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1) Are you used Bitcoin to buy illegal staff ???

2) which better to buy legal things  Bitcoin or Normal Bank system (PP,payeer,cash ,.............)

This question have its answer itself,
everyone who holds bitcoins and want to buy illigal things buys with bitcoin.
Reason is simple no one can trace you.
I once tried to buy in dark web but actually i was ripped over there.
So yeah think before you buy almost 99% asre sacms

You can buy legal and illegal stuff with your own paper moneys/Fiat moneys and it is the same with Bitcoin as it is not an exemption to the rule of money, as long as you can spend valuable things in exchange of other things whether it is good or bad. It is just a matter of who will gonna use the money though and we all know the saying 'Money is the root of all evil' so meaning it is evil but if you use it in a good way then it is not. It just happened that Bitcoin is an international digital currency but it is still 'Money'.

Personally, I have never used Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency in the market to buy anything considered to be illegal or to avail of any services coming from the so-called dark web. In my opinion, although Bitcoin should not get the full blame as any fiat money can also be used for illegal transactions (they can be tracked but not all are brought to the arms of the law otherwise we will not have busy law enforcement agencies), the use of Bitcoin in dark web transactions is not practically helping the reputation of this digital currency. 

But then we have to understand that there is no way to stop anybody to avail of Bitcoin and use it for illegal transactions. this can be the reason why the government is now enforcing the KYC procedures so as to limit its illegal use. As time goes on, the government can be able to get availed of more advanced tracking system even if Bitcoin can be partly anonymous (not totally as they say).

Bitcoin enthusiast and supporters are encouraged to go above aboard as a way to help Bitcoin get a much better reputation.

Nope, I don’t have any intention or interest for doing so. It is our first responsibility to use bitcoin in the best and the most legal way as possible. If I’m still using tor browser right now and always visiting .onion sites I would might be tempted to do that but those days of bad things is done.

After the silkroad raid with the government recover thousands of bitcoin. It’s more good to be not part of that community again.


Why compare when you can use both and nothing is better they’re both the best.

Do you mean illegal stuff ?

I have never used bitcoins to buy the illegal products and I think people should also make clean use of the bitcoins.

 

So far I haven't made an illegal purchase with bitcoin. Actually there's no different to buy illegal using bitcoin and money chas. As long the seller receive cryptocurrency.

I never bought illegal goods using bitcoin, let alone to buy illegal staff, I did not think so far to use bitcoin. I just buy bitcoin in a natural way and do not want to get into trouble with what I've bought.

Calculations with illegal staff, the purchase of illegal goods most often occurs in cash. Stop spreading lies. Bankers and governments are trying to create public opinion about what bitcoin is used for illegal transactions. From your post it is clear that you never hired the staff. It is a fake.

I think it is one of the main reason why some countries dont really want bitcoin in their country. Because it could be easily acquired by unknown entity. Wether it would be used as good or bad, people could easily get funds if they invested or even mined it. Some are even making affiliation services with in banks. Like in our place where there is a site that is connected to all banks but is not within the government.

Don't kid yourself. Bitcoin is pseudo-anonymous.
Anybody can see which unspent outputs are used as inputs by a new transaction, and which address got funded. By seeing which unspent outputs are combined in a transaction, addresses can be coupled to wallets.

Since a lot of exchanges started to use KYC regulations, and everybody and their mother are logging ip's, allmost all your exchange activity's can be traced back to you.

To make things worse, as soon as you buy a physical good using BTC, you have to enter a valid address, pointing directly at yourself.

Even mixers don't provide 100% safety, since you don't know who's operating them, and by the ever increasing field of data mining and blockchain analysis, to some point, it's even possible to join together mixer's inputs and outputs (or so it seems... I've never done this myself, but i've read that theoretically, it's possible).

As for the OP's question: i've bought some marihuana seeds and a knife using BTC... It's not really illegal in my country (they were both purchased on legal webshops, using my real name and address), but those are the most grey-area things i've ever bought with BTC

bit coin is not a currency. so we have to buy anything in the world with use of bit coin. who doing dark business like that people using bit coins. most of the country's not accept bit coin because reason is behind this. so that country government banned it in their country's. really most of the people using bit coin to buy illegal staff. because it has no tax and fee no need to calculations for the government. so most of the people interested for this site.

I agree, bitcoin can be traced by IP, but I am not sure if people use anonymity network, whether he/she still can be traced?

Bitcoin was used for sell-buy operations about illegal in the most of countries things from the most beginning. If to talk about myself - I didn't buy even a Mary Jane with bitcoin or cashed out coins. I have other more important to me things to spend my payments. But I will not be surprised to hear that many of the forum users spend their payments for easy drugs.

if I have never bought a bitcoin myself I only use bitcoin as an investment and trading altcoin, and I prefer to use fiat money to buy goods because its value is stable, and if I buy goods using bitcoin with unstable value I worry when after paying with bitcoin suddenly the value of bitcoin rises, I think by paying with bitcoin I feel a loss with bitcoin price increase.

It actually depends on you, whether you use it to buy illegal or legal stuff. Although, I agree with many people that if you'll buy something illegal then better use bitcoins because you less tractability. However, if what you're pertaining to by 'illegal' are those government sanctions stuff, I doubt that you can buy just like that. Also, those people who deal those materials often would not want to deal using other means than cash. In terms of legal items, then it's up to you situation, if you have a lot of bitcoin holding and the establishment accepts bitcoin purchases and transactions, then by all means use them. However, if you feel it would be better to use money, then go for it as well.

 bitcoin can be used to both ways but I prefer to buy legal things using it now unlike the dark past of bitcoin itself..

If the government is keen to identify a man who uses bitcoin in illegal business they will find it without problems. Modern technologies allow to do it easily. Bitcoin anonymous only indirectly. It seems to me that you can't blame bitcoin for all the ills. The responsibility of law enforcement agencies to find criminals. They get paid for it. To cover up their inactivity with bitcoin is wrong.

Bitcoin provide anonymous transaction so it can't be trace easily but police still able to track down although they require more resource to find the suspect.
Because of this reason, my government still not legalize bitcoin in order to protect people from corruptor / money laundry etc

They can able to track down the transaction on where those funds go and moved but knowing the identity on such wallet would really be difficult to trace up no matter how you have on those resources that you do mention.
Negative aspects of bitcoin is always there because this is really a good tool for those criminals or people who do have really dirty intentions on making it on illegal stuffs.Dark use would be always there and criminals will surely switch because they know bitcoin is far more better than on those bank or fiat transactions.

Bitcoin is not so anonymous as you think and every government can follow all it's roads. For illegal activity there are other coins which are totally anonymous, which exchanged from bitcoin, and crypto currencies mixers ;)

Nice try officer 8)

No, I'm not used to buy illegal stuff with Bitcoin. Bitcoin has another purposes for me. Nowadays, it's better to use fiat to buy most things as Bitcoin isn't accepted on most places where people are used to buy things and Bitcoin is a valuable currency that is gaining too much power these days, so I don't think it's a smart idea to use Bitcoins now, better to hold maximum as possible to enjoy the benefits from its price.

But it depends how and why you are using Bitcoins. For some people it's an investment, for others it's a full income source... On this second case Bitcoin is needed for almost things people need to buy, when not buying with BTC directly, exchanging into fiat first.

For number one, I mainly use my bitcoins primarily for investment purposes and for extra cash. I do not use it anywhere else, especially under the dark web for illegal transactions since I would've waste its potential. Considering bitcoin's decentralized nature, it is no wonder that there is this stigma that people think about bitcoin being illegal. Hopefully that mindset would change and shall be replaced with the opportunities it provide.

For number two, it really depends on your personal preference. Some people utilize bitcoin as a payment into paying for their monthly obligations or for paying it to retailers. This is also highly dependent on the shop that you are buying if they are accepting bitcoin as a payment. There is no problem using bitcoin or fiat as payment, but fiat is better with regards to the availability of shops, services, and trades accepting it as payment compared to bitcoin, being limited.

For one thing, Bitcoin was created to be used in a censorship resistant manner where no third party can consider what you are doing to be used for "bad" or "good".  This is especially important in countries where there is more unwanted regulation coming from governments and allows people to freely trade with one another in restricted countries.  This type of freedom is important yet comes with issues on it's own such as online crime... this doesn't mean it should be banned or anything just like physical fiat shouldn't be banned.

But if you are trying to use Bitcoin to remain anonymous and use it for online purchases of drugs or whatever, you are absolutely insane. Bitcoin, at best can be classified as pseudononymous because it inherently isn't fungible.  In order for Bitcoin to be fungible, every transaction, every address, every amount transacted should be hidden and obscured from prying eyes (or any type of block chain analysis). 

What this means is that I could accept Bitcoin from you and not have to worry about whether I can cash out into fiat, PM's, or whatever, on the off chance that you got your Bitcoins from someone using it on the dark web or not.  I don't have to worry about whether the bank will accept my $20 bill or not based on them analyzing the bill and seeing how much cocaine residue is on it based on the last guy who owned the bill's late night bender.

i am not using bitcoin to buy illegal stuff because i don't want to risk my life to the something that i don't know. i think if the seller using bitcoin, you can use bitcoin too for the payment but if you want to buy in store online like amazon, ebay and something like that, then i suggest you to use paypal because paypal have a good security and paypal care with their customer. i don't have any experience using payeer, so i don't know how the works but i think its the same like paypal. if necessary, you can use cash to transfer your money to the third party service like escrow agents that will hold your money until you have the stuff then you make a report to that agents that you receive the stuff.

I buy Bitcoin using legal means and I only use Bitcoin for investment purposes. People or states can use Bitcoin  to do dark things, but I do not believe that Bitcoin is completely anonymous and completely untraceable. In addition, those who want to do dark jobs can use any existing money and payment channel, digital money is not the only way to pay for dark jobs.

No. I haven't used my bitcoin to buy illegal stuff. But it can be used in the dark web or deep web to purchase illegal thing like drug. But if you haven't heard before, the authorities took down 2 dark web market, Alpha Bay and Hansa already. So it is already discourage to used those illegal dark web markets to buy illegal stuff.


I don't understand you question, but if you are asking if bitcoin can be used to buy legal thing then the answer is Yes. Although it is not yet accepted as global payment, but there are few pharma that accepts bitcoin. You search the forum I remember their was one who have been deliver legal drugs. Of course since bitcoin has not yet widely accepted, it is better to used Paypal or Payeer or COD on the market. But once bitcoin is accepted, then you can used it freely to but legal things online.

Just like how money may be used to buy legal and illegal things, the same goes with bitcoin.

I believe that it would all boil down on the morality of a person. To answer your question, I haven't bought anything illegal with the use of bitcoin however it is very possible to be done by others. Bitcoin and money are simply the means to an end - and it may be an illegal or legal end. This does not necessarily mean that money or bitcoin is illegal or evil as well. For me, I think that both may be used to buy legal things however fiat money is accepted more globally.

You can use bitcoin to buy illegal stuffs if you want to do so and in fact bitcoin has been famous before because of the buying and selling of drugs and the FBI was able to caught the culprit behind it. As for me, I don't intend to use bitcoin the illegal way because I just want to earn to supplement my income and lucky for me that I was able to find an online income which can be done anytime so that I can do it after my day job. For the payment option, I use fiat instead of bitcoin because almost all my needs are only payable through fiat like groceries and since bitcoin is not yet that famous, for those people that I owe, I pay them fiat because they don't know about bitcoin.

Bitcoin may be used by malicious people, but this does not make Bitcoin worse. Bitcoin international and wordwide.

Well, i have never bought anything illegal, not with bitcoin nor with fiat.
I actually don't have much knowledge about this, but people say that Bitcoin is traceable too. So it doesn't really make a difference if you buy something illegal with Bitcoin or any other currency as you are gong to be tracked down if that is how it is supposed to be. Maybe it is a more anonymous buying it with Bitcoin, but if people think they are totally anonymous using Bitcoin for something illegal, i think they are completely wrong.

If you use bitcoin in illegal activities by using it to buy illegal things then you will caught up by the authorities you will just give your nation a chance to think twice about the legality of the bitcoin or to recall its adoptation and provide a very strict regulations resulting to decrease the freedom you have enjoyed of using the digital currency. Although the fiat was already use in illegal means but at least the government can see a good difference.

The main dark of Bitcoin is by using it into illegal transactions. Bitcoin is not evil. The idea of Bitcoin is simply to transact freely that no one can track. And the currency itself is not regulated by the government. But because of this, some people took this as advantage to have safe transactions into illegal services like drugs or prostitutes etc.

First, I dont want to because it is against my principles in life but to be on that situation is something we can’t predict, we can’t be sure or even we don’t like it.

Second, most transaction with paper money/fiat isn’t much more untraceable because of no documentation, not like Blockchain. Most corrupt officials does it “bagman” thing. I hope most of us understand that.

This is not about what illegal used of bitcoin that others painted it to be but because they are insecure to what bitcoin has become.

Bitcoin would really be used on these kind of transactions because this is the perfect thing not to be traced by the government or any other people who do chase criminality.Bitcoin do have the perfect solution and this is why its famous regarding on its negative effects and usage too. It isnt bad at all since bitcoin is just being used but still other people do really make generalization to be consider as a bad thing.

For me I use bitcoin for buy legal stuffs. I'm not interest to purchase any illegals stuffs.
Usually I buy stuffs for my family and friends and bitcoin really answer my need all this time.

Because of bitcoin, I have another chance to purchase something that I can't buy before

Bitcoin may be used for money laundering, that's why exchange platforms have placed in an AML and KYC system in their business model. Same with fiat money, you can always use it for illegal ways if done underground.

Looks like Monero has became most used crypto for buying on dark web, anonimity is more important than with bitcoin.

I think most of the people use this digital currency to buy illegal stuff and to launder there money. Recently the hackers who hacked  the Game of Thrones episodes demanded the ransom in bitcoins as it is not traceable.  

i think, the most important thing is  'what is your intention'. if your intention is to buy illegal things then no one can prevent you from doing it [if you use money or crypto like btc whatever] so the question is not about the currency, it is all about your intention.

This is such a funny question.

I personally don't buy anything illegal with bitcoin or fiat. But any currency will be used for evil. There's really no way to control that

Why would anyone want to admit on this platform that they do illegal things?  :D

Regardless currency will always touch illegal substances/activity. There's probably a blockchain out there about to come out to prevent that anyways

exactamundo. value is require to purchase substances, illegal or not. doesnt matter if you are buying cotton candy or heroin. bitcoin is a store a value; a profitable one, but nothing more than that. so its unfair to conflate all illicit fundage with bitcoin. there is a shitton more fiat than there is btc, the entire crypto capitalization for that matter.

bitcoin is convenient. try to move more than 5k usd at a time from a bank. you will fill out form, they will ask you questions. and they will report to the government. if all that doesnt appeal to you, then bitcoin!

That's simply not true, though.  You think you're totally safe from the cops when you use bitcoin?  That's a big LOL.

Hell no, I've never bought anything on the dark web.  I've never even used or seen what's there.  I'm aware that TOR exists, but that's the extent of my knowledge of such things.  Been down the drug use route before and have no plans for that again, or anything else that's illegal.  Bitcoin makes buying illegal things quicker, but I don't think it makes it any safer for the buyer.  You'd be much better off paying with cold, hard cash.  That's probably not possible on the internet, but you know what I'm saying.  Cash is way more anonymous than bitcoin.  The police would be able to trace you somehow, believe me.  Plus if you got the postal service involved, yeah.

Bitcoin gets an undeserved bad rap because of the dark marketeering, and it's unfortunate, but everyone in real life that I've mentioned bitcoin to, and got a response that they knew about it, it's always been connected in their minds to Silk Road or buying drugs in some manner.  It's too bad.

I have never used Bitcoin to buy illegal stuff and I never will. This isn't even coming from a moral standpoint. I simply am not interested in illegal stuff. There's also the fact that it's these very activities that paint Bitcoin in a bad light. Think of all the ransomware floating around the internet, with the hackers demanding Bitcoin to decrypt their files. You think people victimized by these will trust Bitcoin again? So yeah, I would rather not help in the further spread of that, especially because Bitcoin's image is slowly being liberated from that.

As for which is better, cash for personal transactions because they can't be traced, Bitcoin for online transactions, because they're somewhat anonymous. Really though, just don't do illegal stuff lol.

1. No I never use bitcoin for any illegal purpose.
If any one brought or done any illegal thing I don't think that he will admit it here.
2. If you have any concern about legality when buying any thing with btc then you may convert it to flat then using the exchanger which are legal in your country.

Right. If a person really wants to buy any illegal things, he will find a way and he will do it. Either bitcoin or fiat, it depends on that particular individual on what he is going to do with his money.

This discussion seems not really necessary or just part of black propaganda. Whatever the intention is I hope you find your answer. Bitcoin can be used to buy illegal stuff even fiat money or gold you can trade with that. So it’s not on bitcoin alone it is an open secret that buying illegal things is present since the world began with or w/out bitcoin.

I am certain that buying with bitcoin comes with anonymity but having mobile phones dealing with criminals is against the rule, so cash is more acceptable brand of bargaining.

In many posts on different forums in the media, on TV lately you can read about what bitcoin is used in illegal transactions. More often there are reports that bitcoin is a bubble. However, no conclusive evidence it is not. I think that is part of the company's banks aimed at discrediting bitcoin. To combat illegal activities there is a special service let them do their job and not blame all the sins of bitcoin.

Sorry I Don't Use Bitcoin to buy any illegal Staff. Because I don't Need it.

Bitcoin is best way to buy legal things if your client or merchant  accept it or  where you want to buy. Every one don't accept it.

If you use bitcoin tht's time you so much benefit, Like its safe and secure, low fee and so much fast for transaction. But Your other payment method don't give this benefit. So think about it.     

I can say more. The capitalization of the bitcoin is much smaller than the annual turnover of narcotics. Illicit arms trafficking is only possible with the use of Fiat. Why is no one talking about the fact that you need to ban dollars? This currency is used in most of the illegal transactions. Give me an example of illegal transaction for the sale of oil by Iran which is under sanctions. The prosecution of bitcoin all these are just examples of the information war.

Well I guess nobody in this thread will ever admit to using Bitcoins to buy illegal stuff. What is illegal, being subjective by nature, depends on the country of jurisdiction.

To buy legal things, you can use either Bitcoins or fiat. It is up to you. But be mindful of its current values before deciding to use either of them for you might be at the losing end if you misappropriated an amount that should have been used for investment.

Already such transaction is happening with cash. So we can't say that BTC will be responsible for such things. People who want to buy illegal stuff like drugs etc will buy it...no matter transaction is done with cash, gold, BTC or any other currency.
No doubt that BTC could give some ease to such transactions coz, unlike bank system BTC transaction is untraceable and anonymous.

Bitcoin transactions offer people convenience and that's really it. I don't consider Bitcoin to be anonymous at all. If I need a certain level of anonymity when it comes to something illegal, I rather use something like Monero.

It doesn't offer 100% anonymity, but at least it's far better than what Bitcoin could ever offer me. For that reason I believe that Monero and some other similar privacy crypto's will slowly take over Bitcoin in deep web markets.

It's something that should have happened a long time ago, but it is what it is. It's likely because of the fact that altcoins still weren't really picking up in terms of adoption, but that's changing already ~ the entire crypto has evolved.

not sure why people would want to admit they use bitcoin to do illegal things lol. But those people should also know they're screwing it up for the rest of us

I am not using Bitcoin for "Dark Use" or illegal transactions. I am more of an investor and doing signature campaigns to get some extra money to spend in my expenses. But Bitcoin is actually being used for it. This is because the idea of Bitcoin with anonymous transactions is an opportunity for them. This is also why the government is trying to regulate Bitcoin. Some countries even banned it already and the same reason that shut down Bitcoin companies for trading.

I guess it is not east to avoid people who would take opportunity in bitcoin either good or bad. It is really not easy to track where the money would go so their are really some exchange sites that are already requiring basic identity verification. Which is hard to understand for other users saying it is a hussle butf for me, that could also be a good thing to at least have records on who is using and getting money.

I haven't decided to buy something with btc.
who knows today you buy something of $10 in 2btc and tomorrow you know that you can get that thing in just 1btc  ;D

what king of stupid question is that .do you think someone would really tell the truth about BUYING ILLEGAL STUFF here?what kind of planet you belong?stupidity sorround us now a days,starting with this one.have some sense before posting.or better shut up your mouth..

Well, as for me, I have Bitcoins and I use it for legitimate purposes. Like for instance, I do Bitcoin trading, loaning, and mining. And when the prices are high, I convert it to fiat so I can use the same as funding for my future endeavors.

It is inaccurate to say that when people use Bitcoins, they are into illegal transactions. In fact, a lot of people who use fiat are into illegal transactions. So I guess using one as contrasted to the other is NOT conclusive of what your activities are.

You pay the taxes on their transactions with bitcoin? Probably not. This means that from the point of view of the government you use bitcoin to escape taxes. It is a crime. States always adhere to the tactics who is not with us is against us. Bitcoin allows us to exist independently. Can we not cooperate with the government if we don't trust politicians. For them, it is like a death sentence. Therefore, they are afraid of bitcoin.

It cannot be avoided, but people tend to find ways to get around illegal activities, and bitcoin is no exception.
It just leads down to the individual user, I guess.

Agreed totally, No one will ask to ban fiat for the reason they’re profiting from it unlike bitcoin/cryptocurrency we are the ordinary(mostly) are the one profiting. This is the proof of they’re biases and the government itself is part of it. This is a revolution against them and to stop it is the main goal that they’re organization is prioritising.

Hope that the time for them to refrain from making this unreliable and untruthful statements will be sooner. I’m tired of them.

I fully support you. But I think what we do is not beneficial to the government legalized bitcoin. If it is a revolution, then let them be themselves and we're on our own. We have been from them do not expect anything good. In our hands the freedom. Now let them compete in attractiveness with bitcoin or let the politicians leave.

1. No,  I don't use it for stuff like that.
2. Bitcoin for sure,  as it's more anonymous.

Bitcoin is used in dark web which means that it is being used to buy illegal things such as  ammunitions, drugs etc.I personally don't use Bitcoin to buy such things but there are some people who are using this anonymity feature provided by bitcoin in a wrong way. Bitcoin transactions are anonymous i.e. identity of the people involved in transaction remains hidden and government is not able to track them.Due to this feature they feel more free to use Bitcoin for these illegal buying.

If you are not used bitcoin to purchase illegal goods how can you claim that this is possible? I think it's just a rumor. Fiat are much easier and anonymous than bitcoin. If you don't believe me you can try to buy bitcoin for example drugs. You will see how soon the cops will be knocking on your door. Bitcoin anonymity is a myth. All transactions leave their traces on the Internet and it is not difficult to find you.

we know that buying stuff through bitcoin payment is untraceable, that is why there are always people that we cannot trace and stop in buying illegal things. people in this earth needs money, so everything that can earn money even thou it's illegal or not then it is well appreciated.

the advantage is if you buy both legal and illegal things bitcoin transactions are always untraceable.

Bitcoin most liquid cryptocurrency and most popular, so it is the main reason why bitcoin so attractive for criminals in comparison with other cryptocurrencies which more untraceable

Bitcoin transaction is transparent in blockchain and it is not fully untraceable actually you can trace to whichever Bitcoin addresses your Bitcoin balance came from at when you send it to another addresses you can still see it so I think it is traceable if you want to it is just that you can't know what is the identity of that specific Bitcoin address owner. It is just a matter of choice to what kind of things does a Bitcoin holder want to use his digital currency online just like in the real world.

1. nope i never did that but in my view although people use bitcoin for their illegal acts but clearly they will never admitting it

2.  it depend on the legalize of bitcoin on the particular countries because if bitcoin legal in your country that means buy stuffs with bitcoin is pretty good but if bitcoin still not admitted as the currencies in your country i think you cannot buy anything directly use bitcoin and convert them first to your local currency through your bitcoin local exchanges

1. No, Im just earning bitcoin from doing tasks. Dont have plan as of now to use my btc. Maybe if I'll have a good amount of btc.
2. For me, all are good. What ever funds is available I'll use it.

1. I only once used my btc to buy stellar lumens before but now Im earning it. I dont have any plan to use btc in illegal staff, it's a wrong doing and I dont like that.
2. I prefer both, whatever available funds I have I'll use it.

1. No,  but others might.
2. To buy legal things?  Either could be used but I prefer bitcoin due to no chargebacks.

No, I am not interested in any illegal staff.
Normal bank system is good, bitcoin is good also, but it's not convenience to buy things using bitcoin in today's daily life.

Bitcoin is really pseudo-anonymous and still traceable IMHO. Although there is really no name attached to every bitcoin address, but once authorities try to check and unravel the movement of your transactions, they can really pinpoint that you bought illegal stuffs using your bitcoin and the next will be a total arrest, raid your houses, get your PC and examined it for more evidence. That's why coins like Monero exist, because they offer anonymity for this kind of activity. But again, I'm not into illegal stuff, I just earn bitcoins and used it accordingly.

It is not good to use bitcoin in illegal activities such as buying illegal staff because this is the reason why some government don't want to legalize bitcoin that they are afraid that it might be use in illegal activities such as money laundering, smuggling, drugs and explosives in which might ruin the country and put the people at risk too. So better we do not use bitcoin in illegal so that the government will not think twice anymore to legalize bitcoin anyway most of the government now will regulate bitcoin before legalizing it.  

Yes, a lot of people are using bitcoin in an illegal way online, we cant blame them. It's easy money and they are temp in doing such thing to earn faster.
And bitcoin owner now is still untraceable I think.

I have never used bitcoin for illegal purposes. Bitcoin's dentralized nature and anonymity is not the only reason why it is used for illegal purposes .
Fiat money is also used at a huge extent to do illegal practices but that does not mean that the particular currency is responsible for that . All that depends on how people use that currency . The dark web is not because of a currency but the people who use that currency for wrong purposes.

Maybe Bitcoin is so popular that it has the effect of illegal use? To me, Bitcoin is legal but when appeal illegal causing countries to misrepresent Bitcoin. There is no other negative effect.

For better or worse dark-web network allows you to safely make purchases only through Bitcoin. So yes, a lot of my friends did it.

It always depend on the user. They also said that internet will help studentt in their studies, but they just make them lazy and they use it to watch porn instead and other darker stuff so it's not fair to blame bitcoin for that.

Just as the internet may be used as a tool for illegal use and activities, this may also be done with bitcoin. The internet is not said to be dark or evil just because people may use it for dark or evil purposes. If the user has evil intentions, then they would use anything - even something as innocent or neutral as bitcoin - to deliver their greediness and wants. This does not actually mean that bitcoin is evil or dark. It may be used for dark purposes but this does not dictate the nature of bitcoin per se.

Why is everyone saying that bitcoin is used for illegal purposes but no one cites specific examples. For example I saw a site which sells the finest cannabis seeds. Do it for Fiat. There are no discussions on the subject of what is more commonly used for illegal activities. I'm sure Fiat several orders of magnitude higher are used in the shadow economy than bitcoin.

yes my main use for illegal things like VCC and Sheap VPS

Normal Bank system is better

I haven't bought any illegal things with Bitcoin on the darkweb. Even if I did, I wouldn't admit doing it here. These days it's easy to buy something with Bitcoin. There are plenty of companies which offer bank transfers if you pay them in Bitcoin. Bitcoin transactions are irreversible due to its design unlike PayPal. It has some advantages and disadvantages.

I know,right? "Yes officer, I have used BTC to buy illegal things on the dark web".

That's a joke. Keep yo shit private, son.

No. If people think they are anonymous using bitcoin to buy drugs on the darknet then they are mistaken. Authorities can still trace them and I have no plans getting arrested just to try how it feels to be high. Bitcoin isn't a tool for illegal things.

I never bought smthg illegal. But from my friends of course i've heard about all that things. But they also buy the same things in the help of fiat.Darknet will always exist.The same with illegal usage of bitcoin.

In deepweb i think there so many illegal activity and transaction doing everyday like silkroad buying illegal drugs or selling drugs or pedophile in overall there so many dark use of bitcoin.

Escrow services are still important not only in the use of bitcoin but also in all internet transactions. Bitcoin is easy to use to scam because anyone could buy or sell anything with BTC and never be tracked. Be careful and careful in the bitcoin world.

You are not right. There is always the possibility to keep track of transactions. With the same success we can say that it is impossible to track transactions in Fiat. Major funding illegal operations is made in the Fiat. The use of bitcoin for illicit purposes is a fairy tale invented by the bankers. They are losing their relevance and want to ruin the reputation of bitcoin.

for me i will never use bitcoin or real money to buy illegal things, because that will only bring harm to me and to my family, there are reasons why these things are called illegal, so why waste my money on such contraptions.

I did not try to use Bitcoin in illegal staff.I think Bitcoin is a currency not use for illegal staff.I always used my BTC for very personal such as financially i support my family by Bitcoin,my study cost provide by Bitcoin & online shopping is by Bitcoin.

I do not know what happens when bitcoin is used in illegal transactions. I heard that the hackers asked for payment in bitcoin, but nobody knows they got the money or not. Maybe it was just fake. Who knows. Governments intentionally exaggerate around bitcoin in order to justify his negative attitude towards bitcoin.

No. If people want to do that and they can go ahead and just wait for authorities to appear next their doorstep. It is already  proven that bitcoin transactions can still be traced so drug dealers can't make bitcoin hide their locations.

That is exactly the point. It is not just easy to pint point any one who are transacting the btc. Their maybe some clues and links from the addresses but im sure if you are a criminal, you can easily make some things to avoid tracking it to you directly.

That's why my government still not legalize bitcoin because bitcoin transaction is untraceable !
I think it's need some time for my government to legalize bitcoin in the future but for me personally , bitcoin really help me a lot for doing transaction that can't be done with ordinary fiat

I've never bought anything on the dark web.  I've never even used or seen what's there.  I'm aware that TOR exists, but that's the extent of my knowledge of such things.  Been down the drug use route before and have no plans for that again, or anything else that's illegal.  Bitcoin makes buying illegal things quicker, but I don't think it makes it any safer for the buyer.  You'd be much better off paying with cold, hard cash.  That's probably not possible on the internet, but you know what I'm saying.  Cash is way more anonymous than bitcoin.  The police would be able to trace you somehow, believe me.  Plus if you got the postal service involved, yeah.

You can use BTC as legally as you can use it illegally. It all comes down to personal decision. For now, though, a lot of merchants and business are not accepting BTC as standard form of payment, so they use PP or FIAT cash.

John McCafe said that bitcoin is replaced by people on the darkweb using Monero because it is more anonymous compared to bitcoin. And I know IT experts can find solution to solve this problem in the future.

In those countries where bitcoin is illegal, crimes do exist there, smuggling drugs usage and black money transferring do exist, so it does not depend on bitcoin it depends on our mentality, these are we humans who are responsible for crimes and the currency, even in other regular currencies crimes are committed, so we all need to educate our minds properly.

No because illegal  when buy things will support crime.

for my country better bank for global bitcoin

I think that's already part of the options and ideas some dark minded people have on their list on how to gain money. It may also be a mover to do bad things through hacking or scamming people. There has been numerous news of managers and companies taking advantage of people through their ICOs. It's not really surprising anymore why some people think of cryptocurrency as something that's illegal.

You mean McAfee? That would make more sense tho. Monero is focused on privacy unlike bitcoin. Bitcoin is only being blamed because it was the first.

Its just sad to put everything on bitcoin though. Its the widely used cryptocurrency and the first to gain a wide range of audience including criminals. But the design of bitcoin is not anonymous, hence they can still go after you and track everything. Monero is now the best anonymous coins, although its not as popular as bitcoin because it focuses more on privacy but it should be the logical choice for criminals who want to buy illegal items underground.

Bitcoin is good for money transaction and for getting some knowledge like here in forum but there's a lot of person that use bitcoin to create a pshing site or they scam other with using bitcoin as a scam tools i think that is the dark side of bitcoin,we can avoid to being scam by just search if the person is trusted or their site is trusted

Of course not, I am using bitcoin for a good purpose. But I have read articles and/or discussing about bitcoin being used in illegal things, such as buying drugs, playing illegal games, buying unlicensed armors and others. This is such a disappointment to anyone who use bitcoin for a good purpose. Many of people goes to bitcoin to get jobs, to earn money, to invest and others and not for negative use, there may be some of these bad people who are in desperate to do their crimes, in which they've learned bitcoin and use for their crime. This thing may be one of the reasons why other countries banned bitcoin. And sooner or later if government will new all these illegal transaction using bitcoin, there maybe a chance of getting it banned in the whole world.

Why are you talking only about bitcoin? What you never heard about this phenomenon as the failure of banks and various funds. They only work with Fiat. This does not prevent them to conduct fraudulent activity. Any currency is only a tool in the hands of fraudsters. It's silly to blame it on bitcoin.

I hope that there are not many such people. But it is known that there are sites on which you can buy illegal drugs with the help of bitcoins. Against these projects it is necessary to fight at the international level, but still it can not bring positive results.

That's why government play an important role in order to protect people from it.
My government still not legalize bitcoin because of this reason especially when my people still prefer to purchase drugs anonymously and bitcoin can be use for this advantage

normally, it is simply legal to buy illegal stuff. the statement described itself already. any kind of payment used to pay for illegal assets and products is already defined as illegal activity

It's all in the mind of the person, because it is quite similar to the other types of currency for it can be used to buy stuff that are illegal.

As you know, the most benefit is remain anonymous. And it attracts not only hackers, but also "ordinary" scammers , who prefer to stay in the shade when making dubiously legitimate transactions. Another reason for the high criminal activity around crypto-currencies is the poorly developed security infrastructure and the carelessness of most users. It is psychologically difficult for people to get used to the fact that money can be stored not in a bank account (even with online access), but in ordinary files on a home computer disk.Crypto-currencies, mainly Bitcoin, considered to be very  popular on various services of the "dark network" (DarkNet ) . These servises are the main ways of making payments. This happens because of full anonymity and lack of control . It is quite obvious that the sellers of weapons, drugs and other "delights" of the black market became one of the first who started to use bitcoins seriously.A distinctive feature of such sites is that it can not be accessed the regular methods - using a usual browser. The method of anonymous transfer of money, and even the very idea of ​​a decentralized currency, made it possible to greatly reduce the possibility of control by special services.

Bitcoin can be use to buy illegal stuff but I choose not to because I don't want to get involved in something illegal. It is not only bitcoin that can be use to buy something illegal because anything that both parties (buyer and seller) agreed upon as payment option can be use whether it is fiat, precious metals or even barter of stuffs. Bitcoin is preferred by some because of its anonymity but cash transactions can have anonymity as well. Bitcoin has been existing for 9 years but illegal activities are happening since time immemorial so any payment option can be use.

I prefer to buy things that I need in cash simply because I perceived bitcoin as investment not as a currency and the limited merchants as well prevents me from spending it. The transaction fee is a hindrance as well when using bitcoin in small value transactions so as much as possible, I limit the transfer of bitcoin.

Bitcoin can be used to buy things electronically. In that sense, it’s like conventional dollars, euros, or yen, which are also traded digitally.However, bitcoin’s most important characteristic, and the thing that makes it different to conventional money, is that it is decentralized. No single institution controls the bitcoin network. This puts some people at ease, because it means that a large bank can’t control their money.

I don't use bitcoin to buy illegal stuff because I am too afraid of the law and I don't want to break the law. in the past, I usually buy something on the internet using paypal and fortunately, my paypal account is verified so I can easily buy and pay with paypal. I am not familiar with payeer or else but in real life, I usually used cash to pay or buy something.

I supposed that nobody in this thread will write the truth, it is stupid to write here something like "yes, I have used bitcoin for illegal things", am I wrong?
I also feel fear towards the government about any use of crypto currencies, but for now my country (Russia) still didn't take the final decision about crypto currencies, so I am using it freely, but I am impatient what kind of the law is going to be in the end. But I don't doubt there are people who take a risk and do or buy illegal things with crypto currencies with the hope the law will not touch them, maybe for now it works, but I don't think it is going to be so for long.

It only comes down to only one thing-conscience. If you are a good person who handles things responsibly,takes care of family, earns to make them happy and satisfied, then probably you wont misuse not just bitcoins but any other form of money as well.  :). Just like any other game this has also its own rules. So it all depends on you whether you want to actually follow them or not. Personally I feel that is our moral responsibility to put bitcoins to  good use unless you want to be known as a notorious gangster or as some kind of a whacko-choice is all yours... :) :) :)

Don't be impatient and don't mind to fast for your country to do such act.Its better to cherish the freedom on what you are experiencing as of now.No one would really admit that they would use bitcoin on dark matter purposes but I'm sure there are still people who would use this for illegal purpose.I know it is really risky and even I would really be scared on doing such thing but there are people who can really afford to do such thing.

Bitcoin users can also be subject to theft, scams, and frauds, which some argue is made easier because of Bitcoin’s structure and lack of regulation. Internet and computer security is extremely weak, while hackers have been getting much more sophisticated, so it would make sense that attacks would rise. So Bitcoin is not completely untrackable. Although there is no name attached to Bitcoin wallets, the wallets themselves, and transactions between wallets, are view-able to the public.

I find myself as a good person and I actually don't like illegal things so that is why I have no intention buying illegal things through the use of my bitcoin.


For now, I think normal bank system is more convenient to use on buying legal things, and also bitcoin is, but only few merchants accept bitcoin as a payment so it will end up hard. And I don't like things getting more complicated!  :)

To me, bitcoin makes the process of transferral of money seamless and more efficient. And in this process the downside to it all is that illegal activities are funded. However one must weigh up on the benefits of this centralised currency that outweigh the disadvantages to determine if it truly is a major issue.

To me, so far I'm just trying to earn bitcoin and then selling it to local currency.
Well.. it's impossible for me to use bitcoin for illegal purposes / dark use purposes, and even seems I do not dare to doing that, to buying anything also with bitcoin is still prohibited in my place.
And I think it's not worth to do, it's smearing the good name of bitcoin that's so special.

A lot of transactions that are happening in this world and even before fiat came out is there are already a lot that involves illegal activities so people should stop stating these issue too often because bitcoin's purpose is not focused on these crap.

I don't think someone here will disclose some facts regarding using bitcoin for illegal purposes, bitcoin is very common in the dark web since anonymity is a thing there and also self security as well. I don't know if a government can trace illegal transactions using bitcoin but if they can it will be very very difficult for them.
I prefer using fiat for legal purchases of goods and services since after spending fiat and some bitcoins are still on hand it will earn profit :)

If you think that bitcoin is anonymous, think again. It's been explained multiple times that it is not the case. There is blockchain that can tracked all your movement. That's why there's mixing services as well, too provide you a layer of protection. And there is chain analysis:

https://www.chainalysis.com/

There is no doubt that bitcoin has been used by criminals to purchase illegal items in the dark web, but I assumed that they are very clever in hiding and maybe using other coins which is more anonymous like Monero, ZCash or even Dash, which makes it more harder for authorities to link and put a name on addresses.

But I guess if you don't deal with criminality with your hard earn bitcoins, you shouldn't be worry at all.

Buying contraband with Bitcoin has become increasingly difficult these days. A lot many of the reliable dark market sites (such as Alphabay) has shut down. Some others have vanished with the money from the users.

Every currency will be used for a mix of good and bad activities.
What's more important is how efficient the currency is at enabling those transactions, and how easy it is for enforcement agencies to do their job.

Buy illegal staff using bitcoin may we do but it is abusing in bitcoin  in cryptocurrency and trying to destroy bitcoin reputation. Maybe it will happen in other person who interested to do crime using bitcoin because they can't traced their transaction have.
There some dark web now get banned and vanish due to abusing bitcoin. Peoples used bitcoin may also controlled them selves  not to do crimes using bitcoin.
But still bitcoin is good it depends upon on the beholder how they used.

i think its in your own if you want to buy something legal or illegal everyone don't care about that you have your own decision what do you want to buy with your bitcoin!

At the moment bitcoin transactions cost a lot, and I believe that this is is bad for bitcoin efficiency for buying anything with bitcoins, legal or illegal.
I agree that every currency will be used for good and bad, but with this fees just rich people and some drug bosses use bitcoin for paying something, why would drug addict pay some drug 5 dollars and fee for that 5 dollars can be double more money.

This may have been true a few years ago, but it definitely isn´t true today.
Several of the big dark net markets have stopped accepting BTC altogether in the recent months!

This is diametrically opposed to what you are claiming. Blockchain analysis companies are getting
more sophisticated by the day in tracking coin movements and linking this to real identities. The dark net users
are increasingly aware of this and therefore have moved on to less known altcoins for that
blockchain analysis companies don´t yet exist. This shift away from BTC has become even more
pronounced due to the rise in transaction fees.

In my opinion this development had to be expected, because why would you want your
drug- or weaponrelated transactions on an immutable, public ledger? It really makes
no sense.

Some people really use Bitcoin on deepweb like buying illegal drugs , Paypal account and Credit card credentials, Hitman and etc.  It is really easy to use it that way because no one can know who you transact with . Like the famous Silk Road Site on the deep web that Fbi shutdowns .

for 1st question, Nope, i don't feel buying illegal stuff using bitcoin, but it is really possible to use bitcoin but such illegal stuff, because no one can trace you your transaction and for the 2nd question, since it's legal stuff, it really up to you what you will use since Bitcoin still a money/ currency, e currency to be exact.

agree, this is a private matter, want to use bitcoin for anything, it's their right, because those who will bear the consequences if dare to abuse bitcoin for things that violate the law

Anyone can use this bitcoin in any way either good or the dark way. Because here we are not traced because we are using anonymous account. And that is a disadvantage.

Can you buy a bank using bitcoin?

If indeed the country has been legalized bitcoin, it's good we aimed the all efforts made only focused on the things that are legal. Anyhow I don't think bitcoin is worth using for the things that smelled illegal. To me personally in the country where I live, although bitcoin is still said not legal completely.. but I personally keep doing things more positively and avoiding things that smelled negatively, criminalized, or illegal activities like for example made into a dark business.

There are people who are using bitcoin for legal stuff but it doesn't change the core issue that bitcoin is in the hands who prefer illegal activities. The dark market which is tor supported which is solely financed through bitcoin. The same is used for more dangerous activities than drugs and arms dealing. Bitcoin is facilitating psychopathic groups which humiliated humanity. Payments are received in bitcoin to watch live abuse and murders. This is the scariest aspect of bitcoin.

In order to buy illegal things it is better to use Fiat. Actually it is a fake that bitcoin is an anonymous currency. There is always the possibility to track the user. These fakes are spreading bankers in order to stop the spread of bitcoin. I'm sorry that there are people who believe in it.

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I have never used Bitcoins to purchase any contraband, but I have heard about guys purchasing ammo and drugs from various dark market sites using Bitcoins, or other anonymous currencies such as Zcash and Monero. Obviously it is better to use Bitcoin when compared to Paypal or Payoneer, due to its anonymity. But the most anonymous form of payment still remain in the form of physical cash.

Bitcoin is like the fuel to the dark market at present believe it or not. It is the sole thing which is making people of dark net untraceable. Obviously this is the reason that most of the govt. also are against the use of bitcoin as it will ignite the black economy side by side. But this surely cannot defy the positive uses of bitcoin.

1. No I haven't used bitcoin in any illegal activity.
2. As per today transaction fees....Banking Sys. seems to be the best now as it comprises fewer fees and instant payment confirmation. On the other hand, Bitcoin takes long confirmation hours and really high transaction fees which is not suitable to buy day to day things.

This is the issue been facing by bitcoin as of now on where it do have high fees and having slower confirmation times which its much more better to use up already traditional banking way.Talking on dark use or illegal stuff then im sure those criminals are switching into altcoin transactions knowing that they do have less fees and fast confirmation which the coin on my mind would be using Monero instead of BTC.

1. no, i never buy an illegal things with or without bitcoin  :-\
i think we're no need bitcoin to buy illegal things, we can buy with cash thoo  ;D
but I do not understand what kind of illegal things for example? *ignore this*
there're to many "good things" that i want to buy with bitcoin. there is no illegal object that I think
2.  with normal bank system, since not many people are familiar with bitcoin. for safe and confortable. and i think never can be replace.. i guess for this time.

I think the bitcoin is a very dynamic currency, a very interesting digital currency. I hope to be in the future bitcoin in legalkan its existence around the world

Due to such thing finally the various government out of no choice might be banning or restricting the cypto currencies in their countries. Thus people of those countries would miss out the opportunity for themselves which this cypto world provides. Many are now employed full time in this cypto business for them it will come as a big blow.

No, I am not used to buy illegal things. As a matter of fact, I have never nor will buy illegal stuff because I do not want to take the risk. Plus, I do not think it will be beneficial for me. I do not want to hire an assassin or buy weapons or drugs. I do not even know how to use a weapon.

Added to that, I would use bitcoin to buy legal things. Honestly, I do not want to use the banks. On the other hand, I want to rely on bitcoin because its value is always increasing. That is all.

i dont have any intention to buy ilegal stuff, its to risky for me and my mental too, because if i trying like that i will more to like that  ;D
and because my country forbid bitcoin i prefer a cash or real money to buy something i desire

Maybe your opinion is correct but for me if a country wants to advance in the economic aspects of the country should imitate the state that legelizes bitcoin as a legitimate purchase / exchange. because in addition as a means of exchange bitcoin can also be made as a good share purchase. already millions of people who prove it

People with different interest will always create problem and there are some who see their business negatively affected
Can used bitcont to their advantage..

Nope. I dont use bitcoin or even fiat currency to buy illegal things, I mainly use my bitcoin for purchasing goods for my business. There are users who use it for their bad deeds but each of us has the right where we want to spend our bitcoin.

Since you are asking for legal things any currency will do. Currently I prefer to use fiat because btc has high transaction fees.

I do hope also that this will be solve soon. And maybe the KYC (Know Your Customer) system can help.

I don't use bitcoin just to by illegal things , from the word illegal , I've been watch so many videos across the internet and suddenly I know what is deep web or the darker web. So they uses bitcoin just the buy anything that is illegal , and then back to the question which is better , I should say from bitcoin to just easier transact , and I used to buy legal things.

Eventhough we can use it on illegal doings, because the transaction was untraceable, I dont feel doing it, first Bitcoin is not created to used for illegal transaction. As per payment, or buying legal things. It is still prefer to use normal banking system or money (real cash) because bitcoin  is not yet accepted for payment here in my country

When we say illegal, it is against the law, defying the law will resort to jail if you are caught by the authorities. This is one of the reasons why some governments banned bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies in their countries for fear that somebody might use the virtual currency to do some illegal activities that may affect their national security and economy.
When buying some products through online, I prefer to use bitcoin first, and fiat if bitcoin is not accepted as payment.

I never used bitcoin for illegal things that is why some other people do not like bitcoin because they think it is bad and it is illegal don't make a bad image on bitcoin, well basically I used my bitcoin for my daily needs.

1. Yes i am using bitcoin but not for illegal stuff.
2. It depends but in future digital currencies will take over hole word.   

It is good for the cypto world if people use it only for the legitimate purpose else if many people start using this for wrong reasons than country will start imposing the ban and also the culprits would definitely come under the provision of the law of their respective country and would be dealt accordingly. But this would effect to rest of the people who want to use it for their personal or business purpose and want to make the best use of this technology.

People are entirely different on how they would engage into things specially on bitcoin which we cant really avoid that there are people who do make use it on illegal stuffs how much more that bitcoin is really an anonymous stuff doing illegal things would be more lot simple compared on using fiat itself. Doing illegal stuff even not on bitcoin is already a big no for me. I would rather choose up to live on scarce rather than on doing those things. Local fiat would still remain no matter what and bitcoin is just an another good alternative.

I haven't bought any illegal stuffs using bitcoins or any other banking system and for the second question, I think if it's the legal stuff then it doesn't matter if you are using bitcoins or normal banking system.

I'm not using bitcoin for some illegal stuffs , and I don't want , we all know that bitcoin can either use for good things and for bad things , it depend on a person on how he/she will use the bitcoin. And to the second question just like I said it can be both buying legal stuffs by bitcoin it can possible if , if it's legal on your country.

Of course no one will self admit that they are using bitcoin for illegal means like purchasing drugs or even worse funding terrorist activities. But all we are fun loving, just trying to earn bitcoins in our own little way. But for those who thinks that they can get away with it, you are wrong. Sooner or later the authorities will caught you through blockchain analysis.

I'm been lucky enough that I'm living in a country where bitcoin is totally acceptable by the government. I can freely buy/trade/invest on cryptos and I would not take advantage of it.

  For illegal transactions, in my opinion, bitcoin does not fit, in such situations is much better suited - ZCash, Monero.

The use of bitcoin in the future can compromise your address.

Cryptocurrency can use in any form of illegal activities this is one of the reason why governments are trying to regulate or even banning crytocurrency. If you want to use your holdings into illegal things, then better to be more careful cause you will surely suffer for that on the right time. I will not use all of my coins to buy for the things that can ruin my life, its your choice to do so

If we refer to normal things the normal change is apt to what is apt in suitable appropriate to what things to exchange. Using bitcoin in normal things that bitcoin wasn't allowed to exchange why not use bitcoin. If it is normal ways of living in one place it is appropriate to use but if not don't use to nothing lose.

Bitcoin becomes very useful for criminals who want to hide the money from their crimes. Because if they save money in the bank, the money from the crime can be easily traced. Bitcoin can also be abused by people who want to hide their income from government, and avoid paying taxes. Then, the state revenue from the tax will be lost because of the money that is not tracked. Not only in the criminal acts alone, the most basic lack of Bitcoin also occurs because of its unreal form.

That’s a sensitive issue, we all know that illegal stuff can be purchased via bitcoins in some places of the web, but I am noticing that many legal activities are opening to bitcoin world, and that will (I hope) breaks the “illegal veil” that many people have about bitcoin and cryptos.
I see every day new websites that accepts Bitcoin as payment or simple donation, that’s a huge advance imho

The analysis concluded that bitcoin will remain a main dark web payment method,but it will have a smaller market share.Litecoin and Dash will join bitcoin as an everyday payment method.

I never use bitcoin to transact, I think everyone is the same, do not use it.
Do you mean illegal stuff?

actually, I only use bitcoin to withdraw to my local fiat so I can use the money to buy what I want or just to fill my daily needs and I think it is not illegal things for me. I think I still prefer to use bitcoin as a payment system than the other payment system like paypal because I have experience with paypal but sometimes I like to use paypal for buying something.

If you want to buy illegal things, nothing can stop you and you can use anything either BTC or fiat. But the question is, which is much safer?. Bitcoin is anonymous. Is this good ? No, not 100% because if you transfer the payment to someones wallet, the wallet store it on its memory. If you convert it into cash like withdrawing on banks, you cannot trace the history but the cops will caught you on act. So whats the best option ? Dont do any illegal things.

never, because  when illegal things buy, it will support crime.bitcoin is not illegal in my country then I bought bitcoin.

Bitcoin becomes very useful for criminals who want to hide the money from their crimes. Because if they save money in the bank, the money from the crime can be easily traced. Bitcoin can also be abused by people who want to hide their income from government, and avoid paying taxes. Then, the state revenue from the tax will be lost because of the money that is not tracked. Not only in the criminal acts alone, the most basic lack of Bitcoin also occurs because of its unreal form.

Using bitcoin to buy illegal things is so dangerous and the government can easily traced and penalized your wrong doing.

What do you mean in ''of its unreal form''? its a payment method and how can it be physical,despite the fact that bitcoin already exists as a physical coin and you can buy it in the marketplace.So what you said is nonsense,I have to say it several times,Can you imagine how many criminal acts are in the world every year? and the most usable for this is real cash and not bitcoin,in another situation if criminals use bitcoin it will be the easiest for police to catch them,anyway your opinion is groundless.Once and finally its a poor rumour which is used from bitcoin and blockchain technology haters.

That is one of the disadvantage but we cannot eliminate those crimes although we don't have bitcoin or cryptocurrency now, we cannot stop them or avoid them. So, it is not still the disadvantage as it has nothing with do with bitcoin, they are just using bitcoin now so they can hide freely.

Many people go to computers to get jobs, earn money, invest and do other things and not for negative use, maybe some of these bad guys are eager to commit their crimes, where they have learned to use and use bitcoin. for their crimes This may be one reason why other countries forbid bitcoin. And sooner or later, if the government will make all these illegal transactions using bitcoins, it may be possible to ban them around the world. Of course not, I use bitcoin for a good purpose. But I have read the article and or discuss about bitcoin used in illegal things, such as buying drugs, playing illegal games, purchasing unlicensed armor and others. It is a disappointment for anyone who uses bitcoin for a good cause.

I think if we want to use bitcoin for illegal things then we can find many ways and maybe we can mention every illegal thing that we know. and I think in out there, there are many people which using bitcoin for illegal things like for buy bitcoin from the corruption money, buy a weapon with bitcoin, buy drug with bitcoin and else. but I am sure that there will be many people which using bitcoin for a good purpose and they still use until now and they don't want to use bitcoin for illegal things.

every thing has some pros and cons.so yeah bitcoin has some dark side like if anyone want he can buy illegal stuff to use bitcoin and  there have some more darkside of bitcoin.

Bitcoin use is the same with that of other currency of the world. Bitcoin can be use for both legal and illegal stuff as you rightly mentioned above but as for me, i don't use Bitcoin illegal activities and i don't encourage that act as it will portrays bad name for Bitcoin and crypto currency in general.

It is possible to use bitcoin on illegalities the same with fiat. I am done with being something stupid and rebellious and now living silently as a good citizen. You can use fiat or bitcoin online, it depends on you. Bitcoin seems faster and convenient so I like it.

No! Not at all! I use Bitcoin only for positive things for my future. I use Bitcoin only as an investment asset and because Bitcoin has helped my family's economy a lot. So I also make Bitcoin my main job. I think if anyone uses Bitcoin with a negative thing, surely he will not tell.

First of all, Bitcoin as a type of currency can be used for good or evil, there is not any difference between it and paper money. Paper money is used nowadays to buy and sell illegal weapons, drugs, and etc. Bitcoin is not the only cryptocurrencie. In fact, I believe the most used crypto for dark stuff is Monero, for it can't be traceable. Monero is also the most used currency on the deep web, which, as you should know, contains the wide illegal activity on the web (the clear web only disposes of minor crimes, to be honest). Now, as a new method of payment, of course, it can imply illegal actions, but it is not different from paper money, or, for instance, diamond illegal traffic, and a long etc.
Regarding your mean question (if anybody here has used BTC for illegal activities), well, I don't see a panorama where people here are going to confess to you such information, by obvious reasons.
Nevertheless, since the beginning cryptocoins (monero the most) has been used for dark activities, but do not forget every day paper money is used for this as well. Euro, Yuang, Dollar... they are daily the protagonists of war, illegal trading, slave traffic...
Where there is money, there is cruelty, for where there is humanity there is as well, cruelty.

You can buy legal and illegal stuff with FIAT money as well , its not just bitcoin like those conman telling us

There are even people asking for ransom and threats against those who are crank calling people telling them if they do not pay their taxes to the government they will be thrown in jail and are now asking it to be paid in bitcoin.

So these fraudsters are using it to commit their crimes in this manner differently from what they were asking their victims how to pay last year in this scam attempt to do with unpaid taxes.

Many possibilities that bitcoin can do it also belong to currencies and we know that the most powerful thing on earth is fiat, illegal activities from gambling it also possible to happen. That's the reason for some countries refuse bitcoin to their place instead of embracing it.
Hopefully, people don't try this rebellion activity in your country that may destroy the image of bitcoin.

i would never use bitcoin for anything questionable. you simply don't know how good law enforcement is these days and i'm not interested in anything questionable or good enough at keeping my anonymity up.

i'm kinda surprised bitcoin is still used at all when stuff like monero is now big enough to support a decent amount of commerce.

There is already a shift going on to coins focused purely on providing anonymity, but it's a slow process. The thing is that the general public still has the impression that Bitcoin is an anonymous digital currency.

As long as people keep thinking that, and thus remain ignorant, Bitcoin will be their first choice for many more years. Monero has been around for quite a while now, and it's still lagging behind.

I actually expected Monero to do better in terms of adoption, but it's struggling to firmly position itself in the upper regions of this market. It's a coin providing actual usefulness, which is something 95% of the coins don't do.

surely dark market adoption is down what the drug dealers dictate. if they refuse to take bitcoin then buyers have no choice but to go buy some monero. if i were in that line of work there's no way i'd be touching bitcoin any more. you simply don't know who's watching and their ability to figure things out.

Silk Road was the first real use case of Bitcoin. It was mainly a market pace for selling illegal stuff. Anyway, today there are even "normal" merchants accepting bitcoin, althoguh with the higher transaction costs the number of these merchants decreases.

I agree with you that is one of the main reason too that some investors does not want bitcoin to come into their country as illegal transaction took place with it, which we really understood it as this is really not only for them but for all the people in their country.

Don't be afraid of the negative effect that would happen in bitcoin as it won't  happen, if it does then it should be dead years from now but as we all know it is not, indeed the demand continues to rise despite the negative vibes that was happening from different country.

There is a dark use of Bitcoin in some illegal activities like selling of drugs, money laundering etc. So we can’t state that Bitcoin is used in a hygienic way only. The reason behind the dark use of Bitcoin is anonymous transaction which can’t be traced.

   In principle, the issue of the legal use of bitcoin is not correct, bitcoin is not recognized as a means of payment in no country, manipulation of it in the calculations is a dark business, no matter what you buy.
   It is also important to understand that illegal things can be bought for ordinary money, what is most often done.

This is a bit stupid to buy illegal stuff with Bitcoin
BTC isn't the most secure currency
DASH, for example, is more convenient for that, level of security is much higher
(never bought illegal stuff btw)

for this moment it is still more convenient to buy things via fiat, but I beleive in near future it will be much more comfortable to use cryptocurrencies

I do not use Bitcoin at all in that way. I use Bitcoin as an investment asset and online transaction only.

It wasn't possible to use bitcoin in illegal purposes most frequently those people in the world that wants to revenge. Bitcoin value every year increases. Money value is stable and always renewed to maintain the texture and value. It is easier to use bitcoin coz it is more valuable than fiat. I am not terrorist but I think terrorist have a lot of ways to let their plan be happen. I hope that it will stop coz money is not easy to earn.

People are involved in illegal activities with or without Bitcoins. And at this point, Bitcoin doesn't give thieves any guarantee of success. I can tell you transactions are traceable. And I can even say any new regulations aren't needed to take criminals. In Brazil, federal police discovered a scheme involving misappropriation of money which used Bitcoins. And there isn't any regulation in the country focused in Bitcoins and Crypto-Currency.

Bitcoin was used for bad purposes at the time of its first outing, and it may still be ongoing. So; Bitcoin needed, Bitcoin needed a solution. Knife makers can not predict the purpose of the blade. A knife can be used to cut bread or kill a man.

never used bitcoin to buy illegal stuff but i think there are more convenient coint to do it
bitcoin isn't enough anonymous and secure to make illegal transactions, just a humble opinion

We cannot control people about it, there are really people who are not contented with what dot they have in their life and wanted to have a perfect life and they don't care where it came from, whats important for them is that they can buy all stuffs that they want.

It's already happening in a various places, now the advantages of bitcoin itself., can be used for a various activities, which's not feasible. It's good if we really to be a self conscious on the activities we've done so far, and make sure it's to keep the good name of bitcoin when viewed by the our government.

When you have a choice to pay with Bitcoin or to pay with fiat money - choose BTC if possible

I personally have never done dark use of bitcoin but I think bitcoin has been more popular just because bitcoin is untraceable in case of illegal usage. This is actually what has made bitcoin that popular. After the creation of internet the global dark market was developed a lot. People wanted to trade gloablly but never wanted to show their identity. For this bitcoin became the best tool. So i think bitcoin is popular because of its dark use only. Legal transactions are still made mostly using normal banking channels only.

The use of bitcoin to buy things in darknet defame the very essence of its creation. It was created with the goal of uniting people and being a universal legal means of payment.

I really think that bitcoin can be used in an illegal way. Maybe big crime groups are using cryptocurrency to move their funds since it is really more convenient for them. They can send big amount of money without even getting traced by the authorities. Bitcoin can be used legally or illegally.

Even without bitcoin, we cannot avoid illegal activities, so don't worry much about it as we cannot really eliminate the crimes, let the government  do this part of this one and banning cryptocurrency is not the key to minimize crimes, criminals will do anything for them to commit crimes.

Anything can be done with currencies. It can be either fiat's or crypto. When you have currency any thing can be bought legally as well as illegally. I am sure you know this.  You would get the same answer. It depends on how you use it.  Block money can be turned into white money when buying things legally with documents. Better try to move in right direction which will lost long.

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First the authorities need to check why the people are using dark markets so much. When a particular drug costs $100 per dozen in one country and $2 per dozen in some other country, then obviously those in the former country will try to get them from somewhere else. Note: I am talking about legal drugs.

I'm very sure there are some people who use Bitcoin for negative things. But if for me personally, I do not use Bitcoin for that matter. I use Bitcoin for positive things like I make investment assets or even a transaction tool.

the problem is that the same things some people use in positive things and other people use them in a negative way, (https://www.misbolsosonline.es/carteras-hombre-31) but this has always happened with all things and will continue to happen, (https://www.misbolsosonline.es/tocados-34) before these people can not do anything

On the other hand, also see the underlying assets of bitcoin is not clear, unlike the official currency issued by the central bank. Not to mention digital currency is often used as a medium of dark transactions such as corruption funds, drugs, gambling, and prostitution.

We don't really those things, but we are sure about the data because of the blockchain that we are using that was really transparent. The dark use of bitcoin that I am seeing is that in the future there will scarcity in the money that is why the government will have no choice but to seek help in the cryptocurrency.

the potential for bitcoin fraud is used for unlawful acts such as terrorism, money laundering, prostitution and drug trafficking. Indeed, there are some investors who use bitcoin as an investment tool. Some countries react differently to the presence of bitcoin. China and Russia are some countries that reject the presence of bitcoin. Meanwhile, Japan accepts bitcoin transactions

Misuse of bitcoin is what is threatening many countries government because no one would like something which can ruin their people or it has side effects on their economy. Thus few countries are strict on busing such which cannot be easily traced or reached to the culprit.

Please think of it like a knife. So, knife is a tool that makes life easier. but people can be killed with it.
I think this is on the dark use of bitcoin.

I often go to the deep web and browse some drug sites like silk road and they make payments with bitcoin. Maybe because the bitcoins are not traceable, it makes it easier for people to do illegal things like drugs, illegal weapons, and others. Therefore bitcoin is widely used for illegal purposes because it seems impossible for ordinary people to buy something with bitcoin at least for now.

Four primary areas of criminal activity lend themselves to cryptocurrency: tax evasion, money laundering, contraband transactions, and extortion – not to mention the theft of cryptocurrency itself, which is all too easy with Bitcoin.

1/ No i don't use Bitcoin to buy illegal stuffs because that's violated the laws which could easily bring me to jail and i don't want to lose my freedom.
2/ I think it's depending on which stuffs you're buying, if you're looking for legal stuffs so i think it should be fit with paypal or fiats more than Bitcoins because they will support you the method payment.

Things like this can destroy the good name of Bitcoin. If more and more people are using Bitcoin in negative ways, Bitcoin's reputation can be ruined and people who do not believe in Bitcoin will hate it even more. We recommend using Bitcoin in a positive way. Please do not blame Bitcoin for doing this for the common good.

Bitcoin may be anonymous, but once you convert your coins to fiat, that anonymity is lost. Also, when you purchase something from the deep web with Bitcoin, you will be giving your shipping address to the vendor. That can be traced back to you.

The use of this dark Bitcoin can cause the development of Bitcoin to be bad. Bitcoin names can be ugly all over the World. This is not very good for Bitcoin's future. And if this is not prevented, I'm sure Bitcoin cannot last long. So let's use Bitcoin for more positive and useful things.

What you said doesn't make sense... Isn't cash/fiat used for bad things just as much as Bitcoin (or even more)? This doesn't even come close to being the cause of Bitcoin dying...

Me - I have never used bitcoin for some illegal transactions, but heard that some people do buy drugs with the usage of bitcoin

Since bitcoin entered our community and society many people though of ways to make transactions illegal, just like buying illegal drugs, making bribe for government officials which we cannot control, but the thing is that although we don't have bitcoin we cannot eliminate crimes.

i am not used to buy illegal stuff, i agree with you its  up to you what kind of money fiat or crypto you can use it to buy any legal or illegal things or services, in my opinion i would rather use fiat money on buy legal things and paying everything in our daily lives, Buying illegal things like drugs, weapons, illegal services these are the things the i won't do, there are also chance that you might caught and that is the end of you.

I do not use Bitcoin at all in the dark. I use Bitcoin just naturally like I use in investment assets and online payment tools. I do not want to make the name Bitcoin so bad and will have an impact on its development.

If I try to imagine myself that I am in the situation of doing trading some illegal drugs that can be paid by bitcoin. I think it is not safe by doing that for it is illegal then bitcoin can be counterfeit the original image and they can possibly make it as payment. Same with money but the most harder that not acceptable is cryptocurrency as payment.

People can really attempt to do it, I don't that the reason is the poverty that is why they are doing bad things as there are lot of opportunities out there, they are just lazy enough to explore things, what they just want is to have an easy money, they don't care what will happen to the affected person that pays as a consequence with their moves.

I can't  understand why do people say that bitcoin is the greatest threat to our safety...Today cash(and credit cards on the web) is the dominant payment method that is used in society,So if you use your money carefully there will not be intermediaries and you will do everything what you want by your cash,At the same time,when we are talking about the dark side of bitcoin we must notice that this coin is not anonymous to the same level as cash is...Bitcoin is just an idea behind the cryptography and we mustn't see unreal problems in it...In additional when we are talking about decentralization and when people consider bitcoin as a criminal tool they must take into account that bitcoin is anonymous only for ungrounded interferences and intermediaries.

All of them could be used as a tool for committing illegal activities and there is no way to totally eliminate them all that is why it is up to although with or without bitcoin, crimes will be anywhere and we cannot avoid it to happen.

It may be used as a tool for committing illegal activities but I told that investigations for investigative authorities may be easier than in another situation...Why? People blindly say that bitcoin is perfectly anonymous but they don't know that bitcoin adresses are hashes of public keys,we don't use our real names but we use pseudo names,We use our  public key hash as our identity,So linking a Bitcoin address to a real-world identity is easy for special,investigative authorities and for them who know computer sience.Especially,All we know that majority of exchanges ask for our identificial information,For example card number,driving licence,etc...Anyway pseudoanonymous doesn't mean full anonymous,because of one simple reason it can be deanonymized by other people. But for me its not the greatest threat to decentralization,because we need balance between public security and other rights...

Yeah in term of traceability crypto currency can easily be traced it is in the cyber world money  trail can easily be traced unlike paper money that is not run through computer system and easily be faked. If I were a criminal  I will hesitate to use crypto currency because it traceable.

It's already said in a report that it is just less than 1% of bitcoin used for illegal crimes. I'm a huge supporter of bitcoin so I won't use it in anything that is prohibited by law like drugs.

Why would anyone with sane mind would use Bitcoin for legal payments. Either use any other reasonably efficient currency like ETH or XRP. Effect of proof of Work on BTC is very hard . It may be usable when lightning network comes inaction

I think everybody should use legal everything but sometimes we can have some problems for legal situtations. then maybe we can use illegal things..

Wtf?  Proof of Work enables the security of the network, this doesn't refer to the backlog of transactions on the network at all.  I actually thought you were about to say just use Venmo, Paypal, Visa, Etc; which would make sense, but using Eth, which is a dApp token doesn't make any sense and still can't really understand why it is being used as a currency like Bitcoin.

Same here, I will never use bitcoin for illegal transaction because I don't want to stain the name of it. Doing this kind of actions is one of the reason why the government and other people don't trust bitcoin because they think that people will use bitcoin as a tool in bad things and with the anonymity of bitcoin is hard to track who is the person doing it.

If I am not wrong, many of the dark markets are moving away from Bitcoin and the TOR browser. They are using other anonymous modes of payment and non-TOR browsers. So there is no point in arguing that there is a link between Bitcoin and drugs trade.

I don't participate in any for of shady business with the use of bitcoin or any other crypto currency in general. The use of bitcoin and other crypto currency should be discourage in totality as it's negative on bitcoin and crypto currency is enormous. 

Bitcoin becomes very useful for criminals who want to hide the money from their crimes. Because if they save money in the bank, the money from the crime can be easily traced. Bitcoin can also be abused by people who want to hide their income from government, and avoid paying taxes.

Just like any other money, bitcoin can be used to buy anything you want. Personally I don,t use bitcoin to paid or access bad thing and I hope other bitcoiner would emulate that. Individual need would determine what they use their bitcoin for and nothing more.

I see here people are concentrated on bad and negative sides of it,They never say how  can it reduce corruption and regulatory capture...Today in my country there are too many institutional sectors which use blockchain for their institutional purposes,At the same time people have already realized  what the blockchain and consensus system can do,There are too many sectors in the digital realm with this new inventions,especially in economical,social and in independent Politician structures,because they know how it can improve the decentralization of centralized administrators,They use it to achieve success and not for criminal.

I think bitcoin most liquid cryptocurrency and most popular, so it is the main reason why bitcoin so attractive for criminals in comparison with other cryptocurrencies which more untraceable

That's absolutely right! There is a lot of people who use bitcoin in a shady activites and most of them doing fraud bussnies in the darknet, In this web, people cannot be trarcked by anyone as they have a dynamic IP address, Also with regards of deals, they use bitcoin, because it's untracked and people being anonymous if they use bitcoin to pay some kind of services.

I do not use Bitcoin in dark and negative. I do not use Bitcoin as an illegal staff or anything worse. Yes, indeed Bitcoin can be misused for things that are illegal and money laundering. But I use Bitcoin as an investment asset, a transaction tool, and even my daily work. Everything I do in Bitcoin is very positive.

ı think it is simply legal to buy illegal stuff. the statement described itself already. any kind of payment used to pay for illegal assets and products is already defined as illegal activity

So then what... just simply don't use Bitcoin?  What you are proposing is for Bitcoin to be a speculative, profit generating, speculation ponzi scheme game; which sadly it already kinda is.  What gives Bitcoin value is the fact that it can be used as a currency that doesn't require third parties to verify the legitimacy of those funds over the Internet.

To prove my point.  Hey, hey hey.... would you want to convert any of your holdings into Bitconnect?

https://youtu.be/lCcwn6bGUtU

yeah probably not.  ::)

That is what everyone has to say in order to support bitcoin's role in creating darknet. Bitcoin is  not an exception to this, I agree, but I don't agree with you on the point that money is  the root cause of all the evils. It depends  and varies from person to person. It s again a subjective matter and cannot be standardized. There are people who do not commit any fraud either by using bitcoin or fiat. So its a matter of perspectives.

I think that there are more cases reported in the crypto market (if we go by the proportionate ratio), than the normal currency market of any of the country. Crypto market is characterized by its anonymity and this leads to ever increasing number of these illegal transactions.

There are so many different ways to buy illegal stuff.  Using bitcoin as one of them would be so much risky because there is a huge possibility that it might be a scam. Better use normal cash.

I use bitcoin for good activities and do not break the law. such as trading with payment method using digital currency, trading coin. there are still many people who abuse digital currency for crimes such as corruption, money laundering.

I use bitcoin and altcoin for positive activities. especially to increase income every month. this technology is very helpful to reduce unemployment in all countries. I am greatly helped by the existence of digital currency, because my financial activities become more simple and easy.

To make regular payments, the banking system is more convenient at the moment.
Bitcoin is more suitable for the accumulation and transfer of capital.

In additional,I don't understand why cryptocurrencies attract critcism for wasting electricity,because usually people use more environmentally-friendly power sources such as hydroelectric and solar power,but if it wasn't true,even there'd no problems,because electricity can't be wasted,We just convert it to another material which we need more than electicity in concrete situation, today...I don't say that there are no problems but they will be solved,as I said by more environmentally-friendly power sources,So I just want to say that we often listen criticism which may be solved and they just use this to manipulate people,therefore market prices...

It was the appearance of Bitcoin that made possible the emergence of black markets trading in banned goods online, 24 hours a day, around the world. But, as it turned out, the law enforcement agencies were well prepared for a new challenge. After several high-profile arrests of owners and customers of these resources, most of the most famous black markets were closed.

Pretty sure black markets existed before bitcoin.
Even ebay and yahoo auctions used to have some pretty crazy stuff back in the better days.

In my opinion. very stupid if using bitcoin / altcoin for criminal acts. bitcoin / altcoin can change everyone's life for the better and can overcome unemployment problems. so it is regrettable if we can not use digital currency for positive activities.

Some items can't be bought by paper money since it has potential when this dealers is caught by the police there will be 105 chance that your name is on the list of the buyer of illegal items, some you can buy it since your age is under 18 so some use it to enter some adult site to buy membership using Bitcoin and they will not be trace.

I do not use Bitcoin in such a thing. I use Bitcoin in a very positive way for my life as well as Bitcoin. I use Bitcoin as an investment asset and as my daily job. Bitcoin can indeed be used in illegal terms because transacting with Bitcoin is very transparent. But better as a good Bitcoiner we have to keep the good name of Bitcoin to keep Bitcoin trusted by everyone.

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Bitcoin is a currency and it must be seen and regarded as such. Whatever the case might be, you will get some abusers who always use currencies either fiat or cryptocurrencies for illegal dealings. This is not an issue particular with Bitcoin or cryptocurrency alone. Even the USD is used in the trading of hard drugs.
It is all about the character and ambition of the person holding the currency. Bitcoin was created to enhance finance transaction by serving as a medium of exchange between entities involved in a trade.

Bitcoin is widely known for it great innovation, its capacity to change the world and those transactions that is now accepting bitcoin, I don't see any dark use of it aside from some people would take advantage of it since transactions is anonymous and we don't know maybe it is widely circulating in the world already.

I have never bought and are not going to, besides, normal people can use cash. In addition, bitcoin is also being monitored without any problems.

Every currency will be used for a mix of good and bad activities.
What's more important is how efficient the currency is at enabling those transactions, and how easy it is for enforcement agencies to do their job.
As one of my old bosses at Ripple used to say: “you want everybody - normal people, criminals - on the same phone network so you have one place to check. You don't criminals operating on a private network the regulators don't even know about.”
Bitcoin is used for good and bad transactions. But it's not very efficient at either.

Imho, the best way to buy illegal stuff is using cash.







Pls do not buy illegal stuff  ;D

I never used bitcoin for illegal things that is why some other people do not like bitcoin because they think it is bad and it is illegal don't make a bad image on bitcoin, well basically I used my bitcoin for my daily needs.

I believe whatever it is a cryptocurrency or fiat money maybe, you can do whatever you want with it.It's up to the person if he uses it in a legal or illegal  way and he is liable with his/her action.Yes we might be tempted to use it in an illegal way but once done,I am sure that they'll regret it in the end.

Buying illegal stuff using your bitcoin is possible but I never experienced using it all I do with my bitcoin is for legal transactions, We bitcoin holders should know much better that it is very wrong using it for illegal purposes that is why some places and some governments against bitcoin because of that bad motives for using it.

I think other users don't care about that and besides we don't know what other people do what with bitcoin. why we judge too much? after all people come and adopt bitcoin because they want a freedom in doing transaction and decentralization makes it perfect? bitcoin offers freedom in finance right?

A large number of domestic media exposes many dark some illegal trading, including drugs, smuggling, trafficking, arms, money laundering, etc., you can think of any illegal trading, can be in the dark to find online plain code marks a price. Here, these grey economies have two modes of payment, the first one is bitcoin, the second payment method is a very important hard currency for illegal transactions, and that is the lego toy.

All your questions are right, yes we have a freedom to do anything to our bitcoin but it depends on which country you are.
Being decentralized bitcoin we can still be used it even do it is prohibited in your country there are many ways we have to use.
Transferring your bitcoin to other countries with the help of your relative will mostly do if bitcoin banned their place.

I don't understand on why you are asking about Bitcoin to be use in illegal things but to tell you straightly i was not involve in illegal activities therefore for me it can't be use in illegal things then no illegal establishment that will directly to accept Bitcoin as form of payment therefore cash will be the most common way of paying illegal staff but if they will have an special agreement to pay in Bitcoin then this will be possible too.

maybe he wants to know what our purposes for using bitcoin so he asks like that. I think many of us using bitcoin for any purposes since bitcoin cannot be a track for the transaction and we don't know who is the owner of each wallet. but I guess people using bitcoin because they want to make money from bitcoin and it attracts many people to join bitcoin and they are trying to earn more bitcoin. I realize that maybe in out there, there are people which using bitcoin for the illegal thing because they can feel safe for use bitcoin for anything they want.

Domestic media where? US? China? Global media is equally guilty, but they are just feeding on misinformation. "Grey economies" have always been a lot more sophisticated than just providing two modes of payments, my friend. Some people might have experimented with Bitcoin in the past, but the most significant enforcement successed have been directly attributed to the use of Bitcoin - so anyone thinking they can use it to hide their tracks was and is severely mistaken.

Bitcoin's mistaken legacy with illegal use was always overblown, and proven at least since 2016 to be untrue. No one talks about how ETH is the preferred crypto for illegal use. No one will admit the USD has always been and will always be the choice currency for illegal use.

What a shame to avail bitcoin for illegal purposes. Well, we have our own rights to do whatever we think good and pleasing to our souls. But we should remember that we live once so why kill some lives of innocent? Everyone have its own family that we love. Much better to use bitcoin money to family than to use it for illegal uses.

Do you really think that someone will confess here that they buy illegal things and services with crypto currencies? It is ridicules! 

To use bitcoin for illegal uses is not the right thing to do even though everyone have its own rights to do what we want to however in every bad deeds have an equal law and justice.

We can buy both legal and illegal stuff with Bitcoin. As we know Bitcoin is the decentralized form of curreny, Bitcoin is an international digital currency but it is still considered as “Money”. It is just a matter of who will going to use the money though and we all know the saying 'Money is the root of all evil' so meaning it is evil but if you use it in a good way then it is not.

I hope people won't be so interested in the dark use of BTC soon.

Those people that are still using bitcoin on the dark net are only going to get in prison sooner. When regulations are imposed everywhere in many countries, expect to authorities to do strict surveillance on these type of crimes to catch these people.

Catching these people has never become easy. Black market already existed long before bitcoin exist. These people are even using fiat currency to sell or buy in every transactions made, but what happened? they continue to exist right? How much more when bitcoin was designed to be decentralized and anonymous, this could make them do business easily. Still, i dont find any difference between using fiat currency or bitcoin in black market because either way it could be difficult to track these people down.

You can use bitcoin as you use the currency of your country. It may be legal or illegal. It depends on your honesty.

I don't think that it would be wise to purchase anything illegal for bitcoin. Especially if these specific illegal businesses can potentially steal all your BTC/ETH

I personally use Bitcoin, not for negative things as you say. I use Bitcoin for positive things like making Bitcoin my investment asset as well as my daily work. I could not possibly use Bitcoin to do such a thing that would eventually destroy Bitcoin.

Every work is created for good. Many people use it in a bad way. Some people accept it in different ways. But the work is not bad at all. Bitcoin is a good project too. But there are some unscrupulous people who use Bitcoin at the worst side. Many of them think Bitcoin is bad because of them. I think there is nothing bad in it. This is an investment project. So I think it is best not to believe in these words.

We can trade anything with a money. May it be good or bad things. And this can be in a form of fiat or bitcoin. So everything depends on the "values" of the owner. And I never intend to use my earnings for illegal

Criminality existed long before Bitcoin and will continue to use new technologies to their advantage, write in the report. Bitkoin himself has little to do with this.

Using bitcoin to buy illegal things is so dangerous and the government can easily traced and penalized your wrong doing.

Bitcoin can be used to buy things electronically. In that sense, it’s like conventional dollars, euros, or yen, which are also traded digitally.However, bitcoin’s most important characteristic, and the thing that makes it different to conventional money, is that it is decentralized.

There is and will always be used in illegal transaction somewhere in this world. We cannot easily stop them from doing these things as we are not holding their conscience. Bitcoin is anonymous and easy, which means its a favorite among criminals, that's the sure thing we can consider.

I haven't used Bitcoin to purchase any illegal stuff. To my good knowledge, everything I have used my Bitcoins for are legal except that my country has not officially declared Bitcoin a legal tender or not
To your second question, Bitcoin can be used for any from of transaction and so I think it can be used to buy things in the same way as the fiat is used.

Dark markets exit everywhere and existed way before Bitcoin. Everything new is challenged with this issue whether is money, gold or whatever. But because Bitcoin and altcoins are based on decentralized systems its more attractive to money laundering is what many people think but dark markets have always existed and its just another pretext used to impose regulatory restrictions.

Even paper money can be used to buy illegal stuffs, therefore, there is no doubt that bitcoin which is a digital currency would be used to buy illegal stuff, especially when transacting with bitcoin, the payment can not be traced.

It seems like you want to do something illegal. If i were you i wouldnt do it. I never used bitcoin for illegal purposes and take it for granted because you are anonymous in it. Remember that to make it work, you should have a third party to make some payment or withdraw. That is traceable by law.

Bitcoin can always be prone for this matter mate, so we couldn't prevent this actually and all we need to look at was the anonymous character of digital currency. But one thing for this that it can be traced even though the activity was so deep regarding blockchain transactions, because the wallet address towards the recipient is having transparency with blockchain network history. This dark activities will be more difficult if ever the system will be improved much better in the future.

I think we don't have to use bitcoin for illegal things and it is better to play safe with bitcoin and only use bitcoin for good things. with this, we can give a good support with bitcoin and people is not just know that bitcoin is not only for illegal things but bitcoin can also use to be legal things. it depends on what that people want to do with their bitcoin. I am sure that there are many people using their bitcoin for the legal thing and they will stay away with the illegal thing because they don't want to break any law.

Bitcoin is for everyone. Even if you want legal or illegal buying you can do in here bitcoin. I honestly don't want to try or to do some transactions with illegal use of bitcoin. It is our responsibility to use bitcoin in a safest way and most legal way. We need to make it clean because governments will make it as opening if they know that we do some illegal way of using it.

I have not yet had time to spend my bitcoins on the purchase of any items.  But I will only buy legitimate goods.

I had never bought anything with Bitcoin, especially on shady sites. This is a direct threat to your wallet and crypt. I consider such purchases foolish, even if I buy for a currency from a card.

Why we need to buy bitcoins on the shady sites when we have lots of exchanges and the sites like localbitcoins and coinbase exchange.I never buy bitcoin from people or other sites other than exchange and localbitcoins.But people accusing that bitcoin were used for darkusage that is absolutely wrong because most of the people were trading the bitcoin.

Good answer, it is better to think about a reliable future, and even to bear it. And do not risk everyone to buy a little cheaper or illegally.

You are right most people are using bitcoin in a good way but we cannot avoid others to use it in a bad way because its anonymous and tracing the owners will be really hard. So we cannot really prevent bad people from using bitcoin with their illegal activities.

Sad reality but get used to it because people do have different mindsets which means they dont even care on what you have mentioned or talk here about concern for other lives or even have a reliable future as long they do able to make money by means of illegal things then other people or other things wont really be on their concern. We do know or accept the fact that earning money thru illegal things is way more faster and bigger compared into legal ways.

People use bitcoins to buy both legal and illegal staffs.Anyway this is not very different from fiat currency because it is also used for similar purposes.
i will not intend to use bitcoin for illegal transactions. We need bitcoin"s good reputation for its popularity, its rather unfortunate some people do not think the same.

You can buy legal and illegal stuff with your own paper moneys/Fiat moneys and it is the same with Bitcoin as it is not an exemption to the rule of money, as long as you can spend valuable things in exchange of other things whether it is good or bad. It is just a matter of who will gonna use the money though and we all know the saying 'Money is the root of all evil' so meaning it is evil but if you use it in a good way then it is not. It just happened that Bitcoin is an international digital currency but it is still 'Money

No, I don't and will never do that as it's against the law. Well, I do not know if your motives for asking these questions is to gather pieces of information or fresh ideas on trading and/or using Bitcoin in buying illegal staff. You better watch out, if you were not caught for the first time or second time with your trade, on the third you'll be caught and you'll spend the rest of your life behind bars, so you better think of it.

A person who are into drugs and pedophilia are going to do anything just to satisfy his insanity. That means, it depends on the person on what  method he will use and he's the problem if he do that and not bitcoin if he used it. If we jail these bastards, bitcoin can be used only on normal day to day things.

Personally, I have never used bitcoin in dark matters, and do not plan to do it, all these activities can defile a coin!

Nothing can be more anonymous than physical cash. If someone purchases crack or weed using banknotes, how you are going to trace those banknotes back to him? And in Europe, I heard that €500 is the preferred currency of the drug dealers and criminals.

My friends regularly bought illegal staf in our country.
Also, as gratitude, taking into account the romte, they gave their debts to friends. And they also made gifts in bitkoynah! To what the friends were unspeakably happy, as the amount of the gift has doubled in the course of time !!!)))

I know that my friends was use bitcoin to by illegal stuffs, and it’s so sad  :(

The question is as if you are in search of a scheme of how you could become a participant in such a project with a bitcoin-based fraud. Do not go to the black side. It's better to be on the side. It will be better this way.

Me, I don't use bitcoin in illegal transaction. Buy i think there are many people who use bitcoin illegally. They use it in gambling, drugs, terrorism and there is news that some people use bitcoin in money laundering.

I prefer to buy stuff with Paypal, bank payments. Bitcoin is used to hide identity, but does so paypal and other payment option. If you think illegal stuff isn't bought by paypal, you wrong, it's not hard to open paypal under someones name.

I have never used Bitcoin for bad purposes, but I've often heard how people use crypto currency. Anonymity will always be used for different purposes

Money laundering is one reason why people use Bitcoin to transfer money from one account to another account without leaving a trace since it would just past through the internet and no security. I don't say it to discourage your clean thought but the reality is the reality.

Some naughty kid was using Bitcoin to avail adult access on the internet since sometime Bitcoin wallet don't need age verification for its user, not all are dark but some kiddos are being naughty---

You can buy legal and illegal stuff with your own paper moneys/Fiat moneys and it is the same with Bitcoin as it is not an exemption to the rule of money, as long as you can spend valuable things in exchange of other things whether it is good or bad. It is just a matter of who will gonna use the money though and we all know the saying 'Money is the root of all evil' so meaning it is evil but if you use it in a good way then it is not. It just happened that Bitcoin is an international digital currency but it is still 'Money

Bitcoin isn't anonymous coin, it is pseudo-anonymous. FBI arrests hackers, drug dealers and other criminal (who used bitcoin) on a regular basis

I agree this is good for wide adoption. A good image on bitcoin can make people feel comfortable with it. Let's make illegal activities underground.

I will never use bitcoin to buy anything illegal. Whatever you decided to do, it will reflect on you in the future. It is not impossible not to trace illegal transactions even for Bitcoins but still, it can be done.

buying anything with any currency depends on the perpetrator itself, the cryptocurrency currency itself is only a tool, but usually for illegal purchases usually law enforcement agencies can track it from the movement of the goods, and also can track it from anywhere , so be wise to use bitcoin try to be used for the good alone.

Yeah we know that. bitcoin has a user of more than 10 million people with different purposes in using bitcoin. certainly among of them
some use bitcoin for illegal transactions. but because of the decentralized bitcoin they are free to use bitcoin as they wish

I think we have the option for using bitcoin for illegal or legal things but we need to remember that it is better to use bitcoin for legal things so we don't have to get any problem with our governments. and if you can do with legal then why you want to use the illegal way of using bitcoin and it could make you go to jail. and if we still use bitcoin for illegal things then I think it is a small chance for bitcoin to be accepted by the government because they see that bitcoin is only for illegal things and in the end, we are difficult to use bitcoin again.

..We have the option on how we are going to use and treat Bitcoin.. but for me it's No..I'm not using Bitcoin in illegal way,,the positivism that Bitcoin gives to me means a lot..I am using my Bitcoin in a good way..because this give me much pleasure that nothing else can replace..for i do believe in the power of it..How sad that many uses Bitcoin in a wrong way,,that could  probably result in misunderstanding and causes it to become permanently banned because on the wrong use it.

actually in tracking money laundering crimes, developed countries can trace through unusual money movements, possibly from quantities or from the purchase of suspicious goods and services, because the technology of developed countries is very supportive of interconnected financial systems. but it does not apply to developing countries whose financial oversight system is still very weak, so many developing countries are prohibiting the use of cryptocurrecy currency, one of them bitcoin, because they have not been able to control the movement of money, especially money laundering from corruption.

Criminals are increasingly using bitcoin for illegal transactions, preferring crypto-currencies, whose transactions are more difficult to track.

No, bitcoin was not created for this.

1. no I've never bought anything illegal because I never needed to. 2. It's obvious that it's better to use cryptocurrencies to buy such stuff. Monero is being used for such purchases.

I have to disappoint you. Less and less Bitcoin transactions are used for illegal things. The number of serious transactions is increasing and the number of illegal ones is decreasing. You could read this in the news in the last weeks. Besides, it is not nice to use Bitcoin for illegal things, because he is only semi-annonymous. There are companies that have already analyzed the blockchain and know what Bitcoins are used for.   ;)

Crypto currency is often accused of being used for illegal purposes. However, another study showed that in fact only a small percentage of them are used for illegal operations. Currently less than 1% of Bitcoin-tokens are used for illegal operations.

Bitcoin used in a lot of bad things to hear in the mouth but i have never tried to use it in a bad way. I know it's very much used in the Dark Wave.
Personally i bought legal thing by using BTC.

1/ Define "illegal". What is legal in one country may be illegal in another. And some of the items which are not de jure legal may be de facto legal.
2/ It is up to you. If you get good deals with Bitcoin payments, then go with it.

I don't think bitcoin has been classified as illegal, a secretive one though but I don't think its illegal. I haven't bought any illegal things using bitcoin too. Though there are black propagandas and scammers out there using bitcoins and cryptocurrencies in general. It's a matter of weighing the risk because obviously bitcoin is much more risky than the investments offered by banks.

Detractors will often bring up the use of bitcoin to participate in illegal activities. Well, cash is used a lot more in drug deals an other criminal activities.  Not many drug dealers in my area are accepting bitcoin.....

Definitely we didn't have exact point on how we spent bitcoin for our daily lives, and partly that's right having freedom of decentralized bitcoin depends on how we finally deal with it in proper manners. In a certain country which bitcoin always in focus of, there's no circumstances when a specific transaction wasn't actually transparent to the authorities or a government body so no strict implementations for whatsoever dark uses. As long as it remains smoothly processed behind separation from fiat economy, I guess that's fairly successful to use regardless on how good or bad it is.

For now i did not but i think if someone will use or spend Bitcoin to acquired illegal things then that person is an illegal too. If fiat currency can be used to buy good and bad things then of course Bitcoin currency too because they are the same currencies but only not the same plarform for spending. Some persons will easily use Bitcoin for their illegal means because of decentralize transactions but it is difficult to happen now because of regulation.

..i do use Bitcoin in a legal way,,because i do believe in the power of Bitcoin..because this give me a life changing moment..the negativity that Bitcoin give is that other people use it in a illegal way,,that's why other countries ban and treat Bitcoin as a scam..nevertheless,,it is good to buy something in your fiat currency because the volatility of bitcoin value is inevitable..

As far as the drug dealers are concerned, there is only one form of currency that is 100% anonymous. And that happens to be fiat cash. Even Bitcoin is not as untraceable as fiat cash.

You do not laugh yourself that lit? in my country they kill for a currency that is running (dollars or national) .. and where does the crypto (.. kill for a piece of bread ..

When I was small, I went to kindergarten, everyone said to me, do not do this, do not give up this, I grew up = I had my own opinion, I put the dick on all consultants now, this is my life .. who will answer me the answer?

What country are you in?? The first time I hear such things about such cases.!

depending on culture in each country, there are countries that do not allow gambling, and include the use of crypto in it, as well as drug regulation and certain investment patterns, if it is still in the corridor that is not excessive, it should not be a problem.

every business has certain rules, even though it is not connected with crypto business, the equality of use that is not permitted in the fiat business must be equated.

I never use bitcoin to buy any illegal stuffs. Yes. Anyone whose using bitcoin can buy illegal things becuse no one can trace them except if they want some meetups. They're (fiat & bitcoin) like the same since you can still buy illegal stuffs if you really want to.

Just always be precautious in transacting.

If someone had actually used Bitcoin to purchase illegal stuff, do you really think that they are stupid enough to brag about it here in Bitcointalk? As of now, you may be aware that the law enforcement agencies keep a close watch on forums such as this one.

I can't say that bitcoin is for dar usage or buying something illegal, bitcoin is also can be used for paying legal staff. The reason why bitcoin seemingly used for illegal things just because no one can trace it, unlike fiat money or credit card or visa. So, of course people with bad intention will used it exclusively. And as you know, buying illegal or legal thing is depend on the people, not bitcoin as the currency.

all currencies can be used for every transaction and what also happens in fiat, washing crypto money is indeed difficult to trace, but if there is strong regulation, the government will be more assertive in identifying all shipments of expedition services. Many things have no solution, but everything will return to the awareness of users and the government to continue to develop binding laws.

The regulation nowadays also affected bitcoin's progress in developing a good price, but it's advantages given us a great way to make bitcoin a much trusted crypto. Thus fraud actions will be determined quickly unlike previous year's scenario which made the bubble price became a bull run like impressions, but reality will speak that most of the dark sides of bitcoin was used actually.

Very often I heard that drugs are bought through Bitcoin and merchants are paid a salary, anonymity will not give Bitcoin a bright future, as such it will be combined in many deadly sins!

 :o ??? :o In my opinion,my and my friends never used BTC for any ilegal thing, but in our country i hear narcos are using BTC insteat fiat,and the police dont know so much about crypto.

1. of course not but using bitcoin to buy illlegal things is only a descretion to a bitcoin holder. But, even if you can actually buy illegal staff it doesn't mean that you will not be compromise for some exchanges are implementing one time KYC doing transactions with them.

2. Bitcoin is a digital currency. It is also considered as an asset because of its nature the volatility and people were hoarding on it instead of using it as a form of payment. In this matter since bitcoin is volatile using it might loss the one especially if market price is down. It is not a good practice if one will use bitcoin as a form of payment if market is down.

In the CIS countries, bitcoin has become accustomed to drug traffickers, many people have already been caught and are in prison for selling through bitcoin, and even sex services)))

But then, what is the proportion of the criminals who use Bitcoin, when compared to those who use fiat currency? As far as I know, the vast majority of the criminals prefer payments in fiat currency rather than in Bitcoin. The reason is that physical cash is much more anonymous than BTC.

in our country, bitcoin has not been able to buy items, here bitcoin is only traded like commodities, so its use is still not in accordance with the original nature of bitcoin, namely digital currency, but if used definitely to do legal business because we all know that law enforcement officers can certainly trace the perpetrators of crime, so illegal goods are very easy to trace law enforcement.

Do not tell me from Russia and we only have time to catch for the crime where bitcoin is involved, a lot of police officers were imprisoned, they were noticed for money laundering or drug trafficking brought from Kazakhstan. Here in Siberia, drugs are sold through telegrams for bitcoin, and I also heard that drug addicts get paid in bitcoin.

And we have a very popular Bitcoin, in all areas, since wages in Siberia are very small 250-350 dollars, people carry their money in Bitcoin, and many took loans at 20% per annum, and with such a hyip, Cashbery Coin crypt was created in Russia, a huge financial pyramid that so many people cheated that now all its participants are hiding in England, lot.

I don't know how true this is. Here in Singapore, drug trafficking is quite rare. And even with such a low prevalence, most of the transactions are being done in exchange for fiat currency.

in our country, bitcoin cannot buy anything, because our country prohibits the use of bitcoin to be used as a payment tool , so we here only sell bitcoin on the money market , and we buy bitcoin for assets. but if bitcoin is allowed to be a legitimate exchange tool , of course we will use it to buy goods that do not violate the law .

Not only bitcoin or another cryptocurrency used for illegal things! More often there used fiat money, especially cash. So don't make bitcoin illegal.

You can use money to buy illegal stuff, you can use gold to buy illegal stuff, so it does not mean anything if someone uses bitcoin to buy illegal stuff. Bitcoin, fiat money, gold, are just different forms of the assets.

Indeed, the difference is only a way every perpetrator of a crime uses bitcoin, money fiat gold and others. You can use money fiat and gold as a transaction system for illegal goods if you meet directly with the seller, I mean you can only make transactions if you meet or know your identity. Unlike Bitcoin, you can keep your identity private from others and this is what causes everyone to get bitcoin, an easy-to-use tool for transacting illegal stuff.

Thats right and I do not u derstand why the mass media and the government make such sensation from new scam based on crypto if the same kind of people's scamming and even worse is happening with other things as fiat and metals?!

Personally, I never buy something illegal. Both legal or illegal stuff can be bought by bitcoin, and so with the fiat. As far as I know many people with bad intention can use both system. So, it depends on people intention, it depends on their consideration of using bitcoin or fiat money because people have different situation, right?

In dark web everything is transaction by illegal method and i heard BTC is mostly using payment system. I think in normal ip peoples can't entered this underground and people think this is another world where many bad things are discussed.

Let me clear do you talking to a person when you say STAFF or a thing STUFF. However, If you are talking to a thing, Nope. As far as I know I never used Bitcoin to buy  illegal stuffs because its unethical to do it and it can be a reason to destroy the image of Bitcoin in the world because as I know one of the reason why bitcoin banned by other country because it can be a tool to do some illegal activities which is not good.

I think people need to use bitcoin for legal things not use for illegal things. bitcoin is not a currency so we have to use the bitcoin for legal things.

Even if fiat money is used for illegal purchases over the Internet . And bitcoin is an unofficial digital currency is not regulated by anyone and of course he is used by the criminal world for its own purposes .

the use of bitcoin that we have is one of the sensitive things, because we are free to use anything, but we will not use it for something that violates the law, because our country is very selective about the entry of goods from our country, so we usually only sell it just buy on the money market, no need to exchange it into fiat currency.

Don't make Bitcoin a "black" cryptocurrency! There is much US dollars in the dark side of world economy than BTC and other crypto in summ.

If people are rational then they know that this statement is dumb. I mean we all know that even before bitcoin existed,  fiat getting used for evil purposes has been going on until today. And I've read somewhere that only 1% of btc are really used for illegal things or crimes.

Actually they all return to each individual in expressing something as you say. that indeed there are very many illegal examples made, such as laundering money obtained from illegal. banknotes produced from illegal, transacted to the crypto market to become bitcoin. so that later it will be done for all forms of transactions, the possibility of illegal actions will be difficult to trace where they came from. everything can happen, but if our intention not to do illegal will certainly not be done. because there are still many forms that can be done legally.

This is indeed a bitcoin owner's dilemma, because so far it has been considered a place for money laundering. Although not all bitcoin owners are financial criminals, more speculators expect big profits from rising bitcoin prices like 2017.
Therefore, to become a digital currency recognized by the world, bitcoin must make changes that have become obstacles. I think there is still room for an agreement that can make bitcoin used throughout the world.

How ?  Can you put fiat money directly on the internet or online ?  No  .  but digital payment system can  . you need to use a money transfer service if you want to buy online using fiat .


Bitcoin isnt built this way  .its not meant to money launder to use for other criminal acts , people only mistaken it as one because of its digital and anonymous feature  . most of all it only depends on the user if he will use his btc for good or for bad  

Don't buy illegal things over internet. Sooner or later you may end up at jail.

Currency is used for payments or investments, both digital and fiat. If anyone believes that bitcoin is used for illegal transactions, it is another part of the currency.
That is, whatever type of currency is always used for good and evil because transactions cannot be monitored by anyone. So if anyone thinks bitcoin is used for illegal purposes, I don't agree.

in my youth i bought illegal things with cash.
in my old age, i've had people pay for magic: the gathering cards in bitcoin.
age tempers us all i suppose.
the news is full of stories of people laundering money with btc, or people buying guns and drugs with bitcoin, but most people i know from that old life are entirely too stupid to handle btc, so it seems like demonizing cryptocurrency is just a return to the 90's and their movies about how hackers would end up launching nukes during a hack gone wrong.

Moreover all currencies are used for that, we all know that? so it's a stop judge that only bitcoins do illegal transactions and call dark use of bitcoin, all currencies have dark use? and we can't prevent them from using bitcoin for negative things..

Let analysis the facts here, no one in the world has no clue how much fiat currency is used to illegal activities, might be more than a trillion dollars and it cannot be tracked but that is not the case with bitcoin, each and every transaction are edged in history and anyone can monitor every transactions made and if bitcoin is used for illegal transaction, it is like documenting your crime for everyone to see and the criminal end up facing jail time for his bravery. :D

I do not frequent the dark web so I am not buying any illegal stuff because I am not into anything illegal being a law abiding citizen, I do buy stuff on a legal online store, but unfortunately, some of them do not offer Bitcoin transaction yet, but soon they are going to be, because cryptocurrency is the payment processor of the future.

I agree that it's too dangerous to do illegal things through the Internet, but you can also be easily caught outside

Yes thats true . Its easy to be caught outside than being online because in the online world there are tools that we can use to mask our real identity . We can use proxies or vpns and we can use fake names , fake infos and voila , authorities will now have a hard time to detect you . Not just bitcoin but almost any cryptos can be used for dark markets and other dark uses since cryptos are a bit anonymous compare to other centralized online payments 

The name fraud is clearly ilegal, at least what has been done violates the rules humanely and has violated state rules. Every clear illegal action even though it is not detected at this time, surely one day it will also be revealed to the surface. nothing is eternal from illegal actions.

Independent studies were conducted in the US and Europe and they confirmed that bitcoin is used for illegal purposes in less than ten percent of cases. Bitcoin criminals hardly use it because of its relative anonymity only. For illegal purposes, cryptocurrency with a higher level of anonymity is used - these are coins monero, dash and others.

it is equally dangerous to do illegal things on the web or in real life
internet gives a false sense of anonymity , when in reality your identity is traceable if really needed
but you won't necessarily end up in jail , the agencies who have the ability and resources to trace the illegal deals
won't bother with petty crimes , same as in the outside world - the rules of the game are the same

Done. End of discussion.

If you know that the things you buy are illegal, take a step back immediately. I know many of those illegal things can be bought online via dark web easily and can even deliver straight to your house. A transaction or two can escape but sooner it will end in jail or huge fees and charges.

1. I used my bitcoin to buy legal things because I have nothing to do with illegal thing but i don't know of others. Remember no one can stop you to spend your bitcoin for anything whether legal or illegal.
2. Use any of them to secure what ever services you want since your bitcoin or you money in the bank belong to you alone.

Not wise whatsoever esp now there are advanced technology solutions like Ciphertrace who specialize in BTC forensics

Can you give me the source? I believe that 10% is way too high.

Recently, there was a study by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and the IBM Watson AI Lab on the dark use of Bitcoin. Their conclusion was that less than 2% of all the transactions were "illicit" (which includes dark market transactions). Also recently, there was another study by Chainalysis. Their figures were even lower. Chainalysis claimed that less than 1% of all the Bitcoin transactions were illicit.

We can't deny the fact that a small part of the Bitcoin transactions are linked to illegal and illicit business. But the good news is that the proportion of such transactions are going down with every passing year.

This was an interesting point found by Ciphertrace regarding BTC and dark use:

“The results show that privacy coins are barely used in dark markets and at dark vendor sites (e.g. only 4% of instances involve Monero (XMR). Instead, Bitcoin remains the coin of the realm in this shady world, with BTC used in 76% of dark market cases and ETC used in only 7% of instances.”


https://cointelegraph.com/news/cyber-criminals-netted-43b-from-crypto-related-crime-in-2019-study

I agree with you, there is a big changes in the market now, the anti money laundering council are already aware of the possibility of laundering money using bitcoin and since most of the exchanges now are regulated, it will be hard for people to use bitcoin for their illegal activities, otherwise they will easily be trace.

I think since we have a lot of privacy coin now, that should be use for as a better option compared to BTC.

Moreover, even mixers nowadays has been shut down already, that's how powerful and strong the government is when it comes to implementation.

Not all mixers, there are still mixers that are operating but the way I see it, mixers are more use on illegal activities than using it for privacy purpose.
I believe, government does not like mixers because they it's against the anti money laundering law, and based on what I observed, the government are requiring every business involve in handling cash transactions to impose KYC requirement to the site, mixers does not as it will defeat its purpose.

We have seen two mixing services closing in a span of about a week in May if I'm not mistaken. So definitely authorities are already knocking on the door of mixing services still standing today. So it's going to be a cat and mouse game for tumbling operators, other might cave in and just shut down because of too much pressures from the government. And for those we wish to stand and fight, then it's going to be a uphill battle for them.

I don't know the exact number, but I think there's a lot of mixing service in the space but we only know few since most of them does not have an exposure in this forum. The two mixers that you are talking are the bestmixer and Bitblender but maybe they can still run their business with different names since this business are not registered and regulated by the government.

Also https://chipmixer.com/ is not anymore accessible in normal web browser like google, I hope they'll not be the next.

I bought a cup of coffee with Bitcoin and included a book, of course you can buy using Bitcoin to buy illegal things, but I recommend that, to make Bitcoin clean, you should use Bitcoin to spend on transparent things.

1. Honestly i don't buy illegal stuff because the words illegal means Jail if you will be caught but any one can used Bitcoin to buy any thing as long as the stuff is available.
2. Bitcoin is better to used because it will not trace your records specially in illegal activities.

I can't agree with you. Bitcoin is anonymous that's why it's can be easily use in illegal stuff in the dark web and other many illegal platform.
Fiat Money and Gold are very different things because these is you will never use it anonymously because those are physical asset.

How it possible? You can't make transaction in Fiat currency without recipient identity i mean who guys will buy from you. I don't think there are any chances of illegal activities by Fiat money because it's a offline currency.