nor anyone else, "looking into me", as there is nothing to find, regardless how deep you might be digging. Everyone, feel free to search yourself. Honesty and transparency have always been key points to me when acting on this forum (that is the truth, you might believe it or not, that's up to you to decide). ~snip~ Not taking anyone's side in this but i have been seeing the situation regarding the 2 members in question unfolding for weeks now and can say it is only getting worse for both parties, let's put a stop to any harassment or accusations now.It has to stop, right now and right here. I want to get this situation over with, tell me how I can achieve this. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TruthBeTold on August 19, 2016, 11:16:15 AM Lutpin, you brought this on yourself, and you are solely responsible for the position you are in.
For a longer period now, you have tried (and succeeded) in manipulating people and campaigns of what's right and what's wrong , who's to blame, and who's not. I'm confident you did in fact collude with twitchy in order to annoy people to insanity until something like the above statement from ognasty happened. Now you are butthurt that someone didn't want to act like you told him to, and are crying to people all over forum of what he said (YOU two irritated him to that point!) The whole thing would not have happened if dooglus was a tad smarter. Him placing you on DT was like giving a knife to a child and saying : "Do something with it.. ! " This situation is quite easy to understand, you are a manipulating snug, that begged his way to (virtual) high trust https://s3.postimg.io/fqgrex2jn/fag.jpg and since getting on to DT, the situation escalated, to the point where campaigns that want to start here feel forced to ask you to manage them, in order not to be attacked. (indirectly ofc, you're smarter than that.) There's nothing I want more right now, OgNasty, what do I have to do to put an end to this once and for all? I want to get this situation over with, tell me how I can achieve this. Yeah, now that you managed to force DT1 member to remove his signature .. once again you managed to get away with your brute force. Hope people aren't dumb enough not to notice this. tl;dr version You WANTED this to happen, so that you could publicly question OgNasty's integrity. Anyone with IQ higher than 1 can see that. But guess what - people don't appreciate the fact that you are forcing yourself on them, you and your band of alts, cult followers or whatever the hell that is. Solution to the situation is simple, imo - remove negatives from each others (use neutrals if you have to, no one is scammer here) , go each seperate ways, and for the love of God , dooglus, remove Lutpin from DT - such an annoying , irritating, manipulative, childish little twat does not deserve to be there! *ID known to staff. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Joel_Jantsen on August 19, 2016, 11:47:01 AM Lutpin, you brought this on yourself, and you are solely responsible for the position you are in. How ? OgNasty threatened him to take severe actions if he "doesn't stop his fight for the right thing".You can read the slack conversations and see how OgNasty is given him continuous threats of the actions he could take and how badly it would end for Lutpin.He did the same in the Twitchy Seal's case.Asking someone to stop advertising a scam is not "bringing stuff on one's self".Being trusted doesn't me they're free to advertise a scam.For a longer period now, you have tried (and succeeded) in manipulating people and campaigns of what's right and what's wrong , who's to blame, and who's not. Now you're bringing your personal grudges with Lutpin into this.The fact that you're hiding beind a newbie accounts shows how insecure you're and not audacious enough to voice your opinion in public.Grow a pair,bro.I'm confident you did in fact collude with twitchy in order to annoy people to insanity until something like the above statement from ognasty happened. The whole thing would not have happened if dooglus was a tad smarter. Him placing you on DT was like giving a knife to a child and saying : "Do something with it.. ! " Was it doog ? You sure ? As far as I know ,it was Blaze who put Lutpin on the DT.This situation is quite easy to understand, you are a manipulating snug, that begged his way to (virtual) high trust The fact that he accepted you/your alt in his campaign shows he was quite neutral about you.You're being a back bitter by attacking someone who pays you every week.That feedback does matter,of course dumbass he is paying you money every week!Unless you're on DT,that feedback wouldn't mean shit.https://s3.postimg.io/fqgrex2jn/fag.jpg and since getting on to DT, the situation escalated, to the point where campaigns that want to start here feel forced to ask you to manage them, in order not to be attacked. (indirectly ofc, you're smarter than that.) I can still see a lot of campaigns managed and run by their respective owners/newbies and or other campaign managers.You WANTED this to happen, so that you could publicly question OgNasty's integrity. Anyone with IQ higher than 1 can see that. That is the right thing to do when someone asks you to "kill yourself" and gives you constant threats.Especially when they have your Doxx!But guess what - people don't appreciate the fact that you are forcing yourself on them, you and your band of alts, cult followers or whatever the hell that is. Solution to the situation is simple, imo - remove negatives from each others (use neutrals if you have to, no one is scammer here) , go each seperate ways, and You mean put scammers on the leash?Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TruthBeTold on August 19, 2016, 12:18:24 PM Lutpin, you brought this on yourself, and you are solely responsible for the position you are in. How ? OgNasty threatened him to take severe actions if he "doesn't stop his fight for the right thing".You can read the slack conversations and see how OgNasty is given him continuous threats of the actions he could take and how badly it would end for Lutpin.He did the same in the Twitchy Seal's case.Asking someone to stop advertising a scam is not "bringing stuff on one's self".Being trusted doesn't me they're free to advertise a scam.And what preceded that ? A bunch of Twitchy and Lutpin attempts in forcing their opinion on the rest. For a longer period now, you have tried (and succeeded) in manipulating people and campaigns of what's right and what's wrong , who's to blame, and who's not. Now you're bringing your personal grudges with Lutpin into this.The fact that you're hiding beind a newbie accounts shows how insecure you're and not audacious enough to voice your opinion in public.Grow a pair,bro.I'm confident you did in fact collude with twitchy in order to annoy people to insanity until something like the above statement from ognasty happened. I am not the one who started crying out to whole forum based on an obvious "fuck off from me bro" Lutpin needs to grow a pair. This situation is quite easy to understand, you are a manipulating snug, that begged his way to (virtual) high trust The fact that he accepted you/your alt in his campaign shows he was quite neutral about you.You're being a back bitter by attacking someone who pays you every week.That feedback does matter,of course dumbass he is paying you money every week!Unless you're on DT,that feedback wouldn't mean shit.https://s3.postimg.io/fqgrex2jn/fag.jpg Don't try to make this about me. I just wanted to show how majority of Lutpin +rep is begged out of. You WANTED this to happen, so that you could publicly question OgNasty's integrity. Anyone with IQ higher than 1 can see that. That is the right thing to do when someone asks you to "kill yourself" and gives you constant threats.Especially when they have your Doxx!But guess what - people don't appreciate the fact that you are forcing yourself on them, you and your band of alts, cult followers or whatever the hell that is. Constant threats ? It was Lutpin and twitchy that constantly attacked ognasty - not the other way around. Stop misrepresenting the truth. Slack convo was just an endgame, og was attacked daily way before that. Solution to the situation is simple, imo - remove negatives from each others (use neutrals if you have to, no one is scammer here) , go each seperate ways, and You mean put scammers on the leash?You're saying Og is a scammer ? Dude you have some serious problems. Og is the only one who stood up to Lutpins abuse of DT status. The few things Lutpin did right in his history does not give him right to extort and manipulate people like he is trying to do, he should not be allowed a position on DT - period. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: actmyname on August 19, 2016, 01:36:30 PM How is it that as soon as a situation unfolds, people are always accused of having a mass of alternate accounts? It's simply illogical and takes from your argument (or lack thereof, in most cases).
And what preceded that ? A bunch of Twitchy and Lutpin attempts in forcing their opinion on the rest. I'm not sure that telling people not to advertise a scummy site with a huge history of problems which were exposed with evidence is "forcing their opinion". I sure as hell wouldn't want someone respected to be advertising a ponzi, for lack of a better comparison. Don't try to make this about me. I just wanted to show how majority of Lutpin +rep is begged out of. And this untrusted feedback allows him to... (Also, are you going to quote that original post, or not?) And Luptin Look at your trust ratings, you're just engaged with shit tons of drama. I feel bad for you. What drama? He just hate people's who don't like him.I think Luptin have shit tons of alt account to support him.Og-nasty should just ignore his alt's ! Edit : I feel like Mexxer-2(Alt of luptin) going to pop up soon. 1. List his alts. You should be able to prove at least one link, if Lutpin (which you spell incorrectly) has that many alternate accounts. 2. This is ridiculous and unwarranted. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: DarkStar_ on August 19, 2016, 01:40:47 PM I think Og-nasty did the right thing.Someone else should've been did that in the past.Luptin just give people negative trust to harass them. Seems like someone's salty... Slightly off topic, but I feel your trust feedback is valid and not just to harrass you. Also prove that those 2 are alts, or stop claiming it.He just hate people's who don't like him.I think Luptin have shit tons of alt account to support him.Og-nasty should just ignore his alt's ! And Luptin Look at your trust ratings, you're just engaged with shit tons of drama. I feel bad for you. Edit : I feel like Mexxer-2(Alt of luptin) going to pop up soon. @TruthBeTold - Saying something like leaving a positive feedback would be appreciated isn't forcing or close to that, it's just a suggestion. No one forces you to do anything in that case. Most Crypto-Games.net campaigns might have left one (including me) because they thought that after being paid a certain amount, they would be trustworthy to them. Their feedback usually won't mean anything as well, since most aren't on DT. If you are, you can always put ~NameOfDTPerson in your trust list to no longer see their ratings as trusted. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TwitchySeal on August 19, 2016, 02:26:25 PM First of all, I absolutely do not condone someone telling someone else that they "should kill himself" Agreed. Lutpin, despite what I may or may not think of you and your behavior, suggesting you kill yourself, even if being sarcastic, was not appropriate and I am sorry I made the comment. If you killed yourself as a result of my statement, I would certainly lose sleep over it and feel a great deal of guilt. While I tend to think people are a little too sensitive these days, my own beliefs don't excuse me from perceived threats and I'm sorry that you thought I was threatening you, I wasn't. Rather than asking you to provide IP evidence it was me who made the comment, I've taken responsibility for my actions and apologized. I should not have said that you should kill yourself. I did, and I am sorry. And no releasing anyone's DOX please, things don't need to go so far :) At no point did I ever threaten to DOX Lutpin. I would also dispute his claim that he tried to do anything to de-escalate the situation as I have gotten no communication from him outside of telling me to remove the signature and join Lauda's signature advertising group. In fact, we haven't had any interaction at all for several days until I saw him create this thread and leave me negative trust today. People who make threats over the internet are most always cowards. I wouldn't worry a single second over it. Agreed. My comment that he should kill himself was not meant as a threat, and he has no reason to fear bodily harm from me. Hopefully this post relieves some of his stress as nobody's health should be effected by forum drama. Do you still think Lutpin and I are the same person, or has Theymos' findings changed your mind? Do you still believe the accusations you've made against Lutpin and myself could not possibly be false? Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TruthBeTold on August 19, 2016, 02:53:07 PM Do you still think Lutpin and I are the same person, or has Theymos' findings changed your mind? Do you still believe the accusations you've made against Lutpin and myself could not possibly be false? Not sharing an IP donesn't mean you are not colluding with one another. You and your constant flaming,spamming and attacking are the main reason why he said what he said. Did you not annoy OgNasty to insanity with your constant spamming ?? Did you not force him to abandon campaign ? There is nothing false about that. Now fu?k off weirdo. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TwitchySeal on August 19, 2016, 03:07:27 PM Do you still think Lutpin and I are the same person, or has Theymos' findings changed your mind? Do you still believe the accusations you've made against Lutpin and myself could not possibly be false? Not sharing an IP donesn't mean you are not colluding with one another. You and your constant flaming,spamming and attacking are the main reason why he said what he said. Did you not annoy OgNasty to insanity with your constant spamming ?? Did you not force him to abandon campaign ? There is nothing false about that. Now fu?k off weirdo. I agree, just because two accounts use seperate IPs doesn't mean they can't be the same person. That's why I asked him what he thinks. As for the rest of your post, I'm happy to address any and all accusations made against me - but not in this thread. Feel free to create a thread or post in one more appropriate. Betcoin.ag Retaliates (Collection of scam accusations against me) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1554082.0) [Beware] TwitchySeal: Abuses his Rep, replies to his own posts with alts, etc (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1554617.0) Also worth mentioning, I've posted my entire pm history (including screen shots) with OgNasty in OP of this thread. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1582065.0) Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 19, 2016, 05:54:07 PM There's nothing I want more right now, OgNasty, what do I have to do to put an end to this once and for all? I want to get this situation over with, tell me how I can achieve this. Admit this sequence of events began when you contacted me, unsolicited, telling me to remove my signature and advising me to join Lauda's signature ad group and that your claim, "Everything began a few days ago, when out of the blue I was contacted by OgNasty about their current struggles with TwitchySeal/game-protect/et al" is nothing more than a lie. Admit at no point did you ever provide any evidence to your claim about my advertiser, and instead took the approach that I do what you say or face consequences. Admit that even though you provided no evidence, I still agreed to remove my signature out of good faith and respect for your opinion when my agreement was over, and that was not good enough for you. Admit that I haven't posted a single private message you sent to me or done anything else that could be seen as a breech of trust, even though you haven't shown me the same courtesy. Admit that at no point did I threaten to DOX you to anyone. Admit that I wasn't in slack/irc or posting on the forum for a week, and despite your claims of, "A conflict which I never intended to, and one which I did everything remotely possible to avoid, but frankly, no matter how hard I tried, it failed" you in fact haven't even sent me a message and instead posted negative trust on my account, posted more private messages that were sent to your alt accounts, and started this thread pretending to be the victim. What part of that was you trying to avoid a conflict? Remove the negative trust you have placed on my account, apologize for your behavior, stop making threads about me, stop harassing me with alt accounts, stop bothering theymos with your drama, and conduct yourself like an honorable person. Your words and your behavior doesn't match. I've admitted to and apologized for everything I did, I even changed my signature, showing that even though you started this, I'm willing to be the first to try and end it. Now it's your turn. Admit what you did wrong, and apologize. I've even started you off with a nice little list of things I can prove, although I'd feel much better about the situation if your apology went further. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Vod on August 19, 2016, 08:10:51 PM And yet another Quickseller alt jumps into the conversation. ::)
Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: noone000 on August 19, 2016, 08:25:59 PM And yet another Quickseller alt jumps into the conversation. ::) Who would that be?Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: RHavar on August 19, 2016, 10:11:42 PM I don't like drama, but I do feel compelled to weigh in.
A while ago (2016-05-19) , I left TwitchySeal some positive feedback: Quote One of the sane ones. An asset to the bitcoin gambling community I honestly forgot why, but it was probably to do with one of his posts around that time. Anyway, recently I get a PM from OgNasty telling me I should remove my feedback because TwitchySeal is an extortionist. When I asked him for some more information, he basically refused and pressed on with what is arguably thinly veiled extortion of his own: "Stupid extortion plan" Here you go: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1582065.0 I'm missing the bit with extortion? I don't share PMs, as I consider that a breach of trust. However, they indeed did present me with an ultimatum that I consider an extortion attempt. Either way, let me know if you don't want to remove the trust rating and I'll just remove my trust of Mitchell so that I can get him out of my trust network that way. No hard feelings against you either way. I just figured asking you would be better than disconnecting myself with Mitchell, who I did think was trustworthy. Not any kind of problem though. Good luck with you in the future. Always nice to speak with another Bitcoin enthusiast. I never left him negative feedback, as his trade and escrow history gives me the impression he is otherwise an honest guy. But I do take issue with the way he attempted to strong arm me into removing my feedback. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on August 19, 2016, 10:33:40 PM I don't like drama, but I do feel compelled to weigh in. That doesn't seem like strong-arming to me, or else I'm missing something. Nor does it seem like extortion. OGNasty didn't threaten any trust against you at all. He was just--from what I'm seeing in the text you posted--asking you to remove your feedback. I've had people PM me multiple times with the same general requests and some really did threaten to leave me negs and some did. For all else that OGN did here, I don't think his note to you adds to this.A while ago (2016-05-19) , I left TwitchySeal some positive feedback: Quote One of the sane ones. An asset to the bitcoin gambling community I honestly forgot why, but it was probably to do with one of his posts around that time. Anyway, recently I get a PM from OgNasty telling me I should remove my feedback because TwitchySeal is an extortionist. When I asked him for some more information, he basically refused and pressed on with what is arguably thinly veiled extortion of his own: "Stupid extortion plan" Here you go: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1582065.0 I'm missing the bit with extortion? I don't share PMs, as I consider that a breach of trust. However, they indeed did present me with an ultimatum that I consider an extortion attempt. Either way, let me know if you don't want to remove the trust rating and I'll just remove my trust of Mitchell so that I can get him out of my trust network that way. No hard feelings against you either way. I just figured asking you would be better than disconnecting myself with Mitchell, who I did think was trustworthy. Not any kind of problem though. Good luck with you in the future. Always nice to speak with another Bitcoin enthusiast. I never left him negative feedback, as his trade and escrow history gives me the impression he is otherwise an honest guy. But I do take issue with the way he attempted to strong arm me into removing my feedback. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: DarkStar_ on August 19, 2016, 10:40:31 PM I don't like drama, but I do feel compelled to weigh in. That doesn't seem like strong-arming to me, or else I'm missing something. Nor does it seem like extortion. OGNasty didn't threaten any trust against you at all. He was just--from what I'm seeing in the text you posted--asking you to remove your feedback. I've had people PM me multiple times with the same general requests and some really did threaten to leave me negs and some did. For all else that OGN did here, I don't think his note to you adds to this.A while ago (2016-05-19) , I left TwitchySeal some positive feedback: Quote One of the sane ones. An asset to the bitcoin gambling community I honestly forgot why, but it was probably to do with one of his posts around that time. Anyway, recently I get a PM from OgNasty telling me I should remove my feedback because TwitchySeal is an extortionist. When I asked him for some more information, he basically refused and pressed on with what is arguably thinly veiled extortion of his own: "Stupid extortion plan" Here you go: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1582065.0 I'm missing the bit with extortion? I don't share PMs, as I consider that a breach of trust. However, they indeed did present me with an ultimatum that I consider an extortion attempt. Either way, let me know if you don't want to remove the trust rating and I'll just remove my trust of Mitchell so that I can get him out of my trust network that way. No hard feelings against you either way. I just figured asking you would be better than disconnecting myself with Mitchell, who I did think was trustworthy. Not any kind of problem though. Good luck with you in the future. Always nice to speak with another Bitcoin enthusiast. I never left him negative feedback, as his trade and escrow history gives me the impression he is otherwise an honest guy. But I do take issue with the way he attempted to strong arm me into removing my feedback. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 19, 2016, 10:48:25 PM Anyway, recently I get a PM from OgNasty telling me I should remove my feedback because TwitchySeal is an extortionist. That was a courtesy. People ask me to remove people from my trust list all the time and present their case. I am usually happy to assist by removing my trust if there is a legitimate reason and am even thankful when something like that is brought to my attention. I was showing you that I wanted to keep you in my trust network, but wanted to remove TwitchySeal, as he was actively harassing me. Again, this was a courtesy to you and I thought you would be appreciative. Not sure why you'd see it as some sort of an attack and not a friendly sharing of information. It was again, an attempt to keep you in my trust network, as in, I wanted to trust you. Why you felt the need to break that trust and share bits of a PM with some sort of spin that I was attempting to extort you, I'll leave for the community to speculate on. No hard feelings against you either way. I just figured asking you would be better than disconnecting myself with Mitchell, who I did think was trustworthy. Not any kind of problem though. Good luck with you in the future. Always nice to speak with another Bitcoin enthusiast. Please tell me which part of this you considered extortion. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: RHavar on August 19, 2016, 10:56:45 PM That was a courtesy. People ask me to remove people from my trust list all the time and present their case. I am usually happy to assist by removing my trust if there is a legitimate reason and am even thankful when something like that is brought to my attention. I would've been willing to do the same, but you didn't exactly present a case for me to look at. You just stated it as fact, and threatened to remove mitchell from your trust network if I did not. FWIW, I'm still completely open to this. Present me a decent case of why I should remove TwitchySeal and I will do so. Quote It was again, an attempt to keep you in my trust network, as in, I wanted to trust you. Why you felt the need to break that trust and share a PM with some sort of spin that I was attempting to extort you, I'll leave for the community to speculate on. Let's be honest for a second, this isn't about your trust network. You already gave TwitchySeal negative trust, it's not like you're going to accidentally trust him. It's rather apparent you only wanted me to remove my trust to make him appear red by default. And you knew threatening to exclude Mitchell is a far stronger deterrent than threatening to exclude me. And the reason I'm posting it is not a sinister secret as you make it sound. I take issue with your behavior against Lutpin and felt I should support him. And for the record I have never talked to Lutpin or TwitchySeal about any of this, nor have any relationship with them in any form. You're obviously not a scammer or even an untrustworthy person, but you've let your whole vendetta against TwitchySeal completely blind you. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Quickseller on August 19, 2016, 11:07:43 PM I don't see any extortion attempt in the PM from OgNasty to rhaver. I personally will exclude anyone in my trust network who has a lot of people in their trust network who are leaving ratings that I feel are not appropriate (in some cases, this may only involve one person). This forces more accountability in one's trust list.
On the issue of releasing PMs, I do not consider it a breach of trust when someone releases a PM, provided there was no agreement to keep information contained in a PM private, although as a general rule, I only consider a PM to be private if it is GPG encrypted to my GPG key and/or is a privnote link. Even if you trust the person you are sending a PM to enough to not release PMs, you should absolutely not trust that a PM will never get released. There are plenty of instances in which PMs could be made public that does not involve either the sender nor the recipient; theymos, BadBear, and anyone else who is given administrative access to the forum can read any PM, there have been reports that 20% of the PMs were for sale along with the member tables (which include IP addresses and PW hashes that was leaked last year), and the forum has previously been hacked for extended periods of time without detection in the past (during which, PMs would presumably be available to the hacker). Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 19, 2016, 11:10:38 PM That was a courtesy. People ask me to remove people from my trust list all the time and present their case. I am usually happy to assist by removing my trust if there is a legitimate reason and am even thankful when something like that is brought to my attention. I would've been willing to do the same, but you didn't exactly present a case for me to look at. You just stated it as fact, and threatened to remove mitchell from your trust network if I did not. As I stated, I don't quote private messages out of respect for people's privacy, even if they are in the wrong and harassing me. I assumed you would take my word for it, but said it was fine if you didn't want to. Quote It was again, an attempt to keep you in my trust network, as in, I wanted to trust you. Why you felt the need to break that trust and share a PM with some sort of spin that I was attempting to extort you, I'll leave for the community to speculate on. Let's be honest for a second, this isn't about your trust network. You already gave TwitchySeal negative trust, it's not like you're going to accidentally trust him. It's rather apparent you only wanted me to remove my trust to make him appear red by default. And you knew threatening to exclude Mitchell is a far stronger deterrent than threatening to exclude me. As you said, I had already marked TwitchySeal with negative trust. It was a courtesy to you as I assumed you wouldn't want to condone that type of behavior, and I even reassured you that you didn't have to do anything and there would be no hard feelings. No hard feelings against you either way. I just figured asking you would be better than disconnecting myself with Mitchell, who I did think was trustworthy. Not any kind of problem though. Good luck with you in the future. Always nice to speak with another Bitcoin enthusiast. Again, which part struck you as an extortion attempt?(BELOW COMMENT IS NOT DIRECTED AT RHavar but a general observation!) Ironically, this situation is very similar to me being asked to remove my signature. Only difference is that I didn't threaten if anyone refused to act, I didn't make threads about anyone, I didn't make any private messages public, and I didn't strike first or at all with negative feedback. Had I done those things, I would certainly be guilty of whatever I've accused TwitchySeal of doing. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: RHavar on August 19, 2016, 11:16:59 PM Ironically, this situation is very similar to me being asked to remove my signature. Only difference is that I didn't threaten you if you refused to act, I didn't make threads about you, I didn't make the private messages public, and I didn't strike first or at all with negative feedback. Had I done those things, I would certainly be guilty of whatever I've accused TwitchySeal of doing. I never asked you to remove your signature, nor started a thread about you, nor left you any (negative) feedback at all. Perhaps I woeful misread the intention of your message, it just felt to me like: "Remove your negative trust of TwitchySeal so he gets red trust, or I will try punish you by going after those who trusted you" but perhaps I woefully misread it, in which case I do apologize. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: CryptoDatabase on August 19, 2016, 11:20:29 PM Anyway, recently I get a PM from OgNasty telling me I should remove my feedback because TwitchySeal is an extortionist. That was a courtesy. People ask me to remove people from my trust list all the time and present their case. I am usually happy to assist by removing my trust if there is a legitimate reason and am even thankful when something like that is brought to my attention. I was showing you that I wanted to keep you in my trust network, but wanted to remove TwitchySeal, as he was actively harassing me. Again, this was a courtesy to you and I thought you would be appreciative. Not sure why you'd see it as some sort of an attack and not a friendly sharing of information. It was again, an attempt to keep you in my trust network, as in, I wanted to trust you. Why you felt the need to break that trust and share bits of a PM with some sort of spin that I was attempting to extort you, I'll leave for the community to speculate on. No hard feelings against you either way. I just figured asking you would be better than disconnecting myself with Mitchell, who I did think was trustworthy. Not any kind of problem though. Good luck with you in the future. Always nice to speak with another Bitcoin enthusiast. Please tell me which part of this you considered extortion. "Remove your trust from him or ill remove Mitchell" <-- Don't play stupid you know full well that is blackmail/extortion. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 19, 2016, 11:22:24 PM perhaps I woefully misread it, in which case I do apologize. Thank you for the apology, I appreciate it. Misunderstandings happen. Like I said, I have no hard feelings against you either way. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: RHavar on August 19, 2016, 11:35:04 PM I didn't make the private messages public To address this point directly, as it's been brought up a few times. Firstly I never agreed to keep the contents secret, and made an effort to make sure it wasn't taken out of context. I also used discretion and didn't release (or even share with anyone) with the other things you said that it seems you'd rather not be made public. ;D Also had I *not* shared the PM with context, it would've been far more damaging and dishonest. I could have merely summarized it as "OgNasty threatened me by saying he would remove Mitchells trust unless I helped him make TwitchySeals red". Instead I gave you the courtesy of sharing the exact wording in which allowed people like Quickseller and The Pharmacist to disagree with my interpretation (which very well might be wrong). And for the record, I find the whole idea of "I won't share the contents of PMS" but "I will summarize them" absolutely hypocritical. You repeatedly accuse TwitchySeals of extortion/threats, but won't share anything that will allow people to make up their own minds as messages are supposedly sacred and confidential. Well either they're confidential and you don't talk about them, or they're not and you can share them. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 19, 2016, 11:56:26 PM And for the record, I find the whole idea of "I won't share the contents of PMS" but "I will summarize them" absolutely hypocritical. You are free to have that opinion. I will continue to not hold it against you. I will also continue to not share PMs as I feel it is a breech of trust. That is my opinion. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: minifrij on August 20, 2016, 12:12:52 AM As I stated, I don't quote private messages out of respect for people's privacy, even if they are in the wrong and harassing me. The things is though, at least on this forum, those messages are in no way private and are not said to be so. PM stands for 'Personal Message', not 'Private Message'. While you may not agree with this definition, it is not fair to use this as an argument against others.As you said, I had already marked TwitchySeal with negative trust. It was a courtesy to you as I assumed you wouldn't want to condone that type of behavior Personally, I do not see anything that TwitchySeal did as being in the wrong. Regardless however, it isn't fair to assume people share the same notion of trust as you and further challenge them should they not.Again, which part struck you as an extortion attempt? You challenged RHavar with removal from the trust system VIA Mitchell should he not comply with what you were asking him to do.Either way, let me know if you don't want to remove the trust rating and I'll just remove my trust of Mitchell so that I can get him out of my trust network that way. No hard feelings against you either way. I just figured asking you would be better than disconnecting myself with Mitchell, who I did think was trustworthy Without possibly twisting words, you said that you would remove Mitchell (and by extension RHavar) from the trust network if he did not remove his positive trust on TwitchySeal. This is trying to get your agenda through force or threats; quite literally the definition of extortion (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=extortion).Ironically, this situation is very similar to me being asked to remove my signature. Only difference is that I didn't threaten if anyone refused to act, I didn't make threads about anyone, I didn't make any private messages public, and I didn't strike first or at all with negative feedback. Had I done those things, I would certainly be guilty of whatever I've accused TwitchySeal of doing. The difference being that you hold a lot more base on this forum when compared to someone like TwitchySeal. A negative trust rating from members like that shows nothing to the majority of users here, you make a significant mark on people's reputation.I do not have anything against you and I hope that this was just a lapse of judgement, but I don't think that you are in the right with the majority of things you are saying. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 20, 2016, 12:30:23 AM Without possibly twisting words, you said that you would remove Mitchell (and by extension RHavar) from the trust network if he did not remove his positive trust on TwitchySeal. This is trying to get your agenda through force or threats; quite literally the definition of extortion (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=extortion). I disagree. I gave him the courtesy of contacting him and explaining why before I removed him from my trust network. I didn't threaten him and in fact made a point to say, "No hard feelings against you either way." That is called professional courtesy. The thing I did wrong was to suggest Lutpin should kill himself. A sin I have asked forgiveness for. Just because I was harassed for 12 days straight, didn't give me the right to suggest suicide. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: minifrij on August 20, 2016, 12:58:58 AM I disagree. I gave him the courtesy of contacting him and explaining why before I removed him from my trust network. This is irrelevant IMO. Regardless of whether you tell him your actions does not change the fact that you were doing to said actions, nor does it change your motive for doing them.I didn't threaten him and in fact made a point to say, "No hard feelings against you either way." That is called professional courtesy. Once again, it does not deter from the fact that you were going to remove him (and another party with no relevance to the conflict) because he didn't agree with you on the trustworthiness of a user and would not change a rating he had given. While it may be courteous, it is still trying to get your own way through force or threats.The thing I did wrong was to suggest Lutpin should kill himself. A sin I have asked forgiveness for. Just because I was harassed for 12 days straight, didn't give me the right to suggest suicide. I, in addition to many others I'm sure, accept the apology given for that specifically. I can understand that, especially in heated moments, people can say or do things that they later regret and won't hold it against you. The thing that bothers me specifically is some of your other behavior you don't see as wrong.Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 20, 2016, 01:23:57 AM Once again, it does not deter from the fact that you were going to remove him (and another party with no relevance to the conflict) because he didn't agree with you on the trustworthiness of a user and would not change a rating he had given. While it may be courteous, it is still trying to get your own way through force or threats. It is perfectly reasonable to remove positive trust for a user if you don't agree with their trust decisions. I'm not sure why we're even debating this. It sounds like you're upset that I contacted the user and gave him the courtesy of being able to choose how I handled the removal of TwitchySeal from my trust network instead of just taking action. Mitchell doesn't need me to be in the default trust network and so there really is no threat there, at all, by any stretch of the imagination. I'm saying that was done as a courtesy out of respect which should have been obvious by the below comments: No hard feelings against you either way. I just figured asking you would be better than disconnecting myself with Mitchell, who I did think was trustworthy. Not any kind of problem though. Good luck with you in the future. Always nice to speak with another Bitcoin enthusiast. I think a reasonable person would come to the same conclusion. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Lutpin on August 20, 2016, 01:59:40 AM Admit this sequence of events began when you contacted me, unsolicited, telling me to remove my signature and advising me to join Lauda's signature ad group and that your claim, "Everything began a few days ago, when out of the blue I was contacted by OgNasty about their current struggles with TwitchySeal/game-protect/et al" is nothing more than a lie. It's correct that I did PM you about your decision to advertise Betcoin.AG & that I had suggested for you to remove that advertisement and search a different advertiser for your signature space.I did not consider this a part of the chain of events, as I had sent similar PMs to other people aswell, kinghtdk for example, which reacted in a totally different way to those. So to be completely thorough, yes, the first motion came from my side, however, the messages/comments on slack were in a whole other dimension than my PMs about your signature. The reason I suggested you to make contact with ACE is, that they are the only current example of people operating under a custom rate I currently have, aswell as that they include the person, which to my knowledge had/has one of the best signature rates on this forum, Blazed. I was trying to give you an alternative to your current advertiser, or at least trying to point you in a way where you might find one. Admit at no point did you ever provide any evidence to your claim about my advertiser, and instead took the approach that I do what you say or face consequences. I was under the impression that you had researched the company you were advertising. If you did, you should have been well aware of their current status.It's fairly easy to find the threads where you can make your own image about betcoin.ag and their current status. I'm sorry that I didn't directly include these links in my PMs, if they could have changed your reaction. At no point I said or implied that you had to "face consequences". Admit that even though you provided no evidence, I still agreed to remove my signature out of good faith and respect for your opinion when my agreement was over, and that was not good enough for you. You agreed to add a rule to your signature auctions which gives you the option to remove/deny advertisers based on their reputation, or lack therof.I had told you that I appreciated that addition and that the situation for me was over with this. I did not say, neither did I act in any way to suggest, "that was not good enough". Admit that I haven't posted a single private message you sent to me or done anything else that could be seen as a breech of trust, even though you haven't shown me the same courtesy. You're right, you have not posted any personal messages, may it be from slack or this forums PM function. I did so, because I felt the need to share these. I don't consider this a breach of trust, but others might disagree. Admit that at no point did I threaten to DOX you to anyone. You were looking into ways of releasing the dox of a person that you were believing to harass you. Given the situation and the previous PMs, aswell as comments on slack, I, aswell as others, made the asumption you were talking about my dox. It's correct you did never directly name me as the person to be doxed or threat doing so in a direct message to me. However, I still was intimidated by this move and it scared me, which you probably were aware of. Admit that I wasn't in slack/irc or posting on the forum for a week, and despite your claims of, "A conflict which I never intended to, and one which I did everything remotely possible to avoid, but frankly, no matter how hard I tried, it failed" you in fact haven't even sent me a message and instead posted negative trust on my account, posted more private messages that were sent to your alt accounts, and started this thread pretending to be the victim. What part of that was you trying to avoid a conflict? As I previously explained to you, direct messages had failed, hence I stopped trying.While you were not on slack or posting publicly on the forum, you did send PMs to several users shortly before I had created this thread, this PMs were the immediate trigger for me posting. I tried avoiding this conflict for a long time, up until the point where I didn't see it being possible any more. At this point, I had created this thread. You never sent PMs to my alt accounts, as I don't have any hidden alts. The one I have is publicly known and marked by myself in several ways. I don't have to pretend to be the vicitim, if you fail to see why I am, I'm sorry for that. You continue to spread lies about me, talking about evidence when there is none and connecting me with alt accounts I have no connection to whatsoever. Remove the negative trust you have placed on my account, apologize for your behavior, stop making threads about me, stop harassing me with alt accounts, stop bothering theymos with your drama, and conduct yourself like an honorable person. I can't apologize for things I didn't do. I don't harass you with alt accounts, hence I neither can stop it, nor will I apologize for something like that.What I contact theymos about and what not is nothing of your concern. I have contacted them about stuff in the past, I did contact them about this and I will continue to contact them if I see a situation they should probably get involved in. I've admitted to and apologized for everything I did, I even changed my signature, showing that even though you started this, I'm willing to be the first to try and end it. Now it's your turn. Admit what you did wrong, and apologize. I've even started you off with a nice little list of things I can prove, although I'd feel much better about the situation if your apology went further. I'm sorry this situation has been taken this far.I'm also sorry for the things I made public. I was in a position where I felt cornered and this thread has been a desperate move. I still am. I'm sorry for the way the person behind the account game-protect has acted against you, even though this has nothing to do with me. And yet another Quickseller alt jumps into the conversation. I don't think Quickseller would make the mistake of asuming I'm in DT2 under dooglus, they know it's Blazed who included me in their trust list.I also don't think Quickseller would have access to PMs I send to my campaign participants of cg.net, which lets me asume this is an alt of someone who got kicked/banned from that campaign. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 20, 2016, 02:56:02 AM It's correct that I did PM you about your decision to advertise Betcoin.AG & that I had suggested for you to remove that advertisement and search a different advertiser for your signature space. yes, the first motion came from my side The reason I suggested you to make contact with ACE is, that they are the only current example of people operating under a custom rate I currently have I'm glad we can agree on this. I'm sorry that I didn't directly include these links in my PMs, if they could have changed your reaction. Yes, typically when you allege someone is a scammer, you provide evidence, or a link, or something... The owner of the signature campaign had no negative trust (but left the campaign shortly after our agreement due to harassment), and the user who supposedly got scammed appeared satisfied with the end result. Clearly I must have overlooked something, as I don't see why you would continue to wage war against Betcoin if the only complaint against them isn't even a current complaint by the user who made it. Perhaps if you had actually made a legitimate case instead of telling me what to do, I would have come to a different conclusion on this issue. You agreed to add a rule to your signature auctions which gives you the option to remove/deny advertisers based on their reputation, or lack therof. Yes, I did. I also said I would look into options for removal of the signature, but I wouldn't do it unilaterally without first discussing the issue with my advertiser. As you can clearly see, I've been wearing a different signature for days now. I also suspended my posting during this period and made this known. I noticed none of the quotes from me saying what I have done made it into any public thread, even though I was in that same chat asking people what else I could do that would be fair to everyone. You're right, you have not posted any personal messages, may it be from slack or this forums PM function. I did While you may not see this as an offense, it certainly effects how much I trust a person if they can't keep personal conversations out of the public eye. You were looking into ways of releasing the dox of a person that you were believing to harass you. I, aswell as others, made the asumption Looking into ways to release your dox? This was a bad assumption. Worse than my allegations actually, as this would be a punishable offense and didn't involve any misinterpretation on anyone's part. As I previously explained to you, direct messages had failed, hence I stopped trying. You stopped trying before this drama unfolded? That makes no sense. The last message I received from you was on August 1st. So if your version of, "I did everything remotely possible" means not sending me a message for 18 days while you left negative trust and started a thread to bash my reputation with false DOX claims, then I would agree. I can't apologize for things I didn't do. This is an unfortunate stance. You do realize that you are literally openly paying TwitchySeal for posts he makes bashing me? When you learned he was harassing me, why wasn't your response that you would look into removing him from your payroll? I'm sorry this situation has been taken this far. I'm also sorry for the things I made public. I was in a position where I felt cornered and this thread has been a desperate move By taking it this far I assume you mean your creation of this thread with false allegations and you leaving me negative trust instead of sending me a message to try and work out this dispute? If you'd like to discuss the issue, I'm certainly willing. After all, while your goal of getting me to remove the signature has been accomplished, I am still yet to see the end of this harassment and mud slinging, which was my goal. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: mammabitcoin2u on August 20, 2016, 05:22:42 AM Since I had to read this thread (because OgNasty & Lutpin are 2 of the many I have some respect for and that's saying a lot on this forum) I read about OgNasty and went to the site to learn about the mining pool (especially since so many are fullashit and his seemed legit, no I didn't join, I just looked it over)~let me tell you all what an outsider thinks
I think this thread has something to do with: I posted in a thread where someone asked about leaving feedback on "higher" accounts. My stance stands the same. If a newbie/legendary leaves feedback I can make my own decision after reading it. I don't assume red/green/orange whatever is an automatic UNTIL I read it. The Doxing thread I read about. The issue with that guy and his Jackpot win not being paid out. He accepted a settlement (because he had to there are NO laws that are going to enforce the gambling aspect at least not here in USA) The Casino offered him the settlement because they had to, otherwise they would lose their reputation and users) and that thread went on and on the above is the gist. I don't know the relationship with OgNasty & the casino. If it's just the signature that's the issue. OgNasty's reputation/recommendation isn't going to make me feel any more or less comfortable~I don't cough up $ because someone is endorsing something. I don't believe the Twitchy person is Lutpin. If anything, he would be a friend IF not an Alt of that person who had the issues with the Jackpot. I think Lutpin has a good point for posting this "thread/issue" in the forum. If this forum is really a community, post it, people can read/post/provide their input and make their own conclusions. The goofball comments, I wouldn't waste my time responding to or even thinking to waste my time on. The comment of "really should kill himself" is pretty childish and although you were heated Og, posting is forever, so you have to deal with words/emotions you had at the time. To Lutpin's defense, there might be some nuts who love you Og and may want to cause harm to him. The world is full of nuts, so I understand why he feels the way he does. The person who said "grow a pair" I'll say needs to grow one ~~regardless of your "staff knows my ID"~~you obviously don't have a pair to post behind an Alt so please ::) ::) RHavar Posting the PM WAS needed and I don't consider posting PM's to be a breach of trust. It showed a lot. Og~you wanting someone to remove their feedback because YOU got "into it" with that person??? And if they don't you will be removing the friend of RHavar.....this Mitchell?? Ummm ya that's some playground bullshit. IF someone leaves feedback~~LET IT STAND OR DON'T PUT IT PERIOD. I could care less whatever this "trust network" is. I don't care if there are 1000's +s on someone's account.....it doesn't make what they say gold. I also don't give a shit whoever the dooglus person is......for some odd reason people keep referring to him and I've already got my own posted opinion. Furthermore, you say, you/others have done the same.....to which again.....that's some childish shit removing legitimate feedback from someone.....I guess in an attempt to make someone look bad ::). Now, I (I'm sure others) question the feedback you gained & left. IF anything.......this matter is done.....IMO between you & Lutpin.......admit this admit that......ok I admit to this and to that....WTF kids it's over..........he apologized.......no doxing......those aren't his alt's....... its done move along to getting that Twitchy person (I have to read that dumbass post now to see what the hecks up there). edit to add: I hope you BOTH leave your feedback. As I said, stand by it or don't post it period. 2nd edit after having to read that garbage Twitchy post: I've added my red feedback to him. He has a vendetta against Betcoin.ag and trying to drag other members into it ::) ::) That's obvious from reading his original post. But, I did quickly read the rest.........total garbage. I don't know why you entertained this fool OgNasty?? I'm 100% positive that's NO Alt of Lutpin. Regardless of what you think about competitor's etc. I'm standing by what I say. AND YEP my feedback will never be removed. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 20, 2016, 05:58:46 AM RHavar Posting the PM WAS needed and I don't consider posting PM's to be a breach of trust. It showed a lot. Og~you wanting someone to remove their feedback because YOU got "into it" with that person??? And if they don't you will be removing the friend of RHavar.....this Mitchell?? You seem to be misunderstanding this situation. As far as I know Mitchell and RHavar aren't friends, and my removal of trust of Mitchell (didn't happen by the way) shouldn't have had any effect on RHavar as Mitchell is already in the default trust network, so I don't understand why people are trying to paint this as a threat when there were no potential negative consequences for RHavar whatsoever. Literally, he wouldn't have lost a single trust point as a result. It was me not wanting to be connected via the trust network to someone who was actively harassing me. A perfectly reasonable response to ongoing harassment. Trying to paint it as anything else is really reaching. 2nd edit after having to read that garbage Twitchy post: I've added my red feedback to him. He has a vendetta against Betcoin.ag and trying to drag other members into it ::) ::) That's obvious from reading his original post. But, I did quickly read the rest.........total garbage. I don't know why you entertained this fool OgNasty?? I didn't. I clicked the ignore button on TwitchySeal as soon as he started harassing me. Then I did the same when the harassment switched to coming from game-protect. I made no comments publicly on this forum about this situation whatsoever until Lutpin left me negative trust on my account after not communicating with me for 18 days. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: mammabitcoin2u on August 20, 2016, 06:21:32 AM RHavar Posting the PM WAS needed and I don't consider posting PM's to be a breach of trust. It showed a lot. Og~you wanting someone to remove their feedback because YOU got "into it" with that person??? And if they don't you will be removing the friend of RHavar.....this Mitchell?? You seem to be misunderstanding this situation. As far as I know Mitchell and RHavar aren't friends, and my removal of trust of Mitchell (didn't happen by the way) shouldn't have had any effect on RHavar as Mitchell is already in the default trust network, so I don't understand why people are trying to paint this as a threat when there were no potential negative consequences for RHavar whatsoever. Literally, he wouldn't have lost a single trust point as a result. It was me not wanting to be connected via the trust network to someone who was actively harassing me. A perfectly reasonable response to ongoing harassment. Trying to paint it as anything else is really reaching. 2nd edit after having to read that garbage Twitchy post: I've added my red feedback to him. He has a vendetta against Betcoin.ag and trying to drag other members into it ::) ::) That's obvious from reading his original post. But, I did quickly read the rest.........total garbage. I don't know why you entertained this fool OgNasty?? I didn't. I clicked the ignore button on TwitchySeal as soon as he started harassing me. Then I did the same when the harassment switched to coming from game-protect. I made no comments publicly on this forum about this situation whatsoever until Lutpin left me negative trust on my account after not communicating with me for 18 days. Better I answer here.....instead of making a 3rd edit....of adding feedback to the Scammer gameprotect ::) which no doubt is either Twitchy himself (which I believe is that jason jackpot guy) I'm not reaching. IMO, not cool to ask anyone to remove feedback. But since ya'll do it, then I will address it as: If you said, hey buddy this guy if fu*king with me, how bout you remove the feedback you left for him. THEN that's a done deal. However, you tossed in someone and something else..........see what the "fuss" is about?? (love your name btw~that was 1 good point when I first came to this board, the rest of the points came when I read all the posts and your site and blah blah) From what I can tell you have a good reputation............keep it that way!! "This thing" obviously just got snowballing. You both said your bit. It's easy to see where each is coming from (least on my end) and honestly, for me.......you both still have your good reputations. So again, to you both......I think this is done. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 20, 2016, 06:29:09 AM I'm not reaching. IMO, not cool to ask anyone to remove feedback. But since ya'll do it, then I will address it as: If you said, hey buddy this guy if fu*king with me, how bout you remove the feedback you left for him. THEN that's a done deal. However, you tossed in someone and something else..........see what the "fuss" is about?? Re-read my post. You still don't seem to be understanding. I didn't toss in someone else, I said here's the trust connection I have to TwitchySeal, I'm going to break it somewhere, where would you like me to break it? I'd say it was downright courteous of me, definitely not something anyone should be angry about, except maybe TwitchySeal. This happens to me so often by so many members of different trust levels, I've never considered it a threat. I've always considered it responsible trust management... Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Joel_Jantsen on August 20, 2016, 06:34:29 AM You seem to be misunderstanding this situation. As far as I know Mitchell and RHavar aren't friends, and my removal of trust of Mitchell (didn't happen by the way) shouldn't have had any effect on RHavar as Mitchell is already in the default trust network, so I don't understand why people are trying to paint this as a threat when there were no potential negative consequences for RHavar whatsoever. Literally, he wouldn't have lost a single trust point as a result. It was me not wanting to be connected via the trust network to someone who was actively harassing me. A perfectly reasonable response to ongoing harassment. Trying to paint it as anything else is really reaching. I like it how you take your trust as an advantage against any accusations made against you.The moment you realize someone is speaking against your wrongs,you try to use your trust to bring them down.You think removing Mitch from your trust list is going to make people believe that he is any less trusted ?You are constantly threatening members who even try to speak against your will,I don't know what dictionary you refer to but your statements does look like a "direct threat" in the one that I refer.Telling Lutpin to back-off othewrise it's not going to end up good for him is a plain threat.You always try to show you're above everyone else by using your trust.I agree,you held forum's bitcoins and carried out other 200 escrows successfully but that doesn't mean you are someone special and you have your own rights seperate from everybody else.I never ever have known/commented on your discussions before until this one,sooner that I realized you're just riding on the horse because of the few green numbers which surround your profile.You threathened twitchyseal to use your "powers" to bring him down as well.I have nothing against you but negative repping and threattening a few good members who are actually trying to prevent scam on this forum is not appropriate.For the sake of Christ,please care to read Twitchy's betcoin thread and see how they're cheating users.But anyway you wouldn't care,you are just concerned about your profits and I don't actually care about it. I didn't. I clicked the ignore button on TwitchySeal as soon as he started harassing me. Then I did the same when the harassment switched to coming from game-protect. I made no comments publicly on this forum about this situation whatsoever until Lutpin left me negative trust on my account after not communicating with me for 18 days. No,you didn't make it public.Instead,you starting using your contacts (the green trusts obviously) to take more actions agains't them.Messaging theymos/other DT members to remov the one's who started speaking agains't you,which is henious!Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 20, 2016, 06:37:40 AM I like it how you take your trust as an advantage against any accusations made against you. Did you even read what you quoted? My trust wasn't an advantage in this situation. It had literally no effect whatsoever. The rest of your post is filled with an equal amount of nonsense. EDIT: You need to read about the trust network if you want to learn. I'm not going to educate you in this format or continue arguing with someone that literally doesn't understand the argument. I also think you are alone in saying I don't care about the community. I'm the guy who has been donating free electricity and 100% of my mined coins to NastyFans for the last 4+ years. Hard to say all I care about is profits when I literally run an organization that gives away my resources. Quite the opposite actually, as I've brought to light potential abuse in the signature campaign market that has gone unreported by a trusted member until now. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: mammabitcoin2u on August 20, 2016, 06:43:46 AM I'm not reaching. IMO, not cool to ask anyone to remove feedback. But since ya'll do it, then I will address it as: If you said, hey buddy this guy if fu*king with me, how bout you remove the feedback you left for him. THEN that's a done deal. However, you tossed in someone and something else..........see what the "fuss" is about?? Re-read my post. You still don't seem to be understanding. I didn't toss in someone else, I said here's the trust connection I have to TwitchySeal, I'm going to break it somewhere, where would you like me to break it? I'd say it was downright courteous of me, definitely not something anyone should be angry about, except maybe TwitchySeal. This happens to me so often by so many members of different trust levels, I've never considered it a threat. I've always considered it responsible trust management... OK.....then for me and others who may not understand. How are you "connected"?? Why does your relationship with Mitchell affect anyone else? Are you trying to say the way that "trust network" works: You have a relationship/trust feedback with Mitchell and Mitchell has a relationship/trust feeback with RHavar who left relationship/trust feedback for Twitchy? So now.......this "trust thing" means YOU trust Twitchy??? Enlighten me, because I don't see it that way. And if you say it is........then that's a silly. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: mammabitcoin2u on August 20, 2016, 06:51:30 AM You seem to be misunderstanding this situation. As far as I know Mitchell and RHavar aren't friends, and my removal of trust of Mitchell (didn't happen by the way) shouldn't have had any effect on RHavar as Mitchell is already in the default trust network, so I don't understand why people are trying to paint this as a threat when there were no potential negative consequences for RHavar whatsoever. Literally, he wouldn't have lost a single trust point as a result. It was me not wanting to be connected via the trust network to someone who was actively harassing me. A perfectly reasonable response to ongoing harassment. Trying to paint it as anything else is really reaching. I like it how you take your trust as an advantage against any accusations made against you.The moment you realize someone is speaking against your wrongs,you try to use your trust to bring them down.You think removing Mitch from your trust list is going to make people believe that he is any less trusted ?You are constantly threatening members who even try to speak against your will,I don't know what dictionary you refer to but your statements does look like a "direct threat" in the one that I refer.Telling Lutpin to back-off othewrise it's not going to end up good for him is a plain threat.You always try to show you're above everyone else by using your trust.I agree,you held forum's bitcoins and carried out other 200 escrows successfully but that doesn't mean you are someone special and you have your own rights seperate from everybody else.I never ever have known/commented on your discussions before until this one,sooner that I realized you're just riding on the horse because of the few green numbers which surround your profile.You threathened twitchyseal to use your "powers" to bring him down as well.I have nothing against you but negative repping and threattening a few good members who are actually trying to prevent scam on this forum is not appropriate.For the sake of Christ,please care to read Twitchy's betcoin thread and see how they're cheating users.But anyway you wouldn't care,you are just concerned about your profits and I don't actually care about it. I didn't. I clicked the ignore button on TwitchySeal as soon as he started harassing me. Then I did the same when the harassment switched to coming from game-protect. I made no comments publicly on this forum about this situation whatsoever until Lutpin left me negative trust on my account after not communicating with me for 18 days. No,you didn't make it public.Instead,you starting using your contacts (the green trusts obviously) to take more actions agains't them.Messaging theymos/other DT members to remov the one's who started speaking agains't you,which is henious!I gotta jump in this.......my stance on status in this forum or offline......stands......I don't care if you are a priest that doesn't make me automatically trust you with my $ With that said........I read that whole thing about Betcoin.ag and OK thanks for posting information about what happened to this guy and others. I can make my own decision. Reading Twitchy's others posts.........the guys gotta vendetta against Betcoin.ag.....he wants everyone to stop advertising them. He an ask and others can decline. What's the problem? OgNasty said, hey its $ (which I agree as he is free to do as he wishes) and if you want me to stop pay me. Again, what's the problem? Everyone is suppose to get on the Betcoin.ag Hate Wagon.............I think not. I can and will do as I wish NOT what someone wants me to do. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: CryptoDatabase on August 20, 2016, 07:27:50 AM "Send me all of your coins and I won't delete your harddrive"
"Remove that feedback or I'll remove this guy from my list" "Do my homework or I'll tell mom what you did last night" "Give me $50,000 in unmarked bills or I will kill this person" All of the above quoted examples are forms of extortion. This needed clearing up for those that do not know what extortion is. In laymans terms, it is when you try to force another person to do something and if they don't there will be 'consequences'. This is something they teach in school and is in fact illegal. Regardless of whoever Mitchell is OgNasty, you used him in your 'request' to remove someone else's feedback. Whether you think it is extortion or not really doesn't matter. We describe things with words because those words have definitions. If what you said matches the exact definition of a word then it is in fact that word. Should be fairly easy to understand hopefully. It's a pure shame that people here try to act like they're 'professional' but in the end they're just hypocrites which I find highly amusing and is the cause of my posts here. It's not that hard to just say you tried extorting that guy and move on with your life. It is what you did after all. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: betlord90 on August 20, 2016, 07:38:39 AM So where's twitchy now? He is the one who started this commotion so better for him to apologies on both parties, maybe he needs to stop his trolling so no people will be involved anymore by this nonsense things happening here.
Maybe he should report to his boss now that his mission is currently failed. Stop making trouble here paid arrogant shill. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Quickseller on August 20, 2016, 07:46:06 AM "Send me all of your coins and I won't delete your harddrive" Additional examples of extortion: "Remove that feedback or I'll remove this guy from my list" "Do my homework or I'll tell mom what you did last night" "Give me $50,000 in unmarked bills or I will kill this person" All of the above quoted examples are forms of extortion. This needed clearing up for those that do not know what extortion is. In laymans terms, it is when you try to force another person to do something and if they don't there will be 'consequences'. "Give me $11.99 or I will not give you a loaf of bread (https://www.amazon.com/NATURES-OWN-BREAD-HONEY-WHEAT/dp/B00T8SHY5E/ref=sr_1_6_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1471678687&sr=8-6&keywords=bread)". "Send me the winning bid amount, or I will not ship you the coin that you won in my auction" "Tell me the truth about what happened, or I will not ever believe what you say in the future" The term "extortion" is very broad, one that includes the receipt of property that one is not entitled to, and one that involves things similar to conducting business, and the forming of opinions. I think it is clear that OgNasty was not attempting to receive anything of value that he was not otherwise entitled to, and thus he was not engaging in "bad"/"criminal" extortion. What OgNasty was engaging in was something that would help him gauge the ability to trust a certain person's trust ratings (eg. allow him to form an opinion). Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: sho_road_warrior on August 20, 2016, 08:07:13 AM I can't apologize for things I didn't do. This is an unfortunate stance. I apologize. I am sorry for all you had to endure and maybe even have. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: CryptoDatabase on August 20, 2016, 08:15:54 AM "Send me all of your coins and I won't delete your harddrive" Additional examples of extortion: "Remove that feedback or I'll remove this guy from my list" "Do my homework or I'll tell mom what you did last night" "Give me $50,000 in unmarked bills or I will kill this person" All of the above quoted examples are forms of extortion. This needed clearing up for those that do not know what extortion is. In laymans terms, it is when you try to force another person to do something and if they don't there will be 'consequences'. "Give me $11.99 or I will not give you a loaf of bread (https://www.amazon.com/NATURES-OWN-BREAD-HONEY-WHEAT/dp/B00T8SHY5E/ref=sr_1_6_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1471678687&sr=8-6&keywords=bread)". "Send me the winning bid amount, or I will not ship you the coin that you won in my auction" "Tell me the truth about what happened, or I will not ever believe what you say in the future" The term "extortion" is very broad, one that includes the receipt of property that one is not entitled to, and one that involves things similar to conducting business, and the forming of opinions. I think it is clear that OgNasty was not attempting to receive anything of value that he was not otherwise entitled to, and thus he was not engaging in "bad"/"criminal" extortion. What OgNasty was engaging in was something that would help him gauge the ability to trust a certain person's trust ratings (eg. allow him to form an opinion). Selling something and saying do this or that will happen are two different things. The first example is called a 'fair exchange' I.E. I trade you this bread in return for your money. This is not extortion and nowhere even close. The second example is the same as the first, fair exchange and not extortion. The third example is about the closest you came to being extortion, however loss of trust is not a 'consequence' and this fits into a more of a cause and effect situation. I hope in the future you choose better examples like I have done that are actually structured to be accurate and not just come and post nonsense. Here is a good example, you lost my trust when you paraded around on alts promoting false trust and then lying about it. That is roughly the same as your 3rd example except it shows cause and effect more clearly. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: minifrij on August 20, 2016, 11:10:37 AM It is perfectly reasonable to remove positive trust for a user if you don't agree with their trust decisions. I'm not sure why we're even debating this. It is, however IMO that isn't a similar situation. Of course it is reasonable to remove trust from someone if they make questionable trust decisions, I just don't think that one rating one one user is enough to warrant this. However this is up to personal interpretation, so I won't try to use it against you.I also find it strange that you are using this as an argument, and yet still have direct positive trust for users such as Spondoolies-Tech (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=295386). You're fine leaving trust for people who have not followed through with sales commissions, but considered removing positive trust for someone who was linked to someone who trusted someone that you didn't like? It seems a bit backwards to me. It sounds like you're upset that I contacted the user and gave him the courtesy of being able to choose how I handled the removal of TwitchySeal from my trust network instead of just taking action. I'm upset that you told a user "Remove your trust or I will do it for you" and see nothing wrong with that. If the roles were reversed and you were told the same thing, would you honestly accept that because he was nice about it? Regardless, I believe a lot of this is a misunderstanding and considering certain things I see no point in arguing about it further.However, I'm also confused about what you mean by your trust network. Are you talking about the string of positive trusts (You->Mitchell->RHavar->TwitchySeal) or are you talking about the DT network? If the prior, at what point does your 'network' end? I think a reasonable person would come to the same conclusion. Please don't throw underhanded insults at me; I have done no such thing to you.Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: game-protect on August 20, 2016, 12:47:37 PM (BELOW COMMENT IS NOT DIRECTED AT RHavar but a general observation!) Ironically, this situation is very similar to me being asked to remove my signature. Only difference is that I didn't threaten if anyone refused to act, I didn't make threads about anyone, I didn't make any private messages public, and I didn't strike first or at all with negative feedback. Had I done those things, I would certainly be guilty of whatever I've accused TwitchySeal of doing. You have threaten me to remove my justifiably feedback: I'm going to paint your other account red with negative feedback if you don't remove this. Thought I'd give you the chance to do the right thing first. Here's the negative feedback I'll be returning to you tomorrow if you do not remove the unwarranted negative feedback immediately. I will be more harsh to alt accounts I discover linked to this account, as well as alerting the scam patrol and moderator staff to do the same. Please do the right thing and save us both the time and negative energy. Quote Leaving negative feedback because of who purchased my advertising? Clearly this unstable individual and his service should be avoided. I'm not going to dignify you with any further discussion. Tomorrow I will leave you negative feedback if you do not do the right thing. If you send me any other message besides apologize for leaving me negative trust because I fulfilled the promise of my signature auction then I will set your account to ignore. I'm not going to play games with you.. Good luck. Seek help for your gambling addiction. Nobody is to blame for your current situation but yourself. You do realize that is the forum's policy, right? If you were to remove your negative trust, I can put in a policy that companies with negative trust can no longer bid on my signature advertising slot. This would mean I would no longer be advertising for betcoin.ag (or similar untrusted organizations) at the end of this month. That is the best I can do without breaking the contract I have in place, and is a final attempt at compromise to end this feud with you. After you realized that you can not threaten me, you put me on your ignore list I do not know what you have with Lutpin or TwitchySeal, but you definitely made a mistake with connecting my account to Lutpin's or TwitchySeal's. After I realized yesterday that you stopped promoting the publicly proven Betcoin scam, I removed my feedback, like I did and will do with anyone else. This confirms that I do not harass anyone who promotes or promoted the Betcoin scam. I did not send pm to anyone, did not threat them and did not ask to leave the campaign. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: RHavar on August 20, 2016, 02:05:38 PM You seem to be misunderstanding this situation. As far as I know Mitchell and RHavar aren't friends, and my removal of trust of Mitchell (didn't happen by the way) shouldn't have had any effect on RHavar as Mitchell is already in the default trust network, so I don't understand why people are trying to paint this as a threat when there were no potential negative consequences for RHavar whatsoever. Well, the first thing I did when I got your message was ask Mitchell to remove me from his trust, because the last thing I wanted was for him to be disadvantaged in any way (even if he stayed in the the default trust). Of course I'd feel bad if my actions (or lack of them) caused any harm to someone who obviously didn't deserve it. I'm just guessing here, but I can imagine that in his role on the forum it's important for him to be out of drama and stay a widely trusted person (which he completely is), so it'd be quite unfair to drag him into this mud. And I suspect you realized that this would be the most effective deterrent to get what you wanted. It's not exactly like you could give me negative rep (for what? Not wanting to remove a banal trust feedback without evidence?), or excluding me directly would have any use. Instead you promised to do something that amounts to collective punishment (if we want to get all dramatic) unless I helped you make TwitchySeal's account red. Now, I'm willing to accept I completely misunderstood your intentions, but I'm used to treating things in the form: "Do what I want, or I'll do something I know you won't want" as extortionistic. And I would think that you as an otherwise reasonable person would be able to see why I could have interpreted your message that way, instead of continuing to defend it and try imply I have ulterior motives for spinning it. Also I note that Stunna had also left twitchyseal positive feedback a couple months after me, specifically related to the betcoin.ag incident: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/spa/rmczv2tqcr196vz/ktw-l49q.png Did you also go to efforts to have him excluded from your trust network too? Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Heutenamos on August 20, 2016, 02:21:24 PM These kids are just harassing OgNasty terribly. You have no right to tell me what to wear in my signature space unless we have that amounts of fellowship. Just stop shitting over the forum for whatever reasons.
OgNasty has the rights to remove people from his trust list if they are damaging his reputation over some kindergarten drama & he also has the right to add people to his list if he wants to(not talking bout + ratings). Why the fuck do u fail to understand other pupil perspectives ? and just call it "extortion" cause u failed to. That pm to rhavar from OgNasty was in fact a favor rather than an extortion attempt. He has the power to simply remove/add without even informing him. Ironically, this situation is very similar to me being asked to remove my signature. Only difference is that I didn't threaten if anyone refused to act, I didn't make threads about anyone, I didn't make any private messages public, and I didn't strike first or at all with negative feedback. I Second this behavior & I think people should stop attacking OgNasty's reputation over IMO's. Not to forget the OP is a liar (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg15632113#msg15632113). He publicly posted that he will be neg-tagging people for joining betcoin Sig camp but he didn't (probably cause OgNasty wore their sig). If i had made such a commitment publicly ? fuck i would even tag satoshi for that. Integrity Kid , you don't get it on forums via trading & nor by licking the asses of authorities. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TruthBeTold on August 20, 2016, 02:30:01 PM It's funny how certain people here have the same writing style :-X
Aaaanyyywaaayyyzzz while you're arguing here about Lutpin being called a bi*ch what he is, he's doing his homework.. "Toss them a bone , and dine while they fight .." .. meanwhile .. Little twat newest attempt in collecting trust.. buying people sh*t.. https://s4.postimg.io/nc57fsifh/fag1.jpg http://archive.is/Kc0Up Guess begging it out of his followers isn't enough these dayzzz is it.. https://s3.postimg.io/fqgrex2jn/fag.jpg Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: DarkStar_ on August 20, 2016, 02:31:52 PM Not to forget the OP is a liar (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg15632113#msg15632113). He publicly posted that he will be neg-tagging people for joining betcoin Sig camp but he didn't (probably cause OgNasty wore their sig). If i had made such a commitment publicly ? fuck i would even tag satoshi for that. Integrity Kid , you don't get it on forums via trading & nor by licking the asses of authorities. If I said that I will strongly consider donating money to somewhere, but end up not doing it, am I a liar? No. Strongly considering != I Will Do Quote I strongly consider leaving negative feedback to everyone who continues to advertise betcoin.ag Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Lutpin on August 20, 2016, 02:36:12 PM "Toss them a bone , and dine while they fight .." .. meanwhile .. Little twat newest attempt in collecting trust.. buying people sh*t.. Now that's a load of crap.I had reached my maximum allowed ticket number and I wanted the raffle to start immediately. I decided to gift tickets to two users, and zepher, who I have been talking to alot and who I had a very nice deal with recently, aswell as Mitchell, who is reshipping stuff for me on a monthly basis, without ever asking for any payments or sth, both stroke me like persons I would want to do this for. It was a way to say thanks, not an "attempt in collecting trust". Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Patatas on August 20, 2016, 02:40:43 PM Guess begging it out of his followers isn't enough these dayzzz is it.. While all your posts are off-topic,why don't you make a new thread and brag about your issues there ? Guess what,no one gave a rats ass about your last post and no one will,about this one.Asking a positive feedback from a member at DT level < 3 when they've have been paying the members on time is not considered "begging for reputation".Only if you were audacious enough to post from your main account.[which probably got banned from Crypto-Games signature campaign]Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Heutenamos on August 20, 2016, 02:41:24 PM about Lutpin being called a bi*ch what he is Stop Kidding. It takes a significant amount of talent just to be a basic bitch.he's doing his homework.. ;D ;D ;D Not to forget the OP is a liar (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg15632113#msg15632113). He publicly posted that he will be neg-tagging people for joining betcoin Sig camp but he didn't (probably cause OgNasty wore their sig). If i had made such a commitment publicly ? fuck i would even tag satoshi for that. Integrity Kid , you don't get it on forums via trading & nor by licking the asses of authorities. If I said that I will strongly consider donating money to somewhere, but end up not doing it, am I a liar? No. Strongly considering != I Will Do Quote I strongly consider leaving negative feedback to everyone who continues to advertise betcoin.ag So you mean he is an Extortionist ? Yes you are right in that case. He was extorting the group of participants who were a competition to crypto_games. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TruthBeTold on August 20, 2016, 02:45:54 PM It's funny how certain people here have the same writing style :-X Now that's a load of crap.Aaaanyyywaaayyyzzz while you're arguing here about Lutpin being called a bi*ch what he is, he's doing his homework.. "Toss them a bone , and dine while they fight .." .. meanwhile .. Little twat newest attempt in collecting trust.. buying people sh*t.. https://s4.postimg.io/nc57fsifh/fag1.jpg http://archive.is/Kc0Up Guess begging it out of his followers isn't enough these dayzzz is it.. https://s3.postimg.io/fqgrex2jn/fag.jpg I had reached my maximum allowed ticket number and I wanted the raffle to start immediately. I decided to gift tickets to two users, and zepher, who I have been talking to alot and who I had a very nice deal with recently, aswell as Mitchell, who is reshipping stuff for me on a monthly basis, without ever asking for any payments or sth, both stroke me like persons I would want to do this for. It was a way to say thanks, not an "attempt in collecting trust". Whatever floats your boat man, people are dumb enough to buy that shish. Buying people stuff for no apparentreason is totally legit ! (Especially if they are high ranking staff members) i dont judge lol Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: minifrij on August 20, 2016, 02:55:37 PM It's funny how certain people here have the same writing style :-X I know it's rare, but some people do speak English to a decent level on this forum.buying people sh*t.. How dare he buy two raffle tickets to people he speaks regularly to in an IRC channel! What a heartless son of a bitch!(Especially if they are high ranking staff members) Ah yes, Zepher (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=369879). One of the highest ranking members of the staff team.. Wait a second!It's also laughable that you don't have the balls to post from your main account. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: redsn0w on August 20, 2016, 03:00:47 PM I think a neutral trust is better than a negative one, come on Lutpin make peace with OgNasty ;D.
Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Zepher on August 20, 2016, 03:24:56 PM I have avoided commenting in this thread so far, for the simple reason that I do not wish to get involved in a dispute between 2 members. I still do not wish to get involved.
"Toss them a bone , and dine while they fight .." .. meanwhile .. Little twat newest attempt in collecting trust.. buying people sh*t.. https://s4.postimg.io/nc57fsifh/fag1.jpg Tell me 'TruthBeTold'... So you think that Lutpin is attempting to collect trust from me, for buying me a spot in a raffle?.. That's not how it works. Not for me anyway. Myself and Lutpin have done a deal for something, and he feels that I was very fair to him.. As payback, without me asking, he bought me a spot in that raffle. This does not garner trust from me. The deal we have made on the other hand, will do, I just haven't gotten round to it yet. So, there is your prior notice regarding how I leave trust - I will leave Lutpin, and anyone else I feel deserves it, positive trust after a successful trade if I see it fit to do so. Now... it would be nice if you could stop derailing the thread. Thank you. Zepher Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: cpfreeplz on August 20, 2016, 04:37:03 PM These kids are just harassing OgNasty terribly. You have no right to tell me what to wear in my signature space unless we have that amounts of fellowship. Just stop shitting over the forum for whatever reasons. OgNasty has the rights to remove people from his trust list if they are damaging his reputation over some kindergarten drama & he also has the right to add people to his list if he wants to(not talking bout + ratings). Why the fuck do u fail to understand other pupil perspectives ? and just call it "extortion" cause u failed to. Apparently that's 'not what this thread is about' rofl. I wonder if you'll get the same response I did;) Well it seems OgNasty has apologized so are you two ok to kiss and make up now? Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: eddie13 on August 20, 2016, 05:11:14 PM "Send me all of your coins and I won't delete your harddrive" "Remove that feedback or I'll remove this guy from my list" "Do my homework or I'll tell mom what you did last night" "Give me $50,000 in unmarked bills or I will kill this person" All of the above quoted examples are forms of extortion. This needed clearing up for those that do not know what extortion is. In laymans terms, it is when you try to force another person to do something and if they don't there will be 'consequences'. This is something they teach in school and is in fact illegal. They teach that in school alright.. "Do this or your getting a detention" "Do that or we are going to call your parents" "Do these things or you we will fail you" Should I sue? "Send me all of your coins and I won't delete your harddrive" Additional examples of extortion: "Remove that feedback or I'll remove this guy from my list" "Do my homework or I'll tell mom what you did last night" "Give me $50,000 in unmarked bills or I will kill this person" All of the above quoted examples are forms of extortion. This needed clearing up for those that do not know what extortion is. In laymans terms, it is when you try to force another person to do something and if they don't there will be 'consequences'. "Give me $11.99 or I will not give you a loaf of bread (https://www.amazon.com/NATURES-OWN-BREAD-HONEY-WHEAT/dp/B00T8SHY5E/ref=sr_1_6_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1471678687&sr=8-6&keywords=bread)". "Send me the winning bid amount, or I will not ship you the coin that you won in my auction" "Tell me the truth about what happened, or I will not ever believe what you say in the future" He gets it.. loss of trust is not a 'consequence' and this fits into a more of a cause and effect situation. Yes it is.. IMO "stop colluding with that scammer or I will not trust you anymore"... Fair ball.. .. I think the big crux here is that the rules for using the trust system and how you interpret the trust system are wide open, there are no real rules and many people interpret the trust system differently.. There is no supreme court of trust system interpreters.. That is all fine and good until one person with their personal interpretation tries to argue that particular interpretation to another person who happens to interpret it differently.. The trust system is opinion, not fact, and you can hardy argue an opinion.. What information it gives and how it's used can be many different things depending on who you ask.. First you have to have an opinion on how to use the trust system and then an opinion to post to the trust system. You may not trust johnny anymore because he is late on a lone and post it to the trust system, but that does not mean that Johnnie's brother Joe does not trust johnny anymore.. Furthermore Joe may not think it is correct to leave Johnny negative trust just for being late on a loan, but you might.. Opinions.. Disclaimer: All of this is my opinion, not fact that can be argued.. Just my personal interpretation.. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: grtthegreat on August 20, 2016, 05:47:33 PM I think a neutral trust is better than a negative one, come on Lutpin, make peace with OgNasty ;D. With negative trust on highly trusted and experienced accounts', things can get really bad as OgNasty and Lutpin happen to be valuable contributors to the forum and act as escrow agent and signature campaign manager (and optionally escrow agent too) respectively. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 20, 2016, 06:22:32 PM Well it seems OgNasty has apologized so are you two ok to kiss and make up now? His apology was still full of alleging to be the victim, denying any involvement, and saying he feels threatened, so obviously he isn't getting it yet. Therefore I'd like answers to questions like... Why didn't he try to send me a PM in the 18 days prior to him starting this thread and does he really think that is trying everything he could? or Why did he become defensive and combative with me when learning that I was being harassed by someone on his payroll, instead of trying to resolve the situation? or Why is he still paying TwitchySeal for posts he makes publicly harassing me? or Is mexxer-2 a Lutpin alt? or Why does it say female on his profile? or Why is he still claiming to be backed into a corner when he's the one who made first contact? I apologized for what I said, told him that it was not a threat, said I have no ill intentions towards him, and not to mention that he's the one who created this thread, and he's the one who put negative feedback on my profile first. It certainly appears from my end that he's on the offensive and I'm apologetic, not the other way around. or Why create this thread, and then not participate in it when I ask questions? Certainly this doesn't suport your, "I did everything remotely possible" claims. I've taken the time to participate in your thread against my better judgement and respond to ridiculous claims from questionable accounts, why don't you show the same courtesy? or You've posted that this thread was in response to you seeing messages where I was considering, "dipping my toe in the signature campaign management market" - So do you think that bashing me publicly was a good response to reading I might become a competitor to you? That seems to be an ongoing trend with you where you try to do everything you can to hurt competition, which I find disturbing. I'd love to have an open conversation about this with you. Since you love posting my PMs anyway, we might as well just hash it out in public. If you'd prefer to discuss this in private so you don't have to answer the above questions publicly, I'm open to that as well. Feel free to PM, email, Slack or IRC me. I'm well aware you already have all that contact info. You have nothing to fear from contacting me. I have absolutely no interest in seeing anything bad happen to you whatsoever. In fact, I'd still just like the harassment of me to stop, and I feel this thread full of random accounts constantly attacking me over how I maintain my trust list is just another method of harassment from you. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Lutpin on August 20, 2016, 06:38:03 PM His apology was still full of alleging to be the victim, denying any involvement, and saying he feels threatened, so obviously he isn't getting it yet. Therefore I'd like answers to questions like... You're continuing to accuse me of things I did not do and trying to hold me accountable for the actions of accounts I got no connection with. Why didn't he try to send me a PM in the 18 days prior to him starting this thread and does he really think that is trying everything he could? Because directly PMing you didn't have any results. When we talked over at slack, you didn't want to listen to me, I therfore tried bringing in theymos, in hopes you would at least listen to them.Why did he become defensive and combative with me when learning that I was being harassed by someone on his payroll, instead of trying to resolve the situation? Because you didn't make this sound like you wanted to talk about someone on my payroll, but rather were attacking me directly. At least you sounded like you intended to.Why is he still paying TwitchySeal for posts he makes publicly harassing me? Because they violated none of the rules of that campaign and I'm not going to kick them out of it over this.Posts I see not fit for receiving a payment are being denied and not paid, which would include posts being considered as "harassment". Is mexxer-2 a Lutpin alt? Nope.Why does it say female on his profile? Why does it say 5y/o on yours?My gender is no concern of this forum and I may set it as I like. Why is he still claiming to be backed into a corner when he's the one who made first contact? I apologized for what I said, told him that it was not a threat, said I have no ill intentions towards him, and not to mention that he's the one who created this thread, and he's the one who put negative feedback on my profile first. It certainly appears from my end that he's on the offensive and I'm apologetic, not the other way around. Mainly because of the PMs you have been sending around, containing wrong statements and lies about myself.You're also wrong, you had left me a negative feedback first. Why create this thread, and then not participate in it when I ask questions? Certainly this doesn't suport your, "I did everything remotely possible" claims. I've taken the time to participate in your thread against my better judgement and respond to ridiculous claims from questionable accounts, why don't you show the same courtesy? I'm here answering your "questions".You've posted that this thread was in response to you seeing messages where I was considering, "dipping my toe in the signature campaign management market" - So do you think that bashing me publicly was a good response to reading I might become a competitor to you? That seems to be an ongoing trend with you where you try to do everything you can to hurt competition, which I find disturbing. It's the PM you wrote about me "extorting" other people and stating that I am an alt account to TwitchySeal and game-protect, which is obviously wrong.I'd love to have an open conversation about this with you. Since you love posting my PMs anyway, we might as well just hash it out in public. If you'd prefer to discuss this in private so you don't have to answer the above questions publicly, I'm open to that as well. Feel free to PM, email, Slack or IRC me. I'm well aware you already have all that contact info. You have nothing to fear from contacting me. I have absolutely no interest in seeing anything bad happen to you whatsoever. In fact, I'd still just like the harassment of me to stop, and I feel this thread full of random accounts constantly attacking me over how I maintain my trust list is just another method of harassment from you. So you're again accusing me of having alt accounts and using them to harass you?Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 20, 2016, 06:59:46 PM His apology was still full of alleging to be the victim, denying any involvement, and saying he feels threatened, so obviously he isn't getting it yet. Therefore I'd like answers to questions like... You're continuing to accuse me of things I did not do and trying to hold me accountable for the actions of accounts I got no connection with. You are connected with them. You are literally paying them money to post lies and harass me. How is this behavior ok with you? Why didn't he try to send me a PM in the 18 days prior to him starting this thread and does he really think that is trying everything he could? Because directly PMing you didn't have any results. When we talked over at slack, you didn't want to listen to me, I therfore tried bringing in theymos, in hopes you would at least listen to them.How would you know it would have no results? You stopped communicating with me right before all the harassment started. Why did he become defensive and combative with me when learning that I was being harassed by someone on his payroll, instead of trying to resolve the situation? Because you didn't make this sound like you wanted to talk about someone on my payroll, but rather were attacking me directly. At least you sounded like you intended to.No, I repeatedly have said, "I want this harassment to stop" and since you are paying the person harassing me, I figured going to you to try and resolve the situation was not a bad option. What I didn't expect was for the harassment to get stepped up, and for you to cut off all contact with me, leave me negative trust, and start this thread. Why is he still paying TwitchySeal for posts he makes publicly harassing me? Because they violated none of the rules of that campaign and I'm not going to kick them out of it over this.Posts I see not fit for receiving a payment are being denied and not paid, which would include posts being considered as "harassment". So you are going to continue paying a user to attack and harass me. Awesome. OK... Why does it say female on his profile? Why does it say 5y/o on yours?My gender is no concern of this forum and I may set it as I like. It says 5 years old because that is literally how old the account is. While your gender is no concern, posing as a female on an internet message board is just another disturbing trend of your behavior. Why is he still claiming to be backed into a corner when he's the one who made first contact? I apologized for what I said, told him that it was not a threat, said I have no ill intentions towards him, and not to mention that he's the one who created this thread, and he's the one who put negative feedback on my profile first. It certainly appears from my end that he's on the offensive and I'm apologetic, not the other way around. Mainly because of the PMs you have been sending around, containing wrong statements and lies about myself.You're also wrong, you had left me a negative feedback first. I don't think I've told any lies about you, and I assume the PMs you're talking about me throwing around were ones in which I said I was considering managing signature campaigns. Why what I am considering doing to help improve the forum threatens you, I will leave up to others to speculate on. I will say that the highlighted red quote is nothing more than another confirmed lie from Lutpin. See a trend yet? Why create this thread, and then not participate in it when I ask questions? Certainly this doesn't suport your, "I did everything remotely possible" claims. I've taken the time to participate in your thread against my better judgement and respond to ridiculous claims from questionable accounts, why don't you show the same courtesy? I'm here answering your "questions".I appreciate you taking part in the discussion. Communication is the only way we will see each other's perspective in this. You've posted that this thread was in response to you seeing messages where I was considering, "dipping my toe in the signature campaign management market" - So do you think that bashing me publicly was a good response to reading I might become a competitor to you? That seems to be an ongoing trend with you where you try to do everything you can to hurt competition, which I find disturbing. It's the PM you wrote about me "extorting" other people and stating that I am an alt account to TwitchySeal and game-protect, which is obviously wrong.You were extorting me. You literally told me to remove the signature and when I refused, I was repeatedly attacked by members who were collecting money from you to do so. Also, my question didn't have anything to do with extortion. I asked why you felt that creating this thread to hurt my reputation was a good response to me considering entering the signature campaign management market. I'd love to have an open conversation about this with you. Since you love posting my PMs anyway, we might as well just hash it out in public. If you'd prefer to discuss this in private so you don't have to answer the above questions publicly, I'm open to that as well. Feel free to PM, email, Slack or IRC me. I'm well aware you already have all that contact info. You have nothing to fear from contacting me. I have absolutely no interest in seeing anything bad happen to you whatsoever. In fact, I'd still just like the harassment of me to stop, and I feel this thread full of random accounts constantly attacking me over how I maintain my trust list is just another method of harassment from you. So you're again accusing me of having alt accounts and using them to harass you?No, I'm accusing you of using this thread as the latest form of harassment against me. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Lutpin on August 20, 2016, 07:05:55 PM I will say that the highlighted red quote is nothing more than another confirmed lie from Lutpin. Nope, that is the truth.I don't think I've told any lies about you, and I assume the PMs you're talking about me throwing around were ones in which I said I was considering managing signature campaigns. Why what I am considering doing to help improve the forum threatens you, I will leave up to others to speculate on. At what point will people begin being concerned that Lutpin is taking over the signature campaign management of this forum by attacking competitors with alt accounts until they give in and let him manage their campaigns? He's literally deriving an income now from extorting signature campaigns into hiring him or else they face the wrath of his alt accounts torment. He even started an account "game-protect" to try and sell a service where he extorts online gambling houses into paying him or else they get attacked. "by attacking competitors with alt accounts until they give in and let him manage their campaigns" - That's wrong.I'm surprised it's gone unnoticed so long, but after a quick look at the signature campaign market, it's obvious this user has made a reputation for himself by using alternate accounts to further his agenda. Lutpin/TwitchySeal/game-protect is literally just attacking any account who advertises signatures from campaigns he isn't running... Just take a look at some of their feedbacks to see just how obvious and ridiculous his scam has gotten: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=154329 I'd rather not have to enter the signature campaign management arena just to put him out of business and try to return some honest behavior to this dark corner of the forum, so I'm open to ideas about how else to combat this problem. "He's literally deriving an income now from extorting signature campaigns into hiring him" - A lie. "He even started an account game-protect to try and sell a service where he extorts online gambling houses into paying him or else they get attacked." - Again, this is wrong. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Wendigo on August 20, 2016, 07:07:05 PM Man I am running out of popcorn bags. This thread is the bee's knees of the Bitcointalk quintessence. Thank God I left the Betcoin campaign before the shit hit the fan because, believe it or not, I knew something like this would happen with so many power-tripping psychos running around on the forum.
Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 20, 2016, 07:12:42 PM I will say that the highlighted red quote is nothing more than another confirmed lie from Lutpin. Nope, that is the truth.That is a lie. My trust rating even has a link to this thread which you started at the same time you left the negative trust. Stop lying. Lies about things that can be confirmed will not benefit you. Please answer all of my questions instead of picking and choosing, you can also ask me some. That is how conversations work. Also, you keep bringing up the alt account thing so let me say publicly my opinion on this. Lutpin pays TwitchySeal to post on this forum. TwitchySeal harasses anything touching Betcoin. game-protect is an alt of TwitchySeal who also threatens and harasses gambling houses. If you look at the trust or public statements I've made, that is all that I've alleged. It is a symbiotic relationship. Since TwitchySeal is obviously a nut, I went to Lutpin to try and resolve this. Lutpin wouldn't communicate with me about it except to say he had nothing to do with it, which I believe is a documented public lie considering he was literally paying for the harassment to continue. Whether they're on the same team with the same agenda, or they are the same person, makes little difference from my perspective. It was all just harassment, and it was being funded by Lutpin. Do I think Lutpin is literally TwitchySeal, no. Do I think they have the same agenda and TwitchySeal is just paid to do the dirty work, yes. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Lutpin on August 20, 2016, 07:14:24 PM Stop lying. Lies about things that can be confirmed will not benefit you. Let us wait and get this confirmed then.Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 20, 2016, 07:23:32 PM Stop lying. Lies about things that can be confirmed will not benefit you. Let us wait and get this confirmed then.The only way it is possible for my trust rating to be first would be if you removed and replaced yours after I left mine. Which might explain why trust feedback from another member was immediately left above mine, to stop me from doing that (I thought that was odd, but didn't make the potential connection until now). I sure hope things like this are logged too, as that would just open another can of worms. While we wait, would you mind answering my questions that you ignored? You are literally paying them money to post lies and harass me. How is this behavior ok with you? ??? How would you know it would have no results? You stopped communicating with me right before all the harassment started. ??? Why did you become defensive and combative with me when learning that I was being harassed by someone on your payroll, instead of trying to resolve the situation? Because you didn't make this sound like you wanted to talk about someone on my payroll, but rather were attacking me directly. At least you sounded like you intended to.No, I repeatedly have said, "I want this harassment to stop" and since you are paying the person harassing me, I figured going to you to try and resolve the situation was not a bad option. What I didn't expect was for the harassment to get stepped up, and for you to cut off all contact with me, leave me negative trust, and start this thread. So I told you I was being harassed by someone on your payroll, and you took this as me not wanting to talk about someone on your payroll? Why is he still paying TwitchySeal for posts he makes publicly harassing me? Because they violated none of the rules of that campaign and I'm not going to kick them out of it over this.Posts I see not fit for receiving a payment are being denied and not paid, which would include posts being considered as "harassment". So you are going to continue paying a user to attack and harass me. Awesome. Why would you continue paying someone to harass me? Doesn't seem like trustworthy behavior to me. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Lutpin on August 20, 2016, 07:40:40 PM Whether they're on the same team with the same agenda, or they are the same person, makes little difference from my perspective. It was all just harassment, and it was being funded by Lutpin. Do I think Lutpin is literally TwitchySeal, no. Do I think they have the same agenda and TwitchySeal is just paid to do the dirty work, yes. Twitchy is being paid for advertising a site in their signature, not for doing anyones "dirty work".Their payment comes from the displaying of that signature below their posts, not from the content of those posts. Should I consider their posts to be violating the forum rules, I report them, should I consider them not being eligible for a payment for some other reason, I exclude those posts. A post which contains open harassment would be one I have to exclude, I did so in the past with a few posts by Twitchy and I will continue to do this, that however doesn't mean I can't pay them for their "good" posts. This doesn't mean I necessarily have to agree with what the user writes, or I "have the same agenda". I pay for a lot of posts which contain very different opinions all over the forum, having a paid signature doesn't mean you are being censored by the people paying you, as long as these posts are acceptable, which opinion the user has is none of my concern, I might openly disagree with them and still pay them for these posts at the end of the round. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 20, 2016, 07:43:13 PM Whether they're on the same team with the same agenda, or they are the same person, makes little difference from my perspective. It was all just harassment, and it was being funded by Lutpin. Do I think Lutpin is literally TwitchySeal, no. Do I think they have the same agenda and TwitchySeal is just paid to do the dirty work, yes. Twitchy is being paid for advertising a site in their signature, not for doing anyones "dirty work".Their payment comes from the displaying of that signature below their posts, not from the content of those posts. Should I consider their posts to be violating the forum rules, I report them, should I consider them not being eligible for a payment for some other reason, I exclude those posts. A post which contains open harassment would be one I have to exclude, I did so in the past with a few posts by Twitchy and I will continue to do this, that however doesn't mean I can't pay them for their "good" posts. This doesn't mean I necessarily have to agree with what the user writes, or I "have the same agenda". I pay for a lot of posts which contain very different opinions all over the forum, having a paid signature doesn't mean you are being censored by the people paying you, as long as these posts are acceptable, which opinion the user has is none of my concern, I might openly disagree with them and still pay them for these posts at the end of the round. So TwitchySeal can go around harassing forum members, and you have no problem paying him to advertise your signature or leaving him positive trust, but if I advertise something you don't like, you have a problem with it and I'm untrusted? Even when I'm taking steps to resolve the situation as quickly as possible? Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Lutpin on August 20, 2016, 07:54:14 PM So TwitchySeal can go around harassing forum members, and you have no problem paying him to advertise your signature or leaving him positive trust, but if I advertise something you don't like, you have a problem with it and I'm untrusted? I hadn't left Twitchy any positive trust, the reason for which I explained in my neutral raiting on their account.If a user posts something inappropriate, I deny this post and they don't get paid for it. That's the immediate penalty for it. Unless they accumulate a lot of inappropriate posts, or totally fall out of line, I don't have to kick them over a few denied posts. I didn't consider Twitchy to have done either. I never said you are untrusted based on the signature you're wearing. Taking the stick around, you are allowed to tell me whom to enroll into a campaign and not, but I am not allowed to suggest you considering who to advertise and who not? Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: actmyname on August 20, 2016, 07:55:23 PM So TwitchySeal can go around harassing forum members, and you have no problem paying him to advertise your signature or leaving him positive trust, but if I advertise something you don't like, you have a problem with it and I'm untrusted? Even when I'm taking steps to resolve the situation as quickly as possible? I just have a question, though - have you read this post? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1322261.0 If you haven't, I'd highly suggest doing so - with an unbiased mind. Also, from which account did Betcoin ask you to advertise for them? (If you wish to answer) Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 20, 2016, 08:11:55 PM Taking the stick around, you are allowed to tell me whom to enroll into a campaign and not, but I am not allowed to suggest you considering who to advertise and who not? No, I don't care who you enroll in your campaign. I simply pointed out that I was being harassed by someone you are paying, for disagreeing with your opinion, and you continue paying them yet claim to have no part in it. You also think this is acceptable and trustworthy behavior. I just have a question, though - have you read this post? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1322261.0 If you haven't, I'd highly suggest doing so - with an unbiased mind. Also, from which account did Betcoin ask you to advertise for them? (If you wish to answer) TwitchySeal has lost all credibility with me. I have him set to ignore. After all the lies and harassment from him, I am more likely to believe the opposite of what he says. If anyone trustworthy had a legitimate first hand complaint, there was a time when I would have loved to have read it. However, the only issue remaining for me is why Lutpin is lying and paying someone to harass me as well as starting threads and leaving negative trust while pretending to be the victim while he is clearly documented to be the aggressor. No, I'm not going to name the person who was harassed into leaving the Betcoin signature campaign management position. It is public knowledge though if you cared to go look at their thread. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: mammabitcoin2u on August 20, 2016, 08:18:21 PM 'm with the other guy who's outta
MY question is STILL UNANSWERED: Explain this "trust". What does OgNasty trusting Mitchell who trusts RHavar (sp?) who trusts Twitchy got to do with anything? How is this connected? If I leave feedback for either OgNasty/Lutpin...........saying "good purchase went smooth and quick" <----that JUST means I made a purchase and I'm leaving a review. I don't believe my feedback links me to anyone. So again ANSWER someone please? @OgNasty........on the post of asking why Lutpin is paying for Twitchy signature....because he is "harassing" you. Because, then anyone who got shafted by Betcoin.ag....could say the same to you AND to anyone using that signature. @Lutpin........saying you are paying for good posts and possibly won't for others.......doesn't say much. As I said, previously, when I see these signatures associated with posts of garbage........I stay away from those sites and don't even bother. Maybe others who play with BTC doesn't give a shit, but I do. And IF I do, there are those who aren't members/aren't posting and reading this too. Again, you both have good reputations. I say keep them as is. I'm beginning to wonder if so many on this forum are kids?? Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 20, 2016, 08:38:51 PM Explain this "trust". What does OgNasty trusting Mitchell who trusts RHavar (sp?) who trusts Twitchy got to do with anything? How is this connected? Use the search function. This isn't the place to learn about how the forum works. You are beating a dead horse. Last time I'm responding to you. https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7729/17731573352_13d1b0906c_o.png Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on August 20, 2016, 09:19:43 PM I won't weigh in on this spat after this, because it's not my spat and no one cares what I think anyway.
Just want to say: I'm in a campaign that Lutpin manages, and I can't imagine anyone would think that Lutpin endorses any of what I say just because I rent out that little signature space. And while I'm grateful that he invited me into the 777 campaign, that doesn't make me a shill for him, either. I would use OGNasty as an escrow--or any other transaction--on this forum in a heartbeat, still. I don't think he's in any way less trustworthy because he posted that Lutpin should off himself. It was a messed up thing to say, but he apologized, and that was the right thing to do. But the two of them are still bitch slapping each other, and it would be nice if this could be resolved peacefully. Obviously there are still some smoldering resentments on both sides, and issues that may or may not be legitimate. As far as the fact that Lutpin put "female" on his profile...that's kind of petty. I don't trust any info on anyone on the profile page, nor should any of that be taken as true. People want to be anonymous--that's the nature of bitcoin. I expect that info on that page to be untrue unless proven otherwise. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 20, 2016, 09:38:37 PM I would use OGNasty as an escrow--or any other transaction--on this forum in a heartbeat, still. Thank you. For me, the issue isn't who's pretending to be female, or whether a signature campaign manager is accountable for what their paid members say or how many alt accounts someone has. It is an issue that Lutpin struck first in every case (messaging me to remove my signature, making this thread, posting personal messages, leaving negative trust) yet claims to be the victim, all while actively paying someone who has been harassing me and saying he will continue to do so. It just doesn't add up and no matter how much distraction and redirection at my responsible trust management comes from anonymous accounts, I don't think this type of behavior is something that would be expected to go unnoticed. Should I have suggested that the problem be resolved by Lutpin killing himself? No. That is why I apologized. Should I be wearing a signature with this much controversy surrounding it? Probably not. That is why I removed it literally as quickly as I possibly could while also showing professional courtesy to those involved. Should Lutpin have given me negative feedback for lashing out at him for paying people to attack me? I would think a simple conversation and end to the funded attacks would have resolved the issue better than another unsolicited attack via this forum. Should he have started this thread with false accusations and alleging that I started this when it is fact that he messaged me first? No. Should he have maybe sent me one message in the 18 days prior to starting this thread and leaving negative feedback? Yes. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: RHavar on August 20, 2016, 10:07:04 PM What I find strange is Lutpin says OgNasty left him negative trust first, and OgNasty says Lutpin left him negative trust first. I have no idea who's telling the truth, but obviously only one of them is. I imagine in the database the trust timestamp is a timestamp and not just a date, so would an admin be so kind as to reveal the liar? ;D
Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Quickseller on August 20, 2016, 10:11:06 PM What I find strange is Lutpin says OgNasty left him negative trust first, and OgNasty says Lutpin left him negative trust first. I have no idea who's telling the truth, but obviously only one of them is. I imagine in the database the trust timestamp is a timestamp and not just a date, so would an admin be so kind as to reveal the liar? ;D I had replied to a PM from OgNasty ~30 minutes after this thread was created, and in the PM I let him know about this thread. At that time, I believe that OgNasty had a negative rating, and Lutpin did not. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 20, 2016, 10:21:05 PM What I find strange is Lutpin says OgNasty left him negative trust first, and OgNasty says Lutpin left him negative trust first. I have no idea who's telling the truth, but obviously only one of them is. I imagine in the database the trust timestamp is a timestamp and not just a date, so would an admin be so kind as to reveal the liar? ;D I had replied to a PM from OgNasty ~30 minutes after this thread was created, and in the PM I let him know about this thread. At that time, I believe that OgNasty had a negative rating, and Lutpin did not. Thank you for that. There are others who should be able to confirm with similar observations. Here was my statement on that, which contains allegations I know better than to make (please see the word MIGHT), but I am still curious about these time stamps. The only way it is possible for my trust rating to be first would be if you removed and replaced yours after I left mine. Which might explain why trust feedback from another member was immediately left above mine, to stop me from doing that (I thought that was odd, but didn't make the potential connection until now). I sure hope things like this are logged too, as that would just open another can of worms. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: suchmoon on August 21, 2016, 12:06:22 AM After reading the first three pages I was going to suggest that whoever posted the neg first should revise it to neutral and ask the other person to do the same and move on. Turns out even that is subject to finger-pointing. So no way to come to an agreement on who negged first?
How about a cease fire for 72 hours, no public or personal communications, and rethink the whole situation after that? Ignore Twitchy and others trying to fan the fire. Surely both Og and Lutpin should be able to see how ridiculous this has become. No two people on this forum can ever 100% agree on everything. But up until this debacle I would have counted OgNasty and Lutpin among people who could at least agree to disagree. Can we somehow keep my illusion alive? No? Please? Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himse Post by: r421x0 on August 21, 2016, 12:26:14 AM OGNasty has a point. He can do whatever the fuck he wants to with his signature and if you were harassing him about it, you're clearly the wrong one. Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean you should harass someone over it. If someone sees his signature and goes on the site that he's advertising, it's not his fault that they are stupid enough to not do any background searching. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1589940.0 Really? You gave him a negative trust over something as stupid as this? Sorry to say this mate, but you don't know a single fucking thing about life. If you're seriously crying over something as small as him saying that because he got fed up, you should just sell your computer. From what I've seen, OGNasty has done nothing but help everyone. His escrow service is probably one of the most trusted ones I've seen. He has never failed to impress me.
Let's also look at some facts. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=520313 - You've been here for one year. And going through your posts, all you have really done is expose spammers or scammers & give many people false reputation. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18321 - He has been here for multiple years. He has helped countless uses and the forum. He uses his own time to help people. I don't understand why you retards think that the trust system can be used just because someone hurt your small-minded self & feelings. In any forum, the trust should be over someone who has done something to benefit a bunch of people, someone who is trustworthy or just someone who deserves it. I agree with suchmoon on most of this. "After reading the first three pages I was going to suggest that whoever posted the neg first should revise it to neutral and ask the other person to do the same and move on. Turns out even that is subject to finger-pointing. So no way to come to an agreement on who negged first? How about a cease fire for 72 hours, no public or personal communications, and rethink the whole situation after that? Ignore Twitchy and others trying to fan the fire. Surely both Og and Lutpin should be able to see how ridiculous this has become. No two people on this forum can ever 100% agree on everything. But up until this debacle I would have counted OgNasty and Lutpin among people who could at least agree to disagree. Can we somehow keep my illusion alive? No? Please?" So just remove your negative trust and get the fuck over it. Kill yourself is almost never taken literally and if you get offended by it, you're just an uneducated retard? Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: InvoKing on August 21, 2016, 12:27:51 AM read this post yesterday (accountless) and tried to avoid it but here i find it again...
this misunderstanding or whatever it is shouldn't happens in the first place...and you two, old wise members, need to calm down and to remove the neg trust, everyone from his own side without waiting to the other to initiate it hate to see such conflicts between two members who have a respectable place among us :-\ move on boys and please close this topic forever Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 21, 2016, 12:50:20 AM I think our relationship is much less hostile than it appears on this thread.
https://i.imgur.com/9Z09yU8.png Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: suchmoon on August 21, 2016, 01:01:15 AM I think our relationship is much less hostile than it appears on this thread. https://i.imgur.com/9Z09yU8.png Since you're communicating elsewhere perhaps locking the thread would help the resolution as the $subject has already been addressed and it's just inviting trolling now. @Lutpin? Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TwitchySeal on August 21, 2016, 02:52:50 AM OgNasty,
I am not games direct, i have not contacted you with any alt account ever, I have not attempted to extort you and I have not intentionally misrepresented our communication in any way. Its really fucked up the way you keep lying about me in this thread which leads others to assume what you say must already be proven to be true. You've been asked by others to provide evidence and you haven't and won't because there is none. edit: Also want to add:if anyone thinks I'm trying to be sneaky or dishonest about anything in any way,feel free to ask/accuse me directly by pm, or even better publicly. The more direct the better. (I'm traveling, on my phone, abd not totally caught up with things btw) Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: ezeminer on August 21, 2016, 03:44:56 AM Well just getting bored and investigating the ratings.
Just cut all ties with each other. To all the trolls just don't encourage it, there are real people behind the computer screen. To have prevented this in the first place, don't engage into people that just need to rant. Let them rant and get it out, sometimes we just need to vent. Life is stressful, try to clear your system of stuff you don't want. I haven't read everything, but if you want to call out good members, try and be civil and just reach out over a message voicing concern and providing real evidence. If it is found true, leave a neutral trust warning people of it. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Vod on August 21, 2016, 06:17:11 AM I think Quickseller really should kill himself.
Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: r421x0 on August 21, 2016, 06:20:07 AM I think Quickseller really should kill himself. Here's a man who's decent enough to straight up say it instead of causing a controversial topic like this. Lutpin, I recommend that you take some time off to figure out what to do with your life and stop mini modding the forum, it's about Bitcoin; not spammers. You've practically done nothing for Bitcoin or its users, so why should you have the right to be on DT? Especially considering the fact that you abuse it so much. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Vod on August 21, 2016, 06:25:05 AM I think Quickseller really should kill himself. Here's a man who's decent enough to straight up say it instead of causing a controversial topic like this. Lutpin, I recommend that you take some time off to figure out what to do with your life and stop mini modding the forum, it's about Bitcoin; not spammers. You've practically done nothing for Bitcoin or its users, so why should you have the right to be on DT? Especially considering the fact that you abuse it so much. I'm not taking the side of Lutpin, or OgNasty. It's just the way I feel - the forum would be much better off if Quickseller would take his own life. :-\ But now you've done it! Quickseller had me on ignore, so he never would have read my message (lol). Now HE is free to start another multi page thread about how my feelings interfere with his way of life. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Wendigo on August 21, 2016, 06:38:06 AM This whole feedback system is a load of crap. Theymos should remove this 'feature' or should I say cancer of the forum and everything will fall into place. No more circle-jerking and green trust whoring by anyone. Wouldn't it be wonderful?
Also remove the shitty signatures as well. I bet this will cause a natural culling of all simpletons here. Darwin's law in action. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: mammabitcoin2u on August 21, 2016, 07:17:31 AM Explain this "trust". What does OgNasty trusting Mitchell who trusts RHavar (sp?) who trusts Twitchy got to do with anything? How is this connected? Use the search function. This isn't the place to learn about how the forum works. You are beating a dead horse. Last time I'm responding to you. https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7729/17731573352_13d1b0906c_o.png I know how the forum works. I understand how trust/neg feedback is applied. Your reasoning for "removing feedback" doesn't make sense and isn't how the forum works. Just because you "trust/distrust" someone doesn't mean everyone should. ::) I'm happy to learn people's opinions/views through this thread. This thread/issue is dead as far as I'm concerned. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Anduck on August 21, 2016, 04:02:16 PM This whole feedback system is a load of crap. Theymos should remove this 'feature' or should I say cancer of the forum and everything will fall into place. No more circle-jerking and green trust whoring by anyone. Wouldn't it be wonderful? Also remove the shitty signatures as well. I bet this will cause a natural culling of all simpletons here. Darwin's law in action. I totally agree that this feedback system sucks. So much drama because of it.. The sig thing is a fun one, and actually gives an incentive for people to participate here. People who post content get paid for it. Bitcoin kind of uniquely enables this sig system to actually work like it does here. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: EcuaMobi on August 21, 2016, 05:15:59 PM I think Quickseller really should kill himself. Here's a man who's decent enough to straight up say it instead of causing a controversial topic like this. Lutpin, I recommend that you take some time off to figure out what to do with your life and stop mini modding the forum, it's about Bitcoin; not spammers. You've practically done nothing for Bitcoin or its users, so why should you have the right to be on DT? Especially considering the fact that you abuse it so much. I'm not taking the side of Lutpin, or OgNasty. It's just the way I feel - the forum would be much better off if Quickseller would take his own life. :-\ Is this supposed to be sick joke? I know you both lose control when talking about the other so lately I've just tried to ignore posts by you mentioning QS or by him mentioning you (while I do read posts by the both of you otherwise) but if you really mean this then you're quite inestable. I hope that's not the case and I just don't get your humor. Is this a joke or not? Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: cpfreeplz on August 21, 2016, 05:29:21 PM I think Quickseller really should kill himself. *Vod runs in with a gas tank* "Where's the fire?!" I know how to solve the negative feedback issue. Whoever left retaliation feedback, change the feedback to neutral. Whoever is left with a negative feedback on their profile is the one who got negged first. Ok go! Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: cakir on August 21, 2016, 05:34:38 PM I think Quickseller really should kill himself. Here's a man who's decent enough to straight up say it instead of causing a controversial topic like this. Lutpin, I recommend that you take some time off to figure out what to do with your life and stop mini modding the forum, it's about Bitcoin; not spammers. You've practically done nothing for Bitcoin or its users, so why should you have the right to be on DT? Especially considering the fact that you abuse it so much. I'm not taking the side of Lutpin, or OgNasty. It's just the way I feel - the forum would be much better off if Quickseller would take his own life. :-\ But now you've done it! Quickseller had me on ignore, so he never would have read my message (lol). Now HE is free to start another multi page thread about how my feelings interfere with his way of life. Hi Vod, I got a pm from self escrow scammer Quickscammer because you're on my trust list. (referenced post is the quoted one) Here's pm: Quote Hello, I am not sure if you have seen this post or not, however it is a deeply disturbing post by Vod. As of now, you have Vod in your trust list, and as a result, I believe that you should be made aware of the above. Although the inclusion of someone in your trust list is not a direct endorsement of everything someone says or does, I do believe it is an endorsement of their behavior and business practices. If you do not condone this kind of behavior, then please remove and/or exclude Vod from your trust list. In order to remove Vod from your trust list you will have to do the following: Go to Profile --> Trust --> Trust Settings --> Delete Vod from your trust list (or add a '~' in front of Vod's name) --> Update If you decline to remove Vod from your trust list, then I will make it publicly known that you condone the kind of behavior displayed in the above linked post. If you wish to discuss this matter, I am available via forum PM. If you wish to keep our communications private, then my PGP key can be found in my profile, and here. Regards QS I don't know what you've done but I'm sure you're right what you've done. As I my trust settings I do trust you & your judgements ;) Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: defcon23 on August 21, 2016, 05:47:09 PM I think Quickseller really should kill himself. it is sometimes better to be silent and to imply that you're a a fool, rather than to speak and remove all doubt .... what a pitty ... Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: redsn0w on August 21, 2016, 05:49:29 PM This whole feedback system is a load of crap. Theymos should remove this 'feature' or should I say cancer of the forum and everything will fall into place. No more circle-jerking and green trust whoring by anyone. Wouldn't it be wonderful? Also remove the shitty signatures as well. I bet this will cause a natural culling of all simpletons here. Darwin's law in action. Do you think he should really remove the DefaultTrust system? Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: ndnh on August 21, 2016, 06:15:42 PM I think Quickseller really should kill himself. Here's a man who's decent enough to straight up say it instead of causing a controversial topic like this. Lutpin, I recommend that you take some time off to figure out what to do with your life and stop mini modding the forum, it's about Bitcoin; not spammers. You've practically done nothing for Bitcoin or its users, so why should you have the right to be on DT? Especially considering the fact that you abuse it so much. I'm not taking the side of Lutpin, or OgNasty. It's just the way I feel - the forum would be much better off if Quickseller would take his own life. :-\ But now you've done it! Quickseller had me on ignore, so he never would have read my message (lol). Now HE is free to start another multi page thread about how my feelings interfere with his way of life. I don't appreciate this kind of attitude from a DT member. It is the same as 'I think QS should leave the forum' yet you put it in a terrible way. Agreed. Lutpin, despite what I may or may not think of you and your behavior, suggesting you kill yourself, even if being sarcastic, was not appropriate and I am sorry I made the comment. If you killed yourself as a result of my statement, I would certainly lose sleep over it and feel a great deal of guilt. While I tend to think people are a little too sensitive these days, my own beliefs don't excuse me from perceived threats and I'm sorry that you thought I was threatening you, I wasn't. Rather than asking you to provide IP evidence it was me who made the comment, I've taken responsibility for my actions and apologized. I should not have said that you should kill yourself. I did, and I am sorry. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: sho_road_warrior on August 21, 2016, 07:13:29 PM Whats with the hijacking? Post on topic or in another thread.
Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Vod on August 21, 2016, 08:25:47 PM I don't appreciate this kind of attitude from a DT member. It is the same as 'I think QS should leave the forum' yet you put it in a terrible way. My thoughts are my thoughts. Everyone knows I am a scambuster, and everyone knows that Quickseller is a scammer. He's not "deeply disturbed" of my thoughts - he could care less what I think. He's just trying, as usual, to get me removed from DT. ;) I hope I made my point. Posts about feelings are not threats. Let Quickseller's BLACKMAIL begin! Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: yahoo62278 on August 22, 2016, 02:20:21 AM OK i just got caught up in reading this whole thread.(quite a long 1 btw) Im not taking sides with anyone as i dont wanna be in the middle of anything and i see OG has removed his sig. I do have a question though.
Alot of you DT members have threatened to tag or have tagged users for basically the same actions as OGNasty. Promoting ponzis, Advertising scam sites, Self escrow, selling accounts, msdn keys, and many other activities. Therefore anyone promoting the site should be tagged according to past tags by you DT users. What makes OGNasty any different? I realize he personally isnt a scammer, hes just getting paid. SO WERE OTHERS, yet they still must wear that neg tag correct? Im not saying either way is correct. Do tag ppl who advertise sites whore known shitholes or dont. I am saying users should be treated the same 100% across the board no matter who they are. Its kinda hypocritical for 1 situation to be ok because the user is DT and everyone else is just screwed IMO. Personally if theres gonna be this DT list you should all get together collectively and form a set of guidelines. This way everyone is on the same page and thing are done correct. Just basing my opinion off things ive seen in the past Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: grtthegreat on August 22, 2016, 02:38:00 AM Frankly speaking, when Betcoin.AG told me about him hiring OgNasty, at that point of time, I knew this wasn't going to end well for OgNasty because OgNasty is highly trusted and he was hired by a website for advertisement which was known for being shady.
Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: CryptoDatabase on August 22, 2016, 03:15:07 AM OK i just got caught up in reading this whole thread.(quite a long 1 btw) Im not taking sides with anyone as i dont wanna be in the middle of anything and i see OG has removed his sig. I do have a question though. Alot of you DT members have threatened to tag or have tagged users for basically the same actions as OGNasty. Promoting ponzis, Advertising scam sites, Self escrow, selling accounts, msdn keys, and many other activities. Therefore anyone promoting the site should be tagged according to past tags by you DT users. What makes OGNasty any different? I realize he personally isnt a scammer, hes just getting paid. SO WERE OTHERS, yet they still must wear that neg tag correct? Im not saying either way is correct. Do tag ppl who advertise sites whore known shitholes or dont. I am saying users should be treated the same 100% across the board no matter who they are. Its kinda hypocritical for 1 situation to be ok because the user is DT and everyone else is just screwed IMO. Personally if theres gonna be this DT list you should all get together collectively and form a set of guidelines. This way everyone is on the same page and thing are done correct. Just basing my opinion off things ive seen in the past The DT trust system is a joke, personally I don't trust any of them based solely on most of them being so full of shit it's annoying. They don't follow the rules they claim to set for everyone else therefore their opinions mean absolutely nothing to me. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: betlord90 on August 22, 2016, 03:25:44 AM DT people should do proper investigation for theirself before believing some shit trolls here, people gonna make some bad accussations to anyone and maybr they are there business competitor and making some bad propaganda so they can stain the image of the business itself.
Try to investigate about people keep barking against that site so you can see that theirs something fishy around there thats why he do chasing and keep barking and barking again to that succeesfull site. I believe they are payed ones by someone who owns a gambling site to eliminate ther competitor. OGNasty and lutpin should move on now and let the red tags remove to each other to avoid commotion and if they continue that i think the word war would provably spread and maybe it can hit another users ego and creates another flame wars. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Vod on August 22, 2016, 07:08:40 AM *Vod runs in with a gas tank* "Where's the fire?!" More like I run in with an extinguisher! It certainly calmed this hot topic down... My post has accomplished what I wanted it to - make people realize that one person's feelings does not a personal threat make. The only person that really reacted was QuickSeller - and he sent a lie and threat off to a couple dozen people. He said he was "deeply disturbed" by what he read - but we all know you cannot be affected by words unless you respect those words - which Quickseller does not. Quickseller does not respect anyone but himself. Typical scammer/psychopath behavior. :) Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TwitchySeal on August 22, 2016, 07:48:57 AM
Recap: July 29
Hi Theymos, ( Entertaining response from Betcoin - at least imo ) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1560162.msg15759496#msg15759496) I'll make this short. Please do not allow Betcoin.ag to advertise on this forum. They have refused to respond to numerous scam accusations relying on their signature campaign members to build their reputation rather than earning it by behaving reputable. They are currently bidding on forum advertisements because their signature campaign members will be likely receiving negative trust at the end of the month. Please let me know if providing links, explanations or anything would make things more clear. Thanks, TwitchySeal Thanks for letting me know, I rejected his bid. August 1
August 4-5
I'm going to paint your other account red with negative feedback if you don't remove this. Thought I'd give you the chance to do the right thing first. Here's the negative feedback I'll be returning to you tomorrow if you do not remove the unwarranted negative feedback immediately. I will be more harsh to alt accounts I discover linked to this account, as well as alerting the scam patrol and moderator staff to do the same. Please do the right thing and save us both the time and negative energy. Quote Leaving negative feedback because of who purchased my advertising? Clearly this unstable individual and his service should be avoided.[/color][/b][/size] What other account ??? I'm not going to dignify you with any further discussion. Tomorrow I will leave you negative feedback if you do not do the right thing. If you send me any other message besides apologize for leaving me negative trust because I fulfilled the promise of my signature auction then I will set your account to ignore. I'm not going to play games with you.. Good luck. Seek help for your gambling addiction. Nobody is to blame for your current situation but yourself.You do realize that is the forum's policy, right? If you were to remove your negative trust, I can put in a policy that companies with negative trust can no longer bid on my signature advertising slot. This would mean I would no longer be advertising for betcoin.ag (or similar untrusted organizations) at the end of this month. That is the best I can do without breaking the contract I have in place, and is a final attempt at compromise to end this feud with you. Games-Protect does not remove his OgNasty negative feedback and...
Remove it... edit: Hi, August 4-5 -> this is not true.
- I gave OgNasty a negative feedback like I gave to all the other promoters - I did not contact OgNasty asking him for anything - After he realized that I gave him a negative feedback, he sent me pms and threaten me to remove it Your recap below is correct:
I'm going to paint your other account red with negative feedback if you don't remove this. Thought I'd give you the chance to do the right thing first. ...Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: tertius993 on August 22, 2016, 08:00:02 AM I think Quickseller really should kill himself. Here's a man who's decent enough to straight up say it instead of causing a controversial topic like this. Lutpin, I recommend that you take some time off to figure out what to do with your life and stop mini modding the forum, it's about Bitcoin; not spammers. You've practically done nothing for Bitcoin or its users, so why should you have the right to be on DT? Especially considering the fact that you abuse it so much. I'm not taking the side of Lutpin, or OgNasty. It's just the way I feel - the forum would be much better off if Quickseller would take his own life. :-\ But now you've done it! Quickseller had me on ignore, so he never would have read my message (lol). Now HE is free to start another multi page thread about how my feelings interfere with his way of life. Hi Vod, I got a pm from self escrow scammer Quickscammer because you're on my trust list. (referenced post is the quoted one) Here's pm: Quote Hello, I am not sure if you have seen this post or not, however it is a deeply disturbing post by Vod. As of now, you have Vod in your trust list, and as a result, I believe that you should be made aware of the above. Although the inclusion of someone in your trust list is not a direct endorsement of everything someone says or does, I do believe it is an endorsement of their behavior and business practices. If you do not condone this kind of behavior, then please remove and/or exclude Vod from your trust list. In order to remove Vod from your trust list you will have to do the following: Go to Profile --> Trust --> Trust Settings --> Delete Vod from your trust list (or add a '~' in front of Vod's name) --> Update If you decline to remove Vod from your trust list, then I will make it publicly known that you condone the kind of behavior displayed in the above linked post. If you wish to discuss this matter, I am available via forum PM. If you wish to keep our communications private, then my PGP key can be found in my profile, and here. Regards QS I don't know what you've done but I'm sure you're right what you've done. As I my trust settings I do trust you & your judgements ;) I too have received that PM. Although I certainly do not support Vod's words in that post - they seem quite inappropriate to me - I also do not care to be blackmailed, so I do not intend to change my trust list as a result of this. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Vod on August 22, 2016, 08:05:12 AM I too have received that PM.... ...I do not intend to change my trust list as a result of this. Yes, it seems QS sent his lie/blackmail to quite a number of people, in the blind hope I would be ostracized from this forum. Don't worry - his past actions mean his word means little to the community. Stand by who you trust, and do not be worried that QS can affect you in any way. :) Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: dooglus on August 22, 2016, 08:15:18 AM for the love of God , dooglus, remove Lutpin from DT - such an annoying , irritating, manipulative, childish little twat does not deserve to be there! If you want me to see your message in a timely manner, try PMing me rather than posting in a thread I am unaware of. I never added Lutpin to DT and don't even know who he is. It looks to me like he's in cryptodevil's trust list. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: CryptoDatabase on August 22, 2016, 09:02:44 AM I too have received that PM.... ...I do not intend to change my trust list as a result of this. Yes, it seems QS sent his lie/blackmail to quite a number of people, in the blind hope I would be ostracized from this forum. Don't worry - his past actions mean his word means little to the community. Stand by who you trust, and do not be worried that QS can affect you in any way. :) I'm curious, you have stated in this post that what QS said was blackmail. You are close as it is actually extortion but what is your view on OgNasty saying an almost identical thing but his fellow DT clowns claim it isn't actually extortion? Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 22, 2016, 09:15:28 AM I love the irony that in a community with an ideology highly focused on privacy and freedom, someone feels it is their right to tell me who to trust and what I can advertise.
Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: r421x0 on August 22, 2016, 09:24:54 AM I love the irony that in a community with an ideology highly focused on privacy and freedom, someone feels it is their right to tell me who to trust and what I can advertise. You should create your own forum. This one is full of third world country scammers, spammers and literal retards. From what I've seen, most would kill their own mother for a few cents. They're the biggest hypocrites, considering the fact that if they were paid even 1/2 of what you were to wear the signature, they wouldn't think twice before accepting. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: ndnh on August 22, 2016, 02:01:19 PM I don't appreciate this kind of attitude from a DT member. It is the same as 'I think QS should leave the forum' yet you put it in a terrible way. My thoughts are my thoughts. Everyone knows I am a scambuster, and everyone knows that Quickseller is a scammer. He's not "deeply disturbed" of my thoughts - he could care less what I think. He's just trying, as usual, to get me removed from DT. ;) I hope I made my point. Posts about feelings are not threats. Let Quickseller's BLACKMAIL begin! You absolutely don't need to post your thoughts that doesn't make anyone feel better. I have removed Quickseller (along with Vod) from my trust list (not that it matters ;D), but I don't believe he is a scammer. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TwitchySeal on August 22, 2016, 06:32:07 PM I love the irony that in a community with an ideology highly focused on privacy and freedom, someone feels it is their right to tell me who to trust and what I can advertise. You are certainly embracing it: https://i.gyazo.com/9c32a72bb2dfca1c7ad48dd5b1659244.png Did Theymos have his freedom violated also? Hi Theymos, ( Entertaining response from Betcoin - at least imo ) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1560162.msg15759496#msg15759496) I'll make this short. Please do not allow Betcoin.ag to advertise on this forum. They have refused to respond to numerous scam accusations relying on their signature campaign members to build their reputation rather than earning it by behaving reputable. They are currently bidding on forum advertisements because their signature campaign members will be likely receiving negative trust at the end of the month. Please let me know if providing links, explanations or anything would make things more clear. Thanks, TwitchySeal Thanks for letting me know, I rejected his bid. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TwitchySeal on August 22, 2016, 06:37:49 PM I also just received a pm from Games-Protect informing me I was mistaken in my timeline:
Hi, August 4-5 -> this is not true.
- I gave OgNasty a negative feedback like I gave to all the other promoters - I did not contact OgNasty asking him for anything - After he realized that I gave him a negative feedback, he sent me pms and threaten me to remove it Your recap below is correct:
I'm going to paint your other account red with negative feedback if you don't remove this. Thought I'd give you the chance to do the right thing first. ...This makes OgNastys entire accusation of being "extorted" invalid. He received negative feedback from a user for his decision to promote a site. He retaliated with threats to Games-Protect and ultimately "painted his account red" and also mine with complete lies and zero evidence of any kind. In the end he changed his signature anyway. wtf. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 22, 2016, 06:52:45 PM In the end he changed his signature anyway. wtf. Indeed. I also apologized for my comment that supposedly initiated this thread. Yet the attacks continue and Lutpin still won't lock the thread. Sort of makes you wonder who was the one being harassed huh? I guess we're just waiting for an administrator to confirm he's lying about leaving me negative trust first so he'll remove it and apologize. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: suchmoon on August 22, 2016, 07:17:44 PM In the end he changed his signature anyway. wtf. Why are you still chomping at it if you got what you wanted? Ok, so Og wasn't quite as nice with you as you expected, I get that. But there is nothing to be gained anymore and he's very unlikely (to put it mildly) to become your best friend if you keep pestering him. Seriously kids these days... I thought I'm a no-life troll but y'all take it to a whole new level. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TwitchySeal on August 22, 2016, 07:23:04 PM In the end he changed his signature anyway. wtf. Indeed. I also apologized for my comment that supposedly initiated this thread. Yet the attacks continue and Lutpin still won't lock the thread. Sort of makes you wonder who was the one being harassed huh? I guess we're just waiting for an administrator to confirm he's lying about leaving me negative trust first so he'll remove it and apologize. Are you talking about Lutpin as the same person as Games-Protect? Because that's the first person who gave you negative trust for sure. I think you lied about the whole extortion thing though. I think they left you negative feedback and then you harassed them with multiple threats. Are you assuming this is Lutpin talking right now? Or if not, the same person as Games-Protect? Do you really think it's impossible that I am an individual that has not contacted you in any way from any account other than my own? Because that's the truth. If you were or are being harassed, just post the harassment. You have my permission to post whatever you have from me. Insult me, tell people you think I should kill myself just quit making statements about me that are false and then trying to play the role of victim while you refuse to address these statements. Post evidence. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TwitchySeal on August 22, 2016, 07:23:59 PM In the end he changed his signature anyway. wtf. Why are you still chomping at it if you got what you wanted? Ok, so Og wasn't quite as nice with you as you expected, I get that. But there is nothing to be gained anymore and he's very unlikely (to put it mildly) to become your best friend if you keep pestering him. Seriously kids these days... I thought I'm a no-life troll but y'all take it to a whole new level. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: betlord90 on August 22, 2016, 11:34:05 PM In the end he changed his signature anyway. wtf. Why are you still chomping at it if you got what you wanted? Ok, so Og wasn't quite as nice with you as you expected, I get that. But there is nothing to be gained anymore and he's very unlikely (to put it mildly) to become your best friend if you keep pestering him. Seriously kids these days... I thought I'm a no-life troll but y'all take it to a whole new level. so your telling OGnasty is lying about your extortion to him???? and you are not lying then?? how great you are, your going to be a saint for that. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: betlord90 on August 23, 2016, 01:34:56 AM the best thing they can do now is to remove each others red paint and move on, so this thread will be lock
for twitchyseal Back Off Man stop adding fire of this conflict your not helping here paid shill, its better for you to shut up and leave this thread. let lutpin and ognasty fix this. people should watch on wat twitchyseal going to work on here see his post history https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=538922;sa=showPosts;start=1180 this will show up his real agenda, payed fucker. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TwitchySeal on August 23, 2016, 02:14:33 AM so your telling OGnasty is lying about your extortion to him???? Yes. I am. And that's not the only thing OgNasty is lying about. It wouldn't be hard to prove me wrong If he were telling the truth either. and you are not lying then?? No. I'm not lying. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: CryptoDatabase on August 23, 2016, 03:46:34 AM the best thing they can do now is to remove each others red paint and move on, so this thread will be lock for twitchyseal Back Off Man stop adding fire of this conflict your not helping here paid shill, its better for you to shut up and leave this thread. let lutpin and ognasty fix this. people should watch on wat twitchyseal going to work on here see his post history https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=538922;sa=showPosts;start=1180 this will show up his real agenda, payed fucker. Why are you hiding behind an alt account like a coward and talking shit to people who aren't? It is you that should fuck off. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to look through your post history and see who you are. From what I have seen from Twitchy he is correct. If someone is bold enough to make an accusation they should be smart enough to back their claims up and not come up with bullshit like 'i can't post it'. I'll add my own accusation against you here. You are a bigoted piece of shit who needs to learn respect. Evidence you say? Your post history. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Joel_Jantsen on August 23, 2016, 05:47:38 AM for twitchyseal Back Off Man stop adding fire of this conflict your not helping here paid shill, its better for you to shut up and leave this thread. Doesn't twitchy have the rights to voice his opinions ? Asking him to "Shut-up" and "leave the thread" is intimidating.You're giving him direct orders which is not tolerated in a user driven community.Each and every opinion equally matters until is on-topic and adds something constructive to the thread.Twitchy is certainly doing a great job.You're jumping out of your bounds by being dominant of your orders. people should watch on wat twitchyseal going to work on here see his post history https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=538922;sa=showPosts;start=1180 this will show up his real agenda, payed fucker. I don't see anything wrong with his post history.All I see is someone dedicating their precious time to save people from losing their valuable coins on the Casinos that are stealing it.He is not getting paid for it,I may add.So stop bring your personal grudges in the matter which are being openly discussed in the community.Twitchy is equally involved in the case as much Lutpin is. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: ab8989 on August 23, 2016, 01:59:31 PM I love the irony that in a community with an ideology highly focused on privacy and freedom, someone feels it is their right to tell me who to trust and what I can advertise. Would you feel the same that even privately expressing an opinion about trust issues and morality of doing various things is wrong in a context of some another community that maintains an official trust list and where it is considered just a courtesy when people are telling others how they should correct their publicly expressed trust in manipulating such global official trust list towards the goals of one? Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: betlord90 on August 23, 2016, 09:24:18 PM What a crappy forgery. protip: when faking a chat log in an attempt to make someone look bad remember to always spell their name correctly Now you say this guy isn't lying?? Dooglus confirm that he photoshop his ss proof. C'mon guys wake up, twitchy is brain sick faggot. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TwitchySeal on August 23, 2016, 09:28:51 PM lol
read the post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1554617.msg15955992#msg15955992 Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: actmyname on August 24, 2016, 01:47:19 AM What a crappy forgery. protip: when faking a chat log in an attempt to make someone look bad remember to always spell their name correctly Now you say this guy isn't lying?? Dooglus confirm that he photoshop his ss proof. C'mon guys wake up, twitchy is brain sick faggot. What's with the clashing opinions? What a crappy forgery. protip: when faking a chat log in an attempt to make someone look bad remember to always spell their name correctly Busted. First ajundftd gets busted then Twitchy is "brain sick faggot"? What? Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Racey on August 24, 2016, 02:11:37 PM Is it good practice to send messages to those that have deemed your trust with red.
I have red trust since April 2015 and have well learned not to play HYIP scams ever again. HYIP brings shame on those who use them, like me, posting about your winnings and returns actually gives others a false sense of security. I am guilty of this myself, and very sorry I did this to those that followed my lead. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: dooglus on August 24, 2016, 04:10:44 PM What a crappy forgery. protip: when faking a chat log in an attempt to make someone look bad remember to always spell their name correctly Now you say this guy isn't lying?? Dooglus confirm that he photoshop his ss proof. C'mon guys wake up, twitchy is brain sick faggot. Try to keep up. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: lottery248 on August 25, 2016, 06:46:48 AM first of all,
Quote arguing on the internet is like running on the special olympics, even if you win, you are still retarded. -JRR shut the fuck up foundation second, AFAIK a person named himself Robertt is always engaging the baseless sexual trolls, resulting his alts banned. if this case is similar, then the person to be more likely banned, is who made the threat first, because this is sort of explicit-deadly threats. if the victim suicided in case, then threatener would commit indirect murder. i am not intended to involve the flame war, if person who started this flame war, ie either Ognasty or lutpin (not sure) to apologize, this war would be terminated peacefully. just imo. ??? Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: smoothie on August 25, 2016, 09:13:16 PM https://i.imgur.com/81x6Hhhl.jpg
This is what I see ^ Hopefully everything between the two parties can be resolved in a civil manner. :) Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: ajareselde on August 26, 2016, 05:32:55 PM first of all, Quote arguing on the internet is like running on the special olympics, even if you win, you are still retarded. -JRR shut the fuck up foundation second, AFAIK a person named himself Robertt is always engaging the baseless sexual trolls, resulting his alts banned. if this case is similar, then the person to be more likely banned, is who made the threat first, because this is sort of explicit-deadly threats. if the victim suicided in case, then threatener would commit indirect murder. i am not intended to involve the flame war, if person who started this flame war, ie either Ognasty or lutpin (not sure) to apologize, this war would be terminated peacefully. just imo. ??? You didn't even read the thread, did you ? https://i.imgur.com/81x6Hhhl.jpg This is what I see ^ Hopefully everything between the two parties can be resolved in a civil manner. :) More or less accurate. This thread is just plain dumb, can't believe some people even consider the "threat" real. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TwitchySeal on August 26, 2016, 06:30:17 PM You didn't even read the thread, did you ? -snip- More or less accurate. This thread is just plain dumb, can't believe some people even consider the "threat" real. You didn't even read the thread, did you? There was no "threat". The thread was started because of OgNasty's temper tantrum. First he chose to advertise for Betcoin.ag in exchange for "several hundred dollars" worth of BTC Shortly after, both Lutpin and I sent him pms trying to pursuade him to change his mind. I haven't read Lutpins, but I was pretty damn diplomatic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1582065.0) Not long after, GamesProtect left OgNasty negative feedback. At the time, this was the only negative feedback anywhere on OgNastys profile. OgNasty contacted GamesProtect and did everything he could to get the loan negative feedback removed (without removing his signature) The following are pms FROM: OgNasty TO: GamesProtect Source: this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1589940.msg15982891#msg15982891) I'm going to paint your other account red with negative feedback if you don't remove this. Thought I'd give you the chance to do the right thing first. Here's the negative feedback I'll be returning to you tomorrow if you do not remove the unwarranted negative feedback immediately. I will be more harsh to alt accounts I discover linked to this account, as well as alerting the scam patrol and moderator staff to do the same. Please do the right thing and save us both the time and negative energy. Quote Leaving negative feedback because of who purchased my advertising? Clearly this unstable individual and his service should be avoided. I'm not going to dignify you with any further discussion. Tomorrow I will leave you negative feedback if you do not do the right thing. If you send me any other message besides apologize for leaving me negative trust because I fulfilled the promise of my signature auction then I will set your account to ignore. I'm not going to play games with you.. Good luck. Seek help for your gambling addiction. Nobody is to blame for your current situation but yourself. You do realize that is the forum's policy, right? If you were to remove your negative trust, I can put in a policy that companies with negative trust can no longer bid on my signature advertising slot. This would mean I would no longer be advertising for betcoin.ag (or similar untrusted organizations) at the end of this month. That is the best I can do without breaking the contract I have in place, and is a final attempt at compromise to end this feud with you. After OgNasty realized his threats didn't work on GamesProtect, he decided to flip a shit on Lutpin and Myself. He bitched and moaned and spread lies in attempt to make himself out to be the victim. Like a spoiled 12 year old. One of the things he said, mid-tantrum, was "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Since then, he's apologized for saying "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." and stopped advertising for the scummy website. Unfortunately he is too stubborn to admit any other wrong doing, and continues to spread lies about myself, Lutpin and GamesProtect. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: ajareselde on August 26, 2016, 07:57:10 PM ...You didn't even read the thread, did you? There was no "threat".... I did read, and i stand by what i said. I only referred to it as "threat" because that's how warmongers in here called it. (By next week they say it was an attempted murder probably..) btw there are 2 mentions of this being a threat in OP alone - glad we agree how this being a threat is a lie. ...Their messages included vague threats in my direction ... Code: ...<DeepSpace>OgNasty, I am hereby warning you to keep death [u]threats [/u]away from these chats..... .. second page of thread - 33 instances of word threat, 2nd one - 25 times word threat .. etc.. As if someone wants to blow this out of proportion. ::) He bitched and moaned and spread lies in attempt to make himself out to be the victim. Like a spoiled 12 year old. OgNasty bitched and moaned???? (Guess i missed that part) ? Or are you saying that because you have a grudge against him ? Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: minifrij on August 26, 2016, 08:05:02 PM Whether this threat was blown out of proportion is down to personal opinion, but people understand the language they are using. As if you don't. ::) I am a fool who apparently cannot properly read posts prior to replying to them. My apologies. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on August 26, 2016, 08:16:59 PM I don't think you quite understand what a threat is; it is not dependent on whether there is any real base to what is said. For example, if I were to say "I'm going to come to your house and steal all of your Bitcoins" it would still be a threat regardless of my likelihood of following through with it. If you were to say, "You should send all your BTC to 1BitcoinEaterAddress" would that still be a threat? Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TwitchySeal on August 26, 2016, 09:08:45 PM -snip- You're right, there were threats. I just meant the subject isn't a threat and, in my opinion not even that big of a deal compared to blatant lies.OgNasty bitched and moaned???? (Guess i missed that part) ? Or are you saying that because you have a grudge against him ? It's hard not to have a grudge against someone who goes out of their way to treat you like shit and spread lies as if they were confirmed facts - and then simply ignore all attempts to defend myself.Even with grudge and all...pretty sure he's bitching and moaning here though. (and also completely wrong) Code: <Slck><ognasty> I'm tired of the harassment. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: oksana28 on August 27, 2016, 02:16:36 PM So the war is over now,i am sure lutpin added his feedback to ognasty, but I will wait to see what admin says.
Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: FruitsBasket on August 31, 2016, 11:05:21 AM It looks like everyone is getting butthurt, it is so weird to see DT members act as 8 year old kids.
Just both remove the feedback, I am sure those 'I hope Lutpin will kill himself' isn't really meant as u guys think. OgNasty is just tired of being accused for promoting a scam, I am not saying it was Lutpin. Both quit your childish behaviour and get over it. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: criptix on September 03, 2016, 10:39:43 PM It looks like everyone is getting butthurt, it is so weird to see DT members act as 8 year old kids. Just both remove the feedback, I am sure those 'I hope Lutpin will kill himself' isn't really meant as u guys think. OgNasty is just tired of being accused for promoting a scam, I am not saying it was Lutpin. Both quit your childish behaviour and get over it. Should just remove the trust system and make a database of trades. Users can then check for them self if someone is trustworthy or not. The trust system right now with account farmers/buyers/sellers and trust farming/trading/buying/selling just doesn't do anything anymore. It is pretty much worthless. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: FruitsBasket on September 03, 2016, 10:44:18 PM It looks like everyone is getting butthurt, it is so weird to see DT members act as 8 year old kids. Just both remove the feedback, I am sure those 'I hope Lutpin will kill himself' isn't really meant as u guys think. OgNasty is just tired of being accused for promoting a scam, I am not saying it was Lutpin. Both quit your childish behaviour and get over it. Should just remove the trust system and make a database of trades. Users can then check for them self if someone is trustworthy or not. The trust system right now with account farmers/buyers/sellers and trust farming/trading/buying/selling just doesn't do anything anymore. It is pretty much worthless. Even the DT people can not behave, so u can come up with the best system, but yes there are always people breaking it. Every system/concept has it pros and cons. The trust system is just too easy to abuse for DT members and neutral trusted can't do anything about it since DT members (mostly) back each other. In this case there is a war between DT, this is new to me. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: criptix on September 03, 2016, 10:46:46 PM It looks like everyone is getting butthurt, it is so weird to see DT members act as 8 year old kids. Just both remove the feedback, I am sure those 'I hope Lutpin will kill himself' isn't really meant as u guys think. OgNasty is just tired of being accused for promoting a scam, I am not saying it was Lutpin. Both quit your childish behaviour and get over it. Should just remove the trust system and make a database of trades. Users can then check for them self if someone is trustworthy or not. The trust system right now with account farmers/buyers/sellers and trust farming/trading/buying/selling just doesn't do anything anymore. It is pretty much worthless. Even the DT people can not behave, so u can come up with the best system, but yes there are always people breaking it. Every system/concept has it pros and cons. The trust system is just too easy to abuse for DT members and neutral trusted can't do anything about it since DT members (mostly) back each other. In this case there is a war between DT, this is new to me. It happened more then once and additionally there were also cases of DT members scamming thousands of btc in the past - some of them still active on this forum. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: FruitsBasket on September 03, 2016, 10:50:22 PM It looks like everyone is getting butthurt, it is so weird to see DT members act as 8 year old kids. Just both remove the feedback, I am sure those 'I hope Lutpin will kill himself' isn't really meant as u guys think. OgNasty is just tired of being accused for promoting a scam, I am not saying it was Lutpin. Both quit your childish behaviour and get over it. Should just remove the trust system and make a database of trades. Users can then check for them self if someone is trustworthy or not. The trust system right now with account farmers/buyers/sellers and trust farming/trading/buying/selling just doesn't do anything anymore. It is pretty much worthless. Even the DT people can not behave, so u can come up with the best system, but yes there are always people breaking it. Every system/concept has it pros and cons. The trust system is just too easy to abuse for DT members and neutral trusted can't do anything about it since DT members (mostly) back each other. In this case there is a war between DT, this is new to me. It happened more the once and also there were cases of DT members scamming thousands of btc in the past. People can not be trusted, they want to get as much money as possible and can not be satisfied with the amount they have. This ruins the whole site, I have been scammed a few times. And of course it pissed me off alot. To stay on topic, scew the trust system it is worthless. If DT people behave so childish that says something about what they are worth. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on September 03, 2016, 11:09:09 PM <snip>To stay on topic, scew the trust system it is worthless. If DT people behave so childish that says something about what they are worth. I tend to agree with you. When someone you don't know who doesn't agree with your opinion on something can redden your trust page, the trust system is pretty damn broken. And I know that's exactly how some of the people I've left negative trust for feel. And that's my opinion, and I can't think of really anything better unless there was something like what Ebay has, based on marketplace or currency exchange deals.I've come to believe that the DT system is just wacky, and I took that off my trust settings. I've given a lot of people negs for the deplorable practice of account sales, but I've not given a lot of positives. There are people I would trust on this forum, but not many, and I don't know anything about many of the DT members. I don't do a lot of deals on this forum anyway, so it's kind of moot. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Blazed on September 04, 2016, 04:06:49 AM <snip>To stay on topic, scew the trust system it is worthless. If DT people behave so childish that says something about what they are worth. I tend to agree with you. When someone you don't know who doesn't agree with your opinion on something can redden your trust page, the trust system is pretty damn broken. And I know that's exactly how some of the people I've left negative trust for feel. And that's my opinion, and I can't think of really anything better unless there was something like what Ebay has, based on marketplace or currency exchange deals.I've come to believe that the DT system is just wacky, and I took that off my trust settings. I've given a lot of people negs for the deplorable practice of account sales, but I've not given a lot of positives. There are people I would trust on this forum, but not many, and I don't know anything about many of the DT members. I don't do a lot of deals on this forum anyway, so it's kind of moot. The DT system does have issues, but no one has yet to come up with a better system. For the most part, it works fine for helping newbies steer clear of scams. The whole point is after you have been here a while you create your own trust network and go from there. If you can think of something better than by all means post it. Anyways to get on topic: It looks like the feud is over and they should just go their separate ways. I do not think the single negative feedback hurts either of them and this topic should just get locked and forgotten. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: OgNasty on September 04, 2016, 05:34:59 PM I don't think the default trust system has issues. The only problem is that some users in default trust hand out trust like candy to anyone who has any interaction with them to inflate their ratings, even if there is no trust involved on their end. There are also users who give trust to proven liars so long as it lines up with their agendas. I suspect given enough time, the bad eggs will eventually find their way out of the system. Until then, all you need to do is review someone's feedback. It's pretty easy to see who you are able to trust. Lutpin hasn't responded to any of my messages since making this thread to discuss the situation, so it appears he is happy with the result. I would say I wonder why he hasn't locked the thread, but hey, we all know why, as this was just another baseless attempt to try and hurt my reputation.
Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Dinki on September 05, 2016, 12:33:00 AM Lutpin said his health is being affected and Og threatened to make public his residential address. I think this has gone beyond Og being bitchy, what if OG decides to pay Lutpin a visit along with some of his friends?
Things could get really nasty here. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TwitchySeal on September 05, 2016, 01:52:59 AM I don't think the default trust system has issues. The only problem is that some users in default trust hand out trust like candy to anyone who has any interaction with them to inflate their ratings, even if there is no trust involved on their end. There are also users who give trust to proven liars so long as it lines up with their agendas. I suspect given enough time, the bad eggs will eventually find their way out of the system. Until then, all you need to do is review someone's feedback. It's pretty easy to see who you are able to trust. I agree with OgNastys view that it's wrong to leave positive trust to anyone if the only thing considered is your own reputation. All of these scenarios are wrong. A)Handing out green trust only to improve your own reputation. B)Not handing out red trust only to improve your own reputation. C)Not handing out green trust only to improve your own reputation. D)Handing out red trust only to improve your own reputation. E)Handing out neutral trust only to improve your own reputation. F)Not handing out neutral trust only to improve your own reputation. It shouldn't matter what type of trust we're talking about, or if it's the decision to leave it or not, if the only motivation is your own feedback - it's wrong. Until this whole issue involving OgNasty and his signature unfolded a month ago, he had been a member here for over 5 years without leaving or receiving a single negative feedback of any kind. His reaction to GamesProtect's negative feedback and behavior since then has revealed that OgNasty has probably been going out of his way for a long time to maintain his non-untrusted reputation. Negative feedback should be a way for users to help inform others of potential risks. There is nothing to gain directly by leaving negative feedback. So OgNasty uses it only to convince others not to mess with him and when that doesn't work they contribute to the level of his hissy fit. Lutpin hasn't responded to any of my messages since making this thread to discuss the situation, so it appears he is happy with the result. You haven't responded to any of my request's for an explanation on why you are telling people I tried to extort you, why you are saying the pms I posted are edited and out of context (here they are (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1582065.0) with screenshots if anyone's hasn't read them), why you are telling people I AM games direct or support their services.Should I assume you're just an incredibly stubborn shithead with an ego that's preventing your conscience from doing the right thing? I would say I wonder why he hasn't locked the thread I would say that it seems like you really want this read locked., but hey, we all know why, as this was just another baseless attempt to try and hurt my reputation. No, this was an attempt to get you to stop making baseless accusations and lies. Oh look, you just made another one. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: CryptoDatabase on September 05, 2016, 02:18:04 AM I don't think the default trust system has issues. The only problem is that some users in default trust hand out trust like candy to anyone who has any interaction with them to inflate their ratings, even if there is no trust involved on their end. There are also users who give trust to proven liars so long as it lines up with their agendas. I suspect given enough time, the bad eggs will eventually find their way out of the system. Until then, all you need to do is review someone's feedback. It's pretty easy to see who you are able to trust. I agree with OgNastys view that it's wrong to leave positive trust to anyone if the only thing considered is your own reputation. All of these scenarios are wrong. A)Handing out green trust only to improve your own reputation. B)Not handing out red trust only to improve your own reputation. C)Not handing out green trust only to improve your own reputation. D)Handing out red trust only to improve your own reputation. E)Handing out neutral trust only to improve your own reputation. F)Not handing out neutral trust only to improve your own reputation. It shouldn't matter what type of trust we're talking about, or if it's the decision to leave it or not, if the only motivation is your own feedback - it's wrong. Until this whole issue involving OgNasty and his signature unfolded a month ago, he had been a member here for over 5 years without leaving or receiving a single negative feedback of any kind. His reaction to GamesProtect's negative feedback and behavior since then has revealed that OgNasty has probably been going out of his way for a long time to maintain his non-untrusted reputation. Negative feedback should be a way for users to help inform others of potential risks. There is nothing to gain directly by leaving negative feedback. So OgNasty uses it only to convince others not to mess with him and when that doesn't work they contribute to the level of his hissy fit. Lutpin hasn't responded to any of my messages since making this thread to discuss the situation, so it appears he is happy with the result. You haven't responded to any of my request's for an explanation on why you are telling people I tried to extort you, why you are saying the pms I posted are edited and out of context (here they are (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1582065.0) with screenshots if anyone's hasn't read them), why you are telling people I AM games direct or support their services.Should I assume you're just an incredibly stubborn shithead with an ego that's preventing your conscience from doing the right thing? I would say I wonder why he hasn't locked the thread I would say that it seems like you really want this read locked., but hey, we all know why, as this was just another baseless attempt to try and hurt my reputation. No, this was an attempt to get you to stop making baseless accusations and lies. Oh look, you just made another one. Seems that whenever he gets negative feedback his direct and immediate reaction is to threaten them to get the feedback removed and judging from his track record of no red feedback I'd say it used to be effective. That is until folks got tired of his shit and didn't comply with his demands and now here we are. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TwitchySeal on September 05, 2016, 02:24:35 AM Seems that whenever he gets negative feedback his direct and immediate reaction is to threaten them to get the feedback removed and judging from his track record of no red feedback I'd say it used to be effective. That is until folks got tired of his shit and didn't comply with his demands and now here we are. Almost as if... I suspect given enough time, the bad eggs will eventually find their way out of the system. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: game-protect on September 06, 2016, 03:29:28 AM I had a conversation with RHavar in my thread. His last statement was July 25, 2016:
https://bitcointalk.or/index.php?topic=1535816.msg15708241#msg15708241 August 13, 2016 RHavar suddenly gave me the following negative feedback: Quote This user provides a service which appears to be nothing but a scammy attempt to collect referrals and/or a yearly fee. The site is set up anonymously and does nothing to demonstrate it provides the promised services. Their "partners" are a misleading term to mean casinos that they signed up for as an affiliate. Feedback reference is his old post in my thread from July 18, 2016 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535816.msg15630125#msg15630125) RHavar admits here in this thread that he was contacted by OgNasty August 13, 2016 and asked to remove the positive feedback he gave to TwitchySeal few months ago: I don't like drama, but I do feel compelled to weigh in. A while ago (2016-05-19) , I left TwitchySeal some positive feedback: Quote One of the sane ones. An asset to the bitcoin gambling community I honestly forgot why, but it was probably to do with one of his posts around that time. Anyway, recently I get a PM from OgNasty telling me I should remove my feedback because TwitchySeal is an extortionist. When I asked him for some more information, he basically refused and pressed on with what is arguably thinly veiled extortion of his own: "Stupid extortion plan" Here you go: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1582065.0 I'm missing the bit with extortion? I don't share PMs, as I consider that a breach of trust. However, they indeed did present me with an ultimatum that I consider an extortion attempt. Either way, let me know if you don't want to remove the trust rating and I'll just remove my trust of Mitchell so that I can get him out of my trust network that way. No hard feelings against you either way. I just figured asking you would be better than disconnecting myself with Mitchell, who I did think was trustworthy. Not any kind of problem though. Good luck with you in the future. Always nice to speak with another Bitcoin enthusiast. I never left him negative feedback, as his trade and escrow history gives me the impression he is otherwise an honest guy. But I do take issue with the way he attempted to strong arm me into removing my feedback. And August 13, 2016 is exactly the day when RHavar suddenly decided to give me a negative feedback, with reference to his old post in my thread from July 18, 2016 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535816.msg15630125#msg15630125) -> a blind with a crooked stick can see who gave RHavar the order to give me a negative feedback! Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: Vod on September 14, 2016, 12:38:44 AM Should just remove the trust system and make a database of trades. Users can then check for them self if someone is trustworthy or not. Really? Scammers like Quickseller have dozens of alt accounts. They would all be leaving fake trade info and soon would become the most "trusted" people on here. The current system is a lot better than a simple database. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: satmas on September 14, 2016, 01:35:46 AM We could always require proof of the trade actually has been done(via a video of the chat or teamviewer) but then again, there's a problem about the alts just making a fake chat...(or the person using the teamviewer might be scammers themselves). At least that'll somewhat stop the flood of "trading info" from alts.
Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: RHavar on September 14, 2016, 01:46:27 AM RHavar admits here in this thread that he was contacted by OgNasty August 13, 2016 and asked to remove the positive feedback he gave to TwitchySeal few months ago: [snip] And August 13, 2016 is exactly the day when RHavar suddenly decided to give me a negative feedback, with reference to his old post in my thread from July 18, 2016 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1535816.msg15630125#msg15630125) -> a blind with a crooked stick can see who gave RHavar the order to give me a negative feedback! Just to be clear, OgNasty (or anyone for that matter) has never asked, hinted or ordered me to give negative feedback to you. I did it because I believed and still believe what I wrote in my feedback. But lets not derail the thread here, feel free to PM me about it or post on your thread. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: suchmoon on September 14, 2016, 02:10:37 AM We could always require proof of the trade actually has been done(via a video of the chat or teamviewer) but then again, there's a problem about the alts just making a fake chat...(or the person using the teamviewer might be scammers themselves). At least that'll somewhat stop the flood of "trading info" from alts. How about we start requiring selfies with IDs? ::) Get real, this would only make it easier for scammers that can fake just about anything, whereas legitimate traders won't do it. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: satmas on September 14, 2016, 02:18:45 AM We could always require proof of the trade actually has been done(via a video of the chat or teamviewer) but then again, there's a problem about the alts just making a fake chat...(or the person using the teamviewer might be scammers themselves). At least that'll somewhat stop the flood of "trading info" from alts. How about we start requiring selfies with IDs? ::) Get real, this would only make it easier for scammers that can fake just about anything, whereas legitimate traders won't do it. Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: TwitchySeal on September 14, 2016, 09:27:23 PM Games-Protect sent me screen shots of his pms.
They tell a different story than the one OgNasty is telling. When I received this, I figured Games-Protect had sent him the first message with a "remove your signature-or-else" threat: https://i.gyazo.com/2c2ff9541a0a3fc84cb39d5876564f7e.png In reality, OgN was the one who sent the first message and made the threats, after receiving negative feedback from Games-Protect. http://www0.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=11806521 http://www0.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=11412032 http://www0.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=17499267 http://www0.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=46758904 http://www0.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=13334819 Title: Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." Post by: criptix on September 17, 2016, 01:24:12 PM Should just remove the trust system and make a database of trades. Users can then check for them self if someone is trustworthy or not. Really? Scammers like Quickseller have dozens of alt accounts. They would all be leaving fake trade info and soon would become the most "trusted" people on here. The current system is a lot better than a simple database. Yup reply is a bit late but you people are right. A simple database of trades would probaly make matters worse then better. There are to many ways to game the database. |
