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I am a bit short of btc for a major purchase and don't know what else to do. If your interested PM me and let me know what its worth to you. Thanks

Wow dude. Guess this was bound to start happening....

Not sure an account is worth much, but good luck.

I want to find out if there is any interest in having an established account for a newbie. There is a thread in meta over stopping the sale of accounts. I want to know if there is a reason to stop allowing it. Does it really happen? Of course, if I get a really good offer I'll take it and come back as a newbie. I've done that twice already anyway. lol

Ok cool. Look forward to the next reincarnation lol

Oh, I forgot to mention that you can have all my PMs too. Every discussion I've had with everyone from Memory Dealers to MatthewNWright.

There's a reason they are called "private messages" ..... just saying ... the other parties might not be too happy

Yeah, I guess that's true. I shouldn't do it, but do you think it adds any value to the sale? lol

Depends on the content of the messages, lol ....

 :o Is this actually a thing now? Really shouldn't be allowed. Scammers will be out buying profiles with good rep to scam again. Rinse and repeat. Eugh.

Well, i understand you need money, and you look pretty old and good member,

Why dont you lend bitcoins, and pay back?

I mean, atleast people trust old members for sure.

Did you tried in the lending section?

Is this even allowed?  And how much are you looking for (just a range)?

No, don't worry about it. Most of the old timers here have multiple accounts and the businesses have many accounts. ASIC company shills number in the hundreds.

I'm selling because I'm thinking about using one of my other accounts personally anyway. As far as price, I'm not sure. I'm more interested in what it's worth. If your really interested send me a PM.

I can give you 10 DOGE WOW

I can get those for free when I walk my dog. He gives me those for free right after he pees.

lol. You know you're in trouble when people are offering 10 DOGE. Hope you get a better offer than that soon :)

Yeah, I may be shit outa luck. lol

But like someone else said, you will be facilitating scammers.

There are plenty of reasons to not allow it, but it is allowed currently.


Yup, it's not disallowed currently, but I agree it shouldn't be tolerated.

There are a couple of discussion threads in Meta if people want to share their opinions on the matter.

Sometimes people include their personal data in these. Let's say a mining hardware vendor sells his account - this could be worth a lot since you are getting names and addresses of all his buyers, think of the chaos   :-X

I can offer 0.01 BTC.

Sorry but that's a bad idea in my opinion... This "practice" should be denied or avoided... As the "good member" you seem, you're giving a bad example! Peace! :)

True, but this information could be sold off the forum too. It doesn't have to be traded here. Many companies buy and sell email addresses and personal information to other companies.

And that practice is generally frowned upon and often illegal.

Obviously any trust built up during the life of one account will not transfer to another person because it would be common knowledge that the account is in different hands. Thank you for the offer! If the offer was serious that means accounts do have value for trade. Regrettably, I will have to decline.

Frowned upon - possibly. Illegal - no.  This is a personal social experiment for me. You will have to assume that I will do the right thing concerning the PMs.

Maybe that's the point I'm attempting to prove. A "good member", whatever that is, might disagree with the selling of accounts. One way to build support for or against a phenomena is to let people see it really happening instead of it being a hypothetical situation.

I didn't say what you was doing was illegal. Selling email addresses and other personal information can be illegal.

Ok, maybe it is somewhere. I'm not that well versed in the law surrounding the concept.

Law is a matter of geography.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Protection_Directive#Implementation_by_the_member_states

Some consider email to be personal data though it is not specifically mentioned in the directive.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2012:0010:FIN:EN:HTML

Thanks for the link.

Many people who have joined the forum in the past few months are unaware and learning every day that trading accounts is not disallowed and that it sporadically occurs (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=250369.0;all), so some may easily fall for a scam perpetrated with your account. I wouldn't mind spending 0.01 BTC to prevent that (but not more than that), and maybe as an experiment post for a while with it to see how many people would be aware of the sale of your account.

Fascinating. Your experimenting as much as I am. It may shock you to know that I don't agree with shill accounts. I actually agreed with Matthew's stance on that issue although I believe it cannot really be policed. I think the ASIC manufacturers have way too many of them. I was in the middle of an argument between Josh and Garr about a preorder and watched more shill accounts pop up during the argument than I could actually believe exists. This is an experiment for me. I am more interested in the interest in this action and the exercise than the money. I chose to only accept offers via PM for a reason. PM provides the opportunity to hide the transaction and transfer the account without general knowledge. Is this a plus? Will the potential buyer know that theymos and sirius can view PMs at will? I don't know. You are assuming that there is a price at which I would allow inappropriate action using this account. That may not be true.

It won't be common knowledge to all, only those in the know.

Maybe a scam or potential scam perpetrated by a respected member is what is needed to show how dangerous selling accounts is. And what's to stop a member scamming with their account then claiming innocence because they claimed they sold it?

We’re meant to be able to trust respected members who have built up feedback through trades etc, but to me, this trust is kind of worthless when people can just claim they've sold their account. Even involving a third party escrow service in deals now seems like just one other person involved that could scam you.

You want to know a few very trusted and well established hero members that have scammed in this community?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35827

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3046

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=67058

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=24749

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2033

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=38455

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16160

One of these scammers was a moderator for a long time, one was a worldwide spokesman for Bitcoin and another one was on the default trust list and had control over forum funds. I was caught by a couple of these scammers because I "trusted" their reputation in the community. Selling or buying an account is meaningless because you never really know the character of the person you're dealing with. The ONLY rule of thumb you can follow and be safe is "trust no one".

What price would you be happy to sell for?

I don't really think accounts would be that valuable unless they had some trusted positive feedback.

What? Zhoutongs profile is still being used. Last login is today :)

That's the joke with the feedback system. Positive feedback can be earned rather quickly with small transactions. What makes it valuable is the "activity system" because it relies on "time" as a component. You can do some small trades and buy the "activity" to increase the perception of trust.

BTW: I have already had offers from low activity absolutely fucking horrible scammers with really bad trust ratings. So far I have refused to sell.

I don't agree with the policy that the only retribution against anyone here is the "scammer" tag and that's almost impossible to get. Nefario can come back anytime he sees fit too. There is no block on his account. I guess he's just brighter than that kid Zhou Tong. Look at Zhou's trust rating! The problem is, scammers can always come back for round two and fuck a bunch more people.

I don't want to get in a flame war with him but I know of another scammer that is back after a long hiatus and he has no negative trust rating because the system didn't exist way back then. I'm waiting to see him start a large scam up before openly attacking him.

It's better they come back using the same name than make a new account. Easier to spot them.

That's true. The "real" old timers can spot them. I had conflicts with him using my "CornedBeefHash" account in 2011. LoupGaroux was all over the guy like stink on shit back then too. But LoupGaroux is gone and so are most of the people he originally fucked. That's ok though, I'm still here waiting for him to get stupid. lol

Bump!

I might be able to offer a better way for you to gain trust if you act quickly. Send me a PM if you're interested.

Some folks do giveaways and require accounts of a certain age to qualify.
So the account may have some value for this purpose aside from anything else.

I don't support the idea, or the notion of gaming the trust system, but I wish you well.
You must really be suffering to compromise yourself in such ways.
Ethics are more important than money, it is easy to make money if you lose it, but when you lose trust, it is so very hard to regain, and often impossible.

Agreed. Trust is an important aspect of this community and it's been violated many times by well respected founding members of Bitcoin.

I'm uniquely qualified to do what I'm doing. It should be easy for anyone to tell if someone new is controlling my account. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=219714.msg2427812#msg2427812

Haha so this topic isn't genuine ;)

Oh

lips.zip (http://lips.zip)

I'll buy it for 0.01.

I've already had offers for 10x that but thanks for the offer. :)

The true value of the account was made plain by the above reveal.  It is worth more than 10x.

Consider:
http://css.csail.mit.edu/6.858/2013/projects/mfleder-mkester-spillai.pdf

I would never buy an account such as QuestionAuthority, or at least not here, and not through the forum, or with a PM even... If only there were another way that didn't destroy its value...

That's the reason to buy my account. It's never been linked to a real Bitcoin address. It is also the reason for everyone to trade accounts occasionally. If the majority of users traded accounts using PM only and never used a Bitcoin address twice that concept wouldn't work.

Thanks for making plain what you have, it is valuable and you have earned what you will receive.  Well done.

I'll give you .25 btc if you're interested.

PM sent.

I'm bit short myself right now, but I'm long on 99% wholegrain flour iykwim. 100g?

I love flour. How would you ship it?

We have donkeys going to most countries. Then drop to your PO box. I go first, I like you.

Done. lol

Be sure you test the purity of that flour, some flour vendors have been extracting the gluten and cutting it with bleached white.

Thanks for letting me know. My bread would bake into a bad trip.  ;D

I wish mods can ban people selling accounts. This will only increase scams in the lovely forum...

I know! It's just awful that this forum allows such freedoms. They should police this place to death until any possibility of individual thought is crushed beneath the weight of despotism.

Yes, I know a guy who's sister's dog ate some bad bread.
He's been loafing on the sofa ever since.

I like you, too. You have good trust and high ideals. I will buy your account.

Fucking LOL!

Haha

This one I don't like. He makes jokes and disrespects my flour. I have sent him a present.

Cut his flour with black pepper. That'll teach him to screw with the sanctity of your precious flour.

The present arrived, it has now become the past.

Flour is mighty.  It gives great rise.  Makes much bread.

Would you take 21,000,000.00000001 BTC

If you say no then I offer .11 for you account

You have to go first and i don't escrow

PM sent.

You did not send a PM???

are you trying to scam me? That is my job

Really? I got your PM in response and I really don't like boys in that way.

Ok, I scam you. Send me your PW.

Can I talk to you about this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=819446.0

You're at least a little bit insane aren't you? That thing you want to do with Great Danes and bananas is sickening.

I am not sure what you are talking about. Do you think Proof of Scam is a good idea? It must be better then Proof of Stake?

Eww, you're right.  I wish you hadn't shared that PM with me.
There is no way to unread something once its been read.
I'm tainted, now I need hypnotherapy.

It's an ugly practice. Integrity for bitcoins? Step right up

Yep, he's a sick little turd. ROFL

I know, it's awful. Someone should really put a stop to this.

I can't understand. Is selling own account allowed by forum rules? Doesn't its ruining this place and making its scammers' heaven?

Certainly does not add credibility - caveat emptor, always.
Did OP sell his account or not? (Did not read whole thread.)

Yes, he did. I wouldn't trust him.


Read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=219714.msg2427812#msg2427812

This is exactly why people should take what is said on this forum as look at the facts when determining if they are credible. If something is too good to be true then it probably is. If something sounds crazy then it is.

IMO the OP did not sell his account (or he sold it to someone with a very good understanding of Bitcoin and a similarly good sense of humor) as he still is able to take apart people's arguments line-by-line while maintaining an appropriate level of trolling.

An appropriate level of trolling, lol. I like that.

To end all debate, I did not sell this account. I argued with someone about how bad the account selling and sock puppet problem was at this forum. I said it wasn't a big deal. To prove my point I made this thread trying to honeypot possible buyers that would communicate via PM only. I have received 22 offers to purchase the account in a year. Half of those never posted in the thread and one of those was an account reseller that never posted in the thread. I'm not happy to admit I was wrong. It's a bigger problem than I thought it was.

Neither would I. Just because you post something you wrote in a different thread six months earlier it absolves you of the probability that you wanted to sell your account? It does not. 


It is, it has.

I swear this place is just a false flag operation set up by the government to track thieves and scoundrels.

hilariousandco, what happened dude? this used to be you...

Because unlike you I'm not impervious to logic and reason and am able to look at things from a different perspective as my mind is open to rational arguments, whereas your opinion is fixed. You have yet to provide any reason or sound argument why it should be disallowed, whereas others for the opposite have.

Yes, but we can not know that the you that wrote that first message, is still the you that wrote this second one referencing it!
Thus you have perfected your pseudonymity by virtue of plausible deniability, or rather the original QuestionAuthority has done so, you imposter poster!

The dark side being? The side not made up of stupid trolls?

Yes, it does. If you have the ability to think it through. I have said I refuse to trade with anyone, take money from or give money to anyone on this scummy forum - ever. I can't be scammed and I can't be labeled a scammer.

You would have to be a fool to buy my account because anyone caught selling, trading or taking money from anyone would instantly be identified as the purchaser of the account. If someone bought the account and upheld my rule of not trusting any of you scumbags then the account sale was harmless anyway. Of course, no one is stupid enough to buy a worthless account.

I am sure that it has some level of value as it could participate in a signature campaign. Plus anytime someone looks at your account they see the work "hero" which means something to some people.

Your account could easily be labeled a scammer (although there might not be any truth to it) as anyone can give negative trust and anyone can say (almost) anything they want on here.

I do agree that there are a lot of scams on this forum and doing business is very risky.

I am certain I could pretend to be you if I wanted to.

Are you even still selling this? This whole chain of replies have drifted on a tangent completely.

Anyone could. Just don't victimize people and you'll get away with it.

Nope, if you read the link I posted you will see I refused to even take a tip on this forum or donate it to charity. Anyone that knows me knows I would never advertise the stupid shit I see in signatures on this forum.

No, it's never really been for sale. Read above.

Either that, or its been sold and the new QA is holding true on the original QA's position in this matter in order to maintain the plausible deniability.

Hopefully we will never know.

BTW this new QA has almost as good of a sense of humor as the old one!  Not an easy task.

LOL - well, thank you. I studied his magnificence for months to master it.

how to ensure that my account is not sending negative feedback when to buy it ?

LOLOL > Free bump just for that

For the record I would have given any potential buyer a test to make sure they had an appropriate knowledge of Bitcoin (capital B) and an appropriate sense of humor prior to selling the account, in order to ensure that your legacy lives on.

Claiming that shows absence of the ability to adjudicate such a test.
QA was one of a kind.
The current impostor is but a shadow of the former glory.

I thought about that but that would have eliminated too many buyers here. Technology freaks != Personality (take nutildah for example)



It's a rough road ahead. I have some big silly clown shoes to fill. LOL

After doing a linguistic analysis, word usage, and punctuation regression analysys, it is now clear that there are more just the two. 
QA is likely a team of people, that has been definitively narrowed down to a combination of John Nash, Nick Szabo, Taylor Swift, M. Karpales, the young Bob Hope, and Roger Ver.
The gig is up QA, you've been doxxed.

I am sure that someone would be willing to buy your account that would meet my criteria, I would probably just need to wait long enough. I have learned that patience is a virtue in the account trading business as waiting for the right buyer (who is willing to pay enough or otherwise) can be quite profitable.

ROFL I'm the new Satoshi.

It's hard to believe that people will buy accounts. Is it just to steal from people or are there other motivations? Surly it can't be to impress the great abyss of losers that post on THIS forum.

I am pretty sure you know their motivations - signature campaigns. I am pretty sure I have seen you make lists of people you think are spamming because they have a paid signature (and saying they are being added to your ignore list). I would say that a fairly good number of accounts that participate in a signature campaign were likely sold at one point. (I do think that sig campaigns does add a little bit of spam but not as much as some people claim, but they also add some valuable conversation/discussion - but that is not the point).

I would say that using a purchased account to steal/scam is extremely risky as there are ways to make money off an account in a legit way and if the account is caught attempting a scam then it will lose the majority of it's value. I have seen people say that they have caught "sold" accounts trying to scam however I personally doubt they know for sure that an account was in fact sold for the reasons stated above.

Can't you just make a bunch of accounts for signature campaigns and save the money used to buy them? Do they pay more for different ranks?

You can but you would need to wait at least 2 months to become a "member" or ~4 months to become a 'full member' (most campaigns are closed to everyone except full members and above, although PD was open to members for most of it's campaign).

Yes the higher your rank, the more you will generally be able to earn from your signature, mainly because higher ranking members can have bigger/"better" signatures. See this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0) for more information about how much more higher ranking members can make.

Does the amount you make offset the cost of the account purchase and make it worthwhile? It just seems like a trifling amount of money for the effort.

Back in the hayday of the PD campaign you could easily ROI on a senior account with only making a few hundred posts (which is possible to do in one month). After a while PD limited the max paid posts to 400, which made it so you could ROI in one month for a senior and anything you earned any subsequent months would be profit. It was very much worth it back then to be buying accounts.

Now it will take a little bit longer to ROI on your account however you need to do much less work if you are in a signature campaign, as the monthly rates are lower, but the effective rate per post is much higher.

A very few people actually auction off their signature space (I would say that you could probably get a decent "fee" for selling your signature space if you can get past the fact that you promised to never conduct any business with your account) and if they are very well known they can earn a decent amount. Kluge I believe auctioned his signature for 6 months for (I think) .35 BTC while promising to make only 30 posts per month.

Thanks for the detailed answer. That would never be worth it for me. Kluge auctioned his signature for (at current price) $135 earned over a 6 month period. I'm retired now but when I worked I made more than that in the typical morning, afternoons were better. I suppose if you're a kid looking for a way to make some cash with no other way available it could get you some beer money. If you have the ability to work a part time job then the time involved posting that much for beer money wouldn't be worth the effort.

still want to sell your account......?

23?

Jesus Christ! People on this forum are functionally illiterate. And no, it's not just 23. Four more have hit my PM in the last 24 hours. It's 27 now. LOL

We keep bumping the thread causing new scammers to knock at my door. I think the ones openly responding in the thread are sig campaigners and the ones only PMing are scammers.

LOL wow.

Such a sweet honeypot, even covered in vinegar it attracts flies.
Or maybe there are just a lot of flies?

Since I can't send you bitcoin, I'll just send kind respect. 
Don't spend it all in one place.

I think this forum just smells like rotten meat. lol

Thanks for the tip. I'll spend it wisely.

Plenty of people in 3rd world and former 2nd world countries would be happy to earn extra money in such a relatively effortless way. I live in an OECD country and yet I can find quite a few compatriots, some of them in their 30s, that can make a living from participating in ad signature campaigns.

I never would have believed it to be that popular or lucrative for some. I guess that means I can ignore the posts of about half of the posters on this forum because they're saying just anything for the post money. I've already noticed a decrease in the number of people I used to know here. They're being replaced by campaigners here for a quick buck that don't really care about Bitcoin at all. This forum is a shell of its former self.

Isn't anyone in power concerned that this practice makes Reddit more valuable for real information?

We're thinking about the issue, and a lot of those ad signature spammers eventually get tempbanned (or permabanned), but we haven't yet decided what/if should be done to prevent the lowering of the quality of discourse without taking too much of peoples' freedom away. After all, signature advertising is also a great and simple way for newbies to earn and learn about Bitcoin first-handedly.

As for Reddit... it is not a bad place for news and circle-jerking, but it is unsuitable for longer and intelligent discussions.

I'm not really in favor of censoring but people don't need a signature to post. If they leave because they can't make money posting then they never really cared about Bitcoin anyway. These people wouldn't care if this was an auto parts forum. They would just run around and post about alternators. I can see only one good reason to allow it. The increased site traffic from these people makes the forums advertisement space more valuable.

I agree with you about Reddit. It's completely worthless for extended conversations.

I don't care about those that are here only for the "free" BTC, but there are quite a few users with ad signatures whose posts aren't spammy.


I'm not so sure. Bitcoin companies can promote their services by winning forum ad slot auctions and by paying people to post with ads in their signatures. Without signature advertising they will only be left with forum ads, which would drive the prices up.

The rumor's of CryptoCrypt.org (https://cryptocrypt.org/index.php)'s invite only and more private and functional forum are true.  Not only does it curate the best of Reddit and news, it serves as an alternative to BCT for high value conversations,.  It is a troll free zone without signature advertising and also prohibiting ad hominem by social convention and banhammering.  It seems to have cultivated a valuable population.  It is sort of what BCT is hoping to accomplish with forum software updates, but with a somewhat more elite userbase.

Some have simply shifted discussions to there.

Yeah, I guess there's a few. It doesn't really matter to me. I don't even mind the +1 or lol posts like other people do. It's not like they kill anyone being there. Sometimes a person just wants to show support and approval for a post. I keep signatures and ads disabled anyway. I should probably turn on signatures as a kind of automatic ignore feature though.

Driving the prices up would be good for the forum revenue and it would get rid of spammers. It's kind of a win for you as a mod. You might get a little boost in the ad money split. On the other hand, if site traffic was down would the advertisers still want to be here? It's hard to say what's right.

Yeah, I got an invite to Goats site and went there a few times. I was surprised at the supposedly "important" old time BCT members that were there (unless they faked the names to join like I did - lol). They don't have much traffic and the discussions reminded me of a snobatorium where people spend their time trying to impress everyone with their vast crypto power knowledge. They love the alts too and I can barely say Doh-sche-coin without bursting into wild laughter.

My account is still up for 1000BTC if anyone wants it :P

Ok, maybe there is a price I would sell for. LOL

Dayum! I'd sell mine for a fraction of that.  :o

Looks like you never sold it ? lol

Or it has been sold and resold many times, as its value steadily increased?

Oh how we long for the one and only original QA, who will forever be sorely missed.

No, I didn't.

ROFL

Don't make me cry :(

There is only on Q/A aka cornbeefhash

I'll tell him that you guys miss him. His new name is Dank. LOL

This new paid signature campaign you've signed up for is enticing.
It seems designed well, with attractive colors, and will surely help to lower ad costs for the gambling ad sellers through the perversity effect of counter cultural memetics.
Those ad guys are wicked smart.  They know how many of us believe the opposite of whatever is advertised.  Now they have all the sides covered.

If you can't beat em' - join em'.  LOL

I just noticed this thread is pretty old.

1 year ago??

You have a keen eye my man.