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WikiLeaks.org setup a BTC fund for Edward Snowden

Read full story here:
https://wikileaks.org/freesnowden

BTC Address for Donations:
1snowqQP5VmZgU47i5AWwz9fsgHQg94Fa


P.S Never been so excited to see BTC flow in to anyones wallet on blockchain before lol GJ ppl !

10K USD is now raised  :o

Really give this guys some spare BTC he deserves some help for what he did !

I thought he was doing it for the greater good, not money?

Besides, what's he going to spend the bitcoins on?

The point is it will probably come in handy if Russia betrays him or puts him under proper house arrest, they seem to love pissing off the U.S though so I doubt it will happen but you can never be too prepared :D

Really?  ::)

If my life was in the hand of Putin I would start taking anonymous donation too lol

That was his (stupid) choice. Why he thought that Russia is more free than the US is anyone's guess.

Is he going to withdraw it to his bank account?

Is he going to buy something off bitmit?

Is he going to get something nice off of SR?

I guess, but how long will Putin allow a dissident to live in a country where dissidents are killed or imprisoned for speaking out?

Seems like he'll either get the same treatment or worse.

Good luck Snowden!

I'd contribute if I had more myself.

Bitfog or similar + Another person bank account?

You do realize its VERY easy to sell BTC for cash in every country...
Also it blows my mind why you didnt actually read the original post in which this BTC address is given, before asking questions, as it explains in detail what the money will be used for.

I doubt it.  He is valuable to Putin et al as a bargaining chip.  They may not even have a plan for him.  Rather, they just wait.  They have nothing to lose really in doing that.  Maybe at some time they squeeze him for some intel, maybe not.

Excellent comments,

I concur,

It seems like Snowden got stuck en route from China at the Moscow airport. Putin probably won't even want to take info from Snowden(They have their own, plus, they did not ask for him to come, he was just on a stop over, giving him a year to find a place will help Russia's rep by helping an American who is being charged for what Russia has a really bad rep for. Russia wasn't happy at all having him posted up in their customs area(international limbo).

Remember they gave US info on the Boston bombers and the US failed to take action and could have prevented that tragedy, so they are not really happy on sharing intel with US, especially when it is not used by us, why bother, right? Lemons out of lemonaide. Russia was handed a Lose/Lose situation, so what fuck, help the poor guy out. The US should give Edward Snowden full immunity and get him back here, take care of him and listen to him so they can fix the problem that obviously exists.

Have a great one everyone,

_Branzig

Thank you Cycloid, I am poor as fuck, however, I will definetaly spend the rest of this weekend sending Bitvisitor and Cointube Btc to    BTC Address for Donations:
1snowqQP5VmZgU47i5AWwz9fsgHQg94Fa

-Branzig

Please help expose bitcoinwallet.in and Ironcross360. I do not care about me, it is for all of the poor newbies who are being robbed by these people, it started here and it has spread, bitcoinwallet.in is starting to run adds all over free btc sites. Thank you in advance. I just saw a poor guy get degraded and disrespected for reporting his theft and who did it, I also received the same treatment... they are pulling in an average of 8000-10000 Btc daily, this is a plague on BTC and all of Cryto Currency.

If you want me to help spread the word re: Edward Snowden's Bitcoin address, just let me know and feel free to hit me up for anything else I can do to help.

BG

It takes balls to do what he did.
 Edward if you are reading this then I would like to say thank you!

Side note I personally believe Russia was his destination, you dont start at Hong Kong to get to South America and you certainty dont fly through Russia for it. He needed a clean way in the country knowing 100% his route will be intercepted and passport canceled at next hop, which he chose to be Moscow...
THis created a perfect diplomatic cover and made all US actions make themselves look like the retards. Puting presure on Putin to act which God knows he did not want to do lol.

Extradition was never an option, problem was gettin Asylum and having his passport revoked in Moscow forced Putin to get it done. Asking him directly would be a political disaster and well he might have just did the Russian thing and told him to go look elsewhere ...

THats just my opinion.

 

http://blockchain.info/tx/83a8d8602a7f9239640cf7fcc42a361eb900649fab069d5e510d32d53bf2fc7e


No, they are not.

Me too guys, donate to me.

Soviet era is long gone. There are plenty of "dissidents" alive and well in Russia. You can speak out, bark out, play punk rock in one of the biggest capital churches.

Of course, the Soviet era is long gone. The Russian Federation is a freedom loving nation ruled by its benevolent former KGB leader.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press_in_the_Russian_Federation#2000shttp://blogs.computerworld.com/16931/is_microsoft_helping_russia_crack_down_on_dissidentshttp://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/07/world/europe/jailing-opposition-leaders-russia-moves-to-quell-election-protests.html?_r=0
http://freebeacon.com/russia-could-crack-down-on-internet-freedom-after-snowden-leaks/

Edit: saw the "punk rock in churches" bit. I'm guessing your post was sarcasm, then?

im donating .1 haha. hopefully a lot more people will too.

Russia IS more free than the US.

About punk rock - it was a joke, yes, but in general I was not sarcastic - I think if those crazy attention whores played in Sheikh Zayed Mosque, dissing local leaders, they would be mutilated and beheaded, if not by the government, then by local people. Or imagine them in the Washington Nation Cathedral, DC, singing "Obama is a commie and sucks big jew dong" or something like that. Or even Better is some Texas protestant Church. I'd say those gals got off pretty easily. Earning money in process, I must add.

Russia has plenty of independent news sources, lots of criticism of current ruling party and leaders. That first wikipedia link you gave - it mentions multiple improvements over years, public trust growing in general, some protection laws offered to journalists and so on. For years Russia has been viewed upon as a big scary bear, while in fact it is the same as all the other governments in the world more or less. I believe CIA can take any less prominent journalist in for a talk, to zap his balls with electrodes, and later acquire a backhand court order.

In the freedom of the press USA has pretty interesting figures. UK is slightly better. Cameras and taps everywhere, taking away journalists belongings as a "security measure".

General rule - you may speak and write about anything you want in a civilized country. As long as you stay away from big corruptions, hidden money, anything what makes your local government officials involved interested enough in snuffing out your life. Be that in Russia, Britain, France or USA or whatever.

Local government officials will not "snuff out your life" in the US, France, or UK. In Russia they will. How often do you hear about journalists being killed in the UK, US, or France? Rarely if ever. Russia is known as one of the most dangerous places on the planet for journalists.

A country that declares war on gays and has laws against "blasphemy" is nowhere near free. That sounds exactly like the Soviet Union.

Also, have you been to Russia? I haven't been there but I have family who used to live there (both in the USSR and Federation) and they said that it was more or less the same when the USSR "collapsed".

I live in neighboring country. 99% of journalists deaths are one way or another linked to Chechen mafia and other "southern towelhead elements", Grozny, Makhachkala, you name it. There are only 2 loud cases, one of them being death of Politkovskaya and she was all about chechens too. A lot has changed in the coming years.

About blasphemy - you can view it like a anti-racist law. It would keep certain elements from hooliganism, making them aware of possible punishment and thus preventing mass butthurt of the religious people( like in pussy riot case, they could pick a better place, and they could even sanction their own protest within government), which are a majority in Russia. UK had blasphemy law untill 2008. USA is much better in this case, you can diss any religion you like, and as an atheist myself I like that a lot.

And war on gays - it's a cultural thing. Homophobia is what people want, and state provides certain laws to appeal to those people, to the majority. I personally support that law, it is aimed against gay propaganda to minors, not against gays themselves. One can hump his buddy in the ass all day long, but he cannot tell kids around how good or better it possibly feels. If country wants to be that way, it is it's right to be so. If you are a gay, and are largely outspoken, like showing your preference during demonstrations - then you must change your ways, or find a more gay friendly country to live in.

All that criticism lately is ridiculous. Americas big strategic oily partner - United Arab Emirates has laws against gays, by which they must be (and regularly are) deported, fined, treated hormonally, CHEMICALLY CASTRATED, and even killed. I do not hear any criticism towards Emirates lately. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_Arab_Emirates

You're defending two freedom-stifling laws/movements and you use the term towelhead. I can see why you think Russia is so "free".

What country do you live in? Is it Belarus?

Also, the UAE is not our biggest oil partner... It's actually Canada, which is more tolerant than the US itself. South American nations and even African nations are bigger partners than the UAE. Our biggest middle east partner is Saudi Arabia, but I'm not defending them. I don't choose who our country trades with.

I live in Latvia, it's in my profile. And by the way Belarus is the least free country of post USSR :) . Basically a dictatorship. And it kinda works for them.

I do not defend any of those laws, I simply explain them. Although that anti-gay law looks fine to me. It's what people want there, majority of them.  If half of the population was gay,or at least gay friendly then there would be different laws.

Also I did not say biggest partner, just big. But it really shows US hypocrisy with their constant embargoes and shit, to trade with UAE.\

And finally towelheads. But that's who they are - towelheads. I know that is a deep cultural aspect of their lives, and I may have offended someone with my generalization. But I'm not very keen on political correctness. You cannot have freedom of speech to it's full extent when you have to choose your words so accurately. My views on Muslim and Islam are a completely different matter.

I agree in the majority choosing laws too. However, the fact is that those laws go against freedom. If the Russian people are stupid enough to vote away their rights, then by all means they should go ahead. But their stupidity and blind following of Putin does not show that they are "free".


No, the UAE is not a big trading partner at all. Also, the US does not base its embargoes on human rights records. We trade with pretty much everyone except for North Korea, Iran, and Cuba.

From NPR:

https://i.imgur.com/xlYGKpD.gif


So you believe that you have the right to be bigoted towards Arabs and Muslims but not towards the idiots in charge of the Eastern Orthodox church?

Wow this thread got off topic ...  ::)

No it didn't. We are discussing freedom of speech and other rights. Snowden believes he is fighting for rights.

He doesn't just believe it. He IS fighting for rights.

I sent a couple of Bitcoin to this fund.

Thank you I hope more people donate.

Holy shit 103 bitcoins!

I suggest that somebody trusted starts collecting bitcoins to pay Snowden to release everything he knows and have. To prevent the data or Snowden himself being destroyed by CIA scumbags.

I have the right to be bigoted towards any religion. Religion is for "dumb" people. It has it's perks, sure, but no intelligent person should believe in these fairy tales.


If Germany is not freedom loving,progressive and open enough country, I don't know what is.
Even Canada has a similar set of laws, under hate speech laws.


When it comes to Russia, everybody is used to apply double standards, that's all.

Having no religion is for dumb people  :P

Going to support the Snowden cause by bumping this post

Edward Manning 35 years for showing a video of American Soldiers killing journalists among other things sigh

Back to the topic


And how can we know we can trust this Derek Rothera & Co with the money sent?
How big is his cut? Will Snowden even get a glimpse of that money?

From what I gather lately, percent of actual charity money which reaches it's goal may be as low as 5%.

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2013/06/10/charity-scam_1.png

This is not a charity foundation but a fundraiser for his legal aid. money is going direct minus fundraiser fee for running it.

 BTW I love that charity-scam break down. FYI JP Morgan owns all the cancer foundation charities and they certainly run for profit, knew that for a while now and never donate a penny to those asssholes.

That's why I use moneysense to get a better understanding of where the money is moving.
http://www.moneysense.ca/2013/06/19/the-2013-charity-100/

Enculé  ,Mais tu te prend pour qui toi?

If both of you are Edward Snowden, then I must be Julian Assange.

great site, while reading  stumbled upon interesting TED video

http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pallotta_the_way_we_think_about_charity_is_dead_wrong.html

While I disagree on some points, especially advertising, it's an interesting video. I personally am totally against most, if not all charities, but if you do it, you might as well do it right.

Why wouldn't he withdraw it to his bank account? I hope you realize there are  banks in this world outside of the U.S.

He had balls, did the right thing, and I will support him.

! Je veut bien,
mais tu vois, moi c'est un peut plus différent, c'est tellement je suis fort qu'on m'a 'crever' et on veut pas encore me lâcher
si tu vois ce que je veut dire

Guys, In case if you don't know, it isn't really just to throw money at snowden. It's going to fund Snowden's legal defense team. Although it's possible it may also be used personally by snowden to support himself if he gets in financial trouble. What do I know.

Wikileaks says its for the legal defense team.

True enough maximizing the return on your dollars sent is very important

Oui ,toi passe le bonjour à edward . Dit lui RikikiBiks il te dit bonjour.

àh ,w Goul lou Gal lik 7ta houwa bgha chi 3 wla 10 BTC.

Quant a ça ,je ne pense pas que ca vous sonne dans la tête.

(a lli "arbbk" a rri7 ki jatou yn99z 7lf' ,w yTir liya)

  '5 hi hi

                     

Oh my god:
https://blockchain.info/address/1snowqQP5VmZgU47i5AWwz9fsgHQg94Fa


He got 114 btc?
Wow, I never expected that much.

And he did not spend a single bitcent...

Hope he can make good use of that. I'm sure money is in no shortage for him now. That's good. Well, maybe not if he's with lawyers and stuff...

Yes, they are alive and well. After all, Russian prisons provide plenty of rest and 3 meals a day.

I think he could easily get a lot of Bitcoins (BTC) if he set it up himself and post some proof that the address is – indeed – his. Otherwise, we don't know where the money is really going. There is no reason why he couldn't run a wallet himself, with some trustworthy persons having a backup of it.

Additionally, using just one address is not good as the National Security Agency (NSA) has calculated or will calculate the private key if they have such an intention.

There is a bigger problem related to reused addresses in this context. Tracking down the donators.

Well, they can't make revenge against hundreds of people that easily.

Forget about Snowden, time to start "Free Ulbricht" charity group, lol

I dunno DPR running servers from his house and have all his coins in one btc wallet at home (26000btc) and still stick around in the states, posting his gmail address on clear net and lastly not executing emergency protocol setup to pay out vendors in case of such disaster. This man was not who he claimed to be and I say have your way with him as a pay back to all who lost their BTC today :)
Let this be a lesson to others who will undoubtedly start copy cat sites, if you dont protect your customers and vendors(im not talking of idiots who post their stuff in plain text lol), no one will back your stupid ass up, that is the responsibility you take on when you run such service :)  

The whole murder allegation is dont care about tbh, in that world thats whateves and then risk you carry if you go saying you will talk to feds and leak personal data, so fawk that guy if its true, one less rat big deal ;p


That said Edward does not in any way compare to DPR , as far as im concerned DPR can toss Edwards Salad if they ever do end up in same cell :P

What happened to ironcross360?

Starting to see nice amounts
https://blockchain.info/address/1snowqQP5VmZgU47i5AWwz9fsgHQg94Fa

t'à pas très bien compris. moi c'est "la police"

Can someone ask snowden about this:

Holographic Versatile Disc (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=318859.0)

What is this?

I need confirmation   ;)

Sorry (Orange)

  ;D ;D

orange . .orange . . orange[/color] . . gray   .   gray   *

In most ways, it is.

Ummm... can someone please tell me why Snowden wasn't a downright traitor to the US?  He leaked sensitive US info to two of our biggest competitors, and painted the US security system black.

Also, here's something Snowden fans might want to think about: he left to US complaining about big government imposition on privacy only to seek asylum in China and Russia, both historical and current impediments to personal freedom.  No one can deny that he was a hypocrite.

He betrayed the United States and the people of the US.  Time for Predators to take over.   ;D

Then I'm guessing you're either Russian or Chinese, or a conspiracy theorist who takes US security for granted.

This is really one of the great things about BTC. I remember back when wikileaks first came out, myself, I'm sure like many others were actually afraid to donate with traditional forms of payment, but now with btc I think people feel more free to spend their money where they want.

already sent some in the past. good luck mr snowden!

i wonder if snowden has bitcoins, and if so how many? he had to have known before outing himself that he'd never set food on american soil as a free man, so where else would you put your money? can't put it in gold if you're flying to hong kong.. and he was making 200k/year after all.

Good question.

Edward Snowden is the man!
Great idea for donations to him. He's the man, and deserves this.
BTC - The currency of the revolutionaries.

Somebody prove he's not a complete traitor.  Why are we giving him money?

complete traitors do it anonymously for $$$ or other benefits.

He was #1 a hypocrite, believing that China and Russia are "freer" nations than the US and #2 he has huge amounts of power.  Plus money from ignorant bitcoin miners.

Apparently he's running out of money.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/11/12/Snowden-running-out-of-money--lawyer-says

EVERY country is "freer" than the US...

Besides - some news: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_BM3sW34LQ

By the way russian news ask better/more questions and doesn't just act like a tool of the US government.

Define free for me dude, last time I checked republics are a lot more 'free' than totalitarian regimes.

And speaking of tools of the government, that's exactly what snowden is-- for the Russians and Chinese.

And what government brainwashed you? The US?

The Russian Federation is more chaotic and powerful than the alternatives; his choice was probably not political, but strategic. There he is / was able to maintain status quo and is / was able to vanish in respect of the United States of America (USA). A prolonged stand-off at that location is costly to the United States of America (USA). In a few months, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) will be economically too exhausted to take on e. g. the Peoples' Republic of China (PRC) in combination with the Russian Federation. Then there's the Islamic Republic of Iran, which will be sufficiently thermonuclear within a few years to defer any invasions of its' territory and capable of sufficiently striking its' enemies a decade or so later. The United States of America (USA) are becoming less and less capable or rebuilding in case of Mutually-Assured Destruction (MAD). Within a few months, they will not want to provoke any type of conflict with e. g. the Russian Federation. You were already able to see this with the Syrian Arab Republic. In reality, World War III (WWIII) will bring fourth an authoritarian / totalitarian government in the United States of America (USA). Perhaps the United States of America (USA) are strategically beyond salvation, but its' people are not – that's approximately what Eduard Snowden is doing; perhaps this type of activism is the only hope the people of the United States of America (USA) have in the long run. The United States of America (USA) supposedly exist for its' people, do they not? In the long run, Eduard Snowden is actually the enemy of the external enemies of the people of the United States of America (USA) and is doing these external enemies what we in the "Republic" of Croatia call medvjeđa usluga – a bears' favor. Remember Nicollo Maciavallis' discussions of republics in Il principe: republics can be occupied, but not conquered, but the discussion was about true republics, not republics in name.

WWIII?  what is this?  I thought bitcointalk was for serious engineers and miners, but in reality it's a bunch of conspiracy theorist anti-governments communists.

You didn't really think bitcointalk was 'or serious engineers and miners', did you? 

Try scammers, hackers, spewers of all things inane, salted with some wise individuals that have been here a long time.

Hahahaha fair enough :) 

I wasn't expecting this level of anti-America.  It's really saddening.

We should all support this man.

Who should we support?

https://blockchain.info/address/1snowqQP5VmZgU47i5AWwz9fsgHQg94Fa
I'll be donating some later :P
He is a great man for speaking up.

Edward?

Exactly

We should have him located and sent to prison. The traitor needs to be apprehended and put on trial for breaking his oath and his security clearance. The subject matter makes no difference he is a criminal and needs to answer for his crime. Burn Him!

Shut the fuck up you tools of your government! You have to be really stupid to say something like this.

The only people that are stupid are those who support the little nerd. Its just criminals, and anarchists that think he's great, people with stuff to hide, people that also belong in prison. Worthless criminal scum.

Actually people like you will be called traitors when there will be a massive public revolution in US some years later.
He defaced the most evil economy of this world. The capitalists who spread AIDS, Cancer cause 9/11, killing innocents in Gulf just to cash on it.

+1
And it isn't just because of 9/11. They are generally evil... Look at those 200 killed civilians in near east...

Yes, that's just one of the things. Not 200 my friend millions have been killed in GAZA. US runs and funds Israel. They are worst than evil/criminal/terrorist, so bad that there's not a word invented for that.

Yeah I know... They are the greatest terrorists in the history of mankind....

Our knowing is not enough, It's high time the world knows about their dirty secrets,  to create an uprising, spreading awareness is the first key.

Absolutely.

Its funny how you all go crazy about the US and their surveillance, but you dont want to touch on the fact any and every other country with an Intelligence Organization is running the same kind of operations. Wake the hell up!

There is a reason to be mad at them. Agreed all countries do, but no country ever slow poisons their people in the form of food they eat (Genetically Modified) to speed up the sale of their subsidary medical companies.
And, not just US GM foods are spreading to whole world and thus the rising cases of cancer and some neverheard-before-diseases that we hear nowadays.

How about we start a fund to be used to further the apprehension of Snowden. It will be a Snowden Arrest Fund. That way we can finally catch the little prick and get him locked away where he should be!

Nobody will support you.

they already have that, it's called the most of the worlds biggest governments and it's funded by taxes. 

I do.  And by the way, anti-government radicals are *not* the majority in the US. 

Because the US is full of idiots...

After 40 years in history books: "Media controlled by government was able to convince people to anonymously crowd fund it's own secret agent whose mission was to sow disinformation as a truth."

The best anti-American scenario would be to let your government transform into a totalitarian one, which would then allow an adversary to conquer your country more easily as some would collaborate with an attacker that offers more freedom. Note that privacy is an aspect of freedom.

We had "no idea". Angela Merkel had "none" also. Her shock is especially "genuine". "Absolutely no one" in the Republic of Croatia spies on any / all phone calls, tracks all mobile phones, may establish mass correlation etc., especially "not" Operativno-tehnički centar za nadzor telekomunikacija (OTC) – the Operational-Technical Centre for the Surveillance of Telecommunications, especially "not" without court orders, and basically "everyone" knows what it does and how.

Next you'll claim that Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) services, Electronic Reconnaissance (ER) units, and/or Electronic Warfare (EW) units may even utilize voice signatures at times, that they can read your computer screen, typing etc. from several dozen metres (m) away, even through walls, that it's possible to beam audio to a persons' skull or alter their mental states, that almost all encrypted civilian telecommunications can be decrypted by high-budget Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) services, that the Tor anonymity network is one giant honeypot, that mobile phones can be detonated remotely by an attacker, almost at will etc. What a "lunatic".

What the hell?  You're the irrational one.  Of course every country has got one!

I donated because what Snowden did was right. Showing the real face of the tyrannical government of the US.

Actually meatstick, anti-gov radicals are not the majority of most countries, so I suppose by your thinking every other country is full of idiots as well, eh?

You are an idiot too....

That the best you have to assault me with? Your anti-gov stance and attacks does nothing, except for make me laugh while you publicly flag yourself an anarchist dissident who most likely belongs in prison anyway. You're probably some scumbag trailer trash meth head who feels your freedom is at stake merely because you want to make and sell shit thats disgusting and illegal. I hope you're pleased now that your anarchist criminal enterprise has been exposed, enjoy your pillow-biting prison life.

I don't even read what you are writing any more, because it's just some stupid shit that hasn't got any truth in it.

Something that some of us knew before, yet just needed proof.

Snowden is a criminal, just like the rest of you tax dodging, drug junkie, anarchist meatsticks. Your dissent and anti-government bullshit wont be tolerated much longer and all you scum will be rotting in prison right along with Snowdink.

Hehe, Wake up you frustrated guy CHowCHowMan and start reading and accepting new theories, don't be afraid if the truth is exactly opposite of what you've been hearing from 30-40 years in your life.
@ meeh - Long live Anonymous Legion !  8)

For your kind information, Edward Snowden is not in prison, he's living as a free man in Russia and is employed.
START READING !

I said "will be" take your own advice.

Most of us knew, but didn't care before it became a fact and not a consp. theory.

The only thing stupid here are your lame ass images. The only thing the world doesn't need breeding are criminals anarchist scum like the fools here.

I'm sorry but, you'r wrong here, meeh, more than half of the people of US are still sleeping and never try to dig deep inside the conspiracy theories to know what truth is. If it were the case, a revolution would start on a much larger scale than OCCUPY.

...or maybe they just don't give a f**k about anything except Burgers and Pizzas

Really Occupy?! Hahahahaha, Occupy was the biggest load of crybaby hipster crap. Bunch of whiney ass little unemployed idiots crying that they aren't getting paid. Getting a fricken job!!! Grow the hell up. The best thing that ever happened to Occupy is when Lt. John Pike sprayed those loser hipsters in the face with OC Spray, THAT MAN IS A FUCKING HERO!!!

:)

Its so cute how your only defense to my opposition is calling me stupid and an eater of fatty foods. I would be insulted more on a playground by 10 year olds than you lot...just grow a pair. Get a real job, and earn living, get an apartment move out of the basement or garage apartment, trailer park, whatever...just do something with your life and stop trying to "beat the man." All that is teenage anarchist hubbub of idiots not having the balls to be their own man and make something of their life. Your conspiracy theories are just ways you punks try and justify your inaction of being a real person and part of society. Grow the hell up.

"The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn. "

“The worst illiterate is the political illiterate, he doesn’t hear, doesn’t speak, nor participates in the political events. He doesn’t know the cost of life, the price of the bean, of the fish, of the flour, of the rent, of the shoes and of the medicine, all depends on political decisions. The political illiterate is so stupid that he is proud and swells his chest saying that he hates politics. The imbecile doesn’t know that, from his political ignorance is born the prostitute, the abandoned child, and the worst thieves of all, the bad politician, corrupted and flunky of the national and multinational companies.”

PERIOD

Here we go, more attempts to insult me, but at least your insults are ascending in grade level. Next time try and find something that is original and maybe even apply.

http://memecrunch.com/meme/Q51E/look-son-a-retard/image.png

In fact, for all you know I might live in a trailer park and no job at all, but on the other hand I can also be a rich banker just having fun with you. Funny those assumptions. Actually, this is how conspiracy theories are started according to your mainstream news and government. Stupid people making assumptions where they lack control. ;)

And for your information, I'm not trying to defend anything, I'm just applying what I think about your statements.

I don't care where you live or what you do either way. Nor do I care what you think about my statements, maybe its occurred to you that I am the one having fun here, at your expense. Your buddy he is certainly not getting it, but suppose he is now...but meatsticks will be meatsticks.

meeh is really kicking some ass right now   ;D

Your arguments have fallen so far that all you can do is support another's failing argument, you really are as lame as they get aren't you. At least Meeh here has something worthwhile to say, you are just a muppet, with someone's hand shoved up your ass telling you what to say...do us and yourself a favour, stop speaking to people, any people, all the time, it will just be better for everyone.

Hahahaha...oh, how the mighty have fallen.

History time!  ;D



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You seem confused. Let me sort it out for you.



Decide. Do you care or not? One place you're applying like caring, next you're not. I suggest contacting your local doctor if this continues, it can result in schizophrenia.



Why do you reply then? Isn't the /ignore better? Apparently you care a lot since you have to defend them. Again. Do you care or do you not? Decide.



Tell me how. If you're having such fun, please share it with everyone else :)



Buddy? I don't know him. But he seems fairly more educated and well informed than you.


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Still all your statements are based on assumptions, which leans towards consp. theory which you seem to look so much down at..

As for this post...its so out of fricken control with assumptions and attacks its not even worth replying too, if you picked up all the shit in the world and put it in a single bag...this post of yours is more full of shit. Schizephrenia? really? what is wrong with you? If you were older than 14 you would realize the only thing I actually care about is getting meatsticks like you worked up because I know whats right, and your anarchist crybaby bullshit and supporting of criminals like Snowden is not right. He's a traitor, belongs in prison, end of story.

“Those who know do not speak. Those who speak do not know.”
― Lao Tzu

Keep talking, chowderhead.

here we go, one quote from one man in history is going to make all the difference...

The post is quite fair, look at your own posts. You're saying one thing in one post and the opposite in next post. It's nothing wrong with me. I'm just pointing out that you either have a problem, or you are so naive that you are convinced that you're right so you do anything to win this arguing. As for example go so far that you say against what you said the last post when you post a new post.

Also, your word "meatsticks".. What the fuck is that kind of alias for your fellows (humans)?? It actually seems like you are 14, or a redneck. You act like one.

The moniker meatstick, certainly fits you. You are now going as far and digging as deep as you can to attempt to insult me. The intelligence digs are the funniest ones, especially when you are the one trying to pin assumptions on me, but the irony of yours only makes it sweeter. Aside from that, its very off-topic. Snowden is a traitor and a criminal and he belongs in prison, stop trying to raise money for him, he is not worth it.

Yes, it make perfectly sense. He is a criminal for telling the world that the U.S is doing criminal actions agains the rest of the world. Make perfect sense!

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The subject matter of the security leak does not negate the fact the leak was made at all, its a crime, he broke his security oath and the work done to obtain the clearance. He violated the security of the country, simple fact, and he will burn for it. If you knew anything about holding a position in government service you would understand the importance of the security clearance given to you, and why it is completely dishonourable to violate it as well as illegal.

The U.S violated the security of a unknown number of countries before he did anything. Shall we burn the US and put all in jail for that? That's a crime agains the world, not a country, which is in fact a little part of the world. What about the security leaks of other countries that the US has extracted from this process?


How do you think the rest of the worlds governments feel about their security leaks because of the US? Who's gonna pay for that? The US is a criminal overment! Deal with it!

Interesting thing is, I never said the US Government wasn't at fault for what they are doing. Of course those running it should answer for it, the same way Snowden should answer for himself. It's bad form yeah. But then again, as I said before, Every other country with an Intelligence Agency is doing the same thing, prime example UK and the GCHQ. Its why there are only a couple countries being openly butthurt about it, because they know they are doing it too.

And as you said, he didn't do it to directly harm your contry, since he disclosured other countries doing it as well. It was a act of humanity.

He's "crime" was needed to end the running of it. Perhaps this have been much worse in 5 years from now if he did not. And those criminals would have done this maybe forever in the future. It's a lot of wrong actions done in the history that has turned good.

I'll give you an example, from your own country's history.

Look at your own country, it was founded when rebels chased the englishmen of the land. So in a way, your government was founded by criminals from the englishmens perspective, you actualy stole it from them. I guess you agree on at that was a "right crime" since you're seem to be happy with your government and your land of the free.

So, then Snowdens crime was also a "right crime". You might not see it now, since in this senario you're the englishman that got your land robbed by criminals so I'll guess it would take some time.

Of course the country was founded by traitors, thats easy to agree with. As to say direct harm wasn't done, that leads a lot to be considered. Right now that may be true, but of the foreign governments that are upset, what if a war breaks out, and people die, all because he broke national security, how much of a hero is he to you then?

LOL. You're country is already with war with a number of countries without any of this. IMHO you have bombed so many innocent families in eastern countries that it's way of the limit. But I'm not a violent person, so I won't go so far and say you deserve it back since I believe in peace. And of course, the actions where done by your leaders, not the innocent families in the US. But it's f*** wrong what you're doing today and the past few years to other countries. You are not the world police. The world needed to know what Snowden said. You and your government are not the only victim here, stop acting like one. We will find a solution on this together without war, CHILL.

So yes, he is still a hero. Because this was also a criminal act on the public, not only governments.

Here we go with the World Police stuff...I suppose we can excuse England, Rome and the Mongols for doing the same thing. How the US doing is the worst possible thing ever in the world...Sure its bad, but your level of ostracizing is beyond comparison of prior history. So don't even attempt to compare it, you are just being foolish.

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Alas, he is still a criminal, End of Story.

Hero.

Does mistakes by other countries in the past justifie the US's actions/mistakes today? Do they have the right to do it becasue of England, Rome and the Mongols, and actualy Germany and probably more have done some wrong things in the past? No.

Example:

If your neighbor kills another neighbor. Does this justifie for you killing another neighbor of yours?

Couldn't have said it better.
I just don't understand how people can be so blind, most of them don't really care about the spying anymore, ugh.

Me neither...

Rome thought that they were spreading civilization and civilized behaviour to other countries by invading them, the American government tells everyone that they are spreading Freedom and Democracy to wherever they invade, you know nothing of history, England also thought they were doing the world a favour by colonising people ( I'm British just so you know ) you can go and ask the Irish how well that turned out for them, possibly a hundred years now you still have conflict between the Irish and the English in Northern Ireland.

In some parts of the world that America has clung onto after it finally collapses I can guarantee you that countries will look the same as Northern Ireland and Ireland do now, ethnic groups split into two because of an invading empire trying to enforce its will on everybody, I don't believe that America is trying to be the World Police, I think they are actively trying to conquer the world.

+1 to you. Cloudn't agree more! Good written!

edited up a bit more to make it a bit better :D Edward Snowden has done humanity a service and possibly stopped an attempt to begin World War 3 since everyone will now be much more suspicious of the U.S, he should get the nobel peace prize and I won't let anyone say different.

Still agreeing  ;)

The sun never sets in England America :P

Might as well tell the government to control every aspect of your life.

Now that the btc price is quite high, will snowden sell?

Not high yet.. this is the begining.. He should sell nothing under 2000 U$ !

$5000 is my call.

No country is really "free". But "free" countries like Germany or UK would probably have deported him to US. It's the wisest to go to the countries like China or Russia which like pissing off US and can stand against political pressure, but only as long as you don't piss of those countries. Then you will realize that US with Guantanamo, torture and spying programs isn't so bad after all.

Sometimes, opening your eyes can be painful.
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After listening to (most of) episode 87 of the Peace Revolution Podcast (http://peacerevolution.podomatic.com/), I had to find a way to send Ed some BTC.  Thanks Wikileaks and everyone else supporting that kid.

The NSA still claims that they don't know what all he took.  If that's true, then he kind of holds all the marbles.  It's nice to see someone in that position who isn't actively trying to make people stupid, encouraging them to engage in destructive behaviors, and perverting the potential of the human species by turning it into a master-slave species.  If you check out the podcast, you'll understand what I'm talking about. All the way back to episode 1, PeaceRevolution is awesome!

I'm a big supporter of what Snowden has accomplished and is still accomplishing.  However, I wonder how we can know that Snowden really controls this address (I may have missed it somewhere in the thread, if that's the case, please forgive me).

All he needs to do is to hold up a card with his address(es) in one of the next video broadcasts.

That's positive confirmation.

Indeed, that would convince me for sure.

I wanted proof positive too, but a page on Wikileaks and a reference to this address in a "fundrazr.com" campaign were enough for me.  It would be pretty nice to see a video of Snowden reading this address (or whatever address he could control) while holding up the QR code so anyone could easily verify it.  I had enough infto to send $20 to whoever controls the address.