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Looks pretty sweet!  Just waiting for the pre-order options...

Some pics:

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Im far less than impressed. Basically what I got from all of that was, eh well improve gaming a little, but here let us sell you as much other entertainment shit as possible with our cool new remote!

Yeah, I don't like the direction xbox is going. It was a game console, but now they're trying to make it an everything. I already have a computer

EDIT: Kinect is pretty cool, though.

I admit, Kinect is cool. I was really excited when they launched that. Especially in comparison to the PS3 wii-mote.
This would have been an ok launch had they said one of the following:

We are removing our LIVE fee
Our outdated LIVE fee now includes a cable subscription
We are merging all popular program interfaces into one easy to use panel, e.g. Netflix, Hulu, Xbox Movies

Instead we got CoD with a dog, more partnerships with possibly the shittiest game company to ever exist, and little to no improvements in the actual gaming platform. But you can use IE while you play CoD now!

Underwhelmed.  I'll wait and see what the PS4 is like.

I remember a Penny Arcade comic that would have been really funny here, but my search-fu has failed me. :(

Ill probably be buying an Ouya and waiting for the Steam console next.

They sure did not show any games, just focus on KINECT and ENTERTAINMENT. But I guess that's not so bad. I have been looking for a media center pc, I might actually buy this if it works like they promise.

E3 is only a few weeks away, that's where we'll see the games.

so why is it so great?

360x worse than before

Looks like they could figure out what design to go with, so they crammed two together. Awful, just awful.

Just don't get why they are bring this out, not much of an upgrade.

Wii-U / PlayStation 4
They have to stay competitive and if PS4 is getting upgrades then its time for Xbox to get some too. Even if it is a VCR looking remote...

This one? (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/6/21/secreting-digestive-ichor/)

I was less excited when Kinect came out, because Konami had already tried something similar with their game Police 911 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_911). It was cool and all, but required a level of physical fitness most gamers did not possess.

Wow, thought there would be more interest in this. Are you all PC gamers?

Not much of an upgrade? 16 x the RAM, Blu-ray, instant switching with pause and resume of games, no disc switching if you install the games, etc.  All seems very well thought out to me.

Granted much of the focus was on media (big NFL fan, so I liked that too), but the games will come.

Not cool when you find out that games are binded to your xbox, when you install the same game disc on another xbox 1, your first xbox1 game install get uninstalled, you have to pay for the game again to install on the new system if you want both xboxs to have it

So it's a PS3. Big deal.

This.

Im actually not much of a PC gamer, unless you count Minecraft. I was however a pretty big Xbox fanboy. I just could not find anything significant during the premier. Yay, more CoD and n-th sports games. Oh a "premium" Halo tv series... The switching thing is nice, but seems more like a parlor trick than something worthy of a console. Unless they have something else pretty big up their sleeve for E3, I think they just made the Wii-U a lot cooler.

I partially agree with most of the sentiment here. I think Xbox One will be great for casual gamers who are more focused on keeping entertainment in their livingroom / common area.

Me, on the other hand..when I sit down to play some games, I'm not interested in swapping back and forth to TV, movies, or whatnot (though a browser may be handy if I need to look something up while playing). I'm more concerned with the power of the hardware behind the scenes, and I'd like to see something that'll be able to render some fine looking games faster and crisper than ever before seen. So far, it just looks like Microsoft has been buying PS3s, putting that hardware into a new case, and branding it as an Xbox.

Let's see where E3 takes us I suppose.

EDIT: This may help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw  :D

The Xbox 360 has Bern an awesome console and and my pov the one is likely to geht the standard up for some time, as before.


Current gen consoles have gone toe to toe with PCs for some time before loosing the fight over ram and GPUs.
The console will be great, like the one before.

But from another point of view, this is a nightmare. A real one
Used games? Fuck you customer, if you lend your friend a game, he cant play it without your account. Or needs to buy it.
Oh and kinect is mandatory now. The company that brought us the great Skype spying scandal does now want us to have a device always on that always tracks you and even measures your heartbeat.

Oh, and of course you need to login all the time and brand your game to an account. So when your provided cuts off the net for some reason (thanks one and one for this ridiculous experience of no internet for four weeks because your customer service was relentlessly stupid and deleted my service requests and technician appointments every time my router had a five minute connection...), then it decided you cannot play.

Lately, I lost three hours of gaming in far cry three in coop with my girlfriend because it just stops the coop when you loose the connection. Microsoft wants this for everyone now!


What a fucking shame. The games will be awesome. The console up to date and nice. But a console that does not boot up without its microphone that always collects data? Sorry, but Herr a big fuck you to Microsoft is in order. We have only used our kinect on parties and otherwise disconnected it. What the fuck, the mike is always on. I don't want my console listening to me all day...

How do u know that xbox 360 and kinect not already collect data and sent it back to ms when its on. Xbox on(e) is just a blatant piece of spying equipment. Nothing to do with having hours of fun with cutting edge, innovative and serious gaming. Just remakes of same old.

Yes, supporting a dying medium (television) is is a good move, ms??

Because i tend to detach kinect when i am not using it ;)


New Xbox wont boot without it...

Will games be all digital eliminating the discs?

No, bluray. But you have to install them and bind them to your account.

Whats the point in that?

You can't sell the games anymore. Or lend them to a buddy. Because he cant play if the serial isn't bound to his account.

That would also eliminate rentals correct?

Yup.

Alright..I read through this bit and am quite surprised I'm the first to ask..but where's your source, or are you just making this up as you go? I'm pretty sure half these rumors were debunked ages ago..

Official Xbox reveal and the manager's twitter account?

Watched the Xbox reveal twice and all they did was blab on about TV and CoD.

Looked through the MS twitter accounts, but I can't seem to find anything, for example, that backs up "You can't sell the games anymore. Or lend them to a buddy. Because he cant play if the serial isn't bound to his account." Maybe a direct link would help?

http://kotaku.com/you-will-be-able-to-trade-xbox-one-games-online-micros-509140825

This one sums it up well, includes officials and James.

Nice, thanks.

So it's sort of the same thing that Steam/Valve has done for years. At first thought, it's kind of BS that they'd make you jump through these sort of hoops to play games with other people...but it may not be so bad so long as they keep with the Valve model (price cuts / fire-sales where games are $5-10 after a few months).

It just really sucks that I'd have to "pay a fee" (i.e. "buy the game") if I want to borrow a game from my friend. That's not something I agree with.

PS1 Is better....

Andy B

This is what I don't get.  An Xbox fanboy but suddenly you're doubting the next Xbox?

8 years of solid service, great games and great Xbox Live and now no confidence?

I see it this way: MS had an awful lot to cover in a relatively short period of time.  They wanted to cover all the bases and they did.  The biggest games show on earth starts in 17 days' time.  Why would they go OTT revealing all their biggest games now?  (They still managed to show an original IP, a new Forza and a full compliment of EA Sports games.)

I have faith.  Xbox has served me well.

If you have followed Microsoft's XBOX policy with prices, i have this problem: A good amount of money will be asked for. And prices won't change. Most of the prices on XBOX live when downloading full games are either 49,99 or 29,99 in Euros. You see firesales only in a smaller fashion, with addons, arcade games and so on. Very rarely prices for full games are reduced in fire sales. Games going down to the typical STEAM style "LETS JUST RAMP IT UP, TAKE THE BLOCKBUSTER for $4.99 before I get fired because the CEO sees this" has never happened before.

I am similarly annoyed by STEAM, but its prices are so alluring I often find myself clicking "Buy" before I stopped thinking.

PC rule!

Even though Xbox has been my preferred gaming system, I am no where near a hardcore gamer. I dont have the time to be. But my confidence is gone BECAUSE they are trying to cover all of the bases. Typically when something tries to be everything, it becomes nothing. I dont need an Xbox TV guide or auto switching. Sure its a nice trick, but something I have, and can continue to live without. Sure its nice to watch Netflix and Hulu on my Xbox, which I do. But there are also plenty of WiFi TVs that offer the same as well. Oh they have NFL though! Except I dont watch sports or play sports games... And the auto updating fantasy stats seem like yet another kinda cool, yet nearly pointless trick. Like when Zune enabled device to device sharing. I think I used that once to pass a nude pic around to like the whole two people that had a Zune. As for the games, I am generally unimpressed by what they did announce, but I do also realize E3 is right around the corner. I am not impressed at all with the hardware that runs the games.

If they do pick up a Steam style game platform and sell lots of games at really cheap prices AND drop the LIVE membership, Ill consider buying one. Other than that, I see no reason to waste money on more hardware that does exactly what my current hardware already does, even if it is a little snappier (providing that works as well as they claim).

I think the name is going to cause problems... those who don't keep up with gaming consoles (generally the parents) are going to hear that their kids want the new Xbox. They're going to see the "One" and the 360, and end up getting a 360.

I think this was a bad marketing move.

Lol.  I don't think that will happen.  No one keeps buying the '99 cars, do they?   ;)

Cars are different. It's obviously not 2099 so people can automatically relate it to 1999.

Consoles are less known. Kind of like PC's. I still get questions about how good a PC with a 40GB HDD is, "because it has a lot of memory and that's good, right?"

This is done by retailers: Move everything about 360 somewhere else. Put "New XBOX ONE" and have HEAPS of them around. Don'T worry, people stupid enough to do this will likely be led by retail store design.

lol, you highly underestimate people on the Internet. A lot of people do their shopping online these days, and you are undoubtedly going to find people buying them off eBay and Craigslist for high prices. Even when the PS3/360 were in-stock in local stores, people were offering 2x what they were worth on CL because they were seen as being "rare."

I guess you could look at it as being their fault though. I never buy anything without knowing exactly what it is, why I need it, and understanding how it benefits me.

Not sure. Here in Germany, the people who are a little "simpler in their technical thinking" buy their stuff somewhere in one of two megastores, Media Markt or Saturn. And both belong to the same corporation, the Metro Group.

They are still winning. Cant comment on the US situation, but Craigslist is something people wouldn'T trust around here and on Ebay, I dare you doing something like this in Germany... people are the worst customers when it comes to online sales...

And you have 14 days legal tenure to send it back.

14 days? That's nuts! Here most stores give a minimum of 30 days. Some give 60-90. And if a store won't take your return and you used a credit card, you can simply do a chargeback and get back your money.

No. 14 days in online sales.

Retail sales, if not broken, are final. If you do a chargeback, you will get a bill twice as high, since the retail store is going to ask their payment provider for info on fraud and send you a bill. Probably their lawyer will. If you do not react to that, you will be quickly listed in an online registry for people with credit problems and reduce your score which makes you big problems if you want a new bank account, credit card, phone contract or get a credit for a house.

Most bigger retailers take things back, but it is a hassle.

Wow, and I thought some of our policies were bad. People dislike our Target stores because they require receipts for exchanges. Wal-Mart will let you return pretty much anything even without a receipt, as long as you are willing to accept store credit instead of cash.

After Christmas we also get extensions to the return policy at most stores, where some give up to 6 months to return an item. The only stipulation is usually that if it is opened and isn't broken, there is a restocking fee (usually 10-15% of the purchase price).

Forget the look. The features are awesome. I do however feel they're taking the Video Game Console into a different direction than where I would go with it. I don't like the whole TV guide feature as I am not going to run and wear out my console anymore than I have to.

Thats where I disconnect, what features? IE? I avoid that like a plague and only ever open it to cross check browser compatibility on my sites. If I really need to Google something (yeah Bing lost in the Bing v. Google test) while Im watching TV, I have a laptop, PC, Droid, and probably even a tablet soon. Blu-Ray, got one of those in the computer too. I just dont see ANY added benefit to the console.

It's 100% voice and motion controlled. You can also skype with friends while watching movies, tv shows, etc. And leave comments about games, shows, movies and music for your friends to read as well. The only thing I like about the TV guide is that you don't have to flip through it, you can just say, "Community" and it will automatically put that show on for you. There are also a lot more features that they showed on their live event can be seen here (http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidewalt/2013/05/21/video-live-stream-microsoft-xbox-event/).

Blu-ray is dead to me(mine just sits most of the time). I stream all of my movies and have them all in HDX(tru 1080p streaming) all stored and can be watched throughout the household or anywhere there's an internet connection. Even though I have cable service, it doesn't make sense to me when you have HULU plus, and just about every network has an app that shows their shows, sometimes at the exact start time on tv. But, all of this can be accomplished with AppleTV or App driven device. I enjoy having a stand alone video game system, especially with kinect and xbox live. I don't like to ware devices down, so I separate my computers from gaming.

People must have noticed this, but I know with Steam their discounts are unfairly biased against indie developers, if there are indie developers out there now I'd much rather pay them directly in Bitcoin and without any DRM whatsoever. You see it all the time, they constantly discount the indie games and then put on tiny discounts for the mainstream games, the only time I see them make a move to discount the bigger games is if there is a Christmas special and even then if it's a really popular title they know will sell like with Skyrim they'll hardly touch it.

You don't ever actually own these games and you can't have them stored on your hard drive or USB stick forever, so you're basically paying full price in order to rent and people don't even bloody realise it. I don't know about the situation with consoles because I haven't bought a console since the PS2 but I'm just as suspicious of them.

I imagine most of that has just as much to do with the developer as it does Steam. In order to even think about selling a digital game they have to somehow ensure that users are not going to upload it everywhere they can and give it away for free, or else publishers probably would never give them rights. Same with prices. The mainstream games are going to have much higher, and more strict royalties. I wouldnt be surprised if they had to get permission from the name brand publishers before putting their games on sale at all.

I'm thinking they would work with the developers too. It wouldn't make sense to list my game for $19.99 and then have Steam forcefully change it to $2.99 for a sale, only giving a dollar or two per sale they make. If I listed it and they wanted to work with me to find a good sale price, then I would have no issues coming up with one.

I'm quite curious who will win this generation, I have to say I am a bit disappointed with the Xbox. I wasn't really a fan of the original Kinect so not too pleased to see it return. The true winner of this generation though will probably be AMD who is behing the GPU/CPU

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18oh09l9gc3p4gif/ku-medium.gif
Xbox One: Rumor is that it Might Play Games too

1. Get high-end computer
2. Get USB controller
3. Enjoy your PS5 and Xbox Tree-Fitty

lol, I love your little show there. The online requirement for offline games is something I hate the concept of, and I also don't like the idea of being forced to tie keys to your account so that the games can't be sold/traded. I used to live off preowned games, and I think it's going to do more destruction than good for them to require the keys.

Xbox One: Is that the Gaming Console reserved for the President and his staff?

No, it is reserved for calladoody 11 year olds.

I'm surprised no one has brought up the 24/7 Kinect. It's a big deal on most gaming forums and one of the reasons I won't be purchasing.

It's not 24/7 if you unplug it.

Huge fucking let-down. I was expecting something revolutionary. I guess I got what I deserved for high expectations.

Is it just me, or does the Xbox One look like the slim PS2's? Or the PS3?

The fuck was on Microsoft's mind?

Why does anyone care what it looks like? Personally I like just the plain box design so it stacks nicely in an entertainment system.

I wasn't really impressed as a gamer. All I heard when I watched the presentation was TV, TV, TV...

I think I can safely say I have complete contempt for games consoles these days, not surprised they released yet another games console in a desperate attempt to compete with desktops.

Game consoles sell way better than individual PCs do. And games for consoles sell way more than games for PCs. PC may be more powerful gaming machines, but consoles have the convenience factor.

The only reason consoles are seen as convenient is because certain morons in the games industry have decided to make it as annoying as possible to legitimately purchase a game, I know I must read like a cranky old man when I say this but in the old days it used to be a simple CD check and then you could happily play games offline without any pestering from spyware. Now you have to enter in as many details as if you were going into your bloody bank account, there is nothing difficult about using a PC if you take your time to learn it, I had no problems using it when I was 10.

There are games developers out there that still follow the old ways and I'm going to be among them when I finish programming my first games :D

And now, with the Xbox One, consoles begin their journey down that dark path....

...and I begin the journey back down my previously traveled PC-gaming path

Too bad they didn't put better hardware in it. (compared to the TFLOPS of PS4 or the demo from EPIC)

I heard Xbox One it can't be self-published by indies and it requires Internet to play games.

Xbox 1: 359 steps backwards from Xbox 360 :P

Both of those are rumors that have not been confirmed by microsoft. In fact Microsoft has already stated that the xbox one won't need to be always online.

It HAS to be online once every 24 hours.

Couldn't said it better. I wonder who came up with the name.

Yeah, it's like when Valve fanbois go around saying you only have to login once, I still have to login in order to play the game and use my internet connection, that doesn't make it any less unreasonable if I have to do it once, nevermind the fact that the offline modes are always shit. No one dictates to me when I can and can't use software on my computer, especially if I've paid for it.

If you ask me, the STEAM offline mode isn't as bad anymore. I found I could use the offline mode quite well :D

It still is DRM, but hey... fuck it. Technically, im always online with my Xbox anyway, but the fact that my kinect needs to watch me while we are watching a movie or have sex on my couch is kind of annoying.

lol, this was awesome. I wonder if they could record it too...

I've found the convenience a good trade-off for having to load up Steam before playing your games.  It only takes about 10 seconds to load up on my PC so I've never really been bothered by it.  I'm rarely offline tho so I have no idea if Steam offline is a pain in the ass, however, I have lost my connection while playing games from Steam, and the only time that pissed me off was when my Civ 5 game suddenly decided it had to quit to menu because I went offline, which I found odd, as I was playing single-player offline...but no clue what that was about.

But anyway, having all my games in one spot and being able to reformat and download them again easily is something I can deal with, not to mention the deals they're always having.

Oh, and indie games, which Microsoft pretends to care about but really doesn't.  Also, no ads, except for games, which are the ads I actually want to see, which, in the case of Microsoft, is why I want to beat my (brother's) 360 with a fucking bat.  And then there's the Microsoft online service for PC which is a fucking pain in the ass, especially when you have both that and the Steam overlay going at the same time which is stupid and why do I have to input a CD code for a digitally downloaded game off Steam directly into Microsoft's overlay?  They don't really still believe CD codes actually stop pirating, do they?  And then after hearing the news about KreepyKinect and ghost-discs + activation fees...

Anyway, my point is, fuck Microsoft :P

It's even easier to just back up your games on to an external drive. Then it's a matter of minutes after reformatting before you're good to go again.

A lot of people don't get the problems some of us have with online requirements, but if you're like me and live in the middle of nowhere, there are many times where I have no Internet. It goes out sporadically as well.

Dude, don't do that again! I just spent 30 minutes hunting an imagine that may, or may not have been what was on your mind after you got inspired by a post to do the exact same thing, but at least you had a keyword pool to resort to.

My nephew (the good one) told me about this new xBox coming out a couple weeks ago, stating that it'll be able to do anything. I asked him if it could mine bitcoins, whereupon he replied, "Dude, you have it bad!"

Ah HA! Found it! It was from back in the day when it was still called "Project Natal." So, please pretend this is actually how it went:

LOL, that's awesome! Now I need to break out my Kinect and see if when I play naked it will mistake my boner for being an arm or something...

Maybe it's not a mistake and Microsoft are secretly developing some adult gaming for later lolololool :D

A new form of "live cams?" Where you create your own character and then the things you do in RL affect what your character does...

Interesting idea for a sex game...

£600 for the console and £90 per game (search Xbox One and Call of Duty: Ghosts on amazon.co.uk)

Nty.

Quantum break looks really nice!

That is expensive, but i think it is just the preliminary pricing

I think i'll pass on this xbox.

I said this for most of this generation of consoles. I enjoy PC gaming much much more.

I don't like it and I don't like the way microsoft is developing it. It's not a dedicated gaming machine anymore. It's a entertainment system. It's going to cost a total of £600. That's a lot. They have made the kinect compulsory to use which will be on whenever the xbox is turned on. I hate that, there's a reason why I didn't get the kinect in the first place, it's a accessory which I thought was useless.

It's basically a computer, x86 architecture. So they are charging £600 for a GAMING console, which acts like a computer and does what a computer does. Yet, a computer will cost you a lot less and can be upgraded when needed to be.

Moving onto the next thing, games being £90 a pop and having a fee of pre-owned games , what a mess. Plus no backward compatibility, I know there is a reason for this but dam.

I hope PS4 can pull something from under their sleeve and shock us all, at this moment they are being very secretive.

Actually console prices have more to do with the cost of an iPhone. Its the serious limiting factor and partially why this console cycle was 7 years. It doesn't make sense since an iphone cannot play call of duty but apparently people seem to think of the retail cost of an iphone to be the level to pay for consumer hardware. This is also why we don't have certain features on the 1st generation of hardware like backwards compatability despite it being well known an "360 on a chip" has already been designed for that purpose. And bare in mind everyone apart from Nintendo will be losing money on each console sold. And will do for about 5 years.

 For the entire life of the nintendo (Nes) most titles were £90 in back then money. Of course the excuse then was cartridges. Prices of games will fall except those with mass appeal like Rockband and Call of Duty which will always be top rate. £90 is unsustainable especially when you can buy 91 tablet or phone games for that price. The cost of development has gone up. Partially due to asset production. Its not quite as bad as animation where you draw each asset by hand but its close. If anything the architecture has got simpler because everyone just uses the unreal engine. I can justify it being £90 but I cant see anyone paying it.


 Im surprised people haven't been making 1984 references because its exactly like the tv cameras in the book for more or less the same reasons. Copy protection. But also like removing the start button from Windows 8 it forces the consumer to use the interface and hence become used to the interface. Voice recognition has been around for decades but nobody uses it because it feels awkward. This addresses the larger problem of keyboardless input that everybody is wrestling with. Somehow we can't get a more efficient method of input than typing but we can't make keyboards mobile with any degree of comfort. Something like 90% of mobile phone transactions are left unfinished presumably because the user quit out of frustration of putting in all the necessary information on a smart phone keyboard. Forcing people to finally use voice control sidesteps the issue.

The bandwidth issue is basically a statement of the industry "We need you to have a decent internet connection for this to be financially viable for us to provide you content, if you can't afford uncapped bandwidth you probably can't afford our stuff." Thats fair enough. Its not nice but its a proven business model. And eventually the poorer consumers buy the £90 budget model from a supermarket in 2020 when the next next console is out.

PC gaming has become viable. Its basically all PC gaming through different hypervisors and as I said last week the microsoft controller becoming standard input for gaming has made it more financially viable to take a risk and publish on PC even though for every 1 copy sold 99 will be torrented which hurts console sales since you buy one nice PC and you can play some if not all eventually three consoles games. And not even that nice a PC anymore. My 3 year old studio laptop can play releases from last month.

Games are really expensive. Its not like animation which is also resource heavy but theres another dimension, interactivity, to design and control. Quality Assurance tests for the 360 are $100,000 a round. And thats the no-skill side of the industry. Like animation there already is asset outsourcing to dubious parts of the world like china. And THQ possibly the lowest common denominator IE most viable publisher just went under. Maybe the £40 a title consumers have begrudgingly paid actually too little? Especially considering the cost/hours of entertainment ratio.

Well I like it as well, the problem is I am missing out on adventure games like uncharted and heavy rain. I was happy that mass effect came to PC though.

Hopefully, developers will tell Microsoft where to go and revert to PC, unlikely but we can wish can't we?

Yup, hope dies last.

Def agree on PC gaming.  Consoles are just too restricting, especially when it comes to the Xbox.

I'm interested in seeing how the Steam Box will play out, and if it'll just be a glorified computer running Steam in Big Picture mode.  That'd be OK with me.

Agreed. I have been following Steam box and hoping it will shine now that Xbox has revealed this dreadful news.

Steambox seems like a machine that could bring many console gamers to the PC.

lol, sadly this is never going to happen. If it did, they'd move from DirectX and on to OpenGL for cross-platform games. Sadly Microsoft still has the monopoly and for the foreseeable future still will.

It's sad but I guess it's the truth.  :(

Oh, it definitely is. And it's the only reason I still use Windows over Ubuntu: gaming. There was one group that was trying to create a DX implementation for Linux but there have been no updates since 2011. Guessing it fell apart.

We NEED something better than WINE.

Yeah, that's the main thing why I use Windows too. I'm a hardcore PC gamer and Linux or OS X isn't really an option.

Forget WINE its a waste of time. Same goes for that xbox 1 spying apparatus. Why would you want to pay a lot of money so that someone can eavesdrop 24/7 in your living room or bedroom.

This just in:

Current-gen and next-gen consoles ARE PCs with most functionality stripped out by difficult-to-disable software. Tired of corporate proprietary shit trying to fuck me in the ass. These corporate fucks... Windows 8 RT. Release a phone with Windows on it, and you'd expect to at least have the primary reason anyone fucks with Windows - the enormous collection of software released for it. Nope. The RT stands for ReTarded, and it only runs ReTarded software. At that point, I'd rather have Palm OS.

Go away, one-time-use proprietary hardware architecture. I will never touch you, and will look at you only a decade in the future when you're emulated (no, not emulated with infuriating DRM restrictions on the "Xbox Two," asshole). I don't want your "smart" phones, your creepy spy consoles, or your goofy fruit logos. You utterly disregard past contributions, and promise to support current contributions' existence only until the end of your few-year lifecycle, or try to double-charge us for old contributions we bought way back when the dev company existed. I hate you, and we will never reconcile.  >:(

Xbone is already a failure.

Big swing and a miss by microsoft on this one.

Pretty much nailed it here. I just finished catching up on the Sony conference from yesterday and I'm already vastly more impressed by comparison.

It seems I'm moving back to the Sony camp if I end up getting a console this year.

Besides all the other stuff I can't believe PS4 is actually going to be 100 bucks cheaper. I really would not have predicted that.

An in-depth guide on sharing used games on the PS4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwYUGtI6guY)

I dunno, I'm siding with Sony on this one.

This is why I said we need a WINE alternative, :p.

As for the Kinect, I couldn't agree more. When I heard that it's built-in *and* that you have to be online to play your single-player games, that set me away from the Xbox One completely. I can't believe people would buy it after that.

Yep just like that, not some crazy personalised once only use. The always one feature maybe was on the wish list from the NSA and the had to include it. Sure there is enough kids who upsolute must have this "do all" machine and parents haven't got a clue what the carry into the house to please the little fellow (and big brother at the same time).
So is it still save to visit a mate who's got the modern Stasi apparatus standing in his Flat?

I like pc gaming too but local multiplayer is important to me and that's pretty much nonexistent in pc gaming.

Uhh...what?

In my mind I believe you're referring to something along the lines of "split screening" for multiplayer / coop ...otherwise, LAN party anyone?

People still have LAN parties? :p.

And I think he means like... on a console (split screen, as you said) you can have 4 people playing one copy of a game. On PC you need 4 copies.

He's right, game developers have been quietly eliminating LAN gaming for years now, Blizzard got rid of it in Starcraft 2 if I recall correctly and only put it in after a lot of demands from their customers, how these people get away with such shit and still make millions is beyond me.

Really? I didn't know that. That's surprising that they wouldn't add it. Probably some corporate activision prick had that idea.

I think that was the case, could be wrong though.

A lot of games still allow you to play via lan by inputting your LAN ip in the connection area (instead of a server ip), but you're definitely right about it being phased out. I just don't think it's as popular as it used to be. Everyone wants to play online.

WINE is ******* dreadful.

Better than nothing though.

Really don't know how much I agree with that. I've wasted so much time trying to get WINE to work with some things... I could have back a large portion of my life if it had never existed -- I'd have simply stayed with Windows from the get-go, :p.

I actually bought my Xbox 360 for the Kinect, so I could play the exercise games. Then I also got into the Rock Band games (Beatles Rock Band is totally awesome!).

The Kinect on the Xbox One sounds terrific, and if there are new exercise games that really take advantage of it, it may be worth the upgrade. But I only just bought the 360 about 6 months ago, so it's way too early to justify an upgrade for me.

However, I did manage to snag a preorder before they stopped offering it, on the chance that I change my mind by the time it's released, since Amazon won't charge me until it's shipped. Or maybe I'll sell it for a few bitcoins?  ;D

By the way, one of my friends posted this on facebook and I think it describes the Xbox One prefectly :D

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/9415_10201120780318784_677624522_n.jpg

I'm a loyal Xbox fan but I can say that if MS does not step up its game we lost this gen by a lot!

You can't play Halo with a rock though!

Yeah, but you can play with a rock without an internet connection :D

lol, true. I guess you can play Halo with it in real-life too. May get arrested though!

Probably the most accurate description EVER.

I actually bought the 360 for the Kinect, so I always play with a camera connected already...  ;D

The difference is the 360 doesn't imply that the camera is always active. You can tell by whether or not the red light is on. And it also doesn't require you to be online to play single-player games. This is where the privacy concerns come from.

It does require you to be online the first time you play a game though (and regularly thereafter).

Also, I remember seeing a clarification that the One will act the same way with single player games.

Most of the games I play on my PC these days also require me to be online - even for single player (via Steam, Origin, or whatever). Not sure what the difference is?

You're misunderstanding my post. I was saying the 360 doesn't have those problems. The One does. This is why I will refuse to purchase the One.

The PC, while some games require you to be online, do not require that you keep a web camera and microphone hooked up to your system at all times. There is a massive difference.

I see. Perhaps they will make changes if there are enough people that feel that way.

The main showstopper for me is just that it's not backwards compatible. I just bought all my 360 stuff within the last 6 months.

BC is a big issue too but if you already have a 360... I see it as being like PSX and PS2. I had both but usually used the PSX for PSX games, :p.

Yup that's it. No way i'm buying 4 copies of a game just to play with family members. Also most don't allow more than 1 controller at a time so you need a bunch of keyboards it's just a hassle.

Playing with family is usually considered casual gaming and consoles are very well suited for this case. However if you're into hardcore gaming,  a PC is a necesity.

Consoles are used for some hardcore gaming too. Started with the last gen (er, current gen? 360/PS4). So that's not always true now, although I do agree that I'd rather do hardcore gaming on a PC.

As an old school gamer I'd have to decline this system.  Several problems exist that make me pucker my asshole.  One being thepprice.  Second the lack of retro games support and this shit of no more pre owned games. I understand that if you purchase a used game the dev doesn't see any of that cash. But don't they make most of the money out of the title at launch? 

Another factor is the online aspect.  I'm one out of a small number of people who have no desire to play online or have my unit connected to the internet.  So I would not get the full use i f any use out of this system.  It's a bummer as I was just going to wait for the new system after my 360 shit the bed. I believe what I'll do now is get a ps3 and entertain myself with the exclusive titles i haven't played for that system.  People will be unloading them pretty cheap once this all hits the market

The One will undoubtedly be hacked at some point for backup games. If you only play offline, this is definitely an option; while I don't condone piracy, I see no problem with hacking the system and using pre-owned games on it.

If a buy a game i own it and it's my right to resell. If i buy a new car in the future is it going to be linked to my DNA and cant be resold? Personalised phone, TV.......where does it end?  Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of a cancer.
It just shows the sysyem is on its final leg.

The price is still pretty steep if you compare it to a PC. Consoles are made of the same architecture of PC x86. Which I consider old technology, consoles have always been a step behind for obvious reasons. They wanted to be dedicated gaming machines back in the days. They are now turning into multimedia crap.
In fact, the xbox looks just like a tablet, has the same function as a smart tv and a tablet, just with better processing speeds and better graphics etc.
So why in the world that much? What gets to me is the speculation price of games. JUST WOW. For a game I expect to pay so little, it's not as big as the console but it's like 1/4 of the price.

In comparison to the consoles, I believe sony will absolutely destroy xbox, maybe not in sales. But in quality of GAMING, because that's is what a console is for, in my opinion that is.
Microsoft are letting their self down, xbox as been leading for a few years with their consoles, but they insist that we want multimedia. But, why? What happened to customers always right? Well this is a potential customer speaking, reduce you're god dam prices and make me a dedicated gaming console please.

The only reason I used to like playing consoles, is you can have co-op on one thing and have you're family & friends around to play a game. You've got to think of the broadband that the kinect is going to be using. If you have a rather crap download and upload speeds then microsoft made a rather stupid and rude quote: "If you can't afford internet, then you can't afford the xbox one". Well, it was something along those lines. I could find it if any of you are interested.
How awful is that? Note to microsoft, I have been a previous customer with working internet and paying for you're online subscription, so why in the word would you say I can't afford it when I have the last few years? It's because of their stupid accessories which they are adding on to the console.
WE all know how much of a flop the kinect was, I have friends which purchased it and never used it more than 20 times, why? because it's not very responsive and just...not right.
Don't get me wrong the ps3 tried the same with playstation move which I also didn't buy or like the idea of.


I think I have mad emy point clear that I will not be paying for the next Gen consoles, because they are rather disappointing overall.
At least sony has the sense to allow pre owed games.But they both missed one factor, backward compatibility, yes it's a very hard procedure to do and is very time consuming. But, I know that part of the future jailbreaks will be emulators which will allow you to play games from ps2 etc.
Remember the big hit mega drive? huh, yeah. Well that got a emulator on ps2. Yes, it was buggy. But at least they tried (modders that is).

Capitalism is dying because Microsoft did something stupid and everyone decided to by a PS4 instead?

Not really. Capitalism has been failing since the start. Look how messed up the world is.


So, out of interest who is considering buying either one of these consoles? And who is converting to PC instead?

I may get a PS4, though likely not. Definitely won't get a One. I'm already a pretty hardcore PC gamer so no real converting, :p

I've been into PC for years now. But, I have always liked consoles for playing with family & friends around the house. You know have a few beers and play on the xbox/ps3 for a few hours. Or, sometimes we used to have flat out gaming sessions.

Yeah, but next-gen feels like it's killing that. My big selling point of the 360 was the Kinect. That thing is amazing. But the One is completely screwing everything up.

I never got a PS3 btw... not sure why, lol.

I never got a PS3 either, its always been 360. I will be playing most games on PC now, but will probably eventually get a PS4.

If I get a next-gen (I really don't think I will though) it will have to be a PS4. The only alternative for me is the Wii-U, which is too Wii-like for me. It's like a glorified Dreamcast.

I have had experience with Xbox 360, and the whole Playstation franchise. It's strange that I finally converted to Xbox, but that is not because I preferred it, it's because of the amount of my friends who were on it. To be quite honest, I think they are both the same. They both have their faults but no comparison to the Xbox One. The Ps3 has always ran faster and lasted longer for me. Hey, I still have my phat ps3, which I bought 3 days after release. Still running fast and smooth. I mainly like Ps3 because of it's OS, I Linux. Xbox has always had a bigger fan base, mainly due to the amount of people that use microsoft, as microsoft is the leading OS for regular computer users. People like to stick to what they got, people don't like change.

Personally, I didn't like the look of the Kinect, Now that I have heard that the microphone and cam will always be on, WHAT? That's a privacy concern isn't? I think microsoft is trusted, but I don't know...One thing I really used to like about the Xbox is the controllers, they are very tough and durable, unlike the ps3's.
I tend to squeeze quite hard whilst playing on the console (Don't know why, PC I don't squeeze mouse).
I have gone through around 3 extra Ps3 controllers, which weren't cheap at the time.

But, PC is the way to go. Hey, some people say "Once you go PC, you'll never go back".


If I had to choose, it would be the Ps4. I might yet get it, but may wait a while for the price to drop and to hear reviews.

"Once you go PC, you'll never go back" isn't always true though. On the 360, my favorite game by far was Lost Odyssey. That's an example of a quality game you just can't get on PC. And it sucks because I'd love to be able to play all the good next-gen games on PC, :(.

That's why I said 'some' ;). I have never actually played that game. I have heard reviews and they are normally good. I might just look for that on amazon or where ever I can find it.

Oh man, it's awesome. I got into RPG's back in the PSX days because I loved how they had hundreds of hours of actual content, rather than being a 30-45 minute game that you beat and throw down. I started with FF7.

Lost Odyssey is a pretty long game and it's got a lot of humor in it. Well worth playing!

Just ordered it. After watching a video on it, I think I'll enjoy the game. Looking forward to it's arrival. (Means I'm going have to have time off work...just kidding....but I'm going have to find the time for it somewhere).

Oh, man, and do I want to stomp on those assholes who've been releasing always-on DRM in games which end up pirated, anyway. Dumbest shit I think I've ever heard of in any industry - almost as bad as Sony BGM's clusterfuck, except it's turning into "industry practice" with games (as well as productivity software -- and yeah, all major software is cracked no matter how obnoxious the DRM is). Fuck that.

Here are some games I could think of off the top of my head with always-on DRM:
Diablo III (last always-on DRM game I'll ever pay for. Cracked [playable offline], allegedly private servers now, too)
Starcraft II (cracked, LAN & multiplayer through private servers)
SimCity (always-on DRM caused an absolutely horrible launch similar to Diablo III's, and yep - it's cracked, playable offline)
Command & Conquer 4 (cracked, playable offline)
Ubisoft's "bad Uplay experiment" (all cracked afaik -- Ubisoft publicly committed to ceasing use of always-on DRM in their games last year)


So... It prevents pirates from playing the game for a few days, and then they spend a few days downloading, and then.....? Well - yeah, the legitimate customers forever have to put up with servers going down for maintenance, not always having an Internet connection (hello - I exist! In instances where I buy before playing a game, I do frequently end up pirating the game I just bought to get rid of DRM hassles [or back in the day, because I lost the case with the CD key on it]), and sometimes even lag. Lag in a single-player game...  >:(

Even MMO devs have had their server software reverse-engineered, where free private servers are created and often run comparably to the server software made by the company which designed the freakin' game (when SOE converted most of their MMOs into pay-to-wins, free servers ended up offering a far-superior service). MMOs, though, have a much greater piracy-free shelf-life (up to a decade, compared to days with non-MMOs) due to just how much is required to be done. That's not to say private servers are made for pirates, though.

I'll never go back to consoles simply because it's too difficult to pirate their games reliably, and I don't trust corporate developers enough to release games without time-wasting and intrusive DRM schemes. I couldn't even use the Xbone, because I only have a usable Internet connection for maybe half the day (and even then, it's 2-60kb/s). Some of this gen's consoles were very close to being piracy-free, and many have to use old firmware to play pirated games. Incidentally, my first "significant" BTC purchase was a soft-modded Wii. So... Idunno... not even really any reason to be angry -- as a minority (at least in the US) unable to play always-on games, I'm ignored. The minute I "ignore" them to snag a modified copy of the software I can actually use, it's criminal. Go figure.

Xbox One is a flop and will crash and burn as soon as it comes out.

Sadly this isn't going to happen. People will always be Xbox fans and they are going to get the One regardless of what happens. Especially those who are interested in exclusive games.

Backyard rocks will always have more exclusive games than these machines ever will, and there is no easier platform on which to develop and design new releases. Furthermore, games designed with the rock are highly modifiable largely because open-source code is mandatory. Rocks are not effectively regulated or controlled by any entity or multi-gopoly on Earth.

The wild commercial success of so-called "video game platforms" is only one of many reasons the open-source community has always been doomed to obscurity. ... But we can at least fight.

Onward, Luddite arsons!

This post is amazing.

Hero post of this treat

That is until some rich person comes along and proprietizes them so you can only use certain shapes/sizes for their games, of which you can only obtain through them.

Side-note: apparently "proprietizes" isn't a word? Then what's the term for "making proprietary?"

By now most people should be planning to get gaming PCs. Its almost like microsoft want to lose their gaming console business.

PC's would be viable as an alternative if there weren't so many exclusives that are only available on the consoles. Unless this changes, gaming will continue being split between all four mediums (we're excluding handhelds here, as they are a separate breed).

What will more likely with consoles like the Xbox one is that they'll keep it going and keep releasing them as long as they can until finally admitting 10 years later it was a complete failure, or like with Star Wars Galaxies and SOE they'll stay in denial about it until the bitter end.

Sadly I don't think it's going to fail. While people complain about things they dislike, the vast majority won't follow through with boycotting. Just look at games like Sim City (the latest). Even with all the negativity floating around about it, they still had massive numbers of sales. Because people aren't willing to let "small" things keep them from enjoying what they've been waiting for.

Maybe. I think most people aren't the ones who'd go out to the battlefield for something not that important as in that doesn't threaten their existance.

Interesting analogy but it's the reason why companies can screw over their customers. Even if a subsection (say 15%) of all customers had an issue, it would not be enough to push companies to change their ways, and therefore that subsection would likely cave in. As long as customers aren't standing up for what they believe in (dislike), this DRM and such is going to get worse and worse.

Microsoft will lose a lot, but that doesn't stop their 'loyal' fans coming back to them. Most people like to get the new gen consoles for status, or because their friends have it and are saying how awesome they are.
For people with half a brain will see that this console doesn't do any more than a PC does. Yet, you have added on stuff which you don't need and have to pay for on line subscriptions. With the PC, all you have to do is pay electricity bills and internet bills, which you would have to do with the Xbox/Ps4 anyway.

You can pick up a few cheap PC's which will run most modern games, for the exception of Battle field as that does take a lot of power if you want to run it on maximum settings. You can buy a controller if you really want to and use that instead of mouse & keyboard.

If you wanted to play locally with friends, tell them screw a Xbox/Ps4 and get a decent computer which they can come over yours and connect to you're local internet. Cheap & effective.
Doesn't take long to set-up either.

If you are going to get a console, then I WOULD recommend a PS4. That's if you want a dedicated gaming console and not a multimedia console.
The PS4 is a bit cheaper and will have faster bandwidth.
That being said, Xbox does have it's benefits. Such as the multimedia options. But, if you have a computer you have them anyway.

I think handheld gaming is over. Gameboys were very popular with children and for a few years after the first PSP was released it was popular along with the DS, Lite, and DSi. Now there is the 3DS and PSP Vita which I don't think many people care about. Portable gaming has downgraded to mobile phone apps which are very below the PSP's level.

This is kind of hard to say. 3DS is still pretty popular (although it doesn't have too many games). The PSP is (although Vita isn't really that popular). The problem here is more along the lines of developers shifting their focus more towards consoles than handhelds. Handhelds will always have a market because they give something to do when you're out and about, traveling and such.

I personally agree. Handheld consoles are not so popular and some where a major flop. I owned a psp original & still own a 3000. I loved the original psp when it first came out. But, I can't say that I use it regular any more. I normally just use it when I'm going away and can't fit the laptop or generally can't connect to the internet.

But, Android and IOS apps have really launched. I don't know why. Personally I can't play one for more than 10 minutes. They bore the **** out of me. I only use apps which help me carry around a portable calculator or business databases. Other than that I only use it for calling and receiving messages.

I think consoles are going the same way as handheld consoles. Not because they are not entertaining, because don't get me wrong I love them. But, because of the price, paying on line and all that other stuff which makes it...not enjoyable for the average user.

Consoles will only be popular among hardcore gamers. People who own their own business and/or work 5-6 days a week just don't get enough time. I rarely play on the console any more and to think paying for a on-line subscription when I'm not going to be using it regular, just doesn't make sense to me when I have a few computers lying around.

Obviously, I'm a big fan of PC, I converted to PC a very long time ago, but not entirely. I still used the consoles regular and loved them. But, the next GEN doesn't appeal to me what so ever.

The fact that handheld is degrading isn't completely correct. It's going from semi-hardcore (or hardcore in some cases) to casual. The games on iPhones and Android phones are usually being played by adults who aren't into gaming. They are becoming time killers rather than an actual constantly practiced activity.

Games as a whole are also moving more towards the casual side. MMORPG's, for example, used to be hardcore. Now they are all (or almost all) catering to casual players as well, working to diminish any type of real competition that would otherwise be present.

ops wrote a novel not even on-topic ???

Online games have always been better suited to casual play because casual games are generally made with low-enough computational requirements that almost any device can play them, which is great for on-the-go devices where the market primarily is. The other reason casual games' (which would be called "simple" if not for marketing) low requirements have become so successful is because they can be played on cheap-o off-the-shelf PCs with onboard or entry-level graphics, which really dominate the market. These people, who are generally not particularly interested in deep games (or would have something suitable to play them), have finally been catered to again (they were catered to before gaming PCs simply because deep games were technologically near-impossible to create).

One of the more interesting trends coming out of the rise of simple games is the marketing and sale of flash games on PCs. Flash games are fantastic because it's so easy to port to a standalone app considering swf games can otherwise just be downloaded from an online game site to be played offline with any of many swf players. It's really fantastic for small developers, because it allows them to design and develop within their budget without enormous innovation-destroying barriers to entry (the barriers to entry for non-portable and even some portable dedicated game devices are usually very high, even if it's just the console themselves, which usually cost hundreds, whereas almost every potential game dev/designer already has a PC and Internet connection they can use). They can work their way up through this. Game devs are starting to see they can still make flash games, but make them more deep, with larger files, and sell offline versions of their games (which would be too large to have played for free on online flash sites) for PC and sometimes phones. Unlike companies such as Zynga and Popcap (though Popcap's started seeing the benefit of creating unique, deep games, rather than the slew of mundane hidden object games they had popped out like they were making novelty "oriental" toys), which just stick to simple (and generally horribly-evil Pavlovian-type) games, there are a good few companies using simple games as a diving board into deeper games.

OTOH, I consider simple games to be akin to slapped-together romance novels or "reality" shows in their respective medium. They're popular, but fail to really do anything meaningful except allow people to pass time, and I think the popularity of simple products for mediums capable of great depth is really a shame, and hurts the image of the mediums. They fail at creating true engagement, therefor can push no message (even if they try), and ultimately fail at creating social change or making any difference in the lives of those who play/read/watch them. It's pretty easy to find arguments against bashing simple games online, but it's usually coupled with the argument that encouraging simplicity is a good way to bring new people into gaming as a medium of interaction - but I think with such bad examples of what the medium can do, it's very likely more harmful than good. To argue in favor of encouraging simple games, I think, is disregarding the strong human tendency toward stereotyping. If you find that 5/5 of the people who've last robbed you are plumbers, you'll very likely distrust all plumbers - and I think, then, if you find the last 5/5 games you've played were time-wasters instead of a character-contributing activity, you'll assume the media as a whole is a waste of time (that said, there will always be a market for it for obvious reasons -- but people playing Angry Birds or Temple Runner outside of work breaks and at the DMV are committing a crime against humanity as far as I'm concerned). With older media like television and books, we all know there is depth to be found, and there's enough of a market established where everyone with common, cheap equipment can easily find and use these deep products (unlike with game platforms, all televisions can play virtually all its media -- having a 480p or lesser TV doesn't automatically mean you can't enjoy the depth of new products released on the medium). With games, though, there just aren't as many people convinced that a game can engage them because they've stereotyped it based on what they've seen or played, the vast majority being simple, usually Pavlovian, time-wasters. Games do this, again, because they're designed for the majority of people, a majority which has stereotyped games (and it's games' fault, not potential users') as being time-wasters designed for breaks or children.

Game streaming, if it (... or decent ISP infrastructure) ever takes off, might end up being the bridge between people unwilling to buy $1k+ in computer equipment required to play many of the deep, or at least complex, modern games. What would be interesting is a cheap open-source game console with rights secured to stream (through emulation) "exclusive" games from other console manufacturers' last-gen and previous games, as well as play/stream PC games, like Steam Box meets OnLive. In exchange for dramatically lower up-front costs than announced Steam Boxes, the box is able to stream games it's unable to run locally in a type of online rental format. There's no reason you then couldn't purchase a first-gen "Stream Box" and forever play the latest games, at least in the box's max resolution, while always being able to make up-front investments in buying the hardware upgrades needed to purchase the games to play locally if you want. You can technically do this with a PC now, but the process isn't well-streamlined (there's no rent-to-own options in streaming services AFAIK, and I don't know of any company than OnLive [and arguably MMOs, I guess] doing game streaming at all -- libraries are often extremely limited because the companies are using unlimited subscription models and buying the rights to stream games instead of using a more consignment-like model), and OTC PCs are often still unnecessarily big and ugly to set in a living room. If Steam or another deep-pocketed company were able to do that, I think it would open the floodgates of innovation. But... for now, it seems like closed-source clunkiness with piss-poor options to buy/play games and high barriers to entry for potential software designers/developers will be reality for a good while longer. However, the current F2P (P2W) and license-buying model for games and expensive upfront model for hardware (because they have to be able to play all games with cutting-edge technology locally) are both extremely primitive... it won't be with us forever. Everyone buying expensive hardware frequently going unused is horribly inefficient, and it'll change. Incidentally, Bitcoin (or a "lighter" cryptocurrency) would be perfect for an online pay-on-demand or rent-to-own structure of game streaming.

Also noticed games have becoming more easy. Have you seen these Facebook apps that people are into? A few of my girlfriends have been into these because they are so easy. I have asked a few what is so good, and they all replied "They are addictive". I haev never took a liking to iphone/facebook apps. They have no challange what so ever. They have too bad graphics, I don't like cartoon games, you know what I'm talking about.

I want my Sega mega drive back, why did I even sell it.

You're obviously too young to have ever played Atari...  ;D

http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/genesis/  :)

Atarwhat? O.o

Little young for that, I have played it. My brother has it.

#filterbubble

https://i.imgur.com/okQKMZI.png

 :D

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update (http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update)

Xbox has removed all its DRM. Your move Sony.

AHAHAHAHA Nice

I guess they'll have to rename it to the XBox 180.

Yep they fell into Sony's trap time for that 180 :)

I guess xbox finally realized how much money they would've lost keeping the DRM in place. Even with this news i'll still most likely get a PS4 instead.

I'm curious why? Not trying to knock you just want the honest truth. IMO now the only thing that the PS4 still has over Xbox is it's $100 cheaper. Other than that what else is better?

Faster memory

I hate to break it to you guys but modern day consoles now tend to just be plastic boxes with pre-configured PC components stuck in them and a controller attached, as far as I know they don't do anything particularly different from PCs ( In fact you could argue they're worse ) and they're just used as a good way of letting publishers have a monopoly over whatever goes on inside. This is also the reasoning behind why I hate PC forms of DRM because we already had that shit, it's just being used in a way to steal away control from the end user.

The only way I could see games consoles getting back into the market again is if they made them open source and easy to configure like a PC but then that would be just a PC with a different name on it really.

Exactly, you might as well get a PC with a controller....


The Xbox & Ps4 will still lose money this year. Xbox has made a great move with trade in games & no internet required. But, Ps4 was already doing that. So they have only matched Ps4. I believe Sony have something up they're sleeve.

But, no matter what happens I'll be sticking with my PC thank you!

Well overall I'm just tired of Microsoft and this DRM issue was the last straw. I've never owned a Playstation before (always had an Xbox) so I think now's a good time to try one.

PS4 may have faster RAM, but Xbox has better memory cache. Look at the PS3. It had faster RAM than the 360 yet it could barely handle Skyrim. Skyrim worked fine on the 360 because RAM is not the only important feature.

how is it sony's turn?
xbox just caught UP to sony, they have to make another move to make things right
also, more expensive, mandatory kinect.

and I don't even use consoles and i can tell sony is still in the better position.

I've owned Skyrim and other various performance hogging games. And they worked perfect. In fact, I only ever experienced a few second freezes. But, that's mainly the developers. They are pretty well known for buggy games.
I have also owned Skyrim on Xbox. It was pretty much the same. I experienced freezing and one or two crashes.

Xbox uses more memory in the background. If you have looked into debugging etc. You'll see that the Xbox is doing various other stuff whilst running the game. Whilst the Ps3 does the same. it's a lot less than the Xbox.

Whoa now... that was unexpected and honestly I think it changes my entire view of the One. To me, a company paying attention to its customers is one of the most admirable things one can do. To read this and see that Microsoft completely did a 180 from something they were so adamant about (or two things, if you consider the requirement to be online to play SP games) is major to me.

Maybe that was their plan. But, Sony was already doing this. Xbox had to do it, otherwise they would have lost the battle. They didn't listen to customers. They listened to their advisor's that they were making a big mistake.

It wouldn't have mattered one way or the other. Xbox fans will always buy the next Xbox, regardless as to what kind of ridiculousness is implemented. Much like why PC gamers use Windows. Because we like to? No. Because our choices are either 1) use Windows or 2) not be able to play most of our games.

You are right we gamers use windows for playing games because there are no other options which we like. Don't get me wrong there are options but they aren't quick enough or reliable enough for me. Windows is a top class operating system. Even though I believe Linux is better, Linux is not meant for gaming.
Just like the Xbox isn't made solely made for gaming. It's got all this multimedia. That's why a lot of people are pissed.
They want a console which just does what they want it to do, GAME. I don't want to watch Netflix or listen to music which I have to pay for. I can do that on my Smart TV which I plug in my Xbox.
But, back to the point. You said PC users use windows because we have no other choice. Well, Xbox fans HAVE a CHOICE. Sony is their competitors. They both do the same thing. Except Xbox has all added crap.

There is good news for PC users who use Linux. There is going to be further development in some games for Linux. So hopefully some big titles will be able to work.
Also, there is going to be a emulator which I have been keeping my eyes on. It looks promising and has been in development for quite a while now.
But, I don't see Linux as a gaming operating system. I normally use it for programming, networking & database work.

Exclusives for Xbox take away the choice, much like exclusives for PS3 take away the choice there. For example, Halo; one of the games that's played as an eSport.

So while you have a choice in whether or not you want to buy each system, if you want to play the games you like you have to get the proper one(s).

That is the developers choice. That's why a lot of game have not announced anything for the consoles & only for PC to this date. They may still develop for the console but it's their decision.
In fact Microsoft are known for paying developers to make it exclusive to Xbox. Of course Sony does it too.
I respect a developer which takes the time to develop on each platform. They put more effort into it. They have better profit margins. They give people freedom of choice.

I personally don't like gears of war & the halo series. Forza Motorsport on the other hand, is my style of game.

I will not be getting either on of the consoles. It's just a computer now. When people realise the price they are charging for a low end PC, people will start to ask why.
Xbox kept mentioning they have "Voice control" and how awesome it is. Voice control has been around for years. Nothing new and nothing special. It was a bug flop just like 3D tv's.


I'm only following each console, because there's a mini war going on between them, other than that I'm not interested. Especially paying online. PC = free. Also, think of all the games which you can't get on ps4 and Xbox. There are loads.
Classics like red alert (the good version, it's shit on the ps3 & xbox). command & conquer. Theme hospital (Very old game). Age of Conan.
I can go on and on. World of Warcraft. Everyone likes that don't they? Another would be Minecraft. Minecraft will never be as good on the Xbox.

8 year tenure on Xbox live. Haven't played playstation since 1 and 2. Already pre-order the Cod bundle, can't wait.

If I ever get a console again, the price would have to be down a lot, just because of the subscriptions involved when you have actually bought the console. In fact, I don't think I would even play on line. I would most likely play single player games.
I doubt I will get a console because for me needs I don't see the point.

Certainly, a shame as I did like the PS3 & Xbox 360. Just because they were mainly for gaming. I did prefer PS3. After experiencing both of them the PS3 was much faster and more responsive. For graphics and game capabilities, they are pretty much the same. Xbox had better communications and more people playing on line and was a lot cheaper than the PS3 at the time.


However, The PS4 is indeed cheaper than the xbox and offers everything related to gaming as the Xbox does. Except the Kinect which is **** anyway.

I only bought the Xbox 360 because of the Kinect, and I only play Kinect games on it, with the exception of Rock Band/Band Hero games. The Kinect is revolutionary for exercise games. I am waiting to see if anyone takes advantage of the new Kinect features for exercising. If so, it may eventually be worth it to me to get the One.

Consoles are the only way to play the awesome RPG's, which sucks. I wish more RPG's were ported over to the PC. As it is, you really have to rely on consoles for certain game genres.

As I am a fan of modern and semi-modern RPGs, I can say most are on PC so that doesn't worry me. Old school ones don't really catch my attention.