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[Edit] Thanks to Gilgamesh with his post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34016.msg425326#msg425326 I've added another option to the poll. Can you guess which option I added?

I'm sorry for creating a somewhat bias poll, but please vote on how you truly feel about UABB.

First off, I want to state that I like this guy--Matthew N. Wright. I also believe that UABB is an excellent service for the Bitcoin community. But what I'm mostly reading are posts kicking the service to the curb, or from the curb to the street into a line of incoming traffic, or whatever the best analogy should be (I'm so f**kin pissed, I can't articulate think straight).

I opted to create this poll and tread because of this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=33761.msg424233#msg424233

It sadden me to read it.

So please chime in. I promise not to attack any comments (I never had in the past, though some may have felt attacked because of my warp sense of humor--sorry 'bout that folks). I welcome all professionally phrased hard questions toward UABB, and I'm sure Matthew will address each and every one of them as he has so graciously done so in the past.

Bitcoin is a wonderful invention/innovation and I believe that this start-up can really make an impact.

Or maybe you would like Matthew to direct his energies elsewhere, like creating another Bitcoin eBay-type site to compete with the other two (or is there more) that are currently up and running.

If I didn't make it, it's a scam.


Figured this thread needed a reply.

Thank you kindly Tx2000 for your reply and hope you voted.

I'll give him some props when he actually does something. Until then, I just consider him another person itching for their 10 minutes of fame.
I think personally I shall wait. I shall wait for an exclusive billionaire that has an extensive background in martial arts to pick up his battleaxe/katana/perhaps a warhammer, don his suit, and take care of all those Bitcoin baddies. His name? BitcoinMan! Na, na, na, na, na, na, na , na,, na, na, na, na, BitcoinMan!

If he stops spamming the forums and insulting people I might give him an ear. :)

I can only hope for the benefit of the masses his/their intentions are good.  Can't support words on a forum, would love to see them take some action instead of just talking up the service.

Also, I still believe this should be made more public rather than one person hold information regarding something as big as MyBitcoin's situation.

Thank you kindly for your opinion, Weaver.

I also like Sha Na Na.

http://atscommunicationsma.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Bowser.jpg

Reserving judgement until their site is functional. ;)

I would find it deeply and darkly amusing if the UABB guy and the MyBitCoin guy were one in the same.

Surely Mr. MBC would be keeping a low profile, but if he really had balls of steel, 'spearheading an investigation' into the crime and collecting all of the available data about it could be all kinds of useful.

I understand, somewhat, your spamming comment. Simply by Matthew commenting a lot, another link to UABB is created. I have read a couple posts where one could easily construe them as direct insults. Overall, I think he handles himself quiet well.

Thank you for your valuable input and hope you voted.

Thank you kindly for this insightful post, BitcoinPorn. I'll assume you voted.

Going with "?, for I'm holding back judgement at this time." for now :)

UABB is spam! the guy behind it may have good intentions.
but he is annoying!

This. I don't need to read about it in 5,235.098 places.

I voted Holding back judgement at this time.

When I first went to the UABB, I also had a concern in regards to the business/ratings page (was going to supply the link, but see that it's not available now--what a scumbag [lol])

Doesn't scam involve stealing money from someone? Did they ever ask for any money? I don't get it. They never did anything.. How can you classify them as fraud, scam, heroes, whatever?

Let me start this post by saying I am by no means passing judgement on him or his intent...

I had this same thought when I saw the 20 or so posts to every mybitcoin thread on the forum...  Keep your friends close and your enemies closer right? As the person responsible, obtaining as much information about what happened as possible would be a great risk mitigation strategy...  Sort of like playing a game of poker where everyone else's cards are printed on both sides and yours are not.

Again, not passing judgement, just making a statement in regards to the quote above...

@Matthew N. Wright
you are fucking annoying! and your posts are spam, they are all over the forum, and i don't even care about reading them anymore.
please if you really want something good to the community, STOP SPAM THE FORUM!

That's thinkin' outside the Bitcoin mining rig. That could easily be a justifiable concern. Therefore, due diligence is also warranted when it comes to a new start-up, especially when Bitcoin is concerned. Please offer any proof found to this community and, I for one, will jump on your bandwagon to help expose the fraud.

Thank you kindly for taking the time to comment and hope you voted.

I look forward to your yea or nay in the future. Thank you kindly for voting.

I'm beginning to think that whoever wants to see Bitcoin fail - his easiest strategy might probably not be buying gazillions of GPUs but to just sow the seeds of discord within the community :(

Just saying...

He did, not on wis website in his individual postings on this forum. That gives the idea of "Hey, I need money, but not right now because I have it. I'll tell when I do later on". That gives people the idea that he might really be ligit when all it really is just a way to get his talon's into his mark better.

Take a look at the description of a "Cluster B Narcissist". It seems to fit him to a T. Once these people take root in something its almost impossible to get rid of them. Best to nip them in the bud.

Symptoms:

Grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
Preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
Believes that they are "special" and unique and can only be understoody by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions).
Requires excessive admiration.
Has a sense of entitlement i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with their expectations.
Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve their own needs.
Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.
Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of them.
Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.
Treatment Considerations:

If you haven't come to grips with the fact that 90% of the internet is indeed a "hive mind" in my opinion that is just naive. (No offense, I think what you are doing is great. See my signature.) Especially in a venue like this where people deal with technology's latest and greatest every day; you have to come to the table with proof that you are a game changer.

If you watch you see a pattern in the "game changing" ideas that rise and fail. The expectation people have for representatives of real businesses and associations to articulate themselves correctly with proper grammar and poise themselves gracefully in the public eye is just a small part of those failures.

Thank you kindly for your opinion, kokjo. I'll assume you voted that UABB is spam.

You hear that, Matthew? Quite coming across as so annoying. Let's see if he listens, kokjo. Thank you, again, for your comments.

I don't think it's a scam, but:

(1) Yes, too many posts that are there just to get the name out.

(2) It appears to be a one-man operation, which is fine, but he acts like it's a multinational conglomerate with 100's of agents working on his behalf.

(3) The photo might be real, but for some reason it looks like a stock photo you'd get from one of those sites that also has customer service people with headsets, and that woman sitting indian-style in front of her laptop with her arms in the air.  If it is a real photo, it seems a bit off to get a professional photo for the forums.  If it's not, that seems suspicious, since it's not clearly an avatar.

(4) For all the talk and even glancing at the website, I still have no idea how exactly they intend to operate or how they expect to protect consumers.

(5) Still waiting for them to ask me to pay X BTC to get a UABB certified logo on my site, and then telling people that you should only trust sites with official UABB certification.

I have a feeling that GPU buying thing was something close to the Russian check cashing scam when the sender ends up footing the bill. 20,000 gpus my foot...

Gulp! Here he goes again, kokjo.

I love this post, Matthew. I do see past your 1AM tone-of-voice. I was, and still am, remotely depressed, enough so to start and comment on most of the comments that will be expressed on this thread.

Very good point, but what I can ascertain is that some in this community have a concern that Matthew at UABB may use any personal information gleaned for nefarious purposes. Valid? I'm not sure. That thought sometimes passes through my head each time I hand my Visa card over the counter at the local 7-11.

http://yoganonymous.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/DrHarreH-300x225.jpg

Thank you kingly for your insight, nmat.

Did you know that a woman has 413.069 erogenous zones located over her entire body? With that said, I'm sorry for starting, yet another, thread on UABB. I just feel that this is a potential great service and would hate to see it go to the wayside. Down the road, I envision it as the utmost service available to the Bitcoin community at large.

Thank you for taking the time to express your opinion and by voting that you're holding back judgement at this time. I will easily reverse my position if I discovered that Matthew at UABB is not what he's out to be--an asset to Bitcoin.

Thank you kindly, Intervex Digital, for this post. In regards to keeping your friends close (purposely excluding the second part of that cliché), the other night I spent over an hour trying to find a connection between two Bitcoin start-ups when I read this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=33275.msg418710#msg418710 I didn't find one but, if I had, I was prepared to go on a 1AM diatribe, outlining what I discovered.

As far as your poker analogy, when played correctly you don't need to see the other players cards to win--you know what they have. On the flip side of the (bit)coin, you don't even need to look at your cards. The reason: Poker is not a card game played with people--it's a people game played with cards. I play poker!

Thank you, again, for your fair input.

I'm going to reserve any further comments toward kokjo on this thread unless they're more constructive. Thank you, again, for your input, kokjo.

My objection wasn't the idea of charging of 'accreditation'.  It was the possibility of charging for this, and then disparaging anyone who refused to pay, in effect creating an internet protection racket.

Please note I threw this out as a hypothetical, I"m not actually accusing you of having an evil master plan.

Hence, this poll/thread. Isn't it past your bedtime?

With his policy of public investigations I wouldn't rule out a protection racket at all.

Any way you could figure out how to charge consumers for this instead? Maybe give the basic rating for free, but charge for details, or provide a sufficiently cheap subscription service with unlimited rating look-ups a month?

This will remove the perception of collusion between you and businesses you accredit, and will provide incentive on you to make sure you give customers good information, since any sort of fraudulent accreditation will hurt your bottom line, and customers knowing it may trust you more.

What's harder--Sowing seeds of discontent or mining Bitcoin? I'm leaning towards the former, because the sowing has to take place hourly, if not minutely, whereas you only have to set up a mining rig once (the analogy works provided you don't upgrade).

Here's what I can't get a grip around. Why, with a great idea like Bitcoin, is there a forum with so much negativism as opposed to a community writing post-to-post in making it a further success?

Thank you kindly, wareen, for your insight.

Woe is upon us if anyone figures out how to convert one of those AI online chat bots into a forum trolling rig, and sets it "mining" on here!

Thank you kindly, BillX, for your input. You did forget to add a YouTube video for our viewing pleasure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oxJf9MXidY

I'm sure there's many business start-ups that's only sole intent is to do exact what you've outlined. I don't believe UABB is one of them. I will easily reverse my position if I'm proven wrong.

Nice comment, nhodges. So, what you're saying is that this community is suffering a colony collapse disorder? Damn you, Monsanto!

Very valid points, kgo. I will honestly agree with you on #3 (stock photo). For my first Bitcoin start-up, I'm going to use the image below:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTY22jECV6wc9NzlorWwzBS0iippKJCH5IVwB_9Te83doCvjtH9

This is part of my main concern over UABB.

One of the attraction of Bitcoin to me is the decentralized nature. Living in a country where a small handful of people get to say what's right and what's wrong, even when most of are screaming the other way, I'm naturally leery of any central agency.

I can't vote for any of the option because they don't fit how I see UABB at this time: A potentially disastrous power grab

Right now Bitcoin is in relative infancy, forming such a body gives it disproportionate power and is attractive to certain egocentric types IMO. Doesn't help when they come all ready with all the typical aggrandizing titles.

If he just stuck to helping people in a personal capacity, maybe it might not come across so dubiously. But right now there isn't enough participants to set up a counter weight to keep such a body in check so the rise of one just doesn't sit comfortable with me.

Of course Michael could very well be really earnest and honorable in his intentions, but very often such organisations turn rotten if there's no oversight or counterchecks. Who is to guarantee that one of the later members in charge of one region or another don't have less than noble ideas? As the phrase goes "who watches the watchers?", absolute power corrupts.

You SOB! How the hell did you know that that's exactly what I had in mind?

http://www.lostinspacerobot.com/images/RobotFamily.jpg

Here you go! Just change the logo.

http://mooreslore.corante.com/archives/images/Payola.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matthew_wright/MWICPS

For some reason when I Google "Matthew N. Wright" I get zilch. There's a matthewnwright Twitter account. And >>>"Matthew Wright" Korea<<< brings up stuff.

He looks kinda genuine to me. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

I just saw this and realized/recalled what's probably the reason why I intuitively frown upon UABB... there's this company called Barracuda. They sell a network firewall/spam filter device which blacklists IP addresses if it's detected sending spam/virus via their undisclosed systems/networks.

And they run this website where you can get your IP whitelisted... if you pay them a yearly fee per IP address ;)

Pretty much like "If you're not accredited with us, you're automatically a spammer/scammer/fraudster/etc"

Thank you kindly, Xephan, for your insight. I believe that any start-up, in regards to Bitcoin, is a power grab. If Matthew didn't start UABB now, someone else would of in the not (is it to or so?) distant future. Should the first Bitcoin eBay type site waited? or the first tattoo (that reminds me, I need to go check her out again--my favorite thread)? or the first restaurant to accept Bitcoin (Damn you Meze Grill! You should of waited till Bitcoin was ready for you. Now look what happened! We have to go into damage control.)? or the first whatever?

http://www.liquidmatrix.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/whoops.gif

The key difference here is that all the other start-ups are not based on passing judgment on everybody else.

Say it ain't so, kgo! This throws a monkey wrench into my scheme. It would of only worked if Matthew N. Wright (and NABB) was a farce. But now that you'll shown me this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matthew_wright/MWICPS I now have to see if I can get a refund from Godaddy for the domain name I will no longer need. I had it all figured out to phish my ass off in this naive Bitcoin community pool. My Romanian partners (or is it the Nigerians?) won't be happy campers when they translate read this.

Great find, kgo!

Thank you kindly, Xephan, for your input. Here's the link to Barracuda http://www.barracudacentral.org/ and a link to a YouTube video   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JscYYHHNpc&feature=related

Thank you again, Xephan. Allow me to ask a hard question and please don't take it personal. Would you kindly show a post or two where Matthew with NABB passed judgement? I'm not being an ass with that question, for I TRULY would love to see it. Thank you, in advance. Bruno (my read first name).

and here's a link to how it looks like an email protection racket :D
http://zacharyozer.blogspot.com/2008/10/worst-engineers-ever.html

Your UABB posts criticize many people's business practices and state that they dont adhere to your UABB guidelines.

look here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=33478.msg418895#msg418895

You also solicited donations to spearhead the investigation into mybitcoins when no one asked you to.

That and you're extremely spammy.

Instead of trying to force UABB into everyones face, if you had let it slowly get adopted, maybe less people would have called it a scam.

That's a trick question since he probably didn't do it in any post. Neither am I, nor the other member who brought up a similar concern, saying he's passing judgment in the forum.

But this http://uabb.org/accreditation.php shows that his "business" model basically sets themselves up as an agency that judges others as "secure", "honest" and "ethical". By implications, if you're not accredited with UABB, you're "unsecured" and/or "dishonest" and/or "unethical".

Very interested read (yes, I read the entire posts and comments)! I'd welcome anything else you have to offer. Thank you, Xephan.

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Sounds like you have 10 managers and nobody to manage! I hope you're paying the going rate for these grandiose titles, say $500k a year for executive management. You are actually paying people, right? (I mean today, not in X years time)

Here on the Internet we have the most respect for organizations that operate as meritocracies and laugh at hierarchical management structures with nothing holding them up.

Can you show that you're not the gobshite that you appear to be?

Holding options open.

I guess Matthew wants to do something for the community (and maybe lost quite a bit with MyBitcoin) and this is what he came up with, being a bit inexperienced with this type of communities (he said somewhere that he found it chaotic) he does things that are considered inappropriate and his idea being unwanted (community feels attack on its freedom).

I guess he is a business guy or manager. Most people here have different ways of thinking (not in a negative way, just different and that causes conflicts).

Or, I'm totally wrong. I base my trust on actions, not on talk.

I'll assume you're directly your comment toward Matthew with UABB and not the OP (me, Phinnaeus Gage, Bruno, or whatever my name is this week).

I just read the post you provided: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=33478.msg418895#msg418895 Maybe hypercritical, maybe not. Either way, the advise he provided sounded sound to me. Spearheading donations could of been a no-no. I missed that post. No need to provide it for I'll take your word on it that he did unless shown otherwise. A slower adaptation could have been a wiser choice.

I want to thank you too, kookiekrak for your comments and insight.

Once again I question your reliability given your constant responses to nonsense. If you are doing what you say you are doing then you don't have time for this type of bullshit and would ignore it and get on with the tons of work you claim to have ahead of you.

Seriously prove us all wrong...

ONE SHOULD NOT PAT ONE'S SELF ON ONE'S BACK. GET BACK TO WORK DUDE!

He does come across like a PR/business guy with the title dropping. Sounds like the MLM folks I've seen before... "As a Gold level leader, I assure you...". Well, we have said quite a few things so let's see how he responses to them in action, or not.

I didn't intend on asking a trick question. Nonetheless, if this is true, "By implications, if you're not accredited with UABB, you're "unsecured" and/or "dishonest" and/or "unethical".", (now where the hell do I put the comma?),,,,I won't want any of my Bitcoin related sites affected because their not accredited. With that said: http://www.newbusiness.co.uk/articles/business-continuity/getting-accredited-has-huge-advantages-businesses Hypothetical: What if there were three major alpaca sock websites that accept Bitcoin, and only one was accredited. Would the other two not get any traffic or sales due to UABB? Walk me through how that would, or would not, work. (I sure the hell hope I didn't accidentally ask another trick question)

Boy, I can't wait till Matthew wakes up and tries to prove he's not a gobshite.

Thank you kindly, bitplane, for your input.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT1gf358g1V0L2XAJfm3Vx86zzav_ViVKZMiyDeMsD12O7EbjlNLA

Add an option to the poll for "Self Important Fuckwit"

Thank you for your honest opinion, BioMike.

Fair enough, smoothie. Thank you kindly for the comment.

That reminds, me. I need to order more Drain-O from Amway.

http://www.freshwatersystems.com/images/Product/medium/6254.jpg

I love this forum! Thank you, Gilgamesh, for provide an additional option. It's available now. Remember, your vote counts.

http://www.rudegift.co.uk/images/large/mugs_rudegift_world/worlds-biggest-fuckwit_LRG.jpg

I'm not a business or marketing major so what I say, may not be the accepted theories. However, from observations in my area, the significance of accreditation depends on the nature/value of the transaction, familiarity with the type of transaction, existing perception/climate,  market size/penetration level.

Value/nature of the transaction is straightforward, if alpaca socks are relatively cheap, people are probably not going to care about accreditation as much. Quite different if we're talking about houses.


Familiarity is another factor and bitcoin-based business is very new. This is similar to the early days of eCommerce when people are hesitant about buying things online. My country started an eCommerce accreditation in those days and it made a difference. I get customers/users then who asked about getting it or whether it's safe to buy from sites that aren't accredited. Nowadays, it's so common, nobody even cares about the accreditation, it was even funny when I saw the accreditation logo on a major local site going "Your accreditation has expired" and they didn't even care to remove/update it for months.

Existing climate or perception is related to familiarity because essentially familiarity means comfort and certainty. If users are uncertain or fearful, like currently due to the series of mishaps, it's easier for an accreditation to look more impressive and influential. After all, who here would really care if somebody starts a "Pizza Accreditation" organisation? It's nothing that most of us would view as a risky buy nor is there a climate of uncertainty about the edibility of pizzas in general, hence the disengagement.


Market size and penetration also works on the psychological level. When there are, relatively, a small number of "established" businesses, just a few getting accredited will look like a significant number. In the alpaca socks scenario, 1 out of 3 is 33%, significant but maybe the absolute number of 1 wouldn't quite have the same effect of say 10 out of 30. But as the market size increases, the same level of penetration becomes less significant simply because users usually can't be bothered to check out every single option. If they find 100 alpaca socks sellers without accreditation and 30 with, they are most likely going to dismiss the accreditation as something extra they don't care about, especially if they need to pay more.

All that together is why I feel at the current stage of bitcoin development, a single body aspiring to do what the UABB is doing would gather too much influence too quickly. Especially when the market isn't large enough to support another accreditation body to act as a counter check. The structure of the organisation is also worrying since it reflects the mentality and ambitions of the person behind it.

don't know him, but his posts are very similar to a confidence trickster.

some things that have bothered me:
trying to launch a brand, anyone with a business brain knows you don't launch incomplete products and services.
trying to do too many "large" scale projects at once, no one can successfully launch multiple different businesses at the same time.
everything seems to have an alternate motive.
no idea how big business is done.. (ie. purchasing 100+ gpus.. you go to the source and make the manufacturers tender for your business).
to eager to list accomplishments.
has no idea how the legal system works, case in point would be mybitcoin investigation.
wants to be the official bitcoin spokesperson and representative.

If he has the resources, why does he do all the work ? and why are the websites incomplete?

Oh and lastly.. why doesn't he just spend us$10 million.. im sure he has way more.. buy out mtgox.com, tradehill.com and purchase the rights for bitcoin.org ... Or better yet, buy the trademark and IP of bitcoin, and sue everyone.

Damn valid point! (not tongue-in-cheek) Thank you for this excellent insight.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=33630.msg424469#msg424469

oh shit he's bitmole? that explains some of it...


kid acted like a 13 year old in this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=28004.0

no wonder no one likes him.

edit: evidence of douchery
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=28004.msg355566#msg355566
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=28004.msg356303#msg356303
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=28004.msg356483#msg356483

Here's him asking for donations to fund the investigation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=26224.msg421382#msg421382


Here's him backtracking and claiming that they don't ask for donations: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=33761.msg423776#msg423776



Heres where he claims that they'll never request donations unless needed because they can pay expenses on their own. Except he solicited donations earlier without any expenses yet...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=26224.msg423078#msg423078


mybad for the quote spam.

If you were trying to change my opinion on this matter with this post, you're doing a fine good job. The only problem I've read was the launching prematurely aspect that bothered you. Granted, it could have been further along, but a website doesn't have to be 100% perfect before launch. I'll let Matthew address your other points.

I want to thank you, xcooling, for your fine comments.

Thank you for this post and the previous post (#74). Noted.

I like the concept of certification businesses, and I think if someone's looking for assurances outside of some governmental monopoly system, that's a good option.  

Xephan made some very cogent points.  I'd like to add that I would definitely envision certified and non-certified products side by side.  In some cases, I'd be willing to spend the little bit extra, particularly for something risky, like for instance pills or other ingestibles.  If a certification business is to succeed, however, it must provide consistent assurances.  This means the metric used to measure a given company's performance is critical.  This is were many governmental certification schemes have failed.  Case in point American health departments.

So far, I'm leaning towards dislike of UABB.  I read a post from Matthew to the effect of "don't worry about the mybitcoin thing, we're looking into it."  That's both insulting and foolish in my view.  You want your customers to use their judgement, and decide that your conclusions are congruous with their own.  

if you refer to when he was using the account bitmole, he had less than 1btc in his wallet. no idea where he managed to get the 10 million to solicit buying agents etc.

Thank you kindly for your valuable input, AllYourBase. Noted!

WOW! Thank you, I never read that before. He is a douche! Nothing but apologies and excuses as to why couldnt pay someone 1 measly little bitcoin for artwork. This just reaffirms my original gut feeling that he is a walking, talking pile of pig droppings.

bad for bitcoin

what is UABB?

edit:
http://uabb.org/
The UABB is dedicated to building a more trustworthy Bitcoin marketplace through maintaining standards for truthful advertising, investigating and exposing fraud against consumers and businesses and providing information to consumers before they purchase products and services with Bitcoin.

my response, don't read it if you dont care for my opinion, as it may be rather crude.

the uabb has no trust, and anyone who thinks they can trust any central authority with YOUR money needs their head examined. everyone is quick to set up centralization for bitcoin, but NOBODY has given a single thought to making secure devices (they simply export signed transactions) for bitcoin. i ask WHY the fuck should we trust these guys. where the hell do they get their authority to set this up.

in short i advise everyone to store their coins on their flash drives (please use at least 3 drives if you have a lot of coins). please also store at least 1 in a safe deposit box at your local bank. ENCRYPT the usb key at the bank because they can still be drilled. http://www.truecrypt.org/ is a good thing to use for this purpose.

This is the exact reason why we should not be allowed to change our member names.

Welcome to Bitcoin, ctoon6. Here is the link to UABB: http://uabb.org/ Also, get yourself up to speed by searching this forum.

Ahahahahahalololololololhehehehehehe

So much for that business venture.

Can I change my vote in the poll?

I disagree - by him changing his name, you can still search his post history and by seeing posts quoted as BitMole and responded to by his new username, you know for certain that he is the same guy (or at least the same account).

The only alternative is him starting a new account, and then I'd wager that without some really really observant forum admins, no one would have had any idea who he was.

The alternative is way worse than people changing their forum usernames.

Also, that avatar makes those old arguments ten times funnier.

Is it still 1AM in Korea? If not, how many more of these type of posts do I have to amend for you?

Considering I publicly announced the changed on my own threads, it was obviously done for added transparency. Also, changing your name doesn't remove your previous posts. so what's the problem?

Remember to use:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBkw_21hndIvGBpVXGu4--YX0oiS6vKvNGEnRpYqJonceQoZ2wtw

i also want to point out this website is very hypocritical.


you are advertise you are truthful yet  you have made no acceptable claim you can be trusted. fix it.

I believe I have the poll set where you can change your vote. If not, I'll do it manually for you. To double check, you want it changed from a no to a yes? Thank you kindly, RandyFolds, for your comment.

Boy, you get up to speed fast. Remind me not to jacko pee in your Cheerios. Thank you for your comments, ctoon6.

sometimes i post faster than i should. although i do try to get to the source as fast as possible with a great understanding of both sides of the story. i have yet to see any other side posted. also the when searching for uabb, it links to some myspace bs. another reason not to trust it, they didnt even bother to raise the search rank, or its just very new, and again would have no trust or credibility built up.

Hey, everyone! Look what I found (or not found) over at UABCI: http://uabci.org/ This website is currently down for relocation. Where is it being relocated to? Who's doing the relocation? Who's helping with the relocation? Is this a red herring, to throw off the wolves, and there's really no relocation? And, if this is truly a relocation, how is it...wait for it...being financed? Stolen bitcoins?

Matthew, You Have Some (more) Splainin' to Do!

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/130/009_220-144~I-Love-Lucy-Posters.jpg

all i ask for is proof that you or the UABB can be trusted. you provide none, and the other "businesses" in this sector have proven they also can not be trusted, why are you different. why would i want to brand my name with yours. if it did turn out that the UABB could not be trusted, i would forever tarnish my name, why would i risk that.

I was a '?' to give UABB the benefit of the doubt, but I would change her to 'Self-Important Fuckwit' upon recent revelations.

When I first Google search for anything new in regards to Bitcoin, I add the keyword Bitcoin to what I'm searching for. When I first did this with "UABB Bitcoin" (without the quotation marks), like magic it was the very first link.

All I can say is that the BBB is a dirty racket though it didn't start out that way; I don't see why it would pan out any different for Bitcoin.

I think I nailed it! It's your image! Go with this (most here won't recognize Red Skelton):

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRdO59OHXNyB53Wx71zXLzODUVfcH0IEa2vfZ7ZRvqqmOs-GQEO

Since the BBB is already in existence i will compare UABB to it.

if i buy something from a BBB accredited business, and i genuinely get ripped off, they can still keep their money and i would still be at a loss. the BBB and this is only additional bloat we don't need.

Remember, I'm the OP (Phinnaeus Gage--not my real name) and that you're asking Matthew with UABB this question. I don't want my name (even if it's a fake one) tarnished if by chance I'm on the wrong side of this issue. I do feel you have some valid points.

http://www.electronic-battle-weapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Nothing-Worse-Than-A-Bad-Rap.jpg

This was to easy. I wrote the "no to a yes" comment to see if you would clarify your position, which you did. Also, don't believe what I said about being able to change the vote on my end, for I can't. I'm pretty sure, though, that I do have the poll set up so that you can change your vote. I did go and tried to edit the poll to make sure, but that option was not available, so I'm honestly guessing. Thank you for your honest opinion, RandyFolds.

If i don't brand myself with UABB the worst that happens is that people with common sense would see that i do have only positive feedback even though i only do small trades. if i were a real business, which i guess this is targeted to, i would never want to associate myself with someone who pretty much half the community thinks is a fraud, even if this were not true. if i stay independent only i affect my rep. why would i brand myself with some random business that thinks they have authority and trust, and it turned out they were just looking for a quick buck and accept anyone to be "accredited".

Make what the accreditation requirements be up to the public.  Take polls.  Etc.  The idea itself isn't bad, the portion of it being part of a private group is what makes it just not work in my eyes.

Also, even mentioning the BBB, oh man, that is just giving me bad feelings all over about having any groups trying to give stamps as to what is okay or not.

I am offering no solutions to the problems, but I just do not feel the UABB is one.

Do you see any way that the UABB business model can be tweaked to better serve the Bitcoin community?

That's what I'm talking about when I asked for tweaking of the business model! All humor aside, although the pic's funny:

The BTC Acme Catalog would like to become accredited with UABB. As always, the polls open at noon and will close in 24 hours. Let your vote decide if this is a viable company and should be allowed to carry the UABB logo (stamp of approval) on its website.

http://darlaprickett.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/acme-anvil.jpg

Not with the present leader/owner.

Frankly the only way I see it working would be a parallel client/blockchain whereby payors validate that transactions from payees were satisfactory. A huge undertaking, but theoretically possible.

So do you run UABB like the BBB runs their company?

1. customer complains about your company to BBB
2. BBB gets you to pay them $$$ to remove the complaint

all BBB accreditation tells me about a company is that they can afford to keep paying off the BBB to hide the complaints.

There are ways to tweak and adjust the model to work better. But I'm not going to put them out here to help a rather, IMO, dubious character improve his chances of getting a potential racket off the ground.

BOBS - Bunch of Bullshit   

LOL

Yes, to close shop and let another company fill the void (if there is one) that the "UABB" left.

A lousy accreditation that does absolutely nothing to deter accredited organisations is worse than no accreditation body.

The presence of an accreditation makes naive consumers think an organisation/business might be better than another. But the fact is most of these accreditation and certifications are just to make money for the accreditation body.

One of the shopping malls in my country gotten a bad rep for certain dubious shops for a few years. So they started this internal accreditation in hope of promoting better service and business practises. Initially this work, then all the bad shops got the idea and put on an act to get the badge. Then it's back to the usual routine.

Nevermind some unknown accreditation, let's just talk about international certifications like the ISO certifications. It also aims to provide standards for businesses to follow and such. But all it really does is create more paperwork and pay the ISO certification body. Most of small to medium companies I've seen that struggle to get the certification done in order to gain a halo of superiority over competitors simply ignore the standards/requirements except on paper after they get certified. iSome just scramble to get the paperwork in order before an audit.

I'm not looking for any proof.  I certainly never claimed that it was true that Mr. MBC and Mr. UABB guy are the same person...just that it would be amusing if so...particularly if he got some chumps to offer financial assistance for his 'spearhead'.

I very much doubt the hypothesis that I stated...or actually, that I didn't state.  Mr. MBC was clearly a pretty capable guy.  Mr UABB seems to me like the clown of the earth.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I doubt any of these organisations started out intending to be despicable. But humans are humans.



Right, so now you expect organisations to open up holes for you to survey and monitor internal processes through automated tools?


By having the option there, it's a psychological nudge.

Apart from that, like I said, Bitcoin is still too much in its infancy to allow a single authority on who's trustworthy and who isn't. Nor should it ever be the case that a monopoly (or even a duo/oligopoly) on that be established. Especially when there are so many examples of how feedback systems can be abused on Paypal and eBay, and on forums by people creating accounts and bouncing transactions/feedback to build up credibility before scamming.

Last but not least, you are not very confidence-inspiring given your conduct so far.

The amount of effort you take to defend yourself is bordering on insane...

There is like 5 threads bashing you...  you have 50 percent of the postings in each...

just sayin

Matthew N. Wright, I have lost 0 on mybitcoin.com, since I have never used it other than to open an account.
Despite that, what would it take ($$$) for you to re-open/continue your investigation?

It is insane and he needs help from a mental health provider.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

    Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
    Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
    Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
    Requires excessive admiration
    Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
    Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
    Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
    Is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
    Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Some kind of system is needed yes, but IMO it's not what you've drawn up, nor at this point in time. While the instinct is to panic and start calling the police to patrol the neighbourhood, it's better in the long run to let the tech folks learn from the fiasco, put in the technical measures to improve the system, letting the economy grow into something more sizable and sustainable before letting a few auditing organisations into the picture.

ONE single over-sight/audit/accreditation body/system/organisation is worse than none.

THis is my first visit to this thread...the poll response I would have wanted to click would have been:

"It sounds like a good idea but I am not convinced that the person proposing to start it is qualified to operate and manage such a thing or knows what he is really getting into."

And while it's all dandy that the 1 BTC artwork issue is resolved, I'm not quite sure that Mr. Wright would make a very skilled arbitrator based on how that all went.  That's part of what the BBB does.  (I assume this is modeled after BBB, particularly given the similarity in logo).  And the assertion that he can chase down MyBitcoin doesn't strike me as credible.

Great if I'm wrong though - I'd also be likely to take a chance on it as well, knowing that my identity is pretty much in the open and I'm not really out much if it flops.

Like others have mentioned repeatedly, prove it with actions. Every time you "open your mouth" here, you just make me (and likely others) less willing to trust you.

And please do it in your personal capacity, not create some grandiose organisation. When the bitcoin economy is large enough to need, use and sustain a proper auditing organisation, the community as a whole, inline with the spirit of Bitcoin, would know who are the people who should be nominated into such an organisation.

Of course if you aren't one of them, then it would be a good time to restart UABB so you can act as the countercheck ;)

It seems to me that the entities people are most concerned about are the exchanges and the online wallet services and obtaining financial services licences in their jurisdictions would do more to bind those services to a standard of conduct than any paid for endorsement by a newly established consumer group.  Short of expecting the exchanges and wallet services to hand over their accounting records, there's no way that UABB could legitimately verify their conduct as being totally above board - and no financial service provider in their right mind is going to hand over those records for a currently meaningless tick of approval.

That really leaves merchants as the ones who might be willing to pay for some kind of accreditation - if they believe that the fee they'll be paying for that accreditation will be more than offset by increased revenue and profit.  As those merchants are located all over the planet, it will be interesting to see what kind of accreditation process is planned and how it's going to be implemented across many different locations.

Besides the obvious tell tale signs that this guy is full of shit.

1) the constant need to defend himself
2) the pure ignorance to see that he's the primary cause of his own demise through above behavior, not the "trolls"
3) using terms like "lollerskates" "kthnxbye" and other teenager internet talk
4) not having any sense of professionalism
5) the wikipedia page reference links surrounding his school he "owned" not actually existing
6) constantly berating and insulting the community he's trying to win over
7) list goes on and on
8) conversing about life stories with an idiot 17 year old named atlas (might be atlas)

It's safe to say that he probably has no prior knowledge to anything business related other than maybe a class or two at some community college, and that would even be a surprise because i really can't fathom this kid is older than 17. I doubt he has anyone working for him, as there is no proof other than a sloppily made website that reads like once again, a teenager created it. In all honesty it's probably some kid at home who wanted to be involved or embraced by a cool new thing and made up a bunch of shit. I would be absolutely floored if any of what he claimed was true, as i have never met such a naive and childish person that is an owner of anything beyond a lemonade stand.

If i'm somehow wrong about any of this, you need a class in PR. I don't think mcdonalds got where they are today by insulting their consumer base and having the CEO arguing with people on forums.

You seriously don't see why people don't take you seriously?

Seriously?

By the way, who are you working with to implement all this framework? What exactly is your business model? What type of software will you be using to streamline all of this? The automatic complaint/fraud system you've been touting, how does it work? Why should any business associate themselves with you? The thought is ridiculous.

What does your staff do? where are you getting the money to pay an executive staff? Why doesn't your school exist, furthermore why isn't there any proof of it existing? There is absolutely nothing about you to be found anywhere related to any business ventures. The facts just point to you being full of shit, which is probably why everyone is saying that. You aren't as clever as you think, it's not everyone else. it's you.

There are so many questions that you have been asked numerous times, but you sidestep them and give this over generalized answer to everything. Not a single fact has been presented.

BitMole. Hahaha

i have an idea, lets ignore him and pretend he does not exist. why should we give him acknowledgement if all he does is go around bsing that he can be trusted, yet provides no proof that he can be.

You can't stop from defending yourself, how many times have you said you're going to step away only to be lured back into a conversation now? Seems very anti-business to not have any sort of common sense to cut your loses and stop hemorrhaging idiocy.

Since you're still here, by all means link some of your school stuff, i can translate! Also where is this money coming from for any start up costs, and the supposed money you spent on your half hour investigation of the mybitcoin owner? Why are executives working for free? What are their backgrounds? What school did you attend? What is your experience with law enforcement you keep mentioning? Were you some sort of school owner/badass drug trafficking cop crossover?

If they found you funny, someone would have bought you a SomethingAwful account by now.

So you registered in what, 2007ish?

If I read your original proposal correctly, using your escrow service would've been optional for the customers but businesses would be required to accept payments through it from customers that want to use it. Is that correct?

Sorry about this Matt. I think I'm the one who provided Bill the NPD info.

I just tried to include this as an option, but the polling platform won't allow me to because it's longer than 140 characters just like a Twitter tweet.

Correct me if I'm wrong ~~~ The two main issues with M.N.W. and UABB is his personality and the accreditation aspect. So, if someone else came along a few days ago (and was rather new to this forum) and boasted about this same exact website that he created (without the accreditation aspect), we would all be having daily circle jerks while holding holding each other's hands (not impossible when you think about it--that's why the MODs keep the trolls around--Masterb***** On Demand).

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSjwAyZNyLJGPpzk_s6xbUu6NhXadr_caXRTXgEvEy_q9tZCJa2VQ

I still think UABB should collect accreditation data from businesses free to the businesses, and charge only those who want to see it. Sure, consumers may not want to pay something like the BBB just to see if the company they are buying from is legit (though if price is low enough, I'm sure some will), but most transactions out there are business-to-business, and I'm sure businesses looking for new suppliers will gladly pay for a review from a ratings agency for a supplier if they want to make sure the business they are dealing with is legit, financially secure, and will deliver products on time.

Lulz. Pretty sure Matthew is a bigger troll than all of us. Look at him dominating that post count.

Phinneas- the problem I have with Wright is that none- not a single one of his claims are verifiable.  He has a school that has literally no presence on the internet, with no alumni.  He claims that the semi-functioning webpage for his school is a 'personal backup.'

He claims to have 30 members of his organization, but none of them have said anything on any Bitcoin-related message board that I can see.  Perhaps they all want to remain anonymous?

He claims to be a member of a handful of different organizations (UABCI, something in Italy), that I have never heard about other than in his posts- have you?  Where do you think these mysterious organizations recruited, if not on a forum such as this?  None of these organizations have a website either.

Lastly: he's claiming that, based on the strength of a webpage and not much else, he's managed to convince people to abandon their countries and move to South Korea for no pay.  Are they supposed to magically receive work visas?  Do none of them have families, jobs, or commitments?  Off the strength of his comments on this forum, and his complete lack of a business plan, do you honestly think he could recruit people to move across the world and join him?
 
Sorry, but this just doesn't pass the smell test.

You points are well taken, tasarz. I have been wrong before! BTW, does anyone know what ever happened to OJ?

See the screenshot of a post this scammer/con artist "Matthew N Wright" made. He is asking for people to send him video cards for his other company after which he will pay them in BTC. Now, we all know from before he doesn't honor his commitments (1 little bitcoin wtf?!?!?) and tries to weasel out of it when pressed. Do you really think he's going to pay these people for their efforts or just pocket the money after he sells them on Ebay (or uses them for mining). This whole UABB bs of his is just to create the image of "What a great guy he is. He's got a couple of faults right but who doesnt. I think I can trust him.".

Classic manipulation. 

Classic scam.

Classic con artist.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7219346/Screenshot-6.png

OK! Here's where I stand. When I started this thread, I saw, in my mind's eye, a new Bitcoin related service being kicked around like there's no tomorrow. I didn't have all the facts, of which I have now been provided, thanks to the kind contributors of this thread (and elsewhere). Maybe, if something like https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34399.0 was available, I wouldn't have chimed in so quickly. I offer no apologies, and will not diss Matt over at UABB (for it's not my nature). But, I do want to thank you all, once again, for providing me relative information and, moreover, not dissing me, with the exception of this one SOB who I'm goin' to tear him new a**hole (only kidding).

At this point I have not seen anything that suggests to me that this UABB thing is anything more than a pipe dream at this stage. The part I don't get is why people seem to care so much about discrediting this Wright guy by trying to find flaws in his purported life story. Why give him the attention he seems to crave? Likely as not the "project" will just fizzle out on its own. Even if people like the idea otherwise, Wright's public relations skills are so unprofessional it's not even funny.

If it was just a pipe dream, it might be OK.

But there are signs that he might be one of those MLM style con artist (title dropping, inflated credentials, verbose/flowery speech), better to make everybody aware than for him to gather a following and therefore influence to cause damage.

I mean there are lots of people who are trying to start things related to Bitcoin, there's got to be some reason why we aren't tearing into those ;)


But if Michael hankers down, do the real work and shows actual results instead of just talk, without trying to center power on himself or his organisation, I'll be man enough to post publicly and say I was mistaken about him and he's done a good thing.

I'll back those conditions too. But I wouldn't bet any money on it at this point in the game.

Oh you cynic...

Same here :D

There ya go! Let's start BitCynicsR.Us, we'll make millions I tell ya! lol

Each of us can only do his own research and in the end make up his own mind about Matt's efforts. Matt definitely is a boiling pot of boundless energy, optimism and seems to care about Bitcoin. My opinion is that he does have sincerity on some level and a grand unfocused vision in which "details" get in the way (or he's BAT SHIT CRAZY, I can't tell).

Sometimes those "details" are things like having money in the bank before promising it -- putting the cart before the horse. Sometimes those details are things like telling the entire community you WILL fly to West Indies to take care of the MyBitcoin issue, then pulling back to say you're offering to do so for donations, then sliding further back to say you won't do it at all. I don't think its nefarious but such details have a bad way of biting you in the ass. It's hard, and goodness knows I fail at this one enough, but think before you speak.

I'm sorta rooting for him to come through since it looks like he's in personal turmoil. We all have multiple parts to our personalities; we're not JUST a plumber but maybe we also create stained glass pieces at night; we're not JUST a lawyer but also participate in a Rugby league on weekends. But Matt's like a Freudian id geyser, spraying unfocused creativity all over the place; between U.S. and Korea, starting schools, running a 20,000+ GPU farm, joining police forces, living the YouTube rock star lifestyle (his YouTube account is found easily enough), herding Bitcoin cats via the UBB, being an artist, filmmaker, his YouTube / Facebook / Twitter accounts and whatever the other 900 projects are. Somehow he doesn't look more than 22. If he manages to channel all of this into one or 2 finished projects it could well be of benefit, and he does seem determined, though I think his plans could be too scattered to get to the finish line.

Time will tell. I see 2 paths ahead: he either learns to tone down the arrogance and channel the energy into some interesting finalized projects; or he continues to spiral off into insanity with 1000 projects that never come to fruition because the "unwashed masses" are so ignorant. This may just be a matter of him needing to grow up a little.

My advice to Matt is:
1) You're obviously intelligent and learning new things comes easier to you than it does to many others. You struggle with this gift because others mostly don't possess it -- and that just irritates the hell out of you. This gift is a double-edged sword. You squander it by looking down on those who don't have it. Ease off on your arrogance. You're smart but there is always someone in the world smarter and/or more talented than you. Until you do learn to temper your ego, look into finding a marketing person to be the "voice" of your organizations.
2) Like every good writer knows: show, don't tell. Don't tell us all the wonderful things you're going to do for Korea, for Bitcoin, for the world; it makes you sound manic. Instead go focus quietly on those goals. When you achieve them, then come shout it to the world. You'll receive all the glory and praise you crave.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1UpYFlfWGJo/THEsLwrnrHI/AAAAAAAAEHA/ZguOYc45q2U/s400/LI+3.png

My cousin wouldn't use it...the fun of the manic phase outweighed the misery of the depressive phase to him.  He died in the street a few years ago.

Well, to his credit at least he seems to have gotten rid of that unfathomably douchey avatar photo.

Wow. Just... wow.

I'm not sure how that shows he's a fraud, if anything it seems pretty consistent with the story he's told here unless I've missed something.

There were posts like this one that I'd first read on this forum that made me fall deeper in love with Bitcoin (and yes, I'll sleep on the wet spot). In fact, if you look at one of my early posts, you find that I've commented such. It was after further reading that I fell into the "forum trap" if there is such an animal. I started seeing things that weren't there; I had to refrain myself to not criticize others (not my nature in RL); I needed to be careful of not disclosing my ideas--not out of fear for them to be stolen, though that's a small part of it, but because I could of easily fallen into the (name withheld)'s trap. I feel I'm an idea man also, having hundreds of Bitcoin ideas, but knowing damn well that I can't develop them all. Some ideas may be bad because I didn't think of all the ramifications; most so-so, just need tweaking and/or a certain technical aspect that I'm not versed in; and a small fraction could be considered gems. It's the gems I want to share with the Bitcoin community, and this forum is my best option to share them. I would do this not for the money or fame, but I may tap myself on the chest and proudly declare, "That was my idea." Then move on to the next project.

Back to this post. KeyserSoze seems to offer up some sound advise for... As for me, if I read something that Matthew posts and I can expound upon, I will.

Every community, whether in RL or online, has its share of (insert adjective, then noun here).  There's no argument that this community is any different. I feel proud to be part of it. In a relatively short period of time, I became a Sr. Member (it must of happened during the manning of this thread). In the not to distant future, I'll be a Hero Member. Not that that means anything to me, but somewhere down the road a newbie or Jr. Member (or any member) may need some form of help, and I may be one of those that aids him/her. It helps that if they glance over and see what authority I have to address their concern, they'll be more comfortable with the response. And I'm not saying that I want my response to be the final word. With that said, I also want to be called out if I'm wrong, with the one doing the calling knowing that I (Bruno) will not bark back (I feel this sentence needs editing, but you get the gist, hence the unedited version).

Now to share with you one of my Bitcoin ideas. It involves a:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWB6c1i20f3OMVlcw-HjTGgs7dYz1qo7Y_4Pgbs0e4UMgFU2Aw

First off, why did you take down your avatar? Surely you didn't bow down due to the rhetoric on this forum. I just read your credentials provided by Taxlow. I want to state that you are at least a hundred times smarter than I am, regardless of where your degrees came from. As you've probably read, and put the pieces together, I was defending the attack on you and, moreover, your start-up--UABB. I was reading so many other attacks on this forum, as well as the name calling (poor trolls), that I guess I reached my tipping point and decided to take a stand. UABB just happened to be the flavor of the hour then, hence the posting of the this thread and poll. Not in my wildest dreams did I think it would be this long. But in a sense, I'm glad it is. I've learned a hell of lot during the course of this thread (and I'm not talking about what I've learned in regards to you) and, from what you've written here and on other threads, so have you.

So, here's where I stand. If I can offer up any help to your endeavor(s) that are for the betterment of Bitcoin, I would do it in a heartbeat. If you F up on a personal level, you won't hear a peep out of me stating such. If you F up to point of Bitcoin being involved, I'm screaming from the highest South Korean peak, provided you help me get a passport. Give me a holler if you feel I can help you. And maybe, just maybe, heed some of the advice offered up by the members here. True, some are jerks, but the ones that aren't--WOW! They're there for you, me and the Bitcoin community as a whole.

Just read the first sentence and starting laughing for I thought I was going to read "It's ironic-- I put up the avatar to be more transparent, now everybody wants me to put it back up." Going back now to read the full post.

[Edited]

Thank you kindly for the further insight of yourself. I truly appreciate the following:

http://www.edustem.com/mwright.kr/presidents_welcome.php

Love your school's website - Lots of seals on there, like the US Department of Education and a bunch of accreditation groups, each with an asterisk next to them and some fine print saying you aren't accredited by them.

I hope the Korean government catches on to your "school" and "other business ventures" and either jails or deports you, you scammy fuck.

Hey, Matt. I would have put a link to where to donate after you wrote this:


I'm one who likes to take humor a tad further.

I don't understand, are you saying that the people who got your vanity page deleted from Wikipedia were Internet trolls, or that the people who wrote the page were trolls?

IMO your ideas are too centralized and look too much like grabs for power and fame, specially with all the fancy sounding titles and faux corporate management-speak. Decentralized, open, all-inclusive systems with no bullshit would be far more trustworthy, but wouldn't offer any personal gain.

Too bad you lacked certain expertise in verifying that the university you were attending held proper accreditation.

That's not at all what we said, we were pointing out that your UABB and school looked like fraudulent institutions, and that people shouldn't trust you.

The Bitcoin community should thank us for taking a step back from our occasional joking or sarcastic posting to help the other members see what a scumbag you are.

Sounds like your expertise is in "scamming foreigners" and "barely dodging violations of immigration law"

Would anyone care to summarize what has happened in the last 9 pages, and what UABB is?

Awww, babby is doing damage control now that he has been outed.

he currently claims he works for the police to help them find people with fake degrees, after he got caught:



Here it is folks: Matthew N. Wright, scammer turned narc (but still a scammer)


If his current story is even true.

Every time you respond, you dig yourself into a deeper hole. This is hilarious.

Speaking of dirt. I don't think this needs any explanation at all. Make your own judgments ladies and gentleman.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7219346/Screenshot-8.png

UABB would have been a better idea if an organization that was meant to help clear up scamming in the Bitcoin ecosystem wasn't run by a reprehensible scammer, hope this helps.

I entitled this thread UABB is a... as a lead-in to the poll that starts this thread. It may be a good read if someone took up your suggestion: What is UABB. My hope is that it would include the good, as well as the bad, and throw in the indifferent for good measure.

Thank you kindly, Tasty, for your contribution to this thread.

ROFLMAO, because the friend I mention in this post has no idea that now he's being made fun of on the internet. Nice shot, BillX.

Maybe I should take down my YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4OzXjOKi9Q

I'm the guy in the front. That IS a girl in the back. Don't ask!

That guy appears to be having a seizure and the girl in the back with down syndrome cant stop laughing

Such a sad illness

Have we met in person before?

Remember her?

http://www.gonemovies.com/www/Drama/Drama/OneFlewRatched2.jpg

Oh my god! The only thing wrong with that movie is he didn't kill her.

UABB is grandiose idea of an international accreditation body, by a possibly well-meaning but thus far unconvincing person, which may be a potential power grab due to its centralized nature, and timing of establishment in the nascent stage of the decentralized Bitcoin economy.

Now that's what I call a summary!
Thanks Xephon. :)

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/155789/814804.jpg

Hey Matt. The owner of mybitcoin.com has shown up. You can call off the "investigation" now.

What are you talking about? Matt is the one who forced Tom to post the receivership notice on MyBitcoin.com. Matt, in a Fedora and London Fog jacket, flew to Nevis and camped a PO Box, surviving on BitMunchies.com until Tom attempted to sneak in and grab all the KMart junk mail flyers. It was really a very simple case to crack.

FTW.

I think that novel was written by Sir Satoshi Conan Doyle.

Must be the whole in your head. It'll mess with your mind. 8^)

bawahaahaaaa,

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.edustem.com/mwright.kr/presidents_welcome.php

I like the asterisk next to every accreditation stating that the school isn't actually accredited - they only use accredited materials. This guy is a massive fraud - even if the school is no longer open (I wonder why he closed it!).

That reminds me, do you regret being willing to take down the thread about how Matt (a.k.a BitMole) tried to weasel out of paying you for work done now?

I'm still trying to wrap my head around a home schooled guy setting up a private school using public school education materials... Though he is from Louisville KY. My condolences on that part btw.

LOL!

If I were black and gay, would you still pick on me?

What's funny about this image is that my real name is Bruno (no joke).

http://www.fr2day.com/images/page_image/bruno-sacha-baron-cohen_black_baby_gay_oj.jpg

(enjoyed the ribbing)

Seen it. Read it. Waiting for the parody on it! Any takers?

Too easy.

This may sound a bit convoluted however, while I believe it is resoundingly beneficial for most everyone that the threads not be removed, I do not regret being willing to take down that thread because I was honoring a resolution to our disagreement. If you read closely you'll see each time I mention it I pretty much say the same thing: it was his request and I agreed out of respect for our resolution. I knew what he was doing.

If you read the threads (and actually managed to care about 2 nincompoops arguing, lol) I said a couple times that once he paid I would post an apology. I never did. That was because it was a part of our agreement. His actual request at the end was for me to delete some posts and threads AND apologize, which would have meant there would be no record of our disagreement, only my apology post. That wouldn't have played out so well for me or the truth.

The apology, if it had been posted, would've been to comply with an agreement and would've been along the lines of "my belief that you never intended to pay was, in the end, erroneous because you did indeed borrow money and pay me." From my perspective there wasn't anything else to apologize for. He had been dishonest. He was also pushing back the payment time. These are classic scam moves that led me to believe he wouldn't pay me. I had a sense he did care about his online credibility, so that meant my only hope of payment was to embarrass him publicly. I did so. He claimed my actions, especially the release of "his" artwork, warranted the non-payment however eventually I was paid.

The debate about whether he would have paid without my prompting (and without the urging of maybe half the thread respondents, and without the scammer tag the mods put on him until he paid, and without the loan he was given) can rage on. It's like politics and religion; no one will be swayed from their beliefs.

It may be hard to see because I edited some posts to comply but from my perspective there was more to the story than just the late 1BTC payment. Some of it has been whitewashed into simply being a story of "purchaser couldn't pay immediately, asked for an extension; Keyser refused and immediately went to the forum to shout scam."

lol, yes. You might add "I'm still trying to wrap my head around a home schooled guy with a diploma mill degree setting up a private school using public school education materials..."

burn.  Gotta love the diploma mills.  Alas, in a free-market, as long as there are stupid people in the world, there will be a need for "services" rendered by folks such as this

And there you have it folks. An 11 12 13 14 page thread with a mostly civil discussion on what UABB is (or is not).

Now comes the hard part: If I get 10 requests to lock this thread, I will. Bear in mind, if I get a hundred requests to keep it open, I will.

Let the requests begin:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c60bf53ef0133f584cedf970b-800wi

open

And the race is on! 99 more votes to keep this thread alive, and still 10 needed to lock it.

http://www.funbull.com/Funny-Pictures/Funny-Pictures/The-Race-is-On-587.jpg

Lock it, at this point there is no UABB and voting will not change that. If the idea ever leaves the planning stages then great, but why should anyone care today? Because of the since rescinded pledge to get to the bottom of the Mybitcoin clusterfuck? Because it's fun to ridicule a kid with delusions of grandeur? There is nothing here but fairy dust and farts in the wind.

One for Locking--One for Keeping it Open

A close race so far:

http://monsterblog.lzsportsource.com/images/coverages/vegasemtn07/s2_racing1.jpg

open

for all the scams this loser matthew neal wright pulled on people the google search engine will be so flooded with info that he will never be able to scam again

matthew neal wright fake degree mill home school micropenis scam artist ripoff

That's 2 for open--Still 1 for lock

Heads Up: Please provide a link for the micropenis when accusing people of having such.

http://s5.thisnext.com/media/largest_dimension/A7E5D5E5.jpg

I see no reason to close it. If nobody's interested any more, it will just sink to the bottom. If Michael does something stupid or bad then it might come back up to haunt him.

So I'll go with OPEN.

Now, 3 to Keep Open--Still Only 1 to Lock

Xephan introduces an interesting argument for keeping this thread open:

http://media22.podbean.com/pb/49726be61dd4d6a14d46bcf1a3f375ff/4e3d6cb2/blogs22/21223/archive/badboy.jpg

Leave it open. Its a great drama thread for laughs.

Open. How else will we keep the somethingawful kids entertained?

I vote for keeping it open

4 For Open--One 4 Lock

BillX enjoys the drama!

http://sjhs.stillwater.k12.mn.us/sites/84a0959f-cedb-4a03-ba7a-ce7552d6ca3e/uploads/Drama-Logo_2.jpg

5 Votes to Keep This Thread Open--Only 1 to Lock

RandyFold wants to keep the somethingawful kids entertained while they...:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT-hgNrw4ko3zcWYOKSYw7cat4WbD2qGWm9zK-RQV0H24ISIn_H8Q

TiagoTiago kicked around the idea for awhile, and opted to keep this thread open:

http://www.soccerjerseys4sale.com/upload/soccerjersey/201006/nike-portugal-tiago-19-home-soccer-jersey_s.jpg

The score is now 6 to 1.

Abierto! Ja ja ja!

I speak 17 fluent different languages fluently, all of which are not the same. I know Korean when I see it. Thought you had me, eh (yes, I even speak Canadian).

¡Olé!

http://www.bajandolineas.com.ar/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/OLE-TORO.jpg

For those keeping score at home, the open leads the lock with a score of 7 to 1.

Even Canadian "A"? lol (how does one write that sound?)

ə (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Schwa)?

can someone link me to the SA thread

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3413928&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=398

I think I have one better for you. If you were standing in front of me, I would state to you that there is a phrase in the English language, using all common words, that can be spoken, but impossible to write.

Tell me when you give up. It's not a trick, for I'll write the phrase phonically.

didnt see anything on that page about the moron

not gonna look through an almost 400 page thread but I imagine they gave him a good ribbing

Is this what you're looking for? http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=site%3Aforums.somethingawful.com+BTC.spengler

I really do hope this forum dies. Not because I don't like some of you here ( I really really do) but because it has been literally over run by clowns/trolls/ and spammers who don't give 2 shits about this project or anyone else in our community. They have taken optimal advantage of the relaxed moderation in this forum, and have probably even hurt the prices of Bitcoins through their constant of cyber bullying and over inflamed misinformed postings. It has become a JOKE, and you can clearly see why the developers took this off their project site...

That man was not someone you wanted to do business with at all. All he was interested in was taking your money and getting attention.

I don't care what he was after, but the attack against him was vicious and didn't even come from within this community...

Then ignore the outside influence and move on.

The outside influence is trying to destroy this currency and everyone involved...

This forum is a train wreck and begs for trolling.

Bitcoins are going south just fine on their own. People grumbling in forums is not something responsible adults pay attention to.

One of the cornerstones of faith in Bitcoins and/or Libertarianism is that everyone has to take blame for their faults except for the ideas themselves.

STOP

JEFFK for the LOVE OF GOD, BITCOIN AND LIBERTARIANISM ARE NOT SYNONYMOUS. You are misrepresenting the entire community when you say these things.  

I said OR as well, but they often go hand-in-hand here.

They go hand in hand. Bitcoin is a Libertarians wet dream. Thats not to say a Liberal or a Conservative cant own them but its the Libertarians that get the biggest rise out of them.

Bitcoin is no ones. It doesn't belong to any ideology/ race/ religion/ group/ or country. Why is that so hard to understand? It simply just is, and you could take a progressive liberal approach to them (by taxing large transactions through government run nodes) , or you can take a totally anarchistic approach by remaining completely anonymous, and steering away from large transactions or anything that raises flags! My point here is that Bitcoin literally is YOU. It being open source gives the ability for any government or individual to put the restrictions or limitations in place that THEY see fit. Open source also allows people to improve on the existing system as well, so if you don't like something you can easily CHANGE IT.

Bitcoin is not Libertarian, Liberal, Conservative, Progressive, Democrat, Republican, Christian, Muslim, or Jew.

Bitcoin simply just is, and it's highly offensive and disingenuous to title and/or brand it as anything other than what it is,

A decentralized P2P digital currency that has a capped rate of creation, that can't be duplicated or destroyed. It is the purest form of Internet cash that we have available today as human beings.

Ok, all I said was Libertarians like bitcoins. I don't see what your problem is with that. What I do think is your putting to much of a value on the community aspect of bitcoin. Guess what, there isnt any. Just a bunch of sharks swimming around chatting with each other waiting for the next meal.

Now, what I do find offensive is your use of "JEW" next time you write a line like that use Hebrew. Kind of makes you sound like a racist there.

Wasn't even replying to you...
Was mostly talking to JEFFK sorry you got included in the quote...

You are missing the point of what he said. He and I meant that the Venn diagram of people who are die-hard libertarians and people who believe in Bitcoin looks like a slightly blurry circle. Everyone blames all the faults in Bitcoin on external forces but never Bitcoins themselves, just like Libertarians do "X only fails because the market isn't free ENOUGH", etc.

Both have big flaws but no one here can admit that.


Also, this forum has a huge contingency of the "dumb but always think they are right" variety (e.g., you) that continuously make big mistakes again and again and drive away anyone with an ounce of sense.

Watching this community slowly go from "anarcho-capitalist" to slowly re-inventing every financial institution that we use in the real world has been pretty funny though, for the insane irony of it all.

Bitcoin has it's fault's but only because people are to stupid to adapt to it's most basic requirements. But once again you still don't get it do you? I can tell the majority of the people who post demanding for new features and/or usability don't get it.

IT'S OPEN SOURCE.

If you think something about Bitcoins sucks then CHANGE IT. If you think you can run a better business than half the people in here then DO SO. If you don't care enough about any of this, then ask yourself this question. Why are you here?

The product has to meet the requirements of the people. Not the other way around.

What your "requirements" that haven't been met?  

EDIT: I want to know because I sincerely want to help you if you think some "requirements" haven't been met.

I think they have been said here many many times. I am not going to list that again.

So Bitcoin is marvelous and flawless, as long as no one uses it. Gotcha

Also, it being open source doesn't mean anything for solving the problems in Bitcoins, any meaningful changes to Bitcoin software means you would have to start a new blockchain, defeating the purpose.

The biggest flaw with Bitcoin is that it never takes human nature into account. However, flawed people use it, therefore it will always stay broken and corrupted.

Veg is just too caught up in the emotionalism of bitcoin.

What securing your wallet? Here are free instructions on how to do so http://tweetforum.com/services/a-portable-and-reasonably-secure-bitcoin-wallet-system/

If you for whatever reason still can't follow directions, I would highly recommend you going to CAMPBX. They are a US BASED company in Atlanta that just opened up the new exchanger CAMPBX.Com. The reason why I recommend them to you is because.

A. They are based in the USA and they have a real office you can call and/or go to.
B. They have the best interface of any exchanger available.
C. They have 2 factor security which means every-time you login to handle your coins they send a text message to your phone which you have to input via the computer. This makes it virtually impossible for a hacker to get into your account without having your phone as well.
D. They are tested daily for McAfee security services.
F.  They offer transfer in/out so you can shop/trade/exchange Bitcoins right from within your CBX panel.

Visit them here http://campbx.com

Seriously what "requirements" are missing. I want to write this down, so I can just take over the entire Bitcoin newb market since no one else is taking up the challenge..

Whats meaningful? The fundamentals can't be changed yes, but why would you want to change them?

21 Million Coin Capped (Preventing Longterm Inflation)
No duplicates in the system (Preventing Fraud)
Public Block Chain (Improving transparency)
Difficulty goes up as more miners subscribe making it harder to get this money (Giving the coins even more value as time progresses)

What else am I missing that's flawed in your opinion sir?

No one is talking about e-wallets

No inflation is a flaw in a system that supposedly will be adding new people all the time.
No reversible transactions has caused this to become a haven for scammers
Mining will eventually have negative returns when all the coins are mined but transactions still need to be processed.
Deflation causes permanent and uneven wealth disparity
Transaction processing time increases in a greater-than-linear time as more transactions happen.

You are a fucking idiot. Jew is not a racial slur. Next time you write, know what you're talking about. Kind of makes you sound like a fool here.

Oh fuckface.. "JEW" written all caps like is a racial slur.. I happen to be Jewish now fuck off.

Read his post again, moron.

No inflation is a flaw in a system that supposedly will be adding new people all the time.

Huh?

No reversible transactions has caused this to become a haven for scammers.

If you are doing business with a reputable establishment they will return your money if you have a good reasons, it's no different than cash. If you give it to a thief they will run with it, no different than cash...You don't go around throwing your USD at every site you see on the Internet do you? I assume you only go to the ones you trust, and the same commonsense should be applied when purchasing with Bitcoins.

Mining will eventually have negative returns when all the coins are mined but transactions still need to be processed.

Then people and possibly governments will put up nodes just to process transactions and collect fees...Where there's money to be made, there's always people making it!

Deflation causes permanent and uneven wealth disparity

Not when every single person has access to the same wealth. And even then who said that Bitcoins will be the only currency of the future? That is a pretty short sighted view of whats to come if you think it's either Bitcoins or Fiat... There will be many different competing currencies all with their own individual traits and values.

Transaction processing time increases in a greater-than-linear time as more transactions happen

Transaction processing is not a problem as of yet. In the future if the network continues to expand the head developers have said that there would be upgrades to the block chain to accommodate for the sort of increase that you are talking about. And even then why do you need to process transactions through the block chain? Why is it that in the future there can be no reputable Bitcoin payment processor that processes transactions just like Visa or Mastercard? Giving you the fraud protection you desire, while completely eliminating the need for the block chain thus giving you instantaneous speeds/confirmations.That can happen, and it's anybody's for the taking right now... Instead of wasting time on SA how about you get on it JeffK?

im kind of curious as to what libertarianism has to do with this thread, which is about trolling the UABB guy. and as to the people who say this forums is full of trolls, ill tell you why. these forums have almost no rules, as long as you are not breaking/exploiting the forum software and are not EXCESSIVELY spamming, i don't think i have ever seen anyone get banned. oh yeah, porn too and them assassination threads too. thats why there are so many trolls, and why no real thread can exist.

Hey, BillX

Your post reminded me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8unqrdurxyg&feature=related

While I slept last night, you people (I think I better choose my words carefully) it seems like there was a little pillow fight (safe enough). I have to load 5,000 BF of barn wood today, so I'll be out of pocket. I look forward to reading the rests of these posts in this thread, later today.

Go back to your trailer and dream of someday owning a double wide.

That's all you got, Mordecai? MORDECAI?

I believe Bitcoin will survive but if it can't survive the world at large, with all its clowns, trolls and scammers I'd rather know now. Mommy can't protect it from the world.

I'm done with this thread. Close it in the name decency please!

It's not that average people are stupid, its that the folks innovating Bitcoin are smarter than average about Bitcoin and have created a beast that accomplishes cool functionality with not-so-much focus on usability. Average people like functionality but CRAVE usability. Code developers in general, no matter the project, do not hold as high regard for usability as they do functionality -- this is the eternal divide between left and right brain.

Drupal CMS went through this in last couple of years. Mega-functionality in Drupal but not as usable as average Joe wants. Drupal avoided this issue for as long as it could believing "if it does cool stuff, people will come to it no matter how unusable". The community eventually paid to conduct studies about the open source Drupal CMS product, watching people on video trying to use their product, and finally realized: we need to improve usability to grow the user base.

FlipPro votes lock. The score is 7 to 2. Looks like this thread is going into overtime and the crowd is chanting, "More! More! More!"

lock

+1


I also like your Drupal analogy.

Thank you CowTipper for your input. You helped close the gap, for the score is now 7 to 3.

http://www.yiddie.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/cow-tipper-pasture-eating-funny-cute-pic-yiddie.jpg

matthew neal wright wasn't allowed the right to vote so the official count is 7-2

Or the OP's vote, for that matter. On instant reply, the score is now 6-2. Seems like everything is deflating on this site. Perhaps an injection of ViagraCoin to get the balls rollin' again.