Title: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: justusranvier on May 02, 2013, 05:19:18 PM Stefan Molynuex announced today that he's been diagnosed with lymphoma. Apparently the prognosis is good (as far as those things go) but he was unable to obtain an accurate and timely diagnosis within the Canadian medical system and had to travel internationally in order to purchase effective care.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwmr1elnxjg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwmr1elnxjg) Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 02, 2013, 05:20:50 PM Well, shit. Hope he gets well soon.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: Stampbit on May 02, 2013, 05:22:39 PM Thats the guy who made the fable game?
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 02, 2013, 05:26:59 PM Thats the guy who made the fable game? lol... no. You're thinking of Peter Molyneux (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Molyneux). Stefan is the Free Domain Radio guy. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: Abn0rmal on May 02, 2013, 06:45:00 PM Chemo isn't cheap. If you want his work to continue put your dollars and bitcoins to good use:
http://freedomainradio.com/Donate.aspx (http://freedomainradio.com/Donate.aspx) Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: MonadTran on May 04, 2013, 09:58:47 AM Oh, dammit. Hope he gets well. Going to donate once I'm back home.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 01:18:35 PM Couldn't have happened to a nicer cult leader. Asshole.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 01:32:29 PM Couldn't have happened to a nicer cult leader. Asshole.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 01:37:54 PM Couldn't have happened to a nicer cult leader. Asshole.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 01:46:40 PM Couldn't have happened to a nicer cult leader. Asshole.Couldn't have happened to a nicer cult leader. http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/ask-teacher/17969-couldnt-have-happened-nicer-person.html Quote ..and calling him a cult leader. Oh that! I was just fact-checking and encouraging people to join by providing a helpful link. It's not wrong, is it?In a thread about his potentially fatal disease? Yes, I think it's inappropriate. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 02:02:00 PM In a thread about his potentially fatal disease? Yes, I think it's inappropriate. No, it's a thread evangelising a deranged lunatic con-artist that most normal people have never even heard of (thankfully). OK, so maybe you just can't read. The title is: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma And the OP is: Stefan Molynuex announced today that he's been diagnosed with lymphoma. Apparently the prognosis is good (as far as those things go) but he was unable to obtain an accurate and timely diagnosis within the Canadian medical system and had to travel internationally in order to purchase effective care. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwmr1elnxjg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwmr1elnxjg) And you're still an ass. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 02:05:23 PM Politics board is for politics, not personal classifieds. If you can't handle it... Well, when I see a personal classified ad, I'll be sure to report it to the mods to have it moved to off topic. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 02:10:05 PM Politics board is for politics, not personal classifieds. If you can't handle it... Well, when I see a personal classified ad, I'll be sure to report it to the mods to have it moved to off topic. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 02:17:05 PM Politics board is for politics, not personal classifieds. If you can't handle it... Well, when I see a personal classified ad, I'll be sure to report it to the mods to have it moved to off topic. Appeal to authority fallacy ::) ... You are betraying your An-Cap principles by evangelising that guy. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 02:24:35 PM lets see, talking in the other thread about psychopaths... so lets look at mr. Molyneux, shall we?
He have no remorse, is irresponsible, egocentric, and charming, shows signs of antisocial behavior, and a great manipulator... My guess: Yup, psychopathic cult leader. Better stay away. (and that said, its always sad that people are dying from cancer...) Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 02:30:09 PM Now, now, don't get hysterical. Lots of normal people get cancer and other illnesses every day. You call most of them Statists. But I don't rejoice in their diagnosis, asswipe.Fuck, even Kokjo shows more empathy than you. (and that said, its always sad that people are dying from cancer...) How sad is that? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 02:40:24 PM Now, now, don't get hysterical. Lots of normal people get cancer and other illnesses every day. You call most of them Statists. But I don't rejoice in their diagnosis, asswipe.Fuck, even Kokjo shows more empathy than you. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 02:58:16 PM Now, now, don't get hysterical. Lots of normal people get cancer and other illnesses every day. You call most of them Statists. But I don't rejoice in their diagnosis, asswipe.Fuck, even Kokjo shows more empathy than you. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 03:01:31 PM (and that said, its always sad that people are dying from cancer...) How sad is that?Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 03:04:34 PM Now, now, don't get hysterical. Lots of normal people get cancer and other illnesses every day. You call most of them Statists. But I don't rejoice in their diagnosis, asswipe.Fuck, even Kokjo shows more empathy than you. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 03:05:09 PM (and that said, its always sad that people are dying from cancer...) How sad is that?You, expressing more empathy than blablahblah. You seem closed-minded and not open to the possibility that I might not be an ass. If you're not open to new possibilities/thoughts/ideas/etc., how are you ever going to learn anything new? You'd be permanently stuck in your stubborn ways like a grumpy old man. If you ever showed any signs of not being an ass, then you'd see I'm not closed minded, you're just consistently an ass.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 03:10:03 PM (and that said, its always sad that people are dying from cancer...) How sad is that?Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 03:12:49 PM (and that said, its always sad that people are dying from cancer...) How sad is that?Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 03:17:07 PM (and that said, its always sad that people are dying from cancer...) How sad is that?Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 03:26:19 PM No. I can understand why he is happy with SM to be ill. I just simply don't care. People was happy and celebrated when bin laden was killed too, you know. Sad, isn't it? That people could actually celebrate a man being gunned down in his home, without a trial?Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 03:30:42 PM No. I can understand why he is happy with SM to be ill. I just simply don't care. People was happy and celebrated when bin laden was killed too, you know. Sad, isn't it? That people could actually celebrate a man being gunned down in his home, without a trial?Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 03:37:39 PM No. I can understand why he is happy with SM to be ill. I just simply don't care. People was happy and celebrated when bin laden was killed too, you know. Sad, isn't it? That people could actually celebrate a man being gunned down in his home, without a trial?Imagine, if you will, you're sitting on the couch, dick in your hand, watching a porno. Suddenly, you hear a crash as your apartment door is kicked down. If you have a dog, it's barking is silenced with a shot. You turn around, and see several men, dressed in black from head to toe, rush in. One raises his weapon, and the last thing you see is a muzzle flash. That would kinda suck, wouldn't it? Be a bad day at the Kokjo household? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 03:39:34 PM No. I can understand why he is happy with SM to be ill. I just simply don't care. People was happy and celebrated when bin laden was killed too, you know. Sad, isn't it? That people could actually celebrate a man being gunned down in his home, without a trial?Imagine, if you will, you're sitting on the couch, dick in your hand, watching a porno. Suddenly, you hear a crash as your apartment door is kicked down. If you have a dog, it's barking is silenced with a shot. You turn around, and see several men, dressed in black from head to toe, rush in. One raises his weapon, and the last thing you see is a muzzle flash. That would kinda suck, wouldn't it? Be a bad day at the Kokjo household? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 03:46:42 PM That would kinda suck, wouldn't it? Be a bad day at the Kokjo household? What did i do to deserve that? :PYou keep interpreting my condolences as 'glee', and yet you consider yourself an authority on empathy? Interesting... You have yet to express condolences. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 03:48:48 PM Is there anything that does deserve that kind of treatment? The dude had some people fly air plains into buildings...Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 03:56:02 PM Is there anything that does deserve that kind of treatment? The dude had some people fly air plains into buildings...For all we know, Bin Laden was just the PR agent. A trial would have revealed that. So, back to our little empathy exercise. Don't you think that would kinda suck? At least a little? Wouldn't you have preferred to be arrested and brought to trial instead of being summarily executed? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 03:58:53 PM For all we know, Bin Laden was just the PR agent. A trial would have revealed that. may i ask how?So, back to our little empathy exercise. Don't you think that would kinda suck? At least a little? Wouldn't you have preferred to be arrested and brought to trial instead of being summarily executed? Killing bad persons is not bad. Satisfied?(no, i will not bite!) Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: justusranvier on May 04, 2013, 04:00:47 PM This is the last time I forget to select "Self moderated topic" when I create a thread in this section of the forum.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 04:01:54 PM This is the last time I forget to select "Self moderated topic" when I create a thread in this section of the forum. please explain... are you saying that you wants to limit other peoples free speech?Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 04:02:32 PM For all we know, Bin Laden was just the PR agent. A trial would have revealed that. may i ask how?So, back to our little empathy exercise. Don't you think that would kinda suck? At least a little? Wouldn't you have preferred to be arrested and brought to trial instead of being summarily executed? Killing bad persons is not bad. Satisfied?Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 04:04:19 PM For all we know, Bin Laden was just the PR agent. A trial would have revealed that. may i ask how?So, back to our little empathy exercise. Don't you think that would kinda suck? At least a little? Wouldn't you have preferred to be arrested and brought to trial instead of being summarily executed? Killing bad persons is not bad. Satisfied?Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 04:08:08 PM For all we know, Bin Laden was just the PR agent. A trial would have revealed that. may i ask how?So, back to our little empathy exercise. Don't you think that would kinda suck? At least a little? Wouldn't you have preferred to be arrested and brought to trial instead of being summarily executed? Killing bad persons is not bad. Satisfied?Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 04:16:04 PM For all we know, Bin Laden was just the PR agent. A trial would have revealed that. may i ask how?So, back to our little empathy exercise. Don't you think that would kinda suck? At least a little? Wouldn't you have preferred to be arrested and brought to trial instead of being summarily executed? Killing bad persons is not bad. Satisfied?I understand the NAP, its inconsistent, and i disagree with it. The use of force is useful in some situations, whatever you like it or not. and killing bad people is not bad, when its done in the best interest of the society. in other words: its perfectly okay to kill people under some circumstances. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 04:22:39 PM I understand the NAP, its inconsistent, and i disagree with it. The use of force is useful in some situations, whatever you like it or not. Hey, fun fact: the NAP does allow the use of force, even lethal force, under some circumstances. and killing bad people is not bad, when its done in the best interest of the society. in other words: its perfectly okay to kill people under some circumstances. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 04:28:52 PM I understand the NAP, its inconsistent, and i disagree with it. The use of force is useful in some situations, whatever you like it or not. Hey, fun fact: the NAP does allow the use of force, even lethal force, under some circumstances. and killing bad people is not bad, when its done in the best interest of the society. in other words: its perfectly okay to kill people under some circumstances. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 04:31:28 PM I understand the NAP, its inconsistent, and i disagree with it. The use of force is useful in some situations, whatever you like it or not. Hey, fun fact: the NAP does allow the use of force, even lethal force, under some circumstances. and killing bad people is not bad, when its done in the best interest of the society. in other words: its perfectly okay to kill people under some circumstances. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 04:33:16 PM I understand the NAP, its inconsistent, and i disagree with it. The use of force is useful in some situations, whatever you like it or not. Hey, fun fact: the NAP does allow the use of force, even lethal force, under some circumstances. and killing bad people is not bad, when its done in the best interest of the society. in other words: its perfectly okay to kill people under some circumstances. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 04:34:15 PM I understand the NAP, its inconsistent, and i disagree with it. The use of force is useful in some situations, whatever you like it or not. Hey, fun fact: the NAP does allow the use of force, even lethal force, under some circumstances. and killing bad people is not bad, when its done in the best interest of the society. in other words: its perfectly okay to kill people under some circumstances. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 04:37:59 PM I understand the NAP, its inconsistent, and i disagree with it. The use of force is useful in some situations, whatever you like it or not. Hey, fun fact: the NAP does allow the use of force, even lethal force, under some circumstances. and killing bad people is not bad, when its done in the best interest of the society. in other words: its perfectly okay to kill people under some circumstances. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 04:40:21 PM he put airplanes into buildings. But was he aggressing?Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 04:43:02 PM he put airplanes into buildings. But was he aggressing?Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: Schleicher on May 04, 2013, 04:51:50 PM I think I can predict what myrkul is going to answer:
Bin Laden did not fly any plane. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 04:52:59 PM he put airplanes into buildings. But was he aggressing?Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 05:06:24 PM he put airplanes into buildings. But was he aggressing?so it is okay to beat someone up, and then stop aggressing when someone is about to stop you, so that they can't do you anything? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 05:16:17 PM he put airplanes into buildings. But was he aggressing?so it is okay to beat someone up, and then stop aggressing when someone is about to stop you, so that they can't do you anything? No, that's not OK. You were beating someone up, causing them harm. You'll need to repay that harm. But any force applied to you after you stop isn't repelling force with force, it's retaliation. The NAP is silent on retaliatory force, but logic dictates that it's counterproductive. It's hard to extract restitution from a man you put into the hospital, even harder from a dead man.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: Schleicher on May 04, 2013, 05:22:47 PM <irony on>
Yeah, right. When I'm being beaten up all I care about is the money I will get. <irony off> Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 05:25:05 PM i don't think so, no(but "they" said that he was reaching for a gun). Well, if a bunch of armed men burst into your house wouldn't you reach for a gun (assuming you had one, which, as a good Dane, I know you don't)? And if you did reach for a gun, would you be aggressing, or acting in self-defense?[/quote] in this case, self defense and aggressing is the same thing. so it is okay to beat someone up, and then stop aggressing when someone is about to stop you, so that they can't do you anything? No, that's not OK. You were beating someone up, causing them harm. You'll need to repay that harm. But any force applied to you after you stop isn't repelling force with force, it's retaliation. The NAP is silent on retaliatory force, but logic dictates that it's counterproductive. It's hard to extract restitution from a man you put into the hospital, even harder from a dead man.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 05:29:35 PM <irony on> Well, fight back, then, silly. Yeah, right. When I'm being beaten up all I care about is the money I will get. <irony off> in this case, self defense and aggressing is the same thing. I'm afraid that's a straight-up impossibility. You cannot be defending yourself from the initiation of force and at the same time initiating force.so it is okay to beat someone up, and then stop aggressing when someone is about to stop you, so that they can't do you anything? No, that's not OK. You were beating someone up, causing them harm. You'll need to repay that harm. But any force applied to you after you stop isn't repelling force with force, it's retaliation. The NAP is silent on retaliatory force, but logic dictates that it's counterproductive. It's hard to extract restitution from a man you put into the hospital, even harder from a dead man.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 05:34:39 PM in this case, self defense and aggressing is the same thing. I'm afraid that's a straight-up impossibility. You cannot be defending yourself from the initiation of force and at the same time initiating force.perfectly simple. so it is okay to beat someone up, and then stop aggressing when someone is about to stop you, so that they can't do you anything? No, that's not OK. You were beating someone up, causing them harm. You'll need to repay that harm. But any force applied to you after you stop isn't repelling force with force, it's retaliation. The NAP is silent on retaliatory force, but logic dictates that it's counterproductive. It's hard to extract restitution from a man you put into the hospital, even harder from a dead man.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 05:48:25 PM in this case, self defense and aggressing is the same thing. I'm afraid that's a straight-up impossibility. You cannot be defending yourself from the initiation of force and at the same time initiating force.perfectly simple. so it is okay to beat someone up, and then stop aggressing when someone is about to stop you, so that they can't do you anything? No, that's not OK. You were beating someone up, causing them harm. You'll need to repay that harm. But any force applied to you after you stop isn't repelling force with force, it's retaliation. The NAP is silent on retaliatory force, but logic dictates that it's counterproductive. It's hard to extract restitution from a man you put into the hospital, even harder from a dead man.When you act outside the social structure, don't be surprised when it doesn't come to your aid. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 05:52:06 PM That means nobody would come to your aid in the event you were attacked. LOL!!!!!! The aid can't do anything.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 05:54:40 PM That means nobody would come to your aid in the event you were attacked. LOL!!!!!! The aid can't do anything.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 06:03:40 PM That means nobody would come to your aid in the event you were attacked. LOL!!!!!! The aid can't do anything.also the guy i beat up, would break the NAP by aggressing against me, after i have aggresed against him and stopped again. in a NAP based society, a person that did not respect the NAP would be god like! WIN! Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 06:08:41 PM That means nobody would come to your aid in the event you were attacked. LOL!!!!!! The aid can't do anything.also the guy i beat up, would break the NAP by aggressing against me, after i have aggresed against him and stopped again. in a NAP based society, a person that did not respect the NAP would be god like! WIN! In a NAP based society, a person that did not respect the NAP would be an outlaw. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: Anon136 on May 04, 2013, 06:08:57 PM That means nobody would come to your aid in the event you were attacked. LOL!!!!!! The aid can't do anything.also the guy i beat up, would break the NAP by aggressing against me, after i have aggresed against him and stopped again. in a NAP based society, a person that did not respect the NAP would be god like! WIN! if someone damages you or your property than its not aggression to demand just compensation. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 06:10:37 PM Except for one tiny little thing: By not respecting the NAP, you're not protected under it. So im forced to respect the NAP? or get buttfucked by some "freedom" loving crazies?In a NAP based society, a person that did not respect the NAP would be an outlaw. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: Anon136 on May 04, 2013, 06:12:17 PM Except for one tiny little thing: By not respecting the NAP, you're not protected under it. So im forced to respect the NAP? or get buttfucked by some "freedom" loving crazies?In a NAP based society, a person that did not respect the NAP would be an outlaw. the point is that you shouldnt have a problem with being "forced" to not be aggressive. Because for the other person that is called self defense. And yes people have the right to defend themselves. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 06:12:42 PM That means nobody would come to your aid in the event you were attacked. LOL!!!!!! The aid can't do anything.also the guy i beat up, would break the NAP by aggressing against me, after i have aggresed against him and stopped again. in a NAP based society, a person that did not respect the NAP would be god like! WIN! if someone damages you or your property than its not aggression to demand just compensation. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 06:14:23 PM Either the NAP was more stupid, hipocritic and inconsistent then i expected. or the US was allowed, by NAP, to kill Bin Laden.
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 06:14:35 PM Except for one tiny little thing: By not respecting the NAP, you're not protected under it. So im forced to respect the NAP? or get buttfucked by some "freedom" loving crazies?In a NAP based society, a person that did not respect the NAP would be an outlaw. No, You're free to not respect the NAP. Just don't expect protection under it if you don't. If you're going to be acting antisocially, why should society keep you around? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: hawkeye on May 04, 2013, 06:16:05 PM Except for one tiny little thing: By not respecting the NAP, you're not protected under it. In a NAP based society, a person that did not respect the NAP would be an outlaw. Just to clarify this, there is obviously no way to enforce the NAP in a free society, right? Obviously, there is no central authority and thus no central law as such. People would be free to agree with it or not. It's just that you would have security companies enforcing property rights. And they would hire arbitration companies for disputes between different customers of different companies. Or something along those lines. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 06:18:14 PM Either the NAP was more stupid, hipocritic and inconsistent then i expected. or the US was allowed, by NAP, to kill Bin Laden. See, The US is not a NAP based society. It's based instead on the Constitution, which guarantees criminals a swift and fair trial.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: Anon136 on May 04, 2013, 06:21:39 PM That means nobody would come to your aid in the event you were attacked. LOL!!!!!! The aid can't do anything.also the guy i beat up, would break the NAP by aggressing against me, after i have aggresed against him and stopped again. in a NAP based society, a person that did not respect the NAP would be god like! WIN! if someone damages you or your property than its not aggression to demand just compensation. We do not believe that using violence to acquire just compensation from an aggressor is a form of aggression. In the same way that not all violence is aggression because some violence is defensive. Using violence to uphold justice is similarly not aggression. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 06:24:08 PM Except for one tiny little thing: By not respecting the NAP, you're not protected under it. So im forced to respect the NAP? or get buttfucked by some "freedom" loving crazies?In a NAP based society, a person that did not respect the NAP would be an outlaw. No, You're free to not respect the NAP. Just don't expect protection under it if you don't. If you're going to be acting antisocially, why should society keep you around? Either the NAP was more stupid, hipocritic and inconsistent then i expected. or the US was allowed, by NAP, to kill Bin Laden. See, The US is not a NAP based society. It's based instead on the Constitution, which guarantees criminals a swift and fair trial.Except for one tiny little thing: By not respecting the NAP, you're not protected under it. In a NAP based society, a person that did not respect the NAP would be an outlaw. Just to clarify this, there is obviously no way to enforce the NAP in a free society, right? Obviously, there is no central authority and thus no central law as such. People would be free to agree with it or not. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 06:25:52 PM We do not believe that using violence to acquire just compensation from an aggressor is a form of aggression. In the same way that not all violence is aggression because some violence is defensive. Using violence to uphold justice is similarly not aggression. oh, justice, you mean enforcement of arbitrary rules? who's rules?Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: hawkeye on May 04, 2013, 06:27:19 PM We do not believe that using violence to acquire just compensation from an aggressor is a form of aggression. In the same way that not all violence is aggression because some violence is defensive. Using violence to uphold justice is similarly not aggression. But violence is always a last resort. In a free society you would have contracts which obliged people to go to arbitration when there are disputes I would think. Unless, someone didn't have there own security provider. But I would think that would be as rare as not having utility providers like water and electricity. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 06:30:37 PM Except for one tiny little thing: By not respecting the NAP, you're not protected under it. So im forced to respect the NAP? or get buttfucked by some "freedom" loving crazies?In a NAP based society, a person that did not respect the NAP would be an outlaw. No, You're free to not respect the NAP. Just don't expect protection under it if you don't. If you're going to be acting antisocially, why should society keep you around? "In other words, respect the principle that I have no right to initiate the use of force against another person or have force used against me. I feel the gun to my head now, but sure sure it's my choice." So, you want to be able to use force against other people, without them being able to use force against you, right? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: hawkeye on May 04, 2013, 06:31:25 PM no way to enforce it. but you people would be a bunch of hypocrites too, if you did not respected it to the letter. The vast majority of people respect it now. The only institution that allows for the initiation of aggression and calls it OK is the government. Without the government it would be perfectly obvious to everyone that the initiation of aggression is wrong, just as it is now for everyone but govt. And people would not directly rob from their neighbours. In fact, that's the reason why they don't want to get rid of the government. Because they know they can't get away with it themselves. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: hawkeye on May 04, 2013, 06:36:34 PM no way to enforce it. but you people would be a bunch of hypocrites too, if you did not respected it to the letter. Oh and it would be enforced. Through the protection of property rights when you sign a contract with a security company. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 06:36:59 PM no way to enforce it. but you people would be a bunch of hypocrites too, if you did not respected it to the letter. The vast majority of people respect it now. The only institution that allows for the initiation of aggression and calls it OK is the government. Without the government it would be perfectly obvious to everyone that the initiation of aggression is wrong, just as it is now for everyone but govt. And people would not directly rob from their neighbours. In fact, that's the reason why they don't want to get rid of the government. Because they know they can't get away with it themselves. if there was no police, people would be taking what they wanted if they have the necessary force. (yes yes, go on talk about pseudo-police private security firm) Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: hawkeye on May 04, 2013, 06:41:39 PM no way to enforce it. but you people would be a bunch of hypocrites too, if you did not respected it to the letter. The vast majority of people respect it now. The only institution that allows for the initiation of aggression and calls it OK is the government. Without the government it would be perfectly obvious to everyone that the initiation of aggression is wrong, just as it is now for everyone but govt. And people would not directly rob from their neighbours. In fact, that's the reason why they don't want to get rid of the government. Because they know they can't get away with it themselves. if there was no police, people would be taking what they wanted if they have the necessary force. (yes yes, go on talk about pseudo-police private security firm) Some would, there is no doubt. I have never doubted nor claimed that security wouldn't be needed. People should have the choice though and not be forced to pay a monopoly protection racket. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: Anon136 on May 04, 2013, 06:42:04 PM We do not believe that using violence to acquire just compensation from an aggressor is a form of aggression. In the same way that not all violence is aggression because some violence is defensive. Using violence to uphold justice is similarly not aggression. oh, justice, you mean enforcement of arbitrary rules? who's rules?If you are on your own property and you are doing crazy stuff than dont be surprised if bad things happen to you and no one really cares to attempt to punish the person who does bad things to you, after all why should they. If you are on someone elses property and doing things that they dont like, than you will be asked to leave. if you refuse to leave than they will pay someone to make you leave. if you try to pay someone to prevent the legitimate property owner from making you leave than you would find it prohibitively expensive. if you defraud people and refuse to pay just compensation. Even though a person could hire some mussle to take back his property much more cheaply than you could possably expect to hire people to defend your illegitimate claim. People would most likely find that social ostracism was more than enough to protect against fraudsters. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 06:44:13 PM So you've pretty much described how and why the State helps to guarantee people's freedom. The state doesn't guarantee any of that. It just claims a monopoly on it.Freedom from lynch mobs. Freedom from "law of the jungle" mob 'justice'. Freedom from persecution based on past behaviour. While past behaviour may still be taken into account, the process is formalised so that everyone is treated as fairly as possible. Freedom from witch-hunts. Justice: another point that An-Cap sucks at. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 06:44:48 PM no way to enforce it. but you people would be a bunch of hypocrites too, if you did not respected it to the letter. The vast majority of people respect it now. The only institution that allows for the initiation of aggression and calls it OK is the government. Without the government it would be perfectly obvious to everyone that the initiation of aggression is wrong, just as it is now for everyone but govt. And people would not directly rob from their neighbours. In fact, that's the reason why they don't want to get rid of the government. Because they know they can't get away with it themselves. if there was no police, people would be taking what they wanted if they have the necessary force. (yes yes, go on talk about pseudo-police private security firm) Some would, there is no doubt. I have never doubted nor claimed that security wouldn't be needed. People should have the choice though and not be forced to pay a monopoly protection racket. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 06:47:53 PM but your private security firms would also be protection rackets. Nope. Protection rackets need monopoly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_racket Quote A protection racketeer cannot tolerate competition within his sphere of influence from another racketeer. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 06:50:27 PM but your private security firms would also be protection rackets. Nope. Protection rackets need monopoly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_racket Quote A protection racketeer cannot tolerate competition within his sphere of influence from another racketeer. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: hawkeye on May 04, 2013, 06:53:22 PM no way to enforce it. but you people would be a bunch of hypocrites too, if you did not respected it to the letter. The vast majority of people respect it now. The only institution that allows for the initiation of aggression and calls it OK is the government. Without the government it would be perfectly obvious to everyone that the initiation of aggression is wrong, just as it is now for everyone but govt. And people would not directly rob from their neighbours. In fact, that's the reason why they don't want to get rid of the government. Because they know they can't get away with it themselves. if there was no police, people would be taking what they wanted if they have the necessary force. (yes yes, go on talk about pseudo-police private security firm) Some would, there is no doubt. I have never doubted nor claimed that security wouldn't be needed. People should have the choice though and not be forced to pay a monopoly protection racket. I would be free to choose which one I pay and which services I get. And leave and get another provider if I wasn't happy. It's all my choice. With the government, I don't have a choice. It's pay or else. And I would be free not to have one at all if I didn't want. But that's like not going with a phone company or electricity company. I could not do it, but my life would be worse off. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 06:54:56 PM i see that start of a war(take out the competition), or the collaboration between 'voluntary' security firms. Quote from: Gustave de Molinari Under the rule of free competition, war between the producers of security entirely loses its justification. Why would they make war? To conquer consumers? But the consumers would not allow themselves to be conquered. They would be careful not to allow themselves to be protected by men who would unscrupulously attack the persons and property of their rivals. If some audacious conqueror tried to become dictator, they would immediately call to their aid all the free consumers menaced by this aggression, and they would treat him as he deserved. Just as war is the natural consequence of monopoly, peace is the natural consequence of liberty. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 06:56:31 PM i see that start of a war(take out the competition), or the collaboration between 'voluntary' security firms. Quote from: Gustave de Molinari Under the rule of free competition, war between the producers of security entirely loses its justification. Why would they make war? To conquer consumers? But the consumers would not allow themselves to be conquered. They would be careful not to allow themselves to be protected by men who would unscrupulously attack the persons and property of their rivals. If some audacious conqueror tried to become dictator, they would immediately call to their aid all the free consumers menaced by this aggression, and they would treat him as he deserved. Just as war is the natural consequence of monopoly, peace is the natural consequence of liberty. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: hawkeye on May 04, 2013, 06:58:21 PM but your private security firms would also be protection rackets. Nope. Protection rackets need monopoly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_racket Quote A protection racketeer cannot tolerate competition within his sphere of influence from another racketeer. On the open market, wars are expensive. Think of all the personnel you lose, healthcare costs, property damage, all the weapons and ammunition. That would do serious damage to a companies bottom line. Not to mention having to go constantly into the job market to replace lost personnel. People would soon get pissed off if they were constantly shooting up their neighbourhoods too. The only institution that can fight wars is govt because they can forcibly take money, print war bonds and ultimately print money if necessary. The smart thing for security companies that have disputes would be to agree to go to arbitration. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 06:59:03 PM i see that start of a war(take out the competition), or the collaboration between 'voluntary' security firms. Quote from: Gustave de Molinari Under the rule of free competition, war between the producers of security entirely loses its justification. Why would they make war? To conquer consumers? But the consumers would not allow themselves to be conquered. They would be careful not to allow themselves to be protected by men who would unscrupulously attack the persons and property of their rivals. If some audacious conqueror tried to become dictator, they would immediately call to their aid all the free consumers menaced by this aggression, and they would treat him as he deserved. Just as war is the natural consequence of monopoly, peace is the natural consequence of liberty. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 07:06:20 PM i see that start of a war(take out the competition), or the collaboration between 'voluntary' security firms. Quote from: Gustave de Molinari Under the rule of free competition, war between the producers of security entirely loses its justification. Why would they make war? To conquer consumers? But the consumers would not allow themselves to be conquered. They would be careful not to allow themselves to be protected by men who would unscrupulously attack the persons and property of their rivals. If some audacious conqueror tried to become dictator, they would immediately call to their aid all the free consumers menaced by this aggression, and they would treat him as he deserved. Just as war is the natural consequence of monopoly, peace is the natural consequence of liberty. but collaboration would be a much more likely way they would take, to push the prices and gain power. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: hawkeye on May 04, 2013, 07:19:14 PM Could you imagine a society where everyone was talking to each other about what they stole from another person that day? No, because everyone knows stealing is wrong. And most people would not want to live in such a society, not to mention it would collapse pretty quick anyway if nobody's possessions were safe.
It's just when you have the state as a middleman, people get to ignore the stealing. There is no way in a free society, or any society, that most people would think stealing is OK. Some might but they would be in the minority and that's what you have security for. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 07:20:33 PM Then answer his question. Why would they make war? To gain market share. it is strategy 101: take out your competition, and be rich.Lose men, either directly through combat losses, or indirectly from quitting. Lose customers to other defense firms who aren't going to waste money attacking when they should be defending. Don't gain the customers of the defeated rival. They're much more likely to go to one of the other firms which don't waste their money. So how is that going to make anyone rich? but collaboration would be a much more likely way they would take, to push the prices and gain power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartel#Long-term_unsustainability_of_cartelsQuote Game theory suggests that cartels are inherently unstable, as the behaviour of members of a cartel is an example of a prisoner's dilemma. Each member of a cartel would be able to make more profit by breaking the agreement (producing a greater quantity or selling at a lower price than that agreed) than it could make by abiding by it. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 07:42:25 PM Then answer his question. Why would they make war? To gain market share. it is strategy 101: take out your competition, and be rich.Lose men, either directly through combat losses, or indirectly from quitting. Lose customers to other defense firms who aren't going to waste money attacking when they should be defending. Don't gain the customers of the defeated rival. They're much more likely to go to one of the other firms which don't waste their money. So how is that going to make anyone rich? but collaboration would be a much more likely way they would take, to push the prices and gain power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartel#Long-term_unsustainability_of_cartelsQuote Game theory suggests that cartels are inherently unstable, as the behaviour of members of a cartel is an example of a prisoner's dilemma. Each member of a cartel would be able to make more profit by breaking the agreement (producing a greater quantity or selling at a lower price than that agreed) than it could make by abiding by it. Quote The incentive to cheat explains why cartels are generally difficult to sustain in the long run. Empirical studies of 20th century cartels have determined that the mean duration of discovered cartels is from 5 to 8 years. However, one private cartel operated peacefully for 134 years before disbanding.[7] There is a danger that once a cartel is broken, the incentives to form the cartel return and the cartel may be re-formed. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 07:51:18 PM Then answer his question. Why would they make war? To gain market share. it is strategy 101: take out your competition, and be rich.Lose men, either directly through combat losses, or indirectly from quitting. Lose customers to other defense firms who aren't going to waste money attacking when they should be defending. Don't gain the customers of the defeated rival. They're much more likely to go to one of the other firms which don't waste their money. So how is that going to make anyone rich? but collaboration would be a much more likely way they would take, to push the prices and gain power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartel#Long-term_unsustainability_of_cartelsQuote Game theory suggests that cartels are inherently unstable, as the behaviour of members of a cartel is an example of a prisoner's dilemma. Each member of a cartel would be able to make more profit by breaking the agreement (producing a greater quantity or selling at a lower price than that agreed) than it could make by abiding by it. Quote The incentive to cheat explains why cartels are generally difficult to sustain in the long run. Empirical studies of 20th century cartels have determined that the mean duration of discovered cartels is from 5 to 8 years. However, one private cartel operated peacefully for 134 years before disbanding.[7] There is a danger that once a cartel is broken, the incentives to form the cartel return and the cartel may be re-formed. Also from the article: Quote The greater the number of firms, the more probable it is that one of those firms is a maverick firm; that is, a firm known for pursuing aggressive and independent pricing strategy. Even in the case of a concentrated market, with few firms, the existence of such a firm may undermine the collusive behaviour of the cartel. How likely do you think it will be that a maverick will pop up, in a market with no barriers to entry save overhead? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 07:54:14 PM Quote The greater the number of firms, the more probable it is that one of those firms is a maverick firm; that is, a firm known for pursuing aggressive and independent pricing strategy. Even in the case of a concentrated market, with few firms, the existence of such a firm may undermine the collusive behaviour of the cartel. How likely do you think it will be that a maverick will pop up, in a market with no barriers to entry save overhead? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 07:56:14 PM Quote The greater the number of firms, the more probable it is that one of those firms is a maverick firm; that is, a firm known for pursuing aggressive and independent pricing strategy. Even in the case of a concentrated market, with few firms, the existence of such a firm may undermine the collusive behaviour of the cartel. How likely do you think it will be that a maverick will pop up, in a market with no barriers to entry save overhead? Except that when you "take out" a competitor, you: Lose men, either directly through combat losses, or indirectly from quitting. Lose customers to other defense firms who aren't going to waste money attacking when they should be defending. Don't gain the customers of the defeated rival. They're much more likely to go to one of the other firms which don't waste their money. So how is that going to make anyone rich? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 07:56:58 PM Quote The greater the number of firms, the more probable it is that one of those firms is a maverick firm; that is, a firm known for pursuing aggressive and independent pricing strategy. Even in the case of a concentrated market, with few firms, the existence of such a firm may undermine the collusive behaviour of the cartel. How likely do you think it will be that a maverick will pop up, in a market with no barriers to entry save overhead? Except that when you "take out" a competitor, you: Lose men, either directly through combat losses, or indirectly from quitting. Lose customers to other defense firms who aren't going to waste money attacking when they should be defending. Don't gain the customers of the defeated rival. They're much more likely to go to one of the other firms which don't waste their money. So how is that going to make anyone rich? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 07:58:12 PM Quote The greater the number of firms, the more probable it is that one of those firms is a maverick firm; that is, a firm known for pursuing aggressive and independent pricing strategy. Even in the case of a concentrated market, with few firms, the existence of such a firm may undermine the collusive behaviour of the cartel. How likely do you think it will be that a maverick will pop up, in a market with no barriers to entry save overhead? Except that when you "take out" a competitor, you: Lose men, either directly through combat losses, or indirectly from quitting. Lose customers to other defense firms who aren't going to waste money attacking when they should be defending. Don't gain the customers of the defeated rival. They're much more likely to go to one of the other firms which don't waste their money. So how is that going to make anyone rich? Lose men, either directly through combat losses, or indirectly from quitting. Lose customers to other defense firms who aren't going to waste money attacking when they should be defending. Don't gain the customers of the defeated rival. They're much more likely to go to one of the other firms which don't waste their money. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: Anon136 on May 04, 2013, 09:46:51 PM i see that start of a war(take out the competition), or the collaboration between 'voluntary' security firms. Quote from: Gustave de Molinari Under the rule of free competition, war between the producers of security entirely loses its justification. Why would they make war? To conquer consumers? But the consumers would not allow themselves to be conquered. They would be careful not to allow themselves to be protected by men who would unscrupulously attack the persons and property of their rivals. If some audacious conqueror tried to become dictator, they would immediately call to their aid all the free consumers menaced by this aggression, and they would treat him as he deserved. Just as war is the natural consequence of monopoly, peace is the natural consequence of liberty. but collaboration would be a much more likely way they would take, to push the prices and gain power. you cant "take out" your competition in a free market. It will be instantly replaced by new competition. The only way you can "take out" the competition is if you can keep out new competition. There is no mechanism that i am aware of for doing this other than the state. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 05, 2013, 10:29:19 AM you cant "take out" your competition in a free market. It will be instantly replaced by new competition. The only way you can "take out" the competition is if you can keep out new competition. There is no mechanism that i am aware of for doing this other than the state. [/quote oh! i know a method that can achieve this! its called "a gun to the head"-method, and it work incredible when there is no one that restricts the usage of guns. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: hawkeye on May 05, 2013, 02:41:14 PM Disease and The Drive to Hide with Stefan Molyneux and Jeffrey Tucker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbkYg3saQSc Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 05, 2013, 02:46:18 PM you cant "take out" your competition in a free market. It will be instantly replaced by new competition. The only way you can "take out" the competition is if you can keep out new competition. There is no mechanism that i am aware of for doing this other than the state. oh! i know a method that can achieve this! its called "a gun to the head"-method, and it work incredible when there is no one that restricts the usage of guns.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 05, 2013, 02:51:11 PM you cant "take out" your competition in a free market. It will be instantly replaced by new competition. The only way you can "take out" the competition is if you can keep out new competition. There is no mechanism that i am aware of for doing this other than the state. oh! i know a method that can achieve this! its called "a gun to the head"-method, and it work incredible when there is no one that restricts the usage of guns.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: Anon136 on May 05, 2013, 03:11:02 PM oh! i know a method that can achieve this! its called "a gun to the head"-method, and it work incredible when there is no one that restricts the usage of guns. you really dont think in the absence of government that people would purchase protection against this sort of thing? i mean people pay for cable tv and you dont think they would be willing to pay someone to protect them from being shot in the head? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 05, 2013, 03:12:09 PM you cant "take out" your competition in a free market. It will be instantly replaced by new competition. The only way you can "take out" the competition is if you can keep out new competition. There is no mechanism that i am aware of for doing this other than the state. oh! i know a method that can achieve this! its called "a gun to the head"-method, and it work incredible when there is no one that restricts the usage of guns.And you still haven't answered my question. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 05, 2013, 03:16:43 PM you cant "take out" your competition in a free market. It will be instantly replaced by new competition. The only way you can "take out" the competition is if you can keep out new competition. There is no mechanism that i am aware of for doing this other than the state. oh! i know a method that can achieve this! its called "a gun to the head"-method, and it work incredible when there is no one that restricts the usage of guns.Quote And you still haven't answered my question. yes, i have thought it through.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 05, 2013, 03:25:14 PM A lower chance of getting shot just increases the chances you will be assaulted with another weapon. Such as a knife. Or a bat. proof please.Here you go (http://books.google.com/books/about/More_Guns_Less_Crime.html?id=j6cMYKRgqQ8C). And you still haven't answered my question. yes, i have thought it through.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 05, 2013, 04:26:42 PM A lower chance of getting shot just increases the chances you will be assaulted with another weapon. Such as a knife. Or a bat. proof please.Here you go (http://books.google.com/books/about/More_Guns_Less_Crime.html?id=j6cMYKRgqQ8C). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott#Disputed_survey just saying... And you still haven't answered my question. yes, i have thought it through.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 05, 2013, 04:30:32 PM And you still haven't answered my question. yes, i have thought it through.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 05, 2013, 04:32:50 PM And you still haven't answered my question. yes, i have thought it through.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 05, 2013, 04:40:04 PM good too, but in the movies its always the good guys that wins. in reality i would say that its 50/50, which sucks. OK, let's take that assumption. In an armed conflict, the good guys win half the time, the bad guys win the other half. Do you think that there are more bad guys, or good? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 05, 2013, 04:42:33 PM good too, but in the movies its always the good guys that wins. in reality i would say that its 50/50, which sucks. OK, let's take that assumption. In an armed conflict, the good guys win half the time, the bad guys win the other half. Do you think that there are more bad guys, or good? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 05, 2013, 04:48:47 PM good too, but in the movies its always the good guys that wins. in reality i would say that its 50/50, which sucks. OK, let's take that assumption. In an armed conflict, the good guys win half the time, the bad guys win the other half. Do you think that there are more bad guys, or good? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 05, 2013, 04:54:28 PM good too, but in the movies its always the good guys that wins. in reality i would say that its 50/50, which sucks. OK, let's take that assumption. In an armed conflict, the good guys win half the time, the bad guys win the other half. Do you think that there are more bad guys, or good? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 05, 2013, 04:57:59 PM good too, but in the movies its always the good guys that wins. in reality i would say that its 50/50, which sucks. OK, let's take that assumption. In an armed conflict, the good guys win half the time, the bad guys win the other half. Do you think that there are more bad guys, or good? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 05, 2013, 05:01:29 PM good too, but in the movies its always the good guys that wins. in reality i would say that its 50/50, which sucks. OK, let's take that assumption. In an armed conflict, the good guys win half the time, the bad guys win the other half. Do you think that there are more bad guys, or good? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 05, 2013, 05:08:34 PM Then how can you support the state, given how likely it is that "bad" people will gain positions of power, and oppress the "good" minority? democracy.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 05, 2013, 05:20:00 PM Then how can you support the state, given how likely it is that "bad" people will gain positions of power, and oppress the "good" minority? democracy.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 05, 2013, 05:21:38 PM Then how can you support the state, given how likely it is that "bad" people will gain positions of power, and oppress the "good" minority? democracy.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 05, 2013, 05:23:55 PM Then how can you support the state, given how likely it is that "bad" people will gain positions of power, and oppress the "good" minority? democracy.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 05, 2013, 05:25:33 PM Then how can you support the state, given how likely it is that "bad" people will gain positions of power, and oppress the "good" minority? democracy.So now you're part of the "good" majority. Since most people are "good," and the odds of winning a fight are equal between the "good" and "bad," What problem do you have with arming everyone? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 05, 2013, 09:27:11 PM Then how can you support the state, given how likely it is that "bad" people will gain positions of power, and oppress the "good" minority? democracy.So now you're part of the "good" majority. Since most people are "good," and the odds of winning a fight are equal between the "good" and "bad," What problem do you have with arming everyone? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 05, 2013, 09:32:00 PM Then how can you support the state, given how likely it is that "bad" people will gain positions of power, and oppress the "good" minority? democracy.So now you're part of the "good" majority. Since most people are "good," and the odds of winning a fight are equal between the "good" and "bad," What problem do you have with arming everyone? Since bad people are going to be armed, anyway, don't you think the good guys should be, too? Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: Rassah on May 05, 2013, 09:51:09 PM How did it go from "Stefan Molyneux has Lymphoma" to this?
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: myrkul on May 05, 2013, 09:52:20 PM How did it go from "Stefan Molyneux has Lymphoma" to this? The troll twins, blablahblah and kokjo.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: kokjo on May 05, 2013, 09:54:25 PM How did it go from "Stefan Molyneux has Lymphoma" to this? The troll twins, blablahblah and kokjo.Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: justusranvier on May 05, 2013, 10:00:56 PM Disease and The Drive to Hide with Stefan Molyneux and Jeffrey Tucker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbkYg3saQSc)
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: dotcom on May 06, 2013, 12:52:46 AM I think I recognize this guy, is he the one that put up that youtube video with just him saying social security is worse than a ponzi scheme?
Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: Anon136 on May 06, 2013, 01:00:00 AM I think I recognize this guy, is he the one that put up that youtube video with just him saying social security is worse than a ponzi scheme? ive never known stef to be one to put up a short video about anything. what ever you saw was probably edited out of context. Title: Re: Stefan Molyneux: Lymphoma Post by: DoomDumas on May 06, 2013, 03:15:18 AM I've read few articles that sounds promising about eating canabinoid oil to cure/prevent this kind of health issue..
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