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Most conservatives or right-wings worldwide oppose psychoatives legalization, why such unanimity on this topic? I find it strange that there is such a consensus. Do you know why?

Personnally I don't know. They pretend to be for individual liberty/responsability while honoring for most westerners the so called freedom, but in fact are more like zealous little control freaks closer to ISIS in their way of thinking...

Only Libertarians get the concept of ownership of the body by the individual... it goes to whatever-sex to abortion to "drugs".

How can you legalize drugs? It will be very dangerous. If something like that is done, then the youth will become addicted to drugs, and deaths from overdose will shoot up. This is a very foolish suggestion.

Why shall the state legislate on what is an individual danger? Don't you think risk assessement is the responsability of the individual? I think motorbiking is very dangerous... if something like that is done, then the youth will become addicted to motorbikes, and deaths from crashes will shoot up. This is a very foolish suggestion (please replace it by hunting, rodeos, diving, alcohol, what ever).

With your mindset only dying is safe.

So here is a classical conservative mindset, thank you for your post btw. From this can be deducted:

1. Taking ownership by the collective of the risk for the individual
2. The children collective responsability
3. Protecting from deaths

LoL.

I will just say that the drug war run since a long time in the us and there is no success...

Then in the case of opioids, there is the pain aspect. And apparently pain aversion is a natural evolution of advanced society.

A few aspect that you may not account: ressources, policing ressources aren't unlimited. Better hunt rapists, pedos, violent and non consent crimes perpetrators or junkies? Do you really care what others do with their bodies and minds willingly as long as it doesn't pose a threat to you?

How does it affect you if a screenwriter in L.A. or a tycoon wife in Manhattan or an insurer from Chirak want something? Remember according to the immutable law of business, it's a legit transactions: 2 concording wills, a price and informed consent... why the fuck wanting to mess with their wants rather than profit from it? Taxing it while providing the full contractual law sets (quality, security, safety etc). Remember there are no victims.

But still it doesn't answer my question, why is it concentrated in a specifical part of the political spectrum worldwide?

A personnal question, if the gov ban bitcoin, what will you do?

If to legalize drugs, then mankind will quickly destroy itself without any war. It will become even more accessible for children who can easily fall under someone else's influence and destroy themselves. You can make good money on this, but it's a dirty business.

Thank you for providing the argument of savior of mankind and of the children. The someone else infuence is fun for substances of infiluence. Again it's education, i am sure that many dangerous thing aren't forbidden from you.

The question is not how much money can be made but who are you to tell that it's a dirty business? It's some kind of divine intervention that lead you there?

Like in all things, some make it other don't but at the end they all die, one way or the other.

But still no clear sign on why it's in a specific part of the political land map and worldwide. Could you give me a conservative/ring wing party that support legalization anywhere? I am pretty sure that all conservative party worldwide support criminalization. Why, such consensus?

Ps. I will not buy into zrcoin, even if you try to influence me...

it depends on the drugs you want to be legalized, for example the legalization of marijuana in some countries are still widely debated,
if it is about the legalization of marijuana then I can consider it ethical, because marijuana can cure many illness, it just depends on the person,
on how they use it. It can be good and bad for you if you're not responsible, it like a double edge sword :D

as per other drugs such as cocaine,metamphetamine,heroine. I think it's foolish to even think about legalizing that kind of drugs.

Cure, poison, it s all in the dosage... not all things legally mercantilizeable or financializeable need to be good for health... want to reduce the sugary content of my drinks? Or fat maybe? Salt... nasty it makes you drink more...

The point is that the responsability is of the individual, this is called to be adult. You decide what you want to do.

Again most of those substance have therapeutic application in certain issue to comeback to your point. But why should you care about what an adult do with his life.

If you want to look at something really disturbing is birth control pills effects in water supplies... look at estrogen residue.

Again i come back to my motorbike problem, they are noisy and unsafe and less steerable than a car... meaning that a motorbike driving is dangerous for others too.

It's all about pharmaceutical lobby blocking the things they make drugs from.
They would lose since you can grow a plant for a low cost instead of buying expensive medication.
The same with opioids etc.

Some drugs like heroine that cause death could be illegal imo.
Many safe drugs like psychdelics and weed are super save and yet alcohol, the worst drug is legal.

It's all about money, they don't care about our safety.

So are you saying that the pharmaceutical lobby is stronger with the conservatives worldwide?

IMHO it would really depend on the immediate effect, long-term effects and the possibility for addiction. Right now in my country we have a problem with meth use and it's spilling over and causing other crimes like rape, robbery and murder. I'd like to see these drugs legalized and regulated like alcohol to take money away from criminal organizations but then I worry about addiction.

If there is a drug that would not be as "hardcore", would not cause significant brain damage in the long run, and is not addictive, then I'd like that legalized instead. If these can be used to wean people away from stuff like meth, then good..

As a conservative, I fully support the legalization of drugs (or at least the soft drugs such as weed). The war on drugs and the ban has only helped the drug mafias and big bankers. If the drugs are made available through government-owned shops, then the drug violence will cease, and the number of deaths from drug overdose will be a thing of the past.

Weed don't seem so bad, haven't seen people going around robbing people at gun point while hight on weed. We still don't know if it'll fry their brain in the long run but hopefully they're dead when that happens. As for babies, yes that's a concern but stupid bishes drink while they're pregnant anyway and that seem to have more bad effects on the fetus.


Yes, what we're seeing the world over is some Prohibition Era shit... Just remind them they'll earn money from legalizing drugs, they love taxes.

Maybe because someone who calls himself conservative actually is obscurantist
In fact it's surprising, since the Hitlerite forces consumed cocaine methamphetamine and etc. for the soldiers to be hardy.

They are very shrewd. The tax money will go to the treasury, and only a small amount of it can be stolen by the corrupt politicians. On the other hand, if the prohibition remains in place, then the politicians will be able to earn a lot of bribes and commissions, not just from the drug mafias, but also from the big bankers and the pharma cartels.

there's no reason to legalize witchcraft and demon possession.

In Korea during the war, the Americans also took drugs to boost his stamina . How many people have returned addicts? This has led to a large number of suicides and nervous breakdowns among veterans. What good is it?

You are wrong about that. The suicides and nervous breakdowns were mostly a result of the posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD). The drugs didn't had any role in this. On the other hand, certain type of drugs reduced the incidence of PTSD.

Yes, it only destroys the human body. Many got a victory without drugs. So I do not see any reason to legalize this rubbish.

MDMA is proven to halp with PTSD terapy.
It helps change bad memories to not so bad thanks to the serotonin release with MDMA use.

Well i think proper information and usage is the key in legalizing some drugs. A lot of studies have already proven the medical advantages of marijuana and there are already researches being done that it even can help cancer victims. An open mind about usage will be a lot of help. Though drugs such as cocaine and meth, whose effects are pretty much exclusively harmful, should not be legalized and allowed easy access

Im favor to legalize the marijuana but in medical purposes only not on the human tendency.

Cocaine and meth are the plaque of the societies , so some governments they keep pushing forward to stop that hard drugs.

The problem with drugs is that they carry lots of consequences both long term and short term not only to the one that uses them but society as a whole, consequences like higher amounts of crime, higher costs of health care and family disintegration and since we all pay the cost of that I suppose that is one of the main reasons to forbid drugs for the good of society.

If you want to stop the spread of the hard drugs, then you must legalize the soft drugs. If the soft drugs are available, then people will be less inclined to use the more dangerous drugs such as meth.

I think you should rather be stating why not everyone is against drug legalization, we know the effects of drugs in the society, it has the ability to destroy lives and ruin the community as a whole, legalization will not be helpful whatsoever. Marijuana legalization is enough.

Many factors influence this, why drugs are very dangerous for the successor of the nation, and it would be fatal if the state already uses katif 80% of the total citizens of the country

The presumption is to many people get addicted to drugs plus people really don't want their next door neighbor wreaking the place up with some DANK weed ^^.
Kind of like cigarettes and how long its taken to wean down that user-base and second hand smoke.
Education classes says gateway drugs lead to harder stuff and a binge addicted neighbor needing some quick cash stealing your stuff versus a slightly crazy but never tried drugs neighbor on the macro scale of things makes a difference.

Social good vs Societal Good basically.
On the other hand (Cartels) Western view destroy and make them dig deeper underground and do more evil
Eastern View (Tolerate co-exist towards social peace) But still fight (Japan and Yakuza)

I definitely agree on legalizing soft drugs but the government must have a control on it by making some laws and regulations like :
1. Dealers and suppliers must be registered to the government.
2. The government set a quantity of grams that dealers will be able to sale on every person.
3. Dealers must be know the person that buying on him/her.
4. Government make a great punishment if someone violate regulations and laws in selling and supplying soft drugs without a permit to the government.

With that laws and regulations government can controlled supplies and dealers of soft drugs.

Drugs have no place in today's society , it will surely surely end with nothing good for the entire world

The answer for that question is incredibly simple in my opinion, however there might be many different correct replies you can make.

One of them is that gangs and criminal groups do want illegal drugs because that can make them very rich, the profits from drug traffic and drug dealing are enormous.

Another one is medical industry. They do not want to see weed legalized, because it can cure or help in thousands of different illnesses. The sales of their pills would have gone down, after all why would anyone take a pill for a headache if you can simply smoke a little bit of weed, to get  well?

People that want to get drugs will always have a way. It is not necessary to make things easier to them to be obtained. The negatives far outweigh the positives. Our society is dumbed down enough. There is a reason why the slang term for many drugs is dope

Personnally I don't know. They pretend to be for individual liberty/responsability while honoring for most westerners the so called freedom, but in fact are more like zealous little control freaks closer to ISIS in their way of thinking...


This can't only be attributed to conservatives. Liberals also limit freedom. I always think of their line " as long as it only saves one life" The United States is a very restrictive country. One can't even drive a vehicle without wearing a seatbelt.

The government in general is always trying to protect people from themselves. Even Social Security and all the social nets are done because people generally aren't responsible enough to save money for the future or for rainy days. They don't want you to rely on churches or family for help. They want to be your savior and lifeline.

For the record I don't agree with any of these things. I would tend to call myself and anarchist/capitalist

The major factor that oppose the legalization of drugs is that the impact on the health of its citizens which as we know is an asset to the government itself that the declining health and possibility for the growth of addiction regarding this will increase and results to the declining performance in their work which will put the economy in a disastrous situation.

As you see, there a lot of micro and macro perspectives regarding the effects that’s why it should be carefully studied so it will not cause a great disaster with their decision. I’m not really an expert regarding the effects of these drugs but I trust that they know best and it is up to them whether to legalize it (with moderation and only be used in medications) or not.

Seems a more realistic explanation. As always there is the advertised part (protect the children, fight addiction) that modt low level (and iq) operatives bought and then there is your explanation...


But fukushima trails? Gmos? Glyphosates? Fracking fluids all legal... i hope you can grasp the hyprocrisy.

You know with internet you have the hedge over the experts. You have to admit that they foremost fight for their steaks. Truth be cast away if necessary. You are free to access all information, even those they don't want you to see. And think, don't rely on them. They are muppets, learning answers to pass tests and get experthood.


:)


Addictive behavior prevention. Markets can drop the price of those profucts to almost 0. As you understand it's shit. The only value comes from criminalization and the costs induced by it.


Because you decide? Ban motorbikes too as you are at it.


Isn't it logical to you that criminalizing a victimless, full consent activity will increase crimes? What happenend to you?

Obviously, there would always be people who will oppose something, and there would always be a counterpart. Knowing that people can get addicted to drugs means they would be beneficial from it then turning to bankruptcy then eventually be a beggar and lead to committing crimes. I think that's what the government prevents and that's a good thing to do. Drug trafficking could never be stopped because there would always be someone who wants's to buy it. There are a lot of addicts that are willing to do what it takes to get their "high" again. They feel that they have no problems when they are high.

Well, i think they will but only those drugs can cure some decease or illness from the brain like Migraines weed can make abnormal people that has a damage on the brain. Mild anxiety is sometimes a side-effect for users, but some people experience mood-elevating effects, as well as a relaxing experience, allowing anxiety sufferers to have a normal life. 5 mental conditions can be cured by weed/ Marijuana here is the link: https://www.theweedblog.com/top-5-mental-conditions-treated-with-marijuana/ .. and so they will legalize drugs but only those can cure mentally ill people not the other way around..

Yes, the state should take care of the health of its people thereby and increasing the economic level of development, and the legalization of drugs will have the opposite effect.

There is also another theory - some scientists claim that legalization of soft drugs will increase demand for hard narcotics.
When people realize that soft drugs are quite all right and comparatively harmless they would start seeking something better and stronger.
IMO this claim is totally wrong and I expect when people get a hold of marijuana they would lose interest in drugs because the forbidden fruit effect will be gone.

Drugs have their own uses. Even the banned drugs are useful in various forms as painkillers, relaxants, and anti-depression medications. I agree that there seems to be a lot of drug-induced violence going on in this world. But you must understand that banning the drugs and prosecuting the drug users haven't done the trick for the last many decades.

Not all drugs should be banned those who are using marijuana or leaves maybe it would be legalize world wide bcoz this is medicine and it proves already drugs has differenct uses but depends on us when we are going to us it.

Cannabis contains blood within 2 weeks after use. If you legalize its use you will always run the risk of being arrested for driving in a condition of narcotic intoxication. You are willing to part with his car for marijuana use?

Perhaps they are useful for some diseases, but dosage is difficult to observe when you want more. With legalization, it is unlikely that they will be used strictly for their intended purpose, it is better not to take risks.

And let more people die because of alcohol.
Genius.

Because of alcohol, not many die because of drugs. Alcohol is less dangerous than drugs, although it should also be attributed to banned substances.

Who told you that alcohol is less dangerous, when compared to drugs? Compare the number of people who die off liver cirrhosis to the number who die from drug overdose. The number of deaths from the first cause is hundreds of times greater than those from the second. And if we legalize the drugs, and make them available through regulated shops, then the number of deaths from overdose will decline further.

Do not forget that your statistics are not taken into account death from AIDS, murder with the robberies committed by drug addicts to a traffic accident. I think that if you consider these factors then the victory will be for the drug.

Abusive Coffee usage has health risks too... one quick read:



You were of course referencing to the alcohol drug disinhibition effect in your reply?


Alcohol, or tobacco or coffee are drugs. However read about the prohibition era of alcohol... did you think ot worked? Unintended consequences?  even elephants seek fruits with alcohol.


This is my point. There are enough crimes and problems to handle without having the need to criminalize more fullconsent victimless activities. And what are the results of criminalizations and the drug war: War and discrimination of law abidding citizens. Some seems to love the battlefieldization of civilian area... enjoy. What is your problem with a free human being wanting to get (buzzed and booze, high what ever from drugs, boosted from coffee or get addicted to nicotin?). As long as this person has access to factual information about the substances... why should it matter to the law?

Furthermore ultimately only love isn't boring...

HIV is caused by addiction to hard drugs, such as Heroin. Among those who use weed and mushrooms, there is no HIV epidemic. You need to compare soft drugs with alcohol. I also don't support the proliferation of the hard drugs.

After the use of mushrooms the person can have hallucinations and they can lead to unpredictable consequences both for the person and for others. I'm against drugs.

Hmm... that's possible. Although we've seen marijuana legalized in some states already, maybe others would follow eventually? I don't know if weed will cause brain damage in the long run but it seems that it don't cause people to commit crime on the scale that meth does. If it can be used as a "soft" drug to prevent people from using the "hard" ones, than I'm in favor of its legalization.

Are you against alcohol too? Using it can cause hallucinations and can be dangerous to the drinker and people around him. Mushrooms and weed don't make people aggressive, but alcohol does.
Another question: why should we limit the ability of other people to use any substance they want? If they want to hallucinate why would you try to stop them? It's not your body and not your life.

There is no scientific proof for the argument that the usage of marijuana results in brain damage. Humans have been using marijuana for many thousands of years, and according to the experts the positive benefits of marijuana outweigh the negatives by a wide margin.

This is it! Excessive coffee makes people aggressive too! And specifically why it's mainly a conservative consensus? Why this will to restrict other people freedom (or choices) which doesn't affect them (abortion, whateversex, drugs)?

Answer is simple: peope are too dumb to see it as something good and politics would win nothing from legalizing it.

Of course EVERY STUDY EVER MADE on legalization shows that it's a good thing. Tests, countries that adopted it, social studies... Everything shows that legalization = less consumption and of better quality and less addiction = less deaths and dangers = better society.

But hey, you not gonna do rational politics are you? Otherwise world would be so boring.

Like for example we wouldn't have any banks or traders, how boring, who would cause economic desasters then?

I am against the legalization of drugs. This will start to destroy society even worse than war. And so people die from smoking, alcohol and various diseases.

Let us not question those who are against the legalization of drugs in the world rather let us ask why they are so eager to push those laws which we deemed not really needed by the public. Instead of focusing on those issues why do they are making such laws instead on the problem of poverty, health and other major issues. Is the reason why they are moving to legalize illegal drugs is because the drug lords are paying the law-makers and that they will have a percentage on the sales? Such laws are questionable and there must be a hidden agenda behind this kind of proposals.

They take only those laws that are beneficial to them, they do not care about people. They simply do not benefit from making laws on improving the environment or housing conditions, the development of medicine.

I don't know if there are evidence that concerns with that, but we are all aware that too much of something would probably go to kill you in the long run. It helps a lot of people especially with people with Parkinson's disease and other motor actions of our bodies.

Have you ever felt a gun pointed at your head by a trembling hand of some junkie? I'm not conservative I just felt the consequencies of drug addiction on myself. Of course people do terrible things without any drugs. But I believe that if any chemical substance has a negative psychopharmaceutical effect powerful enough to alternate one's personality to the point of posing a hazard to other people's and one's own life and wellbeing, it should be regulated by the law and healthcare standards. It is a personal choice to take drugs but a drug addict doesn't feel responsibility for his/her actions and it's not about education or personal morals - those terms don't exist when you need another fix.

Indeed. A lot of heinous crimes committed are drug related. You wouldn't know the difference between an animal and a person and sometimes there are hallucinations that makes people do harmful things towards others. Of course there are natural drugs that can be used for medicinal purposes but chemical drugs like meth and coke can very well ruin any society once legalized

Well if that's the case, then legalize it. It probably wouldn't be as bad as the opium that caused China problem, right? (Ironically the Chinese are heavily-invested in drugs in Asia.) Are there already any research if people using marijuana develop tolerance, like what happens when using most drugs?

I'm all for personal freedom and freedom of choice as long as it doesn't pose a threat to me personally. A someone's abortion is not dangerous to anyone but the person herself or whateversex in this matter. But a hallucinating (by choice) person can be dangerous to those who surround him/her.

Yes, if some funds can harm others, then they can not be legalized. Alcohol should also be banned, because many strangers suffer because of it.

I'm certainly not a supporter of conspiracy theories, but sometimes it seems to me that someone specifically sends the world into the abyss. The company behind the drug legalization goes around the world and this is no accident. They have some body and there are precedents of legalization.

Yes, all this is done by a secret world government. It also has thought up narcotics to look over weaklings which themselves will destroy and rot alive.

Drug legalization would be suicidal.

It will have adverse effect on the people , the vulnerable and people who are not in position to administer drugs would be the most gullible.
The disadvantages of drugs legalization are much and euthanasia is one of such.

Drug legalization would be good thing on developed countries. Lets say you have a chance on Asian countries to legaliza drugs, can you imagine the whole process?

Most people, not just conservatives repeat what they are told. They also believe whats on the TV and what politicians tell them. Even though those same sources have been proven time and time again to lie. I think this is a problem with people. Most cannot or will not think for themselves. Perhaps they are too stupid or too lazy or too busy to do so. It's probably a combination of all of those factors.

Its completely logical to legalize and control all drugs.
1) the government makes money
2) the government saves money
3) the government helps addicts with some of the money that is made and saved.

Why are drugs still illegal? Because criminals have been running things for a very long time.

Let's take the Philippines as an example. The drug lords (according to their president) are the police chiefs from various districts. People working in their government are in on the take. Then they go out and murder the people that they have caused to have addictions.. crazy right?

Evil people run shit because they will do anything to remain in power. You can not stop them and this will keep happening.

I feel you. It's true, and that moment it could cause a lot of mental implications in your head, and you would start thinking all about it, and you would not forget the traumatic experience with that. In a typical situation, you shouldn't feel like that, but you do, just because of that experience. I don't know why they have to do that but probably they are desperate, and I hope they get themselves clean and not commit crimes.

The problem is, all substances don't affect all people the same way. And any substance can be addictive, and harmful as well. Seen plenty of people addicted to McDonalds, to the point of harm (poor health, not just weight but poor nutrition  outcomes. Becuase of this fee, would it be okay to deny the whole something that actually may help them? The fries are delicious, they never hurt anyone.

Oh, and plenty of people can point a gun at your head, you don't need drugs as a motive. Could be a crazy, a scorned lover, or a rival. People and guns and all that, you now the saying.

Many of the developed nations have already legalized soft drugs. It has been hugely beneficial, by cutting down the drug-related crime, increasing the tax revenue, and creating more jobs. The developing countries (especially those in Asia) can also try the same. Not just drugs, but prostitution also must be legalized.

This will not lead to anything good. Thus, society only degrades. It is necessary to adopt laws that are more useful for the society that will transfer it to a new level of development.

I guess there would be a dedicated department for that. IT's becoming toxic because of the things that are happening to them, whether by prostitution or by drug related things that are around us. I don't think the majority will agree to it though.

Euh... No?
I mean maybe we don't have the same definition of "many" but what countries did that?
There is... Netherlands ok, few states in USA... Spain maybe?
And that's all folks, whole Europe is more or less opposed to legalization anyway...

Probably because some of the drugs will get people way to high, then the high people will do stupid things that won't end well for them or others.

Don't mistake the leaders with the whole Europe. We as people don't have much influence despite democracy flag that each country uses to cover their actions.
To give you an example I would vote for a party that would openly state they want to legalize drugs and give people more freedom, but there are no such parties. People are so afraid of the conservative majority that they don't even say such things before the elections or they'd get laughed at by their opponents.
Once in a few years someone comes up with a smart idea like making guns more available, not putting addicts in jail for drug possession, but usually it wakes up fear mongers and their media campaigns screaming "you go easy on drug addicts they'll come to your schools and stab your children with needles, there will be an aids everywhere and if you allow people to have guns they will start shooting each other in the streets and giving guns to their children to  play with."

First of all, before adopting such dangerous laws, one must think whether this will be useful for your children.

The unfortunate fact is the global economy is completely dependent on illicit drug money. If this money was cut off the global economy would collapse. This is why it is opposed so vigorously.

I'm quite sure it it will be. I wouldn't want my child to be put in jail with murderers and rapists for smoking weed at a party.

The sad reality is we're living a lie. If you asked random people in the street they'd be against legal drugs because of all the  fear the media has put in their heads. The society is brainwashed.

Think about this for a second, and try to have an open mind about it.

Right now today, there are many drugs that drug users/dealers are not aware of, therefore they go on with their daily lives without it and spend time doing other things. Instead of focusing on something like Kratom, (we will use Kratom as our "random unpopular, unknown natural drug) they focus on the drugs that are glorified through our media, media that I remind you has BIG BIG money involved in it. Movies and music artists dont talk about Kratom, they talk about cocaine, ecstasy, crack, meth, heroin. Why do dealers sell these drugs? Because they are "valuable". Why are they valuable? Well because these are the famous drugs. Just like with people, fame = value.  We don't choose what is promoted in TV and Music, but the people paying for the creation of this entertainment, they DO choose what is promoted. This is why the mainstream of rap music is entirely promoting bad things, not because their are so many bad people out there, but because thats what these record labels want to promote so they find artists that fit the bill.

I digress, now let's say tomorrow CNN and Fox News have a front page story that says "Kratom, the legal drug that needs to be Illegal because popularity with Youth". Do you think there is going to be less awareness about Kratom or more awareness? Well of course since these websites have millions of viewers, Kratom would surely have a new wave of interest. Does showing us school shootings on the TVs every week make school shootings a reduced occurrence? Hell no, it becomes more normal the more we see it. So stop glorifying drugs, gun violence and people use it less because they spend less time thinking about it.

You don't miss what you never had. Ignorance is bliss. Sadly we don't control what we are ignorant to, to some degree.

I agree with at least decriminalizing prostitution. If it would be legalized and regulated like any profession, I suppose that would reduce the danger for both worker and client.

What system would you prefer? I'm thinking more of a brothel setup but it would be like a regular office with CCTVs everywhere and guards. Clients would have to be escorted to the door by the worker after things are done so workers can complain if anything wrong was done to them. For added precaution there would be an emergency button in every room so the worker can call on the guards if things go badly.

Since the workers would be regularly tested and would probably be on PrEP, they should also be asking customers for their records before allowing them to avail service.

I am a categorical opponent of the idea of legalization of drugs. As for prostitution it is a relic of the past. I have nothing bad in it do not see. Perhaps States who are against this go on about religious leaders.

If you make anything illegal, then the criminals and the organized cartels will benefit. If prostitution is legalized, then the trafficking of minor children will cease, and the spread of sexually transmitted diseases such as HIV and syphilis can be prevented.

And the transmission of all sorts of different diseases? This is not only immoral, but also a huge risk of getting a fatal disease. I think you would not want your children to work as prostitutes.

It's their choice and it's not for you or anyone else to decide for them. If that's what they like doing and they can take the risk...
I wouldn't want my children to work like that, but I would do anything to help them so that they will never have to. I also wouldn't like the government to interfere, it's not their family but mine and it's not their responsibility but mine.

I believe that drugs are a very big evil, because it not only destroys a person, but the person himself is capable of great evil for the sake of these very drugs. Legalization of these substances gives rise to even more problems.

Legalization is the best option. Because if the drugs are legal, then it makes easier for the law enforcement agencies to monitor the drug users. On the other hand, if the drug business is driven underground, then it becomes impossible to do that.

You have to remember that there are two types of drugs the legal one and the illegal one.  Drugs that are illegal were illegal for a reason. Yes it is your body and you have the full rights or the freedom to what do you want to do with it but you have to remember that if you used illegal drugs you can affect the lives of other people which is not a part of your freedom

It is not problem of free will, you can do what you like. The problem is what comes with the drugs. There are effect of drugs that can be lethal in some situations. Imagine what would happen if you legalize drugs, and children start doing drugs from young age, they would turn it to a burden for society, and in moment when there would be no one to take care of them, slowly we would start dying as a human race.

In my opinion, none of the drugs must be classified as illegal. It is up to the individual to decide whether he should take a particular drug or not (as long as he is above the legal age, i.e. 18 years).

This is what I keep telling people I know and they just shudder and look at me as if I'm possessed.


This is why exactly you want to legalize it. Prostitutes tend to accumulate stds which they pass to their clients, which then pass those to other prostitutes. Upon legalization, they would be asked to take tests and those that failed would not be allowed to work so you basically start with a pool of healthy prostitutes.

On client side, they can also have the clients first present papers before availing service. Even if this is not strictly implemented, the diseased clients would be eventually weeded out. If any of the prostitutes caught something from a client, they can eventually narrow down to the possible culprit because of records and have those clients banned.

The biggest benefit will be the prevention of the human trafficking of minor girls. If the prostitutes are available legally, then the poor and rural girls will no longer be forced in to the flesh trade.

Oh yes, that's one more reason! Women fetch a high price for traffickers exactly because prostitution is illegal. Worse, the women are treated no better than slaves and gain nothing from their work. Legalization would end that.

Of course, this wouldn't stop pedophiles from going after girls but that's a different problem in itself. And just in case anyone would accuse me of wanting to legalize everything, no, pedophilia should be illegal. Children are too young to be asked to consent to sensitive issues like sex.

So guys, on everything you said, do you really think that legalization of drugs would help that people. Would it be better if every one had easy access to drugs and could do what ever they want with it? I know i would not want that. That would make some people life easier, and that people are bad for society. And i do not want to start on children, and how it would effect them...

Legalization of anything isn't what you think. What does legalization do? If Government legalizes one of the moons of Pluto, what does it do? It doesn't do anything. Not to the moon, and not to people.

If Government legalizes the comb in your pocket, the comb could care less. Legalization really controls and limits people. Depending on what Government says in their legalization of your comb, it regulates you and how you use the comb. It takes away your freedom.

When Government legalizes (or illegalizes) drugs, it takes away your freedom to use drugs. The drugs, themselves, could care less about legalization. Legalization doesn't hurt the drugs at all. It only serves to take freedom away from the people.

Get Government out of everything. Don't make anything legal or illegal. Neither legal or illegal stops people from doing what they want. It only gives Government people the duty of messing with people's freedom. And that is what Government really wants, so that they have an excuse to tax people and make money.

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So if i understood right, what you just said right now, you want Anarchy to rule over the world. To be every person for him self or something like that. Governments are necessary evil in our life's. And if you take law and society boundary away, people would be end to them self. People need someone to watch over them. In core humans are animals, and if there is nothing to stop people from committing a crime, imagine what would happen... your anarchy.

Of course government is necessary in you life. Your brain governs how your body acts. You govern your children until they grow up. There isn't any anarchy. There is only government in the world.

Of course people need somebody to watch over them. And who would that be? Government is just people. Who watches over them? Government is the most anarchist group of people in the world.

Humans are not animals. The animals closest to humans in IQ and reasoning ability - chimps and dolphins - are so far beneath humans that humans can barely teach them to reason at all, even only a little.

There is nothing stopping people from committing crimes when governments are around. That's why there are crimes listed in the news. And that is why government people are often listed in the news as the criminals.

Medical drugs are way more dangerous than any the people would have found if there were no drug laws. As it is, you can get most medical drugs in Mexico that are forbidden in the US. So, you can take as much or as little as you want. Why don't people generally go get Mexican drugs? Because they are not drug oriented in the first place, except for a few.

The drug laws are designed to make money for Government and the medical in a backwards, underhanded way.

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Smart people will not allow to earn the state on their health. Even if they legalize drugs, an intelligent person should not buy them, he must take care of his well-being and health.

I wouldn't really say it would help people, but hopefully it would get rid of problems associated with drugs being illegal like gang violence and corruption.

You put drugs out in the open, businesses come in to provide the products, increasing quality (adulterants in some drugs causes more health problems).

The product is taxed, which can then be used for rehabilitation and prevention (like what is being done with tobacco).

Since the gov't get the money, it would be out of cartel's hands, meaning they'd be losing fund they use for intimidating people, at least until they find a new income stream (cannabis farmers in Mexico are starting to switch to opium poppies).

I am sure that the state is not interested in the legalization of drugs. Addiction is the addiction of the young. It kills first those people whom the government is interested. Who will work and bring income to the Treasury? I think legalization of drugs is only interested in some officials who want to make money. Legalization will bring harm to all.

Yes, I do. Don't you?
You should protect your children if you're so worried that they might start taking drugs, the police or the judge won't do it for you.
If you can't make your kids understand how drugs work and teach them responsibility, nobody can. The police and the judge will only make hardened criminals out of them, because the system is build this way.

So all officials are engaged in something poisonous in order to earn money in treasury. Alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, prostitution ... all these are governed by rulers.

Officials earn more on illegal businesses. Let's see what happens for example with cigarettes. Europe has set a very high excise tax on these products. Now everywhere you can buy illegal cigarettes. They bring money to the officials and the police, but the state loses income.

In Germany there are people selling cigarettes in most parks. These guys, usually Asians, can really scare you. You're walking, thinkinking about something, and one of them jumps out of the bush nearby holding a bag of cigs  ;D I'm not making it up, they are hiding these bags in the bushes so it's not that obvious. I've seen the police chasing them a couple times.

In Silk Road and Silk Road 2.0, there was a Moldovan vendor who would ship cigarette packs to the EU nations. He was very popular in these dark markets. Buying cigarettes from dark markets seems to be a safer option for me. May be cheaper as well.

LOL! At least they're not hanging around there to rob you.  ;D This is what happens when you tighten the supply of a product without a decrease in demand, people are just gonna find ways to get them. It's like telling your daughter to stop going out with that douchebag - you'll just inflame her.

I've seen a documentary about the Prohibition Era and it really turned nasty for everyone with the crime rates and injury from moonshine increasing. And you don't even have to make something illegal. We're also increasing the luxury tax on cigarettes here in our country and everyone's finding ways to get around that, from making lower quality products, adulterating the sticks, making each stick thinner, tax evasion and smuggling.

I think officials and the police are giving away a certain percentage of the profits to the state that they are not closed. After all, representatives of the state can not openly sell fakes.

Why only Moldova? And Belarus? If such a difference in price there will always be the temptation to earn money by smuggling. It seems to me that this is the fault of the government. I also fundamentally smoke smuggled cigarettes. The government must understand that it is impossible so arrogant to climb into the pockets of the citizens.

As someone who is conservative and just celebrated a year of sobriety, I'm all for it. I probably lean more towards decriminalization than legalization but I think it's time. The ban only profits drug dealers and criminalizes people with addiction issues. Portugal has been a great example of decriminalization working.

I agree. I think sometimes some conservative people need to broaden their perspective a bit. sometimes its better to regulate some drugs than to completely outlaw them. of course that doesn't include laboratory drugs like meth and cocaine.

You cannot be a little pregnant. Any drugs are not only toxic to the body, but also the provocation of crime. If the person is not in control of your consciousness it is always dangerous to others. I'm against drugs.

It doesn't matter! It's your body and your responsibility.
If you are numbing yourself with drugs and get jailed for it, it won't eliminate the problem. People who do it usually have some mental or social problems and want to forget by using drugs. If you jail them they will either kill themselves in prison or serve the sentence, get out and start taking again, because you haven't cured them, you just made them feel more miserable.

The law enforcement agents in these countries can be bribed, and once they get their share they normally turn a blind eye to the smuggling of cigarettes. You are right about the tax rates. Who will agree to pay 500% or 600% tax? It is just ridiculous.

There will always be those people who do not care for tax and will pay that 500 percents, because they have money and they do not need to worry if they pay that much for something. But that have more effect on poorer people, they are the ones that will protest. But there will always be black market and there will always be people who will seek there own fortune. That can not be stopped.

Against legalization, only those who are worried about the health of their loved ones and all the people in the country can act. Legalize only those who make money on human suffering.

Of course, if it refers to drugs and those who use them philosophically, Yes indeed that drug addiction is a sick people. That's just who knows, though, succumbing. Treatment for a person in quantity or is cured?

And I think that the state itself is guilty of the situation. People can pay taxes, but only the toga when it is fair and justified. The situation with cigarettes, alcoholic beverages and fuels more like a robbery, but not on taxes.

Hell no. You should not allow someone to take drugs especially when it causes the user an aggression and can hurt other people. You would understand the feeling if one of yoir love ones will be a victim of a illegal drug user

What's most ironic is how much non-consumers actually benefit from legalization. They save tax-money that otherwise would be wasted on the prison and juridical system, they benefit from the extra tax income and jobs created by legalization. They benefit as the dealers on the street disappear, some of them getting a legit job.

They are not harmful, if taken in moderation. But if you consume more than the limit, then you may lose your self-control. This is true not only with drugs, but also with other substances such as alcohol.