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So, let me get this straight.   You aren't willing to use escrow for a $200 coin?

 ???

What?

no I really just cant be bothered with it. Why is that a lot of money?



lol yeah its gonna be personalised for the buyer. So I wont lie. say its max 0.01.

lol but why cant you say something funny instead?

Because there is nothing funny about trying to sell overpriced damaged coins. There is no way that second coin gets graded higher than MS60. It looks like you used a belt sander to polish it  ???

And presumably you chose the best one for photos.  The other ones probably look like that were dragged behind a car. 

So what am I supposed to pay $200 for here? 1oz of silver and a possibility of 0.01 BTC being on the coin ??? Don't get me wrong, I like the designs (especially the second one), but I don't understand the asking price.

Hi, what do the hebrew words mean on the coin?

do you have any translation you could provide?

any symbolic or other meanings?

thanks!

 
Ya'll are worried about escrow and scratches when this shit could be cursed??   ;D

I can understand you dont want to buy them. But this is currently what I have to charge to keep the project rolling. If you are concerned with price then this isnt for you simply. It would be nice that you dont get too involved if you dont like the idea. I am not forcing anyone to buy them. I have already put too much into this and changed stupid things up to the value of 2k in order to open the market to you guys who are so stringent on ' rules' . So if you dont want to buy them  please just ignore this pathetic thread and look for something worth while to buy.

Where are you located?

Belt sander bro? You have any dealings with coins apart from the luckybit which you like sold again and again and again? I used proffessional stuff.


I do not like you in the slightest I like all people here but please dont make your self look like a dick. Then I cant like you either xxxxx

ANYWHERE you want me to be. SERIOUSLY

I have a fairly large coin collection so I know what I'm talking about. The LuckyBit coins have nothing to do with this but like you said, a lot of them have been sold. I don't think you can say the same.

I am just pointing out that your second coin has a lot of scratches on its surface. I'm not trying to be a dick here but you messed up those coins. I'm not sure what you tried to do and what equipment you used but usually freshly minted coins look flawless.

Which professional method did you use to polish them?
You have been around forums far longer than your current posts based on your posting style and responses, what are your other handles here?  You can PM me if you don't want to post them here.
The question about where you are located is to see if you are somewhere near one of the known collectors of phys coins is close to you to see the coins etc... you have.

When the coins arrive they sometimes come with some areas that look dull. I used a polishing cloth meant for jewellery and it seems to have scratched the coins. But as I say it is only from certain angles. When I talk about ANACS rating I know thats the rating they will get. They are not the absolute best. I dont have a polishing or buffer unit here right now. I am selling these coins in order to carry on producing. I have made the bitcoin denomination low in order for me to not be accused of scamming people. The bitcoin content will rise in the future. This is an honest as I can be.

If anyone has an ebay account and would like to sell them for me please get in touch.

I quickly look at the pictures, I wonder what it is? how does it relate Jewish (star) words with unfamiliar language to the crypto currencies.
Relationship with some organization???
This is some project. But do not fit me at the moment.

Yes its not for everyone. It isn't jewish stars. It is SATANISM. But what is more SATAN - religions through the world that cause death and destruction or a symbol that will make you gain things. If satan exists it is not with these coins it is with the armies of the world blowing people up.

Well, let me start with something positive first, congratulations on releasing your own coin with amazing designs. I really like them, so well done! The thing that I do not like is the price, the hologram which looks hand cut and the fact that you hand polished them (which resulted scratches in the coins). It's always better to not polish minted coins as that almost always decreases their value significantly.

I'll not state that your coins are overpriced, because I do not know how much time and effort was put into this. I also don't know how much minting, design creation and hologram making was. Seeing as you only minted 4*4 coins there must be a pretty heavy markup on the coins, which is to bad. :-\

Anyway, I wish you all the best and keep up those nice designs!

Thanks finally something positive. I dont expect to sell them anyway so we will see. Sorry about the price but I need to cover some lossed from changing the mistakes before about the chicago bulls head. I dont think it would have been a major concern anyway but I had to spend lots of money changing for some people who wouldnt have even bought the coin in the 1st place. Seams like a rat race in here and I was expecting people who appreciated bitcoin.

At first I liked the design overall. But when looking closer I could see some clear flaws, and then that you now say it is not a jewish star, which it very much is, but a satanist star, guessing you mean a pentagram? That's just wrong, do you even know what it is you have designed?

I won't talk too much about the price, I've seen people sell some coins with similar quality for the same amount or perhaps even more expensive. So, I won't really comment on if it's too high or low.

Perhaps your next coin/s will be a bit more solid and clear with everything. I'll keep my eyes open for the future.

Good luck with sales.

I am selling the Seals of Solomon. I know what I am selling. I dont want to be affiliated with any religion as I am am not religious myself. Jewish star, christian origins, muslim related..... I dont care these are the seals of solomon and that is the collection.

All religions can not be correct. I am not selling religion I am selling the past interpretation of satanism in a physical bitcoin.

Firstly, congrats on the release of your coins. I will say that I genuinely like the design.

That said, the hologram looks like it has been cut by hand, and is not a perfect circle covering the area where the private key goes. Aesthetically, this is a sub-par job and just doesn't look great :(

You have already explained how the scratches came about, so I wont repeat questions that have already been asked surrounding that.

Pricing: For a quality coin that has been professionally made, has no imperfections like those scratches, has been assembled properly (the holo for example does not look good as I mentioned already), the coin is in an airtite, and is presented in a nice ETUI - then $200 might be a price I would be willing to pay for one of these. Unfortunately, you have a fantastic looking design - but the scratches, the holo placement/cutting, no mention of presentation etc - makes your pricing excessive.

Now - I can understand that you obviously made a significant loss with your previous endeavour. That Bull Coin was an awesome design as well, and is something I would have purchased had it not been infringing copyrighted material. The coin looked good (what we saw of it), and the presentation that it came with made it look like a premium item. This ticks a lot of "my boxes" when it comes to purchasing a new coin on the market. Had you found a way to legally sell that coin, I think it would have done very well . It is a shame that you had to shut that project down, and I am sorry you took a hit there financially.

That said, I don't see why us, as customers, should bare the brunt of that loss by having to pay inflated prices on your next run of coins. I don't think we should have to pay for an error you made.

Next, escrow. The fact that you have said "no I really just can't be bothered with it", along with "Why is that a lot of money?" will instantly put the majority of serious collectors here off completely. $200 is a lot of money to some people, and a trivial amount to others. Still, $200 is $200 and the fact that you "cannot be bothered" has probably killed half your sales before they even began. You are still a new user here, who has no reputation - no one should be trusting you implicitly with hundreds of $ when we have no clue if you are legit or not. Sorry, this is just the way it is, people have been stung before and are more cautious now.

The mysterious amount of BTC that you are loading onto the coins (max 0.01) doesn't make sense to some people. If the BTC amount is going to be minimal (which is perfect for your first coins) then people should know beforehand what they are getting. It isn't really anything major considering the trivial amount of BTC you will load, but it is confusing nonetheless.

Lastly, you come across as very angry in some of your posts, as well as being disrespectful to some users. You are trying to sell us your product - Have some respect for your potential customers man.

Anyway, just wanted to give you some constructive criticism, not having a bash at your product or you. Had these coins been flawless, with professionally assembled hologram and presented in a luxury presentation case, then I could have seen myself paying $200 for one. But for the reasons I have already explained, as well as the no escrow thing when you are a new seller - brings me to the decision to pass this time round.

Great design though. Hoping to see something better presented in the future.

Edit: Satanism? How did I miss that. I thought these were Jewish symbols. Not for me, though I still like the design  :-\

Thank you for some positive feedback! To be honest I think you are right and I have no come back for this.

I cant charge any less right now. I am already in the region of 12k invested in this coin idea and I was hoping to sell these 2 to get some new boxes with out the bull head.

Its crazy I made a mistake but to change it I cant afford. I can only sell for this price and change everything or I just try keep the existing coins for the metal value.

I was hoping to make coins different and that people would like for an unregulated bitcoin community but I dont think this will happen.

I never really set out in this to make a fortune I set out to make awesome coins.

All the best for your coin! It does look nice though little overpriced.

I personally like the design of hologram though not very nicely cut as a circle but the design in middle looks nice :)

Can I pay in sacrificed goats blood ? Seems to fit in well ... ?

Are you sure that you are selling it for 0.01 if yes i can buy it but we need some escrow here to hold my payment and wait after i receive the coin you can get your payment from escrow..
Watching ..

omg this whole sale is a joke. Lets just all agree I failed. What a joke lol

Is this the sort of message we want to associate with crypto? Intolerance of religions and the message of satanism?

I like your latest post where you opened up a bit about your situation, as it is pretty hard for most of us to understand the whole process, and how much you have put in to this. Considering this one and the previous attempt I'd say you are unlucky. But you should take what people say here with a grain of salt, as I doubt anyone here is out to personally attack you or the brand you are trying to build. We are just collectors, and your biggest audience, most of us knows what we want and how we want it so when new players enter and they bring forth a flawed or unfinished product, you will in most cases receive some comical criticism. Again, don't take it personally and try to learn from it even if it can be hard. I know now that you've put in a lot of money and time in to this, but keep going and tides could turn very soon. Aa stated previously I'm looking forward to future coins that you may make as I do very much like the ideas you have, and the coins coming out do look very good in the basic design/finish.

"Each failure brings you one step closer to success".

Seriously thank you. I appreciate that. We will see.

Interesting, did you mention above that this sale is a joke?  The OP sounds pretty serious albeit information could be missing that prospective customers are looking for. 

I'm not sure what the symbols or engraving means, but it looks different for sure.

The pictures in the OP ......of the Hologram were cloudy.... Could you please get a close up of the Hologram with good color and lighting,   ....  I think you have something with the Hologram ..... Let's see it shine..

All the lettering is hebrew.  I think the word in the 1st pic at 12 o'clock is Netoniel.  

Both pics match the first row in my link, and the description below.

Based on this, I think there's a good chance the other two coins will be from the 2nd row

http://www.sacred-texts.com/grim/kos/kos27.htm

No, do not get me wrong. I do want them as I like both the design and talisman, but the pricing is not what I consider "appropriate" for 1oz and my judgement was pretty objective (as you can see from many others sharing the same view). I would want a cheaper variant with these or similar designs. I still do not know what the words on those coins are, could you tell us what they mean?

Hi, Cryptomint.  your coins look good to me .  as I know most of the people here , I could propose you this: send me a couple of coins , so I could inspect them , take some pictures, and eventually handle your  sales with some btctlk interested users wich I personally already know, as i already got a lot of trades with many of them ..

just let me know..

best regards

defcon23

Thank you for the offer let me ask around a bit and I will get a proposal your way. Your feedback is a little worrying but after a few checks you seam legitimate - we can discuss that in private. I will PM you this weekend.

Yes. 50cL of it and its yours.

I could not understand how the Hebrew labels are related to the coin.
Anyways, 200$ is pretty much a very high price , taking in consideration that we don't know the full details about the funds that the coin is loaded with and it only contains 1oz of silver.
You could even buy a Cassacius coin with 200$, so what makes this coin special?

Added a new photo.

Very nice coin, is buy one but you already stated that you can't be bothered with escrow which is problematic. 

Hi no problem. Its just something I do not wish to do and I do not feel the seller is fully protected. For larger amounts like 10 Bitcoin I would consider it with a thorough escrow agreement detailing each steps the process each party takes to verify what occurred.

1 Coin is reserved so 1 remaining.

OP i love the design of your coin a lot. I would be interesred. Is this the only coin you have ?

Beautiful coin !  :o    OMG  i need one of these  :P   how much are still available ?

I'll take the last one!

Escrow is the norm here.  What do you mean the seller isn't fully protected?   You either send a product or you don't. 

Buyer beware. 

bah ... we also have to admit one point : escrow system is implemented most to protect the buyer than the seller ... that's a true fact.

IE: a buyer pretend to not received his good ..or an empty package  ( wich is not true ) :  the seller is fucked.. that's unfortunaly a reality.

in other hands, i have sold a lot of coins here , without ever only one issue ..  and without escrow system on all my sales : NEVER .


so , if someone dont trust me , i suggest him to dont deal with me . it's so simple as this .  

in other hands, i have used escrow system , as a BUYER , when i dont know or trust the seller ..  but once again : this sytem is more to protect buyer than seller . ;)

this engaged only my opinion , indeed  ;)

If you use shipping that requires a signature, then both parties are protected. It will show on the system that the buyer received the parcel.  :)

miffman : look this case: the dishonest buyer , received his good ( with tracked signed package ) and pretend receiving an empty package : what will happend ?  :)


basicaly the seller would be fucked ,for the goods , and for the tracking postage cost also ..


but as i said , above , i have sold a LOT of coins , and i never had to use any eswcrow in none of my sales , and i had nevet got any issue  ( for many years now ) , with anyone .  but i agree : all sellers are not honest too ..

The seller and buyer can form an agreement beforehand about lost parcels and empty packages. Escrow is still more secure than a tx without it  :)

ha  yeah ... indeed .  :D  ( was remembered me a conversation we already had on slack month ago together lol  ;)   )

OP sorry for off topic ... wasn't plan to hijack your thread . all my apologies !  :)

Hi there could you PM me to confirm please? Thanks. If that confirms I will wait to get these coins shipped and arrived then sell a couple more.

I can imaging escrow is a good idea for people doing the odd trade. What happens if the package turns up and the seller claims it is full of rocks or something like that or empty? Also I am only selling a couple of coins at a time. Its my preference to do business. I bought for the coins upfront without escrow which was a lot more than 250 usd and I wasn't particularly worried.
If the amount goes over 1k usd I will do escrow that I can understand. But I haven't spent all this time money and effort to scam someone out of 250 bux.

If you want one of the coins then you can reserve one of the coins out of stock, wait till I have sent the 1st 2 and they arrived (everyone happy) and then we can complete the deal. I hope that's fair.

op  these coins already solded ?  i would like buying one if still available.

So I have been awarded bad feedback for choosing not to use escrow. Its a personal business choice. Leaving bad feedback out of spite is extremely undignified especially after I offered to reserve a coin until I received some positive feedback. Its peoples right to choose how to manage business transactions and to try tarnish someones reputation because it isn't in line with your ideals really sums up the level of maturity of the person involved.

This and I also have people creating accounts and ' shilling' my coins so I can ' pump and dump ' them - then I get accused of creating them (I had to pinch myself to make sure I was still awake). I really just do not know what is going on. You can expect some teething problems when you familiarise your self with a new forum but this takes the biscuit.

I am only ever going to sell a few coins at the same time so really there is minimal risk for me walking away with 1000's of users funds. Its's not going to happen.

Escrow is to protect the buyer.  Refusing escrow is red flag!  Trust is earned.  There is enough fraud in the Bitcoin physical coin market these days and I've been part of too many already.  We don't need any more!  $250 (~0.25BTC) for a funded coin that has less than 0.01BTC on it?  On top of that, you're promoting "Satanism" or pentagrams.  Really?  I've already been through enough "punishment" already.  No thanks! 

Guilty until proven innocent is how you roll then is it? Suspicion = guilt = bad feedback? I am not promoting SATAN lets face it they are novelty coins and nothing more (unless you dare to believe thy are). Thanks for your opinion though always welcome. We have something in common because I am a great believer in Khama and that is clear you are when you referred to what happened to you as  'punishment'. 

We definitely appreciate bitcoin, and art as well.

But unfortunately, "poor planning on your part does not constitute as an emergency on ours"...in other words...why should we be expected to pay for your fuckup?

Additionally, as we have no reason to trust you...it is mandatory that you accept some form of escrow if you wish to properly contribute to this market.

Otherwise you're just wasting everyone's time with pretty pictures.

I don't care if you have ownership of satoshi's severed phallus ...it doesn't immediately grant you trust here. You have to build trust through confirmed and successful trades before anyone(but fools) purchase from you without escrow.

You didn't/ wont pay for the scratched coins they are in a new home.. These are  different and runs of 5.  I have sold one so hopefully that will be positive feedback.
Thanks for your take on escrow. I will gain successful trades eventually I am in no hurry and like I said before I will only sell a few coins at time. So I have 1 sale already. I am in no rush here.
Out of curiousity how much would you say Satoshi's severed phallus would go for?

Even for satirical purposes I'd hope you already understand at least one of the many reasons why we can't put a price on such things.

So, is this original artwork?   ::)

Obviously not , looking at previous coin designs, and publicly "viewable" artwork :)

The back is original. The front is one of the Seals of Solomon. Unchanged in design. If it was changed it wouldn't be a Seal of Solomon.


Out of curiosity would you consider a painting of the Eiffel tower to be original? Or would you say a statue of the Mona Lisa is original?

Is that a joke or are you being serious?
You are trying to sell a collectible coin here.

If you didn't create the artwork thats fine, you should clearly state so in your OP, so people don't have to find these images on the web, and wonder why you are simply using other people's images and slapping them on a coin, and asking people to give you money?

On top of that you are not accepting escrow, and expect people to simply trust you?

oh and let's not bring up the "shill" accounts that are here that you claim someone created besides yourself?

The people you are trying to attract here are not fools or noobs, and we have pretty much seen about every possible scam attempt here to date, not saying you are scamming, but trust is EARNED not a given, and honesty goes a long way to earn that trust.

Oh and to answer you question about the images of the mona lisa and eiffel tower, I would clearly say they are not originals but copies of an existing piece of art, which was created by hand (painted, or sculpted) by a skilled artist, and I doubt anyone on earth would have to question that or ask about it, vs your photos you sent to a mint of  demonic images (as you claim) to be pressed on a coin :)

thanks!

Just a note that I received one of these coins. I didn't use escrow.