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Title: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: jim667 on June 18, 2013, 07:11:07 PM I've given Lemon a 12 BTC loan on April 28th, 2013 (tx https://blockchain.info/tx/9627f386eded9d55cb2c522f6e676c5184da5b014e09e3f44e006633cfee5809 (https://blockchain.info/tx/9627f386eded9d55cb2c522f6e676c5184da5b014e09e3f44e006633cfee5809) ). One payment of 0.36 BTC has been done on May 9th (instead of by May 5th as per the agreement). The loan should have been repaid (13.44 BTC in total; 13.08 BTC outstanding) by May 26th, 2013.
Lemon has come up with various reasons for not being able to access his wallet. I consider them irrelevant. Our last communication (email message) happened on June 9th, 2013; Lemon promised to pay before June 16th, 2013. Lemon is involved with crypto.pm https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=176756 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=176756) and escrow.pm https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188727 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=188727). I will post a link to this accusation on these threads too, as well as inform Lemon by email. GPG-signed loan agreement follows. -- Agreement text -- http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Lemon I'd like a 12BTC loan, 12% interest with a four week payment term. Principal interest to be paid weekly (1.44BTC), with the last interest payment (week 4) to also include return of principal (12BTC). Address (Lemon) 18McHYrSzjWXGRbDYe9j18Kqdbv9pUuGap Address (Jim) 1MxTLQGWRbVRSdmrUdRqyK17cZUBQJKqtf gpg: Signature made Sun 28 Apr 2013 09:56:49 PM UTC using RSA key ID 4A5EFEB0 gpg: Good signature from "Lemon (Trusted Goat) <me@lemon.sx>" -- end of Agreement text -- To check the signature, save the text below to signed.txt and use the following: base64 -d < signed.txt > msg.sig gpg -d msg.sig (sorry, don't know how to convert binary signed files to ascii with gnupg) -- Signed text in base64 -- owGbwMvMwMQo0hCt6RX3bwPjWsbiJPbc4nS9koqSwNrZihklJQVW+vpJmSXJ+Zl5uvklyXrJ+bn6 ZZmp5UWJJZl56SmpJYmZOXoFGQX2eZnJ2bY+qbn5eVxcnuopCjmZ2akKiQqGRk4hzgo5+Yl5OkC2 qkJmXklqUWpxiUJ5ZkkGUD4tv7RIoTw1NVuhILEyNzWvRAEon6unEFCUmZecWZCYg9BRkq+QlApU lpkC1pBTqaBhqGdiAjRfUwdiXElGqkJOIlApXA/MUA2wFSaaIEMSc4rzgSqSc0pTUhWKUktKi/IU 8tMUCuA2aoAdranHxeWYkgI0plhBA+wxTS5DC99kj8ii4Kqs8Aj3oCSXyFTLLEML78KUpDLLgtBS 98QCJD1emblAHb4VIT6B7uFBSWFBwSm5RaEpQYWV3obmyVGhToFe3oUlaVydTDIsDIxMDGysTKBA Z+DiFIDFyFE5AYYzy745vdIqcOIKKlmsabpMT1BcNfySVOzrjn/fpZ53vmVw3/lO4t8bJq/auWE5 BwTVRU68YW6JzzSSCX/s4r1oTzQ/Y7bBuRXNSWt271J3ehwrFP2MW5Lv2wyuro1cnAdXRrKzB1u2 vo+cUPvRcGKr/ebH13t2K9r99EmfffpMe7A+d9fOAvF81pWF6osyI2uF/h8t+1OesuVR/naPX5mK 2bG1svl2gTpMvhF8dxNWej1/uaFaUGXnl2OHPonFpG2QWNO67ct3jT3/9VuYhUxkzzW/eK8Vfebq ht6YYNOGE8//vi6bK9vVzfOtPHDu73U8GV5PWxfc+8/3hDVR/XToBXYG74km07Z1etfv1Dep33Ra d5Iqc6pXXOeRO16ps4Nr1/11aOe13t8kYarCPensxCvLXxW6ljRMcD6o5r19s6PQz4gY28CUIz/E 46eqHFRmemcZyzZ34bLc1N8RecaqzsdXCy02WGGizGV5OMff72LUBL87Zozr/RdcMRWSb2y80356 zyyuz8V1QT4LWS22S8+/bSk8IWe3j3uxqIXGg6ziap21/6Zv5BU7cn3R/bcmUa1Pw7UnH/FY56w1 549aW4EwW3aQ8GqfcwlHs1baq0Wz/z9lyLJZ+Sy3/efJappKmYcXd31lXtG+i+viRru2m7di/itn fX69aPq1Tyn7upMcBOQ5vl+13GRR41bq/lD/lMePI3sr3x4AAA== -- END of signed text in base64 -- Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Lemon on June 18, 2013, 07:51:11 PM Confirming this is defaulted. Was just alerted to this thread via SMS. Have been laid up in bed (literally) and am extremely ill. My health issues are fairly well known and documented. A recent case of food poisoning has worsened things greatly.
To Jim, I can only apologize - I will resolve this when capable - typing this on my phone is exhausting enough. In the interests of full disclosure, there is one other outstanding loan - interest repayments have already exceeded the loan itself, though the principal is overdue. There is also a sale transaction in progress that was waylaid (?) by my health issues. I will resolve this as soon as I am able. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on June 18, 2013, 07:55:49 PM In further interest of disclosure the sale is with me for a sum of bitcoin [sums involved are not important yet] if Lemon does not follow through on these [which I hope he does] I will comment with further information.
Currently he has also told me he is ill [as above] and will resolve at the earliest. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Rawted on June 18, 2013, 08:18:06 PM I practically blew a gasket in otc when i heard lemon was scamming. Glad to see thats not the case and obligations are being taken care of.
This gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Lemon on June 18, 2013, 08:28:39 PM I practically blew a gasket in otc when i heard lemon was scamming. Glad to see thats not the case and obligations are being taken care of. This gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. Not trying to dodge any obligations. If I was out to get people, I wouldn't have put quite so much effort in to crypto. Time to drink more fluids. And before anybody asks, I'm on my damn phone. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Rawted on June 18, 2013, 08:45:12 PM I practically blew a gasket in otc when i heard lemon was scamming. Glad to see thats not the case and obligations are being taken care of. This gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. Not trying to dodge any obligations. If I was out to get people, I wouldn't have put quite so much effort in to crypto. Time to drink more fluids. And before anybody asks, I'm on my damn phone. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Lemon on June 19, 2013, 12:53:45 AM Currently in a hospital with heart complications (which I will prove). Communication from me for the next few days may be very sparse.
Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: WuLabsWuTecH on June 19, 2013, 01:09:50 AM Currently in a hospital with heart complications (which I will prove). Communication from me for the next few days may be very sparse. Oh no! the heart is an important organ! Best wishes! Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: danieldaniel on June 19, 2013, 12:14:13 PM Currently in a hospital with heart complications (which I will prove). Communication from me for the next few days may be very sparse. I hope you get better! Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: San1ty on June 19, 2013, 12:48:46 PM I wouldn't be too quick to jump to conclusions, but I'd like to contribute to the topic:
I have invested in Crypto.pm (https://crypto.pm/invest), and since I have invested, communication with Lemon has been very hard / near to impossible. This has been going on for a while and I haven't received on official (signed) confirmation of my ownership of the cryptoshares I paid for. I'm writing this down as a warning to others as this can look like a scam to some. Anyway don't get me wrong: I believe he'll come through and I hope he gets well soon. PS: If other Crypto.pm investors read this, it would be nice to get in touch! Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Azelphur on June 19, 2013, 02:37:45 PM Just to add experiences with Lemon here, I'm remaining impartial on the "is he a scammer" front for now, but I will add to the best of my ability my experiences with him so far.
We have done 1 successful large BTC trade, he went first. He says he is a lawyer, and I have employed him to do some legal work for me, however as yet the quality hasn't been up to par. He told me he was going to send me client/lawyer agreement paperwork when I first requested his services on 18th of April, As of yet, despite multiple requests, the paperwork has still not arrived. He was supposed to be sorting tax stuff out for me, he says that HMRC hasn't replied to him yet. In my experience, HMRC response times are far less than 2 months. I have been having major issues with the banks, he hasn't been all that helpful with it at all. I find myself having to contact another solicitor, because the work quite simply isn't up to par. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on June 19, 2013, 02:42:54 PM To re-empathize my involvement I have done several trades with Lemon.
1 - 10BTC, Lemon sent first. 2 - 10BTC, Lemon sent first. 3 - I sent Lemon money, a month ago, and still no BTC. That's my involvement. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Lemon on June 19, 2013, 04:25:51 PM Just to add experiences with Lemon here, I'm remaining impartial on the "is he a scammer" front for now, but I will add to the best of my ability my experiences with him so far. We have done 1 successful large BTC trade, he went first. He says he is a lawyer, and I have employed him to do some legal work for me, however as yet the quality hasn't been up to par. He told me he was going to send me client/lawyer agreement paperwork when I first requested his services on 18th of April, As of yet, despite multiple requests, the paperwork has still not arrived. He was supposed to be sorting tax stuff out for me, he says that HMRC hasn't replied to him yet. In my experience, HMRC response times are far less than 2 months. I have been having major issues with the banks, he hasn't been all that helpful with it at all. I find myself having to contact another solicitor, because the work quite simply isn't up to par. HMRC response times on unclear policy are nothing short of "who knows". Since I last sent paperwork, I have heard nothing from you. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Lemon on June 19, 2013, 04:26:54 PM I wouldn't be too quick to jump to conclusions, but I'd like to contribute to the topic: I have invested in Crypto.pm (https://crypto.pm/invest), and since I have invested, communication with Lemon has been very hard / near to impossible. This has been going on for a while and I haven't received on official (signed) confirmation of my ownership of the cryptoshares I paid for. I'm writing this down as a warning to others as this can look like a scam to some. Anyway don't get me wrong: I believe he'll come through and I hope he gets well soon. PS: If other Crypto.pm investors read this, it would be nice to get in touch! Are you referring to your GPG agreement or not receiving one at all? Edit: if you have not received a signed agreement then you are more than welcome to request a refund. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Lemon on June 19, 2013, 04:28:13 PM To re-empathize my involvement I have done several trades with Lemon. 1 - 10BTC, Lemon sent first. 2 - 10BTC, Lemon sent first. 3 - I sent Lemon money, a month ago, and still no BTC. That's my involvement. Christ, I didn't even think it had been that long. I can only apologize. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Lemon on June 19, 2013, 04:31:44 PM So people are aware - issues with Cryptography LTD can be dealt with via email channels. I will happily address any personal issues in this thread. Comments regarding any legal nature however will not be done publically.
Azelphur, you are welcome to email me - but I'm not seeing anything from you. You also have my phone number. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Lemon on June 19, 2013, 04:34:40 PM So people are aware, the health complications from last night can be shortened to "God damn heart attack".
Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: iwilcox on June 19, 2013, 05:34:11 PM As this thread seems to be a collection of Lemon-related stuff, not just loans, I should probably mention that I still haven't received any nuPlay prototype unit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=176756.msg2059007#msg2059007), nor any firm date when I should expect it to be shipped, and nor has anyone else I've spoken to about it (although I have had two or three erratic updates over the past couple of months saying it'll be soon). There was very brief discussion on IRC of not sending the device since Lemon wanted to send it to someone who he felt would use it as he had intended, but that discussion concluded with sticking to the original plan of sending me a unit and my returning it once I'd seen it existed.
That being said, his offer of a nuPlay prototype unit was always a freebie with no deadline; on paper Lemon owes me nothing, ever, and I mention it only for its possible relevance to Lemon keeping his word. Those are the facts; since others have offered opinions, I'll veer away from fact towards speculation and gut feeling now. Some forlorn posts over on the nuPlay forum (https://nuplay.co/forum/index.php?/forum/7-general-discussion/) seem to be asking for hardware, software or updates on when either will appear, so it appears I'm not alone, but it's impossible to verify or falsify Lemon's claims that there are customers that have received units. I considered investing in crypto.pm, and looked carefully into Lemon's background and past projects. For reasons I'm unable to disclose for fear of litigation, when I asked him the first of the questions my research raised for me, I asked them publicly. It seemed important for all to be able to see whether his replies were timely and to be able to prove he said something should it be necessary. From the ensuing questions and responses, two things made me very uneasy: first, while his answers were always plausible they were never satisfactory for me personally since I never felt he gave any enough information on any question to make his answer either verifiable or falsifiable; second, I felt he tended to prefer to divert questions away from public forums towards e-mail (making assessment of timely response and whether e-mail ever got replied to much more difficult). I have many other more specific doubts, but since (1) I'm not sure I'd get any reply, (2) I don't expect any answers that I'd consider verifiable/falsifiable and (3) Lemon has indicated a readiness to employ litigation (I don't know whether he would or could, but if so it'd be prohibitively costly to defend whatever the outcome), suffice it to say I'd strongly advise anyone considering dealing with Lemon to perform very thorough research on him and his past projects first. I feel obliged to add that the same is true of any stranger on the Internet you're considering sending money to. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: San1ty on June 19, 2013, 05:41:10 PM I wouldn't be too quick to jump to conclusions, but I'd like to contribute to the topic: I have invested in Crypto.pm (https://crypto.pm/invest), and since I have invested, communication with Lemon has been very hard / near to impossible. This has been going on for a while and I haven't received on official (signed) confirmation of my ownership of the cryptoshares I paid for. I'm writing this down as a warning to others as this can look like a scam to some. Anyway don't get me wrong: I believe he'll come through and I hope he gets well soon. PS: If other Crypto.pm investors read this, it would be nice to get in touch! Are you referring to your GPG agreement or not receiving one at all? Edit: if you have not received a signed agreement then you are more than welcome to request a refund. We have already talked about this multiple times on IRC and I haven't received a reply on my last mail. I have received the written agreement and replied I was happy with the terms and then I have never received the GPG signed agreement. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on June 19, 2013, 10:29:52 PM To re-empathize my involvement I have done several trades with Lemon. 1 - 10BTC, Lemon sent first. 2 - 10BTC, Lemon sent first. 3 - I sent Lemon money, a month ago, and still no BTC. That's my involvement. Christ, I didn't even think it had been that long. I can only apologize. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: solidshotnosh on June 20, 2013, 12:53:33 AM How does one collect in situations like this if the lendee dies or goes comatose?
Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: WuLabsWuTecH on June 20, 2013, 04:40:01 AM How does one collect in situations like this if the lendee dies or goes comatose? In normal circumstances, the estate will settle postmortem outstanding debts. With btc, you would have to track down the person first and verify his identity and make a case to be paid out in USD (or whatever the currency is in his home country). IF he's just comatose, most jurisdictions have laws that allow for the delay of payment. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: solidshotnosh on June 20, 2013, 06:56:37 AM How does one collect in situations like this if the lendee dies or goes comatose? In normal circumstances, the estate will settle postmortem outstanding debts. With btc, you would have to track down the person first and verify his identity and make a case to be paid out in USD (or whatever the currency is in his home country). IF he's just comatose, most jurisdictions have laws that allow for the delay of payment. As a semi-related question, if you were to loan people money as a payday advance or as a title loan, is there any insurance to as them paying you back? That is, are they legally required to? My fiance and I are torn between putting 100k down on a laundry mat, or maybe starting a payday advance brick and mortar. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: iwilcox on June 20, 2013, 09:11:32 AM Some forlorn posts over on the nuPlay forum (https://nuplay.co/forum/index.php?/forum/7-general-discussion/) seem to be asking for hardware, software or updates on when either will appear, so it appears I'm not alone, but it's impossible to verify or falsify Lemon's claims that there are customers that have received units. The link to the nuPlay forum was working when I made that post (although I can't prove that, so it'd be handy if anyone who followed my link would confirm it), but has since gone offline (http://www.webcitation.org/6HVrX7Wpk). I don't imagine for a moment that Lemon is attempting to hide the past from his hospital bed; I'd speculate that another member of the "nuPlay team" took it down as part of routine maintenance, and that the timing of its disappearance just after I posted potentially embarrassing links to it here is pure coincidence[1][2]. Doncha just hate link rot? Google to the rescue; cached copies of the four most recent threads can (for now, at least) be found at:
[1] Please note that my speculative explanation, while plausible, is neither verifiable nor falsifiable on its own. [2] I won't answer any difficult questions about my theories on this public forum; for more information please e-mail me@difficultquestio.ns, but note that there's a very good chance I may disappoint you later by explaining that I never got your e-mail (and I may take weeks to reply if I ever do confirm getting it) because I have amazingly bad luck when it comes to technical problems with my e-mail. EDIT 2013-07-12 to add: as posted separately (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237537.msg2715096#msg2715096), a couple of the cache links above broke, and the forum is still down as of this writing (http://archive.is/WK0Ng); alternative sources are:
Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: San1ty on June 20, 2013, 11:44:33 AM I wouldn't be too quick to jump to conclusions, but I'd like to contribute to the topic: I have invested in Crypto.pm (https://crypto.pm/invest), and since I have invested, communication with Lemon has been very hard / near to impossible. This has been going on for a while and I haven't received on official (signed) confirmation of my ownership of the cryptoshares I paid for. I'm writing this down as a warning to others as this can look like a scam to some. Anyway don't get me wrong: I believe he'll come through and I hope he gets well soon. PS: If other Crypto.pm investors read this, it would be nice to get in touch! Are you referring to your GPG agreement or not receiving one at all? Edit: if you have not received a signed agreement then you are more than welcome to request a refund. We have already talked about this multiple times on IRC and I haven't received a reply on my last mail. I have received the written agreement and replied I was happy with the terms and then I have never received the GPG signed agreement. Due to my impatient nature, I have decided to go for the refund: I have sent a mail to both hello@citrus.pw and ryan@citrus.pw requesting a refund. I will reply to this topic as soon as I have received the refund (I imagine this would do a lot for your credibility at this point). Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: San1ty on June 21, 2013, 03:48:08 PM I wouldn't be too quick to jump to conclusions, but I'd like to contribute to the topic: I have invested in Crypto.pm (https://crypto.pm/invest), and since I have invested, communication with Lemon has been very hard / near to impossible. This has been going on for a while and I haven't received on official (signed) confirmation of my ownership of the cryptoshares I paid for. I'm writing this down as a warning to others as this can look like a scam to some. Anyway don't get me wrong: I believe he'll come through and I hope he gets well soon. PS: If other Crypto.pm investors read this, it would be nice to get in touch! Are you referring to your GPG agreement or not receiving one at all? Edit: if you have not received a signed agreement then you are more than welcome to request a refund. We have already talked about this multiple times on IRC and I haven't received a reply on my last mail. I have received the written agreement and replied I was happy with the terms and then I have never received the GPG signed agreement. Due to my impatient nature, I have decided to go for the refund: I have sent a mail to both hello@citrus.pw and ryan@citrus.pw requesting a refund. I will reply to this topic as soon as I have received the refund (I imagine this would do a lot for your credibility at this point). As an update, I got a reply from Lemon quickly after: "As we have a record of an outgoing signed agreement, I will have to decide what our policy is in this situation." I have double-checked all my mail and have never received that agreement. I have replied to him once more (Thursday 20th June) insisting I would really like the refund regardless. Let's see what happens. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: astrolabe on June 21, 2013, 07:34:39 PM Someone suggested that Lemon was the subject of these links. Lemon if you're reading this, are they you?
https://twitter.com/Lemon_SX https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Senshimedia http://pastebin.com/JuHV0mEn Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Lemon on June 21, 2013, 10:33:53 PM I wouldn't be too quick to jump to conclusions, but I'd like to contribute to the topic: I have invested in Crypto.pm (https://crypto.pm/invest), and since I have invested, communication with Lemon has been very hard / near to impossible. This has been going on for a while and I haven't received on official (signed) confirmation of my ownership of the cryptoshares I paid for. I'm writing this down as a warning to others as this can look like a scam to some. Anyway don't get me wrong: I believe he'll come through and I hope he gets well soon. PS: If other Crypto.pm investors read this, it would be nice to get in touch! Are you referring to your GPG agreement or not receiving one at all? Edit: if you have not received a signed agreement then you are more than welcome to request a refund. We have already talked about this multiple times on IRC and I haven't received a reply on my last mail. I have received the written agreement and replied I was happy with the terms and then I have never received the GPG signed agreement. Due to my impatient nature, I have decided to go for the refund: I have sent a mail to both hello@citrus.pw and ryan@citrus.pw requesting a refund. I will reply to this topic as soon as I have received the refund (I imagine this would do a lot for your credibility at this point). As an update, I got a reply from Lemon quickly after: "As we have a record of an outgoing signed agreement, I will have to decide what our policy is in this situation." I have double-checked all my mail and have never received that agreement. I have replied to him once more (Thursday 20th June) insisting I would really like the refund regardless. Let's see what happens. Of the three people claiming that they never received an agreement, I can confirm that only one was never sent one. I have yet to decide what we will do in a scenario like this. Quote Someone suggested that Lemon was the subject of these links. Lemon if you're reading this, are they you? https://twitter.com/Lemon_SX https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Senshimedia http://pastebin.com/JuHV0mEn I don't see what my personal Twitter feed has to do with anything - other than the fact that there's some creepy stalking going on it seems, and I've publicized the ED link before - if people wish to believe it, then I would also like to sell them some tinfoil hats. The final link is pretty much cut and paste, bar the fact it is somebody bitching about a freely available service that I don't charge for. As for the person who appears to have leaked my personal cell number, given only four people in the Bitcoin community have it - you'll be happy to know I've passed all of your details along to the authorities to investigate who is calling and sending texts roughly 5 - 8 times a minute (automated service, seems to be via Twilio - whom I have also contacted). I am currently recovering from a verifiable heart attack, so I don't really find this crap funny. For the record, the text consists of messages such as "So how is <Location> hospital?" - people discovering the hospital after deciding to dig in to a posted image is nothing short of fucking creepy. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on June 21, 2013, 10:40:24 PM Additionally...
Lemon has been in contact with myself and another bitcoin-otc user (aldur1) fairly regularly. Albeit he is clearly having health issue - he did show aldur1 and I I'd like to point out that means he is not avoiding us, at least. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: San1ty on June 21, 2013, 10:50:48 PM I would like to suggest anyone involved to take it easy, those stalking calls are indeed very creepy and unnecessary.
Lemon: On the subject of Crypto.PM I am 100% sure I have never ever received the agreement, I would really appreciate a refund. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Lemon on June 21, 2013, 11:10:52 PM I would like to suggest anyone involved to take it easy, those stalking calls are indeed very creepy and unnecessary. Lemon: On the subject of Crypto.PM I am 100% sure I have never ever received the agreement, I would really appreciate a refund. I will take you at your word at that and handle it once I am able to. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: San1ty on June 21, 2013, 11:28:39 PM I would like to suggest anyone involved to take it easy, those stalking calls are indeed very creepy and unnecessary. Lemon: On the subject of Crypto.PM I am 100% sure I have never ever received the agreement, I would really appreciate a refund. I will take you at your word at that and handle it once I am able to. Thank you very much! Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on June 24, 2013, 04:49:10 PM I've been trying to make contact with Lemon for 3 days. I hope he is OK.
His medical history didn't sound too good :( Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on June 25, 2013, 12:13:19 PM Still nothing!
I did notice he has been online over the last 4 days - just no contact. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Lemon on June 25, 2013, 12:27:45 PM Still nothing! I did notice he has been online over the last 4 days - just no contact. I've been occasionally browsing the internet via wifi on my tablet, I don't have the energy to do pretty much -anything-. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: jim667 on June 25, 2013, 05:42:06 PM For the record, the text consists of messages such as "So how is <Location> hospital?" - people discovering the hospital after deciding to dig in to a posted image is nothing short of fucking creepy. I am no part of this nonsense and urge trolls to keep away from hospitals, irrespectively of Lemon being in one or not. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on June 28, 2013, 08:08:46 PM Lemon sent me a message a few days ago to say he was potentially returning home from the hospital. I notice he was active tonight again on the forum.
I've heard pretty much nothing for the last week and I am now beginning to assume the worst. I am very happy to be proven wrong as I had a lot of faith in Lemon and staunchly defended him throughout. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on June 30, 2013, 09:54:42 AM I guess its time to consider the money gone.
Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: San1ty on July 01, 2013, 01:20:46 PM I have been gone for a week, I still haven't heard anything from Lemon and haven't received my refund.
Does anyone have more info? Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: btcfaucet on July 03, 2013, 05:49:01 AM Quote from: San1ty I have been gone for a week, I still haven't heard anything from Lemon and haven't received my refund. Quote from: BigBitz I guess its time to consider the money gone. I've been occasionally browsing the internet via wifi on my tablet, I don't have the energy to do pretty much -anything-. As a user of computers and internet myself, my assessment is that sending bitcoins to someone (who you owe a considerable amount to) does not require more energy than browsing the internet and posting messages on Bitcointalk or Twitter. I gave Lemon the benefit of doubt even when he was weeks late and promised to deliver by the end of June (2 or 3 weeks ago), but at this point I'll just call it a scam. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: FaradayC on July 04, 2013, 06:50:57 PM Yup, seems like a scam to me... He owes me BTC for investing in his "company" too, he even agreed to pay me back, but then the bad salmon caused him to have a heart attack and he's too ill to click that pesky button...
Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on July 04, 2013, 06:55:41 PM Yup, seems like a scam to me... He owes me BTC for investing in his "company" too, he even agreed to pay me back, but then the bad salmon caused him to have a heart attack and he's too ill to click that pesky button... At least he's consistent. He told me bad salmon, food posioning and then a heart attack. I guess its perhaps time for us to focus our energies on getting back our funds. It seems, sadly, that Mr Lemon has not made right this mess. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Rawted on July 04, 2013, 07:22:20 PM LOL, i got the bad fish excuse as well!
Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on July 04, 2013, 08:20:31 PM LOL, i got the bad fish excuse as well! Recurring storylines ftw. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: San1ty on July 04, 2013, 08:34:55 PM Haven't heard from him since? Seems like you guys did?
Didn't he have a partner for Crypto.PM? Is there still a chance that one isn't a scam? Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Rawted on July 04, 2013, 08:35:07 PM Such a shame, he seemed like a really sharp guy, and the effort he displayed into getting crypto.pm off the ground seemed really promising.
Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Lemon on July 04, 2013, 10:45:18 PM People seem to think that my BTC is stored on my phone, which it is not. Food poisoning was caused by salmon, and independent of heart issues. The fact you are mocking severe health complications says a lot about your character, sadly.
You are welcome to take whatever steps you want to, though right now the only beneficial avenue would be to wave a magic wand to make me feel better. I am now out of the hospital - but am /not/ at home due to the fact being alone right now would be dangerous. I have had 2 people ask for my recovery location, but I quite frankly find this creepy - and will not be responding to it. Following on from prior phone harassment (which I have asked to be looked in to) - you can see why I have zero intent to disclose. crypto.pm will be going ahead - but likely without my involvement. My plan is to hand control of the framework and everything else to a willing third party following due dilligence. This is unless my health suddenly improves, which is unlikely. In other news, how the hell do t-waves flip? Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on July 05, 2013, 07:14:09 AM T-Wave inversion can suggest multiple issues although it depends on which lead.
I think if we had a magic wand we would wave it. You'll see the people owed funds are quite sympathetic however you, of all people, must realise what a motivator owed funds can be. I, for the record, wish you no harm, however, I do want mt BTC or GBP back and I would imagine this is the opinion of all parties involved. What do you think their due diligence will suggest when they find any donations/funding to previous ventures went straight to satoshi dice, though? Or should that be considered a personal avenue and not one appropirate for full disclosure under due diligence? Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Rawted on July 05, 2013, 03:16:52 PM People seem to think that my BTC is stored on my phone, which it is not. Food poisoning was caused by salmon, and independent of heart issues. The fact you are mocking severe health complications says a lot about your character, sadly. All this type, full of accusations and 'woe is me', and not one single shred of effort to explain or even hint at when you might make things better again. This is why people make humor of things, as it saves them from really speaking their minds in a malicious manner. You are welcome to take whatever steps you want to, though right now the only beneficial avenue would be to wave a magic wand to make me feel better. I am now out of the hospital - but am /not/ at home due to the fact being alone right now would be dangerous. I have had 2 people ask for my recovery location, but I quite frankly find this creepy - and will not be responding to it. Following on from prior phone harassment (which I have asked to be looked in to) - you can see why I have zero intent to disclose. crypto.pm will be going ahead - but likely without my involvement. My plan is to hand control of the framework and everything else to a willing third party following due dilligence. This is unless my health suddenly improves, which is unlikely. In other news, how the hell do t-waves flip? Let's see if your next post is any different. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Lemon on July 05, 2013, 04:50:03 PM People seem to think that my BTC is stored on my phone, which it is not. Food poisoning was caused by salmon, and independent of heart issues. The fact you are mocking severe health complications says a lot about your character, sadly. All this type, full of accusations and 'woe is me', and not one single shred of effort to explain or even hint at when you might make things better again. This is why people make humor of things, as it saves them from really speaking their minds in a malicious manner. You are welcome to take whatever steps you want to, though right now the only beneficial avenue would be to wave a magic wand to make me feel better. I am now out of the hospital - but am /not/ at home due to the fact being alone right now would be dangerous. I have had 2 people ask for my recovery location, but I quite frankly find this creepy - and will not be responding to it. Following on from prior phone harassment (which I have asked to be looked in to) - you can see why I have zero intent to disclose. crypto.pm will be going ahead - but likely without my involvement. My plan is to hand control of the framework and everything else to a willing third party following due dilligence. This is unless my health suddenly improves, which is unlikely. In other news, how the hell do t-waves flip? Let's see if your next post is any different. It is hard to give a timescale when I have no way of predicting the future of my health, there's a better than even chance that I will end up back in hospital within the next day or two. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on July 05, 2013, 04:52:08 PM People seem to think that my BTC is stored on my phone, which it is not. Food poisoning was caused by salmon, and independent of heart issues. The fact you are mocking severe health complications says a lot about your character, sadly. All this type, full of accusations and 'woe is me', and not one single shred of effort to explain or even hint at when you might make things better again. This is why people make humor of things, as it saves them from really speaking their minds in a malicious manner. You are welcome to take whatever steps you want to, though right now the only beneficial avenue would be to wave a magic wand to make me feel better. I am now out of the hospital - but am /not/ at home due to the fact being alone right now would be dangerous. I have had 2 people ask for my recovery location, but I quite frankly find this creepy - and will not be responding to it. Following on from prior phone harassment (which I have asked to be looked in to) - you can see why I have zero intent to disclose. crypto.pm will be going ahead - but likely without my involvement. My plan is to hand control of the framework and everything else to a willing third party following due dilligence. This is unless my health suddenly improves, which is unlikely. In other news, how the hell do t-waves flip? Let's see if your next post is any different. It is hard to give a timescale when I have no way of predicting the future of my health, there's a better than even chance that I will end up back in hospital within the next day or two. Satoshi Dice, anyone? Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Rawted on July 05, 2013, 05:08:29 PM People seem to think that my BTC is stored on my phone, which it is not. Food poisoning was caused by salmon, and independent of heart issues. The fact you are mocking severe health complications says a lot about your character, sadly. All this type, full of accusations and 'woe is me', and not one single shred of effort to explain or even hint at when you might make things better again. This is why people make humor of things, as it saves them from really speaking their minds in a malicious manner. You are welcome to take whatever steps you want to, though right now the only beneficial avenue would be to wave a magic wand to make me feel better. I am now out of the hospital - but am /not/ at home due to the fact being alone right now would be dangerous. I have had 2 people ask for my recovery location, but I quite frankly find this creepy - and will not be responding to it. Following on from prior phone harassment (which I have asked to be looked in to) - you can see why I have zero intent to disclose. crypto.pm will be going ahead - but likely without my involvement. My plan is to hand control of the framework and everything else to a willing third party following due dilligence. This is unless my health suddenly improves, which is unlikely. In other news, how the hell do t-waves flip? Let's see if your next post is any different. It is hard to give a timescale when I have no way of predicting the future of my health, there's a better than even chance that I will end up back in hospital within the next day or two. For a worldwide martial arts champion/lawyer/gaming industry tycoon, you sure do lack commitment and common sense. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Damnsammit on July 05, 2013, 05:10:12 PM Then suck it up, have someone drive you to your house, and spend the 2 minutes it takes to send out people's btc? You seem to be finding every reason not to. If you know you may end up in the hospital again in 2 days, why not make things right today? For a worldwide martial arts champion/lawyer/gaming industry tycoon, you sure do lack commitment and common sense. That makes too much sense. It's clear he is just going to string you guys along and then he will probably make a new account that posts up a fake obituary claiming that he is dead. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: btcfaucet on July 05, 2013, 05:50:17 PM I can't help but notice that he didn't even touch the subject of investments going to Satoshi Dice, as it was found out some weeks ago when the investors revealed the deposit address(es). For anyone who missed out on the fun while it lasted (on IRC), here's the summary. Quote from: Lemon <+Lemon> I was born in the US, moved away over 2 decades ago. < Lemon> I grew up in Japan. < Orbixx> Lemon: You grew up in Japan huh? < Lemon> 2 years in Tokyo, 6 in Kyoto. <+Lemon> Japan, then the UK! < Lemon> No, I have a Japanese sports car. <+Lemon> 39% return on my automated trading algorithm thus far. Muahahahaha. < Lemon> FATTY is turning over a solid 1% per hour now, was at 39% profit after 36 hours. < Lemon> 1% per hour thus far. <+Lemon> a5m0, I'm setting FATTY loose to see if it can build up a pre-launch reserve. < Lemon> I want to feed FATTY a good 100BTC. < Lemon> Feed it in to the "FATTY". < Lemon> It all goes in to FATTY anyway. < Lemon> iwilcox, join FATTY when it's ready. < Lemon> FATTY had a good run. < Lemon> I'm a lawyer by original trade :-). < Lemon> (I'm platform architect and the law guru). < Lemon> I'm an accredited lawyer. < Lemon> Free, I'm a friendly lawyer. :-) < Lemon> As an idea, I generally charge a good £6k per month minimum. < Lemon> I was the good kind of lawyer. < Lemon> We lawyers are all evil after all. <+Lemon> I'm the worst (qualified) lawyer in the world. < Lemon> coingenuity, I'm the worst lawyer in the world. < Lemon> Graduated Oxford Law many a year ago. < Lemon> As your lawyer. < Lemon> I can do the whole scary lawyer thing. <+Lemon> And my super lawyer sense is telling me this. <+Lemon> As a lawyer, I was taught not to believe in coincidences. < Lemon> I'm his lawyer, I'll recommend it to him. < Lemon> I STILL AM A LAWYER <+Lemon> My background is law. <+Lemon> Part of my original speciality in law was dealing with people with depression, anxiety and a wide range of mental health issues. <+Lemon> We say lawyer, solicitor or barrister. As I am no longer giving representation in court and provide advisory services - a "lawyer" is what I am referred to as. < Lemon> Source: I'm a fucking lawyer. < Lemon> coingenuity, I'm actually a lawyer. < Lemon> zveda, I'm a lawyer by trade. < Lemon> designdream, I'm a lawyer. Somebody requested me to. < Lemon> blognewb, I'm a lawyer - stalking people is something I'm good at. <+Lemon> Half16, drop me a PM. As a lawyer, I can help you confirm - you don't want to mistakenly post the wrong information. < Lemon> Azelphur, my background is law - let me know if you want any advice. I've dealt with shitty landlords and HMRC far too many times for my liking. < Lemon> phantomcircuit, I can tell you from several years of law school, experience, and working in the financial industry. <+Lemon> scrybe, I'm a lawyer - that means you can trust me. Give me all your Bitcoins. < Lemon> Yes, the lawyer who has offered to meet each and every investor in person is totally a scammer. < Lemon> You should have just invested in mine. < Lemon> Investment itself is a gamble. < Lemon> All investors are gamblers at heart. < Lemon> But as per any investment, always assume risk. < Lemon> Companies in the UK, certain parts of Europe - generally safer investments. <+Lemon> I do tech/investment crap now. <+Lemon> Aside from that, I invest in tech and start-up crap. <+Lemon> Lawyer by qualification, tech/invest crap by practice. <+Lemon> Lawyer who ended up in tech/investments. < Lemon> I went from law in to tech/investments. <+Lemon> I'm an investor. <+Lemon> Dabble, I'm a tech investor now. < Lemon> Technologov, FIAT investment comes directly from me - and I've got plenty to burn. <+Lemon> Had an interesting suggestion in regards to investing directly in to the exchange via BTC in order to offset costs. Not sure if it's worth pursuing though, hrmm. <+Lemon> Want to turn 1 BTC in to a predicted $14,000 within a year? Take a look at the following page of pure sexiness. -- https://crypto.pm/invest < Lemon> But we're looking at a public share based investment for 40% of what we need. < Lemon> iwilcox, I was approached by a chinese investor. < Lemon> bitnumus, potential investors are more than welcome to meet with the team in person. < Lemon> dabble, we have a considerable amount of investment - this is not my first start-up by a long shot. < Lemon> mythan, https://crypto.pm/invest < Lemon> a5m0, https://crypto.pm/invest < Lemon> csc`, we're offering up 40% of the crypto.pm profits to the general public to test public BTC investment amongst other things. :-) < Dabble> Lemon, I thought you had the money/backers already :D < Lemon> If it doesn't work, we have money. < Lemon> Selling up to 800 BTC at current market rate. Highly trusted buyers only. < CaptainBlaze> hey lemon, why the 800btc sell? Thought you had it all tied up in cold storage/long term hold? < Lemon> That's just some of it. <@Lemon> If as a result of these changed profit projection you would like to retract your investment, please let me know. We thought we would give you the chance since this calculation issue rests entirely with us. I can only apologize for any confusion caused. If you would like to continue with your investment, please let me know - and Crytography LTD will send out your dividend agreement later today. < Lemon> Selling 3 of the last 17 nuPlay Arcturus Prototypes ( https://nuplay.co/ ) at 2 BTC per device. Retails for £149.99 normally, shipping included. < Lemon> Drop an email to sales@nuplay.co and Ellie will send you one however. < Lemon> Selling 10 x nuPlay Arcturus prototype devices ( https://nuplay.co/store/prototype ) for 10 BTC total, retail value of £149.99 each (£1,499.99 total) - these are the last devices available on the market. You can either have the devices shipped to you, or have us sell them on your behalf at full price on the site. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: notlist3d on July 06, 2013, 05:41:25 AM I have no dog in this battle. But if he is in hospital it does get VERY expensive. BUT they dont make you pay it then. It goes as a debt owed to them (assuming your insurance does not cover). Is reason he cant pay lost wages due to being in hospital or hospital expense?
Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on July 06, 2013, 06:11:12 AM I have no dog in this battle. But if he is in hospital it does get VERY expensive. BUT they dont make you pay it then. It goes as a debt owed to them (assuming your insurance does not cover). Is reason he cant pay lost wages due to being in hospital or hospital expense? Is that the case in the UK? Because in Australia, you do not get hit with a hospital bill.Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on July 06, 2013, 10:55:28 AM I have no dog in this battle. But if he is in hospital it does get VERY expensive. BUT they dont make you pay it then. It goes as a debt owed to them (assuming your insurance does not cover). Is reason he cant pay lost wages due to being in hospital or hospital expense? Lemon lives in UK.Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Damnsammit on July 06, 2013, 01:22:44 PM pretty sure that NHS would cover that... so it should be free.. would love to hear his excuses though.
He might as well just be saying "I don't feel like paying you back now" Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: DiamondCardz on July 06, 2013, 07:00:29 PM You don't get hospital bills in the UK unless you use private healthcare. He probably uses the NHS.
Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Kruniac on July 08, 2013, 01:54:16 AM I would like to suggest anyone involved to take it easy, those stalking calls are indeed very creepy and unnecessary. Poor guy. Has a "heart attack" and people stalk him. That's messed up. BTW Lemon - I have an amazing investment opportunity, if you're interested. You seem to have a few spare BTC laying around. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on July 08, 2013, 11:20:42 AM So, Lemon...
Where are we now with ref to return of funds or allocation of Bitcoin? I think we've given you quite enough time. I don't *really* want to go down the legal avenue but I guess with all things considered it might be the only method of getting some funds back. I guess if you want to pursue the legal route you'd need to give me your valid address - a PM is fine, of course. Being a Solictor/Lawyer I think you'll understand that a mail forwarding address isn't really appropriate as I would be sending all correspondence as signed for. Audit trail and all that, eh? :) Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Kruniac on July 08, 2013, 06:44:42 PM I'm actually interested in this situation. I'm especially curious to see if any legal avenues against Lemon turn out better than the ones against me. XD
Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on July 08, 2013, 09:04:46 PM I'm actually interested in this situation. I'm especially curious to see if any legal avenues against Lemon turn out better than the ones against me. XD But I thought you never did anything wrong? :o ::)Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: iwilcox on July 08, 2013, 10:16:58 PM Poor guy. Has a "heart attack" and people stalk him. That's messed up. Are you suggesting Lemon basically lifted a scam idea from an episode (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007b6g0) of Only Fools & Horses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcrsW8CAC5s)? http://www.ofah.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/chains.jpg For anyone who missed out on the fun while it lasted (on IRC), here's the summary. ..., ninja/black belt in everything, US army trained, designed and built the UK faster payment system, was the first man on the moon, has met absolutely any important person or celebrity you might care to name, etc, etc (http://www.davidpbrown.co.uk/jokes/college-application.html)... For 27, quite a list of accomplishments. For those of you inspired by Lemon's successes in life and wanting to be more like him, remember that you can't change overnight; set yourself some more modest goals, or you'll only disappoint yourself. May I suggest you would-be Lemons:
Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Kruniac on July 09, 2013, 02:00:00 AM I'm actually interested in this situation. I'm especially curious to see if any legal avenues against Lemon turn out better than the ones against me. XD But I thought you never did anything wrong? :o ::)Of course not! I'm as legit as they come. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: San1ty on July 10, 2013, 10:12:39 AM Lemon, Are you still reading this? Any plans on refunding?
Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on July 10, 2013, 11:05:09 AM Lemon, Are you still reading this? Any plans on refunding? He's been online.I'd say he's been reading. He's now making his escape and ignoring the posts though. how should we proceed? Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: San1ty on July 10, 2013, 12:10:49 PM Lemon, Are you still reading this? Any plans on refunding? He's been online.I'd say he's been reading. He's now making his escape and ignoring the posts though. how should we proceed? If he truly scammed us there's not much we can do I guess. Legal action wouldn't help out and would bring a lot of frustration. The BTC is gone, I think we have to deal with it. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on July 10, 2013, 04:10:48 PM Lemon, Are you still reading this? Any plans on refunding? He's been online.I'd say he's been reading. He's now making his escape and ignoring the posts though. how should we proceed? If he truly scammed us there's not much we can do I guess. Legal action wouldn't help out and would bring a lot of frustration. The BTC is gone, I think we have to deal with it. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Rawted on July 10, 2013, 04:20:01 PM Lemon, Are you still reading this? Any plans on refunding? He's been online.I'd say he's been reading. He's now making his escape and ignoring the posts though. how should we proceed? If he truly scammed us there's not much we can do I guess. Legal action wouldn't help out and would bring a lot of frustration. The BTC is gone, I think we have to deal with it. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Lemon on July 10, 2013, 08:46:37 PM Quote Then suck it up, have someone drive you to your house, and spend the 2 minutes it takes to send out people's btc? You seem to be finding every reason not to. If you know you may end up in the hospital again in 2 days, why not make things right today? Would you mind giving your private key and bank account login details to a number of people? Suck it up. Lemon, Are you still reading this? Any plans on refunding? He's been online.I'd say he's been reading. He's now making his escape and ignoring the posts though. how should we proceed? Have I been? That's news to me. What I've been doing is sleeping and recovering, and now I'm home - speaking with the police over the actions of some of the users of this forum (I can only assume that you are one of them). Having gone through my complete history, I see no record of any bank details passed to me - despite requests for it. I do not see any recent emails from anybody, or anything of much interest at all. What I do see, are some users going to members of the public via various channels - and attempting to defame me directly. It's rather hilarious. I would like to clarify that the only two people that are owed any form of anything via me personally, are BigBitz and Jim. Anybody claiming otherwise is full of shit. I have three people claiming that they did not receive an agreement from Cryptography LTD (whom your agreement was with, not me - keep that in mind), yet I have evidence to the contrary. A single (valid from start) refund request has come in, which I have seen today as I check through my backlog. As BigBitz has apparently started proceedings, I will hold off on any action relating to him until I see court paperwork arrive. iwilcox and btcfaucet can act as menacing as they like on the forums, it is nothing short of fucking hilarious. They wouldn't say boo to a fly in real life, yet they see fit to attempt the act of defamation on the internet. Oh, my sides hurt from the laughter. I do find it funny that people are claiming things in relation to the NHS. For one thing, the NHS would cover all fees - secondly, my Bupa is well up to date. If people wish to contact me in relation to anything, they can do it via email - I will not be responding to this thread again (or so much as checking on it). I've counted 5 people claiming they're owed things who I've never done business with, which is pitiful. Let's make it a good dozen at least. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: DiamondCardz on July 10, 2013, 08:49:47 PM Guys, you have kinda been assholes to Lemon. This thing called medical issues does exist, and while it's a common scam excuse, the fact he actually *kept* in some form of contact was a sign.
He also stated the reason why he wasn't posting...you guys really can be ignorant :-\ Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Lemon on July 10, 2013, 09:01:03 PM One last post, since clicking edit would be far too much effort. A special thank you to those fuckwits who kept continually trying to harass me during my recovery - I would like to give a big thanks to you for having such a detrimental effect on my recovery.
Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: TheButterZone on July 10, 2013, 09:01:31 PM Guys, you have kinda been assholes to Lemon. This thing called medical issues does exist, and while it's a common scam excuse, the fact he actually *kept* in some form of contact was a sign. It's not a sign (of innocence) at all. I can't recall anyone in bitcoindom who has taken people's funds, defaulted, and not stayed around to taunt their victims (and play the victim, despite suffering no physical harm and pretending to have skin as thin as a single layer of carbon nanotubes) for some period of time. supadupajenkins, aethero, kruniac, pirateat40, ad nauseam et infinitum. It's utterly predictable. Asshole pattern matching gets asshole visceral responses. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: San1ty on July 10, 2013, 09:04:34 PM I would like to clarify that the only two people that are owed any form of anything via me personally, are BigBitz and Jim. Anybody claiming otherwise is full of shit. I have three people claiming that they did not receive an agreement from Cryptography LTD (whom your agreement was with, not me - keep that in mind), yet I have evidence to the contrary. A single (valid from start) refund request has come in, which I have seen today as I check through my backlog. Lemon Is that one valid refund request from me? I sure hope so? Also if I were able to get into contact with someone else besides you from Crypto.PM for my refund, I would do so. Please direct me to someone else I can contact to get my refund processed. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on July 10, 2013, 09:14:33 PM Lemon to avoid me wasting my time & little money I'd just like my BTC. If this is a problem then I will provide you with bank details to refund my GBP.
Court, lawyers, etc etc I couldn't care less for. I've done pretty much nothing but offer you defense throughout this process - it's clearly being misaligned. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: AndyRossy on July 11, 2013, 02:14:34 AM Lemon to avoid me wasting my time & little money I'd just like my BTC. If this is a problem then I will provide you with bank details to refund my GBP. Court, lawyers, etc etc I couldn't care less for. I've done pretty much nothing but offer you defense throughout this process - it's clearly being misaligned. You were a douche in my thread on currency exchange a couple weeks ago. Doesnt shock me you've acted like a douche here to Lemon. :( Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: DiamondCardz on July 11, 2013, 05:25:00 AM I've done pretty much nothing but offer you defense throughout this process - it's clearly being misaligned. That's total bullshit, lmao. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on July 11, 2013, 06:40:57 AM I've done pretty much nothing but offer you defense throughout this process - it's clearly being misaligned. That's total bullshit, lmao. I was, along with a few others, a staunch defender of him in the beginning. I'm clearly no longer of this opinion. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: btcfaucet on July 11, 2013, 04:36:13 PM Quote iwilcox and btcfaucet can act as menacing as they like on the forums I was one of the few people trying to calm everyone down, telling them that you asked until the end of the month (which was weeks from then) to pay back money. I don't find it plausible that for over a month there's no way to make a bank transfer to someone you owe. Surely you had to pay for stuff since then. My accusation that you're a scammer is based on simple logic and a subjective opinion of those things you said in public which I quoted. I don't have any money riding on this, but I can certainly add my opinion if I want to. Quote They wouldn't say boo to a fly in real life You're right about that, I'm a completely peaceful guy. Relevance? Quote yet they see fit to attempt the act of defamation on the internet Defamation? I think the bad salmon is still affecting your judgement. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: iwilcox on July 12, 2013, 10:53:41 AM Then suck it up, have someone drive you to your house, and spend the 2 minutes it takes to send out people's btc? Would you mind giving your private key and bank account login details to a number of people? Suck it up. *sigh* Straw man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man). Nobody is suggesting you give out login credentials; if they were, why bother driving you anywhere? ... play the victim, despite suffering no physical harm and pretending to have skin as thin as a single layer of carbon nanotubes ... It's utterly predictable. ... ... speaking with the police over the actions of some of the users of this forum (I can only assume that you are one of them) ... ... iwilcox and btcfaucet can act as menacing as they like ... ... those fuckwits who kept continually trying to harass me during my recovery ... "menacing" must refer to: collecting your fantasy claims and quoting them back, pointing out your slimy evasive habits and asking you difficult questions. I don't think the word means what you think it does, which makes me question (for the first time, which is a bit embarrassing for me) whether you ever got harassed, at all, by anyone, unless by "harassed" you mean "they continually asked me for their money back, like so many others have". Sounds like an imagined crime (and an equally imaginary of pursuit of justice) which you've created to make readers conclude that anyone with a bad word to say about you might be a perpetrator. Naturally, there's no way to falsify/verify a word of it. *yawn*. ... Having gone through my complete history, I see no record ... ... If people wish to contact me in relation to anything, they can do it via email - I will not be responding to this thread again ... Uh-huh. Incredible bad luck with electronic communications: check. Driving enquiries off public forums so that it's your creditors' word against yours: check. San1ty openly requests (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237537.msg2529699#msg2529699) and later openly asks for confirmation of receipt (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237537.msg2701421#msg2701421) of his refund request, but of course, you've stopped reading this thread so can't confirm anything in a verifiable way. A single (valid from start) refund request has come in, which I have seen today as I check through my backlog. Sure, because your director and two silent partners couldn't have handled that in the past month; it had to be you. To quote myself, is that perhaps because crypto.pm was only ever just you, sitting alone in your flat in your underwear (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=176756.msg1992409#msg1992409)? I've counted 5 people claiming they're owed things who I've never done business with, which is pitiful. Let's make it a good dozen at least. Really? 'cause I've counted jim667, BigBitz asking for their loans back, both of which you confirmed you owed; San1ty, FaradayC, Rawted asking for their crypto.pm investments back, at least San1ty's confirmed by you, and Azelphur asking for promised paperwork. Let's be charitable and ignore the nuPlay thing you seem to have promised to a bunch of people, so I'm not claiming you owe me or them anything. By my maths that's two people (FaradayC, Rawted) making claims the public can't verify. You seem to have let your guard down momentarily and made a claim about communications in a medium that's verifiable/falsifiable. Sloppy. But fear not: while those claimants could probably sign challenges using the Bitcoin addresses they sent from (I believe someone has a record of your "investment" addresses) verifiably proving beyond reasonable doubt that they did business with you, you're always free to belatedly create GPG-signed agreements; you could easily conjure up e-mails whether you sent them or not, and they can't prove a negative (non-receipt). Phew! E-mail to the rescue. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on July 12, 2013, 12:48:56 PM I have been told I will be paid today.
Let's wait and see. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on July 12, 2013, 01:57:06 PM I will be expecting payment here:
1gUQUrBWm9SKckR9fdKarKiiqVvJQbWUi Keep an eye on it. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: iwilcox on July 12, 2013, 03:32:25 PM I'd speculate ... that the timing of its disappearance just after I posted potentially embarrassing links to it here is pure coincidence[1][2]. Doncha just hate link rot? Google to the rescue; cached copies of the four most recent threads can (for now, at least) be found at:
The two more embarrassing nuPlay posts seem to have left Google's cache. Google doesn't say why; might have expired, might have received a removal request. Since the nuPlay forum is still "currently in the midst of an upgrade to allow for software integration" (https://nuplay.co/forum/)[1] here are copies I took with WebCite, plus snapshots-of-Google-cache which I took with archive.is immediately after the originals disappeared:
[1] To an outsider, the three weeks of forum downtime while Lemon (Ryan) has been ill might suggest nobody else in nuPlay's team (https://nuplay.co/team) is pulling their weight --- no wonder he's been so busy and unhealthy! The mind boggles as to how team member "Simon" whose role is nominally "Getting people to actually converse on the forums" has been earning his keep at nuPlay. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on July 12, 2013, 07:20:12 PM I will be expecting payment here: Still nothing. 1gUQUrBWm9SKckR9fdKarKiiqVvJQbWUi Keep an eye on it. Lemon had told me his bitcoin client is syncing. Last update was 97% about 20mins ago. We will see within the hour I suspect. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: DiamondCardz on July 12, 2013, 07:22:03 PM I will be expecting payment here: Still nothing. 1gUQUrBWm9SKckR9fdKarKiiqVvJQbWUi Keep an eye on it. Lemon had told me his bitcoin client is syncing. Last update was 97% about 20mins ago. We will see within the hour I suspect. A 3% sync does not occur in 1 hour. The last couple percent are a massive drag. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: btcfaucet on July 13, 2013, 12:21:42 AM We will see within the hour I suspect. Token payback or not, I wish you success in getting your money / coins back. I know what it feels like to wait a long time and keep hearing promises and excuses. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on July 13, 2013, 09:34:36 AM We will see within the hour I suspect. Token payback or not, I wish you success in getting your money / coins back. I know what it feels like to wait a long time and keep hearing promises and excuses. Such a shame. If I'd known he had blue hair I'd have probably not bothered :o https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/3782645510/3a57d8727a6c1c3ed7d082d10935c0fc.jpeg Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on July 13, 2013, 11:08:33 AM For anyone owed money from crypto.pm investment I suggest you try these links:
http://companycheck.co.uk/director/917780085 http://companycheck.co.uk/company/08505571/CRYPTOGRAPHY-LTD/company-summary That's who, in legal terms, owes you anything. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: btcfaucet on July 13, 2013, 11:05:51 PM For anyone owed money from crypto.pm investment I suggest you try these links: They they invest money too? Not "just" BTC? Also, did he actually promise to send shortly after syncing the client etc the other day? If he wasn't going to send, why do it? I don't get it. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on July 16, 2013, 03:09:17 PM Anyone who has been scammed in anyway be it Bitcoin, USD/GBP/EUR etc or offered legal representation etc please PM me all details.
Thanks. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Rawted on July 16, 2013, 04:47:35 PM For anyone owed money from crypto.pm investment I suggest you try these links: They they invest money too? Not "just" BTC? Also, did he actually promise to send shortly after syncing the client etc the other day? If he wasn't going to send, why do it? I don't get it. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Rawted on July 21, 2013, 04:08:30 PM Any word gents?
Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: San1ty on July 30, 2013, 01:21:49 PM Unbelievable how long he tried to convince people of his intention of refunding.
Well this case is closed - Hardcore Scam Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Rawted on August 19, 2013, 03:25:56 AM Yup. What a scumbum. This industry is fucking chock full of them.
Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: megaproxy on September 01, 2013, 11:21:34 AM This guy is a known scammer.
Its a shame i didn't see this post before. We have a whole document on him. https://docs.google.com/document/d/169lniPjVjfuyFhHcfKaGWCUSMRg527j2_yLXkEU7uXs/pub If you are in the UK and have been scammed (by Affi or anyone) please report it to http://www.actionfraud.org.uk/ - you can also report attempted scams, or scams that happened to other people (with their permission) Please remove this post if it breaks any rules. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: DiamondCardz on September 01, 2013, 02:07:23 PM Oh, that's a very nice dox.
Good work. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Rawted on September 03, 2013, 03:40:00 PM Updates on this bum yet? I noticed he went private on all his social media, probably still scamming along.
Where's the repayments, Ryan? Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Zakryze on October 07, 2013, 01:11:45 PM Updates on this bum yet? I noticed he went private on all his social media, probably still scamming along. There won't be much of a repayment...Where's the repayments, Ryan? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=306947.msg3283308;boardseen#new Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on October 07, 2013, 01:19:03 PM Updates on this bum yet? I noticed he went private on all his social media, probably still scamming along. There won't be much of a repayment...Where's the repayments, Ryan? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=306947.msg3283308;boardseen#new He was released on bail for now and his computers/phones seized. It's a long term game for the Police to catch him. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: San1ty on October 07, 2013, 01:28:31 PM Hey BigBitz, I'd still like that 10 BTC back he owes me. If you have any updates on him, please post here.
Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Paxman2 on May 09, 2014, 12:11:39 AM Ryan Francis Gentle, born 17/12/86 in Freedom Fields Hospital, Plymouth.
Couldn't even find Japan on a map, let alone live there for the years he claims to have. Black belt in origami, and no more a qualified lawyer than my dog. It's actually his sister who has had the health problems - his are all in his head. I bet one of your bitcoins that there is not one person who has actually had any success in getting any joy from Ryan. He is a modern day Walter Mitty with only intentions of ripping people off. So Ryan, if you're reading this - give it a fucking rest. It's getting boring now. Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: koshgel on May 09, 2014, 12:46:12 AM Wtf hahah This guy is a fucking sociopath. What is it about bitcoin that attracts these bottom feeders
Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: campycoin on August 02, 2014, 01:29:53 PM Updates on this bum yet? I noticed he went private on all his social media, probably still scamming along. There won't be much of a repayment...Where's the repayments, Ryan? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=306947.msg3283308;boardseen#new He was released on bail for now and his computers/phones seized. It's a long term game for the Police to catch him. I'm probably years late here but isn't lemon or Ryan...... this dude? https://twitter.com/rmgard and his girl https://twitter.com/CrystalGard owner of http://www.umgardi.ca/ ? Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: BigBitz on August 02, 2014, 02:54:20 PM Updates on this bum yet? I noticed he went private on all his social media, probably still scamming along. There won't be much of a repayment...Where's the repayments, Ryan? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=306947.msg3283308;boardseen#new He was released on bail for now and his computers/phones seized. It's a long term game for the Police to catch him. I'm probably years late here but isn't lemon or Ryan...... this dude? https://twitter.com/rmgard and his girl https://twitter.com/CrystalGard owner of http://www.umgardi.ca/ ? Title: Re: Lemon - defaulted loan Post by: Rawted on October 16, 2014, 03:39:25 PM Lemon is back scamming again. Portraying himself as Alex Green, and scammed everyone under the Moolah umbrella. This dog needs to be put down.
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