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Hi there,

I was so excited with the result of Zotac P104-100 in ETH/ETC mining.
Setting rig: 7 GPUs P106-100 + 1 GPU P104-100.
Power limit: 65%
Core: +30
Mem: +600
Average Hashrate: P106-100 - 24.33 Mh/s; P104-100 - 37.71 Mh/s and ~39 Mh/s at high OC
OS: Window 10 Fall Creator.

For quick reference: https://imgur.com/mmEygyR

https://i.imgur.com/mmEygyR.jpg

High OC setting, very stable as few days of running: average 39 Mh/s

For quick reference: https://imgur.com/2nkpdep

https://i.imgur.com/2nkpdep.png

I have just made a quick test for Equihash algorithm, at the basic OC I didnt push it much, it could achieve 470sol/s for ZEC.
Memory is GGDR5X Micron, so basically 39 Mh/s for ETH/ETC, that's really impressive!
Please take a look on setting and P104-100 GPU info below. It's nice GPU I think.

For quick reference: https://imgur.com/a/ga8Zq

https://i.imgur.com/zysL0mA.png

People asked me about the cooling/power pin/back plate of my testing GPU, so I would like to give some pics for your interests:

1. Power pin: 8-pin standard: https://imgur.com/YD8yLad

https://i.imgur.com/YD8yLad.jpg

2. Backplate: https://imgur.com/uRO8mO0

https://i.imgur.com/uRO8mO0.jpg

3. Cooling fan design: https://imgur.com/a/jgKwq

https://i.imgur.com/90mHajT.jpg

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It's been a while since I created this topic. And today I would like to show you guys some pic of MSI P104-100 which was presented in Computex 2018 Taipei.
There're more asics miners are coming but hopefully GPU mining community will be stronger.

https://i.imgur.com/R55xU1A.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/xUe46Kw.jpg

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Edit: updated to June.15/2018 - added some MSI P104-100 from Computex 2018 Taipei.
 

nice, where did ya buy that zotac gpu from?

We're having businesses with a big local distributor. He gets just few P104-100 for the first batch.
And before making the deal for P104-100, he gave us 1 GPU for testing. Havent had the info about price yet, but we expect it should be less than 440$.

Seems nice. But low resale value, and limited warranty are a big issue.  ::)

would be great to have a rig of 6x of them doin eth 37 mh per is danm good

Yes, you may be right. But actually we dont care much about that guarantee and resale to gamer.
We purchased a lot of P106-100 before. Just making some test and we're considering the next step with P104-100 if its price is reasonable.
We mined with P106-100 already more than 4 months, so far so good.

It is totally a waste of a GPU to mine ETH when there are more profitable coins with double the profit.

Zotac P104 in VietNam come with 12 months guarantee

Following

In somehow you are right. This is just the test as I promised in other thread for P104-100.
I'm not sure is it better to mine other altcoins than ETH, but market is smart to regulate the ROI, so until now we just focus on ETH only.
We have few 1070 rigs to mine altcoins as well, but not that much.

So the hashrate is a little bit higher than the hashrate reported as in announcement of Inno3D:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/inno3d-p104-100-crypto-mining-accelerator,36106.html

What's the price? 

I was quoted $440-460 for the price.

It is indeed a nice result from a 1080 GPU. Looking forward to te see these on the shelves.

Already got at Vietnam?

What's the Equihash performance?

Really it should be good for you guys. The local distributor here only guarantee for us in 3 months.
We havent signed the contract yet, but we dont expect that much, 3 months like P106-100 is ok.

The distributor hasnt told us the price yet, but I think it will be range as your quotation.
Actually our group are dealing with him for about 440$. He always gives us good price but this is the very first batch, so thing may be different.

It uses the x version. The specs were revealed 2 months ago, now it seems they have for sale in some places, this is just an optimized gtx 1080 for mining, more like memory timings and other minor things for mining.

Just checked. It's GDDR5X memory, my test is done with Micron not Samsung. But 37.7Mh/s is very impressive.

Does it take the same drivers as regular gaming videocards?

This is a perfect gpu mining for noobs, nothing to do, plug and play and the speed is great. The 3 months warranty is bad though.

whats the power draw @37 eth and @450 equihash?

Of course, driver is the same from Nvidia. As in figure, driver 388.71 ver 23.21.13.8871

No display output right? I ask this cause some mining cards have display output and some don't.

@ shibob

GPU 3: 72C at 72% fan rpm.

What was the card layout like.
Is this the average temps to be expected or were you running the cards closer to each other than normal.
Open air case?

Looks like 180 watt TDP also. 

Yes you're right. It's dedicated mining GPU likes P106-100.
Actually it's not the problem when I dont tend to resale it to gamer.

2 fans intake and the hot air of each GPU flows back, I think its cooling is not really good.
I use open air frame, 72C was the temp when I made the very first test, as in the following tests, average temp is about 55C with a medium speed fan flow directly to the rig.
The power is 172W for ZEC mining so basically its TDP might be 180W.

Hi kanelor, for 470 sol/s Equihash algo, it draws about 170W.
For ETH at 39 Mh/s I will come back to my farm next week and test with single P104-100 to check power.

Any chance you could try this with neoscrypt? Looking forward.

what's the best for GPU miners? And how many miners does it support??

That isn't very good sols per watt.  Regular 1070's can do 450-500 sols at 130w.  Need to find a good memory comput algo other than ETH to test with.

Yes you're right! Until now we just plan to use it for mining ETH as what we did with P106-100.
By the way, its price is expected cheaper than 1070.

for example ?

Yeah you may be right. Btw, which altcoin you're preferring?

I strongly believe in the future of ETH, thus, I just focus on mining ETH.
For other altcoins, some of them are good as well. But the market is very smart, it will regulate the profit quickly.
So basically, finding some outperform altcoins to mine is not that easy, or you may spend more time on switching between them.

Tht is reported hashrate, how about *current hashrate show? Is it stable?
10mins could mine handle share accepted on that card?

Where can we buy it in the US?
Also, any comparisons with Gigabyte version?
Thanks.

I requested price from some solid sources.
And will call my account manager to see if they will deliver them as special order. Its not in their catalog yet.

he lies ....  same card memory 29 hvy oc 31  unstable 32

Verge, Lux, Bulwark, GoByte, Vivo - right now they are more profitable and you can convert these coins to ETH/ZEC anyway.
But let's not go offtopic, I did not realize in the first place that this thread was about sharing info about an unreleased card.

Few days of mining ETH, stable at 38.72 Mh/s, the same OC setting as 2nd image.
I have not tested any further for ZEC because it seems mining ETH is more efficient.

I dont know for sure. the GPU I have tested is the very first GPU at very first batch in here quoted from my distributor.
He gave it to me for testing first. Then we decide to make the deal by then. But he said they will release P104-100 very soon.

It's very nice if you could grab some. I think this GPU is quite good. We're also very happy with P106-100, so far so good.

I dont need to make up thing. I just did what I promised in another thread when somebody like to know about P104-100.
If you ever mined ETH you will know why the hashrate looks like that at very beginning, then it's getting stable.

The hashrate is very impressive for ETH, and it looks ok for Equihash.
Btw, what's the price?

will u post your bios? i can't find any mining edition bioses

I'm using Asus ROG SRIX B250 F Gaming mainboard for this rig. This mainboard is quite good and price is reasonable.

If you want to use mining mainboard, Asus B250 mining expert is a good option. I've ever tried to build more than 12 Nvidia GPUs on this MB, but I failed.
Also, Biostar TB250 series or Gigabyte GA H110-D3A. As I tested Biostar mining MB consume more power while GA H110-D3A is good enough.

Try XMR? Maybe the timing they've put on it works great for once on XMR with an nvidia card :)

nope, cryptonight performance sucks.

In your GPU-Z the info of memory size didnt include. So as the info in some website, it should be 4Gb right?

yup
https://pp.userapi.com/c840232/v840232621/60ede/_KfHRBoJW8k.jpg

Where can you even get these "mining" cards? Can you only buy them if you know someone in China?

come to Russia. we are always excited to welcome new guests :)

I bought these cards from local reseller. many computer shops around here have them in stock from time to time.

Basically, I should say yes. I and my close friends have a group buy, and we have contract with a local distributor who are doing business with some big guys from CN. Most of GPUs in our farm, we got from him: RX580 and P106-100. He just gave me only 1 P104-100 to check the performances before making a new deal. As he said, we may get the very first batch of P104-100 in next 2 weeks. Actually, they will be released to market very soon as well.

Anyone have experiencing ordering from Alibaba? I've never used it before and from some quick research, it looks kind of kind of sketchy and not consumer friendly. The product title does not match the description which does not match the picture and there's many stories of people getting scammed just from this forum. There is no "Buy It Now" button or shipping/import/tax/payment information with the only option being to negotiate with someone in China

Honestly to say, I dont deal directly with someone in China for sure. We ever got an offer from China for cheaper GPUs. But we leave all the negotiations for local distributor who we trust and we only doing business with him.
I dont suggest ordering from Alibaba, we experienced 2 faulty PSUs from there before.

this is a dece card, tho to me i still perfer the 1070ti for about the same price
Tho the 1070ti does only 33mh/s max on ETH, but who wants eth on Nvidia anyways?
No resale here, little warranty, ill pass for 1070ti i thinks personally
but thx for showing these! still great cards i'd say!

I havent got the price of P104-100 yet, but the distributor he said it's about ~440$ which is much cheaper than GTX 1070 Ti, even cheaper than most of 1070.
So compare with RX580 at price arounds 330-340$, P104-100 could hash 39 Mh/s for ETH, I think it's a good deal.
Only thing I dont understand is how GDDR5X with 4Gb could get that high of hashrate.

My supplier confirmed hashrates announced here.
104 is able to go up to 40Mh/S Eth.

yeah I think the hashrate will be around 39 Mh/s or even better as your quote.
But actually I havent got the GPUs as I ordered yet. Our group buy's supplier still in dealing progress with some guys in CN.

Any update about price? I even could not make a purchase for GTX 1060 6Gb or Rx580 now. Too many people here want to dig in mining.

Hi there,

Can you please advise me if:
1) This card will require bios mod and overclocking?
2) If you use if on Linux and had 39mh/s from stock? Supplier recommended W10. Most folks sit on Linux distros with Nvidia.

 Titan V, 1060, and possibly 1050/1050 ti owners.

Confirmed

how can i get one of these for testing?

I am interested in buying 50+ of these.  Are there any suppliers who handle small (bulk) orders like this? 

I will order 6 soon and share my experience.
Each would cost about 400usd which is ok compare to 300 bucks rx570 that is impossible to get now.
Hashrate 30 to 40 and price 300 to 400. Seems reasonable.

Hi pix530,

Sorry for late response, I'm too busy these days.
1. As far as I know we dont need to do bios mod for Nvidia GPU (it's impossible I think). I recommend OC because P104-100 is dedicated GPU for mining (please refer the 1st post to see my OC testing).
2. I use Window 10. But I think Linux should be fine and even better performance.

yes I think it could achieve that 40 Mh/s. But I just want to keep it cool.

Where did you order them from?

Dear Mr. BeerMan81,

Very nice to hear from you. I follow your mining shed settup for a while and really like you and Yun.
I got this GPU just because my group buy have business with big local distributor. And he has business with Chinese guys who give him 1 P104-100 in advance for testing.
So he just gave us the chance to test it first.

I dont think its price is that cheap. We expect that we could get it at around 450$. But we have not got the deal yet.

 That's not impressive at all, 1070 ti manages that hashrate at under 110 watts with a TON better efficiency.
 On the other hand, it might do better with optimization.

Dear QuintLeo,

Yeah you're absolutely right. When we finished the test with ETH, we totally satisfied. But we didnt understand why Equihash performance is that low.
I remember I ever pushed core memory a bit higher, but hashrate increased not much. But it's fine for me, be cause I plan to use it for ETH mining only.
For ZEC or Equihash, I like to use 1060 3Gb or 1070 for the efficiency.

1070 ti is more efficient than the best 1070 cards on equihash when set up for max efficiency IME - I have yet to see any 1070 beat 4.3, but the 1070 ti can do 4.5+ easily.
Occasional 1080 cards can argue the point with the 1070 ti, but most are little if any better than a 1070 when both are set for max efficiency, and the 1080 ti seems to be in the same range as the 1070 and 1080.
1060 - don't have any but haven't been impressed with the efficiency numbers I HAVE seen out of those, but it seems like nobody tries to set those for max efficiency.


 I'm still finding the reported P104-100 mining card reported ETH hashrates VERY hard to believe - I just can't see how a card with the SAME memory type and speed (half the size don't MATTER) can manage to pull 50% higher hashrate, even if they DID optimize the timing straps for mining.

This card is offered for preorder on Singapore Carousell fro 725SGD and supposedly available in March

These are awesome results but they have very low resale value and only 3 months of warranty because of this buying mining version cards are risky in my opinion.

I'm not familiar with computer/memory architecture or some sort of that. But we were shocked with P104-100 as well.

Honestly to say, most of our GPUs are AMD RX series so we dont really know much about efficiency of Nvidia cards, so far we just have P106-100, 1060 3Gb for mining ETH as well, few rigs 1070 and 1 rig 1070 Ti for mining some altcoins.

So, thank you very much for those detail analysis.

They are all meet up only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfXzcMLxCAU


It seems like with "special" drivers large pages are active.
1070 can reach the same 38-40 MH/s.

AMD did the same. Compute Driver = large pages on

I dont really sure about this, but I think it seems like not true.
I tried to test mining ETH with MSI 1070 Seahawk X, but maximum hashrate I got is around 30.2-31 Mh/s as I remember.
I've ever seen this video before. But I've never seen any legit members in BBT shared sth like 1070 could achieve that high of 38Mh/s.

your kidding right?  this is an ovbious scam.... why even post it ? :(
The mem bus dosent support 39mh/s on a 1070, can you even MATH bro?
so one is not only supposed to pay him upfront for this "magic" but also bypass your PCs warnings on the driver (there for a reason may i add)  and install his 3rd party driver?  
SCARY to say the LEAST
if one wanted to test themselves, bypass your security for the official tesla driver on your 10 series, try to install it, tell us what happens :D (i already know)

Stay away from men bearing gifts on the inernets

shibob can you add photos of this card?

You wrote that at 470 sol/s Equihash algo, ETH at 39 Mh/s it draws about 170W is this at power limit 65? Have you tried going for power limit 60?

I'd guess that they were running the card at full rated TDP to get those hashrates - 470 is pretty normal for a "high wattage" 1070 (the GPU in this card is a 1070 on core count) or a well-optimised with very good memory "standard wattage" 1070.

very impressive numbers

Yes you're right, I got 470sol/s at 95% power limit. But I didnt push OC much.
Because a lot of people asked about Equihash performance, so so I made it, but just a quick test cuz we dont plan to mine ZEC, the performance for mining ETH is too good for us.

Hi, In my first test, power limit I set at 65% ~37.x Mh/s for mining ETH, and that high 39.x Mh/s is at 90-95% power limit.
Also, please note that 470 sol/s for Equihash, I also set power limit more than 90%, just for testing. Basically I dont pust power at that far, 80-85% is the range I usually choose.
I havent done any test with power limit less than 70%, the electric here is quite cheap.

The 470 sol/s were on Ewbf?

shibob, Thank you for answering my questions. I have rig ready for these cards. Cant wait.
I use W10 now, but playing games with OS when rig can mine is counter productive. So I just think which OS would be better. Not an issue. I can try both too.


I have supplier, but I need to be fast, cause prices for AMD going crazy now. I am sure Nvidia will follow.

Hi bigjee,

Yeah I tested it with EWBF miner. I think its performance might a bit better with dstm's miner.

Hi pix530,

Nice to hear from you, yeah time is money in this game, so we should be fast. I'm bored and lazy with trading but mining seems like my hobby haha.
Most of my rig're running on Win10, and there're 2 rigs I used Ubuntu which I set in home. I think Ubuntu/Linux..may be more stable but Win10 is ok if you dont push your rig much.

The same is happening here, it's hard to buy GPUs and the price's increased ~14% already just after a month. I'm thinking about collecting some 2nd hand rigs, somebody are start to sell their rigs at the latest down-trend period.

Curious what you mean. Can you provide more info please? Like what is better?

I think he could earn that much but in very short period. In the recent pump, it could be true for VIVO, STAK or LBC if he mined these coins about 2-3 months ago, he could earn a lot.

where to get this GPU? international ?

Just 1 unit the local distributor give me for testing. The official first batch has not released yet. We're still waiting.

If you want to see the its design or its cooling or sth like that, I could take a picture next week when I come to farm.

But the official GPU has not released yet so basically I need to ask my distributor about posting GPU image.
He agreed for spreading the words about performance I think it's the way the make price. But honestly to say, its cooling is not good as I expect.

Interesting results, thanks for sharing with us!

yes, thank you for testing
so it's indeed GGDR5X memory but gives this high speed, curious why gtx1o80 with same memory and more powerful core can't achieve  same result?
this is very intriguing
by the was as far as I know, prices for this P104 - became to go up from manufacturers.
 

I believe it is to do with RAM timings.

Hey,

Some more historic info.

This card did 28-29Mh when it first got built a few months ago, which was completely stock.

When we were first testing it with nvidia, i did a small and simple tweak and i got it up to 40Mh+.

It is now selling with that small modification for around 500USD per card, that is if you can find/get it.

That initial 40Mh we got was indeed as i said with custom timings, also knowing that the prototype had only 4GB GDDR5X memory.

For your reference, the ones being built/sold have 8GB GDDR5X memory. (not that it will make such a huge difference)


Cheers


Edit: it is now selling for over 900USD..

Same settings, Gigabyte P104-100 GDDR5X 4GB, cant go over 30mhs?

Thank Eliovp for very detail information. Even my distributor hasnt let us know details that much :D
I dont know much about these technical things, but hope they will officially release this series very soon.

Even us, we dont dont really understand why it could perform better than 1080 on ETH mining, big question for us.
But as some members already figured out here, it may relate to some modification on timing or sth like that. I dont really familiar with these things so I dont know.
Yeah, I'm really in love with this GPU.

FYI:

I've contacted a few manufacturers from Alibaba, most of my queries for P104-100 take very long to get answered and not even in a good manner. Anyway here are few price points they threw at me: $425 $478 $485 and from another manufacturer $880 $760. They also have prebuilt 8xP104 rig for about $4680~4880, some may accept small order if you contact them, i recommend using Whatsapp. They are available to pre-order only, available April. Most of the parts and the GPU itself are made by unknown or lesser known brands: newmagic, Manli, Inno3d, Jegy, Onda.... From which I only trust Manli and Inno3d. In order to order they mostly will talk you to add their Whatsapp number (or Skype) and pay outside Ali via T/T or some sort. Very risky indeed. Warranty will be 3 months for most if not all brands. After-sale support is horrible as I read the feedbacks from previous buyers and around the web; any broken card will need to be sent back costing lots of $$ even if you're lucky enough to get a reply from them. If you willing to deal with them I can help you find out legit manufacturers but again warranty isn't good and you buy with your own risk.

P/S: Luckily I found a distributor who travels back and forth from US to Asia to bring here some goodness, batches of P104-100 from Inno3d, MSI and Zotac available end of Jan and end of Feb. Yata! However I can't share his contact information without his permission. So sorry the community.

This card is basically GTX 1080 with DDR5 memory not DDR5X.
Therefore it performs very good with ETH algo but not so impressive with Equihash algo.

If it is under 500$, it is very good buy currently.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-NP104D5X-4G#sp

 That is NOT a 1080, which has 2560 cores - it's a 1070 with 1920 cores but GDDR5X memory instead of GDDR5 memory.

 The early RUMOURS were 1080 with GDDR5 but that turned out to not be the case.

 Still doesn't explain how it manages the announced high ETH hashrates claimed for it.


 The 4GB vs the 8GB on a regular 1070 isn't a factor, and probably won't be before ETH goes Proof of Stake.

Nice to hear that you could get some cards. For me, I expect I could get them with price around 470$ but it seems like the price was over my expectation already. But I havent got the confirmation about price yet.

Btw, there're 1 guy from my mining community has just shared his rig with 13 x P104-100, the hashrate is just incredible - total 507 Mh/s:

https://i.imgur.com/JsiGyfd.jpg

Dear timbereagle,

My test GPU its memory is DDR5X. Please refer to the 3rd image in my 1st post.
I'm not familiar with computer architecture or memory or sth like that. But P104-100 could do better than 1080, it's quite weird.
I think the price will be around 50$.

Dear Quint,

Firstly, congrats you're Legendary now, I have followed your posts for a while, I learned a lot from you.

Yeah a lot of people even my distributor who is very experienced in this field, cannot explain why its performance could be that high.
The problem for me and my friends now is we already signed the contract to have GPUs in very first batch, but it likes Chinese guys want to change the deal. Maybe they've already got some better offers.

Someone try to flash a 1080 already with a P104-100 bios?
(less cores but tighter timings)

Maybe from the same brand could work.

Curious about this myself.  As others have mentioned it seems closer to a 1070 card with GDDR5X memory than a 1080 card just with the hash rates on Zec Mining that was shown.

When I was playing around with Eth on my EVGA 1080ti iCX I managed to get 37.7-38.2MH/sec and could push it into 40-41MH/sec range but wasn't 100% stable. Nifty little card indeed if pushing that much, better power consumption as well.  Mine ran with about 88% TDP to get these results.

Hi islandspark,

I came to check the GPU design yesterday, and yeah give you some pics of P104-100 for your references.
Actually I dont really like its design, it looks like some cheap GPU haha. I added these pics to #1st post as well.

1. Power pin: 8-pin standard: https://imgur.com/YD8yLad

https://i.imgur.com/YD8yLad.jpg

2. Backplate: https://imgur.com/uRO8mO0

https://i.imgur.com/uRO8mO0.jpg

3. Cooling fan design: https://imgur.com/a/jgKwq

https://i.imgur.com/90mHajT.jpg

Please dump the VBIOS using GPU-Z and post it here.

can anyone with that card please run ccminer and check neoscrypt performance please:) ? any coin .. feather gobyte etc...

Yes, Manli and Inno3D are brands that carry the P104-100.

For VBIOS using GPU-Z, you could check it in 3rd image of my 1st post. I made it for a while already.

Or you could check it here: https://imgur.com/a/ga8Zq

I meant to extract the BIOS file and upload it somewhere.
http://nvidia.custhelp.com/rnt/rnw/img/enduser/gpu-z.png

I'm not familiar with these thing so I dont know what it's for and why you want that file.
But I think I shouldnt publish it. Sorry for that.

Here's the original Vbios that was on the prototype when i first recieved it months ago.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1QULGVn4bwbKzCbKLDhgaTj9_DxyItpCd

I'm however not going to share the modified one that gets you up to 40+Mh, not that it would matter that much as it's out there anyway..
Still, i honor my NDA's.

Greetings

How do one get their hands on these ;)

My Palit P104-100 cards look exactly like Palit GeForce GTX 1070 Dual without display outputs.

neoscrypt hashrate is ~1.2 MH/s with alexis78 ccminer.

GPU-Z and MSI AB screenshots
https://files.fm/u/kvxcncfs

here is the BIOS dump -
https://files.fm/u/458pawyw

I havent done any test for Neoscrypt yet, but 1.2 Mh/s is really impressive with Alexis78 ccminer.
As I remember, my 1070 could get around 1 Mh/s but with KlausT ccminer.

Btw, I saw some benchmark for Neoscrypt, somebody're mining with P104-100:

https://www.altminer.net/bench?algo=neoscrypt&chip=0

What's so unique about that 40MH/s+ BIOS? Is it some kinda of a hack?

I am having difficulty getting my P104-100 to overclock well :'(

If I set the memory to above +300, it just kinda falls back to factory default settings by itself. It doesn't crash, just goes back to default clock it seems (based on hashrate in Claymore). Anything under +300, it seems to actually overclock and achieve a higher hashrate.

Any thoughts?

Hi, Elio! Nice to see you again. So, now you are working for nVidia?
Are they going to release some bioses for gtx1080 or gtx1080ti with performance timings? Or just some hints? I've heard about a tool that can change something in nvidia bios and deal with signature check already.

Drop that core clock and raise that memory a bit, ETH is all about bandwith.. ;-)



Some basic changes memory wise.



Hey Buddy!

Well, i'm doing lots of things ;-)

They're not going to release any vbios related things regarding GTX gpu's, in other words, only "mining" gpu's will have the ability to be customized..

Any one of you can do that "in theory"..

Open up the vbios in a hexeditor, make changes (timings wise) and you can sign it here: https://gfs.nvidia.com/

I know i know, you can't just open it, make some changes and hope for the best.. It's a lot more complicated than an AMD vbios..

I'm sure some tools will pop up eventually to make it a lot easier..

Cheers!


Ps. i'll hook up my P104 one of these days again and do some more tests and share some screens..

That's what I did. In nvidia-settings in Linux, I dropped my core to -200 (max allowed). If I raise the memory by anything over ~+280, P104-100 seems to just default back to the factory clock. This is very different behavior from other GPU cards, because they would normally just crash if you OC too much.

Nice GPU with higher hashrate
Btw, P104-100 what is that? Nvidia Tesla? or what?
I'm sorry i dont know about that

So are these going to be released stateside? And when?

A dedicated mining card based on 1070 but using DDR5X memory and what seems to be a mining optimised BIOS.

Has no video outs and 3 month warranty e.g https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-NP104D5X-4G (https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-NP104D5X-4G)

If it's anything like the P106-100 (which is based on 1060) it will probably only be available directly in bulk to those with the right contacts for a while yet.

hard to preserve small order guys , that's why we don't see P106 in US/Canada

www.ebay.ca/itm/282817581100

These are being released States side, but not really to the public. I think only professional miners have access to them, at least according to my reliable distributor.  :-\

so I can call myself a professional miner. great  :D

Why don't you share how to buy it for the mortals here? :)

I think you're lucky. Even me, I have a big group buy and contract with distributor, but we have reach our deal yet.
There're some big competitors out there, they would like to pay more money for the batch :(

Have you got the deal yet? and what's the price?
With these performance, I think its price may be more than 500$?

Would like to buy some of them.. but cannot finde a trustful reseller. What do you think about the reseller on Alibaba? Are they seriously?

We havent got it yet. It seems like we could not get the deal :(

I'm not sure but I got a bad experience with Alibaba before when I purchased some Great Wall PSUs. 

Wow nice, good hash rate with only 1*8pin power
but, price is too high, 20 LTC, seriously?
i just waiting this GPU at lowered price

p104 4gb
180w
0.75 kh/s cryptonight
1.08 mh/s neoscrypt
39 mh/s eth
524 sol/s

I found a group buy for these today, for about $720 CAD each, minimum order of 6.
I guess I'll grab them since there's nothing in stores and my mining expert is very sad with only 6 cards. Thanks for the info here, it helps a lot. The guys buying/selling them are of course noobs and I can't trust their numbers until I found some more here.

Nice to know you could grab some GPUs. your testing performance with Equihash is really nice, almost the same with 1070 Ti.
I dont know why my test for ZEC just achieved only 470 sol/s. But I plan to mine ETH, so it's not problem :D

Interesting. Where you located in Canada and if the price includes delivery and taxes?

I can buy cards cheaper, even Nvidia increased pricing for $100 pet p104 recently.
Just hassle with customs and delivery.

I didn't benchmark it myself, just summarizing the info I've found from multiple sources. There's a video on youtube where the cryptonight and equihash numbers came from, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOXc35DiAbM

I didn't benchmark it myself, just summarizing the info I've found from multiple sources. There's a video on youtube where the cryptonight and equihash numbers came from, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOXc35DiAbM




Shipping will be a few dollars more from Vancouver Island to your location, unless you can pick it up of course. Taxes will hopefully be avoided since any duties will have been paid by the importer and absorbed into the price already.
Unfortunately, the supplier in China is telling the guy importing our GPUs that Nvidia is jacking up the prices of this GPU up by $85 (USD I assume) and so we are waiting for the supplier to meet with NVIDIA and confirm wtf is going on. Hopefully, it works out as I really would like a few of these to put in my stupid asus mining expert motherboard. It basically requires mining cards to get over 13 cards working at once.
If anyone is interested, I suggest you just go where I did, the VoskCoin discord chat: https://discord.gg/Gfdkuyw
Find the #Canada section and you'll figure out what to do. You *might* be able to get in on the group buy even from other countries, but you'll have to ask the guy there organizing it. He obviously can't guarantee anything in regards to any customs fees, duties, taxes, etc. in that case.

neoscrypt:
GPU#0:P106-100, 903.79kH/s

106 gives you around 880 kh/s neoscrypt and you get only 128k more from 104 for almost twice the price?!?! sad crap

I think P104-100 is optimized for mining ETH only. The local store's selling it with 730$ (in Malaysia) which is more expensive thant 1080 lol.

I dont know but this time it's too hard to grab any GPU.

Quote from @xxcsu about current GPUs' prices, they're all too expensive now:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2821497.msg28919904#msg28919904

https://i.imgur.com/xxx9SNo.jpg

One thing to keep in mind on the Vega pricing - apples to oranges.
3 months ago the ONLY Vega cards available were reference design.
Today the only Vega cards available are 3'd party cards, with better cooling and SHOULD be higher performance.

*3* 8-pin power connectors on some of them though is crazy.

p104-100 can someone recommend MSI afterburner settings for eth & zec? pictures appreciated!

I think he made it very clear on the 1st post. By the way, how much you have pay for P104-100?

https://www.bitnand.com/product-page/nvidia-p104-100-mining-card (https://www.bitnand.com/product-page/nvidia-p104-100-mining-card) this site seems to have P104-100, but it's March delivery. Another member says this is made by an active Redditor.

$629 isn't bad considering GTX 1070 is going for $800+..  :-\

You people lost all sense, do not give in like the idiots do. Hold strong and buy only when it at msrp price. Do not be an idiot.

I am using https://www.nowinstock.net/ to inform me of availability. But honestly I haven't had any success actually buying equipment at MSRP. The cards just get sold WAYYYY too fast.  :-\

Looks nice GPU, thank you for the overview.

You're right, this time I dont grab any more GPUs, I just use the half budget to buy some coins and wait GPUs' price going down.

I think another good option is buy some 2nd hand GPUs, the only thing is we need to check these GPUs carefully. In my place, somebody starts selling GPU haha.

Not quite that simple. Who knows what's the quality of 2nd hand GPUs. As a buyer, you don't have a peace of mind and run some risk.

I would much rather buy new GPUs.

Agreed with you, buying 2nd hand GPUs is not that simple. It may work perfectly in the 1st month, but we dont really know the reason why they sold it even the price is just fluctuated a bit.

Yep, it may work on a small-scale, like buying 1 or 2 second-hand GPUs. However, imagine if you run a farm, the operational hassle of buying 100+ second-hand GPUs is just a nightmare.

I have Gigabyte p104-100 and no matter what I do, I can't make them go above 30.5 mh/s on ETH.

- Tried different drivers
- Tried core clock (-200 to +500)
- Tried memory clock (0 to 850)

Out of the box, the card does around 25 mh/s.

The memory is Micron and on Windows 10.

Maybe because it is Micron..

Those Nvidia GPU's are pure gamble... If you get shi**y ram it won't to good... I got some 1060's which are only capable of doing 18,6... Friend got the same model with different RAM and his are doing 24,6 mhs....

I kind of feel like that claimed 39mh on ethereum is bunk. 25mh/s is what you would expect from an unmodified gtx 1070 so I would say you are closer to a real number than the OP

It's legit for ZOTAC, who knows about Gigabyte, a shit company can't even make a fan that works.
https://i.imgur.com/5uORjZo.jpg

Could you please share your settings?
Windows version, driver, overclock, memory type...

For anyone who might be interested:

https://i.imgur.com/lQk3J3p.png
Palit P104-100

https://i.imgur.com/HgqpoC5.png
There are a few incorrect shares, but nothing serious.

https://i.imgur.com/BRrYnyk.png
If i add 20MHz more on MEMClock then every second share on GPU2 becomes incorrect, i guess +800 is max for everyday use.

https://i.imgur.com/q59f9G1.png
Yeah, GPU-Z doesn't reveal everything.

900W @ wall using 1050W 80 PLUS GOLD Certified PSU.

You could recheck on the 1st post, my P104-100 has Micron memory as well. As I understand, it may relate to timing control, so check the Vbios.

Eliovp explained it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2677496.msg28622292#msg28622292

With just 72% power limit, 40Mh/s is a lot. Have you tested with power limit around 85%?

Take a look at one of the first P104-100 review here:

https://www.bitnand.com/nvidia-p104-complete-miner-review

40MH/s per card is real :o :o

Can’t you put 13 nvidia cards and 6 AMD cards? I read this somewhere, just can’t find the article right now. I’m interested because I’ve got this mobo being delivered tomorrow.

For 19 GPUs setting, you could check this thread. Actually I tried this test (19 P106-100 GPUs) before, but I failed.
13 Nvidia + 6 AMD it should work.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2338482.0

For 13 P104-100 on Asus mining expert MB, here is example (from 1 guy in my mining community), nothing special in setting.

https://i.imgur.com/lsx7tsb.jpg

congratulations for you guys! disappointing that i cannot find a single reseller in germany...

With power limit set at 85% hashrate per card card is 0.15 Mh/s higher, but power consumption @ wall exceeds 1000W, temperatures are also higher, not worth it.

Where can the common folk, like me, buy it in the US?

Thank you very much! I even dont release that fact, so I think I need to change the setting.

This is the best I can get from Gigabyte P104 4gb (Micron)

https://image.prntscr.com/image/-K7Dw_EISEOviPCCzYII-g.png

Dear all, I just got my p104 cards yesterday however having problem getting my Windows 10 to recognise it. I tried using 390.77 Driver version but Nvidia said the Driver is not compatible with my system.

Can you please advise how and where to download the Drivers for the p104? Thanks in advance!

Works fine for Palit p104-100:
http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/129081/en-us

Thanks I will try it again later. By the way I just started this new rig with new installation of W10 on biostar 250 btc pro MB. Is there other app or software I need to install in order for the Nvidia app to run smooth installation after download of the Driver?

Driver and msi afterburner is all you need.

Silly question, I’m using free version of W10 and not activated on the key yet. Will that make a difference to driver compatibility and reading by the OS? Does getting the official key and having it installed make a better difference?

Does any of you guys had any chance of ordering p104-100 trough https://www.bitnand.com/ or where can we all look up for a Palit or Gigabyte cards mentioned here?

There should be no difference at all.

No difference, been mining with unlicensed Win 10 for some time now.

I'm not sure why your P104-100 just got 30Mh/s. My GPU has Micron memory too.
Actually, as I know, most of miners here who got P104, they reported the hashrate is around 39-40Mh/s.

As I know, Bitnand offers the P104-100 mining rig with 9 GPU. The design looks very cool.
But 1 P104-100 with 629$, I think it's quite expensive. They gives spec. is 40 Mh/s ETH mining, but in a demonstration image, the reported hashrate is 31.8 Mh/s, it's quite strange.
 

Is it legit to order from Bitnand, anyone has experience ordering form them, don't know if they are scam?
And yes, it's quite expensive, but all the GPU prices kinda crazy at the moment :/

Seems like a bit of a crapshoot with those cards. $629 seems like a lot for 3 months warranty, no backplate, and temps seem high for running at 100% fan.

I'd rather pay the same price for a similar hash rate and a 3 year warranty with an almost guaranteed ability to sell the card on the used market.

everything you said makes sense, but honestly you can't find similar hash rate for that price that's the point (40mh/s-135w) :/ correct me if I'm wrong?

Prior to the current massive shortage and "gouge pricing", well over 40 Mhash on ETH was EASY to achieve for well under $600 using a pair of RX 470/480/570/580 cards or a pair of GTX 1060 cards.
I think you could also get there NOW via 3 x GTX 1050 - which are still in wide fairly good supply and NOT getting price gouged at all - for under $500 and possibly close to $400.

 Tradeoff is that the rig density is lower.

Agree, but that investment is not justifable first of all coz of the power efficiency... lets say I put 3x1050 it's about 75-80w each, in total 225-240w against 135w....
So bigger PSU, less cards in a rig, more money for the RAM, SSD, mobo, risers...

Thanks to all of your help. It was due to my W10 installer on older version, an upgrade fixed it and driver installed.

Mining dual coin with claymore 10.6 gets about 36mh/s for p104 but the claymore hanged and kept resetting with 0 hashrate though temperature of all GPUs showing. Trying now again with version 10.5.

 The actual "in use" figures I've seen on the 1050 and 1050 ti have been mostly in the 50-60 watt range - they only have a MAX TDP of 75 after all, for the most part.

 They also seem to come in around 14 Mhash more or less on ETH, which isn't bad - pretty close to RX 470/480/570/580 levels on ETH for efficiency.

 Also, YOU CAN GET THE CARDS - they're still widely available at LESS THAN MSRP with a fairly wide selection to choose from.
 I have yet to see ANY source for the P-104-100 that I can buy them from, and I STILL find the 40+ Mhash claims VERY problematical.

Can you test and post fr PHI1612 algo (LUX)?

CCminer SP-MOD should be used

Hi fellow miners!
I have recently seen good  wholesale price offers  on P104-100 (different OEM brands) as well on popular mining cards (gtx 1060, rx 570, 580) including both OEM and recognozable brandnames. The prices are like before the 2017 mining boom if you buy 50 or more.These days when even Walmart adjusts prices up following the demand on GPUs there are not too many other options to chose from if you want to do mining professionally.

But I noticed in this thread that when it comes to Alibaba, it is considered too risky by many people. But what about Alibaba customer protection and sellers ratings Alibaba allows to track?  Do you think it is still risky even when you buy from good ranked sellers?

For instance, there are some established manufacturer's with 10-15 years history out there. Those usually have "Trade Assurance" customer protection, similar to what we have on Paypal or Ebay , covering your purchases  up to 40 000 -70 000 USD or more.  They can also provide  samples before you decide to move on with the bulk purchase.
Has anybody actually tried to buy directly from such manufacturers on Alibaba?

I can’t correct you, you are correct! However the cards need to last. A three month warranty and no resale value is a risky proposition.

Then the best is to wait for the big names to start selling their own, like Gigabyte, Msi, Inno... If we wanna play safe, mining is all about safety... and a very safe business aswell :)

Just want opinions:

Someone is selling 9x P104-100 mining cards and 1x P104-100 mining machine for BND8k+. Is it worth it?

BND is Brunei dollar right? if it's the case, 8k BND is around 6070$.
I'm not sure what meaning of 1x P104-100 mining machine, is it a complete miner which includes cpu, mainboard, ram, hdd..?

Jay, if you meant that they offer a mining PC with nine or ten(?) P104-100 cards then it is totally OK I think, considering the current demand. It is like buying each card for less than 600 USD. I got price quotes on Alibaba today  (most published prices are outdated), where they ask 720-780 USD for one such card. Of course it could have costed   400-450 each if not the mining agitation, but it is what it is.

Hi,

I am kinda new here (as a registered user that is), I had to reply to this p-104 trend that been going on here.
so let me tell you I have no idea what is unique "bios" who is getting to 39mhs...

I have made some changes today we are running a machine with 8 cards P-104 (44-43 mhs per card) reaching
easily to 345 mhs not to mention running on 160watts instead of 180watts with linux centos.

I am using a private version of ethminer here are some screen shots from the teamviewer.
https://imgur.com/gallery/SwKM6U0

https://imgur.com/gallery/YvkfGym

Best regards,

CNILSECURE.

P.S. Sorry i havent figure out yet how to insert the image directly to here

Well, more like a mining rig but with 9x P104-100 cards. I'm getting it for around 500 USD per card tho. But I have to wait for April batch so there might be an increase in price(hope not).

I was just informed that Nvidia is banning the sale of P104s to the US.  Anyone else here about this?

also the p106

No surprise here, they found that they cannot use that 3 month warranty in the US and EU

its basically against consumer laws here to provide such a flimsy warranty, on top of that its different from the warranty of thier

other consumer parts. Duh Their lawyers should have told them this before hand dummies

I guess they could sell with "no warranty" in the US :) We cans still buy them direct from somewhere else right?

Any warranty that does not cover your roi period or resale period is a waste. You need the 3 year warranty for it to make sense on a GPU

Anyone could help me on how to even get more than 35MH/s on Linux. My original post is at:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2898322.0

My P104-100 in stock setting only gives me 26MH/s. I tried both Claymore and the open source cuda ethminer.

I also tried both 387 driver and 390 driver.

I am pretty frustrated now.

I'm going to sell my new X100 cards for $780-850 soon in Russia.

 they cannot sell a 3 month warranty product in EU either, where a minimum warranty should be 2 years.

 

This sounds to be some kind of a BIOS problem. I have had one P104-100 card that just would NOT overclock at all. After updating the BIOS, it goes up to 40MH/s happily.

Try contacting your manufacturer  :-[

HOLY SMOKES. 44MH/s on a single P104-100?

Yup  :) 44mhs X 8 cards

Could you please tell what a private version of ethminer and where am I able to find it? I can not write you a private message=(

I found the card for only 340 bucks but its never in stock. Seeing the results i would definitely fill up one of my rigs with some of these babies.

What is your overclock setting like?

44 Mh/s, I tried some tests, but it's never been upper than 41 mh/s. Could you share your OC setting?

44 Mh/s it's for people that don't care about energy cost, my p104's do 39 Mh/s at 118w , yours 44Mh/s at 160w

I've just heard that somebody have tested P102-100 and the hashrate is around 47Mh/s. I'm not sure how's it going, but due to the current price of P104, I think I will wait for 20xx series.

Yes, I have screenshots supplied directly by a GPU manufacturer showing 47 MH for ETH.  Likely over 900 sols/second for ZEC / Equihash.

900 sol/s for Equihash, is it even higher than 1080 Ti?

As far as I know still havent had any report of P102-100's performance on Equihash yet, 900 sol/s is quite a lot. But let see, we dont expect P104-100 could go over 40 mh/s.

Anyone try P104-100 on different algos? skein, lyra2z, neoscrypt, phi, xevan, nist5 ?

Wait, where are you seeing good prices on cards? If it's Alibaba, they are ALL FAKE prices.

x8664amd, you are right about Alibaba. The quote prices  are the same as if those were non OEM cards in a US shop, without taking into account importing fees and shipping. Alibaba sellers were selling for 550+ cheapest last time I checked before Chinese holidays. I always liked the idea that  GPUs will still have some salvage value and could be later resold after mining, but this barely applies to 3 month warranty Chinese OEM cards. Those are too expensive for the crappy quality ) I d better buy a normal card in places were mining is expensive ( it is cheaper there) and pay import fee than paying so much for air.
Although, my post was also about risks of ALibaba. And I still think that those customer protection insurances Alibaba provides are pretty legit. You just have to check each seller if it is covered.

i was able to get my hands on one P104-100 for testing purpose & will update the hash-rates for the mentioned algo's soon.

Yes they can sell in EU, with 3 months warranty, but only to a legal entity. I just received an email from big supplier, offering stock of 100+ pcs
What do you guys think about the price, to make it worth buying? What is a good fair deal for ZOTAC P104-100 4GB GDDR5X Mining (3 Months Warranty)?

Wow I would be interested in buying some P104! PM me with details please.

Hi, how's about your testings? I'm quite lazy this time, so I have not done much more tests, but I still think P104-100 only work best for Ethas algorithm.

And what is the ROI of p104 farm and how many eth a day does it giveback?

Actually most of GPUs in my farm are RX580 and P106-100, I just have only one rig of P104-100.
So I dont count only single rig for P104-100, and the thing is P104's price is a way high now, even with very impressive hashrate like 40 Mh/s, I think the ROI should be 8-9 months.
Actually I mine coins for holding, I just sell a bit to pay electric fees. They said that in next month or May, Nvidia will release new GPUs series, so let see how it's going with P104 (or P102) price. 

Hello, can u share your settings?
39 Mh/s at 118w is impressive..

Bitnand is legit. I've talked to some of the guys there. Very knowledgeable and professional.

They said they have P102-100 available for pre-order as well.

Is there any places where I can reliably buy 200+ pcs of the P104-100 card? They seem so hard to come by.  :'(

p104 and p102 mining cards are now useless.

getting 50+ MH on 1080tis thanks to ETHlargement :)

I just received some P104-100s and am testing one but what are people using to monitor power usage?  My nvidia inspector doesn't get any readings.  Is there a version that works for this card or some other program?

Thanks!

JJ

Do you have power consumption data for the tests you ran?

You can use GPUZ.

With afterburner at 65% power + 780 memory, + 50 core they are running 39.6 MH/s ETH.  System at the wall with 1 card mining was 149W  (28W idle) so roughly ~119W for the card.

I did an awesome miner benchmark at 70%/770mem/50core with the following results.  Wasn't looking at power usage.  I just left it run while doing other things.  It ends up putting the highest hash for all miners after you save so ignore the fact that different miners for the same algo look the same.
https://i.imgur.com/AZU7CEc.png

(sorry, not sure how to get the image to show properly)

Yeah I have that but I only see the %power vs  actual watts.  It's nice to have watts.  It'll do though.

You don't need to get this much overclock for 39.5 MH/s. You can get same result with below settings . No dev fee and with 135w-140W consumption.

1. Use ethminer.
2. %72 power
3. +635 memory
4 -50 core

Hi guys,

It's been a while since I created this topic. And today I would like to show you guys some pic of MSI P104-100 which were presented in Computex 2018 Taipei.
There're more asics miners are coming but hopefully GPU mining community will be stronger.

P/S: Will be added in the first post as well.

https://i.imgur.com/R55xU1A.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/xUe46Kw.jpg

Look a the footprint size of that thing..

50Ksol/s 620W, Innosilicon announces World Best Equihash Miner A9 ZMaster

You wasted your money BRO

Also my 1070 clock to 35 MH.. your cards are overpriced for hash rate..

FAIL

Hi mate, yeah this's really hard time for us. I'm looking for some asic-resistance coins to mine. But it's not that easy.
For me, I'm going to resell my Rx580 and keep P106-100 and P104-100 to mine since P106/P104 dont have graphic output so it's almost impossible to resale them.

I think thats for the best... its such a horrible time for crypto in general.. Im selling 30 X 1070 GTX now...

Good luck to you brother.

Hi Buddy, my friend got an offer to purchase P104-100, the deal looks ok, price is $400/GPU. But I'm afraid at the current dump period, it's not benefits to mine with GPU, since asics miners are dominating the hashrate. What do you think?

What's all this for?.
I do not know about it.

Not worth it. You can buy GTX 1080s for cheaper , get the same hashrates and better resale value.

No brainer.

P104-100 is a useless buy. Unless you like wasting money.

Wondering if that 25.89 MH/s on X16r is for real... Don't know about that...

By the way here folks solved the problem of overheating of the memory on p104 by removing two resistors on the main memory power supply circuit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA9_4tq2anA

"The manufacturer put them here for power surge potection, but now that the cards are overclocked they are more likely to melt the circuits down then to protect them from anything. We removed them and placed a jumper wire instead. "



by now it costs about $300 in china (i mean gpu card) may be not bad

After seeing the performance of RTX series, I am more convinced that the P104 is still the best mining card on the market.

40MH/s+ for around $4xx with the P104-100 is a really good deal imho. I don't think it's good to compare to AMD Radeon because per card hashrate AMD is much lower, and consumes much more power.

https://www.bitnand.com/product-page/nvidia-p104-100-mining-card (https://www.bitnand.com/product-page/nvidia-p104-100-mining-card)

Agreed. P104 has surprisingly stood up to the test of time. The MH/$ and MH/Watt figure is still the best. I just wish Nvidia would release a new mining series card using the RTX series.

It would be sick to see a P-series card based on RTX 2070 pulling in 80MH/s  ::)

No.

1080s are cheaper. Get the same hashrate. And have resale value.

P104-100 is a terrible buy.

Ugh, not this shit again. You can go out and find second hand P104, and you'll see how WELL these cards have held-up in value. They are WAY more efficient than GTX 1080 for mining Ethereum. Furthermore, P104 is DEFINITELY cheaper than 1080.

you can buy a 1080 for $300 used and you can get 40MH with the ETH pill.

why would you buy a $400 card, for the same performance, and less resale value? that P104-100 can only mine and doesn't have display outputs, a 1080 can do everything else, making it much more appealing to potential buyers.

hell even the 1080ti is a better buy, less than $500 and does over 50MH with the pill with very low power use.

keep crying about your poor investment, its ok.

..i was bought 2x P104-100 one for 277€ (321$) and i have stable 40+MH/s on ethash i was really happy becouse my electricy is only 300W for both (and this is the reason - electricity)
POWER limit: 70
Core Clock: 100
Memory Clock: 845
 ;)

cool story. my 1080tis use less power than that.

it's not very impressive. you could have bought a 1080 for less. they go for 300 all day used. sometimes even less

I heard the ETH block reward will reduce soon. So will it still be profitable.

What you are saying makes no sense. How can you compare a new card price with old card price? The P104-100 is $400 brand new, that's a MUCH BETTER deal than buying some used old 1080 with unknown quality.

does a new card perform better than a used card? NOPE.

why buy a new card with a 90 day warranty, when you can buy a used card with 2+ years of transferable warranty left?

i've never bought a used video card that was damaged. its VERY hard to damage a video card from end user use. be it mining, or overclocking, or gaming, or whatever. the cards have built in protections from damage. if a card gets damaged, it was probably defective anyway and if you buy a used card from a manufacturer that carries a transferable warranty (like EVGA), if anything goes wrong you just RMA it no big deal.

again, no reason to buy a p104, unless you get them for like $100. then the risk of a failed card might be worth it.

It's about negative selection. People dump used graphics cards that are broken. You will encounter a high percentage of broken cards in 2nd hand market.

no, people are dumping used graphics cards now to cut their losses. they bought in high to ride the crypto wave, and they dont want to deal with the slump.

i've purchased tons of used graphics cards over the years, and not a single one has ever been bad. i've actually had more bad cards that were bought brand new than used cards.

Bitnand just sent out a discount coupon for P104 cards if anyone is interested. They are offering $40 off on each card.

Not a bad deal imho. They also accept crypto for payments.

You can take a look here https://www.bitnand.com (https://www.bitnand.com).

Coupon code is "p104bitcointalk"

Nobody cares about used cards or new cards, same as guy few posts above that running p104 @150W, my p104's handle 40Mhs @108W and i purchased it from crypto money, not putting own fiat money at all, so that's
reasonable to "buy" it at almost free instead your "100$ cost"
Btw MSI has one year warranty on mining P104-100, other have 3 months  ;D

what was the USD value of that crypto? how much did you pay in electricity to obtain that crypto?

nothing is free. and buying stuff with crypto when its valuation is the lowest it's been in a long time, yeah not the best idea.