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TL;DR: More than likely resuming shipping week of May 13th

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html#post30481

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6 May 2013 ASIC Update


It's been a few weeks since the last update and a lot has happened since then.


As many of you know, we started shipping out a quantity of Jalapeno's (around 35 or so), about half of those went to developers and the media, the other half went to customers. They have been well received so far and everyone is happy with what they have received. In the meantime, we have been diligently working on the Little Singles, Singles and Minirigs.


This past weekend, we received in the new boards for the Little Single, Single and Minirig, pictured below. As you can see, the board redesign incorporates a total of 16 possible chips, as well as some power distribution changes. One of the more prominent changes is the fact that we have moved from barrel jack power to PCIe style Minifit Jr 6 pin connectors. Each board has two 6 pin connectors to provide power, and each board is intended to provide up to 60 GH/s hashing power.


We discovered some issues that we needed to resolve with the boards and had to change a few minor things. We tested them out on a hand modified board and they worked, so we've issued the redesign to the PCB house. The new boards are being finished today, the 6th of May, and should be ready this evening. We have more chips from the packager on the way to the assembly facility, and they should arrive on Thursday, the 9th of May. In the meantime, we will be testing and making sure the new board is functioning like we intend for when the chips arrive to the assembly facility. We don't have a count on the number of chips that will be arriving on Thursday as of yet.


The current board will support the hashrates ordered for Little Single and Single in one box, so single units will be shipped out for both the Little Single and the Single. The Minirig will most likely ship as two units (where as it was just one before) and possibly some Singles to bring it up to the full hashrate ordered. 5 GH/s miner production will continue concurrently with the rest of our product line. We are incorporating some changes into the new 5 GH/s miner to bring the heat and power usage down, and that will be incorporated as we go forward. Power usage on the new boards hasn't been tested yet as we are waiting for the revised board, so I don't have power figures for it yet.


Below is a picture of the new board for the Little Single, Single and Minirig, as well as a Single running.


https://i.imgur.com/e5PJ2Av.jpg  https://i.imgur.com/LuSVwpc.jpg

Right on! Only one or two more weeks then!   :D

Wow, they simplified the PCB a lot. There are half the number of discrete components per ASIC than the previous board!

so
many
fans

this thermal design is bad, it means unfortunately most cases will come off, shame with such a cool design!

maybe theres some way to wall off the middle and make each half cool with the horizontal fans only but it looks like the shell will come off for most customers...

lets just pray to god these start without the fans connected, not like some hardware that reads the frequency of the fan and stops if none is found, I think their design is with thermistor though.

Where is 400 unit every day  ???.

multiply by 6 for shipping date estimates, divide by 10 for shipping quantity, so far it's been fairly consistent  ;D

little single board looks great.

if in 2 weeks time they do shipped? otherwise is just talk and talk.. and excuses..

I thought people were happy with the 5GH/s product, how come that's not flowing out the door?

Hmmmm ... where have we heard that before?

http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/k9l5-1u-fc49.jpg

There are NO chips more ...

i dont know where the 5000 Chips are gone but BFL doesnt have any more ...

so now i can hope they get more than 1000 ( 1 wafer ) thursday -.-

THIS ^

If they had a great design why not mass produce it and get something out? Oh wait...that would be too honest of BFL to do given how they continually break promises.

Any the mystery of the 5000 missing chips is not even explained at all...

other than "oh we dont have the chips anymore..blah blah blah"

Did they ever really have those chips? If they did are they syphoning them off to an undisclosed location to mine secretly adding a small amount of hash to the network over time?

Wouldn't surprise me if BFL resorted to this to get enough capital to fulfill all preorders lol.....scummy fucks  ;D

And they need now double pieces of chip`s for one Unit -.-

The board they used for them were the one that was intended for the 60GH/s singles, they can probably remove a lot of components and scale down the productions costs since they only need to handle 2 chips and 25-30w power draw (see original single vs jally PCB pics they posted last year).

Since they seemingly didn't have that many of the single boards pre-produced it then becomes a question of ordering more of the old ones or wait a while longer for redesigned boards.

So instead of 8 chips, the single will use 16 chips, it is a nice move that leaves a lot of room for chips. I remember that they said the test for running at 500Mhz is problematic but chips can run stable at 300Mhz, e.g. 4.8GH per chip

Didn't they say that they are going to ship next week last week?

Why are the pictures always 'spy shots'?

"The current board will support the hashrates ordered for Little Single and Single in one box, so single units will be shipped out for both the Little Single and the Single."

Forgive me if this has been mentioned before, but does this confirm that the 30GH/s single will be housed in a double wide case instead of the Jalapeno sized case?

Yes.

35 Jalapenos (2 chips each) out of 5000 chips = 1.4% wafer yield. I guess their 100% wafer yield estimate was off just a little.

Maybe someone spilled Mountain Dew on the rest of the wafer?

tldr: Delayed again. But you already knew that, right?

Yeah happy birthday

Why are you guys always focusing on the negative stuff... just look at that thing; it looks like a small reactor, like it's going to melt through the table! It's just awesome! :)

How to spot BFL customers:

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article217087.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/fiona-adams-burnt-house-pic-pa-23116688.jpg

I am a BFL customer, This just made me laugh.
But you should find a job.

I see what you did there.... no mailman right?

Another useful BFL thread ruined by trolls.
Are there no mods?

I am use to a forum with over 10,000 active members, where mods would have deleted half the posts in this thread in seconds as off topic or abusive.

I have most of them ignored, what gets me is the retards who quote them.

How are they handling the power supply issue for the 60gh units? I dont think a power brick is gonna work for 300w but they announce anything yet?

Looks great and the larger board as was said, is simplified a bit.  It said power was two 6-pin connectors so whether that's meant for an ATX PSU only or adapts to a power brick or something should be made clear soon enough.

Nice to see the singles coming along well.  I'd estimate then that they'd do power testing and stability over this coming weekend and hopefully the assemble and ship-out the week after, ideally.  But then again with how the roadmap they've been on has been, it's just good to see progress.  But then again I'm very patient so yeah.

I'm sure they'll use a power brick, with a mini-fit jr adapter. Something like this, but bigger: http://www.mini-box.com/12v-16A-AC-DC-Power-Adapter

Maybe someone spilled maple syrup on it thinking it was a waffle ready to eat. lol

Which means it will exasterbate the chips shortages.

If the 5000 chips went bust then it means that BFL is approaching somewhere around 25%~30% failure rate for their 100 wafer batch.

Is 100 wafer's what BFL ordered?  How many chips do they get per wafer?

i've seen estimates up to 10-20k BFL single orders but I think nobody knows how much hashing power they will add to the network or if they will be wafer limited or not

HOW BFL CAME TO THEIR ORIGINAL ASIC SPECS...

LOL  --- $7x K  is not a FAT salary .   be more like $250 K

Same, if you check the forum stats here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats  you will see that the worst trolls of BFL threads are also the turbo posters right across these forums.

Erk is right. Just look at him ^

The Answer by the missing Chips....

You know, people wouldn't bother trolling BFL if they made some actual progress and delivered. You shouldn't blame people for "trolling" at this point.

So if BKKcoins actually builds a functional Klondike, a 16 chip board that could clock to 300 Mhz per chip on a 10 cm x10 cm square at 32W as a DIY project in a few months what the hell has BFL been doing these past 10 months?



And costing roughly https://github.com/bkkcoins/klondike/blob/master/docs/Parts%20List.pdf  (https://github.com/bkkcoins/klondike/blob/master/docs/Parts%20List.pdf) what only $26.48 per manufactured board with runs of 25+ board minimum and $8 for an Avalon chip and then and in heatsinks with fans, the psu and time and sweat you could put have the following.

16 Avalon Chips............................  $128.00
1 Board......................................... $ 23.68
Corsair CX-600 PSU.......................... $70.00
1 Extruded Al Heat sink and fan.........  $16.00
Blood Sweat Tears.........................  $100.00
USB cable........................................ $2.00
32+ Watts.
4.8 GH/s
No extra shipping charges
Easily scales to 72 GH/s

For 340 USD?

Hmmm.

I see a tough road ahead for any BFL products if the Avalons DIY'ers get this working. This might prove the end of BFL considering this will be open source.

Has anyone received the chips to make a board yet? 99% of miners are not going DIY.

This will be mass produced (if it works) and replicated locally across the world... BFL will not get a second run at this. It could be game over for them and given their delivery delays I can't see anyone going with them ever again when these cheaper and better built alternatives come out in a few months.

I am waiting on my 540 chips... and my plan when they are up and mining is to reproduce the boards locally here in Indonesia for the Indonesian market only. I won't be the only person doing this trust me things have changed and BFL will have to either change or face the fact they will be pushed completely out of the market and given the way they do business it might be the best thing for miners and the cryptocoin community generally.

Recheck your math on the Klondike,

Understood, but the Avalon chips are vaporware atm, possibly months off. Have they published the schematic and open source board design yet? It was meant to be May

What is missing?

No more vapourware to those on the back end of the BFL order train right? Especially given what we are seeing from the open source designers. There is more than just an idea here it is moving forward and this will happen. And to be brutally honest who you would put more faith in at this point? Avalon releasing the specs and DIY'ers making these boards work or BFL?

Board cost. After  components  put on board I could have sworn would be closer to 100. Just going off memory.

Nope. https://github.com/bkkcoins/klondike/tree/master/docs

Klondike 16 – ASIC Miner Board

TOTAL PER BOARD       1 board  $38.99
                              25 boards $26.48
                            100 boards $20.67

Or have I read it wrong?

Saw the 100 figure somewhere near the end of the Klondike thread i think.


Edit nm. That was the 64 chip board.

You are trying to deflect what was a pretty straightforward question. As far as I am concerned the Avalon chip DIY based project are not  an option until the designs and chips are shipping from Avalon, and then starts the actual building of products like the Klondike and assessment of market penetration. At that point you can start making claims as to BFL's relative success in the marketplace, before that it's wild speculation.

Not trying to deflect.

I put it clearly IF IT WORKS... what part of that don't you get it is a risk right I get that... but at this point considering the BFL track record and those working on the DIY and Avalon providing specs what do you think is more likely to be succeed longer term? That is a valid question and not strictly "Vapourware" considering people have waited 10 months for BFL to deliver right? For me it is more about gauging who I think will actually deliver what they promise. If and it is a risk as I have said... if the DIY make it work BFL will be hard pressed to recoup any market share. I think many are ready for that to happen because of the ineptitude of BFL. That isn't wild speculation. It is based on the hash power projected, the price point and the lack of delivery by BFL. I suspect that BFL "investors" at the end of the line are going to be CLIPPED by these DIY projects given the effort being put in. What is wildly hard to predict is what BFL will actually be able to ship in the next few months considering the lies and delays that have already happened.

Put it this way... what has BFL actually shipped? In what quantity to what specifications? That is where the history of BFL hinges. Is there currently things that could topple them... yes. Is it likely they will get to market in time to really mess BFL up? Yes. It might be speculation but it is hardly WILD. It is measured.

Is it just me, or is anyone else laughing that Josh Zerlan refers to himself as "The Josh" ?

He's gone straight from Douche to Ultra-Mega-Douche, bypassing Douche-Bag, Super-Douche, and Giant-Douche altogether !

This...+1

I dont ever troll AVALON...because they haven't taken 10+ months and had millions of $. Oh and they actually finished their first batch at least.

BFL ....nothing but PR/MEDIA units sent out totaling < 40.

Pathetic.

I have much more confidence and trust in AVALON than BFL. AVALON has a good track record for the most part as opposed to BFL.

Wouldnt surprise me if AVALONs chips arrived and were assembled and shipped before BFL got their units to their 10+ month waiting customers.

 :P

He has one more level to achieve: Pussy Pansy Running Away when things go south  :D

He reminds me of PirateAt40 and how he made so many bold claims then could not deliver on a single one and then went silent like a pansy boy.

Avalon chips will be a couple months off (they even announced they would be), but they're not vaporware. Avalon has shipped roughly 72000 chips. BFL has shipped roughly 70.

Won't scale to 72GH/s for 340 USD... more like 10.000 USD, which is in line with what Avalon is charging.

BFL might be trying to get economies of scale as they (possibly) realized they shot themselves in the foot with pricing. Then again, their ASIC is on a smaller process so each unit might be cheaper than the Avalon ones (so many variables...).

LOL when you really look at the truth, it must hurt being BFL

or they ordered tons off avalon chips and sale them with their stuff  ;)

LOL that would totally be in line with a scam.

The Avalon 66GH/s has been measured at 620watts by at least one owner, and uses 240 chips that run at 275MH/s not 300MH/s even at 300MH/s we would be talking over 40watts per 16chip Klondike board. Personally I would wait until the chips have arrived, been fitted to a board and measured running before making efficiency and cost claims. You might suddenly find the 16 chip board needs more cooling or who know what other issues.

I'm not sure what you're saying. Even if BKKcoins needs to add 10 or 20 or 30 USD in the BOM, say for cooling, then end price for a 240 chips machine will be around (lazy math coming) 15*400 USD = 6000 USD, without shipping and PSU. That's bang on with the 75BTC (8475 USD) that Avalon is asking, at the current BTC/USD value (around 113 as of this post), assuming Avalon wants to make a profit, 30%-40% seems like a reasonable markup (6000*1.30= 7800 USD, 6000*1.40 = 8400 USD).

BFL OTOH is so much cheaper it's scary. Maybe they figured they could release their ASICs at those prices and totally underestimated the demand. Now they realize you actually need a whole infrastructure behind their production, probably need to hire more ppl and have generally increasing costs (not to mention their engineering blunders). Ramping up fast is messy. and costly.

I think BKKcoins is in the right numbers, ballpark with Avalon. BFL is so much cheaper it is actually worrying.

+1

I think this Project is and was for BFL too much ...

Orderded tons of "minirigs" boxes without any protoyp
ordered much boards without Chips ...
ordered Chips without knowing how it works and lost 5000 Chips ( 5 Wafer )


and now they get results to hot ... = new boards ... = new Boxes ... = new Design ... = new Price ...= New Boxes again .... =

and next ? they learn they must paid Bills over one Year without sold any product ... NOW all sales are final it was to be dangerous to pay more refunds with the compete dealys and old hope ... they learned they need first a protoyp to calculate some one ...

for over 1 Year  i know it BFL never hold the first date .. because the make some mistakes with the FPGA .... but i get a little bit hope they learned about her old mistakes

first product FPGA = 10 Month Delay
second one = ASIC = now a delay from ?7 mpnth ? ( ict - May ) ??

That's what I keep telling people since months ...


http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/k9l5-1p-072b.jpg

BFL = bunch of overcocky cowboys.

And to add to that Joshy-boy can't even pay up his 1000 BTC bet with Runeks or at least prove he paid it.

And the 1000 charity donation BFL needs to make...


They keep dragging their feet on anything of SUBSTANCE.

Yet they shoot off their mouths on a whim. LOL so fucking ironic.

ALL TALK

BFL= Bloody Fecking Late / Bunch of Fecking Learners / Biggest Fool's Lottery etc etc

What really kills me is that they still have devotees who think that they will ship in two weeks! It's shocking how gullible some people are. You BFL investors should have pulled your money out months ago and collapsed the house of cards like we did with bASIC. The bitcoins that I received as a refund from Tom made me more money than your mythical ASICs ever will.

 This is indeed the very scary part for all of us preorder customers. With ASIC Miner starting to ship consumer units, and Avalon firing up the next batch, BFL needs to get their shit in order very soon, or they risk collapse from bad PR and complete loss of faith and confidence.

 We're facing the possible reality that all our money will be lost not because BFL was a ponzi scheme, but because they were just that incompetent at pulling this ASIC project off, and ran out of money before they were able to resolve their problems and regain confidence from the community.

He claimed he paid both. Of course, he didn't say which transaction it was in...

 AFAIK, the 1000 BTC charity bet is still outstanding, and no proof hase been offered that the personal 1000 BTC bet was honored.

Really? Can you show us where he she paid both? Why not show us the transactions? Maybe he has something to hide? YES RETARD INABA THAT IS YOU WE ARE TALKING!

Does anybody know why they have only 70 pcs? If they've made the ASICs they should have thousands.

Avalon was expecting to make a profit when they planned to sell round 2 for $1500.

They were expecting competition at that point. When the competition failed to materialize, they jacked the price up as high as they believed they could get people to swallow. Everything above $1500 is monopoly rent for Avalon.

BKK's price comes close to Avalon's because the majority of their cost is Avalon's chips, which are probably making Avalon even more monopoly profit than their finished products.

I have no problem with Avalon making the money that they're making. They deserve it for beating the competition to market by such a huge margin of time. But don't think their prices are anywhere even close to their costs.

This^^

You can't assume that the retail price people are paying for Avalon's chips reflect Avalon's cost. Probably half what they're selling them for is profit.

Hence, Avalon's cost per unit is going to be less, overall, than the DIYers who are paying a markup on the chips, and then a markup on the boards to those who have spent the time to create them.

Avalon is pocketing the markup on the chips, as well as the rest of the hardware components on what they sell, so they'd be turning a handsome profit even just selling at what DIY would cost.

I'm fully capitalist, so I have no problem with them making as much profit as the market will bear, but comparing DIY cost as a basis for determining Avalon's cost is short-sighted at best. Avalon is selling for so much more because they CAN. They have a product in hand that nobody else can really compete with at this point. Why would they sell it any cheaper? If/When BFL gets their asses in gear and starts shipping a product, Avalon will have to bring their prices down to whatever the market forces are driving.

[Full disclosure, I have an order with BFL, and I have a chip order in with Avalon]. Personally, I hope BOTH companies start shipping product again ASAP, as I'd like to be mining with both. ;)

And if they really wanted to maximize their profits, they would artificially delay shipment of round two and three, while collecting more BTC780 10k chip bundle orders.

That way, they keep people from getting scared away from ordering the chip bundles by a skyrocketing network difficulty.

Not that I necessarily believe that's what they are doing. But that would certainly increase their profits...

Lets hope they use some of those funds for Gen 2. As well as a node shrink or two.

I don't mind Avalons strategy too much. They have encouraged people to take their designs and create new markets in distant regions. Eventually we (the customer) won't have to depend directly on Avalon to get our ASIC products. We will eventually depend on their affiliates taking the chips and creating their own designs and platforms.

Right now the Avalons from the Avalon team are becoming more like reference designs. They are doing the opposite of what BFL is doing. BFL is proprietary and secret. No one will ever buy their chips or make a design of their own. There won't ever be any real competition from BFL or a market that isn't just BFL itself.

What Avalon is effectively doing is encouraging startups and entrepreneurs who can and eventually will create their own designs and improve upon it. You will have alot more options a little later on. You won't always have to depend on the Avalon Team to ship out your products. They will only mass manufacture the chips and send them to the other companies who will then integrate them into their own products and create more variety and complexity.

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For example,

It is a multi-million dollar profit market for the first guy who designs an FPGA + ASIC miner who can not only do BitCoins but also various ALT coins. The Avalon Team can continue to improve their BitCoin ASICs while other who are willing to go further can integrate designs that include ALT Coin mining.

YAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was a crime on so many levels..... of how the world works and business practices in general that these guys where still operating

It is time for these fraudsters/conmen to disappear from the crypto community

The clock has started countdown 90 days to the death to BFL !!!

I thought 2000 USD. Anyway, they might be planning for a real ramp up, exit garage sales and get into "real" factory mode. They surely impose a monopoly rent as you point out, but I'd rather they stay healthy and deliver their ASICs than not. My capitalist view (as a business, I want support after the sale too...)


For a minute I read "BFL's" instead of "BKK's".  pfiuuuu :)

BFL

Big

Fucking

Lies

/Thread!

LOL! Great work there!

I don't think you know what 'vaporware' means.

ASIC NRE is very expensive, and the entire undertaking is very risky.  Lots of sunk cost and assumed risk worth repaying.  

10$ for a custom made IC for SHA256 is not bad at all - You can pay hundreds for mass produced commercial ICs.

"HEADQUARTER"    :D :D :D

lol

If you bought GPUs a year ago instead of this scam stuff, and mined BTC, LTC and all the other alt coins out there you probably would have made more than a frikkin Miningrig will get you from when it is delivered until the end of time.

If you bought the right Lottery ticket last week you dont have to care about BTC any more... 

Dude, you should have played the Google Lottery!

If you never receive a product that was promised... I get to change the definition.

If I am hoping that someone will produce a DIY board as promised and hasn't asked for a DIME... I get to change the definition.

What is "VAPOURWARE" to me? It is something promised that isn't delivered but has been paid for.

I have not BOUGHT a product. I bought chips. They who have a PRE ORDER with BFL and no shipping date... what is vapourware to you?

The real test will be who actually gets something working first. If those who bought chips don't get boards it isn't vapourware it is a chip buy. If you don't your BFL before I get my boards and chips married and hashing I will be back here to post just that.

That is difference in my mind. I haven't LOST anything by buying chips unlike putting down money for something that is still a prototype 10+ months after it was ordered?

 :P

The people that lose their money if that happens is their own fault. I've said it myself over a dozen times to get refunds from BFL months and months ago. If the pre-order customer didn't request it and they lost their money they were so warned.

I got avalon chips too but its a little too early to be gloating about it. Lot of things can happen before they ship.

and ?

Today comes any Chip`s ? IF the answer yes how many ...
But i think no more than 5000 / 16 = amount of Singels ...


Any news about it ?

Oh man... you are such a WIZARD and obviously WAY smarter than about 99% of the people... IN THE WORLD. 

now that I am done with the sarcasm, I'd say "No shit Sherlock".  I am someone with a Sept 1st order.. and I'll still be keeping my order.  Anyone who ordered that early took a gamble.  If people are so stupid that they need someone like YOU to tell them that then this community is full of idiots.  Unless a company has stock in hand, and is known to be shipping the product with no issues, and you ORDER from said company, you are taking a gamble.  People who ordered batch 1 of Avalon, were taking just as big of a gamble.  You choose your horse, then you ride it out.  Avalon won.. and those people picked the right horse, but people shouldn't be such pompous jerks to say "BFL is a scam.. get a refund!".  You don't have to say anything a DOZEN times.. that's 11 too many.  Just say what you want once, then let it play out.  The second that BFL's shops close down, don't return money, and all the people responsible move to South America... you can say "I told you so."  You have to be a supertroll to say "I told you so" to something that hasn't happened yet.

What happens if BFL ships (In greater quantity) and people receive their devices and gain any kind of profit?  I assume people like you will just create some other reason why they were still right... right?  If we are taking bets on the future, I'd bet you won't say a word about being wrong if it ends up that BFL actually becomes some sort of success. 

..but then again.. keep talking people out of their preorders.  Hopefully that means I'll skip ahead of line by a little bit.  If they don't ship.. oh well.  It would suck, but people shouldn't be gambling with money they can't afford to lose.

 Easy there Mister Twelve-Posts Newbie... I guess that makes me the biggest idiot in this thread for having two June 25th 2012 pre-orders for Single SC 60 GHs units and still having hope that I'll eventually see something arrive on my door-step.

Sir, a supertroll would not say what you imagine...

A SUPER Troll would say, invest MOar and Deeper into BFL. Sell yours kids stuff, their college funds, your own college tuition, your dogs vet money, your mortgage payment (hell, take out a second mortgage!), etc....then stuff it into BFL.

A SUPER Troll knows/thinks that BFL will fail to ship and will take all their customers with them. Thereby knocking them right out of the market and trapping them (the customer) in a financial limbo.

That is what a true super troll would do and say. Good thing no one here is a SUPER Troll. Please invest wisely and very carefully. Wait for news on their new packaged chips due to arrive today. *Jinx*

going by your name you might be happy to ignore everyone!!  :P

Maybe I should tone down my TROLLINESS? Damn you basically described me lol

For the love of god...
Does every single BFL thread have to degenerate into a troll mud slinging free for all?

I have an early July order with BFL, and look in to see if there is any new news here, and by and large I have to wade through pages and pages of utter nonsense to find 1 or 2 meaningful messages. It is ridiculous.

And yes, it may say newbie by my name, but I have been lurking here for years... I remember when Inaba was a 'respected member of the community' and how everyone was so happy that he was going to represent us and visit BFL to verify that their FPGA product wasn't a scam...

And, quite frankly, anyone considering a BFL ASIC pre-order should have known or researched the BFL FPGA debacle. Heck, i was pretty convinced that their FPGA thing was scam back then. When I made the ASIC order, I was confident it would be late, use more power (or have some other metric missing spec), but eventually be shipped. It's a calculated risk, and it has been fairly accurate.

Yes, they have made statements that weren't accurate, yes their ASIC product missed their power estimate, yes, they still are not shipping in quantity, yes, Josh seems to be missing the customer service gene, yes they are a ridiculously horrible company.....  We know. We get it, you do NOT need to pollute every last BFL thread with Josh clown pictures.

They've had my money for 10 months, I'm not exactly excited about it, but trolling on about in the forums won't make my ASIC get here any faster.

/rant

I beg to differ. Anyone who doesn't know those things you listed about about BFL NEED TO KNOW. So as long as BFL has not finished shipping all queued up orders I will keep repeating myself so that those who are thinking about investing with BFL will THINK TWICE before sending a fucking dime to those scum bags.

 :D :D :D

Sorry, bud, you're wrong.


For every single person tired of seeing a BFL rant, maybe 5 others become informed of BFL's reputation by way of these constant shitstorms.


This is the purpose of a forum and a collective response resulting in the formation of the entity in question's reputation.


Just because you are bored reading this stuff doesn't make it any less important.  Rather than wishing to control content in these threads why not pick up a hobby or something that interests you?  Because your premise is entirely self centered.

Where are the chips they yesterday arrived ? Any news or delay again ?

may they will only ship during their 1 year anniversary.. is only a couple of more months anyway ;D

sure but i want celebrate any date from BFL if they hold one....

For you it's already too late.

But maybe we can save some innocent souls from pressing the "pre order now" button.

No sir.. you are misreading my post.  You even quoted it.  I have a Sept order, and I am keeping my order.  The point of the statement was to say, that people who preordered took a gamble... or a risk.  It is still a calculated risk, just like any other gamble, but it IS a risk.  People don't need to see 1 person saying something a dozen times.   That doesn't help anyone.  In fact, when 1 person says something 12 times, it dilutes the effectiveness and makes them look like a whiney troll.  If 12 people say it one time, it seems more legit and carries weight.  People considering a preorder need to see it, but they SHOULD be doing their homework when making such a purchase.  If they do even 30 minutes of looking up BFL in this forum they will easily find the info they are looking for even without certain people repeating themselves over and over and over.  More specifically the people who act like a pompous jerk about it. Hell, one of the titles in the forum is "BFL fucks us over again." Anyone who does not do their due diligence before spending this type of money on a preorder is either an idiot, or that damn rich that they don't care about the money.

As far as me.. I still certainly have hope.  People call me and others like me an idiot, but I did my homework.  I knew when I put in my order that BFL would NEVER ship on time (October).  I certainly didn't foresee them taking a whole year but what can you do?  In fact, I feel there is a VERY good possibility we will still see our orders on our doorsteps.  Now I'd say I'm 50/50 on whether or not that will be in the next month or two.  But like I said... that is the gamble.  Put all your chips in one company and not the other is always a risk.  If I would have had the cash, I would have invested in BFL and Avalon batch#1. 

And no.. people with twelve posts aren't newbies.  They just post less.  Been reading this forum daily since I got into bitcoining which was about this time last year.

This is true for my case, i traded a friend some nvidias for radeon 6900s Nov of last year.

I can just about to afford their 25 ghash unit.

I agree with this 100%

Sorry, bud, you're wrong, but right at the same time somehow.

Your stats are not real stats.  For every person tired of seeing BFL rants, 5 other are now informed.. now that may be true.  but you continued to say "by way of these shitstorms" which falsifies the whole thing.  When someone rants about BFL, the newbies thinking about a preorder and doing their due diligence will see it, and will become informed.  Everyone is allowed to rant.  Hell I see no reason not to rant from time to time.  Look who is their Director of communications.  But seeing it from the same 10 people in 20 different threads (made up stats) is doing one of two things:

1.  This means a person researching this possible purchase will be bombarded with 200 rants from 10 people.  It looses its effectiveness.  Silly childish rants with silly photoshops from the same people over and over is not doing anyone any good. 

2.  It also means that the people who are "shitstorming" their BFL hate feel like they HAVE to pound it in someone's head in order for them to get the picture?  Pretty much means that they think these people not intelligent enough, and makes this forum look like shit.  This is absolutely not what you want which brings me to your next point.


That is certainly 1 of the purposes of a forum and if it is to defend having an occasional rant about BFL then you are 100% right, but what is not happening is a collective response.  It is the same small handful of people over and over spouting off their absolute HATRED for BFL and passing it off as trying to be informative.  People should be spouting off their hatred of Josh first and foremost.  He is the one who has come on here and basically abused people.  The statement from smoothie right next to your post is a prime example.


Absolutely not the kind of statement that do any good to new people.  If this guy would have said "Until BFL fulfills all orders up to this point, I will keep letting people know what has happened in the last 10 months and how they should think twice before gambling their money away."  THAT would have sounded like a reasonable comment.  But even if he has reasonable comments, out of the 16 posts in the past 6 pages by him , he has "warned" people 14 times.  14 times.  It doesn't matter HOW reasonable your statements are, if someone has to read it 14 times it is no longer reasonable.  That is not anywhere CLOSE to "helping people out" and more on the lines of basically being EXACTLY like Josh.  Just constantly poking a stick into people and spouting off hate. 

People who do this are the self centered ones.  Even worse that they claim they are just helping the people.  Say your piece and move one. 

 I need to respectfully disagree. I would take it a step further and argue there are not enough variations of photos of Josh with a clown-nose.

 The man did it entirely to himself.

+1 I am awaiting version two of Josh with clown-nose.

When I see a person on any forum, thread crap on multiple threads with the same saw, I instantly classify them as someone with an axe to grind. In any BFL thread there are 4 or 5 posters who are guaranteed to show up and spout off about BFL. Such behavior only makes rational people discount your opinion.

Interesting that you choose to call me names and tell me to get a hobby, rather than address this issue, which is the god awful signal-to-noise ratio in any BFL thread.

Lots of people don't like scams and scammers.  For my part, I think it hurts the ecosystem and my stake in it.

I also think it is a lot of fun to see the various comic material that people generate.  I come back to these threads for that more than anything, then sometimes cannot resist making some comment or another.

I think anyone who just registers a forum account profile less than 30 days ago and starts defending BFL in any manner is QUESTIONABLE as a possible BFL shill or sockpuppet.

Oh and rational to you is not the same as it would be to me. But that is why we are different.

Name:   poobah
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Date Registered:   April 27, 2013, 11:14:14 PM

Do they have shill tags for threads?

 Well, I'm no pro, but this is all I got. Josh overseeing a new delivery of fans from China, to be used in the new Minirig redesigns.

https://i.imgur.com/DunnTkb.png

haha this is funny. Boxes of fans on the water!

Might be time to start a mailing campaign... ship one large red clown to BFL in protest for breaking their promises.

That is why he has been call a clown ;)

Why?  It would be a totally waste of time and money.  You cannot shame a scammer.  Just the opposite in fact.  They take pride in a job well done, and BFL has done an amazing job.  Victims are seen as nothing more than idiots to be milked.  The only thing which gets their attention is threats to their operation(s), and you saw how Josh flipped out when BitcoinNV mentioned BFL to the DA during the pirateat40 goings-on.

I'm in it for the laughs and lulz at this point.  The graphics about BFL and general comic relief on these threads is very enjoyable.  I must say that this latest graphic with the ship is a bit of a fail though.

BTW, I happened across a priceless youtube vid of Josh explaining the delays tonight.  It's a couple of weeks old at this time, but I didn't see it on any of these threads.  But then I am only a part-time follower of them.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eF6FSdur8k

+2 I almost feel like a troll for piling on to this but its so true. He did it to himself. 100%. We couldn't make this kind of sh#t up! This is classic.

After almost a full year later now I declare this horse officially deceased. This has become animal cruelty now guys...

Someone made a joke out of ruining a motherboard.

New update.....

Chips arrieved.... But only few hundred.....
They change the bumbing facality again....
New goal few weeks delay... What a surprise

I've been outta pocket due to tryin' to pass this damn kidney stone, so forgive me if the following has already been asked: Do you sit at the same desk as Jody, or do you have your own office at BFL?

Gee...ya think?
LMAO!

I quit reading at the bold text realizing that you felt it's too ridiculous to read BFL's official forum for an update, opting to come here and bitch that you had to read mega pages to find out the latest, wading through troll posts.

I'm surprised, though shouldn't be, I guess, to see so many newbies defending BFL. Is there a convention in the works I'm not aware of?

Classic omfg lol

"Lotta power issues with these chip, but you know what?  We're just going to put it together and get it out there to you guys."

"Ya, doing this process, getting this all set up, you know, four per day, five per day, and ah expect to be hitting into the 50's you know in the next couple weeks, ah. ..."

I know this thing is a joke, but it has actually turned out to be amazingly accurate.  BFL should hire this guy to give their company some credibility and to give their 'customers' a decent understanding of what to expect.

  edit: quick fix.

 Yeah well, I will openly admit my imaging skills suck. At least I tried to create some OC ! Relevant Yoda quote, and so on and so forth...

It just was not clear what the ship was composed of.  And many people may not even notice the background due to how the human brain processes info.

The 'updated lineup' graphic with the 500cm high Jalapeno, and shifted/duplicated other offerings was a work of true genius.  Really hard to compete with that one.  I still laugh about that just thinking of it.

Here ;)

http://s13.postimg.org/75k6j55xz/Dunn_Tkb.png

JOSH FUCK YOU

There are no other COmpany here there are soo many DELAYS than BFL

All what we hear is
Next week
week of
perhaps end of month

Before CHINESE NEW YEAR !!!


I hope any body find you and pissed in your Coffee in the morning !!

I am curious to know what other items on this list were completed and when... anyone?

Why do you look here for news rather than on BFL's forums or the BFL twitter?  Any news is posted there first.

bitcointalk.org would also be my first stop for credible information about BFL.  Compared to the to other outlets you enumerated at least.  So it's hard to hold it against ~poobah for dropping by :)

We're just trying to lend a brother a hand here Poob.  Some have been at it for almost a year now and have probably saved many thankful souls who've been happily and profitably hashing away rather than sitting around with their thumbs up their asses waiting for vaporware as the rest of the economy moves forward.

It's going to be a whole new world if/when those 500,000 110nm Avalons chips hit.  Not to mention whatever 130nm chips Bitfountain might scatter among the masses.  And who knows what other chips have been in the pipeline?  You can either sit around pouting, or cut your losses and join the winners who will be playing fast and hard in the real world.  Your choice.

Yes. despite the SNR, this is the place for a complete analysis of the situation. There have been many informative posts where people have used facts and math (as opposed to photoshop), to debunk or analyze BFL claims. It's much like residents of the US going to foreign news outlets for the complete story.

Also, these forums were around long before BFL's were. (let us not forget I've been lurking here since before BFL existed).
I still have a CM1 and few GPUs chugging away (tho I only run the GPUs on cold days now)

Because with BFL you never know where the news will be.
It may be in the 'BFL ASIC Status' thread, but it may equally well be in some new blog or just in a random old or new thread.

Despite the noise it's still far easier and more convenient to get the info from bitcointalk than to navigate the BFL labyrinth in search of information.

Or on the shoutbox. Or on Twitter. Or tied to a drunk pigeons foot written in code.

Riddle:

Why did Sonny fire Josh?
Because he told the truth--ONCE!

You can always count on their forum sticky posts for the latest up-to-date info:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1084-if-i-order-now-when-will-i-get-my-order.html

Why quote what was posted in February by Josh and then try to pass it off as more recent?  ???

Because sarcasm is difficult to understand on the internet.

If you can find more recent sticky posts that contain news, please post them.

What do you mean it's not recent? Why is it on their official forums, and it is a stickied post so that it shows up at the top of the page? Is BFL so overworked that they cannot keep their own stickied posts current? Oh, wait, Josh has plenty of time to troll dozens of threads every day on bitcointalk.org, so clearly not having time isn't an issue. It can only mean that they intent deceive as many people as possible to think that is accurate.

BFL needed 3 things to develop ASICs:

1. Time

2. Money

3. Skills

Money can buy 1 and 3 but only to a certain extent.

BFL is running out of time.

BFL is running out of money.

BFL never had any skills but suckering people to buy into their bullshit.

Here is a quote from Jan 14, 2013 and what I had to say about BFL then:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139375.msg1453616#msg1453616


And I was right, no prototype = no testing = no realistic ability to ship in their estimated time frame. lol

Bitcoin price at that time was ~$15 now currently at ~$115.

$100 increase per coin.

More bad news with every update... oh o.

seems legit haha

Did you get beat up a lot when you were young or something? You gotta relax dude. Loosen the tie, unbuckle the belt, have a drink. Its frigid around here.

That youtube video, the fake one that I thought was real when I first started to watch it, what was that guy really doing? Was just just burning a chip with a heat lamp? That of course was just an IC chip or something I think already soldered on the board. Was he just burning it to make a video for people to believe?

I'm pretty sure its a pisstake and nothing to do with BFL. Either that or josh is a master troll.

Probably one of the funniest BFL troll videos ever.