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I don't see a way to deposit BCL on the bitshares exchange.  Am I missing something? 

Is there a premine?

Also, I see a former U.S. senator is on the team :D. This sounds hype!

And it looks like the whitepaper is coming out in Q2 so that's next month right?

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Pre-Mine was for 1 Billion coins... they’re the only tradable coins right now on Bitshares.


Nope. You are not. Only Premined coins are trading at the moment. The team has not devised a way to move mined coins onto Bitshares yet. They stated a way would be devised today but still no word.

This looks like an amazing project. Following for sure.

any bouty ? airdrop ?

There will be an airdrop next month. Check the website for details.

Can you explain the move to EOS and how it works?

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Thanks

Aidrop is expectec many people hopefully many participants.

The team really works!She has already spent one airdrop and everyone got their coins!Now it is expected the second airdrop, around the beginning of March!

Hey, I can translate for portuguese.

If we hold the bcl in wallet, could it be converted to EOS?

this is amazing, a good roadmap, this will be a good project especially in android and ios, now the era by using android and iphone app

"The BitcoinLatina blockchain will be compatible with a wide range of existing Ethereum tools and methodologies from day-one. As development progresses, we will seek to achieve full compatibility with all existing Ethereum toolsets."

Do you want to replace Ethereum?

That’s probably old speak from their ETH blockchain period before the current roadmap. They’re moving everything over to EOS so all ETH will be abandoned including the current blockchain they put in place.

At the moment the ONLY way to make mined BCL tradable is to send them to the CEO (John Gotts) directly so he can manually provide pre-mined coins on Bitshares. He is doing this because he believes miners will flood the market and drive the price even lower so he wants full control of how many mined coins reach Bitshares.

Upon questioning how many mined coins he would allow per miner I was banned from the Telegram and  was also told I was unwelcome as I wanted to “vomit” the market with my coins.

Their CTO quit yesterday morning so, I’m not even sure how they intend to get any of this done to be honest.

Ff for updates and bounties

A good RoadMap..
A good team..
John Gotts is a serious individual and i believe he can deliver a good project..

I have mined this coin, and also holding it... I think it has a good potential..

The whole South America adopting this coin will truly be an amazing concept....


If you have mined this coin.. you can send them back your coins... and they will put same amount of coins in BitShares for you to trade... That is what i have done.. And it shows me they are NOT JOKING. They are very serious and are being supportive..
Very rare you find this in crypto world..  Most of the times developers cheat and run away..

But we mined this coin.. and holding it.. and they are supporting..

Its time for community to help and support this Coin as well...

Done, you can check here :  https://drive.google.com/open?id=1i-c16zWA-E8kc2KYbFKW8n0QnShBeYNz

after you check How can I receive some coins ? if need some translation talk to me.

Suaza, there are a few inaccuracies in your post. First of all, the CTO did not quit and is still actively working on the project. Secondly, John is manually working to get miners their coins inside BitShares so that they can exchange them until the gateway is complete or an exchange comes online. Your assumption about him wanting control is simply incorrect.

Will be any bounty system for example like banner Add ?

algo ?

Apologies. I assumed he had left the team since he’s no longer listed on your ANN or on your site after still being listed early yesterday.

How can you confirm that the CTO is still working on the project. No one has heard from Tim. The only verification we've had was from John Gotts saying he was still there. It's crazy that he was vocal in telegram and on discord, replying to PM's then suddenly he's not.

There is some internal tension with this project and it's just to sketchy to invest in. I'll put my hash/money else where.

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Absolutely wrong.
If John Gotts was not honest. He would have not send us the coins in BitShares.
This project is Legit. Many team members are still with this project and have serious plans.
Speak with various team members, and you will understand..

I am one of the early miners.. and i mined this coin - since i trusted this project.. And still holding my investment in it.. Good Luck.. Always do your own research though.. but i am positive!

Please join us

Bitcoinlatina Indonesia Telegram

https://t.me/BitcoinLatinaIndonesia

thanks.. <3

I think people are still confused with BitcoinLatina, because ANN does not clarify the miners well.

Let's see if I can help.

BitcoinLatina has a project behind the coin, it is not just on more, and I think that can change the view in crypto world.
You can see the first WhitePaper - https://bitcoinlatina.org/assets/documents/BitcoinLatina_White_Paper.pdf?platform=hootsuite

Now the important thing for miners to know, what are the specifications:

POW Algo: Ethash (can be mined until at least June 1, according to the team's, after that would be an swap to EOS blockchain)
Block reward: 3
Block time: 16 sec (more or less)

For those who have not yet realized, this is the most profitable currency of the moment. You can do about 20 BCL with 100Mhs and you can do the maths by seen the exchange - https://wallet.bitshares.org/#/market/BCL_BTS

For now we can not put the mined coins directly into the exchange, but Team will do it for us as already described.

So enjoy mining.

Here are some more important links:
Explorer: http://explorer.bitcoinlatina.org/#/
Wallet: https://github.com/bitcoin-latina/clavis-wallet/releases

i come to mine BCL a few weeks ago. Friends were asking me if i am crazy, i have to earn the investment of my rigs back, i should do this or that. so.... time pass and they were laughing and yelling this isn't a intelligent thing what i am doing. i stayed strong. i believed. then i saw a few cowardly mining people starting rumors and began to offend the CEO John Gotts. My friends again warned me and told me to mine something else. I stayed and i saw what some of those anonymous internet miners want to do with John and his team. Attacking all over the discord channels, flaming, talking bullshit and so on.

I asked myself - ok - what if money isnt the issue. What would i do then?

I would support John and the Team, support the whole thing BCL and his outstanding intentions and keep mining and praying that BCL should not only change my life, it should change the life of the latin America majority.

So after 2 weeks i saw that all promises of John was real and finally when i look in my BTS Account I can see thousand of thousands of "real Money" and NOBODY IS LAUGHING ANYMORE. honest, the also startet to join the BCL Community and begin to mine, buy and hold.

BCL has so much amazing potential, lets move this thing forward. TOGETHER.


WE ROCK !

WEN CAN MAKE THE WORLD A BIT BETTER THAN IT IS TODAY.

The difficulty is rising, but with 100Mhs you can still make about 15BCL/day. The exchange rate is now on about 1BCL=10BTS.

Each BTS is at 0,21usd, so do your maths... This is the most profitable coin to mine with GPU. And with an huge plus, the project beind.

Go to telegram, the admins are there to help.

See you all in the pools.... Safe mining  ;D

Net Hash is jumping.
I think soon with 100 MHS you can make 1 BCL a day...

Pretty soon we will be back at 60-70 BTS ( $15 - $18 price per BCL)

Start mining and investing... soon this will be at $20+

There was only one exchange on bitshare, I think the miners were forced to sell low cost BCLs. Income does not guarantee they will not mining BCL.

Totally understand, you should put your money and effort wherever you choose. However, I can confirm that Tim is still on the project because I'm on the team and I've spoken to him personally about it.

We have big things planned for this project, it's about way more than just a coin. This is about giving Latin America tools so that people can empower themselves financially. Our hash rate has doubled since yesterday which is very exciting. Come join us in telegram to chat with our team and learn more about BCL: https://t.me/BitcoinLatina

If somebody is interessted to buy some BCL, I have some to sell. (only with escrow services)
send me an offer via PM

Why would i buy from u when there's an amazing price on bitshares?

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translation into  Ukrainian

I believe in this project.
Yes we can! Make Latina America great again!

How to DEPOSIT BCL to https://wallet.bitshares.org/#/market/BCL_BTS ?

Net Hash jumping.
Time to mine more ASAP...

This has been an insteresting project so far. With an ambitious roadmap and fair and honest team, I for one will certainly continue to mine and support this project.

Long live BCL  :)

This is a ETH for mineable coin for now. And header misleading miners. Please change header , or repost the ANN before too late. After june it will go Eos. Still Dagger Hashimoto/ Ethash algo.. and very profitable. Make your own investment. Atm best coin for profit. + It will skyrocket.

because I'll make a discount comparing to bitshare. of course!

Anybody Help how to deposit BCL to Bitshares ?

You can t deposit BCL straight to BitShares - mining-BCL (ethash) and token-BCL (which trading on exchange)
is two different chains.

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Right now you can change you mined BCL only through manual swap, which happens ONLY in this Sunday (March 4).
After this BCL team want s to cut off swap possibility and wait for transfer to EOS ecosystem.


1) Go to this link and fill the form:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1iFdaApiGPVYoEwE-FDShwZQlX7esZI2Df_ngx75IR58

2) Wait a response mail from swap@bitcoinlatina.org

3) In this mail you find the BCL-address, where you need to send BCL amount, which you want to swap

4) After you responded the mail and send coins, just wait when BCL-tokens will be transferred on your BitShares account

What is your project?

Me gusta mucho this project! Buy the dip and hodl!
Ez 100x   BTCBTC xD xD BTCBTC

Looks like a bunch of nicehashers came in and spiked the diff, to where other projects are more prospective for a tiny miner such as myself. Still something interesting that I will keep an eye on for the future.

Miner beware!

The team is discussing phasing out the swap into Bitshares as early as Monday to avoid miners from dumping coins often. They want miners to hold off from selling until the EOS chain swap starts happening some time during the summer.

BCL has 2 unrelated coins at the moment: The mined coins in the ETH based blockchain and the tokens issued within Bitshares.

At this time the ONLY way to get mined coins on the Bitshares exchange is through manual swap by sending your coins to the BCL team and them issuing you coins on the Bitshares platform from their tokens. This option may end as early as Monday. If so, no further mined coins will be swapped by the team into Bitshares until the EOS launch. This is to force “short term” miners away from the project and to keep those miners interested in becoming witnesses after the EOS blockchain launch.
 
A few facts:
-John Gotts issues coins at will on Bitshares and DOES NOT need miners to do this. (He does this often also).
-John Gotts’ wallet account on Bitshares is named Satoshi-Wagyu. Its activity is available openly on the Bitshares chain. https://wallet.bitshares.org/#/account/satoshi-wagyu
-The ETH blockchain is phased out and is more a headache than anything to the BCL team at this point.
-It’s unlikely the atomic swaps on Bitshares for the ETH blockchain will ever take place anymore based on current events.

Mine this coin at your own risk!

I would like to point out that BCL pool owners are also concerned, here is a warning on http://bcl.minerpool.net/#/


PLEASE CONSIDER THIS WHEN INVESTING/MINING.

Hello community bitcoin latina! I see that is not so good, but I think that this is all temporary,the team is actively working on the project,because I don't sell my mined coins!Good luck with the project!

we will see.

You have a google form for coin swap for miners.

If I don't receive a response it's then for sure a scam

Interesting, there are quite a few cryptos coming out targetting the Latino market. I assume this is too or why have it in the name.

How are you planning on adoption? All the plans I've seen so far from your competitors are severely lacking. Some have an obvious lack of market fit too. Why is yours different?

I m, personally, swapped coins once and all was good.

What does it even mean to label a decentralized cryptocurrency with limited geographic area? Like, how would you prevent others from using it or why would you even want that?

The swap is legitimate as no one has reported not receiving their coins in Bitshares. Some even reported receiving extra coins with it.

The real problem though is the swap may end as of Monday which means you wouldn’t be able to swap anymore mined coins until the EOS launch.

The timeline right now depends on block.one releasing their source code which probably won’t happen until EOS launches its own blockchain in the summer. So realistically you could be sitting on those mined coins for an indefinite amount of months before you could exchange them anywhere.

The team has a meeting today at noon EST and will be discussing this but based on the fact that this was announced by John Gotts I’d say it’s almost a sure thing.

Why BitcoinLatina using EOS as their Altcoin-Based?.
And, i'm not sure Latin America have Big-Based Investors as Asia/Europe/America Does?.
Anyway, i hope this project can be long-term project and answer my uncertainty before.

I am following these guys from months. The thing I like the most of BCL is their team, you can easily reach them and they are helpful and able to answer to all your questions.

I strongly suggest to take a look to their growing community as they are very transparent about all the next steps.

I know of 1 person who 100% has not received their coins they sent in.

If they choose to voice their concerns here I am sure they will.

As for me? I will keep my coins.

Also, I have shut down my bitcoinlatina pool and all payments have been processed.

Good luck everyone with your future ventures, I wish you the best but i am outta here!

I am disappointed by the admins ... this morning I asked them questions and tonight I am learning that I am ban of their channel telegram. My english is not perfect ok but i'm not insulting anyone.
This is the first time that I ban I have asked questions about the sequence of events. I bet he will ban me with my email so I could not even sell my mine
I support the project and I was preparing a video on the subject. But now my opinion is changing. I hope at least an explanation of the admins

so far I haven't received any answer from the team  >:(
smell like a scam, be carfull with your hashpower....

There's nothing to stop the world from using it but Latino expats sending money home to the family might very well prefer the familiarity of language and cutting out the middleman (Western Union) to get a cheaper deal. That a coin is in their language with a web design look and feel that speaks to their culture would certainly make it easier for the expat to help get their family member crypto savvy. We're still in early adoption phase, especially in SA.

Thats all well and good but without mining how will the people access the token/coin and without a way to sell mined coins after sunday - 3-4-2018 ---- people cant mine for 3 months and not sell.

No one does this, not a single coin I have ever heard of does this. You're asking miners to send you, in good faith, a non-reversible transaction and trusting that you will honor the 1:1 exchange. While I do not speak for everyone......I find this highly suspect and this issue should have been addressed prior to the launch of the coin. I mean....did you all really think....I mean really think miners would mine for months and months and not want to sell???? Further, did you really think so many coins would not be mined? And the only reason you're moving to EOS is you hate that miners can get your coin for pennies, it literally costs pennies to mine a single coin. Which investor bought for 60+ bts per coin prior to mining and I bet they are PISSED!!!!!!!!!!!

So, you have a real issue on your hands.......

1. You create a mineable coin/token ---- Made its value approx. $15 per coin/token
2. Sold investors on your coin/token at $15 a coin/token
3. Miners came in and the instant you realized....oh shit.....the coin/token is costing them pennies to mine.
4. You then realized the moment those 1 million+ coins hit the market.....EVEN IF, they sold at 30 BTS per coin....A HUGE PROFIT for mining
5. It was going to crash your market

Now here's where you went wrong, your team pissed off A LOT of miners.

Had you not banned every single person that had any question about your coin/token/foundation, shit would have gone smooth as silk. We would have been happy to put our coins up for 60+ BTS no issue. Problem is you pissed off miners......we will sell every coin we mined at cost....maybe a little more......guess what happened......well you don't have to you can see the value of BCL.

The only reason you want EOS is so you can remove cheap coins from your market.

What you should have done is not copy and pasted eth - you should have built in diff spikes and or increased the block time / reduced coin reward to more closely match the results you expected.

You guys have a team of business minded folks totally respect that 1000% and I am sure you guys kill it in the business world, but as I said before miners are a fickle group of people. Sure, a lot of people in the crypto industry are business minded but very weary of anything that even seems a bit off.

Oh, sure you will have miners no problem but the real miners, the BIG players with 5+ GH/s farms......you will not get many of those.

You know what though, I could be totally wrong. I have a bit of BCL that I will be holding and I hope that come June I will be able to sell it for 100 BTS each. If that day comes and is a reality great!

Still does not negate all that has happened these past two weeks.

If you think you can hide behind the safety of Telegram and ban all that dare enter, that's on you. But here, on this forum.....You can’t silence us. This is where we live BCT Forum is home!

Well said, the "CEO" of BCL will eventually if not already dig the grave for this project. He lacks professionalism which is apparent in everything he does.

I read a few times but not understand. Is there 2 BCL? in clavis and bitshares. I'm a holder for all coins,not a trader. I won't sell any coin until my target will reach.what do you suggest for me,hold in clavis or bitshares?

If you have BCL in your clavis wallet it is there until the CEO allows you to transfer, currently the only way to transfer from clavis to bitshares is 100% at the discretion of the CEO

By his grace alone are we allowed to mine his coin, it is by his grace and mercy we are given the honor and virtue of being a part of his coin.

WE THANK THEE OH MIGHTY CEO SHALL YOUR PRAISE BE EVER KNOWN!!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone sing

"Oh praise the mighty ceo for his is the only coin, we thank thee oh mighty ceo thy grace is ever present........."

It is by your hand alone we are honored with the coin.

Let us pray.......

What does it mean to be "implementing" EOS?
EOS is a smart contract platform, so will this be a token running on top of EOS?

this one going to become scam coin for sure....

ceo john gotts changing decisions from time to time... he is doing doing everything in  centralized way

admins - they are pity..if we ask any technical questions..they will ran away or block you for sure... 100 % scam....

everyone dumping this coin... within 2 weeks of time price drops from 70 bts to 3 bts

dont believe in this project.... the team and admins are very arrogant... they dont have knowledge about any technical things... they cant even help you with wallet issues....

its a centralized concept... they dont give value to miners... we dont have freedom to move coins from wallet to exchange.... for everything we should mail to CEO... if he show mercy on you, then he will add coins on exchange... totally crap

they dont have proper information about total supply of coins.,.,..

some times they says 1 billion coins...some times 10 million....

out of 1 billion coins... 50 percent going to be AIRDROPS.... lol

dont mine this ... dont invest into this.,...

total SCAM

100 percent SCAM....

Changes of plans in this project are really extreme... and also I am missing some proper spanish localization

Ok but couldn't you have just taken an established coin and adjust the language in that wallet and provide instructions?

I think it creates doubts about the abilities of the team behind the project by using name of Bitcoin. Anything which use that name really doesn't look good in sense of lack of vision and confidence in their project. It could look more good being introduced with original clear name and idea juts my thoughts on this.

What really makes me angry about the bcl-team. they are playing a game of "good hodl-miners" and "evil-dumper-miners" right now. They just don't have the balls to admit, that the problem was a sheer lack of knowledge about mining, the mining community and how it gives value to a coin. and even now...the admins have no idea. one of them didn't even know if the bcl-tokens that are mined right now, will turn into eos-tokens or not. my god, those people have noooo idea about crypto....

haha really funny admins

if you ask any technical question.... and the next minute you will be banned....

i had issues with clavis wallet...so i asked their admin @ileana for help.....

she dont have knowledge  whether .exe file works on windows or MAC ..she told because of hardware issues clavis wallet not syncing .. i asked her how to back up keystore files .... the next minute she banned me.... lol

there is another admin named ADAM... i asked him about clavis issue... he told me to restart my computer ...

all admins are idiots.,... boot licking ceo JOHN for free coins.....

100 percent scam scam scam....

dont mine this coin.....you will regret later.... be aware of it.... they  banned hundrers  of  people who asked any question related  their project or about total supply of coins .....

This project is very different. It is centralized and intended to be regionalized (Latina). I think it has lack of transparency. I bought and sold the coins on BTS exchange, and again the price is almost being dictated as there are buyer/buyers with tons of coins at certain prices to prevent total crashed, Otherwise the price could have gone to 0.

In my opinion, HODL is the very risky.

If you guys want to help the Latina people, I know a Brazilian coin that can beat this one.
That Brazilian coin has 5 million total supply and the price is not expensive. It is minable, stackable, and also has been around for a while.
PM me if you are interested

i hope fopr you, your target is not too high!

i would put it up on bitshares..so you can maybe sell it, before eos hits... think about it...there are 1 billion coins...for this shit to ever reach 70bts again, it would have to beat litecoin...or cardano and neo togehter in marketcap. if i was an intial investor for 70 bts i would be more than pissed... but since they were stupid enouth to buy it for 70 bts, they are probably still in denial. they have nothing to show for, but the plan to go to eos and to "bring the blockchain to latin america with satelites" ... to say it in john gotts words... if they ever shoot up satelites, i will eat my own d**k...

I was banned too few days ago, just by pointing admins on fact, that BCL-team 3 or 4 times in a row
change a date of the swap (mined coins to BitShares coins) and not keep their promises, which is totally
not appropriate for public company.

But Adam - one of the admins of telegram channel - say, it s called not the “breaking promises”, but "changes".
And if i m continue this conversation, i will be banned.

It s all the same as they close Discord channel - anyone who was disagree with something or have any concerns
against admins actions or what BCL-team is doing - was banned.

As a BCL-holder, i was very surprised, that company can threat own coin-holders like this and
think it s very unprofessional and extremely poor business ethic.

I m very disappointed in BCL, because i mined it one of the first and things looked promising and profit
was very nice, but today i m more and more don t like the way, where BCL is going.

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I do not like this coin, run while you can ..

This is on point and check my post above. It raises the question why you wouldn't just take an established coin like Bitcoin and provide educational material on that or adjust the language in the wallet. Much easier than maintain your own currency, but it wouldn't make you any money.

I think they are going fine. Goal is same, It havent changed since first day. If you are looking for a money making coin short term, they stopped it for a while. You cant transfer mined coins for now up to the they use Eos chain in June.Maybe they let some coin swap on bitshares.org , so you can sell some coins for bills+ profit. Its not scam at all. Some claims its scam, funny. There is a risk always in crypto world. But I see this coin as an oppurtunity. With Eos , this coin will make much more better. And you have 3 months to fill bags. After it goes to Pos , you have no chance to mine it. Team is reliable. They have good ideas. You should learn about it more before too late. Make your own research, not to regret 3/6 months later.

was in the Dominican Republic, they need a cryptocurrency, maybe the country will rise because of this. By the way, the team is very large in this project, never not seen such a

I'm not sure why people is beating BCL so hard, I've reached out to the team in some occasions and I've always been treated respectfully or given the information I needed. It seems to me these are unhappy miners who have been left out from quick profit when the company decided to switch to long-term mining before they become the first EOS-based blockchain, which may not make everybody happy, but to me, it adds credibility to the project.

I'm from Latin America, and I want my country and all the countries here to benefit from the power of decentralization and the ability of blockchain to make the impossible possible: so many people here and in other countries in the world don't have access to banks and are left out of the system.

BCL isn't a utility coin and moves differently in the market. Although very promising in terms of security and social impact, it's in its infancy, and as any other coin, it has risks and odds that no one can know about.

I'm in the BCL Telegram group a lot. I don't know why people is so angry about being banned. While it is true this isn't great, I've seen some very rude and aggressive people in there, whose ban was frankly a relief. I'm also an eye witness of many of these people posting here, sharing just the half of the truth they want to be seen, in order to be right. Who cares then, if they don't say what the company made right.

The swap has been late, it's true, but it happened, and everybody got their coins on their Bitshares wallets. Those angry people commenting here are most likely the ones who are dumping it as the only way they have to discredit a project that let down their mirage of quick profit.

It takes patience. These people seem to lack understanding about the current moment in crypto: you can't just expect a new technology to work as a bank ATM for quick cash; some of the most promising companies running projects such as the BitcoinLatina's one are startups, and don't work nor progress in the same way as big corporations do. Complaining about not getting the wanted results in the desired time, means not being realistic and reasonable.

Just think of all the problems all the ICOs, exchanges and coins had, and have even now: security issues, attacks, hackers, FUD, ups and downs - this is a new territory, new market with new opportunities and new (and old) risks.

They're up and running and at the same building a credibility: huge task for any newborn coin, as for BCL too.

Blockchain and crypto are for people with a long-term mindset. Just be patient, folks.

This coin is maybe the worst thing I've seen outside of outright ponzi scams like bitconnect.  Ask yourself the following questions and see if you can come up with a good answer:

What is the point of the current mineable blockchain?

It isn't there to be used.  No one transacts business on the BCL chain.  It is intended to be ended in June.  So with all of that said, what exactly is the point? 

Why did the Bitcoin Latina Foundation have all of its assets drained and transferred to John Gotts personal account?

This is maybe the most important point.  When the original BCL was sold to investors for 70 BTS per, the proceeds went to an account for Bitcoin Latina Trust.  At some point all of the BTS and BCL that was in that account was transferred to John Gotts personal account.  Which he then used to cash out via Blocktrades and Binance as well as to buy the BCL in a desperate attempt to push the price up.  He bought it all the way up to 20 BTS.  The market has since dropped back to 3 BTS.  He claims this represents his personal funds, but there is no explanation as to why the Trust would just send all those funds to John. 

Why did BCL distribute 200 million tokens to their staff already?

Even at current prices that is almost $100 mill USD for 3 months of work.  3 months that has produced no useable technology and no visible latin american community.

Why are all the political "advisors" in the announcement message anti-immigrant build-a-wall republicans?

I mean... seriously?  You think the people of latin america are going to rally around a bunch of people that want to kick their relatives out of the U.S.???  These are the people John Gotts has worked for and supported in the past.  I doubt his views differ from theirs much at all.

Why is John Gotts giving 2 million BCL to Jared Rice from Arisebank?

Arise bank was shutdown by the SEC.  BCL claims to want to be the "first" (they're not) SEC compliant crypto. Does anyone believe that the SEC is going to support a coin that is literally funding the defense of someone they are prosecuting?

Where is the transparency?

John Gotts promised that the issuance of the 1 billion tokens they control would be completely transparent.  He said there would be a spreadsheet detailing who got what and what work they did for those coins.  As he tries to sell people coins for $17 a piece and people send him 100's of thousands of dollars.  He is giving away 100's of thousands of BCL to people like his cousin, Jared Rice and Crypto Connie for minimal to no effort at all.

Why have some large early investors gotten 5x bonuses on their coins while small early investors have gotten nothing?

Some of the biggest investors at 70 BTS have received up to 5x their holds as a bonus from Gotts.  He has done this secretly (though the blockchain knows all), and has not offered to do this for the many small investors who have been just as damaged by the price falling through the floor from the initial 70 BTS price to 3 BTS

This is really just the tip of the iceberg.  There is so much more that is wrong with this coin and I encourage anyone that is thinking of investing to do a ton of research before putting any of their hard earned money into it.

Or better yet, do yourself a favor and just stay far far away from this one.

I m fully support all, that MtGotts say and really WANT TO HEAR ANSWERS from the BCL-team to this questions.

Here, IN THIS THREAD, where we can freely discuss and can not be banned with no reason.


In addition, i want to ask one more question (it was mentioned already, but not specific):

Why youtube blogger Crypto Connie get 100 000 bcl for few videos?

Even on current prices (3 bts - which is very low and on the dip), it s 16 000$ at the moment.

- Do you think it s fair to initial investors, who buy BCL for 70 bts each?

- You think it s fair to miners, who get 20-50 BCL for 100 MHs/in 24 hours power?

- It s not my business, of course, but i heard people from the team get 50 000 BCL for 3 months work.
  3 months work and few youtube videos? C mon :D

I totaly agree with the last phrase from MtGotts

This is well said. I find it sad that they sent out a message on their telegram that any supporters come try to dilute the truth that people are spreading here on BCT. The simple fact is something's not right with this project however there are some people that are too much of a sheep to see the wolf staring them in the face.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399574618744160256/422151859801817108/unknown.png

Their telegram is run in a manner in which anyone exhibiting speculation or hesitance is immediately banned. Some may be justified for being utterly rude, but the majority are not.

I was told a sob story by a miner who invested 100 thousand Euro into mining hardware and couldn't pay back the debt, yet he remains loyal to this shitcoin. To those guys, we warned you, but you didn't listen.

Cheers folks!

Message from official BCL telegram, from one of team member, Ileana:


"If you have a BitcoinTalk account, please all converge to our ANN to help with the scam comments we're receiving.

Nothing is more important and credible than an external voice sharing a positive thought in there.

Please don't argue with the people who are insulting and defamating us.

Let their poor judgement and bad intentions be overwhelmed with positive comments - if you believe in our project and want to support it."

These comments are very far from truth. I followed this coin from the beginning and I have seen any sort of menaces, bad words, porn pictures posted by random telegram users.
With a comms tool like telegram, its impossible to permit to anyone to write the same rants  from fake users every day. I have read every day that the mods were asking to be polite and to not offend anyone, only in that case I have seen users banned.

I guess that the reason is that the project changed direction a few times so the people that were there for other reasons were angry about it.

I must say that the last direction it is great, looking for crypto adoption in LATAM with EOS looks like a brilliant approach in my opinion and I will follow them until the launch.
I dont understand haters if I dont like a coin I dont join their communities and waste my time with them.

i invested round about 100k in mining hardware and so on - i never told anybody that i could not pay my depts, because our company makes a lot money for paying the bills.

PEOPLE - don't trust Haters - they are just a product of success.

i believe in BCL as i believe in that what the real John Gotts is doing..... and i won't stop mining till EOS.

Consider my post, think about it and don't let others think for yourself.

Really friendo?

wich of the points that mtgotts said, are "far from truth" as you claim? can you be more precise? i have not seen a single wrong statement...
yes, i got to agree...there were members that posted porn, and their ban surely is ok. but i have also seen people getting banned for normal questions. then they did not get an answer and after asking again, they got banned.
John Gotts himself said, that the Telegram chat is not a public-community chat. its only a room for friends of bcl. with that shitty comment he is just trying to justify banning people.

And like MtGotts said... there are many more things... like the disappearance of Tim Mesker. Who most likely got hit with an NDA - since he does not answer to anyone who askes him a question. The whole thing is just a nightmare so far...

And xcon up there (known as David W.) in telegram just calls everyone who has valid questions a "hater" cause he is too much of a newb in crypto. He does not see/understand all the problems. Took him forever to figure out, that the bcl-coin he is mining, is not the same as the token sold on bitshares. even after it was explained to him he did not get it. he even falls for the long-term/short-term mining stuff.
so consider this, too, when he tells everyone that he is mining this coin and everyone else is a hater.

david/xcon... are you able to answer mtgotts questions properly?

 ;D i don't care what you or this fake mtgotts are saying and i am not going to comment this piece of ......... you're just another E.L.F. in this crazy thing we call Life. All the best to you and don't use my name again while flaming BCL or John Gotts. Thank you.

I have a good advice for you: Call your mommy instead of masturbating while posting this crap.  :-*

 i wonder how many people follow your advice now, after writing a comment like that... nice to know that people like you are in the core of bcl

That is exactly what people are talking about. David, you are the perfect example. Now you are getting very rude. To bad, i can't be banned by you in here. You are not answering the question, because you can't!  Everyone can see that you are doing that. But you also don't say that his questions are or statements are false, because even an bcl-admin said that they are not fake.

it is very unfortunate that in the comments here I did not see much useful information, but only silly messages with advice and so on. I think it is worth spending more time discussing the project, since you are here

Wow this sure seems like an interesting coin.    I am going to have to do some research into this one.  So many cash grabs out there.

This will be my last post as i'm done with this shitcoin and giving it the courtesy of a "bump". It's sad to see how delusional some people are. Asking legitimate questions and calling people on their bullshit to get to the truth classifies you as a "hater". You sheep enjoy getting smoke blown up your rear end with all of your "success". Let me know how well you pay your bills with a coin you can't swap and selling at 3 BTS.

Enjoy!

There is nothing useful here, cause bcl-admins etc. stay away from bct-forum, since they can't ban people here. they are aware of posts, like the one that mtgotts brought out, but there is no response to it...

We as a community could need such thorough analyses much more often to protect people from being scammed. Well done!

1. wallet full of bug

2. discord close.

3. kick miner from telegram and said miner is short term hodler.

4.if  asked for technical issue and admin cant answer the question, u will get banned and your msge in telegram will be erase..i do believe many people come and asked for wallet and transaction issue...and mostly they come and never comeback...


last time i saw david said he will put everything he has...he has 3ghs power on it....but now? i didnt see any 3ghs in minerpool? is david also will dump his coin soon??he has 30k coins now...

http://bcl.minerpool.net/#/miners

check this.....

David is brainless guy.... he is rich but no brain... he is noob into crypto....JOhn is very greedy fellow... he knows only ban people from telegram who question him ....

he dont give respect to miners... daily he changes words... before he told mining will be there until EOS launch... today he told he will shut down entire chain .... and they are not moving coins to exchange....

Its waste of mining this coin....total confusion.... JOhn changes words like chameleon... no transperancy.... he use filthy language to miners who question him.... again he clears chat history on telegram.....

hey DAVID...  you told you are loyal miner for BCL with all your 3GH/s mining power.......

i cant see 3GH/s miner any where on pool.... lolz you shifted to some other coin like JONathan did....

you guyz have no belief in BCL project... why misguiding people on BCL community....

everyone knows that you and JOHN had secret agreement ... at last you people will dump small miners....

LOL... he shifted out from BCL..... seems like this bcl will go larger but will dump like bitconnect.. no real product happen...  Seems like they have good admin answering questions....Lon ...if he doesnt know, he will not answer and waiting others admin... not like illena and adam...once u asked them and they cant answer your questions... u will never see that group anymore.


3ghs davids "farm" is missing.... i just wondering he will continue mine till june as he told everyone in telegram last time... little bit for adam... if you asked him question now, he will give u pdf... read it yourself... LOL.. people come to invest and read it yourself...they want people to invest their coin but they never entertain especially if you come as "miner"..... wt# is going on... he doesnt know anything about crypto...luckily they cant ban us in here...LOL

got questions buddy....why they wanted to help latina people even american still got people which is need help?something fishy right happen in here? lets say....if bcl got 20usd per coin...crypto connie has 50k on her...she has 1m usd soon...easy money for her right just make youtube interview....

regarding david....
for sure david will dump his coin 30k bcl later on.. he is miner...for what he hodl that for about 1 2 years with no value.. this bcl team cant accept any single words from miner..and they hate miner very much....


if anyone want to invest...invest with your own risk.... hope adam and illena come here and we try to talk....if  he still got ball on him... :)

So....let me get this right in my brain here...

1. BCL released a token that was forked from eth and put that token on bitshares at 70 BTS per bcl and sold alot of it

2. They knew it was minable......but didnt realize how easy and cheap it would be to create new coins????

3. Did they never intended to use the mined coins?????

4. Did they think mining would be harder?

5. How can a team in crypto be so ignorant when it comes to mining???

5a....anyone that has ever mined for any amount of time will tell you a new coin is easy to mine and cheap!!!!

6. Do they really think they can control the price at 70 bts when miners get the coins for pennies?

7. They dont even need the blockchain at all, they premined 1 billion coins to use as "tokens"

8. Why use eth as their coins base, did they not know it was going to be mined????

9. Is John Gotts a little.....simple in the head?

10. AND they fired Tim, that was stupid

mhm, first time i saw a shitstorm against my person. well - interesting point of view what you have ....

of course you did not check out the official bitcoinlatina pool, because thats where i have stayed, all the time. with a short break of 3 days. nd in THESE DAYS i put nice hash over bcl.minerpool.net - so i never stopped

i am a brainless guy - rich - but brainless ?

well - it depends who is telling me that  ;D  just another E.L.F  ?

or some very intelligent rich person ? nah, i don't think so...

So the original Mods, which was fired for inappropriate behavior, try to throw shit over me ? do whatever you would like to do, but i simply don't care.

as a BCL Boy i am biased, don't take my postings as an advise  ;D

Here is a snip from Telegram

John Gotts:
My belief is still that mining may cease at 11:59pm EST Sunday.

People will be asked to fill out a form to return 100% of their coins from Clavis, to be reissued at BitShares, where there is a single BCL token, representing mined, founding team and volunteer crypto.

If mining halts Sunday night, until voted-in witnesses are put in place and the new software is ready, those BCL tokens represent a finite number of coupons for the  EOS-based blockchain when its available, which may be sooner than later, perhaps in weeks.

Until then the coin will be on BitShares as BCL, waiting for the 1-1 swap for the new Blockchain crypto.

Mining would continue through 11:59pm Sunday EST and return & re-issuance would occur exactly as before, over a 24 hour period.

Interest has been expressed from a person/group of miners who would like to take over the old chain sort of like Ethereum Classic and if they do it will be without the pre-mine and without any who wanted to move to the EOS-based chain.

Our focus is blockchain-agnostic. We are moving to the best blockchain software available and I’m excited for the move.

I will discuss this and more in a video today after our final team meeting in the topic.

I will scroll through Telegram for your thoughts on this final move.

I also hope that answered some questions.





-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

He honestly doesnt realize he cant stop mining LOL what a retard......no im sorry i take that back as retards would be offended by being compared to John Gotts.

If anyone wasn't sure how unstable the 'CEO' of Bitcoin Latina is here is some of his remarks in Telegram:

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:28]
[In reply to John Gotts]
At this time the rate further goes down rapidly...

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:29]
News seems like nothing... Like good news and a course makes new records

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:30]
and will continue to go lower, I experienced this man

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:30]
That's sad

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:38]
Yes and in fact I did purchase over $100,000 from volunteers and miners at higher values.

You cannot fight stupid people. They will do what they will.

I’m really glad you all agree that they have to go and only then can we have price recovery.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:40]
I should have listened to Stan and Michael and never had competitive mining. We should have limited daily coins to 1,000 rather than 20,000. You live and learn.

That said, I have no intention of selling my coins for four years and on a chart this will be but a blip.

Remember too that it wouldn’t take more than a few hedge funds to buy everything right back to where it was. Delivery is everything.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:41]
With the miners gone except for delegates we will again focus on building value and no longer deal with the disruption that was caused and price devastation reaped by those miners who had only a personal agenda to dump at the cost of electricity.

Shameful stuff but we will purge it and continue.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:43]
Miners can mine and people can turn in all coins until Sunday night, we will pay them all out at 12am Monday (1 minutes after we stop accepting forms), I expect people to sell and then the healing will begin.


Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:28]
[In reply to John Gotts]
At this time the rate further goes down rapidly...

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:29]
News seems like nothing... Like good news and a course makes new records

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:30]
and will continue to go lower, I experienced this man

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:30]
That's sad

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:38]
Yes and in fact I did purchase over $100,000 from volunteers and miners at higher values.

You cannot fight stupid people. They will do what they will.

I’m really glad you all agree that they have to go and only then can we have price recovery.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:40]
I should have listened to Stan and Michael and never had competitive mining. We should have limited daily coins to 1,000 rather than 20,000. You live and learn.

That said, I have no intention of selling my coins for four years and on a chart this will be but a blip.

Remember too that it wouldn’t take more than a few hedge funds to buy everything right back to where it was. Delivery is everything.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:41]
With the miners gone except for delegates we will again focus on building value and no longer deal with the disruption that was caused and price devastation reaped by those miners who had only a personal agenda to dump at the cost of electricity.

Shameful stuff but we will purge it and continue.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:43]
Miners can mine and people can turn in all coins until Sunday night, we will pay them all out at 12am Monday (1 minutes after we stop accepting forms), I expect people to sell and then the healing will begin.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:45]
I will write a book some day about all of this and the first chapter will talk about the value of the coin and the volunteer army that emerged and then miners entered the picture, attacked the volunteers like raping pirates in our chat forums and dumped and any price until we politely showed them the door.

Bitcoin miners held up Segwit for half a year.

Competitive mining and dumping is a dead sport.

Delegates are the future.


Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:28]
[In reply to John Gotts]
At this time the rate further goes down rapidly...

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:29]
News seems like nothing... Like good news and a course makes new records

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:30]
and will continue to go lower, I experienced this man

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:30]
That's sad

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:38]
Yes and in fact I did purchase over $100,000 from volunteers and miners at higher values.

You cannot fight stupid people. They will do what they will.

I’m really glad you all agree that they have to go and only then can we have price recovery.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:40]
I should have listened to Stan and Michael and never had competitive mining. We should have limited daily coins to 1,000 rather than 20,000. You live and learn.

That said, I have no intention of selling my coins for four years and on a chart this will be but a blip.

Remember too that it wouldn’t take more than a few hedge funds to buy everything right back to where it was. Delivery is everything.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:41]
With the miners gone except for delegates we will again focus on building value and no longer deal with the disruption that was caused and price devastation reaped by those miners who had only a personal agenda to dump at the cost of electricity.

Shameful stuff but we will purge it and continue.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:43]
Miners can mine and people can turn in all coins until Sunday night, we will pay them all out at 12am Monday (1 minutes after we stop accepting forms), I expect people to sell and then the healing will begin.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:45]
I will write a book some day about all of this and the first chapter will talk about the value of the coin and the volunteer army that emerged and then miners entered the picture, attacked the volunteers like raping pirates in our chat forums and dumped and any price until we politely showed them the door.

Bitcoin miners held up Segwit for half a year.

Competitive mining and dumping is a dead sport.

Delegates are the future.




Bellick Algo, [13.03.18 19:57]
what will prevent the volunteers from being the next dumpers?
Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:28]
[In reply to John Gotts]
At this time the rate further goes down rapidly...

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:29]
News seems like nothing... Like good news and a course makes new records

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:30]
and will continue to go lower, I experienced this man

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:30]
That's sad

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:38]
Yes and in fact I did purchase over $100,000 from volunteers and miners at higher values.

You cannot fight stupid people. They will do what they will.

I’m really glad you all agree that they have to go and only then can we have price recovery.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:40]
I should have listened to Stan and Michael and never had competitive mining. We should have limited daily coins to 1,000 rather than 20,000. You live and learn.

That said, I have no intention of selling my coins for four years and on a chart this will be but a blip.

Remember too that it wouldn’t take more than a few hedge funds to buy everything right back to where it was. Delivery is everything.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:41]
With the miners gone except for delegates we will again focus on building value and no longer deal with the disruption that was caused and price devastation reaped by those miners who had only a personal agenda to dump at the cost of electricity.

Shameful stuff but we will purge it and continue.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:43]
Miners can mine and people can turn in all coins until Sunday night, we will pay them all out at 12am Monday (1 minutes after we stop accepting forms), I expect people to sell and then the healing will begin.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:45]
I will write a book some day about all of this and the first chapter will talk about the value of the coin and the volunteer army that emerged and then miners entered the picture, attacked the volunteers like raping pirates in our chat forums and dumped and any price until we politely showed them the door.

Bitcoin miners held up Segwit for half a year.

Competitive mining and dumping is a dead sport.

Delegates are the future.

Bellick Algo, [13.03.18 19:57]
what will prevent the volunteers from being the next dumpers?

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:59]
[In reply to Bellick Algo]
Because they never have and they’re the ones still answering your questions.  And they all earn four times more then they have now by contract over four years.

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:28]
[In reply to John Gotts]
At this time the rate further goes down rapidly...

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:29]
News seems like nothing... Like good news and a course makes new records

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:30]
and will continue to go lower, I experienced this man

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:30]
That's sad

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:38]
Yes and in fact I did purchase over $100,000 from volunteers and miners at higher values.

You cannot fight stupid people. They will do what they will.

I’m really glad you all agree that they have to go and only then can we have price recovery.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:40]
I should have listened to Stan and Michael and never had competitive mining. We should have limited daily coins to 1,000 rather than 20,000. You live and learn.

That said, I have no intention of selling my coins for four years and on a chart this will be but a blip.

Remember too that it wouldn’t take more than a few hedge funds to buy everything right back to where it was. Delivery is everything.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:41]
With the miners gone except for delegates we will again focus on building value and no longer deal with the disruption that was caused and price devastation reaped by those miners who had only a personal agenda to dump at the cost of electricity.

Shameful stuff but we will purge it and continue.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:43]
Miners can mine and people can turn in all coins until Sunday night, we will pay them all out at 12am Monday (1 minutes after we stop accepting forms), I expect people to sell and then the healing will begin.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:45]
I will write a book some day about all of this and the first chapter will talk about the value of the coin and the volunteer army that emerged and then miners entered the picture, attacked the volunteers like raping pirates in our chat forums and dumped and any price until we politely showed them the door.

Bitcoin miners held up Segwit for half a year.

Competitive mining and dumping is a dead sport.

Delegates are the future.

Bellick Algo, [13.03.18 19:57]
what will prevent the volunteers from being the next dumpers?

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:59]
[In reply to Bellick Algo]
Because they never have and they’re the ones still answering your questions.  And they all earn four times more then they have now by contract over four years.

Virtu, [13.03.18 20:06]
[In reply to John Gotts]
Do you know they did though?

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:28]
[In reply to John Gotts]
At this time the rate further goes down rapidly...

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:29]
News seems like nothing... Like good news and a course makes new records

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:30]
and will continue to go lower, I experienced this man

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:30]
That's sad

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:38]
Yes and in fact I did purchase over $100,000 from volunteers and miners at higher values.

You cannot fight stupid people. They will do what they will.

I’m really glad you all agree that they have to go and only then can we have price recovery.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:40]
I should have listened to Stan and Michael and never had competitive mining. We should have limited daily coins to 1,000 rather than 20,000. You live and learn.

That said, I have no intention of selling my coins for four years and on a chart this will be but a blip.

Remember too that it wouldn’t take more than a few hedge funds to buy everything right back to where it was. Delivery is everything.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:41]
With the miners gone except for delegates we will again focus on building value and no longer deal with the disruption that was caused and price devastation reaped by those miners who had only a personal agenda to dump at the cost of electricity.

Shameful stuff but we will purge it and continue.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:43]
Miners can mine and people can turn in all coins until Sunday night, we will pay them all out at 12am Monday (1 minutes after we stop accepting forms), I expect people to sell and then the healing will begin.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:45]
I will write a book some day about all of this and the first chapter will talk about the value of the coin and the volunteer army that emerged and then miners entered the picture, attacked the volunteers like raping pirates in our chat forums and dumped and any price until we politely showed them the door.

Bitcoin miners held up Segwit for half a year.

Competitive mining and dumping is a dead sport.

Delegates are the future.

Bellick Algo, [13.03.18 19:57]
what will prevent the volunteers from being the next dumpers?

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:59]
[In reply to Bellick Algo]
Because they never have and they’re the ones still answering your questions.  And they all earn four times more then they have now by contract over four years.

Virtu, [13.03.18 20:06]
[In reply to John Gotts]
Do you know they did though?

John Gotts, [13.03.18 20:11]
[In reply to Virtu]
Are you asking me if my best people held out until the very end and got to sell a ton for nothing after I enriched the dumpsters, yes. I know that. They are heroes.  They also held out on selling while market makers came in and sold high to me while they held and then offered to buy low and are now paying them a fraction of what I paid.

They are heroes and they will be rewarded.

Bellick Algo, [13.03.18 20:13]
market makers only put orders on book though, i dont get that part about them selling to you

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:28]
[In reply to John Gotts]
At this time the rate further goes down rapidly...

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:29]
News seems like nothing... Like good news and a course makes new records

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:30]
and will continue to go lower, I experienced this man

Dmitry I Love BCL, [13.03.18 19:30]
That's sad

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:38]
Yes and in fact I did purchase over $100,000 from volunteers and miners at higher values.

You cannot fight stupid people. They will do what they will.

I’m really glad you all agree that they have to go and only then can we have price recovery.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:40]
I should have listened to Stan and Michael and never had competitive mining. We should have limited daily coins to 1,000 rather than 20,000. You live and learn.

That said, I have no intention of selling my coins for four years and on a chart this will be but a blip.

Remember too that it wouldn’t take more than a few hedge funds to buy everything right back to where it was. Delivery is everything.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:41]
With the miners gone except for delegates we will again focus on building value and no longer deal with the disruption that was caused and price devastation reaped by those miners who had only a personal agenda to dump at the cost of electricity.

Shameful stuff but we will purge it and continue.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:43]
Miners can mine and people can turn in all coins until Sunday night, we will pay them all out at 12am Monday (1 minutes after we stop accepting forms), I expect people to sell and then the healing will begin.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:45]
I will write a book some day about all of this and the first chapter will talk about the value of the coin and the volunteer army that emerged and then miners entered the picture, attacked the volunteers like raping pirates in our chat forums and dumped and any price until we politely showed them the door.

Bitcoin miners held up Segwit for half a year.

Competitive mining and dumping is a dead sport.

Delegates are the future.

Bellick Algo, [13.03.18 19:57]
what will prevent the volunteers from being the next dumpers?

John Gotts, [13.03.18 19:59]
[In reply to Bellick Algo]
Because they never have and they’re the ones still answering your questions.  And they all earn four times more then they have now by contract over four years.

Virtu, [13.03.18 20:06]
[In reply to John Gotts]
Do you know they did though?

John Gotts, [13.03.18 20:11]
[In reply to Virtu]
Are you asking me if my best people held out until the very end and got to sell a ton for nothing after I enriched the dumpsters, yes. I know that. They are heroes.  They also held out on selling while market makers came in and sold high to me while they held and then offered to buy low and are now paying them a fraction of what I paid.

They are heroes and they will be rewarded.

Bellick Algo, [13.03.18 20:13]
market makers only put orders on book though, i dont get that part about them selling to you

Virtu, [13.03.18 20:15]
[In reply to John Gotts]
Part of your team did already dumped along with the miners. At 2-2.5BTS / BCL. Early. Just saying. I'll leave it at that and all the best to hodlers. #lovehodl

John Gotts, [13.03.18 20:15]
[In reply to Bellick Algo]
What I’m saying is that I could have just bought coins directly from volunteers but I made the mistake of putting my money in the market where my mouth was, which was 100 times higher.

Miners decimated the ability for these people who created ALL of this to eat.

Be VERY careful insulting them in front of me.

Bellick Algo, [13.03.18 20:16]
ah ok

John Gotts, [13.03.18 20:20]
Good response. An apology to them would go even further.

They are the same folks who got verbally gang-raped by a group of angry Indian miners who failed us at Discord as admins and conned us out of 50,000 coins they dumped. Where was your outrage then?

John Gotts, [13.03.18 20:21]
Where was your outrage when miners were dumping EVERY buy order and savaging the price from 70BTS to 2BTS?

John Gotts, [13.03.18 20:21]
Don’t EVER insult my volunteers again or you will be banned.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 20:22]
Mining is fucking over.

We will wait now for the final insult and then we will go find hedge funds with an appetite for cheap coins and see if we can’t do some repair once the rapists are gone.

John Gotts, [13.03.18 20:23]
I do hope I was clear.

If you are doing a project then you will understand and sympathize with John Gotts, strongly on John Gotts!

Tell me, what do I need to do to be able to get bitcoin coins latina EOS if I now have BCL?

1) If you have your BCL (as a tradeable token) on BitShares exchange - you only need to wait when EOS will be ready.

2) If you have mined BCL (ethash algo) - you need change it until this Sunday.

Read this: https://bitcoinlatina.org/blog/moving-higher-ground/

After change, you need wait.

I understand that I may receive a token EOS, I need to keep the BCL on account bitshare?

Yes, if BCL-team not change their plan in future.

BCL team lets "I got an idea, lets make our own cryptocurrency"

......some time later

What do you mean mined coins only cost miners pennies to mine.....and they are being mined so fast....

John Gotts, "whats this mining stuff you speak of, oh god my tokens value is shit"

BCL Team "Its the miners sir we have to stop them"

John Gotts......This means war.....What do you mean they can mine my coin....

Tim, "Well you see sir we cloned eth and that means it is pow so it can be mined."

John Gotts......Tim you're fired how dare you allow mining.

John Gotts.....My precious all will bow before the great coin maker his name is John Gotts mumumuhahahahaha

.........Miners....This guy is crazy.....lets teach him a lesson.......

SWAP
Create bitshare account and send BCL from clavis wallet to 0x3ee1eb8099ccc7b36d60b80ce09edf1ab447b9a2
is that right ?

1BTC

Yes, and not forget to fill out the form https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe-d2DW3ha8gZgBTF5R1cn-OImy3oGeuP5kT2cWvXjbRNQBnw/viewform

 interesting project so far and with an ambitious roadmap and fair and honest team,hope will be successful in future

 ;D ;D ;D Good luck to find a sucker buyer

So what if we have BCL in our wallet still and missed the deadline......can we at some point in the future exchange it ????

i'm was banned in telegram chat because i want need support my BCL in wallet .  >:( >:( , i don know reason , they do it  with me .

It s clearly say on their blog:

"If you missed the deadline to swap your coins, that is very unfortunate as it will take time to determine if you mined them before the deadline. You will have to email swap@bitcoinlatina.org with your BitShares account name, how many coins you mined and proof that you mined your coins before 11:59pm March 18. You will also have to demonstrate that there were extenuating circumstances as to why you couldn’t meet the deadline that was announced for a week.  If we can not unequivocally guarantee that you mined your BCL coins before the cut off time, you will not be able to swap any coins."

i dont know why a alot of people do believe this project... but i do believe that most of them recieved some gift from john. we cant critics them or u will get banned.  let see how this project goes.. :)

Cheers, founders; i believe, it s truly a pleasure have a business with such an honest person, man of his word, John Gotts:


Forwarded by John Gotts

"Just now I took back a total of about 30,455,459 coins from early founders who got their coins early
based on trust that they would then earn them over two to four years.  

I will talk with each of them to see if they want to demonstrate the longterm vision they professed.
In total I have added up at least 219,551.95 BCL coins that were sold NOT BY MINERS but by founders
and top advisors.

I have also witnessed some of these people partake in ILLEGAL market-making activity that we WILL NOT allow.
We are a legal coin and want to stay that way.  Anyone acting in a way that would be deemed illegal cannot work
with BitcoinLatina.  I am sure they didn't understand the rules, but this is why I need to speak with each of them
and figure this out.  They are nice guys, except for the above mentioned dumping.

I am sorry that they did this.  I will talk to each of them and see what they want to do going forward.

One didn't dump but has many coins and I need a new contract stating that with so many coins they cannot dump.

Sorry for more drama.  I am trying to protect our community, even if it's from founding team members."


_______________________________________________________________________________ ______


Here is what Stan Larimer wrote:

https://steemit.com/bitshares/@stan/john-gotts-just-violated-the-crypto-code-of-the-hills


"Very sad. John Gotts, founder of Bitcoin Latina just used clawback powers reserved for legal
 securities to steal coins from several people, including the coins he donated to Jared Rice for his defense.

Naturally the SEC was watching those coins, and they noticed immediately in the middle of the night.

This will not end well for John.

However, there are things the BitCoin Latina community can do to fix the problem, including hard
forking the chain prior to the point that John intervened.

We will support the community's decision to recover from this unprecedented violation of Cryptocurrency
ethics.

More tomorrow, when we've had a chance to analyze this.

Very embarrassing, but fixable using the tools that BitShares makes available to its users."

Stan

HA omg lol lol

Is the project over with or are there others continuing with it? I'm confused, totally confused.....

John Gotts the scamer is over.

wait the advice of Stan (bitshare) for the next steps. (but don't expect too much...)

RIP BCL.... even founder dump their coin... and they keep blame miner dump this shit.... LOL....

You mean to say, John Gotts did something unethical.......nooooo say it is not so.........

I think the entire ethash mining community seen this shit coming.......maybe they knew shit coin when they smelled it?


https://i.imgur.com/Hv9dNDP.png

It's about time someone utilized EOS blockchain in such a good way.

i dont think that bcl will going moon ... their admin and some top management hold more than 1M coin. it is not fair for everyone . miner mining their coin.... meanwhile top management do shit... and get 10k bcl everyone of them. go check ileanaileana acc. you will find she has more than 100k coin... lol...this coin will dead soon. even tim himself has 5m coins.

i dont think people gonna buy this coin. no real world implementation, only bclHodlLOve. LOL ... this is token... not a coin.. opsss...


remainder : do not invest into this BCL. you invest with real money but that fuckin top management get this shit foc through john. Dont waste your time and money...

ileanaileana9   168,711   12,355 - ileana

connie-willis   100,447   - crypto connie

tim-mesker   5,000,001    - tim


https://cryptofresh.com/a/BCL

refer this... and then, i dont think stan will keep supporting this project, even stan left this project. 1bcl = 0usd soon. they keep shouting to help south american, but for sure, they doing this for a reason. to scam people for sure. if the value reach 10usd. connie and ileana , both of them have 1m USD ..easy money. and john has million dollar on his own pocket.


they could block us in telegram but not here..... we are not spreading the fud but we are here to spreading the truth..

they block me in telegram because don't want swap my coins was mined.

yeah.... dont worry buddy...bcl will not going anywhere.... they will dead on june for sure.... this coin has no future on it...nobody gonna buy this shit

I just wanna know will they do another swap, I have some coins I didnt transfer over.

check this

https://cryptofresh.com/u/bitcoin-latina



bitcoin-latina sent 200,000 BCL to p1ceds
3days ago


bitcoin-latina sent 200,000 BCL to jkjljl
3days ago

bitcoin-latina sent 250,000 BCL to harley-charlie
4days ago


why this happen?

they keep wish this token to the moon.... i dont think so.... see... they distribute among themselve...and hopes people will buy this shittoken with high and they will dump their coin...



this bcl token doesnt have any future... they want to  scam latina people... opss not scam.. but help latina by doing this...



for me...this bcl is 0 value.... dont ever buy this shit...no dev of this token on their telegram...you cant ask more about this token otherwise you will get ban with no reason.

So if I have understood this
https://cryptofresh.com/u/bitcoin-latina

It looks like no one has been issued any BCL tokens since the closing date for the conversion. Which is a shame, I like many people do not check all the websites every week and the first I new about the conversion was when mining stopped connecting. What happens to my BCL coins now ?

Yep, i have some coin that i would like to exchange as well.

I wish we could get some idea of whats going to happen.

Well I sent an email as instructed. I'm not certain how I am supposed to prove I mined and did not buy them. Now its just a waiting game. But it looks like no one in our position has been paid out, not certain if thats a good or bad thing. Any news would be good to know

Hope this project be huge.

Dear all of BCL team

im sinceraly very nice asking for swap on telegram and none of my word is offensive

i know that im a little to be late to ask for swap

but i have a reason why

im trully not a hit and dump  since then i hold my coin like you said before till june there will be a change


wait for it or swap now

but now FUCK of you all guys

you banned me and all who ask for swap in telegram

YOU ARE LIKE ALL LIKE A WOMAN WHO CANNOT PROVE ALL YOUR WORD, EVERYDAY CHANGE YOUR STATEMENT LIKE A WOMEN TALK

thats all FUCK BCL and FUCK all of you


i never been so rude like this believe me

but you and all of your team prove that BCL is worthless to be keep

trully a scammer and cannot keep loyalty to your fans

trully a thief

Its all change again.
There is an announcement here
http://bitcoinlatina.org/blog/

Unfortunately it assumes you already have your tokens, and says nothing about us people left holding original coins.

So, it s over.

Here is 2 messages from telegram group from fucking scammer John Gotts:

1)

"We are wrapping this up so fast that we may close down the BitShares account sooner than Tuesday.
This is going very fast. I may also take a snapshot of the blockchain and then blow it away until others
come asking for their coins. That may be the fastest way to shut this down. In the meantime do NOT
purchase or sell coins. We are done with BitShares."


2)

"ATTENTION:

ALL TRADING OF BCL ON BITSHARES IS NOW OVER

A SNAPSHOT WAS TAKEN AND ALL LEGITIMATE COINS WILL BE RECOVERED"

here the mail I received from BCL:

i've made a portuguese translation, but I still not received any bouty, I'm waiting.

The future of this project is very dim.

YET AGAIN (for the 4th or 5th time now?) John Gotts changed plans after Stan Larimer (the Godfather of Bitshares himself) called him out for token theft on Bitshares. He has decided to halt all trading and is “promising” to do a 1:1 token swap once the EOS chain is launched. Until then no one is allowed to trade the BCL tokens...  

He has done everything in his power to control absolutely everything about BCL down to pulling funds out of other’s wallets because he feels entitled to ALL BCL TOKENS! Yes... John Gotts believes BCL is his gift to the world and also believes he can take them away from you if he deems it so. He’s judge, jury and executioner of this platform. In his view, THE BCL YOU HOLD IS NOT YOUR PROPERTY!

It also seems a lot of the miners were left out in the cold and weren’t provided the tokens on Bitsharesas promised after the “final swap” he promised last week. Sadly... mined coins not on Bitshares cannot be traded at the moment and unfortunately have no value (unless John almighty reopens trading again and decides to provide you the tokens on Bitshares which I highly doubt considering he’s an easily offended bloke).

The point here is... this project is dead. It has lost all credibility at this point because of its totalitarian leadership (aka John Gotts... and ONLY John Gotts).

To enumerate:

- The project has NO CTO AT THE MOMENT. He was fired and blamed for the Ethereum chain fiasco (which was totally and easily fixable I might add).

- All differing views or unsavory inquiries are actively repressed on the open channels of communication with the team by John Gotts and his team has been instructed to do the same. If you visit the Telegram to ask about anything happening here in BCT you will be immediately banned...

- Stan Larimer, once an advisor to the project, reported team members aren’t even allowed to raise questions about John’s decisions and are often fired on that basis alone!

- Promises by the team are often broken. From Airdrops, atomic swaps of mined coins to mined coins swaps to make up for it... it is constant and moreover: EXPECTED at this point.

-So far BITCOIN Latina (never had any relationship to Bitcoin tech BTW) has ABANDONED 2 incarnations already: The original Ethereum based blockchain (which is still running but has been abandoned by the BCL team) and Bitshares.

- John Gotts has blocked all trading of BCL on Bitshares after the falling out with Stan Larimer (again... more pettiness).

- John Gotts personally STOLE MILLIONS OF TOKENS from many of his adviser’s wallets including Stan Larimer and Jared Rice all because he wasn’t happy with how some of them were selling those tokens on Bitshares after expressly giving some of them coins with the expectation that they would be sold!

Here is Stan Larimer of Bitshares speaking about his experience with the project and the entire mess. The BCL conversation begins around 37:30:
https://youtu.be/TdV23-10ZKE (https://youtu.be/TdV23-10ZKE)


- John has openly attempted to manipulate the coin in every way imaginable. Believe me... if there’s a way to screw over the project supporters John Gotts has done it!!!! This is exhaustively documented (he’s ballsy enough to do all this in the open and admits to it).

- Jared Rice’s Bitshares wallet is actively monitored by the SEC and it is unclear if this will cause deep scrutiny of the Project... hence it is highly doubtful this project will ever be compliant due to the blatant and well documented improprieties committed by this man!    

- The EOS team is aware of all these events and does not plan to actively support Bitcoin Latina once it develops its project based on the platform (if it ever does...).


Do you need any more red flags?

STEER AWAY FROM THIS TOXIC MADNESS! DO NOT INVEST ANYMORE TIME OR HARD EARNED FUNDS IN THIS PROJECT.

I do not believe this is a scam... however, this project has been run to the ground by the same person who created it. NOBODY has benefited from this project in any way shape or form but John and whoever he has given the blessing to do so.

Again... STAY AWAY!!!!!

lol...why don't u ask bcl team to buy this shit????

LOL, this clown, scammer John Gotts, was caught by the hand, when trying manipulate the price:

https://steemit.com/bitshares/@stan/bitcoin-latina-market-manipulation-caught-in-the-act

There is no one this project is going anywhere after how many steps and hoops its jumped threw.

John Gotts has left a sour taste in many peoples mouths, by cutting off any discussion about the coin that could be considered unfavorable. If you do not agree with him you are shunned and cast out. This coin reads more as a modern day cult story, than it does as a cryptocurrency. After reading both sides of the theft story. We are not seeing the argument from Johns side, where he basically says people stop coins from him, and started dumping crashing the value of his coin.

He has constantly put a price next to this coin on what it should be worth, and has got mad everything time its fallen blow that. He does not agree with how the market works, and is trying to stay in total control. This is a coin you should avoid at all cost, it is not going anywhere even though it has a solid idea. Its tainted with a huge amount of legal trouble we are not seeing.

There is going to be an investigation into this coin, and it might be interesting to watch its death spiral and John is very dramatic.

I was really disappointed with DEV's behavior, I tried to mine it for a long time. When I swap to EOS I did not make it, sent an email and asked DEV, but DEV pushed me out of the BCL telegram. Is this a DEV scam? so blatant, ... >:(

There are old coins in the clavis wallet..
Trash?

projects about mining not succesful. And now is very bad market conditions. SO minng not so profitable

Here is no BCL-mining long time ago, so it is no profitability at all :)

i've made a portuguese translation, but I still not received any bouty, I'm waiting. :-\

This cryptocurrency is a swap fraud with no transparency and centralized. Scam!

I believe in John Gotts and bitcoinlatina.

indeed.... if you asking something about bcl, if they cant answer the questions given, either they delete your comment or you will get banned.. really joke this coin. dont have real life applications, 7 usd percoin? please guys.. Dont waste your money for it. if you want to invest, better invest on eth,etc, iota,verge and something big.. this shit will go nowhere..trust me.

Really! They banned me from the group just because I was asking for help on how to remove my bcl

They just banned everyone, who disagree with them in something or have a uncomfortable question, or reasonable complain.

Bitcoin Latina don t have any power nowhere, outside of their strictly moderate resources.

This is why, for example, they go from honest and transparent BitShares dex to their centralised new exchange, where owner is BCL CEO.

And this is why, they don t want actively speak here, in this ANN on bitcointalk (or any free speech places), because they know,
they really have nothing to say, in answer to complains from BCL holders and they just can t do open and public discussions.

________________


Really, guys, it s funny to see usual talk in official BCL chat room, like :D:


John Gotts (CEO) : I have a nice dinner today and when i m eat, i m thinked about how BCL is great

User 1: Or, John thats right! BCL is great! Love!

User 2: BCL #HODLLOVE!

User 3: I m so worried about students of Latin America and glad we have such a nice family here, in this chat.
We help them with BCL! There will be BCL satellites chain in 2 years, across all Latin America!

User 1: Love, guys!

John Gotts (CEO) : We start to sell BCL soon, on my exchange, and no less than 7$. Fucking miners and traders!
They drop the price on BitShares from initial 70 bts for coin to 5 bts! How they dare SELL my BCL? How they dare?!
They should BUY ONLY!
 
User 2: Oh, John, you so right! How they fucking dare! I only buy BCL and tell all my friends to do so! Peace, love, BCL-hodl!

User 3: Well said, John! BCL #HODLLOVE!

John Gotts (CEO) : LOVE! Namaste.

Is there anythings new updated?

BCL is a fraud!

miner to buy this fucking kidding coin?BCL will go nowehere.. trust me. they ask people to buy this shit, and at the mean time, john and his staff already have around 1M coins with him and his team. so if they manage to sell it around  7usd, so ez 7m Usd. LOL....

bcl = bitconnect = fraud = lulcoin

let see how this project goes.. I'm seen this from a while. ::)

The project seems slow to progress. :o :o :o

BCL don t want to talk here, so news available in their blog:

https://bitcoinlatina.org/blog/

In crypto everyone can invest as much as he could lost. But BitcoinLatina is different. In BitcoinLatina everyone can invest time, as much as he had. By being volunteer :)Time is money :)

Great! When does the project begin?

what a waste. well kinda, i made good money on mining the coin and selling it off on BTS, but entire project is a oddball scenario. first it started off with like 40 people allegedly supporting the coin/chain, then it derailed when this John Gotts, who is the face of a lot of brands, mostly failed attempts at quick bucks, allowed miners to sell of their coins on Bitshares, and they dumped it hard on one day, and he got upset about it because the price fell.

Was following this coin since the start, and i got to say nothing but a bunch of shit all around.

they took their chat to telegram where you are banned for asking any kind of question pertaining to the statements the "admin" staff is saying. over and over it is like, next week this, next week that, we are submitting with the SEC, we have prior SEC staff on board (wont supply names), we have the top law firm in to handle our SEC filing (wont supply law firm name), we have/had 4 or 5 congresspeople (that were actually put on this photo they had originally on here and on the website that showed all of the supporters and team members) but the people in those photos, or their respective names had never even heard of bitcoin latina or any of this bs.

attempt was just made at a cash grab, nothing more.

then this guy (John) did a video with BTS owners or something, promised to buy the domain bitshares.com i think it was, and of course he backed out of that promise to them, something like that. i dunno, its all muddied waters with this. stay as far away as possible. if you invest, your just blowing money. maybe they will price manipulate, and you can earn that way. but other then that, you might as well buy some copypasta coins and hold those.

Hi i need somo help, i want to know how can i fix or open my wallet.dat... when open de qt i have a message that the file its corrupted... i try with pywallet but no fix or open, i try with btcrecover and the same...
egretia

Any news?

I mined BCL and wait for EOS platform. On blog and here,no news. Maybe I should have sold my tokens,devs are very slow. :P

I think there is always FUD when you have products that will make Ethereum, Bitcoin, Ripple and all others obsolete.  EOS is going to eat everyone’s lunch.

I heard, in official telegram channel, they wait for EOS launch in June, and only after launch, you can
change your beta-BCL coins for a new one, EOS based BCL.

But exchange for them planning only on September, so it s a long wait anyway.

Hello community bitcoin latina! I see that is not so good, but I think that this is all temporary,the team is actively working on the project,because I don't sell my mined coins!Good luck with the project!  ;)

We offer each Ambassador 200.000 coins over 4 years at a starting price from 8,88 USD/coin

 ??? ??? ???

https://image.ibb.co/hB58mJ/200.png (https://imgbb.com/)

Say what ?

https://image.ibb.co/cCmpRJ/a.png (https://imgbb.com/)

Why do you keep saying people rats ? Rats word every few lines in whole telegram. What is with that General thing and giving them 200.000 coins in 4 years. Amazing shit coin!

What crime, what rats ? Are you insane ?

Telegram is full only by GENERALS talking one with each other.

https://image.ibb.co/gdkYmJ/asas.png (https://imgbb.com/)

What kind of scam coin is this ?

https://image.ibb.co/iwyB6J/ASA.png (https://imgbb.com/)

But everyone will have to go through a quick KYC identity check to prove they are who they say they are and to combat money laundering

 ??? ??? ???

https://image.ibb.co/jGDTmJ/1J.png (https://imgbb.com/)

LETS SEE IF THIS HAPPENS AND HOW.

https://image.ibb.co/cqJsfd/bb.png (https://imgbb.com/)

and telegram talk today ends again with RAT ?

I think all of us are getting scammed by this John Gotts with multiple personalities.
I think he talks with himself on telegram too. The same kind of attitude is in all his generals. He is all the generals there and has multiple accounts to make us think its more.

Do you think this looks like a site who is own by a foundation ? https://bitcoinlatina.org/ Its using https://themify.me/themes/ultra theme and looks like shit. This is their real face.

 Its surely a scam. Even if it isn't feels like. All coins are in John Gotts address. You can't call a coin EOS-Based when now is NOTHING-BASED. Do, then call. John Gotts is deceiving at the moment.

I understand now they are making exchange on its site. Are they compentent to do this ? Will you be able to withdraw or I will be called RAT because I will sell the first seconds I get this coin and get out of this shit ?

As you can see on screenshots, BCL is cult-like organisation, doing 2 thing:

1) praising glory to their CEO, scammer John Gotts
2) trying to sell you worthless coin for 8,8$ ;D

That s all.

I don t know, how stupid people should be, for buying BCL 2.0 coins.
It s like trowing money to toilet and flush it.

_____


Read this thread about how BCL doing business and threat their coin owners
and you will see, what can expect in the future.

Please, DON T BUY BCL coins, you will be scammed.

Haha, i mined a little bit of thi way back. Put a notification for today to have a look if I could swap my BCL for new EOS-based tokens...

Seems to be a shit show 😎

Yeah for sure. I checked the Telegram channel, it's really creazy. These guys should be in a nuthouse.
but they still manage to find volunteers for translations. It's crazy.

Im in the same situation as you. How did you put a notification in? any links would be useful

my biggest regrets is listening for his goats mouth sh*t talking

im holding bcl on clavis and look now. he close swap and take all the coin to his account

im sure god will wait him in hell and swap his head with goat

I don t think that scammer, John Gotts, pay for your coins anyway, so, you lose nothing.

My friend buy BCL coins on bitshares exchange - when they was available - and his coins was
named as fraudulent buy and not available to future swap. My friend just lost money.

Guys, remember, if you will buy BCL 2.0 on https://bitcoinlatina.org/ , you will be cheated and lost money.

David, [24.06.18 12:22]
Dear Community,

I am here with John Gotts since January 2018, the early days. I love this community and in times of trouble i stood up and step behind John Gotts (Leonidas), as i saw how many people tried to betray him. I teached Robert (St. Coin) how to use nicehash as he was just a simple miner and told him to stay strong - and follow John Gotts. By the way i was one of the biggest miners - with over 35k coins.

All the effords i did, i did for the community and for the band of brothers with John.

I set up the ambassador program, found a lot of REALLY COOL GUYS, where i think they have a value for BitcoinLatina.

I took Mario (Thor) into BitcoinLatina, as the Developers were gone and Robert was not able to get the wordpress thing online. Mario (Thor) did a lot for the community too, amazing.

We were paid for our effords, there is no doubt about that.

But as soon as some Ambassadors and maybe other People start to backstab me, talk to John behind my back and get John to be emotional - there was a break of loyality between John and me.

There has been a lot private chat between John an me all the months, and where so many people left BitcoinLatina - i was next to Robert and then Mario - the only loyal guy here.

As it seems to be interesting that People are "afraid" of me, i will lay down all my duties as Admiral ODIN and from now on, i am just a community member having my coins for the work i did, and if i get removed from the community channels again - our companys lawers will get active and ONLY if we get removed again - because we are not the people who work, deliver and then get "just removed" like dust in history.

There is no doubt that John is very emotional about BitcoinLatina, we lost a lot of people - always saying they "betrayed us" - i did nothing to anybody - except THAT I EXPECT ANYBODY IS WORKING AS HARD AS I DID THE LAST 6 MONTH.

And when i say, CHERRYPICKING - this means people try to grab different contracts and always asking "when do i get paid" - i hate those people who say the want to be ambassadar and then SHIT in their trousers of beeing responsible now and others wait for them until they deliver. I never asked when do i get paid, because i always believed in John Gotts.

NOW PEOPLE - the time has come where i saw that my loyality is nothing worth for John Gotts and the inner circle. I see greed everywhere and everybody has the fear of missing out and the fear of loosing power and strength  -so i decided i will not be longer  part of this freaking egomanic game.

I run a multimillion dollar company (which i founded because i dont wanted to be part of ego-games in companys and be my own boss) and i will fokus on my company again which is very successfull here in my country.  And I will be from now on just a normal community member - waiting like so many others when i can get my sold for all what i have done.

We have now more than 14 nations on the start and although i know there are some rats onboard who try to bringt John Gotts against me - i can tell you - i will not play this game, as i am not owned by anybody so i am free to decide.

People who backstabb others will loose and if John Gotts count on those people (everybody knows who i mean) - then John will see where this project ending up.

I love John like a brother and i will stay as a community member always behind him,
as long as i am here and will not be removed again.

I was backstabbed by unloyal Ambassadors and greedy Generals who have "fear" , but i dont mind, because i live a life of fortune and fame. Some of them will learn what its meant to be "afraid of the dark" - karma will not forget anything also i wont.

Crypto is full of unloyal rats and envy - and sometimes it kills good intentions and communities.


For all other loyal community members i have to say:

Thank you for beeing part of BitcoinLatina and may god bless your, for all your effords.

I love to see all of you in the normal community channel and i love to see where this journey will end.

I FEEL FREE NOW.

Admiral Odin
David

Soulbrother Mario, [24.06.18 12:36]
I Agree with General Odin.

I am sorry about that how it comes but for me is loyalty, trust and friendship the important thing in live.

David and I gone now a long long time side by side and and we will do this for another long time.

We are soulbrothers and we are always takeing care of each of us.

So there is no other way for me as to follow my brother.

I am sorry about that some guys can reach with envy stuff like that.

I will lay done everything as well and go back as an community Member.

I look forward and will love to see BitcoinLatina to grow.

I have nothing bad with anyone of you and I stand behind John and the project.

So please put every energy in to bring this up.

David, [24.06.18 12:39]
Yes, we are TRUE soulbrothers Mario. I appreciate all what we have done together, now our journey continues and will get brighter and faster that it was ever before. ❤️

Mr Lee, [24.06.18 12:47]
This is very bad news for community. Can you consider to stay with community to help it stronger?

Soulbrother Mario, [24.06.18 12:50]
we stay in this channel .... we both trust on the project

David, [24.06.18 13:01]
Yes we will stay, but as John Gotts trusted some rats here and broke the band of brothers and through this he broke also the loyalty  - i dont think that we can do anything to let the community grow further.

We will stay here but we will not work any more minute longer for BitcoinLatina.

We are just part like so many others here - waiting what the leaders will create. Thats it - full stop.

Admiral THOR wrote:

I Agree with General Odin.

I am sorry about that how it comes but for me is loyalty, trust and friendship the important thing in live.

David and I gone now a long long time side by side and and we will do this for another long time.

We are soulbrothers and we are always takeing care of each of us.

So there is no other way for me as to follow my brother.

I am sorry about that some guys can reach with envy stuff like that.

I will lay done everything as well and go back as an community Member.

Most people get into crypto because they heard from a friend that money can be made. On the other hand, there's those of us who want to help bank the unbanked.

Banking the unbanked means providing possible solutions to financial access to people who have none, or who live in countries with completely corrupt government entities ruling their financial futures.

As social trust keeps us evolving we begin to see new layers whereby technology can mediate and facilitate trust. This is an incredibly powerful thing to help build the new economy.

Participate!

P.S. John Gotts doesn't deserve the time, effort, and hard work of good people who are trying to help this generation move forward.

It does not seem so effective, much less waiting for the month of September is very boring. But if that is the best it can be done as long as the information and development continue.

Participate? where ?

yes.. BTCL is full of egomanic people from ex-balkan or ex-sowjet countrys , they have nothing done in life to proove who they are and they haven't still a track record. i don't care, because i can :-)

Slovenian Ministry of Finance is informed about how the Slovenian Generals have intentions to betray taxes, all taken in screenshots and sent. Same to the companys in real life those bastards are working for, betraying their CEOs in working time where they act for Bitcoinlatina instead of doing their normal work. All done with a fine taken Shot of the whole Bitcoinlatina Chat from January 2018 until June 2018.

now lets see how the US guys (who also had been betrayed by the communities leaders) start an investigation in the United States against Mr. Gotts and his behaviour the last 6 month where so many people lost everything they invested.

the story continues....now its time to raise and protect people and investors.


PS: i have to excuse to everybody in the past that i have removed from the community as i was brainwashed and controlled by John Gotts and his financial promises - i really feel ashamed and sorry about for everybody i kicked/banned. Please forgive. i am glad to see there i a new group forming with people collecting all their stuff about John Gotts and his followers together now, if you act like those in some different countries you would be in jail faster than light - but in crypto scene so many people can hide, make promises, brainwash people BUT under "following the rules of the sec" this is really really a bad thing -  how often i heard Mister Roel Campus (an ex SEC commissioner advising John Gotts) will write as an letter to prove that we are a compliant coin - and every time using the name Roel Campus for saying "hey we are legal" "hey we are the first compliant crypto"... but more of this story will come soon out...lets wait for the next news.

You are a nice guy, David, and for sure you did very much for BCL; but i m surprised,
how long you can work with this mad clown, scammer John Gotts and didn t see, what he is;
changing his decision 3 times a day and not keeping his word.

just because i trusted him and i never questioned his loyalty, until yesterday.

i have to thank John Gotts, i learned just one more lesson in my life: how not to treat people"

so as there are enough people who will now stand up to protect further investors or buyers - i think this whole bubble will soon have its end. people who already lost a lot of money maybe can nothing recocer, i lost all too - so the only way is to look in the feature and do ehat we can to protect innocent (and naiv) people - time is money and volunteer spending a lot of time too - for getting zero back.

cheers!

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Thank you xcon for the updates.
Since the telegram group seems to have closed down or moved its impossible to find out what is going on. I have a few BCL coins which I hope one day will get converted into the new EOS coins, but its hard to find out whats happening and how and if it will happen

Looks like their private telegram channel (with real names identification) is down too: https://t.me/BTCLarmy

It was readable, if you not push button "join chanell", but just stay and read :)

As has the original BitcoinLatina channel, which is supposed to be for announcements only
The official website (https://bitcoinlatina.org) has also been closed for an update

General Robert Tudjina:
"In last 4 days only 4 Ambassadory talk with me in private chat. Thainland, Mexico, U.K. and Russia. If anyone else of Ambassadors still want to be BTCL Ambassador, please PM me. Or I will be forced to looking for new one. Thanks"

thanks to my ambassador friends who showed it to me...what a laugh 😂

 ;D the rat wonders why more than 10 nations quit and refuse to work for him? let me see, i think thats kind of aggressive behavior? maybe John Gotts will fire him too ?

LOL - or maybe he should not have written how he is going to fuck the Ministry of Finance in Slovenia, all saved and sent in Screenshots. Sounds good for potential big big investors - General Robert sees nothing worse in betraying taxes and is the official right hand of John Gotts.

from 900 people in a community to 49 => this is what i call an epic fail

🤪😂😂😂

Grose. We mined the coin, sent to him so he controls them all and we got nothing in the end.

His avatar also make me puke. Just look at him, he and all his generals.

https://image.ibb.co/nRBkwo/Untitled.png (https://imgbb.com/)

Also is selling coins.

BitcoinLatina volunteers are selling a total of 250 million earned BTCL coins. The minimum value for each coin is one U.S. penny per BTCL coin.

https://image.ibb.co/nCmzp8/Untitled232.png (https://imgbb.com/)

Scammer. First he says 8.88 , now 0.01 , imagine. You mined them and he is selling for 0.01 ... stupid scammer. Avoid like plague. Wish him the same he wished to us. Your coins, even if you get them back are WORTHLESS.

John Gotts trusted wrong people, now he wrote:

John Wright Gotts Founder of the BitcoinLatina Community:
This was the official page for BitcoinLatina’s Community.  We appreciate everyone who participated. Those who were active participants and good Community members are thanked and we will be in touch with many of you to consider other opportunities.

Mexico’s Central Bank has pushed for and gotten a new law that makes it a jailable offense to participate in buying and selling crypto without a 6 month to 2 year wait, with no guarantee the Central Bank will ever approve your crypto.

Other countries across Latin America with unstable currencies are also making crypto illegal.

Where we thought we had uptake by a first university we now have people who face jail if they participate.

The world is a big place but right now crypto in Latin America faces a very uncertain future.

We wish everyone well. BitcoinLatina is officially closed and the BCL and BTCL crypto is no longer backed by any blockchain or community. Long live her memory.

To the Community, thank you for your support. I can say we did our best but the Mexican Central Bank decision closed doors we hoped would remain open.

Good luck to everyone.

The world 🌎 turns and we move on smarter and wiser both.  The Community has moved on and this Telegram is closed.

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That means Scam Party is over and he will start a new Coin and restrt his Business Model. Be aware and live your life people!

All the BEST to everybody

xcon

Again thanks for the update. Sadly there are so many of these types of stories in the crypto world. At first I thought BCL might work, but it was just so inward looking all the time, and unless you were locked in you got left behind. What a waste of time and energy for everyone.

crypto 2.0 ...... a bad project. shameful - jonh! ;D ;D ;D ;D

Guys, looks like the scammer John Gotts launching a new coin - BitcoinEDUCO.

As all of us was scammed by his previous project, BitcoinLatina (BCL), let s spread the word
about him and try to not let new people get into this shit.

For example, we can complain on Facebook pages with BTC edu:

https://www.facebook.com/BitcoinEduco-SA-2107771602628908/

https://www.facebook.com/BitcoinEducoVietNam/

https://www.facebook.com/bitcoineducobrasil/


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And it will be perfect, if someone from EU or America can send official legal complain as citizen to the Finance monitoring authorities.

I think scammer John Goths should be wide known as scammer as much as possible.

I was going to reserved translation for one of your needs but then I read the one-pager and discard it.
But I like the idea of using Eos instead of Ethereum.

Lol i just wasted like 10 minutes reading all this, its a nice name what a waste.

The story continues guys...John Gotts is launching a new project, another project haha... Stokens  ;D ;D ;D ::)
The Linkedin discussion is in full swing...
When will he be punished.. >:(
https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6450766507390562304
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/careful-scam-dmitry-dolgolaptsev/
Let's support! If someone in the subject of the problem.. ;)

Thanks for the news and warning.
a SCAM receipt is easy to use and re-use... unfortunately

I am glad that I can somehow warn people! Be careful, they stop at nothing... >:(

Affirmative! You're absolutely right!

I want as many people as possible to notice it. But still, if I managed to convey it to at least one, it is a victory against the fraud!

hello @ll

Where to sell this scam ?  ;D

thanks a lot

To sell?) I think you will not be able to sell) It is the wrappers that are worth nothing ;D
Stokens - Scam | Bitcoinlatina - Scam | John Gotts - Scam  :-* :o 8) ::)

Tu postes pas grand chose ces derniers temps et boum t'arrive dans ce thread avec cette question...

 8)

T'as perdu un pari? C'est une gage  :D

Looks like scammer John Gotts is launched another scam-project:

https://stokens.com/

https://www.facebook.com/stokensinc/

https://twitter.com/stokensco

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Be aware of it, if you don t want to lose your money.

Thanks jardine.

Do we have a thread on BTCT to list all these scams?

Yeah, you can use the Scam Report format: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.0

And someone already scam reported about Stokens: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5038617.0

Nice to know, thank you

This is all not cool..

I m decided to make a summary post here, why John Gotts is the scammer and all, who lost money because of him
(and BCL project) can link to this post for help explain to other people who he is and read about him.

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For someone, who don t want read all of this and want a short version - here it is:

1) John start the project (BCL)
2) Sell part of it to the partners for 17$
3) Starting the trade on Bitshares exchanges, where people buying his coins
4) Price of BCL gone for pennies
5) John close the trade and announce a switch to the new coin (BCL/EOS) in 1:1 proportion
6) People left nothing to option and send all BCL to him for future switch
7) After some time, John announce that he WILL BE NOT DOING SWITCH to the new coins and BCL project is closed.
8) "Thanks for you money, guys, it s not my fault".


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I can say that all that Dmitry wrote ( https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/careful-scam-dmitry-dolgolaptsev/ ) is true.
I m also was participated in Bitcoinlatina project and scammer John Gotts scam all of us and just close the project,
leaving us with worthless BCL coins on hands, which we mined or bought on exchange, believing that BCL is good
and respectable project.

For make it clear, i m try to remember step by step how BCL fraud was done:

1) John Gotts starting Bitcoinlatina project and launch mineable chain, which is just a copy of Ethereum and nobody
knows, including John, why mineable chain is needed.

2) And because this was copy of Ethereum, sure that people mining a lot of BCL coins, because of low difficulty.

3) In the same time John create another copy of BCL - this time on Bitshares exchange, which is not mineable
and you can only buy it. Let s call it BCL (bitshares).

4) John sell BCL (bitshares) to initial investors/partners for 17$ for 1 BCL (!!!).

5) After this, he realised that mineable BCL is no needed at all and suddenly announce that mining will be over in the end of the week.

6) He announce that all miners can change their BCL (eth) to BCL (bitshares) and set deadline to this change.
 
7) People change BCL (eth) to BCL (bitshares).

8] Price of BCL starting to fall like a stone, because it s free market and nobody wants to buy BCL for 17$
(even for 10$, and even for 1$).

9) People just selling their BCL and John goes mad, because he can t believe, his precious coin not worth
as much as he wants. John claim all who selling as traitors ant start ban and kick people from telegram group.
 
10) He start to understand that on free market he can t control the price and announce that all holders of BCL
coins will be switched on the new chain, based on website and system he created (and where he will have total
control of inner exchange). Let s call it "John site".

11) He announce that trading on Bitshares will be closed in a week and all BCL holders must send BCL to his wallet,
from where all users will receive new BCL coins on "John site". And after switching to "John site", all users will move
another time to the EOS chain, when it will be released in 4 month and get BCL/EOS coins.

12) After that announce price of BCL finally crashes to the pennies and some of people buying lot of BCL for pennies.

13) BUT scammer John Gotts say that all who buying BCL for pennies not be able to transfer their coins to the BCL/EOS
on the future!! Great, right? You buying coin on exchange for your money and after you bought, founder of coin say that
your coins is worthless and you just bought dust :)  

14) All the holders of BCL make final transfer of their coins to the John wallet and trade was shutdown.

15) John receive all BCL coins on his wallet and announce of waiting transfer to the new coins (to his site; and after that -
to EOS/BCL, when EOS will released).

16) Long story short - John not give to BCL holders not the new coins, not the EOS/BCL coins, when EOS finally was released.

17) He just say - "Guys, thank you all, but because of problem with crypto in Latin America (and this is BCL project was about)
i must say i close the project. There is will be no refund for BCL coins, and it will be no switching of BCL coins to the new project.
Thanks for your money. It s not my fault, sorry."  



If you think that this is not scam, i don t really know how to call it. Many people, who trading on Bitshares exchange and who
bought BCL coin, was realised that they bought something that cost nothing. Because of founder decide to close the project. Nice, heh?

And i don t know what feel like was of John initial partners, which was assured by John bought his coins for 17$ in the start.


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It s fair, that proofs is needed. You can read something here, if you like:

Here is full thread about BCL from the start:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3008918.0


Here is what Stan Larimer, one of the most respectable mans in crypto, think about John Gotts:

https://steemit.com/bitshares/@stan/john-gotts-just-violated-the-crypto-code-of-the-hills

https://steemit.com/bitshares/@stan/bitcoin-latina-market-manipulation-caught-in-the-act


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It s pity that scammer John Gotts can cheat so many people for their money, and can easily start the new projects -
now it s https://stokens.com/ and not going to jail for his actions.

Is this the new Bitcoin Latina?

Man I remember that shit show of a project!

I hope this one goes better!