OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself."

[mammabitcoin2u]

You seem to be misunderstanding this situation.  As far as I know Mitchell and RHavar aren't friends, and my removal of trust of Mitchell (didn't happen by the way) shouldn't have had any effect on RHavar as Mitchell is already in the default trust network, so I don't understand why people are trying to paint this as a threat when there were no potential negative consequences for RHavar whatsoever.  Literally, he wouldn't have lost a single trust point as a result.  It was me not wanting to be connected via the trust network to someone who was actively harassing me.  A perfectly reasonable response to ongoing harassment.  Trying to paint it as anything else is really reaching.

I like it how you take your trust as an advantage against any accusations made against you.The moment you realize someone is speaking against your wrongs,you try to use your trust to bring them down.You think removing Mitch from your trust list is going to make people believe that he is any less trusted ?You are constantly threatening members who even try to speak against your will,I don't know what dictionary you refer to but your statements does look like a "direct threat" in the one that I refer.Telling Lutpin to back-off othewrise it's not going to end up good for him is a plain threat.You always try to show you're above everyone else by using your trust.I agree,you held forum's bitcoins and carried out other 200 escrows successfully but that doesn't mean you are someone special and you have your own rights seperate from everybody else.I never ever have known/commented on your discussions before until this one,sooner that I realized you're just riding on the horse because of the few green numbers which surround your profile.You threathened twitchyseal to use your "powers" to bring him down as well.I have nothing against you but negative repping and threattening a few good members who are actually trying to prevent scam on this forum is not appropriate.For the sake of Christ,please care to read Twitchy's betcoin thread and see how they're cheating users.But anyway you wouldn't care,you are just concerned about your profits and I don't actually care about it.    

I didn't.  I clicked the ignore button on TwitchySeal as soon as he started harassing me.  Then I did the same when the harassment switched to coming from game-protect.  I made no comments publicly on this forum about this situation whatsoever until Lutpin left me negative trust on my account after not communicating with me for 18 days.

No,you didn't make it public.Instead,you starting using your contacts (the green trusts obviously) to take more actions agains't them.Messaging theymos/other DT members to remov the one's who started speaking agains't you,which is henious!

I gotta jump in this.......my stance on status in this forum or offline......stands......I don't care if you are a priest that doesn't make me automatically trust you with my $

With that said........I read that whole thing about Betcoin.ag and OK thanks for posting information about what happened to this guy and others.  I can make my own decision.  Reading Twitchy's others posts.........the guys gotta vendetta against Betcoin.ag.....he wants everyone to stop advertising them.  He an ask and others can decline.  What's the problem?  OgNasty said, hey its $ (which I agree as he is free to do as he wishes) and if you want me to stop pay me.  Again, what's the problem? 

Everyone is suppose to get on the Betcoin.ag Hate Wagon.............I think not.  I can and will do as I wish NOT what someone wants me to do.

[CryptoDatabase]

"Send me all of your coins and I won't delete your harddrive"
"Remove that feedback or I'll remove this guy from my list"
"Do my homework or I'll tell mom what you did last night"
"Give me $50,000 in unmarked bills or I will kill this person"

All of the above quoted examples are forms of extortion. This needed clearing up for those that do not know what extortion is.

In laymans terms, it is when you try to force another person to do something and if they don't there will be 'consequences'. This is something they teach in school and is in fact illegal.

Regardless of whoever Mitchell is OgNasty, you used him in your 'request' to remove someone else's feedback. Whether you think it is extortion or not really doesn't matter. We describe things with words because those words have definitions. If what you said matches the exact definition of a word then it is in fact that word. Should be fairly easy to understand hopefully.

It's a pure shame that people here try to act like they're 'professional' but in the end they're just hypocrites which I find highly amusing and is the cause of my posts here.

It's not that hard to just say you tried extorting that guy and move on with your life. It is what you did after all.

[betlord90]

So where's twitchy now? He is the one who started this commotion so better for him to apologies on both parties, maybe he needs to stop his trolling so no people will be involved anymore by this nonsense things happening here.

Maybe he should report to his boss now that his mission is currently failed.

Stop making trouble here paid arrogant shill.

[Quickseller]

"Send me all of your coins and I won't delete your harddrive"
"Remove that feedback or I'll remove this guy from my list"
"Do my homework or I'll tell mom what you did last night"
"Give me $50,000 in unmarked bills or I will kill this person"

All of the above quoted examples are forms of extortion. This needed clearing up for those that do not know what extortion is.

In laymans terms, it is when you try to force another person to do something and if they don't there will be 'consequences'.

Additional examples of extortion:
"Give me $11.99 or I will not give you a loaf of bread".
"Send me the winning bid amount, or I will not ship you the coin that you won in my auction"
"Tell me the truth about what happened, or I will not ever believe what you say in the future"

The term "extortion" is very broad, one that includes the receipt of property that one is not entitled to, and one that involves things similar to conducting business, and the forming of opinions. I think it is clear that OgNasty was not attempting to receive anything of value that he was not otherwise entitled to, and thus he was not engaging in "bad"/"criminal" extortion. What OgNasty was engaging in was something that would help him gauge the ability to trust a certain person's trust ratings (eg. allow him to form an opinion).

[sho_road_warrior]

I can't apologize for things I didn't do.

This is an unfortunate stance.

I apologize. I am sorry for all you had to endure and maybe even have.

[CryptoDatabase]

"Send me all of your coins and I won't delete your harddrive"
"Remove that feedback or I'll remove this guy from my list"
"Do my homework or I'll tell mom what you did last night"
"Give me $50,000 in unmarked bills or I will kill this person"

All of the above quoted examples are forms of extortion. This needed clearing up for those that do not know what extortion is.

In laymans terms, it is when you try to force another person to do something and if they don't there will be 'consequences'.

Additional examples of extortion:
"Give me $11.99 or I will not give you a loaf of bread".
"Send me the winning bid amount, or I will not ship you the coin that you won in my auction"
"Tell me the truth about what happened, or I will not ever believe what you say in the future"

The term "extortion" is very broad, one that includes the receipt of property that one is not entitled to, and one that involves things similar to conducting business, and the forming of opinions. I think it is clear that OgNasty was not attempting to receive anything of value that he was not otherwise entitled to, and thus he was not engaging in "bad"/"criminal" extortion. What OgNasty was engaging in was something that would help him gauge the ability to trust a certain person's trust ratings (eg. allow him to form an opinion).

Selling something and saying do this or that will happen are two different things.

The first example is called a 'fair exchange' I.E. I trade you this bread in return for your money. This is not extortion and nowhere even close.

The second example is the same as the first, fair exchange and not extortion.

The third example is about the closest you came to being extortion, however loss of trust is not a 'consequence' and this fits into a more of a cause and effect situation.

I hope in the future you choose better examples like I have done that are actually structured to be accurate and not just come and post nonsense.

Here is a good example, you lost my trust when you paraded around on alts promoting false trust and then lying about it. That is roughly the same as your 3rd example except it shows cause and effect more clearly.

[minifrij]

It is perfectly reasonable to remove positive trust for a user if you don't agree with their trust decisions.  I'm not sure why we're even debating this.

It is, however IMO that isn't a similar situation. Of course it is reasonable to remove trust from someone if they make questionable trust decisions, I just don't think that one rating one one user is enough to warrant this. However this is up to personal interpretation, so I won't try to use it against you.
I also find it strange that you are using this as an argument, and yet still have direct positive trust for users such as Spondoolies-Tech. You're fine leaving trust for people who have not followed through with sales commissions, but considered removing positive trust for someone who was linked to someone who trusted someone that you didn't like? It seems a bit backwards to me.

It sounds like you're upset that I contacted the user and gave him the courtesy of being able to choose how I handled the removal of TwitchySeal from my trust network instead of just taking action.

I'm upset that you told a user "Remove your trust or I will do it for you" and see nothing wrong with that. If the roles were reversed and you were told the same thing, would you honestly accept that because he was nice about it? Regardless, I believe a lot of this is a misunderstanding and considering certain things I see no point in arguing about it further.

However, I'm also confused about what you mean by your trust network. Are you talking about the string of positive trusts (You->Mitchell->RHavar->TwitchySeal) or are you talking about the DT network? If the prior, at what point does your 'network' end?

I think a reasonable person would come to the same conclusion.

Please don't throw underhanded insults at me; I have done no such thing to you.

[game-protect]

(BELOW COMMENT IS NOT DIRECTED AT RHavar but a general observation!)
Ironically, this situation is very similar to me being asked to remove my signature.  Only difference is that I didn't threaten if anyone refused to act, I didn't make threads about anyone, I didn't make any private messages public, and I didn't strike first or at all with negative feedback.  Had I done those things, I would certainly be guilty of whatever I've accused TwitchySeal of doing.

You have threaten me to remove my justifiably feedback:

I'm going to paint your other account red with negative feedback if you don't remove this.  Thought I'd give you the chance to do the right thing first.

Here's the negative feedback I'll be returning to you tomorrow if you do not remove the unwarranted negative feedback immediately.  I will be more harsh to alt accounts I discover linked to this account, as well as alerting the scam patrol and moderator staff to do the same.  Please do the right thing and save us both the time and negative energy.

Leaving negative feedback because of who purchased my advertising?  Clearly this unstable individual and his service should be avoided.

I'm not going to dignify you with any further discussion.  Tomorrow I will leave you negative feedback if you do not do the right thing.  If you send me any other message besides apologize for leaving me negative trust because I fulfilled the promise of my signature auction then I will set your account to ignore.  I'm not going to play games with you..  Good luck.  Seek help for your gambling addiction.  Nobody is to blame for your current situation but yourself.

You do realize that is the forum's policy, right?

If you were to remove your negative trust, I can put in a policy that companies with negative trust can no longer bid on my signature advertising slot.  This would mean I would no longer be advertising for betcoin.ag (or similar untrusted organizations) at the end of this month.

That is the best I can do without breaking the contract I have in place, and is a final attempt at compromise to end this feud with you.

After you realized that you can not threaten me, you put me on your ignore list

I do not know what you have with Lutpin or TwitchySeal, but you definitely made a mistake with connecting my account to Lutpin's or TwitchySeal's.

After I realized yesterday that you stopped promoting the publicly proven Betcoin scam, I removed my feedback, like I did and will do with anyone else.

This confirms that I do not harass anyone who promotes or promoted the Betcoin scam. I did not send pm to anyone, did not threat them and did not ask to leave the campaign.

[RHavar]

You seem to be misunderstanding this situation.  As far as I know Mitchell and RHavar aren't friends, and my removal of trust of Mitchell (didn't happen by the way) shouldn't have had any effect on RHavar as Mitchell is already in the default trust network, so I don't understand why people are trying to paint this as a threat when there were no potential negative consequences for RHavar whatsoever.

Well, the first thing I did when I got your message was ask Mitchell to remove me from his trust, because the last thing I wanted was for him to be disadvantaged in any way (even if he stayed in the the default trust). Of course I'd feel bad if my actions (or lack of them) caused any harm to someone who obviously didn't deserve it. I'm just guessing here, but I can imagine that in his role on the forum it's important for him to be out of drama and stay a widely trusted person (which he completely is), so it'd be quite unfair to drag him into this mud.


And I suspect you realized that this would be the most effective deterrent to get what you wanted. It's not exactly like you could give me negative rep (for what? Not wanting to remove a banal trust feedback without evidence?), or excluding me directly would have any use. Instead you promised to do something that amounts to collective punishment (if we want to get all dramatic) unless I helped you make TwitchySeal's account red.


Now, I'm willing to accept I completely misunderstood your intentions, but I'm used to treating things in the form: "Do what I want, or I'll do something I know you won't want" as extortionistic. And I would think that you as an otherwise reasonable person would be able to see why I could have interpreted your message that way, instead of continuing to defend it and try imply I have ulterior motives for spinning it.



Also I note that Stunna had also left twitchyseal positive feedback a couple months after me, specifically related to the betcoin.ag incident:


Did you also go to efforts to have him excluded from your trust network too?

[Heutenamos]

These kids are just harassing OgNasty terribly. You have no right to tell me what to wear in my signature space unless we have that amounts of fellowship. Just stop shitting over the forum for whatever reasons.

OgNasty has the rights to remove people from his trust list if they are damaging his reputation over some kindergarten drama & he also has the right to add people to his list if he wants to(not talking bout + ratings). Why the fuck do u fail to understand other pupil perspectives ? and just call it "extortion" cause u failed to.

That pm to rhavar from OgNasty was in fact a favor rather than an extortion attempt. He has the power to simply remove/add without even informing him.

Ironically, this situation is very similar to me being asked to remove my signature.  Only difference is that I didn't threaten if anyone refused to act, I didn't make threads about anyone, I didn't make any private messages public, and I didn't strike first or at all with negative feedback.

I Second this behavior & I think people should stop attacking OgNasty's reputation over IMO's.


Not to forget the OP is a liar. He publicly posted that he will be neg-tagging people for joining betcoin Sig camp but he didn't (probably cause OgNasty wore their sig). If i had made such a commitment publicly ? fuck i would even tag satoshi for that. Integrity Kid , you don't get it on forums via trading & nor by licking the asses of authorities.

[TruthBeTold]

It's funny how certain people here have the same writing style 

Aaaanyyywaaayyyzzz  while you're arguing here about Lutpin being called a bi*ch what he is, he's doing his homework..

"Toss them a bone , and dine while they fight .."  .. meanwhile .. Little twat newest attempt in collecting trust.. buying people sh*t..

https://s4.postimg.io/nc57fsifh/fag1.jpg

http://archive.is/Kc0Up

Guess begging it out of his followers isn't enough these dayzzz is it..

https://s3.postimg.io/fqgrex2jn/fag.jpg

[DarkStar_]

Not to forget the OP is a liar. He publicly posted that he will be neg-tagging people for joining betcoin Sig camp but he didn't (probably cause OgNasty wore their sig). If i had made such a commitment publicly ? fuck i would even tag satoshi for that. Integrity Kid , you don't get it on forums via trading & nor by licking the asses of authorities.

If I said that I will strongly consider donating money to somewhere, but end up not doing it, am I a liar? No.
Strongly considering != I Will Do

I strongly consider leaving negative feedback to everyone who continues to advertise betcoin.ag

[Lutpin]

"Toss them a bone , and dine while they fight .."  .. meanwhile .. Little twat newest attempt in collecting trust.. buying people sh*t..

Now that's a load of crap.
I had reached my maximum allowed ticket number and I wanted the raffle to start immediately.
I decided to gift tickets to two users, and zepher, who I have been talking to alot and who I had a very nice deal with recently,
aswell as Mitchell, who is reshipping stuff for me on a monthly basis, without ever asking for any payments or sth,
both stroke me like persons I would want to do this for.
It was a way to say thanks, not an "attempt in collecting trust".

[Patatas]

Guess begging it out of his followers isn't enough these dayzzz is it..

While all your posts are off-topic,why don't you make a new thread and brag about your issues there ? Guess what,no one gave a rats ass about your last post and no one will,about this one.Asking a positive feedback from a member at DT level < 3 when they've have been paying the members on time is not considered "begging for reputation".Only if you were audacious enough to post from your main account.[which probably got banned from Crypto-Games signature campaign]

[Heutenamos]

about Lutpin being called a bi*ch what he is

Stop Kidding. It takes a significant amount of talent just to be a basic bitch.

he's doing his homework..

Not to forget the OP is a liar. He publicly posted that he will be neg-tagging people for joining betcoin Sig camp but he didn't (probably cause OgNasty wore their sig). If i had made such a commitment publicly ? fuck i would even tag satoshi for that. Integrity Kid , you don't get it on forums via trading & nor by licking the asses of authorities.

If I said that I will strongly consider donating money to somewhere, but end up not doing it, am I a liar? No.
Strongly considering != I Will Do

I strongly consider leaving negative feedback to everyone who continues to advertise betcoin.ag

So you mean he is an Extortionist ? Yes you are right in that case. He was extorting the group of participants who were a competition to crypto_games.

[TruthBeTold]

It's funny how certain people here have the same writing style 

Aaaanyyywaaayyyzzz  while you're arguing here about Lutpin being called a bi*ch what he is, he's doing his homework..

"Toss them a bone , and dine while they fight .."  .. meanwhile .. Little twat newest attempt in collecting trust.. buying people sh*t..

https://s4.postimg.io/nc57fsifh/fag1.jpg

http://archive.is/Kc0Up

Guess begging it out of his followers isn't enough these dayzzz is it..

https://s3.postimg.io/fqgrex2jn/fag.jpg

Now that's a load of crap.
I had reached my maximum allowed ticket number and I wanted the raffle to start immediately.
I decided to gift tickets to two users, and zepher, who I have been talking to alot and who I had a very nice deal with recently,
aswell as Mitchell, who is reshipping stuff for me on a monthly basis, without ever asking for any payments or sth,
both stroke me like persons I would want to do this for.
It was a way to say thanks, not an "attempt in collecting trust".

Whatever floats your boat man, people are dumb enough to buy that shish.
Buying people stuff for no apparentreason is totally legit ! (Especially if they are high ranking staff members) i dont judge lol

[minifrij]

It's funny how certain people here have the same writing style  

I know it's rare, but some people do speak English to a decent level on this forum.

buying people sh*t..

How dare he buy two raffle tickets to people he speaks regularly to in an IRC channel! What a heartless son of a bitch!

(Especially if they are high ranking staff members)

Ah yes, Zepher. One of the highest ranking members of the staff team.. Wait a second!

It's also laughable that you don't have the balls to post from your main account.

[redsn0w]

I think a neutral trust is better than a negative one, come on Lutpin make peace with OgNasty  .

[Zepher]

I have avoided commenting in this thread so far, for the simple reason that I do not wish to get involved in a dispute between 2 members. I still do not wish to get involved.

"Toss them a bone , and dine while they fight .."  .. meanwhile .. Little twat newest attempt in collecting trust.. buying people sh*t..

Tell me 'TruthBeTold'... So you think that Lutpin is attempting to collect trust from me, for buying me a spot in a raffle?.. That's not how it works. Not for me anyway.
Myself and Lutpin have done a deal for something, and he feels that I was very fair to him.. As payback, without me asking, he bought me a spot in that raffle.

This does not garner trust from me.

The deal we have made on the other hand, will do, I just haven't gotten round to it yet.

So, there is your prior notice regarding how I leave trust - I will leave Lutpin, and anyone else I feel deserves it, positive trust after a successful trade if I see it fit to do so.

Now... it would be nice if you could stop derailing the thread. Thank you.

Zepher

[cpfreeplz]

These kids are just harassing OgNasty terribly. You have no right to tell me what to wear in my signature space unless we have that amounts of fellowship. Just stop shitting over the forum for whatever reasons.

OgNasty has the rights to remove people from his trust list if they are damaging his reputation over some kindergarten drama & he also has the right to add people to his list if he wants to(not talking bout + ratings). Why the fuck do u fail to understand other pupil perspectives ? and just call it "extortion" cause u failed to.

Apparently that's 'not what this thread is about' rofl. I wonder if you'll get the same response I did;)


Well it seems OgNasty has apologized so are you two ok to kiss and make up now?