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as you can see in the thread I asked for a dated picture not once but twice with an hour of the escrow being paid. OG didnt like the 1st escrow and as he was the "ONLY TRUSTED ESCROW AVAILABLE" I decided he could self escrow the bet as he "is such a trusted member"

now it seems that he thinks he didn't have to provide a time stamped picture as that is below him.. so....

let us see what the community thinks.

I will be happy to let the community decide the outcome of this bet, should I lose I will make a formal apology to OG as stated previously. not too sure if OG will go with this as he will never admit if he is wrong.

anyway - community I call for you to vote...

EDIT: added from the original thread.

Quote from: TMAN on Today at 04:23:47 PM
0.2 sent to the escrow addy.

man up or keep talking. you have 60 mins for time proofed pics - or ill continue to call you out.

I wont apologize about nasty scam. I will apologize about calling you out personally on the cas coins though.

Edit - Txid: 0694efc07511e8679d6480cf775568e30c79feadbc50bd053383f80cd5bfde3b

clock is counting

this is a forum for Collectibles. you may want to move this to the appropriate board.

This is very relevant. As it is to do with an escrow on this board and a collectible maker.

Now please stop posting

looks like a popularity contest to me.
can you point to which comment in the other thread where any term is agreed upon? im having trouble casting my vote and that is the last piece of information i need to do so.
Thanks!

you arent deciding you are adding to your post count - now go jump back on OG's cock before it gets flaccid again, you might need to start sucking it again if thats the case.

He wanted to see intact holograms on my coins...

Terms:

Pic:

Pretty simple to see who won...

my apologies for having an opinion that does not match yours. the amount of personal insults you throw out are disgusting. i have asked for proof of agreement of terms by both parties. i look at this sort of thing unbiased. i dont care who OgNasty is or ever was. I believe i used him for escrow once because the seller decided to pick him. minerjones is my preferred escrow agent. that shouldn't matter anyways, you and all your goonies have attacked me in the other thread and it is easy to see who is racking up votes for you in this popularity contest.

These are the terms.


It's one thing to have an opinion that is objective or has substance, it's an entirely other thing to have a completely biased opinion. Guess which one is yours.

I didn't agree to those terms.  That's why my quote is ~40 minutes after yours.  That isn't even the tx of the payment he sent me for the pic.  Nice try.  

The part that you quote are not separate terms, they are a snipped repetition of this post. Nice try.

Humble opinion here...

OG made the first offer to have a bet. The terms were not agreed to at all by both parties - either due to no response from one party or by a change from one party - until these two posts quoted below.

TMAN posted:

To which OG replied (after a few posts from other members):

There's no time element indicated in these terms, just as there is no promise to apologize for or recant negative claims about OG Nasty's fan club's "raison d'être".

Just catching up here.  Dam need to read some threads.  Put all this together

Thank you.  Clear as water.  I hope everyone is watching how TMAN behaves and who sticks up for this sort of behavior.

how I behave? you started this by saying that an artists work is overpriced and everyone should sell now! or something along those lines..

you are more slippery than a snake in baby oil..  will you allow the poll to decide the winner or not? forgetting the part where you self escrowed a bet..

I almost feel like both tman and ognasty should just write a letter of apology to each other and the community. Hell both could donate to a noble cause that accepts bitcoin.
Just stop this bickering these disagreements, and hopefully we can get back to the regular collectibles trading, and cool items that some people like and don't like.

OG is respected for nastyfans and being a very reputable escrow
TMAN is respected for his reputable trade history and awesome fort kialara

If you two can't get along just ignore each other. I know the issue stems from critiques on kialara prices (1), and people complaining about the validity of collections(2).

1. Market decides prices, even if the market may be skewed
2. Who cares how legitimate or illegitimate the pictures are, this is a collector showing the beauty of Casascius coins, not selling them.



Also side note, if anyone has some popcorn I seem to have run out.
Edit: slashed some wording from my original post

as stated in the other thread. TMAN started a whole lot of drama with user Zeroxal over a very similar thing. Zeroxal had paid for Casascius Aluminum Coins that are still available on www.casascius.com , he questioned if Casascius himself may be missing or just not around checking the forum/website sales very often. This sent TMAN into a fury of which he canceled something like 6 or so Fully Gold Plated Xerola coins that he had reserved. There was more to the end of the story but I won't bring that up as I believe it was settled. Havent seen Zeroxal for awhile though.

yet again you are missing the full information, please stop commenting. we get it you love OG.. move on - its cool. Bro's loving each other is ok with me, I have several homosexual friends..

terms were set when I sent the bet, time stamped photo. later referred to as "picture"

Blazed said that.  I agreed.  Where is all your trolling of him?

I called blazed a dick in slack, but anyway - will you allow the poll to decide the winner? or are you not willing to let the community decide?

Agreed ! +1 ezeminer.

popcorn underway   :=]

this is all just so when TMAN loses he can say it was because the community decided and not that he was a complete idiot for sending bitcoin without using escrow when no terms were agreed upon.

not at all - see unlike OG I trust the community to back what is right.

i'm not sour about .2 - i've spunked more than 10X that on raffle tickets here on a few occasions.  This is about OG being happy to self escrow a bet and showing his true side.

Alright guys this i believe needs to be settle with the .4btc in a form of a donation to an international organization like the red cross.

Why?  Dicey bet.  OG you inherantly agreed to the bet when you accepted the funds, you never rejected them.  The "post a picture" was in reference to the couple posts referring to a timestamped photo.  Tman stated you have 1 hour which you replied " one hour is enough" (sorry on phone and busy cant quote everything).  With all of this the only terms you laid out were a full apology which tman denied and stated he would not do (except for the cas coins).  With his denial of that request you still accepted the funds/bet.

Though all of this was done with terms laying flat of what was expected, when it was expected (exact times), who would escrow.  A bet of .2btc would usually have all of this covered. Soooooo

I would either vote you give the btc back or throw in .2 and both of you donate to a good cause.

My 2 cents even though it probably doesnt matter

yes ive asked where the comment is that he would self-escrow this bet in the other thread. still waiting for you to show me.

what i did read though was that OgNasty said self-escrowing was not smart and that he would prefer using another escrow agent other than Zepher. This was also a misunderstanding by himself but it did show that he was against the use of a self-escrow. He goes on to call it a "very serious offense" on the collectibles board. but then you think he agrees to it?

Hey I'm with you.  All I did was agree with Blazed's statement and then TMAN spent 2 days trying to bash any project I'm a part of.  Please don't lump me being attacked and forced to provide responses with bickering.  This whole situation played out as far as I'm concerned.  I don't know why we're still discussing it.  TMAN just needs to accept reality and I'm willing to put this behind us.  Blame the people forcing me to post pictures of my holograms or face being branded a liar and saying I have to respond to them within certain time limits for causing this mess.  As usual, I'm on the defense from unfounded attacks.  Please, don't call it bickering and don't lump me in with TMAN.  That to me is excusing TMAN's behavior, and it is inexcusable.

he accepted my funds. so he accepted to be escrow - otherwise any other stand up member would of asked for a return address like Zepher did when he didnt want to escrow.

Either something in that form or nullify the agreement and return funds. Either options are an easy out, and the latter would not lead to OgNasty suffering a *financial loss* due to this misunderstanding. However, as noted in the other thread:

I didn't agree to be an escrow.  What kind of nonsense is that?  I agree to post a picture of the holograms for 0.2 BTC.  You sent me the 0.2 BTC.  I posted the pic of the holograms.  Case closed.

People should be asking themselves why the people involved are taking the sides they are, as it should be clear to any observer that I provided the requested picture of the holograms.  Never once have I been required to provide a time stamped picture on any sale I've had, but would do so if that's what it would take to get TMAN to admit he lost.  Although now he'd just say I didn't do it in time, so that should show you his intentions.  It isn't about me proving anything, it's about him starting drama to try and stir up mistrust in my products and services.

No we had a bet - i referred to a time stamped photo - proof that the coins today aren't peeled, you did not supply that. so I opened this poll and said let the community decide - you still wont let the community decide the winner of the bet.  Don't you trust this community? you don't trust them but they are expected to trust you?? or is it that you need the measly .2BTC ??

OG - everyone knows you will never admit when you are wrong, so let the community decide what is right.

Damn... I am running out of popcorn  ;D

its funny isn't it. i'm laughing here at how slippery OG has become, maybe he really is skint - I mean he had to get nasty fans to pay for some solar panels in his house

Why do you think NastyFans paid for my solar panels?  You know I paid for them right?  I literally sold my personal assets to pay for them.  They are mine.  I've always paid all the electrical costs out of pocket and the solar panels were no different...  I donate money to NastyFans, it isn't the other way around.

bets are fun dude - you know what Id be happy to donate the whole lot to charity - wikileaks is a great cause - although I would be surprised if OG would go along with that, we all know he doesn't like to back down.

you mean you sold some seats to a member - the seats are probably worth a lot less now than when you sold them to him and you now get free electricity at home! yay!

I don't want to get involved in this but I don't think a poll is a way to settle this. It's easy to use alt accounts and cast multiple votes (or just vote for the person you dislike).

Ya, blood in the streets!

https://i.imgur.com/FwzI5lI.png

Then the hour would start when OG accepted the funds (and therefore agreed to the terms), which was at 17:06 forum time. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1945817.msg19329964#msg19329964 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1945817.msg19329964#msg19329964)).

OG posted the pics at 17:51 forum time. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1944803.msg19330663#msg19330663 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1944803.msg19330663#msg19330663))

Within 1 hour of the time the transaction was confirmed and the bet was agreed to.


EDIT: This does not account for the request for a timestamped picture. I don't see any confirmation from OG agreeing to that term because while he said "an hour is enough time" he also added a new term for an apology to the Nasty Fans Club...which TMAN refused.

You are ignoring the time-stamped bit. Tman asked for a time-stamped picture twice before there was an agreement.

blood in the streets? you have been watching too many gangster films,

you do realize this is a bitcoin forum don't you? I invest here to get more bitcoins not less.. What about this simple fact don't you get? people invest bitcoins to get more bitcoins, who gives a fuck about a currency like the $ now? your president is as deluded as you are. fuck I bet you were a trump supporter yourself..

watch out for the Mexicans.... build the wall

the pictures didn't have the date on them buddy, please read the thread and notice that I requested proof it was today that the picture was taken not once but twice.

never a dull day in crypto

Viz

I think this dispute is silly and you both lost.   :P

love that - course we did, we got to school yard fighting levels.. but OG never admits he is wrong and I never give up..  I have offered 2 reasonable solutions, both ignored - so lets trash each others names instead.

handbags at dawn

Why doesn't OG just post a time stamped picture now? If he can, then he can keep the $$. Otherwise, TMAN wins/

because the bet was within 60 mins of the funds hitting escrow. he failed and is now stealing the funds, I wanted it to go to charity as we cant reach an amicable agreement

I would happily do so if that would end it.  It wouldn't.  He'd claim it was past his arbitrary time limit.  The entire thing was setup to pull me into some drama.  It isn't about whether my coins are loaded.  We all know they are (except the 1000 BTC).  I think any reasonable person can easily come to that conclusion.

A picture with my username is something I've never had to do.  It didn't even cross my mind.  It's something we ask of newbies, not outstanding forum members.  Claiming that is the reason for this drama is absurd.

So TMAN, just to further illustrate my point about your intentions, would you accept a timestamped picture now?  Not even totally sure what a timestamped picture is to be honest, but I assume you mean a piece of paper with the date and my username on it in the picture?

We all know what his response will be, but seeing him be unreasonable may be helpful.

Personally I would like to see a signed message from an address that you have posted here at least 5 years ago in an uneditted post, just to confirm that you are the real OGNasty and that your account hasn't changed hands.  

That is sarcasm if you cannot pick up on it.

TMAN never ever timestamps his photos when selling items,

To end this dispute ill accept that if you give all funds to charity, if not then no lets keep this going - i'm actually enjoying this nano.

you knew that is what I wanted in the 1st place but you chose to ignore that fact, and if you hadn't pulled all the drama queen shit you would of been able to do it in the timeframe and win the bet.

but you didn't so the self escrow thing has come to light..

In my opinion clear terms were never agreed to before funds were sent.  Without clear terms agreed to by both parties there is no bet.  I vote no bet ever took place.

Let's go with this

this still leaves the issue of OG being Self Escrow - he is above the rules in his eyes... he should of moved the funds to a more reputable forum member.

So you don't trust OG to hold 0.2 BTC. But the fourm as a whole trusts him to hold 500 BTC.

I sent him .2BTC based on his trust - it seems I was misguided as he has stolen the funds and is refusing to mediate the situation. so no I wouldn't trust him with a single satoshi now.

I never agreed to be an escrow.  You didn't provide an escrow fee.  Any thought that I would provide escrow for you after 2 days of trolling is insane.

Plus, YOU LOST THE BET.

Look.  As someone who has dealt with you both, this is painful to watch.   Why can't everyone just agree to disagree.   There's too much of this going on around here lately.  

I know some people have opinions about nastyfans.  I like it and I like the coins.  If it's not for you I respect that.  

I also like kialara.   If you don't like that, I respect that as well.  


Can we please all just start being respectful to each other?



There's a lynch mob mentality around here lately.  It's very disturbing.  Let's just not fight.  We are adults.  It's silly.  


That's my 2 satoahi.

YOU DID NOT PROVIDE PROOF THE PICTURE WAS TAKEN TODAY!!

FFS even your little lover Killyou asks in every thread to up his postcount. its a simple thing to prove something is yours on the day requested.

what don't you understand about this?

right or wrong I did not believe those coins were still funded? if they were why start a self modded thread and only post pics of one side? then when asked about it why delete my posts?

you started this game - not me...

you lost the bet - not me...

RMC you know I respect you and I have dealt with you numerous times without the need for escrow.. but this isnt about right or wrong, it is about OG not willing to lose face, I have given him 2 ways out - charity or let the community decide. he refused both, so we are here throwing toys out of our prams.

Oh boy, this is the second thread about this.

A lot of posting from many community members too, skimmed through to be honest.  

Why can't we all live and let live?

This is not even about someone getting scammed or a sale gone wrong.

Also 0.2 BTC for a pic of the back of the coins?

I mean whatever you guys do with your money... It's your money at the end of the day.

I think for the sake of this forum section as well as for potential new comers getting interested in physical crypto we should think twice before starting something like this. I understand if it's because a scam but when there isn't one... what does this solve/proves?

I know Tman and OgNasty as I have been around this forum for a while and have nothing against nor have had any problems with them.
They are both very active sellers and respectable community members.

However both have had some past issues and it shows from the passion coming out of their posts.
My suggestion: don't make yourself sound like children, because this is what it looks like to people who have no issues with the two in question.
It doesn't reflect well on this forum section IMOHO. Peace up!

totally agree with your points bud.. this isnt about 0.2BTC this is about one of the forums most trusted members abusing trust.

self escrowing is something that OG has stabbed at people for. The reason is situations like this.. I don't bet what I cannot afford to lose and this is not about winning a bet, I am sure some other members will speak up about my reckless spending of BTC.

anyway I will keep my potty mouth in check moving forwards, but this does not change the fact that OG is acting in a shady manner

I remember when I first came across this section of the forum with interest as a collector I was so amazed by the support coins manufacturers and community resellers were getting by everyone, it was a pleasure to read the various sale threads. The atmosphere was great. But since a while things have gone a bit haywire from that point of view, and I'm not considering this incident only.

It helps the community as a whole when a scammer is caught when, for instance, someone starts swiping loaded coins (see Coinographic, Alitin mint) and everyone chips in to help and figure things out swiftly, warning other users, etc. There are some very skilled and technical people on here, they can track shit that I didn't even think was possible, I also learned a lot in the process. That's when I feel like: wow this community is great, I want to be part of it.

Don't get me wrong, this section is fine and there are plenty awesome deals, coin releases, and a lot of positive energy going on.
It can only get better going forward, I hope.

If there are some personal issues don't forget you can always PM someone and let it all out.
You can also choose to go for a nice meal and forget all about it.
Count until 10 (or 100 in some cases) before going public, sometimes it does work. :)

good post C@C

although you are missing the crux of this issue, OG should of returned the funds or sent to a neutral escrow. He didnt and he abused his trust, I do not trust him and I advise other members not to either.. its a poxy 0.2BTC and now him and QS are saying that this is extortion as I said the only way I will give it up is if the community chose the outcome or all funds from us both go to charity.

shows what scum everyone is dealing with here.

as everyone can see the community is siding with OG in this matter, this is a mighty shame as he had the option of letting the community decide the outcome of the Bet. If he had chosen that option I would of been preparing a long winded apology right now, ready to post this evening my time and I would of had to of removed the negative rating.

Unfortunately OG didn't have that faith in you his customer base, he chose instead to stand by what he believed was right and totally disregard what the community was going to say about the matter. That is not the actions of a man I would trust, a man with Integrity, those are the actions of a man who will end up bitter and lonely..

anyway - this does bring to question if OG does not have faith in his client base - why are people still supporting his club? Using his escrow? buying his coins?

and please all be aware this all started due to OG slagging off Max's Kialara works - another action that I do not associate with a trusted business leader.

Peace out all!

I'd still buy you both a beer.

Thanks dude. If we ever meet up I will cover the tab

This poll is now closed. As you can all see, the community sided with OG... It is a mighty shame he didn't take this poll as a solution to the issue, He did not have faith in you, the community that him and his alter ego Nano talk about so much..

seeing as this was posted in the Nasty mining and Escrow threads the result isn't as much of a landslide as Og insinuated. Anyway that is by the by as he did not take this poll as a resolution to the issue, he should of but he didn't. Therefore he has stolen the escrow funds so I will continue with all my other threads against him – this alone has proved that he does not trust the community so why should the community trust him with funds?

Thanks all for taking part and I am sorry for some of the mean words I threw at certain forum members..

Peace out..

I only popped by because I thought we'd see some real dick pics here. Nothing? Really? Well this was just a waste of my time. How are we supposed to know who's is bigger without seeing something proportionate beside them?!!??!!?!

Oh unfunded coins too? Neat.

https://i.imgur.com/8d1OjIx.png
https://i.imgur.com/93SmDil.jpg
 (https://i.imgur.com/ap6DHii.gif)

I'd say that OgNasty should just send back the 0.2 to TMAN (you can take away the fee if you'd like) as this is getting slightly ridiculous.

Give back the BTC and call it quits. Move on with your lives. I'd suggest that Tman should ignore OgNasty going forward and OgNasty should ignore TMAN.

I can actually see both sides of this, and it has not been handled well by either side. So while there is still time, make the right thing and just draw a line and move past it.

Buddy I don't want the coin back - I wanted to resolve this a few days ago by letting the community decide (he would of won) or cancelling the bet and giving the funds to charity.  he didn't want either of those options, so we go down the path that he wanted.. all over a 0.2BTC bet..

Personally I think it is rather pathetic to continue down this path of stubbornness when 40% of the community are siding with myself, especially as this poll was posted in all of the Nasty brand threads.. you would think that if he was right that the thread would of been closer to 80/90% taking into account people who would favor myself through trade history.

anyway, this is just exposing OG for what he is a suborn man who cannot reflect on a situation or look at it through another persons eyes... not the type of character I would want ever holding my Funds again.

I get it TMAN, I really do.

I think that anyone that has dealt with or had a discussion/argument with OgNasty has realized that he is quite stubborn, sometimes even arrogant. But who in Bitcoin or especially Bitcoin Collectibles is not sometimes perceived that way?

Some could look at this and the last thread alone and come to the conclusion that you are the stubborn one. Now I think that we should revert and start over where you two don't cross paths again. Not only for you or for og, but for the community as a whole. Whether it is intended or not the two of you publicly arguing does make this section bleed and I don't want to see the "OG camp" and the "TMAN camp" publicly fighting and arguing in each and every post.

So please, for the sake of this forum section, heed my words.

Dude I haven't crossed paths with OG in over 6 months, it wasn't until he derailed my auction hosted by MJ that this kicked off. He cost me BTC in that sale and he tried to devalue my collection with his comments. He then showed off his cas coins in a self modded thread and deleted my initial comment that was in no way rude. He tried to catch me out with a trap and the only reason we are here is because he failed in comprehending what a time stamped photo is. If he had come through with that I would of lost the bet fair and square.. but I didn't he lost....

After days of drama and scam accusations, there it is.   A fun show, but massive waste of everyones time.

I am confused.

You posted that you were going to bid on that auction if you didn't have so many:
http://archive.is/EeVNL#selection-9689.0-9698.1



TMAN, were you going to bid on your own auction? How many of your auctions have you actually bid on?

Doubtful. He probably meant if there was a similar Kialara going for that price, he would bid on it had he not already owned so many.

None AFAIK. Don't come with that tone over here before you go and scold CryptoImperator and Denarium.  :)

That is not what he said. He explicitly said he was going to bid if he did not have so many....

I've previously read that post and seen classic metonymy. See my updated part of my previous post:

Either you scold those who have done it or *possibly intended to do* or you scold nobody.

I am just trying to figure out the extent of TMAN's misdoings. I am under no obligations to investigate everyone.

If there were an auction going for a Casascius coin, and it was generating a decent amount of interest, I can’t imagine Blazed or OgNasty suggesting it was overpriced because they both hold Casascius coins. It’s in their financial interest for these coins to fetch high prices.

As far as I know OgNasty doesn’t hold my work, as he already sold his collection (at a premium most likely) I’m not sure about Blazed but I would guess he doesn’t either based on his comment.

Premiums on my work don’t necessarily benefit me directly. The premium over the selling price benefits the owners selling, so any attempts to devalue my work only hurts the hundreds of owners of my work - many of whom are very influential people in the tech space... Richard Branson, Bill Tai, the WOZ, etc.

The fact that many hundreds of people own my work, yet they rarely become available on the secondary market tells me the going prices seem to be legitimate.

Og’s comment to sell b/c the prices are not within the realm of sanity should be seen as an attack on every member of the community who holds a Kialara. He is basically calling everyone insane.

All I did was agree with Blazed. We're allowed to have opinions.

I'm sorry you felt it was an attack. I really am. I apologize. I see now I should have chosen my words more carefully. Lots of people love your work. You or anyone shouldn't feel threatened by my opinions. I didn't say anything negative about the product. I only agreed with others that the auction price had gotten frothy. Now that we have learned it was TMAN's coin being auctioned, at least I understand why things escalated to this.

If someone reselling one of my products is asking 10x my original retail price, please on behalf of the community, point it out. Perhaps do so with more tact than I did to avoid having to issue an apology. I will never be mad at someone for pointing out premiums over materials cost or original retail pricing on my products. I will view it as protecting the community.

Kialara, I am sorry you took my agreement on the auction pricing as an attack. I am sorry that I thought my agreement with another poster would be any added benefit to the thread. Don't single me out as the bad guy though. I agreed with 2 of the 3 public opinions on the pricing in that thread.

After reading everything I think OGNASTY and Blazed should really apologize to the Kialara community. Og  nasty fan coins and Blazed diy coin cannot even remember the name is no where near a Kialara. I just recently got into cryptos and reviewing the past sales, I feel that because Blazed and OG hold a large collection of Casascius coins they are bitter that the demand is going down for Casascius coins and some other coins that they have not cornered the market with  is slowly rising in value. Og should return the money. Be the bigger man OG I will respect you more if you do. BTW I am interested in a Kialara silver and a redeemed casascius 25 btc coin.

You can't compare a piece of art to a silver round with a neglectable amount of BTC loaded on it. You don't hear people complain about the premium over the costs price of a Picasso (although Picasso's are in a way different league).  I don't mind that you don't like Kialaras or that you think they are overpriced. You are entitled to your own opinion and that's fine. Like Max said, coming into an auction thread and saying "sell 'em if you got 'em while people still think these prices are in the realm of sanity" is a dickmove and disrespectful.
 

It is not unusual to have discourse regarding the going rate for items being traded on a regular basis. I would think it would be unusual to not have discussions regarding the "market" rates of various coins in the collectibles section.

Many of your claimed owners of your work likely do not visit these forums very often, and as such are unlikely to be aware of the going market rates in the secondary market for your work. Additionally, these claimed owners have sufficient wealth so that even a few thousand dollars of increased value of collectable coins would not cause them to even consider (re)selling your work because the impact on their financing would be so small.

I would have to agree with others in saying that the price in question for your work does appear to be overvalued. The basis for this is my review of various auction threads of coins manufactured by Kialara and of coins manufactured by other coin manufacturers. I am sorry if this statement offends you, however it is the (brutal) truth.

+1

I agree. I hope the community can strive to be more respectful of other's preferences. I would like to see manufacturers of physical cryptos produce better quality products, increase innovation, and expand awareness of cryptocurrencies in general. Right now Kialara is doing all of these; that's why I believe there is such interest.

I simply said they feel over priced to me. I have been in the physical crypto game for years and stated my opinion. I think Kialara are nice pieces of work and have owned several of them over the years. My coins have been sold out for quite a while with no new ones being made for 1+ years so I am not sure how relevant they are in this. I am not going to apologize for calling it how I see it...stop being so sensitive. If I had trashed his works or something then sure I would apologize, but my statement was hardly anything rude against "the Kialara community". I have called Casascius items over priced over the years...welcome to buying and selling things with intrinsic values. Why not post that from your real account anyways?   

In other words: "It's overvalued because I don't have any.". This is the bullshit that you hear from any non-Kialara owner. This reminds me of altcoins which actually deserve their valuation being "overvalued" to individuals who failed to realize this and invest into them on time. Disclosure: I only own a single Kialara as far as the public is informed.

Correct and correct. Some individuals need to compensate somehow. :)

The only intrinsic value to Cas. is the metal itself, thus premiums on some of them are also an absurdity (if you want to argue that Kialara's are overvalued, then look inside your own backyard first).

I have called Casascius coins over priced. Kialara bars are nice and I think Max did a great job on them, but that doesn't mean the secondary market can't get over priced on them... Many collectibles have times where the prices go wild.

Then the next question would be, was that comment necessary? Should I go into every Casascius sale/auction and mention that they have overpriced and quote you as well? Even though I may or may not think that they are, I still avoid doing that (and have done it at least *once*).

I made 1 reply about it... ::)

Cant remember if I have called you a cunt or not recently.. if not - Cunt, even if I have - double cunt... Go deepthroat OG,  ohh... QS - OG.. is this a coincidence?

pair of losers go touch each other in the mens bathroom of a petrol station

Is you comment asking if it was necessary, necessary?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions,


you are all beating a dead horse, is this going to drag on forever?

Dude, all this stems from 3-4 years ago. Shares turning to seats, OG's alt nano being the big boss. Seats being produced just to cover debts that OG rang up from bad business decisions.. OG sucked dick to get where he is today, he didn't get there by being a good business man. He was advised numerous times to not go all in on BFL.. that was the downfall of nasty fans. He produced 50% more shares to cover the debts from his bad decisions..

Hmm.. This is a story I'm hearing for the first time. Who is your source or what kind of proof is there? Considering these accusations are pretty wild you should back it up with proper proof so that the community can decide.

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I was around during the BFL shenanigans though, crazy times and I do sometimes feel bad for those who did in fact go all in on it.

Blazed, you stated “[I think] that they are already way over priced…”, suggesting you care more about trying to help than about establishing dominance. I respect your opinion.

comtruise1, TheNewAnon135246, Pistachio, Lauda, and TMAN: Thank you  :)

Glad you understand I was not knocking your products at all. I have always been a fan and yes I do own some Kialras.

You got me all wrong. I was not trying to insinuate that you've done this multiple times (intentionally or not).

This is a prime example of an uneducated statement, which also happens to be a logical fallacy. Your opinion(s) are worthless; don't even try claiming their equality with mine (or someone else's for that matter).

Ah, that's quite fair then. I must have misread it myself. There's a very subtle, albeit major, difference between "I think that they.." and "They are..".

Ah, that's quite fair then. I must have misread it myself. There's a very subtle, albeit major, difference between "I think that they.." and "They are..".
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OgNasty, this was clearly an attack. I had to ask you to delete your last comment from 2015 attacking me, remember? Please keep any opinions of me or my work to yourself. I work hard and don't deserve to be treated this way.

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I wonder what happened to the whole thing about being friendly to each other and stuff.
Or does that only apply to us, not the people always preaching about it?

To say it in someones words...