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Title: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: iamTom123 on December 08, 2016, 06:31:59 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: ridery99 on December 08, 2016, 08:08:44 AM
Well, to me it seems that most of the countries which claim to be democratic are run by corporate interests nowadays. I like the idea of democracy but I'm not sure if it's being implemented anywhere right now.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: chachaa on December 08, 2016, 09:27:01 AM
Well, to me it seems that most of the countries which claim to be democratic are run by corporate interests nowadays. I like the idea of democracy but I'm not sure if it's being implemented anywhere right now.
It seems to me that absolute democracy doesn't exist. And it's probably good. Currently, we have seen the pernicious effects of democracy such as the withdrawal of Britain from the EU, elections Trump. What else to expect?


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: iluvbitcoins on December 08, 2016, 09:59:29 AM
Democracy is an idea, the people should be able to decide what they want their country to do but so many times, the interests of the few overcome the interests of the many.
That is the main problem, direct democracy is something that must be improved in every country, things as referendums are a must!
Referendums must be optimized to cost less, aka. digital voting, volunteers etc. and require less signatures to be taken so the nation actually has the means to correct actions from politicians they do not support.

Elected politicians often forget that they are where they are to serve the nation and not vice versa and that's why direct democracy must be improved.
Democracy is a growing system, we had it for a long time but we must improve it so the individual has more power.

And yes, I still love it, although flawed, it's still the best system we have.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Alfa123 on December 08, 2016, 10:06:37 AM
Democracy is an idea, the people should be able to decide what they want their country to do but so many times, the interests of the few overcome the interests of the many.
That is the main problem, direct democracy is something that must be improved in every country, things as referendums are a must!
Referendums must be optimized to cost less, aka. digital voting, volunteers etc. and require less signatures to be taken so the nation actually has the means to correct actions from politicians they do not support.

Elected politicians often forget that they are where they are to serve the nation and not vice versa and that's why direct democracy must be improved.
Democracy is a growing system, we had it for a long time but we must improve it so the individual has more power.

And yes, I still love it, although flawed, it's still the best system we have.
The current system of democracy does not meet their requirements. I believe that the government is the sphere which requires special education and does not tolerate publicity. For these purposes, democracy can be destructive.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: iluvbitcoins on December 08, 2016, 10:14:32 AM
Democracy is an idea, the people should be able to decide what they want their country to do but so many times, the interests of the few overcome the interests of the many.
That is the main problem, direct democracy is something that must be improved in every country, things as referendums are a must!
Referendums must be optimized to cost less, aka. digital voting, volunteers etc. and require less signatures to be taken so the nation actually has the means to correct actions from politicians they do not support.

Elected politicians often forget that they are where they are to serve the nation and not vice versa and that's why direct democracy must be improved.
Democracy is a growing system, we had it for a long time but we must improve it so the individual has more power.

And yes, I still love it, although flawed, it's still the best system we have.
The current system of democracy does not meet their requirements. I believe that the government is the sphere which requires special education and does not tolerate publicity. For these purposes, democracy can be destructive.

Whose requirements?

Democracy can be destructive if implemented badly, corruption WILL happen if everything is not transparent, but this is not a problem of democracy but a problem of control.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: jvc12 on December 08, 2016, 11:43:11 AM
this is a system of government for the people and by the people were the people are allowed to express their freedom of right compare to the military were the right of the people are been held the government as for me the world has come pass the era were human right will held by one individual in the name of governance. i still love Democracy is the best   


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Alfa123 on December 08, 2016, 11:54:08 AM
Democracy is an idea, the people should be able to decide what they want their country to do but so many times, the interests of the few overcome the interests of the many.
That is the main problem, direct democracy is something that must be improved in every country, things as referendums are a must!
Referendums must be optimized to cost less, aka. digital voting, volunteers etc. and require less signatures to be taken so the nation actually has the means to correct actions from politicians they do not support.

Elected politicians often forget that they are where they are to serve the nation and not vice versa and that's why direct democracy must be improved.
Democracy is a growing system, we had it for a long time but we must improve it so the individual has more power.

And yes, I still love it, although flawed, it's still the best system we have.
The current system of democracy does not meet their requirements. I believe that the government is the sphere which requires special education and does not tolerate publicity. For these purposes, democracy can be destructive.

Whose requirements?

Democracy can be destructive if implemented badly, corruption WILL happen if everything is not transparent, but this is not a problem of democracy but a problem of control.
On the other hand, a country can be destroyed if carelessly implemented democratic principles. All should be the measure. I think that the crisis of democracy is associated with the lack of communication of the politicians with the people.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: iluvbitcoins on December 08, 2016, 12:05:55 PM
Democracy is an idea, the people should be able to decide what they want their country to do but so many times, the interests of the few overcome the interests of the many.
That is the main problem, direct democracy is something that must be improved in every country, things as referendums are a must!
Referendums must be optimized to cost less, aka. digital voting, volunteers etc. and require less signatures to be taken so the nation actually has the means to correct actions from politicians they do not support.

Elected politicians often forget that they are where they are to serve the nation and not vice versa and that's why direct democracy must be improved.
Democracy is a growing system, we had it for a long time but we must improve it so the individual has more power.

And yes, I still love it, although flawed, it's still the best system we have.
The current system of democracy does not meet their requirements. I believe that the government is the sphere which requires special education and does not tolerate publicity. For these purposes, democracy can be destructive.

Whose requirements?

Democracy can be destructive if implemented badly, corruption WILL happen if everything is not transparent, but this is not a problem of democracy but a problem of control.
On the other hand, a country can be destroyed if carelessly implemented democratic principles. All should be the measure. I think that the crisis of democracy is associated with the lack of communication of the politicians with the people.

That's exaclty what I said in my previous reply, direct democracy must increase as politicians often don't reprensent the will of the people who they're supposed to represent
I believe they should also be graded by the nation and their salary judged on the average grade
Most of them would probably starve,  so I'd put a min. and max. salary so they can at least eat  :D

Market competition is what improves everything, race to become the best, to earn the most by giving the buyer what he wants
And here we are the buyers
We pay them to represent us, if they do not do so we will grade them badly and they will earn less
At the new elections we will pick somebody else and he wouldn't give a damn for 4 years unless we had an option to decrease his salary
I have an idea of digitalazing the whole political process so politicians remain under control of the people during their 4 year rule, not just before the elections


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: pseexh on December 08, 2016, 12:10:28 PM
Democracy is an idea, the people should be able to decide what they want their country to do but so many times, the interests of the few overcome the interests of the many.
That is the main problem, direct democracy is something that must be improved in every country, things as referendums are a must!
Referendums must be optimized to cost less, aka. digital voting, volunteers etc. and require less signatures to be taken so the nation actually has the means to correct actions from politicians they do not support.

Elected politicians often forget that they are where they are to serve the nation and not vice versa and that's why direct democracy must be improved.
Democracy is a growing system, we had it for a long time but we must improve it so the individual has more power.

And yes, I still love it, although flawed, it's still the best system we have.
The current system of democracy does not meet their requirements. I believe that the government is the sphere which requires special education and does not tolerate publicity. For these purposes, democracy can be destructive.

Whose requirements?

Democracy can be destructive if implemented badly, corruption WILL happen if everything is not transparent, but this is not a problem of democracy but a problem of control.
On the other hand, a country can be destroyed if carelessly implemented democratic principles. All should be the measure. I think that the crisis of democracy is associated with the lack of communication of the politicians with the people.

That's exaclty what I said in my previous reply, direct democracy must increase as politicians often don't reprensent the will of the people who they're supposed to represent
I believe they should also be graded by the nation and their salary judged on the average grade
Most of them would probably starve,  so I'd put a min. and max. salary so they can at least eat  :D

Market competition is what improves everything, race to become the best, to earn the most by giving the buyer what he wants
And here we are the buyers
We pay them to represent us, if they do not do so we will grade them badly and they will earn less
At the new elections we will pick somebody else and he wouldn't give a damn for 4 years unless we had an option to decrease his salary
I have an idea of digitalazing the whole political process so politicians remain under control of the people during their 4 year rule, not just before the elections
Unfortunately, politics has become the clan business. Many politicians run the country with their families. I'm not a supporter of such dynasties, but admit that such an approach could facilitate dialogue between the authorities.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Xester on December 08, 2016, 12:17:34 PM
Democracy is an idea, the people should be able to decide what they want their country to do but so many times, the interests of the few overcome the interests of the many.
That is the main problem, direct democracy is something that must be improved in every country, things as referendums are a must!
Referendums must be optimized to cost less, aka. digital voting, volunteers etc. and require less signatures to be taken so the nation actually has the means to correct actions from politicians they do not support.

Elected politicians often forget that they are where they are to serve the nation and not vice versa and that's why direct democracy must be improved.
Democracy is a growing system, we had it for a long time but we must improve it so the individual has more power.

And yes, I still love it, although flawed, it's still the best system we have.
The current system of democracy does not meet their requirements. I believe that the government is the sphere which requires special education and does not tolerate publicity. For these purposes, democracy can be destructive.

Whose requirements?

Democracy can be destructive if implemented badly, corruption WILL happen if everything is not transparent, but this is not a problem of democracy but a problem of control.
On the other hand, a country can be destroyed if carelessly implemented democratic principles. All should be the measure. I think that the crisis of democracy is associated with the lack of communication of the politicians with the people.

That's exaclty what I said in my previous reply, direct democracy must increase as politicians often don't reprensent the will of the people who they're supposed to represent
I believe they should also be graded by the nation and their salary judged on the average grade
Most of them would probably starve,  so I'd put a min. and max. salary so they can at least eat  :D

Market competition is what improves everything, race to become the best, to earn the most by giving the buyer what he wants
And here we are the buyers
We pay them to represent us, if they do not do so we will grade them badly and they will earn less
At the new elections we will pick somebody else and he wouldn't give a damn for 4 years unless we had an option to decrease his salary
I have an idea of digitalazing the whole political process so politicians remain under control of the people during their 4 year rule, not just before the elections
Unfortunately, politics has become the clan business. Many politicians run the country with their families. I'm not a supporter of such dynasties, but admit that such an approach could facilitate dialogue between the authorities.

Political dynasties occur everywhere and politics is a battle of families. Democracy today is useless, it is just a guise but the truth remains that the people are less free, they become more closer to poverty and hardship while the oligarchs that rules the government enslaves them and enjoys a happy and luxurious life. Sometimes a communist country with a good leader brings more freedom to the people rather than a democratic country run by enslaving and corrupt individuals.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: beafheart on December 08, 2016, 12:28:48 PM
Democracy is an idea, the people should be able to decide what they want their country to do but so many times, the interests of the few overcome the interests of the many.
That is the main problem, direct democracy is something that must be improved in every country, things as referendums are a must!
Referendums must be optimized to cost less, aka. digital voting, volunteers etc. and require less signatures to be taken so the nation actually has the means to correct actions from politicians they do not support.

Elected politicians often forget that they are where they are to serve the nation and not vice versa and that's why direct democracy must be improved.
Democracy is a growing system, we had it for a long time but we must improve it so the individual has more power.

And yes, I still love it, although flawed, it's still the best system we have.
The current system of democracy does not meet their requirements. I believe that the government is the sphere which requires special education and does not tolerate publicity. For these purposes, democracy can be destructive.

Whose requirements?

Democracy can be destructive if implemented badly, corruption WILL happen if everything is not transparent, but this is not a problem of democracy but a problem of control.
On the other hand, a country can be destroyed if carelessly implemented democratic principles. All should be the measure. I think that the crisis of democracy is associated with the lack of communication of the politicians with the people.

That's exaclty what I said in my previous reply, direct democracy must increase as politicians often don't reprensent the will of the people who they're supposed to represent
I believe they should also be graded by the nation and their salary judged on the average grade
Most of them would probably starve,  so I'd put a min. and max. salary so they can at least eat  :D

Market competition is what improves everything, race to become the best, to earn the most by giving the buyer what he wants
And here we are the buyers
We pay them to represent us, if they do not do so we will grade them badly and they will earn less
At the new elections we will pick somebody else and he wouldn't give a damn for 4 years unless we had an option to decrease his salary
I have an idea of digitalazing the whole political process so politicians remain under control of the people during their 4 year rule, not just before the elections
Unfortunately, politics has become the clan business. Many politicians run the country with their families. I'm not a supporter of such dynasties, but admit that such an approach could facilitate dialogue between the authorities.

Political dynasties occur everywhere and politics is a battle of families. Democracy today is useless, it is just a guise but the truth remains that the people are less free, they become more closer to poverty and hardship while the oligarchs that rules the government enslaves them and enjoys a happy and luxurious life. Sometimes a communist country with a good leader brings more freedom to the people rather than a democratic country run by enslaving and corrupt individuals.
Communist ideology mixed with blood. Under the guise of beautiful words the Communists destroyed their state. Name one Communist country where the people lived well.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Tyrantt on December 08, 2016, 12:30:05 PM
Democracy is terrible idea in todays time, because one can get so much more power today then he could back then and a good number of politicians today are corrupt.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: iluvbitcoins on December 08, 2016, 12:32:15 PM

Political dynasties occur everywhere and politics is a battle of families. Democracy today is useless, it is just a guise but the truth remains that the people are less free, they become more closer to poverty and hardship while the oligarchs that rules the government enslaves them and enjoys a happy and luxurious life. Sometimes a communist country with a good leader brings more freedom to the people rather than a democratic country run by enslaving and corrupt individuals.

This is completely untrue, there was never a succesful communist country

Communism fails as soon as the country runs out of other peoples money, money they stole from people who earned it, political opposition and anyone else who opposed them
They nationalize (aka. steal) and as soon the money is given out and there is no new assets to steal, communism fails

Capitalism overcomes communism in even the tiniest aspects

Communism is a big pile of shit

Read 'Animal farm' by George Orwell, I really loved the book and it plainly describes what communism is and was


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Tyrantt on December 08, 2016, 12:32:25 PM
Democracy is an idea, the people should be able to decide what they want their country to do but so many times, the interests of the few overcome the interests of the many.
That is the main problem, direct democracy is something that must be improved in every country, things as referendums are a must!
Referendums must be optimized to cost less, aka. digital voting, volunteers etc. and require less signatures to be taken so the nation actually has the means to correct actions from politicians they do not support.

Elected politicians often forget that they are where they are to serve the nation and not vice versa and that's why direct democracy must be improved.
Democracy is a growing system, we had it for a long time but we must improve it so the individual has more power.

And yes, I still love it, although flawed, it's still the best system we have.
The current system of democracy does not meet their requirements. I believe that the government is the sphere which requires special education and does not tolerate publicity. For these purposes, democracy can be destructive.

Whose requirements?

Democracy can be destructive if implemented badly, corruption WILL happen if everything is not transparent, but this is not a problem of democracy but a problem of control.
On the other hand, a country can be destroyed if carelessly implemented democratic principles. All should be the measure. I think that the crisis of democracy is associated with the lack of communication of the politicians with the people.

That's exaclty what I said in my previous reply, direct democracy must increase as politicians often don't reprensent the will of the people who they're supposed to represent
I believe they should also be graded by the nation and their salary judged on the average grade
Most of them would probably starve,  so I'd put a min. and max. salary so they can at least eat  :D

Market competition is what improves everything, race to become the best, to earn the most by giving the buyer what he wants
And here we are the buyers
We pay them to represent us, if they do not do so we will grade them badly and they will earn less
At the new elections we will pick somebody else and he wouldn't give a damn for 4 years unless we had an option to decrease his salary
I have an idea of digitalazing the whole political process so politicians remain under control of the people during their 4 year rule, not just before the elections
Unfortunately, politics has become the clan business. Many politicians run the country with their families. I'm not a supporter of such dynasties, but admit that such an approach could facilitate dialogue between the authorities.

Political dynasties occur everywhere and politics is a battle of families. Democracy today is useless, it is just a guise but the truth remains that the people are less free, they become more closer to poverty and hardship while the oligarchs that rules the government enslaves them and enjoys a happy and luxurious life. Sometimes a communist country with a good leader brings more freedom to the people rather than a democratic country run by enslaving and corrupt individuals.

"Sometimes a communist country with a good leader brings more freedom to the people" Countries like what? Communism and freedom aren't going together that much, a freedom of speech that is.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: iluvbitcoins on December 08, 2016, 12:36:44 PM
"Sometimes a communist country with a good leader brings more freedom to the people" Countries like what? Communism and freedom aren't going together that much, a freedom of speech that is.

You're free to agree with the goverment, free to write what the goverment tells you to write, free to clap your hands for an hour until the officials leave, free to speak only what you're allowed to say and free to steal from those who have created something on their own.
If you refuse the advantages of these luxuries you are always free to go to a gulag  :)

Countries from the ex USSR and Yugoslavia still allow their citizens to worship this regime
Fact is communism murdered millions and millions more then facism ever did and they still walk around with red stars on their heads and hail Stalin and Tito

Communism is evil and it should be forbidden to use its symbols in any modern country


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: beafheart on December 08, 2016, 12:49:46 PM
"Sometimes a communist country with a good leader brings more freedom to the people" Countries like what? Communism and freedom aren't going together that much, a freedom of speech that is.

You're free to agree with the goverment, free to write what the goverment tells you to write, free to clap your hands for an hour until the officials leave, free to speak only what you're allowed to say and free to steal from those who have created something on their own.
If you refuse the advantages of these luxuries you are always free to go to a gulag  :)

Countries from the ex USSR and Yugoslavia still allow their citizens to worship this regime
Fact is communism murdered millions and millions more then facism ever did and they still walk around with red stars on their heads and hail Stalin and Tito

Communism is evil and it should be forbidden to use its symbols in any modern country
I agree with you. Only the Communists now in power in Russia. Yes, he masquerades as a democracy and changed their slogans, but the attitude of the people has not changed. USSR is not dead. He is alive and is now called Russia.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Actualiteit on December 08, 2016, 01:02:27 PM
Communism is evil and it should be forbidden to use its symbols in any modern country

True this. I saw a black man walking around with a Che guevara shit lol. The bulk of the people idolizing them don't even know what these people stood for. It's an evil, deadly ideology.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Prohodimec on December 08, 2016, 01:08:06 PM
Communism is evil and it should be forbidden to use its symbols in any modern country

True this. I saw a black man walking around with a Che guevara shit lol. The bulk of the people idolizing them don't even know what these people stood for. It's an evil, deadly ideology.
Che Guevara is one of the Communist idols. I think the more hands in the blood, the more they worship this leader. I am sure that Hitler would be their hero if the Soviet Union did not fight with Germany and began to each other to fight. After all, until 1941 they were friends, and together they divided Europe.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: iluvbitcoins on December 08, 2016, 01:20:30 PM
Communism is evil and it should be forbidden to use its symbols in any modern country

True this. I saw a black man walking around with a Che guevara shit lol. The bulk of the people idolizing them don't even know what these people stood for. It's an evil, deadly ideology.
Che Guevara is one of the Communist idols. I think the more hands in the blood, the more they worship this leader. I am sure that Hitler would be their hero if the Soviet Union did not fight with Germany and began to each other to fight. After all, until 1941 they were friends, and together they divided Europe.

It's funny to me how they pretend to be moral authorities and especially anti-facists, although they cooperated with Hitler, divided Poland and enforced dictatorships upon their people, took their freedom of speech etc.
And today they represent themselves as anti-facists
Although they fought alongside nazis, although they cooperated with the facists until June 22. 41. Barbarossa which is "funny", the day the first Partisan division was founded
Day that the Nazis attacked USSR, why weren't they anti-facists before it tangled with their own interests?

You do not appreciate democracy until you feel the wrath of dictatorship on your own skin
Democracy is everything


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Prohodimec on December 08, 2016, 01:26:50 PM
Communism is evil and it should be forbidden to use its symbols in any modern country

True this. I saw a black man walking around with a Che guevara shit lol. The bulk of the people idolizing them don't even know what these people stood for. It's an evil, deadly ideology.
Che Guevara is one of the Communist idols. I think the more hands in the blood, the more they worship this leader. I am sure that Hitler would be their hero if the Soviet Union did not fight with Germany and began to each other to fight. After all, until 1941 they were friends, and together they divided Europe.

It's funny to me how they pretend to be moral authorities and especially anti-facists, although they cooperated with Hitler, divided Poland and enforced dictatorships upon their people, took their freedom of speech etc.
And today they represent themselves as anti-facists
Although they fought alongside nazis, although they cooperated with the facists until June 22. 41. Barbarossa which is "funny", the day the first Partisan division was founded
Day that the Nazis attacked USSR, why weren't they anti-facists before it tangled with their own interests?
Unfortunately, it's not very funny. They pose as anti-fascists in order not to alienate the whole world. Who yells stop thief? They themselves have adopted the propaganda of Goebbels and successfully used.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Daniel91 on December 08, 2016, 07:46:44 PM
Well, if you compare democracy with communism or some other political systems in the past, democracy is still better political system.
It's true that democracy is not perfect but what is solution?
Anarchy?
I don't think so.
At least democracy can learn and become better over time and people have freedom to do what they want, and social security and protection.
If nobody can show me something better, I will not change my opinion about democratic political and social system.




Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Kvazimoda on December 08, 2016, 07:54:47 PM
Well, if you compare democracy with communism or some other political systems in the past, democracy is still better political system.
It's true that democracy is not perfect but what is solution?
Anarchy?
I don't think so.
At least democracy can learn and become better over time and people have freedom to do what they want, and social security and protection.
If nobody can show me something better, I will not change my opinion about democratic political and social system.



Democracy does not perfect, but I'm sure she has great potential. Unfortunately people still do not have the ability to influence politicians. This leads to the fact that discredited the idea of democracy.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: iluvbitcoins on December 09, 2016, 09:57:20 PM
Well, if you compare democracy with communism or some other political systems in the past, democracy is still better political system.
It's true that democracy is not perfect but what is solution?
Anarchy?
I don't think so.
At least democracy can learn and become better over time and people have freedom to do what they want, and social security and protection.
If nobody can show me something better, I will not change my opinion about democratic political and social system.



Democracy does not perfect, but I'm sure she has great potential. Unfortunately people still do not have the ability to influence politicians. This leads to the fact that discredited the idea of democracy.

The problem with society today is that we raise our children to listen, instead of questioning

Children that suck up to teachers get better grades, while those who keep distance and don't get so deep in their buttholes you lose sight of them get worse grade, just because the teacher dislikes children that oppose him

Those who oppose the teachers views are the ones that will be punished, and followers will be rewarded

We are being taught to follow, instead of thinking on our own, and question everything we're being told

A standardized test each year should be introduced in schools, a test that will be required to pass the year instead of being subjectively graded based on the teachers mood and the liking of your charachter

Besides that, only a minor part of society discusses events, but majority of it discusses people
We are at the peak of human development, but we are still so stupid and stuck up on so petty things in life that it's just ridiculous..

And then we have these people voting  :D

Democracy is the best system we got, but I believe we should still improve it (a lot!)

Plato
Quote
You see, my friend, the three shepherds on the hill? As long as they can outvote me nad Socrates, and then makes decisions, I will not believe in democracy.

I believe while voting, next to your candidate there should be a simple question about him, about his program etc.
You must answer it in order for your vote to count, if you get it wrong, your vote will not count
For starters  :D



Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: CryptoCoinNews on December 09, 2016, 11:42:17 PM
democracy is the best goverment system
in succsection leader country is democracy is the best


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: BADecker on December 10, 2016, 04:15:31 AM
From Wikipedia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy:
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According to political scientist Larry Diamond, democracy consists of four key elements: (a) A political system for choosing and replacing the government through free and fair elections; (b) The active participation of the people, as citizens, in politics and civic life; (c) Protection of the human rights of all citizens, and (d) A rule of law, in which the laws and procedures apply equally to all citizens.

The thing that many people, including Wikipedia, do not point out is that in a democracy, it is the majority over the minority. The 51% might be happy, but the 49% probably won't be.

Another thing that Wikipedia doesn't point out is that the difference in the governments of the United States, Canada, the U.K., Australia, and a few others is that the laws of the governments are only suggestions for the people to follow. These governments are democratic, but the people are directly over and above the governments.

For example. In the USA, people who don't obey a governmental law must be taken to trial. (If the person is dangerously violent, or if there are corrupt cops, he may never make it to trial.) There are 4 things that must exist at the trial before a person can be convicted (The person must invoke them.): 1) a complainant or claimant (plaintiff); 2) obviously, the person accused (defendant); 3) harm, damage or injury; 4) proof that the accused did the harm, damage or injury, in the form of at least one witness, and incriminating evidence.

If these 4 things are not all there at trial, and if the accused calls for them to be present, if they are not there, there is no case. It is in the Federal Rules of Court. However, if the accused or his attorney doesn't require these things through notice to the court, the court can do anything that it wants.

The point is, the people who know this are above all the statutes of governments in the countries listed above, and a few others. In addition, the 12-person jury can rule any way they like. They don't have to listen to the judge. This is what makes these democracies, common law governments, to be free. A civil law democracy does not have this kind of freedom.

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Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: iluvbitcoins on December 10, 2016, 12:39:37 PM
From Wikipedia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy:
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According to political scientist Larry Diamond, democracy consists of four key elements: (a) A political system for choosing and replacing the government through free and fair elections; (b) The active participation of the people, as citizens, in politics and civic life; (c) Protection of the human rights of all citizens, and (d) A rule of law, in which the laws and procedures apply equally to all citizens.

The thing that many people, including Wikipedia, do not point out is that in a democracy, it is the majority over the minority. The 51% might be happy, but the 49% probably won't be.

Another thing that Wikipedia doesn't point out is that the difference in the governments of the United States, Canada, the U.K., Australia, and a few others is that the laws of the governments are only suggestions for the people to follow. These governments are democratic, but the people are directly over and above the governments.

For example. In the USA, people who don't obey a governmental law must be taken to trial. (If the person is dangerously violent, or if there are corrupt cops, he may never make it to trial.) There are 4 things that must exist at the trial before a person can be convicted (The person must invoke them.): 1) a complainant or claimant (plaintiff); 2) obviously, the person accused (defendant); 3) harm, damage or injury; 4) proof that the accused did the harm, damage or injury, in the form of at least one witness, and incriminating evidence.

If these 4 things are not all there at trial, and if the accused calls for them to be present, if they are not there, there is no case. It is in the Federal Rules of Court. However, if the accused or his attorney doesn't require these things through notice to the court, the court can do anything that it wants.

The point is, the people who know this are above all the statutes of governments in the countries listed above, and a few others. In addition, the 12-person jury can rule any way they like. They don't have to listen to the judge. This is what makes these democracies, common law governments, to be free. A civil law democracy does not have this kind of freedom.

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The problem is that the majority isn't very intelligent

The minority are the ones that actually know how to lead the country

However, we are terrible at differing who are the ones that know how to do this

As I said in my previous posts, I believe there should be a couple of questions on the voting sheets
If you get them wrong, your vote doesn't count

We have people who don't know anything about people they're voting for and these are the people who decide who is going to rule millions of people for over 4 years


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: varyspro on December 10, 2016, 12:53:59 PM
Unfortunately, any, even the most justified limitation of the right to vote is contrary to the laws of democracy. We are doomed to the fact that low-qualified majority would be to interfere with everything.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: rajasumi3 on December 10, 2016, 01:22:27 PM
india is the largest democracy in the world .in democracy u can do  anything u want ,in democracy there are many loopholes which is beneficial  and u can point  it to people who have high  rank positions and u can get it out without any problem .that doesnot mean you will go on going bad things which is not good at all.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: DimidoffVany on December 10, 2016, 01:49:19 PM
india is the largest democracy in the world .in democracy u can do  anything u want ,in democracy there are many loopholes which is beneficial  and u can point  it to people who have high  rank positions and u can get it out without any problem .that doesnot mean you will go on going bad things which is not good at all.
Unfortunately in a democracy to live well, but the state does not develop. All examples of the rapid development of countries associated with autocracy and totalitarianism. Then comes democracy and the country is slowly starting to fade.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Daniel91 on December 10, 2016, 03:27:26 PM
Well, if you compare democracy with communism or some other political systems in the past, democracy is still better political system.
It's true that democracy is not perfect but what is solution?
Anarchy?
I don't think so.
At least democracy can learn and become better over time and people have freedom to do what they want, and social security and protection.
If nobody can show me something better, I will not change my opinion about democratic political and social system.



Democracy does not perfect, but I'm sure she has great potential. Unfortunately people still do not have the ability to influence politicians. This leads to the fact that discredited the idea of democracy.

The problem with society today is that we raise our children to listen, instead of questioning

Children that suck up to teachers get better grades, while those who keep distance and don't get so deep in their buttholes you lose sight of them get worse grade, just because the teacher dislikes children that oppose him

Those who oppose the teachers views are the ones that will be punished, and followers will be rewarded

We are being taught to follow, instead of thinking on our own, and question everything we're being told

A standardized test each year should be introduced in schools, a test that will be required to pass the year instead of being subjectively graded based on the teachers mood and the liking of your charachter

Besides that, only a minor part of society discusses events, but majority of it discusses people
We are at the peak of human development, but we are still so stupid and stuck up on so petty things in life that it's just ridiculous..

And then we have these people voting  :D

Democracy is the best system we got, but I believe we should still improve it (a lot!)

Plato
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You see, my friend, the three shepherds on the hill? As long as they can outvote me nad Socrates, and then makes decisions, I will not believe in democracy.

I believe while voting, next to your candidate there should be a simple question about him, about his program etc.
You must answer it in order for your vote to count, if you get it wrong, your vote will not count
For starters  :D



It's true that we teach our kids in the schools just facts and don't give them practical knowledge, which they can use in the society.
We have followers, not leaders and this is specially visible in the politics.
How to change it?
Political system is not issue here but education.
Compare the best education system in the Europe, Finland, and our country, Croatia, and everything will be clear.
We need to start with small kids, and give them freedom in the schools, guide them to explore and question everything, not just to remember facts.
Such kids will be further leaders, not followers.




Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: audaciousbeing on December 10, 2016, 06:57:16 PM
Democracy to me is still the best form of government to me. There is a saying for countries that have witnessed quite a number of coups that "the worst democracy is better than the best military government" for the fact that I have a choice to make of the notion that I have a choice to make in the governance of my country is enough reason why I choose democracy. Another is the of criticism where civilians can do against government and not scared of soldiers knocking on your door the next hour is enough.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Tyrantt on December 10, 2016, 07:53:28 PM
Democracy to me is still the best form of government to me. There is a saying for countries that have witnessed quite a number of coups that "the worst democracy is better than the best military government" for the fact that I have a choice to make of the notion that I have a choice to make in the governance of my country is enough reason why I choose democracy. Another is the of criticism where civilians can do against government and not scared of soldiers knocking on your door the next hour is enough.

Democrasy is not the best form of government at all in today's time. Why? Well because you havea lot more people than you did when democrazy was created and people can havfe a lot more power now, also democrazy is a lot more available to corruption.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: BADecker on December 10, 2016, 08:06:13 PM
Democracy to me is still the best form of government to me. There is a saying for countries that have witnessed quite a number of coups that "the worst democracy is better than the best military government" for the fact that I have a choice to make of the notion that I have a choice to make in the governance of my country is enough reason why I choose democracy. Another is the of criticism where civilians can do against government and not scared of soldiers knocking on your door the next hour is enough.

Democrasy is not the best form of government at all in today's time. Why? Well because you havea lot more people than you did when democrazy was created and people can havfe a lot more power now, also democrazy is a lot more available to corruption.

General democracy might not be the best form of government. But democracy as it is in America just might be. Why? Because the American democracy has a little twist to it that allows the people to overrule the government any time they want.

On top of this, we need to realize that the 12-person jury can overrule all laws. How to get an issue in front of a 12-person jury? File a claim of injury in a court of law, against government, or against a government person, and require a jury.


In addition, Federal Rules of court state that there need to be 4 things before court can even be held:
1. A complainant or claimant (plaintiff);
2. An accused (defendant);
3. REAL injury, harm or damage;
4. At least one witness, and evidence.
But if Government accuses you of anything, and you don't require these 4 things, they can do anything they want.

What this means is that most government laws don't have any affect on you. Why? What about a speeding stop? The fine is, say, $120 dollars. Have you harmed anyone or damaged his property? No? They don't have a case except if you don't require them to show real injury to someone.

How about smoking some pot at home? Did you harm anyone with real harm or damage? No? They don't have a case except if you don't require them to show real injury to someone.

"But I can't afford to fight them" Yes you can. You can require damages for them filing a false claim against you to the tune of:
1. Whatever your fine would have been - now you get it from them;
2. Loss of time, a job, and other damages they did to you by filing a false complaint against you;
3. Court costs;
4. Depending on the case, more $$$.

Your attorney is an officer of the court. His first obligation is to the court and not to you. If he won't require that they bring forward an injured person, he is screwing you. Fire him, and sue him for damages.

It's in the Federal Rules of Court. If they go against their own rules, sue them. Take them to court.

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Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: jovs on December 10, 2016, 11:28:59 PM
Democracy is an idea, the people should be able to decide what they want their country to do but so many times, the interests of the few overcome the interests of the many.
That is the main problem, direct democracy is something that must be improved in every country, things as referendums are a must!
Referendums must be optimized to cost less, aka. digital voting, volunteers etc. and require less signatures to be taken so the nation actually has the means to correct actions from politicians they do not support.

Elected politicians often forget that they are where they are to serve the nation and not vice versa and that's why direct democracy must be improved.
Democracy is a growing system, we had it for a long time but we must improve it so the individual has more power.

And yes, I still love it, although flawed, it's still the best system we have.
The current system of democracy does not meet their requirements. I believe that the government is the sphere which requires special education and does not tolerate publicity. For these purposes, democracy can be destructive.

Whose requirements?

Democracy can be destructive if implemented badly, corruption WILL happen if everything is not transparent, but this is not a problem of democracy but a problem of control.
On the other hand, a country can be destroyed if carelessly implemented democratic principles. All should be the measure. I think that the crisis of democracy is associated with the lack of communication of the politicians with the people.

That's exaclty what I said in my previous reply, direct democracy must increase as politicians often don't reprensent the will of the people who they're supposed to represent
I believe they should also be graded by the nation and their salary judged on the average grade
Most of them would probably starve,  so I'd put a min. and max. salary so they can at least eat  :D

Market competition is what improves everything, race to become the best, to earn the most by giving the buyer what he wants
And here we are the buyers
We pay them to represent us, if they do not do so we will grade them badly and they will earn less
At the new elections we will pick somebody else and he wouldn't give a damn for 4 years unless we had an option to decrease his salary
I have an idea of digitalazing the whole political process so politicians remain under control of the people during their 4 year rule, not just before the elections
Unfortunately, politics has become the clan business. Many politicians run the country with their families. I'm not a supporter of such dynasties, but admit that such an approach could facilitate dialogue between the authorities.

Political dynasties occur everywhere and politics is a battle of families. Democracy today is useless, it is just a guise but the truth remains that the people are less free, they become more closer to poverty and hardship while the oligarchs that rules the government enslaves them and enjoys a happy and luxurious life. Sometimes a communist country with a good leader brings more freedom to the people rather than a democratic country run by enslaving and corrupt individuals.
Communist ideology mixed with blood. Under the guise of beautiful words the Communists destroyed their state. Name one Communist country where the people lived well.
Why we must have a democracy?
Democracy gives citizens the ability to influence laws and policies through the election of representatives. Through support of certain candidates and public communication, citizens are able to influence the direction of economic, social and political values. Because of this power in the hands of everyday citizens, the theoretical political control of the country lies with the majority as opposed to a select few in power.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: coolcoinz on December 11, 2016, 12:13:52 AM
Why we must have a democracy?
Democracy gives citizens the ability to influence laws and policies through the election of representatives. Through support of certain candidates and public communication, citizens are able to influence the direction of economic, social and political values. Because of this power in the hands of everyday citizens, the theoretical political control of the country lies with the majority as opposed to a select few in power.

And the majority is what? Educated, intelligent group of responsible people? No, the majority is the mob, the easily influenced group that can be lead by money or promises that later become no more than a pile of crap. In every society there's much more illiterate morons than professors, which means that if they all cast a vote it will always be as the morons want it.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: sugarfly on December 11, 2016, 12:19:09 AM
What does democracy mean anymore?

When North Korea calls itself officially the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) then what does it even mean?

-sf-


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: BADecker on December 11, 2016, 01:49:25 AM
What does democracy mean anymore?

When North Korea calls itself officially the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) then what does it even mean?

-sf-

It means that there is only one person the people can vote for. In addition, they are required to vote or die.

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Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: sugarfly on December 11, 2016, 03:12:09 PM
What does democracy mean anymore?

When North Korea calls itself officially the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) then what does it even mean?

-sf-

It means that there is only one person the people can vote for. In addition, they are required to vote or die.

8)

Exactly, so the word democracy has no meaning or expectation of outcome.

It's like the word "relationship".
Can mean many things.
It can be a good one or an abusive one.

But the word itself gives no indication.

-sf-


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Daniel91 on December 11, 2016, 03:19:06 PM
What does democracy mean anymore?

When North Korea calls itself officially the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) then what does it even mean?

-sf-

It means that there is only one person the people can vote for. In addition, they are required to vote or die.

8)

Exactly, so the word democracy has no meaning or expectation of outcome.

It's like the word "relationship".
Can mean many things.
It can be a good one or an abusive one.

But the word itself gives no indication.

-sf-

Word democracy have real meaning.
It comes from Greek word ''demos'' which means people.
So, democracy means that people rule and can choose their political representatives.
Of course, democracy is not ideal political system and many leaders can abuse it but still we don't have anything better.
It's fact.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: sugarfly on December 11, 2016, 03:55:04 PM
Word democracy have real meaning.
It comes from Greek word ''demos'' which means people.
So, democracy means that people rule and can choose their political representatives.
Of course, democracy is not ideal political system and many leaders can abuse it but still we don't have anything better.
It's fact.


George Orwell has taught us how TPTB want to manipulate people.

Of all government forms democracy sure has the best propaganda.

They make you give away your power, and give you back "voting".
They want to make you think that you are still in power now that you can "vote".

But nothing could be further from the truth.

-sf-


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: BADecker on December 11, 2016, 07:42:23 PM
Word democracy have real meaning.
It comes from Greek word ''demos'' which means people.
So, democracy means that people rule and can choose their political representatives.
Of course, democracy is not ideal political system and many leaders can abuse it but still we don't have anything better.
It's fact.


George Orwell has taught us how TPTB want to manipulate people.

Of all government forms democracy sure has the best propaganda.

They make you give away your power, and give you back "voting".
They want to make you think that you are still in power now that you can "vote".

But nothing could be further from the truth.

-sf-

In America, the people are above the Government democracy. Read my post at the bottom of this link to see how https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1710578.msg17152909#msg17152909.

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Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Gasturcas on December 11, 2016, 08:27:50 PM
Democracy is good because it brightens the streets and highways. Up and down the tarmacadam, billboards of happy, smiley faces declare a zest for life wrapped in a slogan that commits said face to a duty of "BUILDING THE FUTURE", "SECURING THE FUTURE, MOVING FORWARD", or any other form of propulsion.  Another one is that we can smile back at said faces and reply, Do they take us for fools?


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Tyrantt on December 11, 2016, 11:01:09 PM
Word democracy have real meaning.
It comes from Greek word ''demos'' which means people.
So, democracy means that people rule and can choose their political representatives.
Of course, democracy is not ideal political system and many leaders can abuse it but still we don't have anything better.
It's fact.


George Orwell has taught us how TPTB want to manipulate people.

Of all government forms democracy sure has the best propaganda.

They make you give away your power, and give you back "voting".
They want to make you think that you are still in power now that you can "vote".

But nothing could be further from the truth.

-sf-
Heck, that is so true, In most countries the "high" jobs such as city mayor are still indirectly chosen by the elites, and not by the actual people living there. Is that what you call democracy? Us civilians have literally 0 input in that process (It all depends on where you live ofcourse)  (whom we want taking that Mayor seat), while i think we should have.

That's the true problem of democracy in todays modern world. When democracy was invented you didn't have nearly as much people as you do now, and back then it was easier to come up to the one single mutual idea, but now... now it's just the corruption at it's finest.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Blackdeath on December 17, 2016, 03:50:55 AM
Word democracy have real meaning.
It comes from Greek word ''demos'' which means people.
So, democracy means that people rule and can choose their political representatives.
Of course, democracy is not ideal political system and many leaders can abuse it but still we don't have anything better.
It's fact.


George Orwell has taught us how TPTB want to manipulate people.

Of all government forms democracy sure has the best propaganda.

They make you give away your power, and give you back "voting".
They want to make you think that you are still in power now that you can "vote".

But nothing could be further from the truth.

-sf-
Heck, that is so true, In most countries the "high" jobs such as city mayor are still indirectly chosen by the elites, and not by the actual people living there. Is that what you call democracy? Us civilians have literally 0 input in that process (It all depends on where you live ofcourse)  (whom we want taking that Mayor seat), while i think we should have.

That's the true problem of democracy in todays modern world. When democracy was invented you didn't have nearly as much people as you do now, and back then it was easier to come up to the one single mutual idea, but now... now it's just the corruption at it's finest.
Yes, the more people in official in government, the more corruptions will occur. It's better for me a corrupt dictator but has an intact leaderdhip. Hence, country will move up.
Also, the lesser the official, the lesser the expenses which means mire budget in improving a country.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Seeker#9 on December 20, 2016, 12:34:15 PM
Democracy means freedom. I will only fully believe in democracy if the real freedom is acheved like freedom from poverty, freedom from criminality, freedom from graft and corruption, freedom from war and other much needed freedoms.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Sithara007 on December 20, 2016, 02:20:30 PM
Democracy means freedom. I will only fully believe in democracy if the real freedom is acheved like freedom from poverty, freedom from criminality, freedom from graft and corruption, freedom from war and other much needed freedoms.

Democracy is a failed ideology. It encourages ethnic polarization and uncontrolled population growth. More population means more votes, and more votes mean more power. In third world countries, people indulge in uncontrolled population explosion, so that they could capture power through democracy.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: just_Alice on December 20, 2016, 02:29:30 PM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.

I can see your point. I love democracy too. Despite all the flaws it has, you at least won't be put in jail for using Bitcoin in a democratic country. And I agree that some people sell their freedom for the food and seeming security. It is their choice to make of course but I think it's not worth it.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Daniel91 on December 20, 2016, 03:10:59 PM
Word democracy have real meaning.
It comes from Greek word ''demos'' which means people.
So, democracy means that people rule and can choose their political representatives.
Of course, democracy is not ideal political system and many leaders can abuse it but still we don't have anything better.
It's fact.


George Orwell has taught us how TPTB want to manipulate people.

Of all government forms democracy sure has the best propaganda.

They make you give away your power, and give you back "voting".
They want to make you think that you are still in power now that you can "vote".

But nothing could be further from the truth.

-sf-
Heck, that is so true, In most countries the "high" jobs such as city mayor are still indirectly chosen by the elites, and not by the actual people living there. Is that what you call democracy? Us civilians have literally 0 input in that process (It all depends on where you live ofcourse)  (whom we want taking that Mayor seat), while i think we should have.

That's the true problem of democracy in todays modern world. When democracy was invented you didn't have nearly as much people as you do now, and back then it was easier to come up to the one single mutual idea, but now... now it's just the corruption at it's finest.
Yes, the more people in official in government, the more corruptions will occur. It's better for me a corrupt dictator but has an intact leaderdhip. Hence, country will move up.
Also, the lesser the official, the lesser the expenses which means mire budget in improving a country.


Yes, you are right partially, that we have a lot corruption in democracy, a lot fights, injustice etc.
But.... can you really compare life in democracy with life of average person 500 years ago?
Or 2 000 years ago?
Even democracy is not perfect yet, quality of our life is much better than before.
If not democracy, than, what is alternative?
Please, show me?
Anarchy?



Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Mersedes on December 20, 2016, 09:50:32 PM
Democracy means freedom. I will only fully believe in democracy if the real freedom is acheved like freedom from poverty, freedom from criminality, freedom from graft and corruption, freedom from war and other much needed freedoms.

Democracy is a failed ideology. It encourages ethnic polarization and uncontrolled population growth. More population means more votes, and more votes mean more power. In third world countries, people indulge in uncontrolled population explosion, so that they could capture power through democracy.
Not all third countries are experiencing a population explosion. In RUSSIA, for example no such problem. However, there is also no democracy. I don't really like democracy, but people don't come up with anything better.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: petsae on December 20, 2016, 10:13:31 PM
It is not perfect, but no one has invented a better system for now.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: BADecker on December 21, 2016, 02:22:13 AM
It is not perfect, but no one has invented a better system for now.

Better system is republic. Complete freedom except if you intentionally injure someone. Enslavement and punishment only if you injure someone.

8)


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: the rise on December 21, 2016, 04:51:01 AM
It is not perfect, but no one has invented a better system for now.

Better system is republic. Complete freedom except if you intentionally injure someone. Enslavement and punishment only if you injure someone.

8)

I think democracy remains an integral part of the republic, democracy is a system of society and the government to control them with a range of policy and legal literature. I am grateful to live in a democracy, freedom of speech to be given the right to legal protection and are not strictly limited.

If we live in north korea, let alone use bitcoin, internet and social media are restricted full, we like living at a time in the past ???


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Sithara007 on December 21, 2016, 11:27:01 AM
Democracy means freedom. I will only fully believe in democracy if the real freedom is acheved like freedom from poverty, freedom from criminality, freedom from graft and corruption, freedom from war and other much needed freedoms.

Democracy is a failed ideology. It encourages ethnic polarization and uncontrolled population growth. More population means more votes, and more votes mean more power. In third world countries, people indulge in uncontrolled population explosion, so that they could capture power through democracy.
Not all third countries are experiencing a population explosion. In RUSSIA, for example no such problem. However, there is also no democracy. I don't really like democracy, but people don't come up with anything better.

In Russia, there is neither population growth, nor population decline. Compare that to the shit hole called Ukraine (does not deserve to be called a third world country, should be a fourth world nation). The Ukrainian population is declining by some 200,000 per year.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: ekaterina77 on December 21, 2016, 01:25:27 PM
Democracy means freedom. I will only fully believe in democracy if the real freedom is acheved like freedom from poverty, freedom from criminality, freedom from graft and corruption, freedom from war and other much needed freedoms.

Democracy is a failed ideology. It encourages ethnic polarization and uncontrolled population growth. More population means more votes, and more votes mean more power. In third world countries, people indulge in uncontrolled population explosion, so that they could capture power through democracy.
Not all third countries are experiencing a population explosion. In RUSSIA, for example no such problem. However, there is also no democracy. I don't really like democracy, but people don't come up with anything better.

In Russia, there is neither population growth, nor population decline. Compare that to the shit hole called Ukraine (does not deserve to be called a third world country, should be a fourth world nation). The Ukrainian population is declining by some 200,000 per year.
You have in Russia the population growth rate of 95.5% due to migration. If you use your expression "hole" Russia is consistent with this definition. The more that the illegal annexation of the Crimea has allowed to level statistics.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: tetrisbattle on March 02, 2017, 12:20:27 PM
its good to be democratic people of the country can have free expression also have a choice to select their president


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Forester618 on March 02, 2017, 12:27:42 PM
its good to be democratic people of the country can have free expression also have a choice to select their president
Sorry to choose the President this is not enough. Democracy allows the people to recall the President if he cheated on the election. It seems to me that the absence of such a mechanism allows you to save money in the elections, but sometimes leads to more serious consequences in the form of revolution.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Tyrantt on March 02, 2017, 01:51:41 PM
its good to be democratic people of the country can have free expression also have a choice to select their president

No, it was good back then when there we a lot, a lot of smaller numbers of people when they could unite under one idea, now it's impossible or very hard so democracy isn't that good of an option no more.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Xester on March 02, 2017, 02:12:38 PM
Democracy means freedom. I will only fully believe in democracy if the real freedom is acheved like freedom from poverty, freedom from criminality, freedom from graft and corruption, freedom from war and other much needed freedoms.


Democracy is good if it is real democracy. There are many kinds of democracy and the most famous are the two democracy as a tool for corrupt people to bribe people to vote for them in the election so they can usurp funds and enjoy the money of the people. The second one is the real democracy wherein capable leaders are running in the election for the purpose of giving a true dedicated service for the people and not for personal gains. Other kind of democracy is not so famous but is just a creation of the superpower countries so they can have control over the resources of the country.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Alexzap on March 02, 2017, 02:19:32 PM
Democracy means freedom. I will only fully believe in democracy if the real freedom is acheved like freedom from poverty, freedom from criminality, freedom from graft and corruption, freedom from war and other much needed freedoms.


Democracy is good if it is real democracy. There are many kinds of democracy and the most famous are the two democracy as a tool for corrupt people to bribe people to vote for them in the election so they can usurp funds and enjoy the money of the people. The second one is the real democracy wherein capable leaders are running in the election for the purpose of giving a true dedicated service for the people and not for personal gains. Other kind of democracy is not so famous but is just a creation of the superpower countries so they can have control over the resources of the country.
You are describing is not democracy, but the behavior of people who are using democratic principles, want to come to power. In the first case you describe populists, and in the second case all politicians. Who of contemporary politicians does not use power to generate income? And this applies to any political system.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Boov on June 15, 2017, 08:02:54 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.

Democracy has a lot of bright side. It prevents those who are in authority to abuse their power and gives the majority group of people to be heard. But, the dark side is, people often over use their rights without counting their responsibilities. Democracy is good if both the government and the people work together. I still love democracy but it should be a democracy with discipline.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Daniel91 on June 15, 2017, 08:10:51 AM
I agree that democracy is not perfect political system but what is alternative to democracy?
Anarchism?
Communism?
Dictatorship?
We have already tried all these systems and the results were catastrophic.
Millions of people were killed in communism, social progress was stopped, every freedom was abolished...
The same we can say for any other political system.
So, even if democracy is not perfect, I preferred it.
Alternatives are much worse.



Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: gabmen on June 15, 2017, 10:11:36 AM
I agree that democracy is not perfect political system but what is alternative to democracy?
Anarchism?
Communism?
Dictatorship?
We have already tried all these systems and the results were catastrophic.
Millions of people were killed in communism, social progress was stopped, every freedom was abolished...
The same we can say for any other political system.
So, even if democracy is not perfect, I preferred it.
Alternatives are much worse.



I agree. The problem is that there are a lot of poloticians and people in power to abuse democracy and that puts it in bad light. Freedom to live a life you chise is a gift that many of our forefathers fought for. The sad part is that a few people manipulate democracy to oppress or corrupt people below them. Though i also don't see any choice aside from this.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: machinek20 on June 15, 2017, 11:09:31 AM
Democracy is a good way to run the country, it gaves eveyone the right to participate in developing the country, democracy can makes the relationship between the government and citizen has a strong bond, but sometimes people tend to abuse the democracy system, because government doesn't got the total power, so sometimes democracy can cause riot


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Lieldoryn on June 15, 2017, 12:34:32 PM
Democracy is a good way to run the country, it gaves eveyone the right to participate in developing the country, democracy can makes the relationship between the government and citizen has a strong bond, but sometimes people tend to abuse the democracy system, because government doesn't got the total power, so sometimes democracy can cause riot
You are too optimistic in relation to democracy. In a democracy, have all the same problems as in an autocratic state, only they are more veiled. For the state, the dictatorship even more convenient. In such a state harder to live as a free people, but it's easier to maintain order.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Chelobiz on June 15, 2017, 12:54:20 PM
Democracy only means: Majority rules. When a small group of powerful individuals control what everyone needs and another small group of corrupt individuals represents the people and electing (not voting on issues) is the only power of the people, then democracy is nothing but a vain word, an empty promise, a sleeping pill for the masses.
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Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: killgald on June 15, 2017, 08:17:21 PM
Well is the actual political status or program that works for much of the first worlds countrys so, yes i still love democracy :)


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: iapple571 on June 16, 2017, 03:21:33 AM
Like many other things in history, the idea or the roots of it weren't bad at all.
We always see for ourselves and distort things.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Sadlife on June 16, 2017, 04:14:17 AM
There is no such things as democracy this is what they call "illusion of freedom." Democracy is nothing but a lie made up by our corrupted politicians for them to easily rule us and control us. That laws they've implemented is meant to benefit themselves while some leader talk about peace and elimanating poverty but the the truth they're sitting in a pile of cash taken from their people. In the end sweet words and promises of change is just a way to convince us to vote for them. The illusion of free will to chose what path we chose it nothing but a lie, our future is determined by our government even our jobs, religion, money is all controlled by them.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Idrisu on June 16, 2017, 10:41:41 AM
Well, to me it seems that most of the countries which claim to be democratic are run by corporate interests nowadays. I like the idea of democracy but I'm not sure if it's being implemented anywhere right now.
Democracy government is actually the best set of government but is always be control by evil people and " corporate interest. The evil politicians well always influence the mind of voters through financial or position interest, and by so doing work themselves into power and rule like king and lord to the voters.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Monta3002 on June 16, 2017, 02:11:07 PM
I still love democracy than dictatorship. In democracy people will vote if who is the leader that will elect and the government must communicate to people or citizens because the government dont have all the control. But the sad thing is other politicians buying votes.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: BADecker on June 16, 2017, 02:46:58 PM
I still love democracy than dictatorship. In democracy people will vote if who is the leader that will elect and the government must communicate to people or citizens because the government dont have all the control. But the sad thing is other politicians buying votes.

Democracy is simply dictatorship by the majority.

Libertarianism is freedom for all, as long as a person doesn't harm his neighbor.

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Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: snorlaxwithhat on June 17, 2017, 12:34:59 AM
The problem is that proposals change with time.
When you talk about freedom and benefits for people it sounds so cool and the idea of it working is even better.
But like they say, humans can be our best allies as our destroyers.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: NJB18 on June 17, 2017, 03:54:18 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.

Aristotle does not consider democracy good. He equated it with mob rule. He preferred what he called polity. When polity goes wrong it turns into a democracy.

Depending on how you look at it, democracy could actually be considered mob rule. In my country, a democratic one, the majority of the people shall be followed. Vox Populi vox dei they say. That's exactly the spirit of democracy, right? However, if you take a closer look at such a democratic practice on the ground level, you will be disappointed.

People are choosing leaders not on platforms, proposed policies, social vision, and the like. They choose out of patronage and out of money. Elections are too partisan. From the village level to the municipal, to the provincial, up to the national, people are like gangs trying to recruit as many as possible. The hell they care about anything else, the most important thing is that the government rein will fall to their hands.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: BADecker on June 17, 2017, 03:57:53 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.

I don't want 51% of the people telling me what to do because I was in the 49%.

Forget democracy. Let freedom reign. The only time that government takes freedom away from someone, is when that person takes freedom away from someone else. Then the jury decides who is guilty.

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Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: bakkang on June 17, 2017, 07:30:19 AM
As democracy means rule of people ... That is of the people for the people and by the people. Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens participate equally—either directly or through elected representatives. Democracy is the best form of government simply because no other form of government is known to work well.
Yes I still love democracy because with this I continually enjoy my rights especially right to expression, right to informed, right to choose the person who leads you in a successful country. 


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: copperKO on June 17, 2017, 12:43:18 PM
We will not reach a perfect final system. Democracy will eventually evolve into something better, probably after a few setbacks along the way (Trump?). Don't get attached to it.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: kodes88 on June 17, 2017, 06:51:50 PM
Democracy is a good way to run the country, it gaves eveyone the right to participate in developing the country, democracy can makes the relationship between the government and citizen has a strong bond, but sometimes people tend to abuse the democracy system, because government doesn't got the total power, so sometimes democracy can cause riot
You are too optimistic in relation to democracy. In a democracy, have all the same problems as in an autocratic state, only they are more veiled. For the state, the dictatorship even more convenient. In such a state harder to live as a free people, but it's easier to maintain order.
yes,i agree with you man.. democratic will make people feel free,goverment too weak to take decision for their civilian,because they need to hear from many side,from minister around president,and i agree if dictatorship more convinent for some country,it more quick and assertive to make good law for people.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: joebrook on June 17, 2017, 07:17:23 PM
One thing i admire about democracy is that it protects human rights, it gives freedom to the people, but one thing i despise about Democracy is that it makes governing very tedious, Many Leaders would want to do so many things to help the people, but they are limited most of the times, especially they have a small majority in the senate, the opposition will do everything to hinder it though it will result in the good of all.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Love! on June 17, 2017, 07:46:02 PM
some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

Welcome to America. Only it's not state power, but corporate power. The state is in the back pocket of the major corporations.

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there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.


Again, welcome to America. The truth takes a back seat while comfort drives the car, and the Americans who tolerate it are the destination. Hell, some of them even give directions to make sure they get to them.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Nikola95 on June 17, 2017, 09:18:38 PM
Democracy does not mean that those who rule are coming from people. Especially if country is big and if there is lot of big companies and banks. But democracy is definitely best for living.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: soul-impact on June 18, 2017, 04:00:01 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.
I agree with you! I also like democracy, everyone wants to be fair in everything. You have to do the things you like, participate in social networking sites. Initially there are people who oppose bicoin but I still pursue bitcoin because it is your democracy.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: zabragoil on June 18, 2017, 11:39:15 PM
the concept of democracy is actually great but in my opinion real democracy doesn´t exist


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: BADecker on June 19, 2017, 12:25:05 AM
some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

Welcome to America. Only it's not state power, but corporate power. The state is in the back pocket of the major corporations.

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there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.


Again, welcome to America. The truth takes a back seat while comfort drives the car, and the Americans who tolerate it are the destination. Hell, some of them even give directions to make sure they get to them.

In America, the people don't understand the real power that they have. Their power over Government lies in several things:
1. Common law Court of Record;
2. Be present in court, not represented in any way;
3. 12-person jury rules in everything;
4. A claim is more powerful than a complaint;
5. The accuser is required to take the oath and get on the stand and testify against you, but if the accuser is the Unites States or a State, it can't. Government has no case.

There are more. If the people knew, there would be nothing stopping their ability to change anything through the court system.

This isn't democracy rule. This is people rule. Without understanding and using all this, the democracy rules.

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Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: BADecker on June 19, 2017, 12:34:30 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.
I agree with you! I also like democracy, everyone wants to be fair in everything. You have to do the things you like, participate in social networking sites. Initially there are people who oppose bicoin but I still pursue bitcoin because it is your democracy.


Democracy is formally majority rule. Behind the scenes, it is Government dictatorial rule. I would rather have freedom than democracy. Only the wealthy really love democracy. The poor love freedom.

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Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: jettaheader on June 19, 2017, 04:02:53 AM
of course no, democracy is broken, maybe it worked years ago, but now it doesnt, i personally think that capitalism may work


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: ecnalubma on June 19, 2017, 04:13:46 AM
Democracy does not exist, only it will become available if no leaders exist in every country. But there's nothing wrong of having leaders as long as they serve well and provide good services for the people and incorruptible.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: skymberloh on June 20, 2017, 01:27:50 AM
i like the idea of democracy. which we people could really express our views and opinions. In this way government would hear the sentiment of people living in the society because often only the higher position has the right to say so.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: BADecker on June 21, 2017, 01:19:32 AM
Democracy Is A Front For Central Bank Rule (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/220174-2017-06-20-democracy-is-a-front-for-central-bank-rule.htm)


https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/533-0620102102-images.jpg (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/220174-2017-06-20-democracy-is-a-front-for-central-bank-rule.htm)


RT asked me if the Fed was going to raise interest rates. I answered that the purpose of low interest rates was to restore the solvency of the balance sheets of the "banks too big to fail" by raising debt prices. The lower the interest rate, the higher the prices of debt instruments. The Fed drives bond prices up by purchasing bonds, and the Fed raises interest rates by selling bonds, or by purchasing fewer of them than previously.

I told RT that a real increase in interest rates would undercut the Fed's policy of rescuing the balance sheets of the big banks whose balance sheets were loaded up with bad debt that desperately needed a rise in debt prices for the banks to remain solvent.

When shortly thereafter the Fed raised the overnight funds rate, it blew my credibility with RT. RT did not understand that real interest rates had not increased. Indeed, two days after the "rate increase" the nominal interest rate had not changed. It was still 18 basis points. The announced rate had gone from the old range of zero to 25 basis points to a new range of 25 basis points to 50 basis points. The former max was the current minimum.


Read more at http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/06/19/democracy-front-central-bank-rule/.


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Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Okurkabinladin on June 21, 2017, 01:55:58 AM
some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

Welcome to America. Only it's not state power, but corporate power. The state is in the back pocket of the major corporations.

Quote

there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.


Again, welcome to America. The truth takes a back seat while comfort drives the car, and the Americans who tolerate it are the destination. Hell, some of them even give directions to make sure they get to them.

During the post-World War II reconstruction period in Europe, corporatism was favoured by Christian democrats (often under the influence of Catholic social teaching), national conservatives, and social democrats in opposition to liberal capitalism. This type of corporatism became unfashionable but revived again in the 1960s and 1970s as "neo-corporatism" in response to the new economic threat of recession-inflation.

Neo-corporatism favoured economic tripartism which involved strong labour unions, employers' unions, and governments that cooperated as "social partners" to negotiate and manage a national economy. Social corporatist systems instituted in Europe after World War II include the ordoliberal system of the social market economy in Germany, the social partnership in Ireland, the polder model in the Netherlands (although arguably the polder model already was present at the end of the First World War, it was not until after WW II that a social service system gained foothold there), the concertation system in Italy, the Rhine model in Switzerland and the Benelux countries, and the Nordic model in Scandinavia.

Attempts in the United States to create neo-corporatist capital-labor arrangements were unsuccessfully advocated by Gary Hart and Michael Dukakis in the 1980s. Robert Reich as U.S. Secretary of Labor during the Clinton administration promoted neo-corporatist reforms.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Tyrantt on June 21, 2017, 02:41:18 AM
I've never liked democracy, it could never satisfy people because it gives them the right to speak about it and think they can have any influence on it. It could have worked back in the time when there was far less people in the country/society, but now not so much.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: dylanc on June 21, 2017, 05:56:52 PM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.

Yes, still love democracy. It has been proven to be the most effective system of governance thus far.

Unfortunately, there will be some leaders who abuse the notion of democracy. I think the key is to have robust safeguards in the system to prevent such abuses of power.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: rjbtc2017 on June 22, 2017, 09:47:19 AM
Democracy does not mean that those who rule are coming from people. Especially if country is big and if there is lot of big companies and banks. But democracy is definitely best for living.
I should agree, but the another weakness of democracy is having non-educated, fake-news believer co-nation, just like my country lot of my county men are gullible to believe in fake news.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: seojp on June 22, 2017, 09:58:00 AM
Yes Because democracy is the best form of government everybody has a freedom. Freedom of speech,  freedom of expression and all forms of freedom. But Too much freedom will cause crime and corruption that is why We need to balance the strict and the freedom to achieve that we need to discipline ourselves.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: friscomuted on June 23, 2017, 12:07:14 AM
I love democrat system, modern democracy is just not what it was originally for. It's a shame.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Bitmedrano040117 on June 30, 2017, 11:08:55 PM
Well, to me it seems that most of the countries which claim to be democratic are run by corporate interests nowadays. I like the idea of democracy but I'm not sure if it's being implemented anywhere right now.
The world democracy, is the one I like. But that was before, because the officials of our government for the past 30years they abused it. Ad they always said that our country was  under a democracy rules but the truth is not. And right now, we are under in federalism which I saw that we are in the tract to this system now.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Shamie1002 on July 01, 2017, 01:02:38 AM
Democracy is a good thing. I am still thankful that democracy happened. Though I know Govenment and having a President as a ruler still means manipulation atleast we still have a freedom to voice out and let people agree or disagree with it. Thoughts are shared and we learn more from it. Like I said, it is a good thing, people should just use it more wisely. If people think less about themselves all the time, maybe it would be a better place. If I may add, when I said "less about themselves" I am not saying give your food to others and starve. I'm just saying no selfishness and I hope those who are in need don't get spoiled upon recieving and JUST recieving.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: zhuiyi on July 01, 2017, 02:00:56 AM
Democracy is relative, for me, the United States is a relatively democratic country, because I am from China ::)


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: xskl0 on July 01, 2017, 10:23:15 AM
Democracy is a bad sistem. The vote of Beethoven or Schopenhauer can't have the same importance than the vote of a drunk person. People who understand about politics shoud decide what is the better for the nation if this don't happen media and secret societies will manipulate people.
PS: in the ancient Greek democracy slaves didn't vote.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Lieldoryn on July 01, 2017, 11:17:43 AM
Democracy is a bad sistem. The vote of Beethoven or Schopenhauer can't have the same importance than the vote of a drunk person. People who understand about politics shoud decide what is the better for the nation if this don't happen media and secret societies will manipulate people.
PS: in the ancient Greek democracy slaves didn't vote.
I have a question for you how will you determine who a slave and have no voice, and who is not a slave and their voice matter? If you are so familiar with the story, you should know that under such a system there is always the danger of a slave rebellion.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: kuishen on July 01, 2017, 12:53:11 PM
Democracy can reflect the whole country of a nation, a democratic country can its people be happy, so I yearn for a democratic country.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Daniel91 on July 01, 2017, 03:47:33 PM
Democracy is a bad sistem. The vote of Beethoven or Schopenhauer can't have the same importance than the vote of a drunk person. People who understand about politics shoud decide what is the better for the nation if this don't happen media and secret societies will manipulate people.
PS: in the ancient Greek democracy slaves didn't vote.

So, what is the solution than?
How you will decide who should be slave and who should be master?
By definition, in democracy everybody have the same rights.
So, you don't talk about democracy here.
It's some kind of dictatorship.
Unless you suggest something better than democracy, some better political system, I don't think you will find a lot of supporters here.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: xskl0 on July 01, 2017, 07:12:52 PM
Democracy is a bad sistem. The vote of Beethoven or Schopenhauer can't have the same importance than the vote of a drunk person. People who understand about politics shoud decide what is the better for the nation if this don't happen media and secret societies will manipulate people.
PS: in the ancient Greek democracy slaves didn't vote.

So, what is the solution than?
How you will decide who should be slave and who should be master?
By definition, in democracy everybody have the same rights.
So, you don't talk about democracy here.
It's some kind of dictatorship.
Unless you suggest something better than democracy, some better political system, I don't think you will find a lot of supporters here.

I think a country shoud have one strong leader and the method to decide who is this leader shoud be like the system to elect a pope in the catolic church


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Daniel91 on July 01, 2017, 08:48:24 PM
Democracy is a bad sistem. The vote of Beethoven or Schopenhauer can't have the same importance than the vote of a drunk person. People who understand about politics shoud decide what is the better for the nation if this don't happen media and secret societies will manipulate people.
PS: in the ancient Greek democracy slaves didn't vote.

So, what is the solution than?
How you will decide who should be slave and who should be master?
By definition, in democracy everybody have the same rights.
So, you don't talk about democracy here.
It's some kind of dictatorship.
Unless you suggest something better than democracy, some better political system, I don't think you will find a lot of supporters here.

I think a country shoud have one strong leader and the method to decide who is this leader shoud be like the system to elect a pope in the catolic church

So, you are talking about free elections and voting and we already have it in every democratic country in the world.
I also think that many countries have strong and good leaders in the world :)


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: petreajs on July 01, 2017, 09:11:13 PM
A democratic country is cool
Would not refuse to live in such a


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Hazir on July 01, 2017, 09:16:05 PM
Democracy is no longer working as intended. Heck, it was even criticised in ancient Greece by philosophers like Socrates.
I will ask you a question - how exactly democracy works? It is proven that majority of votes are idiots or people who are easily bribed by populistic ideas.
Democracy = rule of the man who gives people candies because society won't be able to accept a doctor who will help them, but at the same time offers them a bitter pill.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: earthpocket on July 01, 2017, 09:47:00 PM
I still love it, if it if well applied there is nothing to worry about. Not the case of our systems.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: petreajs on July 02, 2017, 08:54:54 AM
We all are looking for love. And entering into a relationship with a person, experiencing some strong feelings towards him, we think that we love. If these relationships often hurt us, we get the idea that love is torture, almost a disease.
Indeed, perhaps your relationship is sick. Only, most likely, the correct name is not "love", but "dependence."


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: matuson on July 02, 2017, 09:14:29 AM
Democracy is no longer working as intended. Heck, it was even criticised in ancient Greece by philosophers like Socrates.
I will ask you a question - how exactly democracy works? It is proven that majority of votes are idiots or people who are easily bribed by populistic ideas.
Democracy = rule of the man who gives people candies because society won't be able to accept a doctor who will help them, but at the same time offers them a bitter pill.
Nothing better than democracy the people have not invented. Indeed, in a society where the majority of people are corrupt idiots, but it's not only the fault of them. It is the fault of each of us. People get that way because we don't pay attention to them and actually renounce them. Of course they pay us the same.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: greenmagnus on July 02, 2017, 09:51:27 AM
Still loving it, I mean the Democracy.
It has proper checks and balances at its core, hence a country with good foundations and principles should be able to thrive in democratic political system. Well, there's Mr. Trump, who is breaking away from usual norms and precedence (Not Presidence) :).  We will see where the Murica goes in coming days. Usually the irony is the passage of 'Emergency Laws' often passed to protect the citizens that lead to almost autocratic systems within democracy. Can think of Turkey these days, No offense Turkey :D


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Xavofat on July 02, 2017, 10:09:13 AM
A lot of people claim that Churchill said "Democracy is the best form of government, except for all the others".

It's mainly about what kind of democracy you prefer.  Some socialist systems have systems of economic democracy, such as voting for factory managers and having other powers in the workplace.

The problem is when people equate democracy with capitalism.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Rhosadah on July 02, 2017, 11:26:30 AM
Democratization on the basis of true freedom in proposing rights and opinions, but we must be more accustomed to democratization.
Do not get too far in interpreting what demokerasi is.
There are now many countries that adopt a democratic system in which a president, governor, regent, mayor may even be directly elected by his people.
I think this is a very good system


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: rjbtc2017 on July 03, 2017, 01:18:27 AM
Democracy is no longer working as intended. Heck, it was even criticised in ancient Greece by philosophers like Socrates.
I will ask you a question - how exactly democracy works? It is proven that majority of votes are idiots or people who are easily bribed by populistic ideas.
Democracy = rule of the man who gives people candies because society won't be able to accept a doctor who will help them, but at the same time offers them a bitter pill.
Here in my country, a lot of idiots voting politician that are celebrity on the past or have a good looking, having a good sex appeal.
So yes, democracy is not for idiots.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Kulang on July 28, 2017, 05:45:39 PM
Democracy is no longer working as intended. Heck, it was even criticised in ancient Greece by philosophers like Socrates.
I will ask you a question - how exactly democracy works? It is proven that majority of votes are idiots or people who are easily bribed by populistic ideas.
Democracy = rule of the man who gives people candies because society won't be able to accept a doctor who will help them, but at the same time offers them a bitter pill.
Here in my country, a lot of idiots voting politician that are celebrity on the past or have a good looking, having a good sex appeal.
So yes, democracy is not for idiots.
Here in my country too. People have been voting or electing officials that are really not suitable to the position and capable of doing what the position demands. Some of our politicians are celebrities who haven't study anything related to politics or law. Sportsman who is greedy of a position and always add God on his arguments. I mean, yes, God must not be forgotten but some of his points are really pointless and useless that all you can do is to face palm. And those who are really suitable for the position were not elected because they are not famous or they do not have lots of money to give away. I love democracy because you can do what you want and express what you want but when it comes to electing public officials that will lead the country, we really has to be more strict with it.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Pisrem29 on July 28, 2017, 08:38:41 PM
Democracy is terrible idea in todays time, because one can get so much more power today then he could back then and a good number of politicians today are corrupt.
It's not system's fault, human always turn good things into harm-negative ones.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: popcorn1 on July 28, 2017, 09:35:58 PM
Charlie Gard parents announce death of 'beautiful boy' - BBC News
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40752120
3 hours ago - Charlie Gard, the baby at the centre of a legal row over his treatment, has died, a family spokesman has confirmed. The 11-month-old was ...

Shame the doctors who suppose to of cared for this child never understood DEMOCRACY ..

The PARENTS should of had the RIGHT to CHOOSE if they wanted to TRY and give their child another
treatment ..

The doctors said he was going to die SO what difference did it make to TRY?..
Plus your a DOCTOR and doctors are suppose to try EVERYTHING to make you LIVE..

And yes they done the same to this CHILD and this is what happened ..

Warned he would die by age 10, he just graduated college - CNN.com
edition.cnn.com/2017/05/12/health/ryan-dant-college-graduation.../index.html
13 May 2017 - Warned he would die by age 10, he just graduated college .... Click through our gallery to learn more about Ryan's life. ..... Over time, they would see him change. ... 'You have to understand, your son has a disease that is so rare that .... Ryan had been told that as soon as he could take a full course load, .

Why doctors get it wrong about when you will die | Life and style | The ...
https://www.theguardian.com › Lifestyle › Health & wellbeing
2 Jun 2015 - His mother says: “I am fighting for my child's life. ... It's difficult to predict exactly when a patient is going to die, or, sometimes, if they are going to die at all. ... Megrahi died two years and nine months after his release. ... But for comatose patients who have been rendered hypothermic, everything changes.


At seven months pregnant, Sandra Notman (right) had been told her baby girl Rachel (left) was so sick she'd be stillborn, or die shortly after birth
Understandably, she didn't want the pregnancy to go to full term, so asked if she could be induced two months early. Her consultant agreed.
Sandra's husband Andrew was by her side, and a priest waited to carry out a bedside baptism — naming the child Rachel.
Sandra and Andrew had also booked a funeral, ordered a tiny coffin and chosen a pretty dress in which to bury their daughter.
Yet tiny Rachel, weighing little over 2lb, was unexpectedly born alive, and was rushed into special care.
Her survival — against the odds and the predictions of well-intentioned doctors — is a 'sober warning bell', as one expert put it, reminding medics to consider carefully their advice in such cases.
Sandra, a former secretary, became pregnant with Rachel in 1991. She was 31, and Andrew, a company treasurer, was 30.




See also YOU GOT TO WATCH SOME DOCTORS..

Body parts are in high demand for BIG BUCKS and believe me people will do anything for money..

I mean we even have SLAVES in the 21st century in the UK :o :o..

You doctors who said no to letting charlies parents TRY need hanging ..
SCUM OF THE EARTH..

You should of said this ..I don't think it will work but it's up to YOU what do you want to do YOU
are the PARENTS so you will have to make that DECISION ...

BUT NO ..You decided not the parents so now they will have to live with that sorrow till the day they die..THE WHAT IF the treatment would of worked...

You have been wrong many a time YES YOU HAVE >:( >:(..

I hope you fall over and break your NECK.. ;)..

YOU SHOULD OF LET THE PARENTS DECIDE..

BUT the worst was when you said TIME AS RUN OUT..

You CHEEKY FUCKERS..
Wouldn't of run out if you would of let him go in the FIRST PLACE..

TIME AS RUN OUT >:( >:(..Wasted 6 months TIME AS RUN OUT..

You cheeky FUCKERS..

I hope the doctors get spat at or knocked out >:(..

YES FUCK YOU TO SCUM BAGS ..

PARENTS DECIDE ..What was the difference you made him suffer 6 FUCKING MONTHS ..
He could of went when first heard of this treatment it made no difference YOU was letting him DIE anyways so what was the difference in TRYING ..

You bastards said he is suffering SO WHY MAKE HIM SUFFER FOR 6 MONTHS in court battles ..

You had no rights ..

So doctors are the LAW?..
I mean how many have been so WRONG?..

And the law is suppose to be right NOT sometimes RIGHT..

I wouldn't put my child in that hospital NO WAY..MONEY VAMPIRE DOCTORS ..


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: popcorn1 on July 28, 2017, 09:51:41 PM
TO THE LAW.. >:( >:( Do you remember this case?..

28 Nov 2016 - Police officer and Gulf War veteran was left in a coma after a crash in 2015. ... Court will be asked this week to turn off life support for Wirral dad Paul Briggs ... Family handout of Gulf War veteran Paul Briggs, 43, with his wife Lindsey ... for Lindsey and Paul's family and Lindsey just wants what is best for him.

Now the doctors was saying he could get better but his wife was saying he will be a cabbage and he always said he would rather die..

Now she went to COURT and won the RIGHT to let him DIE even though the doctors wanted him to live..

NOW about the law WHO IS RIGHT..

You see the law doing 2 DIFFERENT THINGS but the same CHOICE..

Like banning smoking BUT letting 1 person do it even though the LAW is no smoking for everyone..

One rule for one and one rule for another..

SO YOU THE LAW FUCKED UP..

You let the policeman wife DECIDE over a doctor BUT not charlies parents ..

SO WHAT IS THE LAW..

When ever it suits you >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(....


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: joebrook on July 28, 2017, 10:32:06 PM
Democracy is no longer working as intended. Heck, it was even criticised in ancient Greece by philosophers like Socrates.
I will ask you a question - how exactly democracy works? It is proven that majority of votes are idiots or people who are easily bribed by populistic ideas.
Democracy = rule of the man who gives people candies because society won't be able to accept a doctor who will help them, but at the same time offers them a bitter pill.
Here in my country, a lot of idiots voting politician that are celebrity on the past or have a good looking, having a good sex appeal.
So yes, democracy is not for idiots.
Here in my country too. People have been voting or electing officials that are really not suitable to the position and capable of doing what the position demands. Some of our politicians are celebrities who haven't study anything related to politics or law. Sportsman who is greedy of a position and always add God on his arguments. I mean, yes, God must not be forgotten but some of his points are really pointless and useless that all you can do is to face palm. And those who are really suitable for the position were not elected because they are not famous or they do not have lots of money to give away. I love democracy because you can do what you want and express what you want but when it comes to electing public officials that will lead the country, we really has to be more strict with it.
Thats why i always say that democracy is always overrated, we are always given two people to choose from and truthfully none of them is really good enough to do anything positive for the country. Even with free speech, there is always something that you cant really say. Is it half free speech or free speech.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Bagaji on July 29, 2017, 07:13:11 PM
To some extent democracy would have been the best only if the politicians will do the right thing at the right time. Politicians has now become multimillionaire just for a position of four years without any question on how they got the money. They makes laws that favor they them self and forgot about the people that vote them into power. What a wicked generation.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Coffee135 on July 29, 2017, 08:15:06 PM
Who is to blame if you vote for them? Responsibility in a democracy applies to everyone. Not just for the thieves in power but also those who helps them to get there. Do you agree?


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: bubblebit on July 30, 2017, 02:01:45 AM
Democracy interpret in different country depends on its culture. Abortion and divorce are two examples. Democracy as most individuals or organizations are being abused for self interest and greed.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Babyrica0226 on July 30, 2017, 02:11:57 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.
For me I'm not favor in democracy here in my country. Because its being abuse for so many years actually its been a decades that our citizens was deceived by the officials of the government and president of course. but now our present President was a great leader and more focus in federalism.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Varyg on August 04, 2017, 10:45:47 PM
democracy is just mob rule.

that why a republic works so much better. it balances things out


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Prettyme on August 05, 2017, 01:34:24 AM
this is a system of government for the people and by the people were the people are allowed to express their freedom of right compare to the military were the right of the people are been held the government as for me the world has come pass the era were human right will held by one individual in the name of governance. i still love Democracy is the best   
Yes you're correct democracy will allow people to enjoy their rights. But sometimes people abused their rights because they don't limit their selves in expressing due to their expression they hurt others feelings. We should always know our limitations even we are in a democratic country.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Senkuli on August 05, 2017, 03:28:44 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.
I still like democracy, because if the democratic system is running smoothly and well implemented in everyday life it will grow good governance system.
My country is a democratic system, although not yet perfect, but the democracy in our country is well implemented.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: hovrah on August 05, 2017, 04:14:02 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.
I still like democracy, because if the democratic system is running smoothly and well implemented in everyday life it will grow good governance system.
My country is a democratic system, although not yet perfect, but the democracy in our country is well implemented.
The main thing is that when the authorities in the country were not assholes. The thing is that when bad people take on the instrument of democracy, then the country begins to be created, the devil knows that there can be no talk of real democracy. Even the mass media are beginning to engage in nonsense, and not to use freedom of speech for the benefit of their people.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: winterland on August 05, 2017, 04:37:02 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.
A regimen can be dictatorial and still being democratic, a democracy is just the way the political class is chosen, a democracy is not a form of government, I think you are thinking about a republic.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Footmanred on August 11, 2017, 04:03:30 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.
Me it seems to that democracy, in a traditional concept, already not that was before. Many people, covered by democracy, create bad businesses in the whole world. And it goes down to them from hands. Very it is sorry that it is impossible already to correct it.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: nagobinga on August 11, 2017, 07:20:19 AM
I really love democracy because democracy is very helpful in a democratic country, which allows citizens to participate.

What about you whether loving democracy?  :)


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: mvidetto on August 11, 2017, 07:46:37 AM
Yes i love the idea of Democracy, but most of the countries that claim to be democratic are far from being one.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: mevmike on August 11, 2017, 10:52:43 AM
the purpose of a democratic government really aims for the welfare of its people.
the public is the one who must be followed.
.but the problem nowadays prioritizes their personal motives first rather than the public.
these is the main problem with democracy having elected corrupt politicians...
:D


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: memyselfandi on August 11, 2017, 11:38:41 AM
I think its just a game created by man to believe that he has the power under a controlling system.
and there is no such thing as democracy, just a couple of laws that are made by the government or the society that allows the person to say some of his opinions without having a fear.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Ivan16 on August 11, 2017, 04:52:47 PM
“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

~ Winston Churchill

“Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.”

~ Winston Churchill
If you dont know much about democracy look Nort Korea DNRK,an example of the abuse of a word of democracy an some other government do same thing. Word of democracy which means that the authority belongs to the people,has long since lost significance.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: matuson on August 11, 2017, 06:00:11 PM
“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

~ Winston Churchill

“Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.”

~ Winston Churchill
If you dont know much about democracy look Nort Korea DNRK,an example of the abuse of a word of democracy an some other government do same thing. Word of democracy which means that the authority belongs to the people,has long since lost significance.
The people themselves are to blame. We've learned that you have to take part in the elections and then from us nothing depends. We have forgotten how to demand politicians keep their promises. Bitcoin gave us a mechanism for economic pressure on politicians, but we here use it incorrectly. We are transforming it into a pyramid.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: gabmen on August 12, 2017, 05:15:25 AM
I think its just a game created by man to believe that he has the power under a controlling system.
and there is no such thing as democracy, just a couple of laws that are made by the government or the society that allows the person to say some of his opinions without having a fear.

I think you have a valid point here dude. I think pretty much all it does is to give the people a false notion that they're free by allowing them to speak their minds. But i reality, we're all being manipulated by people who are in power by these laws and constitutions that they themsleves aren't even following.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: bcnaranjo on August 14, 2017, 06:27:39 AM
Democracy is still ideal for me because we have the right to choose our leaders, however, democracy is abused by many elected officials to the expense of the welfare of the people.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: JoMarrah Iarim Dan on August 14, 2017, 07:45:18 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.

I also love democracy but democracy is for disciplined people and country only.
Democracy is having freedom.If we have freedom, we can do all we want and no one will control us. Due to that, some people abuse this freedom. They do everything they want including bad things and they were unstoppable. Democracy i think is not always a good thing. Sometimes it is better that someone lead but this leader must also know his / her limitation for he/ she must not use the position just for his / her own sake.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: z38630610 on October 24, 2017, 09:45:39 PM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.

You are totally right. The goverments are selfish. They use democracy for their own benefits and they don't think communities that don't think like them. These communities are a kind of enemy. Then we don't have to call it not democracy we have to say that it is a start of dictatorship. I don't trust democracy. It seems like democracy gives people freedom but I believe that it is a big lie of 20th century.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: strend4239 on October 25, 2017, 01:06:21 AM
Well, to me it seems that most of the countries which claim to be democratic are run by corporate interests nowadays. I like the idea of democracy but I'm not sure if it's being implemented anywhere right now.
Obcourse yes.if you live in a democratic country you have right to give your opinion express your thought on current situation and given the right to vote to choose a lider you want to...




Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: PIR on October 25, 2017, 02:14:36 AM
I love also democracy,, but some people is over to used it,,they used democracy for own benefits or for there party's or company.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: kylekyle2000 on October 25, 2017, 05:40:37 AM
Democracy is actually a good thing if it is in the hand of a good leader/government. Also, freedom, just like any other thing, has a limit people has to know what is okay and what is against the law.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Nambuwan on October 25, 2017, 01:57:40 PM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.
I agree, that’s why i love democracy because it really gives the people power and also it gives them the freedom to choose. Democracy is what my country needs because of all the events happening at my country.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Scor1937 on October 25, 2017, 02:38:20 PM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.


Democracy only Dream but can’t be applied Because Bankers and rich man now control any things


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: TheGodFather on October 25, 2017, 03:31:44 PM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.

NO political system would ever be perfect. WHether it os run by monarchy, prime minister, dictatorship and heck even democracy. THIS are all pieces of something that we must ensure that we understand and I wouls always choose democracy as it just means that there would still be power for the people


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Douglasyukanov on October 25, 2017, 06:21:21 PM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.
maybe democracy is everyone's hope, but on its application many are not as expected, democracy instead belongs to a person or group only, not belonging to all the people.
democracy which also means freedom of choice and freedom of expression of each individual is in fact even constrained by certain rules and controlled by the governing system of government.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: shiki3226 on October 25, 2017, 11:30:07 PM
Yes. Here in my country, we still enjoy the freedom and democracy that our government offers us. We have the freedom to choose though there are people/politicians who wants to impose their own rules to the people by shoving it down it down to our throats. Despite of that, we are still happy knowing that the current government is doing its best to protect us and our rights. And as citizens, we have to understand that all freedom also has limit and shouldn't be abused.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: MommyElsa on October 26, 2017, 01:40:00 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.

I still love being part of the Democratic country, love to do the things that we want but with our guidance with the laws of the government. I still love being part of the freedom to vote and elect some government officials.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: BADecker on October 26, 2017, 01:41:18 AM
Democracy is simply dictatorship and anarchy in disguise.

Let's be free. Let's be self-governing. Lets be free to do anything we want as long as we don't hurt anyone else or his property. That's the way the USA is set up.

8)


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: mackenzied on October 26, 2017, 03:25:39 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.
Democracy, in terms of politics, belongs to the people. Quyen is the owner of the people in all aspects of social life. With bitcoin, every person has a chance to participate in bitcoin and everyone has the benefit of bitcoin. With this market economy we have to be active.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: ichsan ardi on October 26, 2017, 03:43:39 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.

basically i like democracy idea, but i dont see any country use democracy as good as what democracy about. they claim that democracy is system in their country, but what really happen is they use presidensial or democracy liberal system.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: miyong on October 26, 2017, 04:30:26 AM
Yes, loving the way our government now, enjoying the freedom of religion, speech, freedom to choose your president.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: hansbans on October 26, 2017, 08:25:53 AM
I don't believe democracy now.
Idea is good, everbodies hope but if you are not in big population side, you can't do anything :)


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: covfefe_ on October 26, 2017, 08:37:51 AM
Democracy, the same word is used to define many forms of government.
I do still believe democracy is the real sense is the ultimate form of government for this world.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: SamPo on October 26, 2017, 09:23:52 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.


Democracy is LoVe. You have the power to express your veliefs your oppinion and your feelsngs to the nation. You are free to show the government what you feel and what you want.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: mashort on October 26, 2017, 06:55:48 PM
democracy has contributed to a lot of problems especially in some developing countries. even in Europe and USA, populism seems to gaining momentum


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: cardinalVC on October 26, 2017, 07:12:51 PM
Me, and you being able to post here and use Bitcoin is the effect of democracy. Be grateful!


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: owenja on October 27, 2017, 09:54:12 AM
Capitalism is just as corrupted by human nature as communism (c). Democracy is ugly, however until there is nothing better, well, what are you gonna do...


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Michael_017 on October 30, 2017, 08:00:48 AM
I don't like democracy, some people are hiding on this system for personal motive which is harmful for many and most specially it creates confusion to people.
Democracy is also like a rocking chair which can create a movement but can't go to somewhere.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Umar001 on October 30, 2017, 08:46:17 AM
I 100% in love with democracy, because  it promote freedom of speech, and rule of law. Democratic system of government encourage equality before the law, also enhance rapidly development in all sectors of economic. Any nation that practice democratic system of government, is a progressive nation.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: D2R2 on October 30, 2017, 09:13:15 AM
democrazy do not exist . in capitalist wolrd


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: bhabygrim on October 30, 2017, 10:28:18 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.


Yes, some people abuse the power of democracy. There are even times that a country becomes misdirected and there is no more progress. I know democracy is supposed to be good. However, it can cause a country to fall if abused.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Kevinvaonav on October 30, 2017, 02:08:45 PM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.
I like democracy but a clean democracy, unfortunately in this world hard to find a country with a pure democratic government.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Corporatocracy on October 30, 2017, 02:43:51 PM
democracy is just mob rule.

that why a republic works so much better. it balances things out

Yes, but that's so long the would be leaders are the best candidates for the posts.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: cardinalVC on October 30, 2017, 03:53:25 PM
Seems a lot have quite a confusing concept of democracy.

While it seems that Greece founded the idea of a democratic society, many other nations have already been practicing it in their own tradition. Such as the vikings and their system of earldom.

today, there are over dozens of democratic system each having their unique blend to fuse with their own set of culture. But the essence of democracy is to allow the people to think and act like freemen, thus, the system must always include the right to speech and the right for the people to choose who will represent their overall identity.



Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: trickee on October 30, 2017, 09:17:12 PM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.
democracy is a system of government in which the citizens exercise power directly or elect representatives among themselves to form a governing body,such as perliament.it is a systemo of processing conflict in which outcomes depend on what participants do,but no single force controls what occurs and it outcomes.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: electronicash on October 30, 2017, 09:27:13 PM
Democracy is an idea, the people should be able to decide what they want their country to do but so many times, the interests of the few overcome the interests of the many.
That is the main problem, direct democracy is something that must be improved in every country, things as referendums are a must!
Referendums must be optimized to cost less, aka. digital voting, volunteers etc. and require less signatures to be taken so the nation actually has the means to correct actions from politicians they do not support.

Elected politicians often forget that they are where they are to serve the nation and not vice versa and that's why direct democracy must be improved.
Democracy is a growing system, we had it for a long time but we must improve it so the individual has more power.

And yes, I still love it, although flawed, it's still the best system we have.
The current system of democracy does not meet their requirements. I believe that the government is the sphere which requires special education and does not tolerate publicity. For these purposes, democracy can be destructive.

Whose requirements?

Democracy can be destructive if implemented badly, corruption WILL happen if everything is not transparent, but this is not a problem of democracy but a problem of control.

most of those who eventually acquire a tiny  bit of power can become a tyrant on their own, will even buy women as much as they can and put them all together in one house. you can imagine how much a prime minster could do.

but would rather prefer one martial  leader  than having a lot in a democratic government which you won't have any idea whether you are talking to who could be in power too.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: dongyi17 on November 01, 2017, 02:10:05 AM
I still love democracy but not over used instead coz sometimes politician used it for their own hidden agenda and manipulates people to rebel against the govt. democracy is good as long as it is under good in governance in sincere intention and people benefit it.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: binting on November 01, 2017, 07:07:42 AM
Communism is evil and it should be forbidden to use its symbols in any modern country

True this. I saw a black man walking around with a Che guevara shit lol. The bulk of the people idolizing them don't even know what these people stood for. It's an evil, deadly ideology.
Che Guevara is one of the Communist idols. I think the more hands in the blood, the more they worship this leader. I am sure that Hitler would be their hero if the Soviet Union did not fight with Germany and began to each other to fight. After all, until 1941 they were friends, and together they divided Europe.
yes because if you fight someone you love they see to you a bad person if the person are not fight for you, they are not believe so that the love is like a democracy and to the point of the person.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: david_019 on December 25, 2017, 02:36:42 PM
Democracy is good but in our present world I don't think this kind of democracy is what the world needs, this is now being abuse of people.so I think it needs renovation if we cannot eliminate this democracy. Better sometimes to make a hard leadership if with this kind of approach is more helpful.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: joebrook on December 25, 2017, 03:31:12 PM
Democracy is good but in our present world I don't think this kind of democracy is what the world needs, this is now being abuse of people.so I think it needs renovation if we cannot eliminate this democracy. Better sometimes to make a hard leadership if with this kind of approach is more helpful.
In spite of it's limitations, i still think that democracy is what the world really needs with the exception of the Arab nations, they need a dictator with a firm hand to rule over them because they are very stubborn people and they tend to abuse what they call democracy. Take a look at Turkey, Erdogan is now a dictator and he did it legally.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: aceman09935 on December 25, 2017, 03:51:19 PM
To us democracy is sometimes abused by people and because of democracy once a nation becomes weak and human rights are being abused once.
maybe i don`t like democracy


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Roman4yk88 on December 25, 2017, 03:57:59 PM
Now basically democracy is just talk,dust in the eyes,as people used to gather in the square and solved the problem,this is not even to take the election,then no matter how you voted,everyone already knows who will be President,even if you,your friends and relatives didn't vote for him.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Oleana on December 25, 2017, 05:44:23 PM
We have nothing better atm,so we just have to stick to it.Nothing else to do really,communism fell apart veryhwre,didnt bring anything godo to thsoe people.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: coolcoinz on December 25, 2017, 05:51:05 PM
democrazy do not exist . in capitalist wolrd

Does it in any other? In a socialist or communist world there's no place for it either. What about dictatorship? I guess it's not there as well. ;)

I like democracy but a clean democracy, unfortunately in this world hard to find a country with a pure democratic government.

Because it's an unsustainable system as long as there's money involved. People will always sell their support for material things and there will always be those who are rich and are willing to buy it. Do you really think Trump came to power because he was an exceptional politician and leader? He came to power because he had money, just like the Bushes and Clintons before him.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Brunus Januensis on December 25, 2017, 06:55:18 PM
Democracy is just a myth, that which says that majority is always right.
But, as the majority of people are idiots, I don't see any sense.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: buneng on December 25, 2017, 11:34:39 PM
Definitely loving it until i get old and have my own family


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: MadGod11 on December 26, 2017, 12:59:36 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.

the real meaning of democracy is the people governs themselves by their representatives in the parliament, and founding some organisms to rule in the name of the majority and keep respecting the minorities by including the freedom of speech and give everyone his personal freedom and privacy, but only where the law is above everybody.
a government who doesn't respect the choice of their people is just a dictatorship forcing people to live under the fear of being silenced forever.. and uses some propaganda to keep the image clear as if they are a democratic country.
democracy is almost a horrible lie now days.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Naoko on December 26, 2017, 05:38:00 AM
if we look at the meaning of the word democracy, it becomes obvious that it doesn't exist in our world...some countries call so their regime to convince people of this, but in reality it isn't so


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: bumoranty on December 26, 2017, 06:12:59 AM
Democracy in this part of the world is something else, the old Abraham Lincoln concept has been defeated by the corrupt masters in my country.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: btccointalk on December 26, 2017, 06:39:59 AM
Well, to me it seems that most of the countries which claim to be democratic are run by corporate interests nowadays. I like the idea of democracy but I'm not sure if it's being implemented anywhere right now.
I agree with you. Most of us like democracy because it works for the upliftment of the people but it is sad that now-a-days politicians has completely changed its meaning. They are more interested in making their living luxurious , defaming other religions and implementing baseless policies.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Genemind on December 26, 2017, 07:29:34 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.

It is true that democracy has been abused by people for a lot of time, particularly when they don't know the boundary between rights and being too pushy. Still, we have to appreciate democracy by means of people who are productive because of it and not the people who are pain in a country because of it. I still love democracy.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Xising on December 26, 2017, 09:30:09 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.

Because of people being too abusive about their rights, there are times that I don't like the democracy we are having. The problem is some people just don't know the boundary of of their rights and tend to do more that results to bad effects on society and the bitcoin and cryptocurrency community as well. This is why there should be discipline.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Alextwenty on December 27, 2017, 01:35:19 AM
I always love democracy.But sometimes officials that we choose breaking their covenant and do his, as in my country.Finance minister indonesia it will ban bitcoin in my country, this makes so i was disappointed


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Mstkotha on December 28, 2017, 07:38:42 AM
Perfect democracy is the key to success any countries development.To develop country we have to love democracy and should be obey all rules of democracy then all people country live in pace and harmony.We have to still love democracy to hold our country in worlds map and have to introduce a democratic country. 


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: RedzoneASE on December 30, 2017, 05:18:32 PM
Yes.  I still do love democracy. The decision is decided by the majority. Also democracy give as freedom. All of us love the feeling being free without restrictions but all do have limits.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Irriducibili on December 30, 2017, 05:42:53 PM
Yes, because it seem to be the only fair society type.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Daniel91 on December 30, 2017, 06:05:23 PM
I lived in communist regime, also had experience of war and now I live in democracy.
Yes, I agree that democracy is not perfect but can you show me any better political system today in the world?
Socialism? Communism?
Are you crazy?
There is no real freedom in such societies.
If we want to live in the better world we have to change our society.
If we want to change society we have to change our community.
If we want to change our community, we have to start from our families and ourselves.
It'a simple, really.
I don't love democracy but I love potential of democratic society.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: honeyira on December 30, 2017, 06:14:18 PM
democracy just only exist is papers. there is no such thing.
it just a mask of a ruler to avoid uprising.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: salamyman on December 30, 2017, 06:29:36 PM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.

I think you're implying something from US's constitution. And as such - do you really think Americans are free? They like to say that they're living the dream. It's a dream all right.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: golek upo on January 02, 2018, 06:15:05 PM
I really like the system of democracy, but we also still need a law that regulates about the limitations of democracy.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: mrdrumspin on January 02, 2018, 06:30:40 PM
1. i dont love democracy, never did.
2. bitcoin has nothing to do with democracy, never did. it has to do with capitalism
3. capitalism also sucks but it gives you much more freedom than democracy. if you can afford it.
and 4. i dont care how we name the system. true power is by definition never in the hands of the people.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: JanCoppens on January 02, 2018, 07:07:07 PM
Democracy has become dangerous, maybe we should think about a technocracy.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: saniales on January 02, 2018, 10:04:24 PM
Democracy is bad, but it's the best we can hope to have


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: TheKeyLongThumbI on January 03, 2018, 02:53:22 AM
Democracy is freedom and it is the system of government that we have right now that is better than any else. We can select our own president unlike those other countries that the power is just passed on their relatives that are all corrupt and unfair.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Superrbat on January 03, 2018, 03:32:41 AM
Depending on the people,if people there are smart and kind, yes, otherwise, no, it would be a disaster.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: ali240319 on January 24, 2018, 04:16:29 PM
of course I still like the democratic system because we both have the right and opportunity to be a leader even more just democratic system in comparison with the royal system


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: gowron24 on January 24, 2018, 04:28:53 PM
Hell yeah! Democracy, true democracy, is a wonderful system. Except that it needs to be maintained and nurtured, and can never, NEVER, be taken for granted.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Vinz1978 on January 24, 2018, 04:43:19 PM
Democracy spirit abuse by those few citizens who cry for freedom. They don't know what freedom they need to live by. Freedom to make corruptions, to get high on drugs & many addicted form illegal vices, to murder innocent people, free to do their family dynasty imperial politics, & to have more right for themselves. This world is to much uncertain, the day's is evil so therefore we need a formed of government that have a higher moral ascendancy in true & righteous leadership with a moral standard of authoritative Word of God. As President Duterte said "Change is coming!" I think for now we need most for a Trans-formative Government.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: zngit on January 24, 2018, 05:16:15 PM
Democracy is always in people sides not in government side. Without kidding, for me democracy is better than other way of rulership. But this could not be better if the government is the first problem. The freedom of people choice, the freedom of people to act, speak, and whatever is the first priority of democracy.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: forklif on January 24, 2018, 05:41:55 PM
democracy exists, but most democracies do not exist today.
the value of democracy is gone, there is a lot of cheating everywhere.
So do you love democracy .. ??
democracy is just a name.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Crazygreek on January 24, 2018, 05:42:05 PM
Yes because democracy is the voice of whole nation or country and doesn't matter how many times goverment lying or something because people will stop wating someday ;D


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Guapongbadoy on March 10, 2018, 05:44:51 PM
I believe democracy is good and fair kind of form of government. This is what the world kind of government system people are first choice. But the problem if many are abusing this system. And yes people are always abusing it. Democracy is already not a democracy but just a  tool  for   accomplishing any personal interest using the legal term. So for me now democracy should be handle properly if the government fail to do this then nothing  Cam be change.




Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: WorldBiz project on March 10, 2018, 06:35:17 PM
It’s still better than all other regimes


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Oladejielisha on March 10, 2018, 06:42:41 PM
Democracy still makes sense but is being ruled by a  corrupting minds. I pray God helps us.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Lion34 on March 10, 2018, 07:08:07 PM
Although Democracy seems the best form of government. Given the values it preaches to achieve. Which include bit not limited to freedom from all forms of discrimination, an Egalitarian society, Economic freedom among others.
 However, and contra distinctly Democracy is laden with internal and intrinsic Fallouts. E.g Authoritarian tendencies, the rule of the few Elite or (mobocracy). Its my educated opinion that Democracy is the end in and or itself but a means to an end.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: putriliesma on March 24, 2018, 10:17:11 PM
Well, to me it seems that most of the countries which claim to be democratic are run by corporate interests nowadays. I like the idea of democracy but I'm not sure if it's being implemented anywhere right now.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: uwr on March 24, 2018, 11:03:16 PM
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Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Chulahk on March 24, 2018, 11:17:46 PM
It is not perfect, but no one has invented a better system for now.

Democracy is a very good idea because all of us can freely express ourselves but, people abused the freedom to do so. Most of the people use their freedom right to do nonsense and even foolishness. We people must know our limitations in a such field.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Garret44eza on April 01, 2018, 09:14:22 PM
Not really. but i do not even have a strong opinion in that.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: questlunar2 on April 02, 2018, 11:09:13 AM
Nope. Dictatorship is better as we are not responsible for choosing the gov.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: recycleembarrass1 on April 02, 2018, 06:46:57 PM
I think both are fine at there own expense.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: accuracygranulated7 on April 03, 2018, 01:38:47 AM
It gives you the freedom and therefore it is the best thing.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: #davidnugroho on April 03, 2018, 02:53:16 AM
we always think about human rights they are free to argue and do anything as long as it does not violate the law that we can do our best for us and family and country and democratic system is the right thing to do that freedom and the law governing it all.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: brushingbanner on April 03, 2018, 03:45:15 AM
Nope. hate it and dont think it is nice anymore.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: shinchan123 on April 03, 2018, 04:29:02 AM
Frankly, there are times when I think democracy is being abused by the people. For them, democracy means freedom, free to do anything that they wish and there are times it includes illegal things. But, if we carefully evaluate how we define democracy, it simply means that the rule over the country falls on the hand of it’s people, but not the power to do anything that they please.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Spifo on April 03, 2018, 06:07:53 AM
Democracy is evil, it is not what we need. And Yes you speak that people prefer that someone owned them, providing basic things. I think it is not so easy people used and so they were taught, they don't know how it might be different.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Izalcomax on April 03, 2018, 06:18:48 AM
I think democracy still one the best system in this world.. IF it runs with FULL COMMITMENTS
Man, you dont want to live in a country ruled by a dictator!


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: squog on April 03, 2018, 06:34:22 AM
I think democracy actually works if the constituents or the people are informed and educated. If not they will just be sheeo herded bu their leaders and not the other way around. A democracy is a form of government that actually hinges itself in the descision if the people. If the people themselves became complacent, uncaring and basically selfish then democracy will fail. Like having a dictatorship with an ineffective ruler is actually as bad as having a democracy with idiots as your constituents.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Croco1234 on April 03, 2018, 11:23:54 AM
Its for me very big i still love democracy because the democracy in hand of all nation as long as it does not the violate the law


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: novakamena on April 03, 2018, 11:54:31 AM
Its for me very big i still love democracy because the democracy in hand of all nation as long as it does not the violate the law
The true democratic principle, that the people shall not be made to do what it does not like, is taken to mean that it shall never be required to tolerate what it does not like.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: twosevenonesix on April 03, 2018, 12:18:32 PM
Democracy is probably not our best option but we still did not invented anything better.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: hushwind on April 04, 2018, 01:45:47 AM
Yes. It is the best system to live in, in this world.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: ayaayapotpot on April 04, 2018, 04:18:33 AM
Democracy has been defined as ‘the Government of the people, by the people, and for the people’. It is the only form of Government in which the will of the people is reflected in the administration. Now being in a democratic government you will see how the people Use the democracy on their own benefit. The freedom of speech is one of the many characteristic of a democratic country. Mainstream media uses freedom of speech even a regular citizen saying bad things about the government or people. They will just say that I have the freedom to say what I want to say because we have freedom of speech.

I love Democracy because it really help our country, but with the abuse of using democracy as a scape goat to a bad behavior is not acceptable. Maybe I can say it’s really depends on how you think what is democracy means to you.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Cormoran on April 04, 2018, 04:25:22 AM
Democracy is the absolute worst system of government... the only worse ones are all the others. It's almost as if human nature is the real problem, rather than the institutional structures themselves? :P


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: HelperAdvisorsLLP on April 04, 2018, 07:31:46 AM
I think that democracy it the only way Western society can live


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: 1battermainsheet3 on April 04, 2018, 08:00:22 PM
I like living in a democratic country where the rights are given to the people equally.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: swallovwvile8 on April 08, 2018, 05:51:51 PM
Yes. and will always love it as that is the best thing.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: tagposh43d on April 08, 2018, 10:28:05 PM
Democracy is better than dictatorship any day.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: dash007 on April 09, 2018, 12:41:48 AM
Democracy in itself is supposed to be a beautiful thing. It is supposed to be a concept where we select those in power to rule us according to our wishes in the interest of all. Sadly, that is not so anymore as the "servants" have become the dictate leaders, turning themselves into judge, jury and executioner. But, when we look past these things, we realize that democracy, or the idea of it is something to be loved.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: raizhur19 on April 09, 2018, 02:24:11 AM
I hate it specially in my country where influential people takes advantage of it and take money from the poeple working hard for it. the rich is just getting richer and the poor is getting poorer.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Sithara007 on April 09, 2018, 04:14:09 AM
Democracy is better than dictatorship any day.

I don't think so. I am living in India, which is regarded as the largest democracy in the world (in terms of population). The problem here is that the major voting blocs have successfully managed to oppress the voices of the smaller blocks.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: bicyclebiff6 on April 10, 2018, 04:25:44 AM
I believe in democracy as it helps us to express whatever we feel.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: King Koy on April 10, 2018, 05:43:15 AM
I like democracy for it is giving anyone to live free and equality which is the very thing that everybody loves to live. This is why many people from different countries under by cruel leadership which is keeping the freedom away from them are protesting for democracy. So freedom is what the people's need and the definition of democracy, the only bad for democracy is when it is abuse by others but overall I like it.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: RocketGirl60 on April 10, 2018, 09:25:15 AM
Today democracy is the authority of financiers. Of course, they are trying to build a good life around them, so the standard of living in the US is so high. But they do it at the expense of the rest of the world!


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: cloegene on April 10, 2018, 09:56:19 AM
I will still love democracy because it gives everyone a free life. Anything you want to do you can do. Anything you can want you can get. If you can't do anything bad to other people. You can do what you want.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: audipituitaryF on April 10, 2018, 04:49:40 PM
No. Not anymore. They do not allow people to be what they are.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: RocketGirl60 on April 11, 2018, 07:59:19 AM
I will still love democracy because it gives everyone a free life. Anything you want to do you can do. Anything you can want you can get. If you can't do anything bad to other people. You can do what you want.

You can get anything only if you are rich. 1% of people own 99% of all money, and you think that's ok? They are using us!


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: spongegar on April 11, 2018, 09:51:22 AM
Democracy like any other form of government is as awesome as it's source of power. If the source of power is corrupt, ineffective or ruthless then that form of government wouldn't work. Say for example, a dictatorship is run by s person puts its people first and really listen to their plea and helps out their government. That dictatorship would be alot better than a democracy with its constituents as sheep who have no independent thought and would rather be lead than to care.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: englandracehorseR on April 13, 2018, 04:43:20 AM
It is a scam as the rights given are still controlled by the government.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: sathi7890 on April 13, 2018, 05:04:39 AM
We all want corrupted democracy. We all love fair natural and corruption free democracy. If the country's democracy is free of corruption, the country's development is faster.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: raullemos26 on April 13, 2018, 07:23:10 AM
Once upon a time a French philosopher answered a question from a journalist. "what do you think about the fall of the Roman state?" he replied, democracy is like a fruit, only a healthy stomach can digest it.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: gelay on April 13, 2018, 10:07:37 AM
Yes, I will still love democracy. It gives up freedom to anyone of us. No one people where watch and will angry on what we are doing. We are free to do everything on what we want.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: tsinelas on April 13, 2018, 10:42:36 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.
Democracy is freedom. Being able to speak up and fight for your rght is best because of democracy. Democracy is expressing oneself andtaking action on what life is.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Cyanics on April 17, 2018, 11:39:45 PM
Yes, It gives me the right to do whatever I  want and make things better.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: soulcancer on April 18, 2018, 12:52:15 AM
democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner....that is why plato wrote "The Republic" and not "The Democracy"


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: soulcancer on April 18, 2018, 12:55:04 AM
Democracy can mean many things to many people. Heck, even some dictatorial regimes prefer to call their system to be democratic while at the same time they are using the state power to suppress people and to spread lies just to create fear.

In my idea, democracy means that the government is coming from the people, for the people and by the people. The power emanates from the voters and that power should be used for the greater good of the people.

However, there are some people who prefer someone to lord over them as long as that ruler can provide them all the basic stuffs they need. They don't care if they don't have the freedom others are enjoying as long they have something to eat everyday.

As for me, I still love democracy and I hate it if someone would be curtailing my Bitcoin freedom lol.
Democracy is freedom. Being able to speak up and fight for your rght is best because of democracy. Democracy is expressing oneself andtaking action on what life is.

democracy is freedom until the majority becomes convinced of a definition of freedom that differs from yours...look at modern America...they have reduced the quality of education such that young people will now actually protest freedom of speech


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: princeyeboah on April 18, 2018, 02:14:00 AM
Democracy is good with its concept allowing citizens to have a say in the decision making process but the issue is that do we have a country running a total democracy? Nowadays, the so called democratic nations seem to run under an authoritative system in disguise. Much of the decision is made by the governments without the much involvement of the people.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: argonresonates3 on April 18, 2018, 02:16:45 AM
It was good once upon a time but it is not good not anymore.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: SkyFlakes on April 18, 2018, 02:09:24 PM
As our country being a democratic country, I must say that it can be the best government system. Democracy is when people have the power in the system. People have the freedom to say anything against government. They are the one who can put someone in the position and can also removed them from the position. This gave a freedom to express what people thinks. It is sometimes not in good order but I can say that it is organized at most times. Hence, I can say that I would still love democracy even though it is flawed sometimes.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Crypcar10290 on April 18, 2018, 08:19:33 PM
I love democracy, but right now I do not think is fully implemented in every country, it seems to me that countries are run by big corporations. Politicians follow the agenda of the corporations paying less attention to the problem of the people. That is the case for every country in the world that is why corruption is the main problem in society.


Title: Re: Still Love Democracy?
Post by: Flying Hellfish on April 18, 2018, 08:33:32 PM
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