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I'm shocked.  Aren't you shocked?  Totally shocked.

For those of you who don't understand.
Butterfly labs is located at that location.
The giant red bar signifies that they're pulling some
serious hashrate via their ASCIs. They're driving difficulty up
while profiting and while creating the demand for their machines.

And to think they've spent little/none of their own money doing so.

Not only that, some people sent in their FPGAs because they were so close/ready to ship, they "felt comfortable" accepting the trade-ins.

What's the source of that map/graph?

https://blockchain.info/nodes-globe (https://blockchain.info/nodes-globe)
http://www.butterflylabs.com/contact/ (http://www.butterflylabs.com/contact/)

Holy ***!

Testers gonna test?

Then they should use the god damn testnet, thats why its there. God damnit BFL, I hate you even more now you scum! This shit pisses me off....
I really hope one of their asics burns down their building.

Having a hard time determining how those spikes correlate to hashing power.  Now, mind you, I'll be one of the first in line to say something underhanded is going on with BFL (and also one of the first to eat my words should they start sending UPS tracking numbers by the 1000s anytime soon).  But, it looks like those are simply showing connected nodes and "uptime".

http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-68-115-80-0-1/pft

If you look at the list and not the pretty picture (it is cool!), you'll see a node on Charter that has more uptime than all the others.

Going through the blockchain blocks list, it looks like the pools are still getting all the blocks.  Now, BFL is probably on those pools with YOUR machines, but I'm not sure that would be represented by a chart like this.  After all, mining on a pool, is like using a proxy.  You don't see who's hashing inside the pool necessarily.  Correct me if I'm wrong here...

That website is sexy

Isn't that reaching and assuming just a teeny tiny bit?

They do need to get 1000 BTC...

It's not like there's a top bitcoin pool in Kansas City or anything... oh wait...

Dhenson: consummate idiot.

Feel like defending your intelligence now?

Unusually, I have to come to Josh's defense on this one.

Just the slight oversight of Josh's datacenter and hashing hosting operation to consider.



umm, dur.

Sigh. Was all set to jump in with a witty retort but it looks like its 2 points Inaba.

In order to have that much hashing power, BFL would have to actually PRODUCE something.  Did you forget that one important detail?

That fancy world map is just a graph of the 1149 nodes that the blockchain.info client is connected to, and then it charts the number of incoming transactions that get relayed by that node first. It's not a map of hashrate or even blocks found, it's a map of the largest bitcoind nodes that they happen to be monitoring.

This came up months ago, and it was proven to be nothing but the fact that EMC is physically located right in that same area. Herpy-durp!

Is that your official (and as always eloquent) denial that BFL is not hashing on customer equipment?

And that's exactly why I would never do business with BFL.

Feel like defending your professionalism?  Feel like defending your word on shipping by Christmas time last year?  Feel like defending your honor.  You should be ashamed of yourself.

You must view yourself as the country bumpkin version of the Soup Nazi.... except there's no soup.

I'm sorry, but the coincidence is just too great to ignore.  Of all the 30,000+ cities in the United States, the largest concentration of U.S. hashing is situated in your backyard and yet we are to believe that you aren't involved?  Really?

You didn't even bother to deny it, you simply jumped straight to the personal attack.  This is a well known tactic used by companies all over the world to discourage dissent in online forums.  You sir do, it well.

It simply isn't possible for Josh to spout off like this and keep his job if he didn't have the consent of his boss(es).  Why would the company support this flagrant behavior if not to discourage dissent whilst continuing to ram the proverbial hashing rod deep within our collective rectum?

Oh i know a good one check this out if you think thats bad check out the google charts. and search everything under the date when bitcoin surged.  here is the link.  google domestic trends click on the one year tab and notice how everything spikes and falls at the same time bitcoin did.  or is it just me.  Or economics i dont know but you check it out for yourself.


https://www.google.com/finance?q=GOOGLEINDEX_US%3AADVERT&ei=k7-RUYDtL4j8qgGBwgE



I dont think its a bad thing for BFL to have a spike thats how it is in every business.  Perks, everyone uses them when they can i dont think they are taking advantage i do think there is some legal regulation in this.  why try to snuff out the manufacturer supplying you the money maker?

Did you miss the earlier posts where people pointed out the map from blockchain is of bitcoind nodes, not hash rate? If you click "most stable", you'll see the Kansas City one and the one in Europe are the two most stable in the world that blockchain knows of. So of course they have a large number of connections and relayed nodes...

Gosh.... the newbies filter should be alot more strict .

This is what we get letting them noobs, going wild .... posting garbage shit everywhere.

And those with higher post counts really have some quality content to their contributions, eh?

Well said!

So funny

Hmm the map looks nice and promising.

Holy crap, the amount of fail in this post is borderline epic. 

Why would I try to convince anyone that I'm not involved with that node? (It's actually a set of nodes)  Are you serious?

Do. You. Deny. It?

Do I deny what?

Shouldn't you be building ASIC's instead of getting worked up from a few internet trolls?  ???

shut up and pay the charity bet!

I guess that bfl has massive cash flow problems.
Strongly recommend a refund

They're waiting on a shipment of chips, guy. Or can't you read?

since Oktober O.o  and friday they get 100

100/16 = 6 singels and 2 Jalas or
50 Jalas

 :D Game.

Do you deny being a tard that hasn't paid 1000 BTC to charity?

thats it.

that website is niiiiiiiiiiiiiice

Yes I am indeed totally shocked that:

1. It does not run on Safari.
2. There is no F***** zoom.
3. someone would choose such SHITE colours for sea & land masses
4. There is no roll over hash values on the quills.
5. Josh would waste his time replying.

I love it because you can see all over the world where bitcoins are popping up, even in countries you would not expect.

Goodstuff.

That makes perfect sense.

0. You need money to build ASICs. Where to get it? ???
1. Collect money from miner :D
2. Build ASICs on miners' money  ;)
3. Run ASICs and feed miners with promises to deliver ;D
4. Deliver ASICs to miners when you took all the cream :-*

No laws were violated. I would do the same. Seriously, I applaud you guys and admire your skills. And really hope that you get rich from this and teach all the rest a lesson.

OK this totally stinks (btw best globe chart EVER)

Runs fine on safari for me, using latest version... after enabling the developer menu and using it to enable webgl.

Definitely could offer more detail, and a better zoom functionality to get city-based results (assuming based on IP address of the node)

This topic is dumb.

You should be looking at the miners graph, not the nodes graph.

https://blockchain.info/nodes-globe?series=topBlockRelay


Or do you really think BFL would run a bunch of nodes for fun?

I admit I miss-read the graph and overreacted.  Apologies all around.

I'm newish to the community and didn't know this had already been discussed. 

However,  Josh, you're still a dick.

That's classic!!!  And you are SO right.

Not only is he a dick, but he's a liar and a cheat, and he'll be in prison in the next 18 months.  Should we wager?

Remember those magical wafers that just vaporized? was it 5 wafers?

lol yes  ;D ;D ;D

 -1 & +1 ..nice save :D

They said that the first few months lol.

11 months later...still waiting lol

dhenson   -1 (for misreading graph) + 1 (for calling josh a dick) = 0  ;)

josh -1 for every missed order going back 12 months  = -62,000

No you cannot.....
Can you See Hong Kong?

A very good point. Well said!

Ah, but I'm only a dick to people who are dicks first, that's the key point you seem to be missing.  If you weren't a cock waffle to start with, you wouldn't get a dick response.

It's what most people like you don't seem to understand.  If you approach people with respect and courtesy, you get the same in return.  If you approach people with vitriol and raving irrationality, you are likely to get a less than favorable response.  You wonder why I treat you like poorly, yet your first post is accusatory and irrational.  Imagine that.

WHERES MY STUFF DICK HEAD?!

^
Candidate for involuntary order cancel/refund.  ;D ;D ;D

Wow.... Just wow. This is how you conduct your business? Very professional. Boy, am I glad I didn't fall for your scam.  
You would fit right in at Amy's Bakery Company, might apply there after your next visit to jail.  

Have fun picking up the soap where you are going, mate.

Tbh I haven't even ordered anything. I was thinking about it around a year ago when I heard the buzz about asic but looking back I'm glad I didn't!

And YES, YOUR STILL A DICK HEAD!

Its just all endless lies and bullshit and I cant belive people are still just sitting back and waiting for their stuff instead of invading Bullshit Labs offices!

Oh well!

You know, s/device/person/ see what I mean?

Maybe Luke-Jr can explain it better than me with verses from the Bible... ::)

His first post was him mistakenly reading a chart and attempting to notify other users of something he thought he had found about a company that a large number of people do not trust right now (and possibly he doesn't trust either, which is why he jumped the gun on judging). An appropriate response from someone who works at such a high position with BFL should have been:

"There is a bitcoin pool located in Kansas City, near our headquarters. This chart also depicts node count, not hash rate. BFL does not conduct any public mining with any of its pre-ordered miners. This has always been the case, and remains so. Please correct your original post. Thank you."

I will re-quote you, so you understand where you went wrong here... at least, in my opinion.

Oh, yes, of course.  The title "Feel like defending BFL now?" is certainly courteous and rational.  Silly me.

Oh wait... not it was rhetoric of an idiot wanting to trumpet some imagined transgression by BFL and shouting it as loudly as he knew how and making it as dramatic as possible.

Let me fix your reality filter by showing you how to post a courteous thread with the same information, so you know where you went wrong in trying to show me where I went wrong:

Title: Any idea why there's a huge spike in Kansas City for bitcoin mining?
Content: Hey, does anyone know why there's a huge spike in the middle of Kansas where BFL is located for bitcoin mining?  

That's how you do rational, courteous threads.  You do not write "Feel like defending BFL now?" as the title and just post pictures as the content, like you are some retarded super sleuth who's uncovered a nefarious plot to overthrow the government that only exists in their mind.  That just makes you an idiot and an asshole, which is why he got the response he got.

So, you're a lying piece of shit. Trying to make it look like you have an order when you don't. Who's the dick head again?  ::)

The man in that outrageous headwear above you!

If you look real close, you can see it, just popping out from under the hat^^^

rofl

They have though! A few super jalapenos given to their friends. And they have enough chips coming to make a dozen more.

So he's the dick head, and you're the lying piece of shit. Got it.  ::)

I wasn't trying to show you that his post ended up rational and wasn't attempting to shout "BFL is screwing you!!"
It wasn't overly dramatic (not as bad as I have seen)... but it did have a purpose. And if the chart were read correctly, and it was a severe spike in hash rate from your particular facility... then, in hindsight, this topic would seem tame. But it obviously was misread.

There is no way to stop people from posting what they want. But there is a way to win 3rd party observers like myself by not acting like a child and saying "he acted irrationally,  so I can too!".  You obviously have lost the confidence/trust from the original poster, but you have 1000's of others reading your comments (or more)... and IMO, it seems like a good chunk of them do care how you carry yourself on forums and how you treat customers, even irrational ones.

+1 

Now we see where auto didactic schooling often leads to, a place called fail.
"For those of you who don't understand", priceless! ;D

You know, I posted in your own forums a request to make a statement about the many, many accusations against BFL. The petitions, the fact your CEO is a convicted mail fraudster, the general community consensus that BFL either has no idea what they are doing or simply doesn't care.

You still have not.

Instead you call your customers idiots and worse because they dare to question the mountain of evidence supporting these claims. This thread may have jumped the gun a little (however it is a bit suspect), but are the others just as meritless? I don't think so. It's bad enough now there are people here trying to get your companies ads erased from this site.

Your customers no longer trust you or BFL

You are such an astounding and graceful businessman you have your own "fan" page (http://www.joshzerlan.com), did you know that?

Does that bother you at all? Care to speak on this rationally or continue being unprofessional and hostile?

I don't think you have the balls to answer for this. Feel free to prove me and the community wrong.


I'll be requesting a refund, I will not support this charade. As a businessman myself I find every aspect of this appalling and unacceptable.

They're even forcing people into involuntary refunds for badmouthing them now!

Yes, he has said that he doesn't want the bad customers (the ones who complain).  He only wants the good ones that are willing to wait a year silently.  If anymore of you have anything bad to say about BFL, why not give him his wish and get a refund while you still can?  It's obvious they will not ship before the difficulty jumps due to Avalon and ASICMiner.  So what are you waiting for?  All Sally wants is what he has coming to him. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgrD-8b53AM

Holy shit mind f$#ked.
Thanks for the graphics to show it  ::)

Wow!  Just...wow!   :'(

I have no idea who Bryan Micon is but BFL definitely made a PR tour de force in the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlWrmIqGs3Y) ;D

so the people you scammed were dicks huh?

Autodidactic is one word; and it's not a form of schooling. 
I felt like the post merited an even a quasi-explanation for those new to the game.

Like you were courteous and rational when you scammed people with your mail scam? Offense intended, you're a known scammer forgive our community if our trust is testy.
And your orders being late only exacerbates the situation. Before someone goes on about how everyone deserves a second chance yadayada. I don't believe that shit. I believe everyone gets a chance to prove themselves; to prove they've changed, and frankly you're an asshole and I don't trust you. You're out for greed and gain, and you don't give a fuck about what your miners are really doing to Bitcoin.
Bitcoin the currency that erodes the power away from the corporate paradigm and gives it back to the free-market. But no, you've fucked it. So forgive us if we don't want to bend over and grab our ankles for scumbags.

***********EVERY BFL THREAD EVER***************

OP: BFL is bad
FP: Yeah
*ten posts that i don't see because of ignore feature*
Inaba: no u
*10 pages of Josh vs. the world*

I kind of feel like a dick for giving them any of my money... :-[ If only I had found that thread outing the CEO as a known and convicted scammer I wouldn't have.

I'm actually in the process of creating a new mining news site to compact this kind of information into something easy to see, a larger version of my Crypto Mining Vendor database in the Speculation area. With so many "BFL scam" threads it is difficult to pile through them all...

Unfortunately this problem is all over the place. Not a single other one aside Avalon or AsicMiner have delivered squat, and mostly either lie or are non-existent but are more than happy to take your money. Something must be done. The desire for ASIC has blinded so many to these frauds.

Ah you shouldn't....

But I applaud you for coming to your senses.  It seems that most people I talk to either say "oh, it was only XXX dollars, I can afford to lose that if BFL doesn't deliver" - which, BTW, are very irrational thoughts.  a dollar is a dollar is a dollar.   earned, inherited, or easy come.  treat them all like you worked your ass off for them and you'll never be taken advantage of.

It's pretty clear that BFL has been cavalier with their "investor" funds, and have mismanaged this product to the Nth degree.  I refunded in February when they failed to meet their deadlines.  I hoped they would eventually make it right for those who were still in the game.  But it's freaking the end of May..  and things are moving pretty fast on the block chain.  They had claims of delivering by Christmas time last year!!!!!!  4.8 Ghash for a Jalepeno was like 7 times the amount of power I had at the time to mine.... now 4.8ghashs (or whatever it was) would produce a hell of a lot more BTC back then than it will today.

I wonder what the tipping point is for a mass refund request from the folks on here who are keeping this project funded.  Josh has proven to be incredibly unprofessional and justifies his unprofessional behavior with "well, you started it..."  -  Imagine that you went to a restaurant, and they made you wait 3 days for the meal you ordered.. its not a perfect analogy.  And the entire restaurant is getting irate... then the owner comes out insulting restaurant patrons with terms like "cock waffle" - I'm baffled that more people aren't opting out of this investment....

I'll get off my soap box now...  

BFL has expertly managed to create and maintain a system where many involved are near perfectly balanced on the precipice that separates fear and greed. Many of their investors express dissatisfaction with the many deceptions BFL has presented, but then go on to say that they'll not cancel for fear of "missing out". The order queue system is brilliant for locking people into a bad situation. The lost bets gave people confidence that BFL would hit their specs this time, though that didn't happen either.

When things seem to be moving against BFL for too long they raise prices and investors see that as value being added to their already placed orders. When the delays seem to be unbearable BFL ships a few half baked Jr. mining devices to devs, press, apologists/shills, and a few early investors, but we've been told many times that when shipping begins they can quickly ramp up to 300 - 400 units per day...didn't happen. The whole thing seems to be carefully cultivated to keep the screws turned tightly on investors.

Anyone who does business with BFL is a moron.  They have yet to ship anything substantial, and this Josh guy is a rager and a PR nightmare.  Amy's Bakery anyone?

BFL is a liability.  Anyone who throws money at them deserves to lose it. People who want to be involved in bitcoin should be looking for lows in bitcoin price and just buy and hold bitcoins rather than investing in a product that may or may not arrive, from a company with a less than stellar reputation.  If you want ASICs, look at having one of the DIY guys build you something when the Avalon chips get in, or buy the ASICMiner gear.  There is no reason to be held hostage by BFL anymore, people.

With all this said is BFL mining with its customers ASICs?

That would require them to actually have them. So far all I've seen is photos of empty cases and prototype units they sent to the media to help hook some more suckers.

Shut UP SCAMMER..plain and simple ...u and your fucking hot air ...go fucken do what peopel have paid you millions to do and SHUT THE FUCK UP !!!

+1

It's because it isn't a single person/pool, it is the "other" category that centers itself on the country.  I read the whole thread and nobody seemed to pick up on this.  Basically, if the software that generates that graph can't locate the true position it lumps it all into a bar on the center of the country.  It is always the largest bar.

what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket?

 Good to know. I never did take that graphic as anything other than a conspiracy theory (read: No way BFL would be able to create a blip that large).

 Have never really paid attention to the map before, so the historical context is appreciated.

Seconded.  Imagine if Jamie Dimon acted like that..shareholders would've dumped him in an instant.  Maybe BFL should hire a PR rep...or twelve.

holy hell..  Jamie 'That's Why I am Richer than You' Dimon??  really?  The guy that acted like he had no knowledge how outta control his London Whale bets were?  The same guy who spawned Blythe the Derivatives Witch Masters who chomps down the silver paper market daily?

The guy is sociopath and that is WHY the shareholders love him on wallstreet..  if you are talking businesses on main street then you would be correct