OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself."

[Quickseller]

I don't see any extortion attempt in the PM from OgNasty to rhaver. I personally will exclude anyone in my trust network who has a lot of people in their trust network who are leaving ratings that I feel are not appropriate (in some cases, this may only involve one person). This forces more accountability in one's trust list.

On the issue of releasing PMs, I do not consider it a breach of trust when someone releases a PM, provided there was no agreement to keep information contained in a PM private, although as a general rule, I only consider a PM to be private if it is GPG encrypted to my GPG key and/or is a privnote link.

Even if you trust the person you are sending a PM to enough to not release PMs, you should absolutely not trust that a PM will never get released. There are plenty of instances in which PMs could be made public that does not involve either the sender nor the recipient; theymos, BadBear, and anyone else who is given administrative access to the forum can read any PM, there have been reports that 20% of the PMs were for sale along with the member tables (which include IP addresses and PW hashes that was leaked last year), and the forum has previously been hacked for extended periods of time without detection in the past (during which, PMs would presumably be available to the hacker).

[OgNasty]

That was a courtesy.  People ask me to remove people from my trust list all the time and present their case.   I am usually happy to assist by removing my trust if there is a legitimate reason and am even thankful when something like that is brought to my attention.  

I would've been willing to do the same, but you didn't exactly present a case for me to look at. You just stated it as fact, and threatened to remove mitchell from your trust network if I did not.

As I stated, I don't quote private messages out of respect for people's privacy, even if they are in the wrong and harassing me.  I assumed you would take my word for it, but said it was fine if you didn't want to.

It was again, an attempt to keep you in my trust network, as in, I wanted to trust you.  Why you felt the need to break that trust and share a PM with some sort of spin that I was attempting to extort you, I'll leave for the community to speculate on.

Let's be honest for a second, this isn't about your trust network.  You already gave TwitchySeal negative trust, it's not like you're going to accidentally trust him.  It's rather apparent you only wanted me to remove my trust to make him appear red by default. And you knew threatening to exclude Mitchell is a far stronger deterrent than threatening to exclude me.

As you said, I had already marked TwitchySeal with negative trust.  It was a courtesy to you as I assumed you wouldn't want to condone that type of behavior, and I even reassured you that you didn't have to do anything and there would be no hard feelings.

No hard feelings against you either way.  I just figured asking you would be better than disconnecting myself with Mitchell, who I did think was trustworthy.  Not any kind of problem though.  Good luck with you in the future.  Always nice to speak with another Bitcoin enthusiast.

Again, which part struck you as an extortion attempt?

(BELOW COMMENT IS NOT DIRECTED AT RHavar but a general observation!)
Ironically, this situation is very similar to me being asked to remove my signature.  Only difference is that I didn't threaten if anyone refused to act, I didn't make threads about anyone, I didn't make any private messages public, and I didn't strike first or at all with negative feedback.  Had I done those things, I would certainly be guilty of whatever I've accused TwitchySeal of doing.

[RHavar]

Ironically, this situation is very similar to me being asked to remove my signature.  Only difference is that I didn't threaten you if you refused to act, I didn't make threads about you, I didn't make the private messages public, and I didn't strike first or at all with negative feedback.  Had I done those things, I would certainly be guilty of whatever I've accused TwitchySeal of doing.

I never asked you to remove your signature, nor started a thread about you, nor left you any (negative) feedback at all. Perhaps I woeful misread the intention of your message, it just felt to me like:

"Remove your negative trust of TwitchySeal so he gets red trust, or I will try punish you by going after those who trusted you"

but perhaps I woefully misread it, in which case I do apologize.

[CryptoDatabase]

Anyway, recently I get a PM from OgNasty telling me I should remove my feedback because TwitchySeal is an extortionist. 

That was a courtesy.  People ask me to remove people from my trust list all the time and present their case.  I am usually happy to assist by removing my trust if there is a legitimate reason and am even thankful when something like that is brought to my attention.  I was showing you that I wanted to keep you in my trust network, but wanted to remove TwitchySeal, as he was actively harassing me.  Again, this was a courtesy to you and I thought you would be appreciative.  Not sure why you'd see it as some sort of an attack and not a friendly sharing of information.  It was again, an attempt to keep you in my trust network, as in, I wanted to trust you.  Why you felt the need to break that trust and share bits of a PM with some sort of spin that I was attempting to extort you, I'll leave for the community to speculate on.

No hard feelings against you either way.  I just figured asking you would be better than disconnecting myself with Mitchell, who I did think was trustworthy.  Not any kind of problem though.  Good luck with you in the future.  Always nice to speak with another Bitcoin enthusiast.

Please tell me which part of this you considered extortion.

"Remove your trust from him or ill remove Mitchell" <-- Don't play stupid you know full well that is blackmail/extortion.

[OgNasty]

perhaps I woefully misread it, in which case I do apologize.

Thank you for the apology, I appreciate it.  Misunderstandings happen.  Like I said, I have no hard feelings against you either way.

[RHavar]

I didn't make the private messages public

To address this point directly, as it's been brought up a few times. Firstly I never agreed to keep the contents secret, and made an effort to make sure it wasn't taken out of context. I also used discretion and didn't release (or even share with anyone) with the other things you said that it seems you'd rather not be made public.

Also had I *not* shared the PM with context, it would've been far more damaging and dishonest. I could have merely summarized it as "OgNasty threatened me by saying he would remove Mitchells trust unless I helped him make TwitchySeals red". Instead I gave you the courtesy of sharing the exact wording in which allowed people like Quickseller and The Pharmacist to disagree with my interpretation (which very well might be wrong).


And for the record, I find the whole idea of "I won't share the contents of PMS" but "I will summarize them" absolutely hypocritical. You repeatedly accuse TwitchySeals of extortion/threats, but won't share anything that will allow people to make up their own minds as messages are supposedly sacred and confidential. Well either they're confidential and you don't talk about them, or they're not and you can share them.

[OgNasty]

And for the record, I find the whole idea of "I won't share the contents of PMS" but "I will summarize them" absolutely hypocritical.

You are free to have that opinion.  I will continue to not hold it against you.  I will also continue to not share PMs as I feel it is a breech of trust.  That is my opinion. 

[minifrij]

As I stated, I don't quote private messages out of respect for people's privacy, even if they are in the wrong and harassing me.

The things is though, at least on this forum, those messages are in no way private and are not said to be so. PM stands for 'Personal Message', not 'Private Message'. While you may not agree with this definition, it is not fair to use this as an argument against others.

As you said, I had already marked TwitchySeal with negative trust.  It was a courtesy to you as I assumed you wouldn't want to condone that type of behavior

Personally, I do not see anything that TwitchySeal did as being in the wrong. Regardless however, it isn't fair to assume people share the same notion of trust as you and further challenge them should they not.

Again, which part struck you as an extortion attempt?

You challenged RHavar with removal from the trust system VIA Mitchell should he not comply with what you were asking him to do.

Either way, let me know if you don't want to remove the trust rating and I'll just remove my trust of Mitchell so that I can get him out of my trust network that way.  No hard feelings against you either way.  I just figured asking you would be better than disconnecting myself with Mitchell, who I did think was trustworthy

Without possibly twisting words, you said that you would remove Mitchell (and by extension RHavar) from the trust network if he did not remove his positive trust on TwitchySeal. This is trying to get your agenda through force or threats; quite literally the definition of extortion.

Ironically, this situation is very similar to me being asked to remove my signature.  Only difference is that I didn't threaten if anyone refused to act, I didn't make threads about anyone, I didn't make any private messages public, and I didn't strike first or at all with negative feedback.  Had I done those things, I would certainly be guilty of whatever I've accused TwitchySeal of doing.

The difference being that you hold a lot more base on this forum when compared to someone like TwitchySeal. A negative trust rating from members like that shows nothing to the majority of users here, you make a significant mark on people's reputation.

I do not have anything against you and I hope that this was just a lapse of judgement, but I don't think that you are in the right with the majority of things you are saying.

[OgNasty]

Without possibly twisting words, you said that you would remove Mitchell (and by extension RHavar) from the trust network if he did not remove his positive trust on TwitchySeal. This is trying to get your agenda through force or threats; quite literally the definition of extortion.

I disagree.  I gave him the courtesy of contacting him and explaining why before I removed him from my trust network.  I didn't threaten him and in fact made a point to say, "No hard feelings against you either way."  That is called professional courtesy.

The thing I did wrong was to suggest Lutpin should kill himself.  A sin I have asked forgiveness for.  Just because I was harassed for 12 days straight, didn't give me the right to suggest suicide.

[minifrij]

I disagree.  I gave him the courtesy of contacting him and explaining why before I removed him from my trust network.

This is irrelevant IMO. Regardless of whether you tell him your actions does not change the fact that you were doing to said actions, nor does it change your motive for doing them.

I didn't threaten him and in fact made a point to say, "No hard feelings against you either way."  That is called professional courtesy.

Once again, it does not deter from the fact that you were going to remove him (and another party with no relevance to the conflict) because he didn't agree with you on the trustworthiness of a user and would not change a rating he had given. While it may be courteous, it is still trying to get your own way through force or threats.

The thing I did wrong was to suggest Lutpin should kill himself.  A sin I have asked forgiveness for.  Just because I was harassed for 12 days straight, didn't give me the right to suggest suicide.

I, in addition to many others I'm sure, accept the apology given for that specifically. I can understand that, especially in heated moments, people can say or do things that they later regret and won't hold it against you. The thing that bothers me specifically is some of your other behavior you don't see as wrong.

[OgNasty]

Once again, it does not deter from the fact that you were going to remove him (and another party with no relevance to the conflict) because he didn't agree with you on the trustworthiness of a user and would not change a rating he had given. While it may be courteous, it is still trying to get your own way through force or threats.

It is perfectly reasonable to remove positive trust for a user if you don't agree with their trust decisions.  I'm not sure why we're even debating this.  It sounds like you're upset that I contacted the user and gave him the courtesy of being able to choose how I handled the removal of TwitchySeal from my trust network instead of just taking action.  Mitchell doesn't need me to be in the default trust network and so there really is no threat there, at all, by any stretch of the imagination.  I'm saying that was done as a courtesy out of respect which should have been obvious by the below comments:

No hard feelings against you either way.  I just figured asking you would be better than disconnecting myself with Mitchell, who I did think was trustworthy.  Not any kind of problem though.  Good luck with you in the future.  Always nice to speak with another Bitcoin enthusiast.

I think a reasonable person would come to the same conclusion.

[Lutpin]

Admit this sequence of events began when you contacted me, unsolicited, telling me to remove my signature and advising me to join Lauda's signature ad group and that your claim, "Everything began a few days ago, when out of the blue I was contacted by OgNasty about their current struggles with TwitchySeal/game-protect/et al" is nothing more than a lie.  

It's correct that I did PM you about your decision to advertise Betcoin.AG & that I had suggested for you to remove that advertisement and search a different advertiser for your signature space.
I did not consider this a part of the chain of events, as I had sent similar PMs to other people aswell, kinghtdk for example, which reacted in a totally different way to those.
So to be completely thorough, yes, the first motion came from my side, however, the messages/comments on slack were in a whole other dimension than my PMs about your signature.
The reason I suggested you to make contact with ACE is, that they are the only current example of people operating under a custom rate I currently have, aswell as that they include the person, which to my knowledge had/has one of the best signature rates on this forum, Blazed.
I was trying to give you an alternative to your current advertiser, or at least trying to point you in a way where you might find one.

Admit at no point did you ever provide any evidence to your claim about my advertiser, and instead took the approach that I do what you say or face consequences.  

I was under the impression that you had researched the company you were advertising. If you did, you should have been well aware of their current status.
It's fairly easy to find the threads where you can make your own image about betcoin.ag and their current status.
I'm sorry that I didn't directly include these links in my PMs, if they could have changed your reaction.
At no point I said or implied that you had to "face consequences".

Admit that even though you provided no evidence, I still agreed to remove my signature out of good faith and respect for your opinion when my agreement was over, and that was not good enough for you.

You agreed to add a rule to your signature auctions which gives you the option to remove/deny advertisers based on their reputation, or lack therof.
I had told you that I appreciated that addition and that the situation for me was over with this. I did not say, neither did I act in any way to suggest, "that was not good enough".

Admit that I haven't posted a single private message you sent to me or done anything else that could be seen as a breech of trust, even though you haven't shown me the same courtesy.

You're right, you have not posted any personal messages, may it be from slack or this forums PM function.
I did so, because I felt the need to share these. I don't consider this a breach of trust, but others might disagree.

Admit that at no point did I threaten to DOX you to anyone.

You were looking into ways of releasing the dox of a person that you were believing to harass you.
Given the situation and the previous PMs, aswell as comments on slack, I, aswell as others, made the asumption you were talking about my dox.
It's correct you did never directly name me as the person to be doxed or threat doing so in a direct message to me.
However, I still was intimidated by this move and it scared me, which you probably were aware of.

Admit that I wasn't in slack/irc or posting on the forum for a week, and despite your claims of, "A conflict which I never intended to, and one which I did everything remotely possible to avoid, but frankly, no matter how hard I tried, it failed" you in fact haven't even sent me a message and instead posted negative trust on my account, posted more private messages that were sent to your alt accounts, and started this thread pretending to be the victim.  What part of that was you trying to avoid a conflict?

As I previously explained to you, direct messages had failed, hence I stopped trying.
While you were not on slack or posting publicly on the forum, you did send PMs to several users shortly before I had created this thread, this PMs were the immediate trigger for me posting.
I tried avoiding this conflict for a long time, up until the point where I didn't see it being possible any more. At this point, I had created this thread.
You never sent PMs to my alt accounts, as I don't have any hidden alts. The one I have is publicly known and marked by myself in several ways.
I don't have to pretend to be the vicitim, if you fail to see why I am, I'm sorry for that. You continue to spread lies about me, talking about evidence when there is none and connecting me with alt accounts I have no connection to whatsoever.

Remove the negative trust you have placed on my account, apologize for your behavior, stop making threads about me, stop harassing me with alt accounts, stop bothering theymos with your drama, and conduct yourself like an honorable person.

I can't apologize for things I didn't do. I don't harass you with alt accounts, hence I neither can stop it, nor will I apologize for something like that.
What I contact theymos about and what not is nothing of your concern. I have contacted them about stuff in the past, I did contact them about this and I will continue to contact them if I see a situation they should probably get involved in.

I've admitted to and apologized for everything I did, I even changed my signature, showing that even though you started this, I'm willing to be the first to try and end it.  Now it's your turn.  Admit what you did wrong, and apologize.  I've even started you off with a nice little list of things I can prove, although I'd feel much better about the situation if your apology went further.

I'm sorry this situation has been taken this far.
I'm also sorry for the things I made public. I was in a position where I felt cornered and this thread has been a desperate move. I still am.
I'm sorry for the way the person behind the account game-protect has acted against you, even though this has nothing to do with me.

And yet another Quickseller alt jumps into the conversation.

I don't think Quickseller would make the mistake of asuming I'm in DT2 under dooglus, they know it's Blazed who included me in their trust list.
I also don't think Quickseller would have access to PMs I send to my campaign participants of cg.net, which lets me asume this is an alt of someone who got kicked/banned from that campaign.

[OgNasty]

It's correct that I did PM you about your decision to advertise Betcoin.AG & that I had suggested for you to remove that advertisement and search a different advertiser for your signature space.

yes, the first motion came from my side

The reason I suggested you to make contact with ACE is, that they are the only current example of people operating under a custom rate I currently have

I'm glad we can agree on this.

I'm sorry that I didn't directly include these links in my PMs, if they could have changed your reaction.

Yes, typically when you allege someone is a scammer, you provide evidence, or a link, or something...  The owner of the signature campaign had no negative trust (but left the campaign shortly after our agreement due to harassment), and the user who supposedly got scammed appeared satisfied with the end result.  Clearly I must have overlooked something, as I don't see why you would continue to wage war against Betcoin if the only complaint against them isn't even a current complaint by the user who made it.  Perhaps if you had actually made a legitimate case instead of telling me what to do, I would have come to a different conclusion on this issue.

You agreed to add a rule to your signature auctions which gives you the option to remove/deny advertisers based on their reputation, or lack therof.

Yes, I did.  I also said I would look into options for removal of the signature, but I wouldn't do it unilaterally without first discussing the issue with my advertiser.  As you can clearly see, I've been wearing a different signature for days now.  I also suspended my posting during this period and made this known.  I noticed none of the quotes from me saying what I have done made it into any public thread, even though I was in that same chat asking people what else I could do that would be fair to everyone.

You're right, you have not posted any personal messages, may it be from slack or this forums PM function.
I did

While you may not see this as an offense, it certainly effects how much I trust a person if they can't keep personal conversations out of the public eye.

You were looking into ways of releasing the dox of a person that you were believing to harass you.

I, aswell as others, made the asumption

Looking into ways to release your dox?  This was a bad assumption.  Worse than my allegations actually, as this would be a punishable offense and didn't involve any misinterpretation on anyone's part.

As I previously explained to you, direct messages had failed, hence I stopped trying.

You stopped trying before this drama unfolded?  That makes no sense.  The last message I received from you was on August 1st.  So if your version of, "I did everything remotely possible" means not sending me a message for 18 days while you left negative trust and started a thread to bash my reputation with false DOX claims, then I would agree.

I can't apologize for things I didn't do.

This is an unfortunate stance.  You do realize that you are literally openly paying TwitchySeal for posts he makes bashing me?  When you learned he was harassing me, why wasn't your response that you would look into removing him from your payroll?

I'm sorry this situation has been taken this far.
I'm also sorry for the things I made public. I was in a position where I felt cornered and this thread has been a desperate move

By taking it this far I assume you mean your creation of this thread with false allegations and you leaving me negative trust instead of sending me a message to try and work out this dispute?

If you'd like to discuss the issue, I'm certainly willing.  After all, while your goal of getting me to remove the signature has been accomplished, I am still yet to see the end of this harassment and mud slinging, which was my goal.

[mammabitcoin2u]

Since I had to read this thread (because OgNasty & Lutpin are 2 of the many I have some respect for and that's saying a lot on this forum) I read about OgNasty and went to the site to learn about the mining pool (especially since so many are fullashit and his seemed legit, no I didn't join, I just looked it over)~let me tell you all what an outsider thinks

I think this thread has something to do with:

I posted in a thread where someone asked about leaving feedback on "higher" accounts.  My stance stands the same.  If a newbie/legendary leaves feedback I can make my own decision after reading it.  I don't assume red/green/orange whatever is an automatic UNTIL I read it.

The Doxing thread I read about.

The issue with that guy and his Jackpot win not being paid out.  He accepted a settlement (because he had to there are NO laws that are going to enforce the gambling aspect at least not here in USA) The Casino offered him the settlement because they had to, otherwise they would lose their reputation and users) and that thread went on and on the above is the gist.

I don't know the relationship with OgNasty & the casino.  If it's just the signature that's the issue.  OgNasty's reputation/recommendation isn't going to make me feel any more or less comfortable~I don't cough up $ because someone is endorsing something.

I don't believe the Twitchy person is Lutpin.  If anything, he would be a friend IF not an Alt of that person who had the issues with the Jackpot.

I think Lutpin has a good point for posting this "thread/issue" in the forum.  If this forum is really a community, post it, people can read/post/provide their input and make their own conclusions.

The goofball comments, I wouldn't waste my time responding to or even thinking to waste my time on.

The comment of "really should kill himself" is pretty childish and although you were heated Og, posting is forever, so you have to deal with words/emotions you had at the time.

To Lutpin's defense, there might be some nuts who love you Og and may want to cause harm to him.  The world is full of nuts, so I understand why he feels the way he does. The person who said "grow a pair" I'll say needs to grow one ~~regardless of your "staff knows my ID"~~you obviously don't have a pair to post behind an Alt so please  

RHavar Posting the PM WAS needed and I don't consider posting PM's to be a breach of trust.  It showed a lot.  Og~you wanting someone to remove their feedback because YOU got "into it" with that person??? And if they don't you will be removing the friend of RHavar.....this Mitchell?? Ummm ya that's some playground bullshit.  IF someone leaves feedback~~LET IT STAND OR DON'T PUT IT PERIOD.  I could care less whatever this "trust network" is.  I don't care if there are 1000's +s on someone's account.....it doesn't make what they say gold.  I also don't give a shit whoever the dooglus person is......for some odd reason people keep referring to him and I've already got my own posted opinion.

Furthermore, you say, you/others have done the same.....to which again.....that's some childish shit removing legitimate feedback from someone.....I guess in an attempt to make someone look bad  .  Now, I (I'm sure others) question the feedback you gained & left.

IF anything.......this matter is done.....IMO between you & Lutpin.......admit this admit that......ok I admit to this and to that....WTF kids it's over..........he apologized.......no doxing......those aren't his alt's....... its done move along to getting that Twitchy person (I have to read that dumbass post now to see what the hecks up there).

edit to add: I hope you BOTH leave your feedback. As I said, stand by it or don't post it period.

2nd edit after having to read that garbage Twitchy post:
I've added my red feedback to him.  He has a vendetta against Betcoin.ag and trying to drag other members into it  That's obvious from reading his original post.  But, I did quickly read the rest.........total garbage.  I don't know why you entertained this fool OgNasty?? I'm 100% positive that's NO Alt of Lutpin.  Regardless of what you think about competitor's etc.  I'm standing by what I say.  AND YEP my feedback will never be removed.

[OgNasty]

RHavar Posting the PM WAS needed and I don't consider posting PM's to be a breach of trust.  It showed a lot.  Og~you wanting someone to remove their feedback because YOU got "into it" with that person??? And if they don't you will be removing the friend of RHavar.....this Mitchell??

You seem to be misunderstanding this situation.  As far as I know Mitchell and RHavar aren't friends, and my removal of trust of Mitchell (didn't happen by the way) shouldn't have had any effect on RHavar as Mitchell is already in the default trust network, so I don't understand why people are trying to paint this as a threat when there were no potential negative consequences for RHavar whatsoever.  Literally, he wouldn't have lost a single trust point as a result.  It was me not wanting to be connected via the trust network to someone who was actively harassing me.  A perfectly reasonable response to ongoing harassment.  Trying to paint it as anything else is really reaching.

2nd edit after having to read that garbage Twitchy post:
I've added my red feedback to him.  He has a vendetta against Betcoin.ag and trying to drag other members into it  That's obvious from reading his original post.  But, I did quickly read the rest.........total garbage.  I don't know why you entertained this fool OgNasty??

I didn't.  I clicked the ignore button on TwitchySeal as soon as he started harassing me.  Then I did the same when the harassment switched to coming from game-protect.  I made no comments publicly on this forum about this situation whatsoever until Lutpin left me negative trust on my account after not communicating with me for 18 days.

[mammabitcoin2u]

RHavar Posting the PM WAS needed and I don't consider posting PM's to be a breach of trust.  It showed a lot.  Og~you wanting someone to remove their feedback because YOU got "into it" with that person??? And if they don't you will be removing the friend of RHavar.....this Mitchell??

You seem to be misunderstanding this situation.  As far as I know Mitchell and RHavar aren't friends, and my removal of trust of Mitchell (didn't happen by the way) shouldn't have had any effect on RHavar as Mitchell is already in the default trust network, so I don't understand why people are trying to paint this as a threat when there were no potential negative consequences for RHavar whatsoever.  Literally, he wouldn't have lost a single trust point as a result.  It was me not wanting to be connected via the trust network to someone who was actively harassing me.  A perfectly reasonable response to ongoing harassment.  Trying to paint it as anything else is really reaching.

2nd edit after having to read that garbage Twitchy post:
I've added my red feedback to him.  He has a vendetta against Betcoin.ag and trying to drag other members into it  That's obvious from reading his original post.  But, I did quickly read the rest.........total garbage.  I don't know why you entertained this fool OgNasty??

I didn't.  I clicked the ignore button on TwitchySeal as soon as he started harassing me.  Then I did the same when the harassment switched to coming from game-protect.  I made no comments publicly on this forum about this situation whatsoever until Lutpin left me negative trust on my account after not communicating with me for 18 days.

Better I answer here.....instead of making a 3rd edit....of adding feedback to the Scammer gameprotect  which no doubt is either Twitchy himself (which I believe is that jason jackpot guy)

I'm not reaching.  IMO, not cool to ask anyone to remove feedback. But since ya'll do it, then I will address it as:  If you said, hey buddy this guy if fu*king with me, how bout you remove the feedback you left for him. THEN that's a done deal.  However, you tossed in someone and something else..........see what the "fuss" is about??

(love your name btw~that was 1 good point when I first came to this board, the rest of the points came when I read all the posts and your site and blah blah)  From what I can tell you have a good reputation............keep it that way!!

"This thing" obviously just got snowballing.  You both said your bit.  It's easy to see where each is coming from (least on my end) and honestly, for me.......you both still have your good reputations.  So again, to you both......I think this is done. 

[OgNasty]

I'm not reaching.  IMO, not cool to ask anyone to remove feedback. But since ya'll do it, then I will address it as:  If you said, hey buddy this guy if fu*king with me, how bout you remove the feedback you left for him. THEN that's a done deal.  However, you tossed in someone and something else..........see what the "fuss" is about??

Re-read my post.  You still don't seem to be understanding.  I didn't toss in someone else, I said here's the trust connection I have to TwitchySeal, I'm going to break it somewhere, where would you like me to break it?  I'd say it was downright courteous of me, definitely not something anyone should be angry about, except maybe TwitchySeal.  This happens to me so often by so many members of different trust levels, I've never considered it a threat.  I've always considered it responsible trust management...

[Joel_Jantsen]

You seem to be misunderstanding this situation.  As far as I know Mitchell and RHavar aren't friends, and my removal of trust of Mitchell (didn't happen by the way) shouldn't have had any effect on RHavar as Mitchell is already in the default trust network, so I don't understand why people are trying to paint this as a threat when there were no potential negative consequences for RHavar whatsoever.  Literally, he wouldn't have lost a single trust point as a result.  It was me not wanting to be connected via the trust network to someone who was actively harassing me.  A perfectly reasonable response to ongoing harassment.  Trying to paint it as anything else is really reaching.

I like it how you take your trust as an advantage against any accusations made against you.The moment you realize someone is speaking against your wrongs,you try to use your trust to bring them down.You think removing Mitch from your trust list is going to make people believe that he is any less trusted ?You are constantly threatening members who even try to speak against your will,I don't know what dictionary you refer to but your statements does look like a "direct threat" in the one that I refer.Telling Lutpin to back-off othewrise it's not going to end up good for him is a plain threat.You always try to show you're above everyone else by using your trust.I agree,you held forum's bitcoins and carried out other 200 escrows successfully but that doesn't mean you are someone special and you have your own rights seperate from everybody else.I never ever have known/commented on your discussions before until this one,sooner that I realized you're just riding on the horse because of the few green numbers which surround your profile.You threathened twitchyseal to use your "powers" to bring him down as well.I have nothing against you but negative repping and threattening a few good members who are actually trying to prevent scam on this forum is not appropriate.For the sake of Christ,please care to read Twitchy's betcoin thread and see how they're cheating users.But anyway you wouldn't care,you are just concerned about your profits and I don't actually care about it.    

I didn't.  I clicked the ignore button on TwitchySeal as soon as he started harassing me.  Then I did the same when the harassment switched to coming from game-protect.  I made no comments publicly on this forum about this situation whatsoever until Lutpin left me negative trust on my account after not communicating with me for 18 days.

No,you didn't make it public.Instead,you starting using your contacts (the green trusts obviously) to take more actions agains't them.Messaging theymos/other DT members to remov the one's who started speaking agains't you,which is henious!

[OgNasty]

I like it how you take your trust as an advantage against any accusations made against you.

Did you even read what you quoted?  My trust wasn't an advantage in this situation.  It had literally no effect whatsoever.  The rest of your post is filled with an equal amount of nonsense.

EDIT:  You need to read about the trust network if you want to learn.  I'm not going to educate you in this format or continue arguing with someone that literally doesn't understand the argument.

I also think you are alone in saying I don't care about the community.  I'm the guy who has been donating free electricity and 100% of my mined coins to NastyFans for the last 4+ years.  Hard to say all I care about is profits when I literally run an organization that gives away my resources.  Quite the opposite actually, as I've brought to light potential abuse in the signature campaign market that has gone unreported by a trusted member until now.

[mammabitcoin2u]

I'm not reaching.  IMO, not cool to ask anyone to remove feedback. But since ya'll do it, then I will address it as:  If you said, hey buddy this guy if fu*king with me, how bout you remove the feedback you left for him. THEN that's a done deal.  However, you tossed in someone and something else..........see what the "fuss" is about??

Re-read my post.  You still don't seem to be understanding.  I didn't toss in someone else, I said here's the trust connection I have to TwitchySeal, I'm going to break it somewhere, where would you like me to break it?  I'd say it was downright courteous of me, definitely not something anyone should be angry about, except maybe TwitchySeal.  This happens to me so often by so many members of different trust levels, I've never considered it a threat.  I've always considered it responsible trust management...

OK.....then for me and others who may not understand.  How are you "connected"?? Why does your relationship with Mitchell affect anyone else?  
 

Are you trying to say the way that "trust network" works:  You have a relationship/trust feedback with Mitchell and Mitchell has a relationship/trust feeback with RHavar who left relationship/trust feedback for Twitchy?  So now.......this "trust thing" means YOU trust Twitchy???

Enlighten me, because I don't see it that way.  And if you say it is........then that's a silly.