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Hello all,

I am very sorry that it came to this. and i apoligize sincerely for that.

Due to circumstances in my private life I have neglected support for Phenixex.
Because my situation isn't going to change. I can't maintain developing for Phenixcoin and Phenixex.

I know we let alot of people down and I am deeply sorry for that.

I would also like to apoligize to John Car who had no way to resolve the deposit and withdrawl issues and felt very let down by my absence and everything that came out of that.

Further more I want to state that Magnet, Joerri, Nazawish and others that have been supporting Phenix are in no way to blame for this mess.
They have been really genuine in their support and efforts to make phenix a succes. They are let down the most and they didn't deserve that it ends like this.

Our intentions were sincere, believe it or not and we looked very much forward to making phenix a succes.

Sometimes life catches up in ways you don't expect and I am very sorry that people got caught in the middle.

I will resolve every issue that has risen and will make sure people will get their coins back.

Phenixex.com will be closed with a notification message on it.

On the site will be an e-mail adress where people can write to about how many coins they have stuck in the exchange.

They will get refunded as soon as possible.

sincerely,

iamatrix,
mike

Reserving a spot, just in case. Good for you if you make it up to everyone, though

Every thing is there.. we were not hacked or anything. all refunds will go out.

M.

I don't see an email on the site yet, so here is what you owe me.

0.22176913btc

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h320/hendo420/stillwaiting1_zps0d5a902f.png (http://s67.photobucket.com/user/hendo420/media/stillwaiting1_zps0d5a902f.png.html)


156HoZbqmDsAqTcESuSQAMWz9feJh1xmtc

"Even I saw this coming"

- Blind Freddy

 ::)

If what you say is true and you follow through on your promise of returning everyone's coins, I would imagine most people are more than happy to forgive and move one. 

"I see", said the blind man, as he pissed into the wind.

"Its all coming back to me now."

Good luck

Do not post your refund requests here.

http://i1315.photobucket.com/albums/t588/zackclark70/phenxex_zps56704b6a.png (http://s1315.photobucket.com/user/zackclark70/media/phenxex_zps56704b6a.png.html)

the addresses my coins need sending to are

ADT > 2Augz5y4HPotBqT6yyKxfATACGSJzFpNe8
LTC  > LWsr4BacHwbU4kebx4Vc415yPTuqrsibm3


my account names are zackclark70 and zackclark701

I am posting my request here so it can be verified my anyone

who wants to bet that coins won't be refunded?

Preview of mcxNOW...


~BCX~

^ maybe, but in that case the coins won't be there anymore

What odds you offering? I'll take you @ 10,000/1 on?

Hey moron follow the fucking instructions..

and Ill be sure yours will be the last to go out

@iamatrix, we understood you have some personal problem but WE AREN'T guilty for them. Dont forget that and be a little bit more fuckin kind!

Here we go. Strap in

Its just him personal... not anyone else..

Maybe zack only read the OP and not the entire thread. Did you ever think of that? Perhaps you should update the original post if it's so important to you.

No its just zack being zack...

I'm out, no time for board stuff.

I will be checking emails and sending refunds

personally, I've never had a problem with phenixex. I also don't currently have any balances there as I only really used it for obscure coins that no one else was listing.

That said, give the guy a break. At least he's trying to make good on it and didn't just run off with everyone’s coins.

And what will be with all the coins in people wallets??
I forgott 230PXC and cant reach it as wallet is not working.
Ok, they dont have any value, but still I can dump them on cryptsy for 0.000000..... or less

My colleague CheekaZ have 10k coins stucked in wallet!

firstly when I was making my post you had not said about not posting on here when I saw that you had demanded that its not posted here I decided it would be best to post here so it is public so you cant say you sent me the coins wen in reality you send them to your own address

you really don't want to be an asshole to me as I am Sure a lot of people here would like to know where you live ....

Edit: is all this because I gave you negative rap and started a scammer tag request ? if it is I am sure you would do all you could to stop people getting scammed

Such professionalism. :D

Hey, they dont say crypto is the wild west for nothing  ;D

http://www.chronicleoftheoldwest.com/pics/chronicle_wild_west_show500.jpg

How's that UNOCS Freight Train working oout for you guys?


~BCX~

Just saying...if you pay back zack he would probably remove the spammer tag request and give you a positive rep.

hit the nail on the head :)

if people do the right thing and I will support them
if they treat me like crap and I will return the favour

I see no reason to remove the scammer tag. Promises were made left and right, and never kept, and believers were left holding the rotting carcass. UNOCS Bridge, PCX, PhenixEx... all bullshit promises and hype. Let the scammer tag stand.

the neg rep a gave was for not getting my coins back when I receive the coins I will remove that rep as it would no longer be true I will be putting a new trust feedback when I receive the coins

the rep I leave will be biased on how well they deal with the problem ( at the rate they are going at it will be worse than the current rep )

Kick.

in other words don't start something you can't finish lol

i hope every guy out there see's this and takes a second to stop and think..
do have the ability to support a new currency, exchange, service etc AND are you *sure you will want to in a year or two
or around here in a day or two lol

i guess when you get bored you can always start over again with a new name tomorrow.. screw the bag holders lol

I hear UNOCS was a real success and it attracted loads of suckers smart investors buying into PXC, FTC and WDC....  ::)

Idiots.

Wow....


Just wow

the email is phenixexrefunds@gmail.com ?

Email sent.  Will post here once refund is received/confirmed

Serious question.

What kind of deposits/volume in BTC was PhenixEx doing at it's peak?

Everyone seems to have quit because no one was making money.

...and Cryptsy; oh wait you like that site, right?

Extremely unlikely. Vern is a US resident, everyone knows his identity and where he lives. If he were to do such a thing, there'd be extreme ramifications.

Realsolid, however, lives overseas somewhere, and no one knows who he is. He could run off with your money at any moment, and there's not a damn thing anyone could do about it.

Heheheh...surely he will pay - give him a chance will ya`?  :D  /// http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ6xBaZ92uA ///

The larger point is that doings that transpire on alt-coin exchanges are unregulated and can be somewhat shady. Knowing Paul Vernon's name and address doesn't make a difference. In fact, that his "exchange" and resulting businesses being located in the US gives him legal protection should he decide to close up shop and declare fiscal ruin--he can simply file Chapter 7 and walk away.

I'm merely poking for the sake of argument. I DO support mcxNOW and Cryptsy both, I just don't see how this isn't the beginning of some of these sites going toe up.

Better yet, don't keep coins in these exchanges you can't afford to walk away from. I hate to think this, but its a good analogy--would you call in your dealer if he burned you on a $50 bag of weed or better, a $5000 kilo of coke? No, but is that because there's no one to call? All of this is the wild west with money. Global and unregulated; people are going to get burned and others are going abscond to South Pacific isles.

@Shakezula,

Wrong, trust in C++ Jesus, he will lead you to Bitcoin salvation



~BCX~

I never understood why ppl trust some random stranger with such large (for me at least) amounts of money. I hear ppl loosing 20 BTC... would you trust me with $2500 if I promise to return it?

it has been 24h and I have heard 0 reports of coins being sent out so far

You're a shitty coder anyway, no loss for the community. One heck of a scammer though!

I think the whole point of this post was to confirm your coins are gone and to essentially rub it in.

Then why would he promise to send refunds ? If he wanted to rub it in he could have posted " So long suckers !!!" ;)

Joerii, how are you still in belief of anything they say?  Didn't they burn you for thousands of dollars as well as play you to do their PR work? 

i have sent the mail,but not not not get the coin back! ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

agreed. that is what encrypted wallets are for. I believe that most exchanges I've looked at have a page that states they have no responsibility if you lose your coins.

With a response like that, I'm sure your customers are just so ready to believe your post about returning ALL of their coins.  ::)

You are an incredibly biased and misinformed idiot. That's my personal opinion reading all of your anti-mcx posts on this forum. No hard feelings though... Maybe you should just put that right in your sig? You say it a lot so I think that would be easier?

Anyways, I hope all of you guys get your coins back. Situations like this definitely suck. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for everyone stuck in this situation.

I know I am last on the list to get my coins back so I wont be seeing my coins any time soon :(

Did anyone get his/her coins?

no reports of anyone receiving coins yet

You mean, due to the fact that you've already milked the cash out of Phenix and that you can't be fucked to do any more work, you're abandoning PhenixEx?

lol

"Circumstance" = No more funds to take from the exchange  :D

The only reason I never bought your physical Litecoins is the way you treat other users and coins on this forum.  Just sayin'.  Show some professionalism or get a troll account for that purpose.

I burned myself for thousands of dollars :) Not blaming anyone.

Sure, I don't trust Mike very much anymore, but John is my friend.
If he says he's gonna take care of it, I believe him until proven otherwise. If he really is screwing me, I have made an error in judgement of epic proportions. Not impossible, but very unlikely. Hence, I'm not too worried.

Friend in real life or friend on the internet?

hint: there are no real internet friends.


~BCX~

I'll leave positive feedback here once I get my bitcoin, until then consider this a negative one.

Thanks.

Joerii,

John hasn't posted in this thread.  Only Mike.

Still waiting.......

Me too........

48h and still no reports of refunds

maybe he is really BFL and what it translates to is you might get your coins one day wen I can be bothered and run out of excuses and then only send out a few coins  

PhenixEx belongs to John. Mike and John have been real life friends for eight years.
Since PhenixEx belongs to John, he's responsible for what happens to the funds on it. If Mike doesn't pay, he'll have to pay out of his own pocket. That's what I'm going to suggest if Mike hasn't payed at the end of monday.

I don't think a internet friend or a real life friend is very different. What is friendship, really ? Feeling close to someone, having shared good times and bad. My best friend, whom I've known for 16 years, is someone I've met on the internet.
And real life friends have betrayed me before ( once ) so it doesn't matter so much.

Disastrus said he's been payed.

I havn't. Still waiting for my 10 btc and 16k WDC

I would have hoped that they would pay out the supporters first as you have been helping them for a couple of months now

where is my coins???

the email address is phenixexrefunds@gmail.com?

That wouldn't be right though. It's money, there should not be any favoritism. Everyone deserves to get everything back.

Thats true in theory, but according to the last post by "mike" there is favoritism and he is going to make sure of it.   

I've always told people not to buy my coins unless they are sure they want to. This way they do not have to trust me. I've even disclosed my personal identity to give people an idea of where and who to look for should indeed a "scam" occur of me not delivering coins or funding coins that were paid for.

You not buying my coins is just fine by me.

 ;D

Let's stay on topic. So far funds from the exchange discussed in the OP have not been returned hence my comment. Concerning my coins, they are all funded (the ones that have arrived at their destination). Speaking of professionalism...  ::)

Has Iamatrix disclosed his personal identity?

Create another account for trolling? Well if I did that then I would be a two-faced individual. At least you get me at face value with one account. This one.  :)

yeah how about those refunds, let's get this shit rolling

I don't get it. This exchange has a database, self developed. Obviously it's just one query to see what coins are stuck. If the intention is to pay back everybody, why isn't it automated? Why do you need to mail your return request when that information is already available?

Because not everyone will see this post and request refunds, then the dev gets to keep whatever is left.

Fixed that for you--UNOCS countdown....GO!

Can i just ask you how you got burned for this much? what happened exactly?

I have been extremely patient ...I think it's about time this matter was investigated by the proper authorities..

HAHAHA, who are the "proper authorities"?

now been 3 days and only 1 unconfirmed report of someone getting the coins back

FinCEN

Unless fiat was sent to the exchange, FinCEN has no jurisdiction over virtual currencies.

I'd approach them anyway, the U.S. courts determining that crypto is money in the case of pirate may mean that they could be of assistance.

Admittly it's a complex issue.

A civil suit would be a much simpler option, and easier to prosecute.

A civil suit is the correct response. 

When bASIC owed me money, I threatened Tom with a lawsuit and I was refunded my coins.  I've since threatened Mike with one, and he hasn't refunded my coins.  I guess he doesn't believe I'll follow through.  If anyone wants to provide me with information on Mike and John please feel free.  I have a regular private investigator that I use, but there's no use in paying someone if I can get it from someone that already has it.

Good luck with that.

The money alone to go through the courts to get your money back through legal action will likely outweigh the mount of monies you have currently held up at this exchange.

Not to mention FinCEN has already made it clear on what they regulate and oversee. They can't regulate any decentralized currencies. Only the gateways that convert to fiat.

Hence this exchange (to my knowledge) did not convert to fiat, there is no recourse (legally).

Risk vs Reward is not in your favor there. Just my two cents.

It's a small claims court issue. Only cost about $150 in court costs if you did it all yourself.  If you hired an attorney however, yeah.  Good luck with that.  Although, depending on the information I find out on these two (such as their location), I might be willing to take clients in regard to the issue for a reasonable fee. 

On this level of amount of coins and their value I doubt you would get your judgement.

I could be wrong. Perhaps someone would like to take the owner of this exchange up on this.

It would be easy to obtain a judgment.  They likely wouldn't even show up to defend. And the corporate veil (if anything was incorporated) would pretty much be irrelevant since they are personally keeping the coins.  

The difficulty in these cases always comes in collecting on the judgment.  

You would just have to garnish their paychecks or execute on their bank and freeze their accounts.  

That is what I was getting at. Actually getting your judgement on what is owed.

The first move would be to request PhenixEX.com domain registration information, which although private, the company will release at the registrants expense upon request. It is best if the request is made by an officer of the court.

It is my opinion that there has been a violation of section 408C of the Queensland Criminal Code (fraud). Certainly section 41 of the Extradition Act (Cwth,1988) would apply even although the accused has never set foot in the country, as is the case with the pending extradition of Mr Setser from Los Angeles.

The minium penalty is 5 years imprisionment.

Admittly my training is in environmental law, but I think with a little research, some course of action would make itself apparent.

As for regarding a civil suit, legal fees can always be awarded to the plaintiff by the court. But for me, it's not about the money, it's about the principle.

That last line you stated is different in the U.S.  In the United States we follow what is referred to as the "American Rule" for attorneys' fees.  Generally, each party pays their own attorneys' fees unless there is a statute that says otherwise.  This is in obvious contrast to other judicial systems in which the loser can much more freely be ordered to pay the winner's fees.

Basically I would have to launch a civil suit in the US, If I did it in an australian court they could make a judgement, but it would not be enforceable.

Under australian law an on-line fraud comes under the juristriction of the police in the state in which the person was defrauded, and as it is a criminal act, the accused can be extradited to that juristriction. Australia has a extradition treaty with the US.

I really think this is the way for me to go, I won't get my money back, but I might get my moneys worth, and I'm more than a little tired of the get rich quick scam ridden environment pervading cryptocurrency.

I'll report it tomorrow, and while it will be up to the police to investigate and decide whether to prosecute, an extradition and some jail time would better the community as it would sober up the "wild wild west" mentality, so I think it's worth giving a try.

My time on the computer is limited right now, but i have completed about 60% of the refund requests i have received.
I am currently doing more refunds now. They are being done in the order they are received.

PhenixEx will stay online with the database intact until the domain expires (end of April 2014)

That should be plenty of time for anyone that has coins there to see the notice and request a refund.

to be clear:

In order to get a refund, please send an email with your exchange username, your amount/currency and your wallet address to phenixexrefunds at gmail.com.

This is the only way to get a refund.

So please follow the instructions to get your refunds as soon as possible.

If you would be so kind to post in this thread when you received your coins, it could take away some of the unrest that's there among people who have not received them yet.

I dont get why you did all this work for nothing, with your vision you should be able to start where you left off later on.

Just RL issues right now, I need to take a break and sort them.

The best option right now, was to close it and issue refunds. JohnCar knows whats going on, while he is not happy, he understands.

tldr phenixcoin operators already dumped their premine, thus have no motivation to continue working on the coin.

well done!

you have not refunded 60% of people as I have heard no reports of it happening and my email was one of the first sent to you so unless you are sticking to what you said by sending my coins last you are lying about sending in the order you received emails 

I do not care what you have heard or not heard, and I do not see an email from you, and gmail does not "loose" emails.

Unless your name is Nolo , Chris U, M Friexxx or Micka (first emails received in the first 2 hours) your mistaken.

The order they are received and the coins requested depending on blockchains completed so far.
All wallets were removed from the ISP server and that server data has been destroyed. In the cases where I have personal coins and the chain is not finished, I send from my personal.

In other cases where I know who the person is, I went and bought some and will get mine back when chain is finished (just bought 40K RED) for that.

Please send or "resend" your email.

Exactly this. Phenixcoin has always been shady, I wouldn't be surprised if it was made solely for the premine profit.

I sent the email as soon as the address was up on the exchange as you say emails don't get lost I will resend it now if you "lose it " again I will not be happy you have already threatened to send my coins last not you lose the email funny you can also look on page 1 of this thread as all the info is there and I will just be copying it into ann email and sending that to you

Thank you for sending the email, I now have your request.

I need a record of each refund request, so I can prove whats been sent.

A posting on a board is not a good enough record.

I can confirm that my refund is being processed. It's working its way through confirms and shows in my wallet as pending. Thank you for keeping your word.
-David

I also received my refund! (email send 2 day ago)

Got mine.

100FRK, sent email whenever the message showed up.

Do I withdraw my balance in the normal way or send a email for withdrawl?

payment received

I have been waiting since the the 15th to get my BTC...

You just ran out of time...

This needs a bump.

Anyone paid yet?

still nothing here

nothing get :(

I received my BTC and LTC on:  2013-10-01 19:24:06

is it possible they are only paying out the small amounts so it looks like they are doing more than they are

How many coins did you have stuck on PhenixEx?

Nothing here

have sended him second letter, because first letter from 28.09.13 was simple ignored.

You can wave your coins goodbye.  Just saw this link on cryptsy chat

http://www.coindesk.com/phenixcoin-ashes-developer-goes-awol

He's acknowledged he received my request for about 100LTC.  Still haven't received them yet.

I can't see why refunds would take very long. It's a simple transaction after account verification.

My BTC has been refunded.  But it was a VERY trivial amount.  It was such a small amount that I requested, that he even sent me a little bit extra.  Which I thought was nice of him.
Proof: Transaction ID: 1f460073924bf5fa53eea9698eeded66078015268aa534c445384a7b26297336

I'm still waiting on my SXC, which is a MUCH more substantial amount. Won't be happy if I don't get that back.

Quote from the email he sent me: "Other coins to follow shortly as I do each blockchain"
So I guess he's doing one coin at a time?

Edit, that email and refund he sent me was 6 days ago.  So I don't know what his definition of "shortly" is...  But like he says, he's busy and dealing with personal issues.  I can relate to that, so I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.  For now.

Lack of funds usually does that.


~BCX~

Still waiting....

Assuming he has all the funds. Giving OP the benefit of the doubt.

I did get back my HBN, and an email that other coins were coming later, but well it is later.

jut another bump I ( I have given counting how many  days I have been waiting

from:    Olegcho(at)gmail(dot)com <olegcho@gmail.com>
to:    support@phenixex.com
date:    Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:36 PM
subject: 82.81 LTC

STILL NO ANSWER OR REFUND





from:    Olegcho(at)gmail(dot)com <olegcho@gmail.com>
to:    phenixexrefunds@gmail.com
date:    Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 8:43 PM
subject:    BTC and LTC withdraw issue

STILL NO ANSWER OR REFUND

Can't you all show some more respect for iamatrix's problems. I hear he's suffering from a bad case of cointheftitis.

he better hurry up and pay people as there are people with coins stuck that will have no problems braking his legs hopefully he doesn't get hert but I wont be talking anyone out of doing it

The phenixcoin crew were always shady but this is down right robbery.

Do we know who this clown is? I'd rather see the authorities take care of the problem than turn to thuggery.

there are a few people that know who / where he is  if I don't have my coins in a few days I will be using all of my resources to track them down

What?  There's no justice like angry mob justice!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLJFgJ1GXsM

If the coins aren't paid in 48 hours, I'll post an uncensored picture of his chihuahua.
And that's just a start...

By the way, "Photo GPS extract" is a great tool. Ever heard of it?

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r254/MaGNeT76/mikesdog_zpsffe96747.jpg

No Coins.............

Gotta admit. I lol'ed on that one

Name:   iamatrix
Posts:   312
Activity:   168
Position:   Full Member
Date Registered:   19-04-2013, 22:26:01
Last Active:   02-10-2013, 16:18:18

I would say he is gone and has my 0.25% of all ADT that will ever be made :(

Mailed twice, no response.

 :'( That's a lot...

if they are ever worth 1usd it will be one of the biggest scams ever committed

This all doesn't surprise me.

Once again, talk is cheap.

Is it time to light the torches yet?

nearly lol

they were very stupid to scam so many people in such an open way as what they have done will change there lives

if its not the police that are after them it will be people that they have stolen from

if it really worth watching over your shoulder for the rest of your life for a relatively small amount of money at there current value

Yeah I still haven't even received my 400 some odd PXC refund for what I dared to leave on that exchange even though it isn't worth much now that Michael dumped the premine. I was also holding 10K in a wallet when he crashed the price so I'm pretty pissed about that as well. Pretty lame he dumped in the faces of even those who stuck with him promoting the coin from the start such as Joerii. No sympathy for this guy when things catch up to him.

I have mailed twice and have not received any reply. Yet another write off for me (after Coins-E stole 12k PXCs from me)


Maybe get a hitman and pay him PXCs? At least would bring PXC into the news :P

We need a Name/address so we can all call the local police on him.

This is blatant theft and should be treated as such.

He's not hard to find (mike) well known on some adult forums ask around and his personal details will come up i'm sure. He has pissed a few people off. Will they all eat the loss or will some people get their funds back. Really the entire things looks like premeditated fraud. Perhaps an indepth investigation could force some refunds to transpire. Most will just eat the loss though as always and the next scam they dream up will be larger than the last.

Thing is nobody as yet is telling the full story of what happened? mike or john who took the swag ....?

As I had mentioned, he came back just to rub it in.

Joerii, save yourself the postage.  Neither one of these two are going to read or care about it if they do.  If they truly honored your friendship and dedication they wouldn't have thrown you under the bus with the rest of the herd. 

Well, Chondrite as a budding poker player I'm sure you understand the pott odds are very good for this hand ;-)

If he doesn't answer, at least I gave him a great chance. He deserves a heads up before a name and shame of the magnitude that's about to happen. I'm talking a shitstorm of apocalyptic proportions here. Who's with me, anyway ?

Well, the last names of Mike and John are known already.

PhenixCoin in ashes after developer goes AWOL (http://www.coindesk.com/phenixcoin-ashes-developer-goes-awol/)

More to follow. If they scam people this way, they get their fair share of fame. I don't want Phoenixcoin to be associated with scammers.

As well as the rip off exchange, i'm just as interested in whom planned and took the gains from the phenixcoin scam. Looks like premeditated fraud to me. Mike has been touted as the main scammer, and his name is pretty much dirt. However John must have been involved with this premine dump scam being the owner.

Thanks for the article it's good to see their full names at last. There is quite a bit of evidence here and i wonder how much money was made from the entire scam (the premine dump and exhange rip off) ...probably enough to some legal people interested.

What was the entire premine worth if dumped at peak or near peak.

The deliberate take-down of the main website and the other phenix sites even though they needed no dev on them except hosting was an obvious attempt to destroy the coin.

It was premediated scam. They premined coins, hyped it up, lied about some bullshit bridge and then dumped those premines while others were buying up.

Both Johncar and iamatrix were in together. Johncar's trying to distance himself is just lame. Both should be behind bars.

Carmichael is not Johns last name. That's a fake name he uses.
And there are many Mikes with the last name "Burns".

The only way to get to Mike is through John, it seems.

Also, the premine... Yes it was sold by Mike. I was sick of it when I heard that. Its the reason I finally quit as the community leader for PXC. I defended these guys for months, and in the end the were lying to me. It's hard to find the words to express how angry I was at that betrayal. John fully blames Mike for this. Don't know if that's honest, though.

It's not as simply as that, not as black and white.

That's the end result though, you're right about that. Maybe it's not so much the intention that matters, but the end result.

When did this Mike sell the premine? No doubt while he and Johncar were posting here asking everybody to buy before the countdown expires.

Ghostlander just found out and posted it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=305584.msg3323332#msg3323332

That's what happens when you don't respond, Mike...

Mike, your Chihuahua is DOXED!

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r254/MaGNeT76/260371_2252090985251_1737724_n_zps752f22e9.jpg

And there are more pictures...

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r254/MaGNeT76/IMG_0285a_zps0505b67c.jpg

How much do you owe users?

Would you be willing to trade PhenixEx code if I pay off your debts?

I like this suggestion. 

I think "PhoenixEx" would be a nice name for it :P

That just confirms it. It was a premediated scam. No good intentions in there.

I am willing to bet Johncar was also in it. Very hard to believe the key person backing it had no control.

Either that or he trusted Mike not selling the pre-mine, thinking they still had it.
Mike sold the BTC he got for PXC here, I'm pretty sure now: http://bitcoin-otc.com/newsite/viewratingdetail.php?nick=iamatrix&sign=ANY&type=RECV

Everyone, please post the ammount of coins John and Mike still owe you here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=299765.20

John's getting a certified letter in the mail on the 15th. I've increased the term for him to refund us to the 22nd, so he'll have exactly one week to comply.

Again, my concern is getting everyone's money back, not hurting him. I will do everything in my power to make it very hard to pull something like this in the future, however.

bump

well, there were some pretty loud defending voices when a lot of ppl were saying it's a scam... granted, the reason "hei guise, we made a poker site and hence the premine, promise we won't sell" was somewhat believable but still...

Your point being....?

http://phenixex.com and http://explorer.phenixcoin.com are down now too

Michael Burns (Iamatrix) pulled the plug it seems, stealing over 50 BTC worth of coins from the community.
JohnCar got a few extra days to respond to the letter he received from Joerii but I doubt if he will.

Scumbags! >:(

Yeah, if he's paying attention to this forum at all, then he obviously knows the letter is coming and what it is.  So it wouldn't be very smart of him to accept it.

Good luck. Hope you bring those scammers down.

This site might be helpful for everyone who wants to know their options regarding legal actions, criminal persecution and other information:
http://www.avvo.com/ask-a-lawyer

This one as well, but it is paid:
http://www.justanswer.com/law/

This is a directory to find a lawyer afterwards in the required state:
http://www.ailalawyer.com/

A lawyer is not tied to a specific state, but I still recommend chosing a lawyer in their state as they know the specifics of state laws and tracking them down would be easier.

Google is helpful!

It has nothing to do with trying to scare you Joeri. What i am trying to do is show you are barking up the wrong tree. The only way you will see i am telling the truth is by playing this out. Here are the links to who you need to contact http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx Now you have publicly stated
my name and slandering me in a public forum. Now this is a whole different ball game. There will be no more contact between us.  

that face looks kinda rapey

Its only slander when you prove its not true.  At this point, your relationship with Mike as a partner makes you guilty by association.  Furthered by the fact you have no interest in helping anyone get their coins back from your partner.  Distancing yourself from the scammer after the fact doesn't make you clean.

Give the coins back or people will sue you. People have documented evidence all it takes is for one person in the US. Everyone else will back them up, operating a service like this and then running away is not at option.

There wasn't any contact to begin with so what are you talking about. And don't make a fool of yourself with your so called lawyers. If you couldnt even pay an extra coder and got arrested for those crimes you wont be even able to pay any civil legal fees at all to have even 1 lawyer. You stated clearly that mike worked for you so you are responsible.

Btw, the plaintif doesn't have to be in the US: the representative or lawyer needs to be.

Exactly, I have had no part of the phenix coin or exchange but this community is smart and if your cutting and running with peoples money that is not right, fair or legal. We are trying to develop we don't need services like this cheating people. You will be made an example of we are not trading pokemon cards.

Yup, John always said "we" when he was talking about "Phenix Crypto Systems Network Inc."

Example:

The Bar is a state by state matter, though some states honor each other's Bar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_bar_association

Screw it done debating with you all about this.  Mike stole your fucking coins,his servers, he publicly admits he has the coins. Mike does not work for me or
is there any financial transactions between me and Mike. Joeri or anyone here in the United States get your ass on the phone Monday morning contact the cybercrimes division of the FBI and and Las Vegas and Florida Attorney General. Lets get the ball rolling on this so we can put this behind us. I can say 110% legally and morally i have done nothing wrong. To everyone else good luck with your future endeavors.

JohnCar

You may be looking for a cause of action for libel (in print, published), slander is oral, or transitory.

ty little hot headed right so yes you are right.....

This is comedy gold; except that people lost their hard earned money. I especially love the 'its not my fault' defense.

Go get 'em. I am sure the whole crypto community would like to see them being made an example of.

So you started a coin with a freaking massive premine and now you say you had no control over it? What exactly were you doing? Lounging around in a club and hoping some mythical Mike was going to generate you free money?

'morally i have done nothing wrong' - thanks for the laughs.

Nobody is debating with you. We are way past that.

You just closed all the windows and hoped the storm would be over after a few weeks. Well, the storm hasn't even hit land yet.

Your impressive criminal record isn't helping you either: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=303602.msg3416893#msg3416893

Sorry I'm late to the party on this today.  I feel there's quite a bit of legal jargon being thrown around incorrectly, and would like to correct some of it.

First, the matter of defamation.  From what I've seen, no cause of action exists for defamation, so that term should just be dropped.  It just makes everyone using the terms and saying there is a cause of action for that look silly.  (Just an FYI, slander is defamation that is orally spoken.  Libel is defamation that is written.  I did a long writeup of the law of defamation about this time last year on this forum.  If you're really interested in learning about the law of defamation just look that post up.)  

Second, the issue of John saying that Mike wasn't his employee and therefore he isn't liable.  It's irrelevant if Mike was John's employee.  The two were engaged in a partnership.  A partnership is defined as two or more parties engaged in business for profit.  All partners are liable for the acts of all other partners.  There is obviously enough evidence to find that the two were engaged in an implied partnership. No express agreement is required.  

Third is the issue of what action those affected by John and Mike should take.  Due to personal matters, I'm not able to pursue a civil case against John or Mike for a couple of months.  I will pursue it, but I have "bigger fish to fry" in the time being, and I'm only owed 100LTC.  However, I had no idea that John had such a lengthy criminal record.  I highly suggest that each and every individual contact the DISTRICT Attorney General's office in the county which John lives and request that criminal charges be brought against him for theft and fraud.  Explain to them the details of what happened to you.  Individual emails should be sent.  Individual phone calls should be made.  The more people that do this the better.  Inform them of John's criminal history.

Someone should look up and post the contact information for the district attorney general's office where he lives. 

It would be very easy to get a civil judgment against him.  Anyone close to Florida I suggest you take that action immediately as well. If you are owed a substantial amount of money, I would suggest hiring a local Florida attorney.  

It is also important to note that both Mike and John are jointly and severally liable for the loss.  This means that you can collect either 100% from Mike, or 100% from John, or in any combination you like.  (You just can't collect more than 100% of what you are owed.)  John may have a cause of action against Mike for contribution or indemnification, but that is irrelevant as to whether John owes you the money.  He does.  

If you have other questions, just let me know.  I'm watching football today, so I'm in and out.  It may be an hour or two before I respond.  

For those of you interested in doing research on John, it would be helpful to know if he owns or rents the property he is living in, who his employer is, and what bank he uses.  There's no need to post this information publicly, so if you find it feel free to PM me.  It's not illegal to post it publicly, as long as your intent isn't to harass or engage in vigilante justice.  But consider your personal ethics when making such decisions.  

Thanks for that very informative reply, Nolo.

Im going offline for a day or two, have to work in my new house. After that I'm going to contact the Attorney General's office in Pasco county and report John to the FBI.

Oh and fill a a complaint with the IC3 as well, thanks for the link John. Bud. Always so helpful.

Unless my 12 BTC suddenly return to where they belong, which I highly doubt. Sigh.


Good point. I considered writing letters to his family but that would cause more pain then a couple of thousands of bucks are worth.

You're as dim and daft as you are ugly. Sorry mate, he's got every right. Funny that googling your info brought up a rap-sheet as long as my cock too. Funnier still you've been lurking watching for him to announce your info--and here I thought this thread couldn't get any better.

You're hot headed?!?!  I find this a very arrogant and insulting to the many people here who lost money on your exchange.

How about phenixpoker? Had 2500 worldcoins there

A bunch of retard childs and fucking bastards. That's what you are.

That's good Mike has taken down his block explorer and exchange sites finally. They were lame like everything else he did. Anyway, I'm sure Mike and John will bite their share of justice, and that will serve a good example for all big time crypto scammers of the present and future.

By the way, the new PXC block explorer is online at explorer.phoenixcoin.org (http://explorer.phoenixcoin.org). Better and faster.

A month later and no real progress on refunds?

That's surprising.  ;)

These guys are gonna get sued so easily, dear me guys we aren't in 1998 anymore lmao.

bump.

Nope just trying to speed up the process so i can come back here and tell you i told you so. You
talk about justice but yet you have all ready become judge and jury. I don't run i don't hide and
i have not done anything wrong. Were is the one who has your coins?

Joeri i had no beef with you at all till you posted my info. But since you publicly posted on the forum i am a scammer
accused me of a very serious crime i have no alternative to hound you till you contact the authorities and we
get this resolved. That is the only way this matter will be cleared up.

How could you realistically hope to not have your personal details posted after this phenix scam?

I personally do not feel you are as responsible as Mike if he really has taken all the coins and you've not heard from him since. However , how about the premine dump ? did you make good change out of that?

Either way of course your personal details would come to light if people didn't get their coins back.    If you really have no control over the lost coins and can prove that then i guess you have a lot less to fear than Mike does.

if you didn't take any coins why didn't you tell everyone and report him to the relevant people as soon as you know  about it ?

if someone had screwed me over like you clame you have been I would have contacted all the exchanges to see if they could freez any accounts and posted on here asap about how you got scammed and not to use the exchange

Thats a new one...  ::)

Still waiting for my 2.3k wdc's from the poker site

thanks in advance


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You realize you don't need a formal agreement with Mike to still be responsible for this, right?  And that it doesn't matter who has the coins?  People can sue you, and it'd be up to you to go try and sue Mike if you so wished.  I hope you've spoken to a decent lawyer.  Not sure why you are so confident in all this.

you are 100% correct anyone can sue anyone for anything. Fact is the company is not mine, the hosting is not mine, the cloudflare is not mine
and gethub is not mine, the cisco router is not mine and i did not never have ftp access to the exchange or did i ever have access to the vpn or
did anyone ever send me any coins. There were no finical transactions between me and Mike through Fiat or virtual currency after the date the exchange launched. There is also no mention of me on a fincen bsa e-filing at all.  Mike even publicly stated he has the coins.At the end of day Mike fucked you all not me.

With that being said if that makes me guilty then so be it. Yes i promoted the exchange does that make me guilty? If that makes me guilty that
means everyone else that promoted the exchange is guilt as well. Why would i give Joeri my personal email and home phone number for him to contact me when Mike went mia with the exchange if i was going to scam him or anyone else. I could of remained hidden behind a nic but no i tried
to be nice and help everyone get there coins back by pressuring mike to return them. I am still here i am not the one hiding and i refuse to stick
my head in the sand while someone is accusing me of being a scammer and accusing me of a serious crime.

http://worldcoinforum.org/topic/276-hello-from-phenixcoin
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r254/MaGNeT76/johncarphenixcoin_zpsa4397841.png

In everything you said and did on Bitcointalk and Skype, Phenix was yours and you are involved 100%.

You didn't respond to me for over a month, never told what was going on, and now suddenly it's getting too hot and "it's all Mike's fault".

Ok i will play along MaGNet what does the exchange have to do with the coin itself? Did you look up what company
owned the exchange? I guess not since you decided to bold a section of my last post. I understand you guys are upset
about loosing your coins but you are gasping at straws hoping something will stick and trying to get money from me
will not work. I am 110% legally and morally in the clear.

Joeri  i asked you for your legal counsel info on Saturday and still have not received it. So i will ask you here in the public forum
please send me your legal counsel info so i can move forward with this process and get this cleared up.

You didnt get the info because I have nothing to defend myself against.



EDIT : You always said Phenix Crypto Systems was owned by you. If I needed anything, I should ask YOU. All Mike was, is the coder. The friend and business partner for many years who you trust completely.

Now that story doesn't suit you anymore so you've changed it.

How can we believe ANYTHING that comes out of your mouth, while so much have been proven to be LIES ?

Not only am I going to sue you for the locked deposits, I'll do my best to nail you and Mike for the pump and dump as well. I have chat records of Mike gloating about his stash of PXC and later admitting he sold it when the price was high.

Well Joeri seems you made your mind up so no more of me wasting my time on this. No matter what i say you gonna believe what you want.
You got 1 weeks Joeri if i have not heard anything from any authorizes or you do not apologies to me here in the public i am going to flip the script and come after you. You my young friend are going to learn a very expensive that you can not go around posting stuff that is not true.

On a side note fuck Mike and fuck you to Joeri and to anyone that's doubted me. Everything i posted is true and i really don't care who believes what
no more. I been really nice through this whole thing but now the gloves are coming off. Since you refuse to give me your legal counsel's info i will
get your info myself today and send all legal correspondence to your home address.

I been online for 14 years and not once have i got accused of scamming anyone. I don't care how much time and effort i have to put into this issue
my name will be cleared at the end of the day. The last thing i will allow some piss ant to go around posting bullshit about me that's not true.

Also before anymore piss ants from the peanut gallery start posting and cheering Joeri on ask Joeri if he has verified that anything i said was not true. If Joeri says yes ask him to show you the proof and watch what he shows you which will be nothing,zilch,nada. Fucking guy is grasping
at straws now. Grow a bigger dick Joeri so you can go fuck yourself. The ball is in your court now motherfucker tick tock tick tock!

 

There is a time for everything.

Good luck mate. I am an absolute noob regarding legal stuff, but it will be great to see justice catch up with them.

Really Magnet you wanna jump on the band wagon now as well? Well then i will show the community you are not as trust worthy as you portray to
be. Also unlike you and Joeri i can prove the things i will post. Gonna go eat my lunch and then take a nap and we can continue on if you like.

If it makes you feel better, go ahead. Not sure what you'll come up with but hey, surprise us.

By the way, I still want my 1.288 BTC back and the 13k of PXC you promised for the "Jackpot Mining", but never paid.
ZackClark wants his 500,000,000 ADT back.
Joerii wants his 10 BTC and 13k (?) WDC back.
And a lot of other people want their coins back too.
And dont forget Nulo0b. You sponsored him but never paid him too, didn't respond to him either.

I recall they spent 24K PXC on the advertising campaign aka Jackpot Mining to promote PhenixEx.

10K PXC at http://explorer.phoenixcoin.org/t/57vEfzgSFs
14K PXC at http://explorer.phoenixcoin.org/t/A3WYKCntXn

MaGNeT, if I get it right, the latter is yours and they have never paid back?

There was a "UNOCS" timer contest, started by myself. I paid 2,500 PXC, then Mike put in another 2,500 PXC. He kept his word on that one.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258374.0

The "giveaway", started by myself too. I didn't mind paying for that, was my own idea. Joerii took over after I stopped and put another 500 PXC in the giveaway.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252919.0

What I'm talking about is the "Jackpot mining".
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283841.0

I paid 24,000 PXC, another PXC supporter sponsored me with 5,000 PXC so in the end I paid 19,000 from my pocket.
John asked me for my PXC address but never paid.

----------------
These are the transactions from my main wallet to my "Jackpot Mining" wallet:

Status: 34145 bevestigingen
Date: 27-8-2013 12:51
To: Pkf8zNFKrM9N6FVKThyVkfnKYdb9Ridi9d
Debit: -10000.00 PXC
Transaction fee: -0.002 PXC
Net amount: -10000.002 PXC
Transaction ID: e3dd6b0d317d984bfec1589e62c80592840fc1a0663f20b54e7b2240bde722e7

Status: 39928 bevestigingen
Date: 28-8-2013 17:51
To: Pkf8zNFKrM9N6FVKThyVkfnKYdb9Ridi9d
Debit: -14012.209 PXC
Transaction fee: -0.002 PXC
Net amount: -14012.211 PXC
Transaction ID: eea30329c9515d46f0e2a257d25c7378c31fd40becb43796440168ed0b5b2178

And received from the supporter:

Status: 45752 bevestigingen
Date: 29-8-2013 22:15
From: onbekend
To: Pbu7sy2aqyfXt9yJE47NWmsCQi44icJ3at (own address, label: jackpot mining incoming Phranky)
Credit: 5000.00 PXC
Net amount: +5000.00 PXC
Transaction ID: 309c96abbe348fd5b9c411b131be3b92c5e9df2e630e8b34c7d1e9506610a25f

I used a batchfile to send 0.1 PXC with a 50 PXC fee, every 15 minutes :) That ended up in the next block for the lucky miner who found it. Hence "Jackpot Mining".

That's hilarious. In fact, they promoted their scam of exchange using coins scammed from you. They couldn't return anything because they dumped all the pre-mine a month ago and didn't even care to buy back some. They launched PhenixEx for the sole purpose of further scamming. The game was over when they trapped enough funds on the exchange, so they pulled the sites, split the profits and started to play morons.

Johncar, you would hire new devs right? So it doesn't even matter that Mike is gone just let those new devs develop PXC again and everything will be fine. I am guessing that is not going to happen though. Second you said you were never accused of a scam. If someone saw your criminal repsheet upfront no one would have dealt with you. If a prosecutor/employer or even someone who is just curious  does a simple search they will know that you are the type of guy that doesn't change and is only a burden for the community.

Dont make invain threats to anyone here by the way. It will only result in your info popping up on more places.

Hello All my name is Bart and i have been following this board for some time. Hello to all the community members glad to be apart of the community now. It has been a long time in the making but this phenixex.com issue has made me come and post what i have found and what i did not find.

I made a deposit of sexcoin and ltc on phenixex.com about 3 weeks or so after the exchange opened. Bought some coins on the site and had no issues. Then i decided to sell some lite coin and and buy some other coins. This is when my issues started. I would try to withdrawn but withdraws were not working and i had deposit stuck.

So afraid that i might loose my coins and the site would disappear i wrote down the company name that was on the website and in the terms of service. So when i came back from vacation the website was still having issues and people still did not get there coins back. So i thought well maybe i wrote down the company name wrong. A few days later i was still debating if i did write down the company name wrong so i Googled it and came across a link to this site post #1https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=298537.0

Now it just so happens the company name i wrote down is the name mentioned in the link i just posted Global Core Solutions BV. So i went and did my homework on this company and found out it was newly registered company. Now a few days ago Joeri posted JohnCar info in a thread. I found 2 company's  registered to him and did in fact verify the info and that JohnCar did live in the states so i know that info is true.

Now here is were it gets interesting. JohnCar,Matrix,Joeri and Magnet all pushed pxc real hard. Joeri was there community manager and Magnet was there spammer. Then the exchange launched and all 4 guys promoted the exchange very hard. So when the issue of the coins not being returned Joeri and Magnet promised they JohnCar and Matrix would return the coins. Well as of today some small coins have been returned but not the ltc and btc.


So now Joeri and JohnCar have been going back and forth last 2 days threatening to sue each other. So i went back back and read every post of there's and come to the conclusion these are 2 smart guys why would they be posting what they did.

1: Why would JohnCar be taunting Joeri to call the authorities on him if he did scam everyone?
2: Why would Joeri be posting that he is going to sue JohnCar and continue to debate him in a open forum?

These 2 questions really bothered me and so i did some digging around and found out that Joeri and Magnet lives in the Netherlands. Now lets go back to the company name Global Core Solutions BV which is a Netherlands company. I then went and looked at dutch law and they don't recognize virtual currency as a monetary value. So if someone went after this Dutch company for there coins the courts would basically laugh at them and dismiss the case. So maybe i am just crazy or this is what i am thinking. JohnCar,Joeri,Matrix and Magnet are all on this scam. The 2 loudest screamers about loosing funds on the exchange are Joeri and Magnet. Joeri was there community manager and Magnet was there spammer .

It could be true that JohnCar does not own the exchange which in fact Joeri and Magnet owns the exchange and JohnCar and Matrix  if there is even a real person behind that nic is just taking one for the team. JohnCar has been insulting Joeri and taunting him to call the law which makes no sense.
Because if i am right JohnCar and Matrix by law from what i see are not liable. So everyone's attention is focused right now on JohnCar while Joeri is screaming im gonna sue im gonna sue.

People tend to let people get away online when they know they were not the only one that got robbed and know someone else is going to go after them. But the 2 people who supposedly lost the most money is the 2 people who were the closest to JohnCar and Matrix. So JohnCar as you can see in his post is 100% confident he did nothing illegal. Why because Joeri and Magnet are both on this scam with him and JohnCar knows no law authorities are coming for him.


This might be one of the boldest crypto currency's heist i have seen. If you think about it its a perfect scam. I found some more to that leads me to believe i am right but i will not post that till these guys reply to this thread. I got all 4 of them boxed in right now and all 4 will have a hard time explaining what else i found.


Now if did loose coins i would suggest you look into what i am saying. I am also going to write to coindesk and see if the can do a little more digging. The only info i can find on Joeri and Magnet is they are both from the Netherlands and mike burns which is common name in the states is leading me no were. If you know anything feel free to PM me.

I like conspiracy theories but the 'MIKE' in this is apparently well known for not finishing projects in the adult word namely on GFY forum. Dig around on there and see what you can find.  I didn't lose any coins thankfully, however i did waste a shit ton of time mining pxc and was disgusted that they pulled down the website and poker with no warning and destroyed the coin after unloading the premine.  So i would like to see people get their coins back and find out the REAL story of what happened with pxc, it was going well at one time and i wonder why it all imploded.  The actual steps it went through from inception to its destruction.  The PXC story would be worth a read actually in modern day online scams.. if it was intentionally started as a scam or if opportunity came up and it was later decided it should be turned into a scam.

No offence, but it's suspicious that a new user would register just to throw a counter-conspiracy theory at joeri.  That sounds like something johncar would do just to try to get people looking in places other than himself.  Edit: I just noticed that iamatrix logged in TODAY, for the first time since oct 1.  Suspicious that's the same day you show up? 

Also the source of that company name is unconfirmed.  A random user posted it, presumably copy/pasted from some phenixex page or communication.  But it's meaningless without a source.


On a related note.  This is important to me, and to everyone else here.  If you check who the www.phenixex.com domain is registered to, it's a company called Domains by Proxy (https://www.domainsbyproxy.com/default.aspx).  Their slogan is: "Your identity is nobody's business but ours".
Note to self, and note to everyone else here: DO NOT trust any site that is registered to a company such as that...  GoDaddy shows that the domain has been registered to that company since April.  That is some pretty damning evidence that the scam was pre-meditated from the very beginning..


Doesn't help us much now, but for future reference, that is a quick check we can do before we entrust our coins to any new site.  If we don't get our coins back, that's usually what I refer to as "pay to learn".



I'll post these details here, in case they get changed or lost:

Edit: I'll bet if someone calls up that Domains by Proxy, and says they are filing criminal charges against the owners of phenixex.com, you'll find out who the real owners are.

I don't know if you have this already, but:
From here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=267301.msg2858742#msg2858742), his msn is apparently michael@iamatrix.com
Seemingly that domain was registered by him, or his company.

DomainsByProxy is a standard Godaddy feature.  It is what you get if you pay a few dollars more for the domain to not have personal information associated with the domain.

If that is a real bet, I'll take it.  I will bet you that informing domainsbyproxy: "I am filing criminal charges against the owner of X domain" is not going to get you any new information about the owners of the domain.
Having a court order in your hand might (and it might not, depends on the court, and the order), but simply asserting what you expect to do, very much won't, I'd wager.

It's just an expression

Figures :) I've the bad habit of being over-literal.  Comes with the training.

I wonder what Jabots revenue was.... I don't trust him single word anymore....

DomainsbyProxy is just GoDaddy's "non-personal" registration service. I use it on andarazoroflove.org and have since mid-2003ish. Its just to keep your personal info from showing up in a "whois," and costs $9.95 a year. Not too scary.

Agreed.
Personal information can distract from the purpose of a web presence.

with BTC rocketing away, there is more incentive than ever for these guys to try and get their funds back? any word on the refunds yet?

Nothing but silence

This is very surprising. It maybe a case of them being in this scam together.

no refunds :(

and nothing I can do :( apparently its not worth bothering with as there is less than a 5% chance of wining in cort

You'd probably win.  Collecting is another matter.

Yes, but still we'd get to find out wtf happened and who these people actually are.  I'm sure this MIKE character was linked to a mike on the GFY board. He can't be that hard to track down and yet nobody knows his name?  something fishy here for sure.  People over there have sent him bank wires for work done so they must know who he is.


Magnet got taken for tons of BTC with this scam, surely some of you want some kind of result here even if it is to find out who exactly took your money?

As I've said before, talk is cheap.

OP claimed to be on the cusp of doing refunds and now over a month later...nothing much but talk and now silence.

He's the same guy...

Yes, they should have a legal address to send subpenas to requesting the information as it relates to a lawsuit or criminal investigation. Once verified, they'll release the information. A real company would have no need to hide its contact information. It was intended for individuals so that their home address and phone number were not out there.
 

with the resent rise of BTC and LTC and a lot of other crypto they got away with a total of
over £1,000,000 :(

Wow  :o

this thread should not be dead until the devs pay up !

bump


I guess nobody other than me eventually wants there coins back

I do.  Will likely be filing suit against both in late spring.  Coins are worth too much now to just let them steal them and keep them. 

yes back then my coins worth it 400 USD now there worth 10,000usd so its now worth it

the big question is do they have the funds to pay back

might be a good idea for people to pool together or for someone to take on the case for all willing users and charge X% of any returned funds

Present value of what I lost is worth 5000USD.  Or it was 20,000USD a couple days ago when SXC peaked.

Any lawyers accept bitcoin?

Me :)  But this case presents problems since I'm not licensed in either of the states they live in.  I'm going to be trying to work out a solution to that in the next few months.  I can't take the case until then though anyway.

So everyone be patient, and I'll eventually be announcing my plan on going after these guys. 

eyyoo where is my fucking money?  ::)

don't think we will ever see any of it again :( chances are it was al dumped for fiat before the price rise so even if they still had all the fiat they prob couldn't even pay back 20% of what they took due to price rises

US Legal Tender law allows debt settlement in USD regardless.

just looked at the scamers feedback you would think people that stole over 1mill prom the comunaty would have more than 5 bad feedback

look who just showed back up  > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=429755.new#new

this needs bumping again has anyone managed to track the guys responsible down i wonder if the other coins than PXC was going to team up with know stuff that might help

I was the part of that Team and Even I have no way to track them. Trust me they were Professional Scammers, Every thing related to them was fake. Well I am still happy to be with PXC. :D

Stole from me too.

It was such a smart scam. I have a feeling that maybe even Joerii was involved and pretended to be on our side.

Trust me Jeorii is no scammer. He is a nice guy and still active on this forum.

Well, hope so. But he was about have some legal recourse, what happened to that?

What happened is that we all tried to trace those two scammers and the Legal resources Jeorii was talking about were found to be fake.

JohnCar's credentials were faked too?

What do you mean by 'we'? Did you personally try anything?

Oops I used that word by mistake. Well I personally didn't do as much as Jeorii And MaGNet Did.

I repeat, you said Joerii hid a dead end, does that mean JohnCar was fake too?

I am not too sure about JhonCar But he must also be fake, as nobody claims that he knows any real thing about him. By the way JohnCar kept pretending that most of the scam was done by Iamatrix and not him. And also Mike kept going out of reach again and again for days in the last weeks of this scam. But I think it was just a way to keep us involved in this scam.

So how many coins did this crew go on to make since ?