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I am writing about the sites where you have to make a deposit before buy and the site offers to act as a MM in deals.

How could I know when they are trying to scam me? In general, how do I know if a MM site is trusted?

1. Scan the site, there are have a malware/virus on the site.
2. Look at company profile. Then research it.
3. Look at the system. Don't easy to believe you can earn high commission just doing useless thing. High commission is mostly use by site scam to steal your money.
4. Don't easy to believe because the site has been run for more than a year/2 years. Point 3, look at system.

There are some my opinion points.

I see...you are an expert.
Is my U2 system a scam?

Do you have an example of any such site ? The best is to just research the forum or do a quick google search to look up the reputation for the website. Most of the bitcoin sites also have a thread on btctalk and you can cross check how it has been doing lately.

First of all i would looking for the vouch i mean search on google and read the review however this is not 100% trusted since it's easy to create fake comments or review but if the site is bitcoin related i am going to find some review on this forum especially from the trusted member to make sure that the site is not scam. I would invest only on popular site but it doesn't mean that the site wouldn't turn to scam, let say the possibility to scam is 50% even for the big and popular exchanger right now, just don't invest more than you can afford to lose.

Honestly you can not know it easily if there is not reviews from other people and they are just new.. better to try there service or buy something to them for a small amount so that you will test them if they are legit or not..
Try scam advisory for some checker that you can find in google. maybe they can give some advise..

1. Analyze the site in which you are buying good
2. Check the company name and search it by google to see some reviews
3. Check the referral system, if they pay a high commission for users, stay away from it
4. Check whether they have DDos protections and some security from their site
5. Ask people from many forum or social network whether anyone got scam or not

This is what i frequently check.

Company profile(location ,contact number ,email )etc.. Call the number for assurance if available.
Check the site background (overall) its help and FAQ.
Check its security

Thats only what i've check and all i've check is done in my first said Company profile check . Like HYIPs sites before i check and found it was scam then after some months im correct it scams.therefore even the site is longer active and fuctioning if you suspected it a scam site or some of its company profile ,background and security is not functioning or wrong identity don't go with it.

I know a site is a scam when their offers are very good to be true. Basically this is the Ponzi HYIP scheme, offering high returns in a small time period, which you don't need to do any kind of task or job, just need to send them money.

There are another kinds of scammers, like shops where you buy stuff and don't receive anything, etc. So, when you want to make a deal on the internet, choose the trustful sites only, based on customers opinios.

Common sense maybe? Well in my own perspective. I always do look first the type of site i was trying to enter most likely HYIP has the highest risk of getting shutdown, next is cloudmining platform and then investment sites or revshares. So i prefer to used their services always as a free member.

To be honest, I have no idea what an MM site is. If I were looking to trust a site I would look at a number of things.

Are they asking for an investment from you? Red flag.

Are they well known?

Can you find any real reviews (which for most scams will be fairly obvious).

Does someone reputable that you know or know of from a forum (such as bitcointalk) use the website with no issues?

Last but not least, if it seems too good to be true it probably is.

I don't believe in any investment site as mostly all are scam or may soon turn scammers. Earlier there were PTC sites that used to appear too good to be true and even pay their upgraded members but as soon as they earned enough profit, they just cheated everyone and turned scam. The first thing you need to check is their certificate and license, their reviews (don't depend on them as they can be bought), the returns (if they sound too good to be true, just give it a miss) and invest only the minimum amount if the site is online for over 2-3 years.

I hope you do not believe this about my investment U2 system.
All first real investment have been paid back with profit and now all investments are for free and only re-investment with earned satoshi is possible.
I believe you have invested for free at the start and have given up...
Why not check out  your account and see how it is now?

Ok...mostly all investment sites are scam...but mine not...

It's pretty much all about using your brain, scam websites are most of the time obvious (poor english sometimes , poor design , low quality domain name , no SSL  (HTTPS) which should be available in any website that transfer sensitive data ) and other stuff like that , scammers aren't creative , they are just trying to make a quick buck because they can't do anything else and they don't want to spend money to do that either. In addiction to that , you should always google about the website before depositing any BTC .

Research is a must. This is a first step when you are trying to find out about the legitimacy of any site.

After hearing thoughts from community or any people with experience on that site, you will automatically know what to do. If in some cases you don't find any opinions about the certain site then it's up to you now if you will face the risk. Well for me, without majority consent I will not consider any site as a legit one. Also we can state some sites if it's an obvious scam.

What I really want to do is to collect the signs that distincts the case when there is some hidden malicious activity on client side ( like a trojan on your HDD ) than when the server side is the malicious ( = scam site ). If you see that your balance disappears from your deposit address, that either could be a trojan that withdraw your money or the fact that the site went rouge.

to do that you must know which group of sites are you searching paid to click ,mining ,revenue share,hyip,mlm...it is best to write about revenue share and ptc sites,to do that check if sie have special own design then it is better than others and check google rewievs and forum rewievs and rank

On some sites I do not know and I think no one know as the admin escape away suddenly but on some sites we feel when the management is interrupted from the administration and the lack of support start to occur etc then I feel that something bad is going to happen there.

Look any website that ask you to make a deposit before you be able to use or earn with their services will always be a scam soo just dont joing such, you will pay for something and will get nothing easy as that.

that's good advices. thank you.

I ever found a site/service that offers a high commission, but we need to do an easy job. So I looked for information about the site from my friends and read some threads about the site, and then I knew that it was a scam.

or we can read the feedbacks about the site, and see if the site has sertificate or not.

Scam is different from hacking.

I don`t know how to recognize scam site, I`m trying to see whole picture. I look at design, what they promise and how big interest is, I don`t like when they offer something too good. One of the best ways is this forum, I always search around the forum what other members think about specific investment site.
Scammers are more smarter now then before, they always find some new way to trick us. Sometimes it`s hard to recognize a scam site, when everything looks good, and everything runs smoothly. Then just time can show who is scammer and who is not.

before the site scam i found a most common think that is , when they are trying to ran then they will increase the bonus for your investment and also profit for your investment will be increase . and with the bulk deposit they ran with scam .
so if any site increase his bonus for customer then fill your mind with scam alert .

As  a  responsible  potential  member or  investor  on a  particular  site you must  obliged yourself  before to join to check  its   legalities .  Check its  profile, owners profile, their system and security  on their website.  If they  pay too  high  on referal  for sure it wouldnt last  long on its career.

When the site is asking for more information about your Financial details than it is necessary without first providing any services or products

Mostly all of scam site doing that and totally we must be aware since that is the real indicator that they are running, thats why we should not fall for big payouts since hyips are making that tactics to gain more investors,

Thats why its better for us to not look up and try to invest in that false invesment sites since hyips are all the same theirs no legal on them

Absolutely because for me it is one of the safest way to prevent from being scammed. But they should also have to be careful about the legalities being issued by that certain companies so it would now depends on the credibility of the documents.

its a good thing to first realize who you are dealing with and knowing them in bitcoin community is a difficult task unless they freely give their identity for users to check their reputation. and if they don't make this publicly, this could be a sign that they will scam you.

and you won't knew it until you can't retrieve your money.

It's good to have a background checking first / do profiling on the site or account that you're going to transact / put your investment in. It's nice to know to do research first so you will feel safer too. Scammers are good in luring to get more victims.  ;D

It's always better to do deals and join sites when you know the owner or know he's a trusted person. Here on forum we can know who is trustful and who isn't by users reputation. It's a good way to know which sites to use, like casinos, exchanges, faucets, etc. If the account has many good reviews it's a good sign for sure.

The technique i use to know if a site is a scam is very simple. Let the other first use the site after that Im waiting for their feedbacks if the site is legit or scam. Im using malware detector too. And im not trusting a HYIP site!

Looking at their design, mostly a lot of a trust site are already building their site with seriously. but it's not be an strongly things for defining the site are scam site, the second look at their history, seems already having some review about the another people are trying using the site and checking how long the site are running, because mostly a new site is having a high percentage of be a scam site, and look at the companies or organization is the owner of site from their history.

for me, i don't want to play with the site that need to make deposit to get money because i have bad experience with this. my bad experience is when i make deposit in that site, and run work for sometime and i reach the minimal amount to withdraw, then i decide to withdraw it but its can not be process, they said that their system has got maintenance and its been for 1 weeks so i leave the site.

actually its simple to detect that site is paying or not. if they offer for free to get money, just do with free one, and make deposit only for small amount that we can make withdraw. after that, trying to withdraw. from that, we can that site is really paying or not and we can decide want to continue or not.

I think it is simply to know whether a website is a fraud or trusted.those site which offer high interest for deposit are always fraud.generally fraud website register their domain for only 1 year. Or you can check their backup option,forum etc as mentioned by other users

Before you try to invest  on a certain website   be sure  to search first all informations   regarding to a  website, all find a review or   opinions  on a  certain website  because  with this way  you could somehow  know about   on the site legitimacy. If  you saw most negative feedbacks then dont  try to proceed.

This is very simple, the site is trying to scam you if they are promising a good return and convincing you to invest to their system.

And that is on how they are supporting their system and maintenance for the investors or referrals that they might get some profit from them.

Always look at the established time/year of a website, mostly the new ones does have fishy moves.

You can't actually see the real score of a certain site if this is legit or not since theyre are so many refferal junkies and willing to risk your money just for the sake of their bunos, they will surely say good things about that site so you would be encourage to invest and turn out to be a scam victim later so for this not to be happen well we should not invest at any of those at this moment since anything can be wrong bad for just single minute for hyip sites.

In most cases the scammers give us or offer the highest returns in their category in order to catch our attention, as its humans nature to get greedy and to wish some great returns on their investment, so if a site offers something like that you don't need to even do any research but skip it, but if a site is offering normal rates but still you feel you should check it then do a small research on google or on forums related to that website to make sure it has some positive reviews.

You cant know when sites want to scamm you becaus the sites who scamm you are also lookinggood these days so you wont be able to see it only when you already been scammed off course !

It actually pretty obvious. Scam sites are not well made. Those are just websites that are made to scam people so no need to spend money in purchasing a good website design, right? The website owners just have to look for the right victim. What is an MM website by the way? I know MLM but not MM. Just remember that any offer that is too good to be true is automatically a scam. There's no easy way in earning money.

Many ways to know that, because they will offering more and more, like i have got many emails to invest the bitcoin and get 30% profit. and also i got one post to invest the bitcoin and after month get the double amount, so i have a bad experience because i invest it and get a big lose, So better is that left it all, and do your own investment like holding the bitcoins.

In addition to that, they will stop responding to customer enquirers and complaints. You will begin to have problems to withdraw your money than previously you were getting without any hitch. And finally the site may go down and stop running from time to time. In my experience, going offline and coming back alive is also one of the symptom, we can read about future scam. 

In my opinion, if a web site promises to give you great benefits you be careful,
Because in the world,There is no free lunch,This is how I distinction liar

You said a big true. There is no free lunch. People offering advantages to others without effort and work are surely scammers trying to steal money from fools and lazy people that believe this kind of scheme is really profitable and legit. Unfortunelly actually on the internet, we see 90% of the offers on money makers groups are from scammers and thieves. This is one of the reasons for the bad reputation of internet jobs.

There are   really people  out there whose  too hungry for referrals  and  would really try to  pursue  on convincing you  to join a  certain website and they say all good things about them and  the  goodness  when you  join and   thats why some  people would  really fall for that  believing  all those  sweet words from someone  but they really dont  know the  real  motive which is  getting   referral  bonus  when they   recruit someone. Thats their advantage  though and they  dont  care  about the  person  of being scammed  of that site.

Yeah that is really something fishy if they are promising you with a lot of good things but you need to invest into their website and system. Just always remember know the reputation of those websites and try to ask their support and do some research on the feed back of other users so that you are going to be secured.

You will never know when a site is trying to scam you there are so many people who got scammed online with their bitcoins but never ever some one has caught because
they cant be caught because the bitcoin is untraceable you know.

But we can't do anything against them since its there choice to spread the scam site everywhere and we cannot put some bad tag on them since the spreading happened at social media sites, and i really believe that this kind of scheme will be hardnto.elimanate easily since there are so many frauds continuesly making some another just to scam people again.

I agree:
No free lunch but free shares.
And when you sell your free shares you get real satoshi.

If people who have writen so much wrong things about winspiral had taken this spent time to claim for free they were now a little richer (lol)

The problem is that people are paid for sign campaign for everything even if this everything is not the truth...
and it is easier to write wrong things because for wrinting wrong things you do not need big brain.

You will never know when a site tries to camm you you know lots of peopel dont think about this much becuase they are not getting scammed yet but everyone in the bitcoin world will be scammed ones.

In the general when you do see several people promoting something saying your investment will return fast its a signal that the project its going to end soon, otherwise they wouldnt be promoting it soo deeply. There are several projects offering a big return for a small investment.

Before making a good entrance at any kind of site, Im doing a google search for that kind of site. Is this legit? Is this paying? Actually when I know that a site is an obvious scam we don't need any research for this. It's kinda easy to determined if the site will going to be bad site someday. If a site offers a profit especially in a short period of time but we didn't know how it's that possible, that is totally a shit.

Other newbies easily get caught by this scams site since they still have no experience and most of them wants a passive income. Hope that newbies somehow will do a research first before investing their money.

the best way is actually through testimonial from other user or any info regard to the site, but if nobody test it yet then you need to check the legitimate of the site, like where did they set up the site, how long they owned the domain, one of the simple trick i usually do is, i sent email to the customer support to see any reply or not, if they are real they will reply you, but of course you can't depend only on this trick

You answered your thing yourself, that someone would probably not only depend on that fact that their support is answering you or not because we have also seen scammers in past where there support used to be very responsive but they were still declared scam later on.

Why bother to send query to customer support? It's obvious if they respond that they are legit one. If somehow a person doesn't find any feedbacks or reviews about the site upon own research, they can start a thread at any forum site in an appropriate section and check people's view about the site.

Experienced users can able to give some insights about a certain site if it's legit or not. It's enough basis to consider if a person will invest in a particular site.

I saw many replies that suggest checking user reviews and I agree that most scams are surrounded by angry feedback about its being a scam pool, but the scammer could buy a few trusted accounts on the major forums and post positive feedback about the site. For the time when it becomes visible to members that the site is scam, the scammer probably made profit already.

Each one must know and analise what the website has to offer, how many months online and payments, and ask for opinions before invest, usually the most websites that wants to scam they will hide under others accounts, as stated above some accounts can be bought.

I think the best way is to just use your common sense, if the offer seems too good to be true then most likely it is, while you could search for reviews, now many scammer sites put fake reviews of the product or service, so that is not very helpful.

The bold are so pathetic sentences in this day but totally that's a fact in this day and I ever seen the legendary account with a lot of green trusts are be bought by a newbies (I can't  define if the newbies are bought the account are totally a scam. I just assuming he is a newbie). Like decloud are totally using the green trust of legendary account for scammed over 298BTC from bitcoiners in the past times.

We should really expect  that  this  kind  of  doings are  just  normal  for this  environment and we  cant do anything about  it   hence no matter  how we  stop it it would still  pop out  like  mushrooms  because  aiming for  money and  greediness  is still there and we cant get   it  from a  certain  individual thats why they  keep  pursuing to do  bad things  into other  people and  wont  mind anymore if they would   be  affected to much or  not as  long  they are making money  on that  way.

the problem is that people prefer scam sites than honnest sites.

When you create a site and say:
earn daily 10000 satoshi you have members even if you scam your members.
when you say 500 satoshi and you are honnest...noboddy comes because people prefer go to the scammers...

So is life...and if in the meantime the honnest webmaster is bombed with red trust you can forget the honnest site.

And so soon you have red trusted the scammer...he has open ten other scam sites.

On forums you have 10 members saying an honnest site is scam and only one or two saying the site is honnest...
And the wrong redtrusters never admit that they was wrong...they disappear...

Absolutely, scammers wont stop doing this until they see even one percent of people getting tricked by them, because we can always see even if today a site is declared scam and tomorrow a site pops up with the same concept they would still get some investors, because of newbies and their greed of earning quick money.

As soon as a site makes you a promise beware. Anyone telling you there is 0 risk is lying because everything involves a risk. Hell waking up in the morning involves a risk. Driving your car involves the risk of death. Nothing is without risk. The best way is to fins out historically what sort of profits you would expect if thongs kept going the same way. This is not a sure thing either. You might make even more or even less. But certainly investing in a company with stable profits will almost certainly bring profits. Kind of like you would sy you won't die driving to the shops as if it were a sure thing but you still could in theory die in a crash though the odds are so low. Those are the sort of invest!ends you eant! Not promises and nonesense thrown at you. You need to see facts and figures and proper backing. Proper reasons to invest not some fantasy story of being "expert trade men" making 30% in mere days. That is clearly crap and only you are to blame If you for such things.

I think that is the right way to define it, that is greed, there is nothing wrong with wanting a little bit of more money, but some people go to extreme length in order to try to get and then get burned.

Those people are always making fake and marketting ways to be visible for many people newbie always experience of scam and i think they are getting newbie to invest high because its just for investing and nothing they are needed to do just to invest and make profit.. but honestly when i was scam before i thought that bitcoin is scam so i search many times and found this forum and it helps me to know those who are scammers or not. .

Yeah this post is spot on, I will just add to be cautious about new sites claiming they have been around for years and that they have a bunch of decades of experience since most likely hose sites are scams as well.

This is probably the biggest issue: the latest websites are even hard to prove that they are fake. Cloud mining websites were the most profitable ones a few years ago making MILLIONS in profits, but now it looks like almost everyone finally understood it's just a fake business. Fake for us, extremely profitable for them. Make sure you look up the websites on Google before you register and try them out. Search for reviews of that website and be careful, there might be even fake reviews. Fake websites got fake reviews and fake user counts and stuff like that. For example, there was a website a while ago that used to fake their user counting so whenever you refreshed you got a random number of users. There are plenty of things you can find suspicious on websites.

We talk here about it, but truth is that scam happen in seconds before we have time to think. Here I don't talk about classic scam trys, when we recognize possible scam and we stay away from it. I'm talking when everything looks ok, good site with positive reviews, advertising on many places.
Who knew that bitfinex gona crash? Who knew thag some faucet will crash and not pay? Small or big scam doesn't matter, we are not aware of it until it hits us.

You could only know that the site scam you if the members are no increasing and also the withdraws.
So to prevent scam we need to be careful for our money invest, that is my own observation.

That's the main point of this, too many scam sites are offering for earning some benefits without trying for using some of your effort for finding the, and i can defining totally a lot of the sites are starting with this way are including on the scam site. but not at all. mostly.

We could actually say  its a scam  if   it  hits  us  for  sure  but   as a  human we  could eventually avoid  it    if we saw some  factors that are  quite suspicious  on  our awareness. If we do value  our money  then  we should  obliged our selves  to  put  up or search  some   informations  regarding to a particular site  if its  legit  or not  a  ponzi  ,hyip site. If we  do configure what it is  then  we saw that it would became scam  in the long run then we should stay away at the first place and  dont  let it to hit  us afterall.

It is not always important that the transactions shown on a website should be fake in order to represent the intentions of that website to be bad, but sometimes they even do some real transactions in order to make the users believe in them and later on they turn scam after getting a lot of investors.

If that's your only method, then how are you going to deal with websites that doesn't show the number of members and withdrawals? In my experience, you simply have to google the website that you're about to use. Even before you find out about a website, somebody has already posted a feedback about it. But sometimes most of the time you can just sense it yourself, most unpopular websites out there are scam anyway.

Actually google wouldn't help you cause for researching for any hyip site sometimes because they will redirect you to those  hyip generator sites or some hyip analyzer and surely they will rate those site paying for the times they are running, and for scamming issue to be avoided will we should stop investing at them eventhough theirs people would brought up us on those site, hyips investment well never be a good idea so trashout the thinking for long profits of earning with this one.

That's really happening just to make their website to become real just to make believe that they are really paying.

But the most effective way to know that a site tries to scam you, talk to other members of that and do some discussions like here in forum.

Or any other forum that is related to that site.

The arguments are almost everytime (99%) based in some bizarre profit/return.

Appearance is not everything but it's important, and linked with that you have to look at the source code. Many scam pages have pre-defined script and the logic or the code it's not linked with what the site offers.

Google it then search in The Badlist in badbitcoins.org.

By doing this it's satisfatory to detect some scam page.

I do not agree:
If the unique risk is that the sky can fall on our head (or such kind of risk) then it is for me 0 risk.

My U2 system is 0 risk and I can not accept that people say it is not so...
When I say it is impossible to lose,then it is so...
Why does people take pleasure to say that the 0 risk does not exist?

Ok...every one can die suddently...but this has nothing to see with my system.
Ok...a server can crash...but this has nothing to see with my system...
If a crash does happen with this forum server ...it is the same ...you will not say every where that this forum is risky for this.

Please do not only talk on one side...risk free systems do exist...at least one...my U2 system...(lol)

Knowing nothing about my system is not an excuse for saying wrong things...

Yep and the bad thing is that doing that is extremely easy and cheap, in order to create a script that in every refresh increases the number of users is extremely easy, just a few lines of code that anyone can do.

well, you know that the site you want to rip you always give false evidence unreasonable or give promos beyond common sense. it usually gets people interested to try it. with promises that he will give hundreds of $ if you do what the site said. Well, it is easy to see the site as it was, because I've been several times to join the site as it was

If they are asking for such personal information it could be because they want to be sure that they are not doing business with fraudsters who may use stolen money to them in exchange of good or services. Basically, it is a step to protect both parties. I guess this will not let you to figure out the future scams.

Look the trust points and you can not go wrong about the webmaster...
Avoid red trusted webmasters...they are and can only be scammers.

Well, your trust is red at this moment... I think we shouldn't trust you so hehe. :D

If you want to escape from scammers, just search more about the site you are looking for or search more about the person you are going to deal. Always use a trusted escrow, so you can't be scammed.

Always use the reputable escrow and using the reputable site, and I think all of the sites are already filling all of you need today. and too many the newbies are trying for using a new site with unknown credibility and reputation.

Where should I search about the site or the person? Forums? As we discussed, high ranking forum accounts can be bought. News? We know that HQ, positive articles could be delivered from a writing service. So where?


It does not solve the problem when the scammer buys a high ranked account with alot of green trust. You see only an online avatar, but you can't see who or who ARE the people who actually control it.

This is very unusual for a website that ask you a lot of your personal information. That is making them more suspicious and if a site that you are entering and you try to put some investments with it, then suspect that it will turn to scam you, maybe not your bitcoin or money at first.
But it will, with your information.

This is why I have said that your best defense is just your common sense; if the offer seems too good then its most likely is, since almost any signal that you could look for can be faked by the scammers.

To be a realistic person and never get into the bait are offered by the FUD and especially the scammer are always spreading the word of can get a profit totally with the easiest way in this time and are no need any effort for doing it.

Well,if you see a deal that is too good to be through,or you see a deal that you literlly dont understand at all how the site are making some profit out of it,then you are probably being scammed.

If it is too good to be true,then it is aint true.

We can see a clear red trust on your profile, should we consider you a scammer as well? (kidding)
You should not just see the red trust of a site owner on this forum, what if the owner is not on the forum? How would you examine the site then? You should just do some research and ask other people about it and see if what reputation it has in the community, because sometimes it becomes hard to know if a site is scam or not, and sometimes they are not scam but they turn scam later, in such cases you would lose some money for sure.

If I refer at the redtruster and if they are honnest reputable members I can only be a scammer...
Only two solutions:
The red trusters are right and I am a scammer.
or
The red trusters are wrong and I am not a scammer.

We have no alternative...
My advise:
Considerate me as a scammer...so you will never be scammed from me (lol)

I offer 20000 satoshi dayly at my members...do not believe it...a scammer does not tell the truth...

I have offered 12281098.99 satoshi satoshi to my members...do not believe it...a scammer does not tell the truth...

I do agree with you, common sense   would be the best defense against  with this   scam attempts. I do believe  that all of  us   are being  victimized  with this   kind of scams  when we are just a newbie  and  thats   a normal thing for  me because  we do lack  of  knowledge  on the   first  place  but  if we do have experience  with these such things we could really  know  already  on which  one is a scam  or not.

Truly common sense is the main key for us to avoid to be scammed and if the site gives such huge profit in return i think that is the best identifying tracks that they will surely run, only those newbies are really the prone of th bad scamming happen so they should better to do some research to look off the idea upon putting some of their money in that kind of sites and point them as scam investment platforms.

That is actually quite right that the sites trying to scam someone mostly uses sweet words and good returns that should attract the users and mostly new users who does not have any experience in such things get attracted by them and the scammers get their money from then while they regret later on.

There are a lot of other possible symptoms to identify a future scam site, but misinterpreting a well hospitalised customer support will not be a right approach in my experience. Because, probably a customer support will always use sweet words and they are completely independent from admins who only having the plan of scamming you in near future.

Don't believe with customer supports,because scam sites can easily provide it. They can speak to their own and defend themselves if you are going to ask them if they are scam. Because I talked to a forex scam site and he called me out, but I already know that they are scam and I can say that my experience there is really tough because they will convince you to invest $100 to them with their sweet words and promises.

Indeed if they are asking for personal information that is not relevant for the thing you are doing, its pretty obvious that its a scam/fraudulent website.
In most cases it can be seen easily and you also should never just trust website blindly, always google it first before you use it.

I think that you should never look at the design or something like that, another thing you can also check is secured connections(HTTPS).

yeaa simply identify when the service offered to you is too good to be true then gotcha 100% scam attempt.
don't too easy to be lured by an exaggerate advertisement.
and be a smart customer , it was the key to not get scammed online.

How can we identify if the site is trying to scam us, that is the question, basically scam attempt falls under HYIPs and Ponzi schemes, they will create a very professional website that is very good to the eyes, then they will offer you a once in a lifetime offer of double your money in one day, then they ask you to refer someone for you to be able to cash out. This is some of the method scammers are doing.  Reminds me of some site that offers an advertisement and promised 120% return, but to get that you need to buy their package first, do clicks everyday and your profit stop when you get 120% or your adspack expire.  Your ads is viewed and clicked by the member of that site.  So the site owner is milking their member and making them work to get paid.  Btw, you won't get to click if you don't buy their adspack.

Site scams are commonly see in many types, Add link site pages in the site and scam from that link and some people create site same like the online wallet site and scam you when you believe the site as your wallet.

"If you have some doubt then it's a scam"

Just hold your money, don't give it to scammers, invest in friends project or whatever, just don't wast your money/time.

Yeah, sometimes your own instinct is going to help you identify if they just want to scam you. But sometimes it is false accusing those good sites too. And the best thing, if you really doubt the site you are wasting your time for it. Then just simply leave it and find some other else and always remember that don't ever get into their sweet words, don't get fooled easily.

Instinct  would really somehow  help you   in choosing  possible  investment sites,  you are right there are some  instances where good sites  are being  accused  by wrong  informations  because  of some  people  work for another   website. Its  normal though but  we  should  be  vigilant and do some   investigations  regarding when you are  investing   to a certain site. If you saw  negative  on a  certain website then for sure  its a scam.

And what is your instinct saying about my U2 system?
would your instinct red trust me like 8 people have done?
I'm interesting to know what your instinct does think about...

Maybe it can help because it make you feel uneasy or have doubt.  But instinct work on all cases.  Something that is alien to you will automatically tell you to be careful about it legit or not legit company.  And to make your mind at ease you are going to investigate if that site is a scam or not.  But basically, having knowledge over this scam sites and its operation, you will automatically detect if it is a scam site or not.

Though it is right that if you have any doubt about a site so simply dont take the risk but sometimes we can't even have any doubt about some sites which turns scam because they pay the users for very long time and we think that they are really paying and we start investing too and then we see them running.

You can always search for the site on google with the word "scam" , or you can even search for that in a trust network.

Also, if you think that the site offers you a strange deal, or a deal that you do not understand how can they make a profit out of it, it is probably a scam, and unless you got some good feedback from a trusted source, you should stay away from this site.

Don't hesitate to check before you pay.
 

Please do not say if doubt then is surely scam...
I find this horrible that one is guily on doubt...in which world do you live?

It is not every program that you have doubt about that will turn out to be scam, at times your conscience might be judging in the wrong direction too. The most important clue to a problem like this is you try to make enough research about the business before you go into it.

1-The Domain Name: A lot of fraudulent websites will use a domain name similar to a brand name, I have seen fake sites, For exemple Hashocean.co
After the scam of real Hashocean.
2-No Contact Information: If the website does not have a contact us page, or it if does and it only offers a form to fill out, this is a strong indicator of fraud.
3-Check the WHOIS: Do a domain WHOIS lookup to see who owns the domain. The result will tell you the registrar (company that the domain was purchased through), when it was created, when it expires as well as contact details.
4-Test the Contact Information: If the website does list contact information, call, write or email the site, using their contact details, to check if it works. If you get an automatic voice messaging system, the number is not in service, or no one answers during business hours, then exercise caution.
5-Check if the Login, Create Account, and Payment Pages are Secure:  Many fake or fraudulent sites will not bother to buy an SSL (Secure Sockets Layer) certificate. SSL certificates secure the transfer of your data when you submit sensitive information (creating an account, or submitting payment info) and cost money.

Mostly it already can be seen by surfing on it due to the fact that its mostly not made professional and you just always have to keep an eye on the reviews, you can even ask it here on the forums so we can take a look at it!

If you have to ask if your project it's an scam, so probably is.
If it wasn't, you will talk with the guys who negatived you and will not be wasting your time here.

1. Always research the sites. Look for reviews or something.
2. Look at the sites. If you look at the site and there is something suspicion going on at the site. Stay away from it.
3. Double check the domain, is it a replica of other websites.
4. SSL certificate. Check if the website have SSL certificate. Because SSL is used to secure credit card transactions, data transfer and logins.
5. Common sense. If the sites says double or even triple your btc, do you think something is wrong? Obviously there is. Which kind soul on earth would double your btc for free Hence, always use your common sense and think.

Your system seems a stupid system, It's not 8 but 9 with high-level trust. Keep your system on your mind and fuck off with your moronic system. and that's why no one is interesting with your system with over 100000000000000000% is a fraud system.

The best thing you can do to avoid scam site is check the people's review, if you cant find one then i suggest you to hold your investment, i think research is the most important to prevent yourself being scammed, other things like checking domain name and expired date wont help a lot

Are you so sure about you are saying?
I'm not...I'm even the living proof that you are wrong...

Living proof? what proof? Do you seriously take sone huge profit from your beholding site? Do you think your site can generate really such huge profit to even pay to your possible prospects? You cannot blame us to think negative since the trust spoken for your feedbacks and google would really helps us to sort out and determined that cloudmining is totally on struggling stage, people surely not believe on just peoples though and claims.

In the past I have invested in many websites and saying the truth have been experienced with many things.

First the offers are too good to be true but even if they are true they will start paying you but they will start delaying the payment.

After delaying the payment for a long time they will cut the payment, will take more commissions and at the end they will bankrupt.

I have never said huge profit...
I just affirme that nowadays my members get daily 20000 satoshi profit.
I just say that i have never scammed and that i will never scam.
And those who say that all redtrusted people are scammers are wrong because I'm redtrusted...and not a scammer.
It is why I'm a living proof...

Any type of investment that was not been good and helpful to the people will lead you into red trust and that's why they have putted you red trust for your system is very not trustworthy and the good people here in forum are fighting those people who are promoting scams so that's why they have left you a red trust to warn other members too about your system.

I do not agree with you:
They have redtrusted because they were wrong about my systems...
In the meantime all my systems have made profit to my investors...
You have never and will never find a loser on winspiral's sites when it is said that it is impossible to lose...

If you had followed the "stories" you would seen that most of redtruster' arguments were:Poor English or horrible design...
my red trust does not matter...I just say that redtrust does not mean scam,because the redtrusters can be absolutly wrong...and as soon one is redtrusted by a wrong truster...other redtrusters do same without using brain...

On here I am not scammed by any person as at here for any deal I use escrow but before here on PTC site I was scammed by a number of PTC sites but even after that I was unable to find that which site is the next to scam us as the sites were much fair and were paying but suddenly they run away but sometimes I find them because of their some dealings with the members.

I had a similiar experience as you into the ptc industry i had invested on the first days of a great ptc, and it were paying for over 2 months, soo i decided to risk, when i had reached around 50% the investment i tryed to cashout and i knew it had turned scam after 1 days as the payment were instant. At crypto there are several projects that we know they cant survive for a long time, but there is no a safe way to know wich website will turn into scam and when it will happen.

On the site in my signature You can check the nature of purchase before depositing the money and buy or tip.
There is enough free stuff to decide if it cost money or not.
NSFW

I know when the site offers very good rates to be real. If you see any site offering income of 0.1%-10% hourly you can know this is a scam scheme. There are a lot of them everywhere and each day with a different name.

But we can find another kinds of scammers. Like fraudulent sellers (when you want to buy stuff and receive nothing). The best thing to prevent these situations is just negociate on trusted sites with trusted persons. Here on forum the same.
Use reputable services with escrows if needed to guarantee a full safe transaction. If you follow all the steps of safety, there is not error.

This is a very easy thing to know. You can just simply know if a site wants to scam you if they are promising you high returns.
So if they say that out of your $10, you will earn $100 for a week.
Then that is a very fishy offer and for sure they will just want to scam your money if you will invest to them.

You are right, I have been in the business for almost two years and I've also already encountered so much scam sites and all of the things that you have stated is right aside from the licensed because it can also be manipulated sometimes. What I really do like the most was the rates because it is really pretty obvious that if the rate is pretty good to be true.

This is pretty clever scammer I think, like hashocean, they has been payout for over 1 years(cmiiw), then after they earn more profit they run out. I have suspicious to site like that, which some pict company profile dubious and other doubting pict. Although they offering normal rate it's not rule out possibility in the end turn into scam, dig deeper to they company profile is most important thing.

It is impossible to know...
i offer for free daily 20000 satoshi...
and so many people believe that winspiral is a scammer...
but they only believe it...
So far it is impossible to know if winspiral will ...a day...be a scammer...and tries to scam you...
Even meself does not know it...(lol)

Basically indeed investment will provide the advantage, but if we can't do something good before or looking for the right investment then it all will not provide us with a good profit. So if we can't find a good place then only the akna also make the power and money that we have. like the example you say it was all one site that will give you a big loss

We will know if a site tries to scam when the ROI( return of investment)
is impossible to follow. Try also to search the site if it has a good
feedback. As much as we wanted to get a big return of investment,
we need indeed a throughly double check it. Also, I suggest dont
invest your money in one basket.

Indeed, we should  really first   make  investigations  on  a certain site  regarding  on its legitimacy  because we dont  like to waste  our  money   on a particular  investment  which are total scams. Eventually you could  directly spotted a  scam site,  if you saw a good    high return  on your  investment for a shorter  period of   time  then  its a sure scam  because  no  investments  would  promise   a decent returns  for  a short  time,  put that  into your head.

You are partly right, its sometimes to expected and also cannot be predicted, some ponzis are done very good these days.
Mostly you can see it already if they are acting strange..

Even not we are going to investigate we just need to do some background checking for a certain site and we can just easily know if site is trusted or not.

For sure if you see that site very suspicious you can just clearly see some feed back of the people who used it first.

Just use your internet properly and you won't get victimized by a scam.

All scam sites have some things in common which is to try and lure people in then steal their hard earned resources and how do they achieve this? Its simple they know everyone wants to earn money without doing practically anything so they promised that to you that you won't do anything then they move further to promise you mouthwatering returns which in most cases even if you work for it you likely might not earn that. So this two put together is a sign of scam and nothing more.,.

yeah these days ponzi even disguised themselves to hide their real scheme and even entitling themselves as a legit website even it's clearly that they're only scamming and they've done it for a purpose to scam people as much as they can,disgusting and ironic but it's real

It's true, they know people are tired to earn few satoshis on faucets and another micro earnings options, so they offer the real big profit to them.
But at this point, I think nobody believes anymore on these offers. Who invests money on it are doing it to try their luck, like in a casino.
They know the site can stop paying any moment, but they want to try their luck, and bring some referrals togheter if possible...

Though it is true that mostly scam websites promise big returns which in a result attracts users who are always wishing to get big returns on no work at all, but still some websites does not do this thing and they still scam people and run away with very valid offers, which is the reason why people are always afraid for investing on websites even with valid payouts.

Here in this forum maybe only newbie they can got also in out side in this forum.. but old users of bitcoin or even few months ago here in our forum they know those scam site.. if you have a brain you can analyse it first because there is no free in the internet why they are giving free profit just to invest and make profit in few days? it is obvious that those site are offering good roi just to attract more people to invest and scam in few days . or they are attracting more people to invest and give some proof of withdrawal and pay but in few weeks if they are get their goal they will run..

But I believe these are only applicable to the new sites and especially which are investments based like HYIP programs or pyramid kind of schemes. But, I feel it would be too hard to identify a well running business which may turn into scam by their business collapse or due to change in policy.

Even if we are unable to identify a potential scam, we must always act responsible by not risking big like withdrawing partial amounts time to time.

That is what i feel too, because it is obviously detectable when a site comes newly to the market having big payrates and great returns as all hyips and ponzi schemes of past did or are already doing, but some websites does not offer such great returns but still they turn scam after some time, so identifying a scam like that is a great challenge really.

It is very very funny...
I'm not new on the market (till over 20 years)
I do promise low payrates(and only if I have them already)
I have never scammed

And above all I am taken for a scammer.

This shows us that scam has till nice days before it...because people know nothing...
So long people can not see who is honnestNNNthey can not see who is scammer.
People prefer a "perhaps 100 satoshi" than a "sure 400 satoshi from winspiral because the prefer nice scammer sites and not "horribly designed wonspiral's sites...
So is life...(lol)
But so is fun...

lmao . it is ridiculous that even winspiral himself don't know he's going to scam some people . by the way I agree with you , it seems too impossible to know if a certain website or a person is going to commit a scam . as a matter of fact in some online game i have been through in some transaction which we are trading a stuff into a game credit and they are skeptic , thinking that i am going to run their credit so they decided to call a GM just to make him a middleman . meaning to say that it is really hard to trust even in a well known person .

Nope some other site has indicators if they try to scam people and mostly they are existing on hyip sites where are giving huge return back of profits if you invest some huge money, and if you fall for that promotion well you'll be sorry and surely will cry since they will not last for long if that indicator i mean will occur, just be more vigilant and signs where actually floating if they are on scam mode.

It is not always true man, some websites don't even leave any clue or any sign of scam but they still scam some people in the middle which makes them suspicious later on and they know if people stop investing with them they will be broke so they just run away before that happens, such scams have also been seen in past.

Why is the probability very low that I run away with all your money you have pending in my U2 system?
Because you have only 0.05 BTC pending and if I run away I will lose more...(lol)
And so long I keep up payouting following the payout rules,I believe my members will trust my system.

My system is so genious (lol) that noboddy risks much if I scam members...
Most of my members are winners even if i run away...and the other ones will just lose few satoshi.

But honestly...why should I run away with 0.05BTC...after over 20 years honest service(helping people earning on the net)

Well, it is very easy to know that it wants a fool you. Well, initially they offered promo very makes you want to try, and even with minimal investments they offer, you can make a very big advantage. Well, so many things that do not make sense that they are promoting, and all it requires substantial capital. Well, be careful in choosing the site to run your business

Most of the time you can already know it because they are guaranteeing things that can not be made without any doubts.
Its mostly too good to be true..

Generally its a scam if they ask money. So if that is going on, you should be suspicious enough to see its a scam. you can then imagine them with a bag of money laughing while hysterically running away going to mexico.

I could have Imagined if you said most of your members are winners.
And in my mind it was opposite with your results. They were lost his money.

20 years, and you might have become a big liar.

Though you are right that most of the times those scam sites tell you themselves by offering things which are completely out of our minds which means they are too good to be true, but sometimes even the sites without such things run away with the money of people, that is what makes us suspicious about every second site we see these days.

I do not see why you say winspiral is a liar...what have I said wrong?
So far "zero" person has lost by winspiral...some have so far not earned yet...but never lost because it is by principle not possible.
I propose you a deal...try to lose and I send you 3 times so much you lost.
Be warned...it's impossible.

when I said "lost few satoshi" in previous post...it means "lost earned satoshi" because you can not lose your own satoshi,only earned satoshi earned from winspiral.

Basically it is indeed to know the site do scam is hard to tell the difference, because sometimes there are scam sites that are looking for a pattern of a fairly massive advertising, so sometimes we get screwed or in circumvention by the way they conduct the introduction or advertisement. And usually they are scam sites that give you an advantage or a facility outside of what we spend, keep trusting proven sites rather than sites that have not been proven and established since long

Well there is many obvious signs of the scam sites, for example they ask for money without offering real service , or they haven't real local or exact address or phone number

Even you had already scan the site, they are scam if they not pay you. I have an experience about the that.
The site has full protection, the site has 50,000 members, the I join because of that. I earned money
but because I'm a beginner I invest all my money so that after a few days the site is gone.

I think those methods don't need to do when you are getting into hyip or cloud mining site.. be wise and smart.
Because there is no site are giving free money just to invest. and always check their reviews from reputative members or old members here .. that can help you to have idea if the site is scam or not.. if there is proof of payment we can not be still consider it as legit  because they know giving proof is one of the best way for attractive people to deal or invest its a marketing strategy,,
If they are offering free money just for wait for few days it can be scam or best way better to ask and make threads here about the site so that we can know if they are legit or not..

I recently was browsing through some bitcoin services and I noticed some scammy practices. Some of fraudulent sites I checked had nice "About Us" section.
They posted names and pictures of the their staff and short description. I smelled something fishy is going on there and after brief search I found the pictures of 'their staff' used on other sites as well.
Details, such as position and name were changed of course.

that's definitely stock photos which can be purchased widely in stock website,that's shady practice of scamming people through out taking advantage from the lack of knowledge and the lazyness of people for not having an investigation before investing,just need a smart step to checking it out and you can avoid any of these sites and such kind

You can find many site like this on deep web.I totally shock on how much the deepweb is change for now.There are many link in hidden wiki about totally scamming service that only rob our money.For example the most stupid but many people fall for it is btc doubler.Just think logic how can they double our bitcoin in short of time ? At here we already know that this site is totally scamming.

Almost all websites with high and fast return promises are scams. Before anything else try to know what the site produces, to know where the profit comes from. That is, if there really is something being produced...

Well done, if people took the time to research and analyze the websites where they are going to invest then we will see less scams but they get blinded by greed

That is not just by taking time but it is a responsibility of an investor to check every websites history and everything about it. Because that is an easy thing to find out when a site tries to scam you. When you can see that they have a ponzi scheme and obviously asking you to invest just to get some percentage profit in return without giving you some products then that's scam.

Also you can check the site on https://who.is/ (https://who.is/) to check the name of the owner, if it was disabled, just don't invest...
If you can check the name of the owner, you can find more info about the guy however it don't will tell to you if he's trying to scam your or not.

People mostly become lazy when it comes on research because they feel it is wasting the time while they don't think of the loss they might pick up if they invest without any research, they just give a small briefing to the site and start satisfying themselves that it deserves the investment and they do it, it is another thing that they regret their decisions later on.

I don't think the fact a name does not appear in such a website changes a lot since you can pay a small fee when you register your domain to keep your information private instead you should look for the business name in the country in which is supposed to be incorporated and do a search there.

The main indication of the site before scam is to increase its bonus , profit payout and speed earning of user , such types of attractive offers are gives by the site to make huge Profit and then ran away with own profit .
So we can determine easily wether a particular site is looking to ran away with scamming the user .

You're right , but still some another indications also in these scamming site we can see .
There plan are of for lifetime credit .
The site trying to show slow browsing .
thes type of quality directly indicating the life of site which is very near to ran away from online scam .

yes mate those indication will help us to review more about the site if those are present better to keep away from it to avoid big loses
i seen that you can always rely on your own research since it is your money involved from it.

If we  like to invest  our  money  on a particular site we should  really  do make some  investigation first  before making  next action. If you do value   your  money  you  would surely do that because  you dont  like  to lose  your  money  but there are really some circumtances  that  we do  fall on some  scams  because  of  some  informations that  may convince  us  but  they are  just total  lies on the first place.

The best thing to know if site tries to hack you is that, they would offer higher commision in investing and referral. Usually, some scam sites are those whom will offer you a profit that did not require you to work or do dome efforts. Also, in deciding which site is legit, check their legal information and the forrum about them. Lastly, Never put a big money on the site that you used at first time. Hope it helps.

Those circumstances occur because of lake of knowledge, if we have knowledge about them we would never fall for their fake promises, but just because at first we think that earning bitcoins is easy that is why we think that investing with them wont cost us anything.

If you see websites promising things like 100%, 150% per year, there are strong indications that it is scam. Even the most efficient companies in the world can not provide even half of that for investors, unless they are some kind of ponzi scheme.

How can you know that the scammer is on your way?
First thing you should do is, once he or she gave you website where he or she is working, make some research, their vouches their system, scan it deeply if the site have a virus then check it with the malware. Do not be greedy when you see high commission in front of your screen because if there is high commission there is high possibility of scamming. Check the security of the site. Do not ever believe that the site is in the long run and successful, as like thy are posting in their pages, remember it can be edited by the page developer or administrator.
Lastly… repeat everything and think so many time think logically 

You look like a genius, many time should think with logically, because many sites are here but we can judge about them, is it scam or not. But in my view, if any sites give you high profit and we have no any information about them, than definitely, it is scamming, and also see the profile.
   

Lack of information, unrealistic gains too good to be truth are pretty much best indicators someone want to scam you. Something "important" to download from site is another sign. Do some researches before deposit anything anywhere.

What i do about sites that are likely scam maybe when it is requesting for money or confidential details is
Find how long the site has been existing, most especially site not up to 2 years can be make one vulnerable.
Type such site name into search engine + scam. if the site has any history of scam the search engine could reveal it.
Website with links from USA and Britain with stricter law of online scam are likely to be safer but some site from African countries, Asian and some eastern europe with relaxed law on online transaction can be dangerous

That whois service is not even reliable but I guess many trusted sites are even hiding their real identity. So I doubt that this way can be a good factor for knowing if a site is a scam or not. Because there are scam sites also that are not hiding their identity so if we will relay with that factor that can be a hard way to find it out.

Never heard of anyone getting scammed or his bitcoins getting stolen for downloading some staff from a site but yeah, it might happen that they give you a keylogger and then they hack into your wallet and steal your bitcoins but it does not happen often, but as you said lack of information is mostly the reason why people get scammed.

in this world if sounds to good to be true it properly is as there is nothing in this world that is free that is worth owning.
if there offer something that sounds to get to be true it will  be
use google use your brain and hopeful you wan et scammed

It happens all the time. Just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen a lot, every single day. People on this forum always want you to add them to Skype so they can send something to you and they'll have access to your computer (and your private keys).

you can only know once you have been scammed...or other ones have...
And it is not the warnings which will help here because noboddy can know it before someone is scammed.

Thats why you should not be open for skype chat if those people who offered you some service or invesment is not trusted well im this furom nor in outside of it, we should be carefull since there are so many lazy acts on here and better to be vigilant so we dont be sorry if they will hit us, scammers are making inovative ways to deprived us and its our obligation to safeguard our money.



Actually their is a certain indicator if the site well going to scam their investors and those are big promose and to good to be true give backs if they put up some huge invest at their site and it is proven that is their front and turn scam when investors bait that.

Also main factor is website's location, you can view reviews about that website and about that company which is behind that website. Another mainc factor is, what website is offering us. If offer is something similar of unbelievable deals, than don't risk your money because this types of websites are mostly scam. This is whole pschycology.

Excellent!!!
I'm taken for an horrible scammer dark red trusted(lol) and the red trusters were even not able to see that i'm on the net for already many many many years...
I have never scammed and suddently...after over 20 years...for few satoshi take the decision to scam people from this forum...too much funny...

I think the best moment in which you know that you've been lied by someone is when something too good to be true is being promised to you. For example, a cloud mining website promises ultra high profits in an extremely short time compared to mining with your own mining rigs. Such websites are often scams because nobody would like to offer you such things without profiting off it too.

So you believe that because I offer without profit for my self...I'm a scammer?
My profit is the fun offering you something...
My fun is certainly more worth that the 20000 satoshi I daily offer...

Just look at your trust many gave you a red trust. Stop promoting your scam investment scheme and stop encouraging people to use your system because does trust rating given by DT2 users to you are enough already to say that your a scammer and encouraging people to give you money instead of living alone and legally, you are just begging people for money.

You are not only a full member but as well a full wrong  full member.

I do not encourage people to use my system...I just talk about if something wrong is said about systems.
And you are wrong twice because I do not beg for money...I offer money...it is not the same...it's even just the opposite.
You are wrong because you talk about something you do not know...

Most commonly scam sites are those who offers a huge advantage to a person whose interested to invest money on them. Usually in scam site, you could see that the number of members in their site is low. Also, if they aren't active or doesn't known in a forum, then that site could be  scam.

That is truly the common site doings and it indicates that they will run off, giving such huge profits is totally shaddy and if site will suddenly drop that promo well it is the precious time for us to run so we will not became their victims and also we need to leave the hyip investments since there are no true business behind them and it is been build up to scam people and never ever can give us good profits in return.

Yeah, it's basically to know a scam sites are those that are too big to provide a profit and also those who provide a facility which if counted much larger. It's all one of the things that ought to be on the suspect and sought more information, other things are those which give an advantage to the standard but have a thing that's not clear origin they get an advantage in the investment

Promising high returns which truly indicates a scam because no investments on this planet will give you that  kind of offer which means those sites are jsut showing off good rates on most cases newbie do fall for this kind of investments because they dont have  knowledge with this kind of sites but for those who are experienced enough they are already aware and dont tend to invest anymore on this  sites.

Unrealistic gains are one of the easiest factors to see on a scam website. Simply use a compound interest calculator to realize that many websites out there are offering profits that are the dream of any investor, but that in the end can become a big nightmare.

Yes those factors are the best way to know if a site tries to scam you. And also know where they are getting their profit.

So if the profit they will give you comes from the people who will also scam them, then that's a very suspicious move.

Just stay away from them and that will surely give you an headache.

Just always remember the saying "if it's too good to be true, then it probably is" and more often than not you won't fall for any scams.

But in my opinion too, a well planned scam are usually could be identified before we are using their services and we could avoid them completely.
But when a very good services turning into scam, most of the people do fail to smell them. If it accidentally becomes scam like due to any unexpected hacking or any other reason, then we do not have any other go other than suffering.

So this  means all investments do have risk on losing your money even if you use the most reputable website or services chances of lossing money is still there. The difference between a reputable and a scam they usually last on a short period of time only and it depends on the knowledge on a certain person because if you are already experienced enough you could able to tell directly which is a scam or not but for those total newbies then chances of being scammed is high.

I usually have sure about when the website is going to turn into a scam or when it is, when the admin makes insane promotions, as well when they start asking for money for their projects, in the general if someone contact me just because i had invested 0,05btc or above ammounts i just moove out my coins. The last time i had invested 1 bitcoin, the admin went off for 1 week the result were i had withdraw all my investement, and some days after the website becamed scam, i had look that admin made my withdraw, i had lost on those something like 0,50 btc earnings, but i had roi.

I agree, I think that is just the best argument and rule you can use its simply and easy to explain and mostly right 9 of the 10 times.

Dude ive been here long enough to know that shit a mile away. I will not lie I have been scammed out of a total of about $250 but I was new and the site was really well done also I made a moronic mistake of sending my funds to a scam site thinking I won't invest it all only a bit and send the rest back. Lol obviously we all know what happened next. I could not draw it didn't even appear opin my account and I realize how stupid I was. The thing is I had just come back from making transactions at a legit site. So I had trust mode on. So I lesrnt to never go from a legit site to a shady or even slightly suspicuos site since you might forget they a scam and despite by mistake.

Anyway I kind feel like I'm a professional bs finder now lol. But really it is not so hard. Most struggle with their gut but trust your gut its almost always right but its not easy to trust your gut I too am victim to that. Just use your head. MM is a scam bs ponzi wrapped up in whatever bs lies and chocolate candy ass frosting. Looks good but bite in and you break your damn teeth.

early scam site
1 delay payment
2 much reason is delay payment
3 site is maintanance, and high frequence

Yes,that is already alarming when they are always delayed or in maintenace until the site disappears or can not be accessed anmore. Others are offering  promises that too much to believe or outrageous interest. Beware of those HYIP.

it is why I try to hold payout rules high within the delay I have promised and for the people in a hurry...they can even ask for an earlier payout.

we all know that its difficult to spot a scammer because they are very cunning.But we can take some steps to find scammers.

1.Most of the scammer will commit you to high returns for little invest.
2. They will ask for my personal information.My home address,phone number,fb account etc.
3.They will pressure me to take decision quickly or respond them fast.
4.legitimate organization wont make grammatical mistakes or rarely they do.But scammer will make this every time.
5.when i will asked some serious question they will stop me or tell me to be quite.

I think these are the reason how can i spot a scammer.   

Yes this is very true sign of scammers. Number 1 is the most obviuos act of an scammer. Offering you a very good and very high profits in your investment and They will make it scam. HYIP is one of them

Number once means nothing...
I promise nothing and although I'm taken for a scamer...

Scammers had improved since last years, the most business were working with paypal, that were one easy way to know when the site would turn into scam on the short time, and the most people didnt invest at those, nowadays projects are being made with bitcoin. At crypto its hard to know when the website will scam you, but usually some of this happens: delays at payment, admin stay away when he were online all days even for short period, the support dont reply, another amazing plan for you reinvest.

Most of the websites trying to scam people, are websites that promise unrealistic gains, promising high returns in a few months, or even weeks. It is necessary to be attentive to the reports, because if the site is not legit, probably someone already had problems with this. You simply need to research to avoid headache.

The key word to this is "you go first". Scam sites usually offer you unrealistic plans but you have to deposit first. It all goes like that, before you can ever withdraw your earnings, you have to deposit some money first because of this and that. They have different reasons and different ways to persuade you.

On the brighter side, it's actually kind of easy to avoid websites like these. Just stick with one trusted website and that's it. Once you found a paying website, then no need to waste your time researching for another one. But not unless if you want to add another source of income, of course. Before you even click the link to their website, search first if they're legit. A lot of people have already found it before you did and have posted feedback about it in some forum on the internet.

I could not refer to your quote "Most of the websites are trying to scam people", how did you get to this conclusion?
Developing and running a website is not that cheap, so most of the sites were made once a person thought that the idea of this website could be a game changer and could make a profit from it.
but I do agree with you that most of the websites on the deepweb are a scam, as you can not track anything there so it is much easier to make a scam without having people tracing you.

Your trust feedback will answer you for being taken as a scammer. And look at your signature about your system.
Where in Earth you could find an investment that doesn't need a capital? This is surely an act of scammer either and the next part, you are saying that in your investment it is impossible to lose? Oh, Come on.

Try to lose...you will soon see that it is impossible.
People here say wrong things...and then disapear.

The capital was needed (need?) at the start...
Now it is the site itself who makes profit and a big part of this profit is shared by the members who are a kind of owners of the site.
My system is economically solid and market regulated.
During the time I explain you about the U2 system,my members have certainly earned something...even if they sleep.

Visitors of my U2 site if they take a little time to understand see that it is possible to earn something...
Two solutions:
1)...they go away and let the earning to other people...
2)...they claim,trade,re-invest...(re-investment is only possible with earning)

Believe me...with minimum  20000 satoshi daily shared,it is impossible that the site has no users...
Imagine you are alone...you will after a time get all profit of the U2 site.
But do not dream...you will never be alone and none will be alone because everything market regulated can not be alone...
The market is always the strongst.

When the site offer for a claim in average 500 satoshi or so:
It could happen that people are not interested...but as said,if noboddy is interested,the claim reward increases...increases...INCREASES so much...perhaps...2000 or 5000 or 100000 and then...believe me people will claim.

My system is now paying for over 1 year...
and one can charge winspiral with 100 red trusts...the market will be the trongst...people will keep up using the U2 and be paid.

Obviously, if a site is really intending to scam people then they would probably have scammed someone before you, so all you should do is to do a small research about the site and you will come to know about its reality.

Well, the scam sites are always trying to make you interested in the sites they have. they will give you a big bonus in the beginning so that you believe that the site is true. if you're already invested a lot of money into the site, they will start to disappear and give reasons that make no sense, such as a hack or program errors. Well, I've a few times to feel it, and it has always been a bad experience in the business world

There are certain flags that can be considered if you want to spot a scam site. Most of them will try to use a domain name similar to a popular brand.  The contact info is not available instead it will make you fill up a form.    If they are offering items and do shipping, you can check their shipping terms, if there is non, then better have caution.

Such websites has paid places, and you will end joining something that its already scam, those owners in the general doesnt care if you will loose money as long they able to make money. I do believe those should be allowed and being exposed into some place with the text above: paid space, where anyone can rent being scam or not, always make your own research.  Its getting harder to predict scam from potencial scammer, they are improving and follow sugestions to keep out of radar, and then they run away.

In past i have been a victim in some sites and lost some bitcoins and i think that was only my carelessness as its not very difficult to know that the site is scam or not.The best place is this forum first of all and when google is there why worry.I just search for review there and i get my answer.
If there are not many reviews for that site,then i used to wait more before using that.

Well I think you can also try to use their contact support.  If there is no response or some automated voice, or no one answers the phone or cannot be reach, then more probably that site is a scam  this is just some pointer but it is not 100% guarantee. 
Actually scam sites are quit clever this day, they surely know how to put up a professional looking site, a perfect grammar sentences and sometimes they hire a personnel to answer the query just to make them look legit.  They may even show you documents of registration.  Better check them for possible fraud.

Scammers are already clever nowadays and you are right they will surely patch up all the possible holes that might some users do make an investigation on their legitimacy and when they convince such person then its not really hard for them to scam people.If you are a sensible person regarding on your money you will always find or seek holes regarding on a certain investment.

You can never know in advance.
Even if you are 500% sure that the site will collapse soon or late...you can not know if you are the one who will be scammed.

You will parhaps be the "paid" to attract other people.

It is why many sure scam sites have succes because sometimes they do not scam at the start...

I have more experience that all my red trusters...(lol)
So far I have always found people who have trust me and have send me cash...
It is so easy to scam people and red trust is useless because when red trusters come...it is already to late.
And red trusters are so often wrong that they have lost credibility.

Look me red trusters...they are even not able to admit that they were wrong...

Just use your brain. If its too easy or good to be true then it clearly is and the only one its easy and true for is the scanner himself. So sure he can make money since he will steal from you. Always do research and its very easy to spot a scam I mean come on. Why do people trust sites and people with no history or background plan or future plans or explanation to where the funds or products come from.

Indeed basically scammer appears because it is still so many people who just think of the results without looking at something does not make sense in the system they do or use to investment. all of this which is most serious for improved and eradicated, because this will only damage the next generation and finally this country into a country that is not peaceful any longer because of the many distractions abroad

Those people who put you red trust are even more reliable to believe than your statement that your system is not a scam.

Just read what you are saying if you know what you want to promote here in forum and that is not a scam then they will remove it to you.

And really it is easy to scam people? Because you have a lot of experience with it already?

My red trust points is absolutly not a problem for me...
it's a problem for my members and for potential future members.
Why?
Because the red trust points my site make (perhaps) less profit.
If less profit then less profit for my members (not for me)
If less members...means that less  members profit from my site.

Yes...I have enough experience and I could easily scam people...
But if so,I would not keep my same nickname for over 20 years...(lol)

I offer at least daily 20000 satoshi...people are free to share them...
if they prefer claim on classic faucets less then 400 satoshi it is their choice...i can not force people to earn satoshi by winspiral even if it is better than with most of faucets...
My system is a kind of poker freeroll ...daily minimum 20000 satoshi are offered...play who want playing.

Perhaps all people will admit that winspiral was not a scammer in 20 years...
but i'm now an old boy (lol) and i do not know if in 20 years i will till live...(it's even hard to know about tomorrow...)

It is not the red trust faults for your site for having lesser profit, it is your fault because they are just helping those people who can be your potential victims to avoid your investment scam.

So you are admitting that you are a scammer and you have experience for it and that makes you a scam people easily but that is not going to be an easy thing for you now because you have red trust.

And of course if you are having lesser profit then you are the only one that will benefit to it, don't hide for saying that your members will have less profit.

Of course your scheme is to get more victims and once they invested that's the profit you will pay for those earlier investors.

I just can say that it is too good to be true.

when the offer seems too good

or they promise too much and too easy returns

also check what people said about them around

You can say what you want...this does not mean you are right...you forget that one can not invest with my system how can I  pay investors from investors if it is not possible to invest?
you see you are wrong like all my red trusters.

Yeah and we should be aware upon seeing those sites are offering good deal enough and you think the favor is in yours. Also, do some background checking if they have a very strong foundation of the source of the profit of their company. If they don't have then doubt it already because if so, they are just getting their profit from the deposits of their investors.

Don't make those people who wants to get some decent profit encouraged and convinced with all of your explanation about your scam investment.

How can you pay your investors? That's why you are keep on operating your investment scheme and asking for people to invest.

Because your system doesn't have strong way where it is really getting its profit  but no other than from your investors.

And don't say that I'm wrong like those DT who did flagged you, is it wrong to warn people about your scamming tactics?

Yes businesses with the improper source of income generation, must be doing ponzi business model and they will most probably will scam in very near future. Background checking is more important before and after investing into a site. We need to keep on monitoring their business activities so that we can predict they will scam or not.

Sorry you are wrong...

Where can you see scam tactics if there is no scam...you are not only wrong you are as well funny.

I offer satoshi at my members (the satoshi come from my sites income)
The members have the possibility to take the satoshi or to re-invest a part in the system.
Only a part because the member has to accept payout (lol)

When I say it is impossible to lose it is impossible to lose (lol)
Many people ask me to invest more...
Unfortunately it is not possible(it was possible only at the start)

The scam is the easiest way to be done by all, even for those who do not have skills in fraud. But the scam requires some supporters to be able to launch all of the plan or the primary goal that is deceiving many people to get money. And the easiest way to do is with the Ponzi system or hyip or cloud mining. All of this has been done by everyone and most systems do indeed use between those systems. So I think it all just depends how they repackaged or hide the system so that it is not suspected

@ Yutikas_11920

And what has your saying to see with this post and my system?

Surely they are scams and also add that if their promising you hourly rate or whatsoever interest they will give you back after depositing.

That's their very script, that 'hourly rate interest' when you have read that word, then ignore those sites and don't waste your time to invest with them.

And even don't get curious with them anymore just stay away from them.

Well its too obvious to those sites that are trying to scam you, if the offer is too good to be true, that you can earn with a huge amount in just a few couple of time. And before risking any money from your wallet try to search in google ('the site's name' review) and read all the reviews there with different people so you can know if this sites are legit.

Checking feedbacks to a particular investments isnt always works and some of those feedbacks are from fake people which you will really need to investigate more and as you said checking sites status/name and you should really seek for the legit reviews and not to those fake ones because if you just let those positive feedbacks of fake people then you will surely got hooked into it.

I know there have been a lot of scamming websites before but not all websites scam with this method.
You can have the funds and if you have huge enough funds you can keep some on the bank to pay people when needed and rest could be in fiat savings account getting bigger. Like insurance companies.

I can see already on you the scam and just read your signature and it can show already that it is your tactic to scam people.

Where on Earth you can find this type of investment?
Really impossible to lose? Even whales are losing their investments either because there is no assurance that you'll get profit.

All types of investments does have their own flaws and failure and you promise this? Oh come on, boy.

But that's not a way to know if the site tries to scam us and to be clarified there are a lot of ways to know that a site is scam.

My opinion is just one of the many of it and if there is no service in return of your deposited bitcoins but the interest and profit they are saying then don't trust it.

That's another tactic of scamming sites.

Please clarify on what you are sayin here since your thoughs are not cleared annd its no undestandable, but as for experience we can really determine on when the site whike try to scam us when they are giving some signs of withdrawal delaying,site turns down and says for mentainance and last big return back of investments, and that should be the red flag for all investor so they can flee before they will get scam by certain scam sites.

It's not a promise...it's a fact.
I propose you to try...
if you lose you are right...
if you lose i'm wrong...

I have proved for over 1 year that I'm right...
Prove us that I'm wrong.

If I say it is impossible it means that it is impossible.
You can only lose a part of what you have earned from winspiral:
This means that you have a part you can not lose.
No high school needed to understand this...you need just time to understand the system.

Thanks for the "come on, boy"...I could perhaps be your father or grandfather (lol)

You should really be wary about this kind of event since its the indication of a certain investment or website would really tend to become scam thats why its considered as a go signal to withdraw all of your money that you did invest but its not always the case since most site will shut directly without any signs or notice.

Make sure there are there real people behind it - do some investigation about the team; check out their facebook pages and other social media presence - Google is your best friend.

not always that you can heard or seen the signal it is better to stop investing in some sitesor deal to someone not actually trusted..  you can not know the signal easily but staying away will be the good idea to just to prevent to experience to be scam..
Many scammers that you can found online and i think it is not a good idea if you invest if you are seen or attract from the offer they are giving..

the only thing that i can say it is inot easy to know if they are legit or not.. if they are newbie just always keep in mind to use escrow so that you are far in scam users.. and for out side deals if you are going to deal to some one or a site you ahve no guarantee to get your money back unless if you are using paypal because it has charge back or reverse payment once they are scammers.

Of course there are real people behind it. Who designed, created, and thought of making a scam site? Of course a real person and not some machine or bot. It's really easy to create thousands of fake profiles and pretend as if you're that person. You can simply grab anyone's profile nowadays. Almost everyone on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram have their profiles in public. It's easy to pretend that you're that someone. So I don't think that looking for a "real" person behind a website would help at all. If it's a scam, then it's a scam regardless of who is behind that website.

Better to call you boy rather than to be my father or grand father because that is going to be a shame for me as well.

And am I reading it right? Do you say that investing with your system that says impossible to lose is a fact? Do you even know what you are saying?

I won't even waste my time for trying out your scamming scheme and I don't want to add to the list of those people who you scammed.

@senyorito123 I'm saying that the tactics of scamming sites is like this, when you invested or deposited to their address.

But there is nothing in exchange or in return like some service or products and they are promising you some good interest rate.

Then that's sounds fishy already, why you would invest or deposit to them without getting something in return, just like pyramiding of people.

Well, it is pretty easy to read some comments about the site over the internet.
If it is a gambling site, then you have askgamblers.com for this job.
Also keep in your mind that there are no random gifts, if a site offers you a deal that you are sure that they lose money from it, then don't take it unless you have some knowledge that the site is completely legit.

The list of  people I scammed?
So far the list is empty...

But you can call me boy...even old boy...because it is so...(lol)

You can say
I believe that winspiral is a horrible scammer...ok
But please do not say:
winspiral is a scammer...because winspiral never scammed and will never do.

Thank you! I learned something today too. This time about an additional source to check gambling sites.

As for other site types and gifts, some legit sites gave real crypto to newcomers as part of their campaigns. I know an exchange site who was doing it and was honest about it. If I avoided the site, I would not have benefited from their gift. That's why I am not sure about this suggestion about "free gifts". Some sites really give gifts for free just to become more popular among people. I wouldn't consider that a bad omen.

You just need to do some research before doing anything at a site. Check the site if it has some malware, search their company name and ask felow Botcoiners if they used the site or do they think that the site is legit or a scam. Investment sites are mostky scams, so I would not even try to use them at all.

Making some research before you invest is really a good step so that you wont be easily scammed by a certain investments.If you saw that the rates or returns of investment are too good to be true then you should think first because these kind of sites are actually scams and just keep promising good words to their potential investors so that they could invest on the site.

When the site always down,doing maintenance evryday thats the time its starting to take away all the investors money.until site will be permanent closed and cannot reached

So old boy, as of now your list is empty? Because the people are not even falling into the trap of your "impossible to lose" scheme.

So you want to say that for real? That winspiral is truly a horrible scammer of the people who are not yet warned about your tactics?

Don't make me laugh that you will never do scam people because it is your practice already to make profit from scamming people.

If you analyse my U2 system...you can see that I'm right..."impossible to lose"
Try to lose and discover from yourself that it is impossible.
I suppose you are honest because I do not have  proof you are dishonest...
Please do not accuse me without proof...

Search on  the web about the site you are joining,ask those who are already on that site for feedbacks.if you perform this two im pretty sure you will not get scammed by any hyip ,ponzi site.

Again I say, I won't waste my time checking your u2 system and everything about that winspiral investment scam.

And there is no such word that an investment is impossible to lose, even big companies have their ups and down, but with yours? Very funny.

I don't have proof but those people who flagged your trust will proved everything about it.

""I don't have proof but those people who flagged your trust will proved everything about it.""
you are right:
Those people have argument with"horrible design and poor English"
Nice proves...(lol)
The specificity of my system is that it is different with big companies because the profit is zero or more...never in negative.
Sorry if you can not understand this...
What i promise is hold:
Nowadays I say profit is minimum (in average) 20000 satoshi because it is so...it is not a promise.
Average daily profit since the start is 30000 satoshi or so...
Is paying people scam? (lol)

If I say it is impossible to lose it is because it is impossible to lose.

But unfortunately a HYIP or ponzi will not last for long time so that some people may not have a track of site you might be looking for. How your friend will be helping you when you are going to join a brand new HYIP site. So, analyzing by ourselves must be the only possible way to protect ourselves from many future scams.

Yes, the most effective way to know if that is a scam is always search on the web the background of that site you going to join.
I guess it must be a must if you really joining into something new, know their backgrounds, the feedbacks so you will be noticed.

One way of those scammers try to scam you through getting your personal informations from you particulary your primary e-mail. These scammers dig up you more infos even personal questions even your birthday and anniversaries. They are more agressive in getting your details and try many tricks to get you attached to them and that you should be aware of.

Yeah it does one of the things that can be done by the scammer, because they can easily to find out things about your life or your confidential data with just building your own email or other account. Because all the data we use to register in the social media service or more will inevitably be seen by everyone. And usually the data that will be targets for scams.so if we want to secure confidential data then you need to be careful in giving information you have to social media, or you can use the name or the data yourself formally or not actually so that your data is protected

In the past Hyip had a sequence, that were the first members will be able to roi, since they will promote the website to others, that will invest, soo in the medium short time the admin stop paying, lets say 2-5 months, since some last even more, but nowadays they stop paying 3 weeks or 10 days after they get a lot investment, soo there is no way to prevent this kind of scam. People still get the ilusion of fast money without have to do anything. To protect your coins just avoid those ponzis, invest at trading, sport gambling or any other thing.

Then my U2 system with over 13 months run time  should be trustable (lol)

Even you are longer run your HYIP site we will still not trusting you since you already have 8 negative trust as a proof that you are one of them do you think you can stay more long it is impossible there is no free in the internet everything needs to work hard in order to earn good amount.

That's why most sites require you to use a combination of characters, a number, and an alphanumeric character. Back then, people would just use their name as a password or if they're feeling creative, they will use their name but in a backward manner. Some use numbers as well but it's just the date of their date or someone related to them. If a hacker would bruteforce someone that has a password like that, it wouldn't take that much for him to get into the account.

There's also the secret question back then which is quite easy to hack. You just have to know the personal details of the person that you want to hack (i.e. mother's maiden name, first school that have been to, etc.) It's not that hard to get all those details by just talking to the guy either personally or online.

Thanks,
So long you are talking about Hyips you are not talking about my U2 system where it is impossible to lose.

Honestly i do not understand about your site if it is actually a site or not?.. if you can notice the front page the description you are given is unprofessional and also the design is unprofessional ..
For me if you are starting a business online you should spend a lot of money for design because it is more attractive to people if your site looks professinals that is why they are not trusting you because of it.. honestly after i read them i do not understand what is whole about.. so i can say it is a cloud mining that asking to visit your site just to have a visitors or you are just getting shares from someone and run soon.. 

many people have perfectly understood the system and share daily over 20000 satoshi
it's not my buziness.
it's just my fun...my fun to iffer daily over 20000 satoshi at the shareholders of the U2 system.
I agree:The one who have taken the time to understand better...manage better and earn more.

They are not arguing with horrible design and poor English, but they are flagging you red trust for promoting scam investment that is impossible to lose.

Don't tell me that your system is impossible to lose because is no such investment which is impossible to lose.

Even those trusted ones are losing some of their investments and how about yours? Your one of the kind who says that just to get some victims.

Why do you persist in your error?
We can see that since over 1 year it is impossible to lose with winspiral's u2 system.
Explain me how it could be possible.

Every thing is for free and you can only "risk" a part of your earning.
The result is that so you can only earn.
if you do not understand this I can not help you...and i understand that you are the same kind of person than my red trusters who like you have not understood...
Fortunately my members have understood that it is impossible to lose but only earning.

Perhaps some members have not undertood as well...but they see it...(lol)

My members are not victims...if sharing daily over 20000 satoshi for free is be a victim...then my members are mazochists (lol)

Mostly you can already see signs on the website, weird layout, no reviews, weird payment methods and also in the most cases no details about the company/addresses.

And you have said that already, that we need to risk part of our earnings. And what makes you think that your system is impossible to lose if there is a required risk?

Just stop encouraging people to scam here in forum and to those people who are getting attracted to this winspiral u2 system.

Dump his site for he is not going to do good with your investments, this is just a total scam.

You are the one that doesn't understand what you are saying, if you think that I'm the same with those DT then that's simply I just can see that your site is really a scam.

What is your interest  missleading people?
In every trade game is a risk.
The risk with the U2 system is to earn less because it is impossible to lose.
If you can not understand the difference between earning less and earning more i can not help you.
if i say impossible to lose it is why it is so.
Among the 300 members or so...you can not find 1 loser.

You can say my u2 system is total scam...
But please let me say that you are wrong and you do not  help people here who are searching systems where you have fun and where you can never lose.

All of this can be faked.

Layout - People have been selling good looking website design for hyip sites nowadays. Well, people will make money out of anything, so why not create a template for a hyip site and then look for a scammer to buy one from you.

Reviews - It's easy to create an account somewhere and then give good feedback regarding your website.

Weird payment methods - Weird in what way? I've only seen hyip sites using paypal, bitcoins, perfectmoney, and all the other popular payment sites.

No details about the company/address - Why would you even put your address on the internet? Hyip sites usually just invent some address, just to make their site more legit. And maybe include some photos (even if they were just downloaded from google) just to add some details to attract investors.

The support starts making mistakes when replying the tickets or even sending just a random template that they carried out before.
After this you may see some delay, or sometimes the website gets down just to look as 'normal'.

Ussually  made a High Offer likes Payout 150%. it is kind of HYIP. nah everybody knew that, but you know people keep Registered even they knew Potential Scam is High,just because we Need Money Fast! and love Easy way  ;D.

all trusted site or non-trusted site just likes 50/50 but sure Trusted site more valuables (but in next days who know if it can be SCAMMED it) my point is, never trust all your money into the site, either investment or else. better keep the money in saving bank.

Once a cloudmining start scamming their users is that they closed their actual office (or maybe changed their office) or declare retirement.
They shut down their phone numbers (if any) and so on they shut down the hosting and with them the email support and there is no way to contact them ever.

That is just likes one of the trick to scammed people. we can say in 1000 user or more, who had been paid? maybe just 30% More? or maybe less?.. then the Founder/owner site found a new strategies to made in trusted, but the end of the show "sorry this site in maintenances for few days..blablabla "just an examples.

To be trusted is Worthy - being trusted for many years and sudenlly got betrayed!..is really Hurt :-\ . that is the lesson for us. This is a Wild World,,  had one crazy Quote from Unknown " even Your MOM..never Give All your Money to her!  ;D ".

So, don't say that your scam investment has a feature that has impossible to lose that's what I'm pointing out because it came from you that there is a risk.

As a matter of fact, I'm helping people here who are searching out those scam sites and you are counted for having one.

And you are the one who are not helping people because you promote scam.

It is very easy, when a site promising large payments with an easy difficulty level that it is definitely a scam. an example is a promising investment site RoI is greater than 1% per day it is definitely a scam, don't trust.

If you are looking for a MM for a deal here in the forum we have some high trust users that are willing to offer this service at a low cost.
You can either call minerjones or OgNasty.
If you are dealing outside of bitcointalk then you better read more info and suggestions over the internet regarding the site before sending them your money.

Shame of you...(lol)
yes it is impossible to lose and it is so...sorry.
If you take risk to earn more:
you can earn more or less but you can never lose...because it is impossible for a member to lose.
And my genious system is not a scam...
Have a nice day.

yes usually they will offering 150%-300% for 1 month but unfortunately many people still want instant way how to making money and maybe that's why ponzi sites still alive untill now but for online gambling sites this is slightly difficult to recognize those sites scam or not because they will not offering huge profit and maybe the review for the particular sites will helping

How funny you are calling your system not a scam, I'm having a bad day because of the people like you that don't want to stop your scamming tactics.

What's a shame about me? You must be the one that must be ashamed for you are scamming people boldly.

The people are such make no sense in our mind. But too many the person does not care about money, They will find the immediate profit in a dream. But not in real life.
About the online gambling site, the main problem was in his provably fair.

A shame because you persist missleading people about things you do not know about.
For me nothing is changing...my purpose is programming and managing my system.
So far I have never scammed people and you talk in a way people can believe I have.
I understand you fall in scammer tricks because you can not make the difference about honnest people and scammer,about serious econnomical system and ponzi shemes...
And in your "wrongness" (lol) you misslead people...and you do not feel ashamed?

Then what about an advertising network or affiliate marketing business which are easily achieving more than 2% returns for the membership fee we are paying with them. But only with new business they are paying not just for buying a membership with them. As long as a business has solid concepts then ROI will not be a symptom of scam.

Usually when they rush you into sending this is a sure sign that you are not guaranteed to get anything back from them. >:(

How to come that you are saying, that telling and warning the people about fact and scam investments as you promote is a type of misleading the people?

A scammer promoter will always a scam promoter and he will not admit about his true color of his promotion.

And wait, why should I ashamed to tell people that you are scamming people with your system? You should be.

I have only promote my own sites and I know better then who you want that I have never owned scam sites.

How can you say that I'm a scammer promoter?
Like I said:shame on you.
How can you say that I'm scamming people with my system...
So far my systems have only made profit for people.

Your trust feed back will tell everything about it and there's no need for explanation that you are truly promoting a scam system.

And you are fooling people that it is impossible to lose, so stop fooling around it is a disgrace that you are getting profit on the deposits of other people.

You keep on saying that your system made profit for people, stop encouraging people here with investing into scams. What a shame.

ok...this means that if you are red trusted you are a scammer?
How can i get profit from other investment if niw deposit are not possible and f all deposit have been cashbacked with profit...
really you are not honnest with yourself.
I offer at my members nowadays over 20000 satoshi daily...and they can not deposit...if you see scam in this you should consult a doctor...(lol)
Why do you red trust me not?
I know why...because you could just say:I red trust winspiral because he is redtrusted...(lol)
I hope you can good sleep...because you mislead people and you avoid them to earn little cash with fun.

Your wrong believing does not matter for me...but you are fun destroyer for other people who could learn about trading while earning.

That's why we should not fall for their trap if they wanting us to send deposits immediately. Because true investments are not going to push us to invest and deposit to their site immediately. And also it is alarming if those sites are not showing their whois and other information about their operation. That's fishy if they do that.

Some sites even pretend to be good by not pushing anyone towards them and showing that they are not scamming anyone or they are not a part of HYIP industry but they are actually doing it because they want people to believe them, and they succeed a lot in this.

Yes, you are a scammer if you have red trust because those DT members will not tagged that to you if you are not involve with a scam.

And it is seems that your site is a scam so they have tagged you a red trust, it tells everything about your system.

So you don't have to explain about it.

I explain what i want...(lol)
This shows just that you can not think yourself...you need other people to make your opinion even if other people are wrong...
It is undiscutable:you do not know what you are talking about.
It does not matter for me,but it matters for people you misslead.Fortunately some people can think themself...

Many people can not accept that my system is UNIQUE where it is impossible to lose.

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Hmm, indeed the scammer is something quite dangerous and not liked by everyone. And indeed what you say is also true, that site brought he does have a reputation or confidence level is not good so he gets a red sign which is something detrimental to him. It is better we use this forum to provide benefits than do something only detrimental to everyone in this forum.

I know what I'm talking about and it is about to save people from being scammed by your system. Haha, you are telling me that I'm misleading people?

You are feeling regret to those possible people that can be your prey to be saved because of my warning to them and as well as those red tagged put to you?

Ohh, yes your system is unique, using unique sweet words to encourage people to donate their money to you.

(lol) never money is asked...money is only offered...and your missleading avoids people to get offered money...

What? Money is offered? How come that you are offering money to the people that needs to have deposit? You are offering your scam site to the people to ask them to invest to your system.

Don't mislead and encourage people that turning out that your a good old man that offers money, stop using sweet talks.

You cannot fool people here anymore with your scam.

Be careful about your lies because it is not only impossible to lose on my U2 system but as well impossible to deposit...
Hug...Old man has spoken (lol)

Its better to call you old man rather than grandpa, really it is impossible to deposit to your u2 system?

Then why does your trust level says this, "Running an "investment game" with the tagline "No risk...You can not lose.".
Claiming that it is not a ponzi, however unabled to explain how it works."

Because people want not understand...(lol)

In fact they don't want to understand, but because from the beginning they've eaten or hypnotized from words or promises which they have provided then it is enough to make most people forget to reasonable or good thoughts. Because each word contains a good thought and also a ponzi is the system most widely used or owned. So if we can get a profit in it, Indeed profitable ponzi but can we get a loss if it can not control themselves and think well

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1716720.new#new

People here talk about generalities and often only half because the are under hurry...(lol)
I have never run a ponzi site and my only promises have been that it is impossible to lose.
People here can not understand that such thing is possible.
I accept that people are wrong and "believe" i'm a scammer and a ponzi runner...
But I can not accept that they say I'm a ponzi runner and a scammer because I have never scammed and run a ponzi site.

Shouldn't  promoting your site/service be in Service Announcement?  Or if the activity is being discussed, should it be in Service Discussion?  I have a neutral stance about your project but please use the proper board for your announcement /discussion.

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There are several way to know if the sites is trying to scam you.

You can first check the domain name.  It should bring an alarm if the domain  is named after some brand that actually don't have any relation to them
You can also check the layer of Url requesting our credentials.  There is a big possiblity that phishing may occur, some site intentionally resembles other legit site just to get your credentials.
Check the validity of the SSL.
Check the contact information, most scam site does not have contact information.
Check for grammars and spelling, legit company will always want to show professionalism, so even if they are not native of English, they will hire for the content of their site.
Check terms and agreement.
If they are shipping item, you can check their shipping terms and agreement and return policy.
Most of all check their customer support.

Here are some pointers that may determine if the site is a possible scam or not.

Here the discussion is about the wrong saying of a member in this post...i can not use my right if answer other where if it is sais here...

About your advise about scam:
My systems are programmed for the fun...it's not a company...
When i say my systems are  risk free and you can only earn it is so...
You believe it or not...but I can not accept that  someone says that i'm a scammer without proves.

Honestly you cannot please everyone, and you don't have to push the idea to other people.  They have their own mind and decision.  All you can do now is prove that your site/system is really not  a ponzi or scam  not by words but by result.   

But it is an evidence that it is not a ponzi sheme.

Check if you can see HTTPS and the locked icon in the address bar it means the information you provide is more

secured, Analyze what they are offering, If it contradicts into something and has too many grammatical errors

then its probably a scam.  You can check the site via google safe browsing and read some users review

If you are in the U.S. you can check the business in the BBB The Better Business Bureau and see how good their reputation is, if the business is serious you should find it there and find good reviews, if there are bad reviews you should avoid that business.

It's quite obvious. There are a lot of warning bells that should hopefully get any scam sites out of your way:

- Admin cannot speak good English
- Admin has a history of scamming, or spamming
- Domain registration is only for a year or less, when they claim to be here for the long term
- Any "HYIPs", "Doublers"
- Anything that is too good to be true.

I'm French...My English is poor...are all webmasters with poor English scammers?
NO
- Admin has a history of scamming, or spamming
history doeas not mean realy...we never talk about the history talkers...
- Domain registration is only for a year or less, when they claim to be here for the long term
This does mean nothing...
- Any "HYIPs", "Doublers"
HYIP does not mean scam
- Anything that is too good to be true.
My U2 system is too good to be true ...sorry it exists...(lol)

If you don't see a secure lock on the top of the web browser that you are using SSL certificate. Then that is one sign that it is likely a scam website if they want you to send a payment of some sort.

Don't tell the people that it doesn't understand your system. They do, we do really understand that something while running has to be shady.

And it seems you changed your signature, you are quite pushy to get people to scam huh? Just don't use the word impossible to lose.

Then people will understand that your investment is legit, as you said. It is too good to be true.

I see many ponzi scammer sites using this certificate. It doesn't mean something isn't a scam if uses this lock secure.
Very easy to know if a site is scam: when they offer profit very good to be true or if they don't explain clear how their system works and how they get money to pay you back. We don't have many legit investments now, hard to trust sites on the internet to store your money and give you income.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1716720.new#new

My faith is lost in hyips and i dont bother to put my money in their anymore, and i defined them all as scam so that i will not be lured by them again, and my thinking is so true among them , those certificates are been used to lured people and i saw many hyip site using that thats why we cannot call them legit ones if they show little proofs. We just need to move on and find good ways to earn theirs no money on hyips but unstead they will surely scam us.

You can quickly realize if it's ponzi or HYIP with their mechanism within a minute . Like you said , most of HYIP not explain where they can get money for your investment back. The site offers huge return within day , you can labeled them as ponzi and stay away.

These might be signs, but all of them can easily be avoided. The hyip admins are becoming smarter and smarter and are always coming up with a new idea to scam people.

1. Everyone are capable of learning English. Most people can even master it.

2. The name of the admin can be easily changed. I think that hyip admins are mostly the same person but has different identity and whereabouts.

3. If they have enough money, they might as well have purchased a long term domain. Or maybe come up with some "we'll extend it later" announcement.

4. Other people don't understand that and most HYIP sites don't put these in their website. They just say that they offer this lifetime plan, etc.

5. HYIP sites have been offering 3 months ROI which is good enough to be true to most people. And even if some doublers only have 100 hours to wait for your money to get doubled, they always have a reason or an explanation on how is it happening.

I think many scam sites using SSL certificate, we still remind cloud mining scams like hashocean, cldmine and more. One signs if the sites scam is logic or not. If any sites will give more than 1% RoI, I sure 100℅ that is scam.

"" most of HYIP not explain where they can get money for your investment back""
If you need explaination it is better not to invest...you should understand from yourself.

I don't want to hear it from you , you need an explanation so you can SURE about what you are doing and why you Invest in those sites. Even they can , if you find something shady with their explanations better to stay away from this (Like your red trust).

I agree the HYIP scammers are not dumb they are getting smarter every day, other things I have seen HYIP scammers do is they have scripts that allow them to create fake info of people, names directions and earnings, they buy fake testimonials, sometimes they even have video testimonials.

It's always difficult, but when I see a so called deal.
First i check if there is contact information, address, phone etc.
Then I try to find reviews
If there are reviews and positive I wait a few days and try it out with small change.
If there are reviews and negative > I forget it.
If there are no reviews > I forget it.

No answers anymore for you already pissed off and why not just stop on misleading the people with your scam system about that u2cloudmining.

And you are saying that deposits are impossible? How come that it is true with this: