Bitcoin Forum

What do you think about the new rules (merit) of the Bitcointalk forum? Do you think this is good or not?)
Because of this rule of participants in altcoin bounty campaigns will be less?
Is it possible to offer to exchange "merit" in the topics of posts-This will not be a violation of the rules?
How the new rules "Merits" will affect on the promotion of altcoins?

Looks like you're misplaced for discussion, this is an altcoin section.
Apart from that, merit system is very good because it can distinguish accounts that do shitpost with account that do constructive post. we dont need The Pharmacist anymore :D

I think the new system is very good. It's a good motivation to do good posts as well. Maybe that will make the spam posts less.  ;)

In my opinion, this new rules is really helpful for Bitcointalk forum.
It will reduce the emergence of spam and shitpost but merit for newbie might not be friendly, because when they just know block chain and BTC, they difficult to make high quality reply. And the new rules still have a lot of problems. Does anyone give merit to others?Even if I make a high-quality response.

I feel myself like my mom when I trying to explain to her what is Bitcoin.
I read few topics about new Merit system but still don't understand how it works and how it can make the forum better.

Friends! I agree that it's cool and there will be less spam and unscrupulous users!

I think the new rule (merit) is fantastic! Finally, you can act against spammers, which will allow us to see an increase in quality posts. I agree that it is now harder to get a new rank, but that should be seen as an incentive rather than a punishment. I am pretty sure that the communication between users in the forum will improve a lot.

But if you look at the other side, it's unfair, because there are many ranks. The active member was preparing to become the next month in Sr. Member, and now the old full member and new are the same!

Merit will help us in different ways, cause we won't have different scam anymore and it is reaaly good for society, which want anly usefull information  8)

Honestly, I think it benefits the older users, while it restrains newer users like myself. I am fully aware that something has to be done to separate the good comments from the bad, and by doing that separating the "users" from the "useless", but I am not sure this will work in reality. We will see though. Instead of spammers, scammers and fudders, we just might see a bunch of whiners, whining about the lack of progression in their ranks.. I am not sure that I prefer that scenario over the old.  ::)

If you are here to learn something new and ear real money , you should not care this new update.
But if you are here with 5 profiles, and trying to get money from bounty - signatures then it starts dark times for you.
Regards.

If I dub in a question that because of this rule of participants in altcoin bounty campaigns will be less, it will be appropriate?)

this new regulation to tighten every posting all members in this forum. this good idea to make every members must create good posting or thread(not spam, on topic, and usefull). but very dificult to reach merit. i hope moderator or thymos can give we us waivers about in collecting merit

Hello i am newbie to this forum and this is my very first time to comment,I am too is curious about this merit system and after reading here for about an hour what i have learn is,this new system will prevent spammers from doing shit posting here and for newbies like me this forum would be very important in my learning process and such spam posts would lead me some confusion about cryptocurrency.Overall i see this merit system as a positive thing for newbies like me,we wont get misleading informations from these spammers,am i right? ;)

i dont  have many information about the new rules (merit). i read some posting of my friend that the new rule is important to minimize spam post. we should make a good posting with the high quality.

It is a good move, in my opinion, this will help the forum to be free from shit posts (at least to some extent) and people coming here for some informative knowledge will get what they want without having to see so much useless(low quality)posts.

And the bounty campaigns should not be affected by this move rather now the deserving people will get rewarded. And the volume of bounty campaigns won't be affected.

When I saw it in my profile today, I don't know for now what to say, I'm still indifferent about it, I know something need to be done to improve the quality of post in the space, will wait for some weeks and review its impact on the forum

Yes I think that's one of the best modifications in Bitcointalk, it will prevent some people to create profile only for profits (signature campaigns and bounty campaigns) because it will be more "painful" to up rank an account only posting shitpost ! So I really welcome this new rule !  :)

WOW thanks for making this thread lol because if you hadn't mentioned it I wouldn't have noticed it at all. Well it's nice to know I have 1k credit score and that my posts are not considered sh*tty lol so am pretty pleased with that. Well if it helps to alleviate the forum of spammers and sh*t posting, I am all for it. It's good to improve the quality of our posting and also we need to provide value for the Crypto community at large anyway, especially for the Newbies coming in to learn from us a thing or two.  :D ;D

I like it as it will stop massing accounts because of bounties and there will  be no "great project,joined" spams,but i already see people abusing this sistem and selling merits for money.I would just like to see that it says on post that recived merit something like +1 so we can know if som1 like that post

I think it is a good basis for leveling up. This will reduce nonsense posts in this forum and people who used to spam just to meet up their quota posts and deadlines will think twice before posting. However, this new rule is not convenient for newbies. They still do not know much about stuffs here and they have tendencies of asking questions that may seem nonsense or too logical for people who already know much. That's the downside of this new update.

While it's good for people who are knowledgeable, newbies like me who usually just ask questions will be unlikely to gain merits..  :'(

Would be good to have Merit as the activity at the start, cause for junior member if that account has 2 days before new rank, then it's not enough the merit for new rank.
So at the start of this system i'd connect merit with activity.

Why is this in this section in the first place, for me I like the new rules because it prevents some people to make a lot of accounts to farm from signature campaign. Infact it's better if the participants will be less because the amount that we can get is higher aswell. With this system people will be forced to contribute to discussion to earn merit in order to rank up instead of spamming.

Is it possible to offer to exchange "merit" in the topics of posts-This will not be a violation of the rules? If possible, let's try to do this?)  ::)

I need that Bitcointalk interface should be faster for this kind of collecting points.
Maybe if they lower the required points to reasonable amount. I could be wrong.
Maybe people adopt the new system better and start rewarding others.

I feel confused with "merit" and do not understand how to use it. I read this topic and understood a bit more. But if I no longer "merit" then how?

Spoken like a no-English shitposter who's only on bitcointalk to spam. 

I think the new thing is interesting, but tagging shitposters is still very useful, as it disqualifies them from some campaigns.  In any case, I'm curious to see what effect this is going to have.

I've searched for "merit" on the forum and can't see any official post for it - can you point me in the right direction - i..e where's the official post describing it? :)

Bitcointalk made a new rule to avoid those shit post ,it can make us strive to post in a constructive post in forum.Its a new challenge for us bitcoiners we need a lot of knowledge and learnings in bitcoin to made a post with sense and helpful.

From one side it means less spam, less multiply accounts, better posts quality. But from enother side maybe this will push people to create new market for sail and exchange of merits. Who knows. Lets see what it will lead to.
PS just fill pity that my full member ill get minimum in 3-4 month)))

Hopefully this will weed out all the cheaters who have made such a mess in the bounty sections of the forum and also making all these multiple accounts just for their own greed. I do not like it when others are working hard to make ends meet or help their families but on the other hand you have gangsters and fraudsters farming multiple accounts on Bitcointalk because they are so unkind and greedy and want to steal other people's living. So yes, this is a good idea the merit system.

The main purpose the system is to encourage users to make meaningful and constructive posts. What's more important is it makes it harder for broken-english(like yourself) shitposters to rank up.
And here you are trying to find ways to exploit the system to the point where you're basically begging for merit points.

I agree that this thread belongs and Meta and that in general this idea is good. But it will take some time for users to adapt and really start giving merit to others. I guess we should consider them as likes on facebook, so merit should be given if the post is helpful or if one agrees with that.
As for the op's question about agreeing to give merit - I don't think it's illegal yet, but I suppose it is a bad idea to do that, since the whole merit idea wouldn't make sense then.
It is truly hard to make serious contribution to the discussions on the forum, but at least merit system will stimulate to read more post and try to write something useful.

Here is the official announcment of the new merit systeme and the new rank requirements: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0

I think it is a step in the right direction. It encourages people to post meaningful an constructive posts instead of flooding the forum with useless spam.

You are absolutely right,this system will prevent shitposting in bitcointalk,thus theese account farmers wont have any chance to rank up fast than the usual.Hopefully the community will give a positive feedback regarding this new system because if not theymos might remove it in the future but in overall this system will surely help bitcointalk community.

this is a really good initiative.it will go a long way to help deter people from spamming and creating shitpost.

I agree about encouraging meaningful and constructive posts. However, shittalking people who's english capabilities are below average is a punch below the belt. Be better than that.

As long as it will help resolve the lack of quality topics that is replete on the Bitcoin discussion board, then I am down with the merit system. I am already tired of seeing 'How bitcoin affects your life' type of threads. It's frustrating.

Seems like it may be as flawed as a meritocracy.  How exactly does it work? If you have an unpopular opinion, even if it's fact-based, can other users vote you down?

If your english is not sufficient then don't post in the english sections.
People who understand english are getting tired of copied/translated nonsense posts.

They don't post in the french section writing broken french either right?

I do too. I think it's good since the purpose of the new rules is to actually urge people to post better contents in threads or through their replies. However, I am just unsure of the merit aspect being given by users; I don't know about other people, but I have noticed in my months of posting here that many people don't give much attention to the replies or posts of other people, therefore, since the merit system is based on the person appreciating a content, and giving justice to it by giving a merit point, would be difficult to achieve because not very many would even check on the contents of the posts they see, more so spend the time to actually give merits for it. I am just hoping that ranking up wouldn't become so difficult because of the indifference in giving merits some people may do.

I hope that with the introduction of new rules on the forum will become more order.

Are you the one to decide who copy/translates, and who has writing disabilities etc.? I agree in doing your outmost to write quality posts, but many people with hero/legendary status have broken english capabilities. Doesn't make their posts stupid or irrelevant if the thoughts are good.
And about writing broken french in the french chat; we have a lot of Swedish and Norwegian people writing in broken Danish in the Scandinavian sektion. We forgive for their national handicap.

I would give you some Merit for that thought if I had any. Really good point.

The only difference I see is that it'll be much harder to get an upper rank, even if you're active enough. And I don't see how it can stop spamming on the forum. There'll be merit sellers and buyers, and I don't think it'll be easy to reveal them. And also mutual likes, will they be prohibited? So I would say, I'm not the fan of this new rule.

The intentions may be are good, and of course something must be done to stop spammers and shitposters.
But in this way the only result will be that who is already high ranks will keep his power (look how happy legendaries and hero members are) and the possibility to make profitable campaign; in the same times they take away to us the possibility to grow: I should have been promoted "member" next week, now I need 10 merit to achieve the same results, and I don't know how much time do I need. I don't want to think how long will take to become Full or Hero.
More over, only high rank have lot of merit to give, so we are at their mercy.

I like the idea, but I think that other methods to earn merits should be introduced.

I agree with the reward, as many shitposting are outstanding. Although there are still many people who do not understand how the system works, I am sure over time they will understand and I am sure this system is made for the good of the forum.

while I need to be my full member. why has not it been given to me? Injustice. no admin to help?

active : 125
yesterday 124

WHY ?

I think it should boost the quality of the posts but I also suppose you can rapidly raise your merit if you visit Off-topic and start writing "i hate aborts, I love God" at that freaks' threads. They'll give you tons of merit that way.  ;D

Life's a bitch, ain't it?  I'm liking the new system already, woot woot!

I like this system, it is highly addictive, i just want to have many points, and more than you  if possible

Good luck on that one.

That's fine, all those those people can continue what they are doing. They just don't get rewarded for them, as they shouldn't.

I still try to deepen it, I think it has both sides of difference. but in essence, theymos wants the members in this forum to make good quality and compete each other. that's what I summarize from the post admin. the rest we will try a system of methods like this. hopefully this can make us better and qualified.

It's an interesting system I like it, but I think they need to consider that some merit sources might abuse their merit giving powers such as selling it or give it to their alt accts. Overall it's going to be hard to get promoted in the future for everyone given that merits are limited and some people will hoard for them for bragging rights.

I like this system very much, but malicious people can be use false. It is nice to register each process, but it needs to be tightly controlled.

There will be some specific users who are going to be merit sources.
Merit is trackable, so abuse would or could be noticed.

If hoarding will be a problem they will implement merit expiration.

Things are still a little bit unclear for me but this new rules about the ranks and additions of merit is a great idea to avoid people from creating multiple accounts and abuse those signature and bounty campaigns. i think exchange and begging for merits is against the rules but i dont know how admins and moderators will monitor those who abuse it. hopefully this new rules that are implemented will work well.

I don't know on what is the use of this merit, for what purposes it may serve? I want to know it...can you explain this to us?

To whom will you give your merits ? Many talking it is easy - but we will see what we have than

If true - it will be trash with this merits! People will give it just like - one for one! only like deal! Its not fair!!!

Definitely a good step to improve the quality of content on the platform and in general to improve the atmosphere here.
The creators of the topics and posts really useful for the development of the crypto community will now be more visible.
I urge everyone to use this tool and reward those who are really useful!

I mean, how does it differ from the "trust" system? Don't both just discourage shitposting and show members that are actually helpful?

I really wish they had waited until I was higher ranked. Getting merit is very hard when you are new to the crypto world. I think my comments are insightful, but I don't know how to get people to read them exactly.

Looks compelling, but i still do not apprehend everything. All i think is that this merit rule will do us all good. It will surely serve it's purpose. I guess we all have to do our part, be constructive in our posts and don't exasperate anyone. Treat everyone kindly because we are all part of a team.

Anyone tell me about the new rules(merit)of the Bitcointalk forum.. I don't know more about this.

My real goal to become Sr.Member turned into a dream!) It's a pity that this rule was not introduced a little later at least in March this year!

I still do not understand and still wonder how the new feature "merit" works. how will each member get 1 merit? I see some members who have status Jr. start their merit amount from number 10. I need an explanation.

It sounds good on paper but could be easily abused.

Or it could just be the exact same thing as the trust system. Might go either way.

Yes, this rule will limit the amount of spam - it's a fact! I think that this rule still requires certain improvements, I propose an algorithm in which the time spent on the forum will be taken into account, more hours more opportunities for merit ...

I think this is a great development.  Way too many people are creating accounts and making useless/unconstructive posts solely to rack up posts/activity so they will be eligible for bounty campaigns.  Hopefully this will help with that.

I think " merit " is good solution to create communication between member to increase quality post or activity. For now, I see most members is individual and only create communication with people they need, not all. Besides that, I see post is just only write without meaning ( most like spam or just say hello ), and we all need to change that. I like this new rules and I hope bitcointalk forum will become the best one.

Indeed, it is a very good suggestion, in Bitcointalk time forum can be used as a reference, or rarely someone will take the initiative to give others increase the merit, the length of time online can reflect whether a person is a shitposter, often shitposter just spend very little time on forum, because they have a lot of accounts.

Question for all, tell me in this thread someone added someone merit?
  We are discussing a serious issue of the forum! Somebody put merit on another member here, I do not mean those who are licked!

I think merit rules is good idea but  it's not fair. because the users will send more to their friends. ranking will be very difficult.

I dig the new rules about merit system since it regulates spams and supports those people who really put effort in making sense about their posts. Though it will be hard for the newbies like me to really discuss blockchains and stuff but i really support regulations that promotes quality posts over inessential posts.

i agree with you. Actually for me this is best idea, what ever rules and changes that will be implemented by the staff and moderators because BCT is not a low class or a simply made site for an average porpuses but a world class with business involve and by that to be strict strict is reasonable to maintain the world high standard.

Please, can someone explain the meaning and implication of MERIT on my profile summary as shown below. I am seeing this for the first time.
Posts:166
Activity:140
Merit:100

This is fascinating. Thank you for the update. I think that this is just the natural evolution of one of the premier crypto forums on the net.

Until I understand how this system works, but let's see what happens in the future. Perhaps people will be more responsible to write good posts, and not just spam.

It's a great motivation to do good posts as well. The new rules is really helpful  for Bitcointalk forum. I agree that. there will be less spam and unscrupulous users. ::)

Friends! I started this topic this morning, now in a topic of 86 responses and about 300 views, the topic is serious and relevant, and during this time I was sent only 2 merits! Im asking all newbies and junior members who write that the new rule is very cool, how are you going to improve your rank?

Please where can one read the official announcement link of this very serious important announcement?? I need to read the official announcement from the admin

I think it is definitely a right move for this forum to grow. I find that multiple accounts is becoming a problem in this forum. A lot of newcomers are exploiting the system to get absurd rewards for their signature bounty campaigns. The incorporation of the merit system could definitely provide even more tools to measure members' behavior. Hopefully, this merit system will reduce the number of spam posts on this forum.

nice reset an opportunity to benefit from neutral posts

The new rules of the bitcointalk forum i dont know now if good or not because i read many comment here so i think we need to accept  the new  rules of bitcointalk forum

I'm new so it's hard to tell how difficult this might make progression on this forum for newbies.  Time will tell.

You would need to move this thread to the meta section. As it is written, does not belong in Alts.

I agree that spammers and shitposters had to be stopped.
In some way, the merit system will achieve this goal, but in the same time it kills any chance for people like me to grow, and this is not good for the ecology of the system: we put some effort if we have a hope to have results, otherwise we'll lose interest.
(don't tell me the story that if I write good post people will give me some merits: they are a fixed number, low rank people don't have or have very few, so for sure they'll keep them for friends)
If all low rank people will stop posting, for sure there will be no more spam or shit post (not completely true: high rank have to respect campaign agreements, and don't need merit. I'm not so sure that they will make masterwork at any post) but very fast the whole forum will lose its value.
Btw, we can't judge so early, so this is just my first impression.

After observing the system for a few days and the continual amount of shitposts, I think it's good. At least a lot of these users won't be ranking up anymore. Even me I cannot any longer reach Senior Member unless I make good quality posts, and that's great.

However the one concern I've had and continue to have is this "grandfathering in". A lot of Hero/Legendary accounts have already been farmed and are the worst shitposters. I still believe that the "free" merit awarded to everyone should expire after 1 year, to give everyone an equal playing field in earning their merit fairly. Before the ICO boom this wouldn't have been necessary.. but there's just too many crap high ranks accounts now to give out free merit like that.

I have followed this thread to better understand the implications of the new Merit system on member profiling without grasping much. Alk I could make out is that it  has to do with the quality of posts on the forum. This will be effective for checking spanmers and shithole posters on the forum, but to those who are consistent with quality posts the Merit system will pose a kind of drawback because their ranking up will now depend on the subjective views of some members of the  community on such users' posts. It's like one stepping on the gas pedal and another wheeling the car.

I think the new merit rules will increase the quality of the forum. But also I think the first merit distribution was really injustice. In my opinion, the first merits should have distributed in proportion to activities.

Sorry, I can't still comprehend the new merit system. Who really gives the merit points – the admins or the forum members?

This must be the worst idea ever. For starters why do Legendary members need to receive merit points, they are already at the top of the tree so to them merits are useless. Legendary members should be able to issue merits but not receive them.

The merit system is wide open to abuse, you can see it happening already, where the points are just being distributed among friends and not because the think a post deserves it, look at the stats for the Legendary members they are distributing the vast majority of there merit points among themselves.

One or the Legendary members said that if you post quality posts you will soon move up the ranks, what planet is he living on ? How many people are going to give me any merits no mater how good my posts are, they will just give them there friends and others they are familiar with.
To get up to Full Member I need 100 merit points, with the 1000's of people and 10,000's of posts how is that going to ever happen. (I'm baffled as to how I managed to get 1 merit point already, thanks to whoever gave it, it was appreciated).

It would take at least 4 years to reach the HERO MEMBER because of the merit system (theymos did this for the sake of the forum, because the soul in posting high quality post are dying). If someone is concerned about this because they can't rape a bounty campaign because of the new system then you are just here for the money and not considering the sake of the forum. As we all see the campaigns are one of the main reasons why there are so many off-topic posts, remember that every campaign need at least 10 posts per week, how about a hundred thousand members that has a 10 posts per week? That would be a million posts per week. Even a pretty good poster will run out of words and people will run out of topics here, because it is required to post they (we) have no choice but to post.
The merit system is good for the forum, and I don't think that the promotion of altcoins will change because Jr. Accounts can still participate in the social media campaigns and the forum has a very high credibility in the crypto world. Some of the best investors are not even participating in the campaigns here and they are just visiting this forum and see if there is a new ICO's.
If this is a battle of survival, then those who will stay here is worth it in promoting ICO's than all the newbies and members that are posting garbage just to have a new post.

I don't think that it will affect the promotion of altcoins that much but instead it might increase the rate of campaigns. Coz not many people can join due to this merit system.
Yes indeed.but in every campaign is not of altcoins.
But I would say it will affect all the campaigns.

Forum members can give you merit, the higher their rank is the more points they have to give out and they can give away half of the merit they are getting from others. There are also merit sources who get a number of points every month. That was a shortened version in, if you want to read more go here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0)


They get merit because you can give away some of your received merit to others. If they couldn't receive merit they'd have a limited supply and would end up hoarding it.
If you rank up to maximum you still want to be able to help others rank up. Makes sense, right?

Yes this makes sense but if you look at the stats for the Legendary members they are giving out most of there merits to other legendary and Hero members, how is that helping the community, it's just the rich feeding the rich and leaving us poor souls to starve.
It's like politicians voting to give themselves a pay rise.

It does not take a genius to figure out. Once again, supply and demand. The demand for ICO promotion is objectively growing, the amount of members in the forum is increasing and now high raking members have become a really scarce resource. Hence, a user is more "expensive" now.

What else do you expect from them? Blindly giving out smerits to someone who has joined the forum a week or day ago ?
Dude you don't own those smerits it's their so let them do what they want with it rather than complaining about it.

Yes, that is exactly what they should be doing to encouraging new members to contribute to the community, so what you are saying is that a newbie who makes a great post that contributes to the community should be denied any merits because they are just a newbie ?

You perfectly right, very few chances to get Merits... It's a way to ban entry to bounty campaigns to new ones and have less competitions !

Right on man :) It's definitely a way to keep the prols in there place, if they think that a newbie is going to rise up the ranks (using this new system) on his or her own merit then they are living in some sort of fantasy world. Like I said before the merit points are just being distributed among those who do not really need them, it's just a way to boost there own inflated egos.

I'm kinda confused about the whole merit and activity, could someone please explain what the new standard is