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Right hand or forehead?  BTC symbol?

This is the bitcoin discussion forum, not the fantasy forum.

I am discussing bitcoin..

I'm sorry, Steve - you must have thought this is the Bronze Age Cult forum. Check to make sure didn't mix up your bookmarks.

Wrong forum

Ah, not so fast there..................................................

I do not care if it rains or freezes:

https://myspace.com/thefishheads/music/song/plastic-jesus-22696809-22497994

Better to be safe than sorry!

Turn up your speakers!

My $.02.

;)

See here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211865.0

already discussed.

Also fantasy and Sci-Fi belongs into Off-Topic

Thanks but the Bible is the most sold NONFICTION book ever, wow with all the haters maybe I am on to something.. weird..

lmfao I read that in the special doge voice and sarcastic voice. it cracked me up.

Perhaps.  I think that because of the anonymity of BTC governments may run into problems taxing the use of it and therefore some ruler (aka anti-christ) will come up with the brilliant "solution" and require all people on earth to have a tattoo on their hand or forehead so that the buying and selling of all goods can be traced and taxed.  I guess some will say that the good news is that there will finally be a "flat tax" in place! The bad news is that this ruler, as the Bible foretells, will say he is all for "peace" and the good of humanity but he will wage a war on Christians.  Of course much of the world will rejoice in this, as they already do when Christians are "put in their place."  It is just the spirit of the anti-christ that is already at work among us.

As a Christian I am not afraid of BTC and think it is wise to have to have some.  Of course I will never take a mark on my hand to buy and sell.  They will have to kill me first.  But I do value the anonymity.  It could be valuable someday.


Also, I am pretty sure it will be a bar-code.  Almost all nations already have scanners in place that can read bar codes.  All bar-codes have a "666" hidden in them in that there are identical lines in the front, middle and end without a "number" on them but they coincide with what a "6" looks like.  Just google bar-code 666 and you can research this.

Children's fairy tales should be in "off topic"

People are willing to die for this "fairy tale" as you call it. 

This true story of a persecuted girl really humbled me:
If the Bible is not true why would anyone be willing to give their life up because of it!?  See: http://www.historymakers.info/inspirational-christians/jesus-freaks.html

Uh... No.

The most sold (factual) book ever is a Chinese dictionary, not the Bible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_books


So, please, next time think before to post anything in this section. This is not a place to discuss your religion of choice.

Nope, there is no hidden numbers in a bar code. Stop the spread of misinformation, please.

What happened to the girl is of course horrible, a crime, a war crime. The tapestry of human history is soaked in blood and there are countless examples of such events. Yet, none of that history is relevant here.


Likewise. BitChick, I share your enthusiasm about Bitcoin, but please stop with such interpretations.

You are awesome! AMEN!

I hate to be the anti-religious ass around here, but I had to snicker at that comment.

In any case, if Bitcoin interferes with your religious views, your best bet is to stay away from it.

Bitcoin isn't anonymous.

Governments WILL force Bitcoin users to "register" the Bitcoin addresses they use.

Any Bitcoin addresses not registered will be monitored and probably traced to the source.

You can call it mark of the beast, I call it security.

Also, the bible has been translated too many times for it to have ANY credibility what so ever.

Anyone who "believes in" stuff in the bible hasn't done any proper research on how it came into existence.

Religion = what came and went was just an illusion

http://s22.postimg.org/5if4jdfm9/mirage.jpg

Yeap... and this is how someone can have a serious conversation about bitcoin and the devil.  ;D
"Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God."

That are not numbers in case you do not know anything about bar codes. That are bars without any numeric value to allow the scanner determine the geometric coherence of the bar code. Therefore, the image you post is presenting a wrong interpretation of what that means in a bar code.

http://www.adams1.com/upccode.html


http://www.barcoding.com/upc/

https://i.imgur.com/CNDvPW6.png

Ooops. Look like not all number 6 use the same pattern...

Sure you can say "It is not actually numbers.  Those lines don't mean anything" and so on.  But I personally think it is pretty crazy that when John wrote the book of Revelation and foretold that there would be a number that needed to be "calculated" that had man's number 666 in it to buy and sell that we actually do use a mark that has a number that could be "calculated" that has what looks like 666 embedded in it.  Call it random chance if you want.  You have the free will to do that.  I think that perhaps it is something that takes Spiritual insight to see anyways.  There will even be some people that call themselves "Christians" that will have absolutely no problem taking a bar code on their hand or forehead because it is "just a barcode" and there is no 666 on it they will say, but it is foolish to think that everyone will walk around with an obvious and large 666 on their hands.  That makes no sense.  

Here is the verse in Revelation 13 for reference:


And I am aware that the pattern for the 6 in the first half of the bar-code is different than the 6 in the second half.  But there are still three unaccounted lines without numbers on barcodes.  You can justify this however you want.  I personally think it is pretty cool that the Bible foretells that there will be a number of any kind used to buy and sell.  This would have been beyond anyone's understanding back then.  Only God could have know this.  

Sshh this is a conspiracy theory

Those three double-bars are registration marks (finder symbols), just as QR codes have three squares. They are so readers can locate the image properly. They do not have any numeric value.

http://www.barcodeart.com/artwork/collages/diagram/diagram.gif

http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/2-d-barcode-diagram-a-gif.gif

Who's conspiracy theory? Satan's?

Sure.  There is no "numeric value."  However, are the lines there?  Those lines are the one thing that is uniform on all of the barcodes in the world. If we hold several barcodes next to each other and ask the question, "What is the one thing these all have in common?"  What would the answer be?  There would be a distinct pattern.  There would be two lines in the front, middle and the end that are identical.  If every person had to put one of these on their hands or foreheads to buy or sell what would be the one thing that they all had in common?  It would be this pattern.  Call it random if you want.  Pretend that the lines do not match the "6" in the second half of barcodes if you want.  You have that right but like the saying goes, I think if it "looks like a duck, walks like a duck, acts like a duck.  It is a duck."

Also, Revelation says that the number needs to be "calculated."  This implies it will not be obvious but it is more of a puzzle to be deciphered.  All the more reason that it is not obvious sixes but just hidden ones in the form of "spacers."

There is no number there to be "calculated". How many times I have to repeat this to you understand that? That bars are not there by "random chance", they are there because it was designed to be there! Without that bars it would be impossible to use the bar code without a high rate of reading errors.


A bar code is not a puzzle and any calculation involved in the scanning process is just there to validate the code. There is not hidden number there because that bars do not represent numbers. Let me repeat to you. THAT BARS DO NOT REPRESENT ANY NUMBER!

Please, stop to spread misinformation.

Of course they are common to all bar codes - they are so that readers can find the bar codes! All QR codes have 3-squares. So they can be found. Did I say random? I am saying the exact opposite. The bars are designed to be read in all conditions, on a pack of frozen peas, whatever.

Anyway, the double bar registration marks are more like "3" than anything else (or maybe a "7", or maybe "8").

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/EAN-G.png

Lol!  So much for the plan to stop drinking, eh?

Maybe the person designing the barcode did it just to mess with Christian-nutjobs small brains.


Excellent troll..

From Revelation: "This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast."

Wisdom and insight?  This is something only God can give.

I guess for clarification:

Are barcodes used to buy and sell?

Do they have a distinct pattern with numbers that appear to "by chance" match the 6 that appears in the second half of all barcodes?

Then do all barcodes have a pattern of 6,6,6 on them? 

I am not justifying anything. I am stating facts and demonstrating that your belief is based on a wrong interpretation of how the bar code works. I have already show what is the purpose of  "three unaccounted lines without numbers". Your incredulity is not going to change how the bar codes works.


It seems is still beyond your understanding right now...

No, it is called Universal Product Code or UPC barcode and was developed in 1973.

Yes. No. No.

However, today you have given me a revelation!  It is a revelation to me that anyone could infer 2,000 year old mysticism from something as harmless as a product bar code, and worse, allow that belief to affect their life. Amazing.

The book of Revelation was written around AD 95.  How would someone in that time period describe a mark on our hands to buy and sell?  I guess what the "number" is on the mark is pretty irrelevant anyways.  As a Christian I will not take a mark on my hand or forehead regardless of what it looks like to buy and sell.  I fear God too much to do that.  But I just find it really fascinating that the Bible foretells this and I personally think that it will be barcodes.  All countries on earth are set up to scan them already.  There is some evidence of each bar code having what could be interpreted as a 6 6 6 on it with the lines. I would think it is enough to validate what is written in Revelation anyways, that the number takes wisdom to see.  That shows that it won't be obvious, which this is not.

I know that many people think Christians are crazy.  I suppose it looks that way to most people.  I can see that.  But Jesus has changed my life, as trite as it sounds.  I often see so many people afraid of so many things but thanks to Him I don't have to fear, whatever may come, be it a new-world order that actually kills Christians for not taking a mark.  Christians will have to suffer greatly at the hands of men according to Revelation.  Fortunately in the end Jesus wins so it is but a fleeting time of sorrows.

Yes, the lines are there.



Lines and spaces.


Nope.

http://www.murraydata.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/standard_barcodes-500x371.jpg


Stupidity?


No one called random and no will call random because it is NOT RANDOM!


It is not a pretension, it is an invariable fact.


Worst line of argumentation presented so far... What mere straight lines in a bar code has anything to do with the concept of decimal numbers?


Right... Please, explain how your misinterpretation of lines in a bar code represents any calculation whatsoever? 1 line plus 1 space plus 1 line is equal to six?

 ::)

ROFL!

It was just a question people, wow..

Sorry.  It is partially my fault. ;)  I enjoy a good debate too much I guess. 

not your fault,.. if anything you helped me a lot!

If you look at how COMPLETELY LEGAL cannabis businesses in Colorado are being treated by banks, it's very apparent that the ol' Greenback is already the Mark of the Beast.

I think America is actually the "Babylon" described in Revelation.   This is totally my interpretation but it seems to make sense.   It does not fare well for "Babylon" either.  Just saying.

What make you think he was describing anything related to our age? Did you even read the Bible properly?

http://biblehub.com/revelation/13-16.htm


In case you do not know, slavery was abolished in many countries of the civilized word. So the above description certainly is not a reference to our civilization.


No need to be afraid. You will live and die without being forced to put any stupid mark in your hand or forehead to buy and sell.


Nope, there is many countries which are still using the old and good cash in hands to complete a transaction. No need to use a bar code scanner when people can use their own brains to remember what is the value of different goods and calculate the final price.


No, there is no evidence whatsoever and your wilful ignorance of how bar code works do not validate anything wrote in the Bible.


Correct.

Agreed. I am also amazed with the misinformation people create from mere straight double lines in a bar code.

So... What God gave to the people which created the bar code? That people would have to receive wisdom and insight, otherwise how they would be able to "calculate" the number of the beast and "hide" in the bar code?

As for wisdom and insight, I was referring to people that will understand what the mark is. . . but never mind.

As for the people that created the barcode though, that does bring up an interesting point about how God is all knowing and outside of time.  He knew beforehand what would be used and was able to show this to John when He was writing Revelation.  Pretty cool to me, but I wouldn't expect you to think so because you think it is all crazy.

BTW, I feel like you are pretty defensive about all of this.  Are you ticked at Christians for something deeper that has happened or just annoyed at us (me) because you think we are ignorant and foolish?

You did not answer the question. What people received from God to develop the bar code in 1973? How would the bar code developers be able to put the "calculated" number of the beast "hide" in the bar code if they did not received the wisdom of God in first place? Do you understand the contradiction of your statement? If that people did not received any wisdom and insight from God to know how to "calculate" the number of the beast, what made them to put the "hidden" number there? You have already implied that is not a random event, so that people had a purpose to put the "hidden" number there. Please, explain what that people received (or not received) from God to create the bar code.


Yeah, pretty cool to imagine a supra sentient being able to determine what is happening everywhere in the universe.


I do not think Christians are ignorant and foolish, but sometimes their seem to be proud of their lack of understanding about certain facts. What annoys me is not your religion or your belief, but the repetitive refusal to learn from the correct information presented so far.

If we want to be objective, the technological/scientific predictions in the Quran blow all of this away.

Who says they werent informed by God to put the # in? Who says it was not part of Gods plan? Who says it did not all just happen coincidentally on their terms but God knew that it was to come? Why are you so defensive?

Steve - for a professed alcoholic who posts insane things about naming his future baby "Bitcoin" while web surfing in a drunken stupor, you might want to tone down the "Representing Christianity" schtick.  The two don't go together very well, and will only encourage those who dislike Christians to have another reason to call them "Hypocrites".   Shhhhh.

As for Bitchick:  you say you enjoy a "good debate" but I am afraid your style of debate is very childlike.  I used to be like you.  I went to Bible College and stood on street corners, full of starry-eyed love, "just sharing my faith" with the unsaved.  What I didn't grasp is that I was coming across like a total nutjob.  And while I (and no doubt you) viewed the "unsaved" as blind fools, they in fact were viewing me as exactly that.  And while that may make you feel empowered, it in fact hurts your case, and reduces your ability to bring anyone to believing faith.  Much of what you say is trite, as you aptly pointed out (in sarcasm).  But it is.  You need to remember you are discussing things with intellectuals here.  At least that is the demographic they are coming from.  You cannot convince an intellectual with paragraphs of unicorn and rainbows chatter.  And that is exactly how they see your words.  If you want to convince an opposing party of your viewpoint, you need to speak in a language that they can understand and respect.  Not repeatedly brag about how you have the inside scoop, and because you and Jesus are best buds, you're the only one with "wisdom" and "eyesight" to see that what you're saying is right.  You're wasting your energy, because you are not engaging these people in a manner that is going to result in a changed viewpoint. 

Fiat currency is the true mark of the beast... (Of course that's only if you believe in the fictional book we call the bible.)

Zeitgeist the movie sums it up well. I think they also discuss the origin of 666; it predates the bible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Ya5qiiW6k

Katie Price is sold under non-fiction too, you wouldn't want to live your life like her's would you?

The barcode things fails because the guard bars are not 6, they do not look like a six unless you don't read how the bar is constructed.  You read and absorb half the information about them, then ignore the rest as its not convenient.  Though that's a common practice among bibletards.

Christianity:

 The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh, drink his blood and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

My $.02.

;)

Yes, at least there is some logic to that.

I understand your point.

It wasn't a snake. It was a serpent. But other than that it's not bad.

But you forgot the bit about the Jewish zombie dying a painful death on a cross because he believed he was doing it for the benefit of mankind.

I find that moving in a cold, cold world that doesn't give a shit about one another.

This is very true hence why "stealth mode" is required. Be sheep in wolves clothing and all that.

The darkness did not understand the light. It never will. One can only hope that some will see the world as it truly is.

What's a serpent?

A snake like creature with legs. After the fall, it's legs were removed.

You are probably right. I have posted on several boards in the past and tried to get into "intellectual" discussions here but truth be told my IQ probably is much lower than most here for sure, even though mine is well above average.  My husband has a pretty high IQ and I have a hard time following him sometimes. There have been studies that show that it is hard to have a meaningful discussion with anyone that is beyond 30 IQ points so I am probably pushing it on this board! ;) 

That said, thankfully Jesus did not come just for the geniuses.  In fact, He says that the humble and low in spirit are the ones that he listens too.  I guess I am bold in my relationship with Him because that is one area I am bold about and feel certain of in this crazy messed up world.  Also, I think all Christians appear like "nutjobs" to most non-Christians.  And if they don't maybe their faith has been watered down too much?

At this point I am at a loss for words about the barcode issue.  I guess it really is a non-issue anyway, just something I find really interesting.  I just thought perhaps it would cause some to step back and think that there may be something to it.  

I like cults that worship ugly torture methods such as nailing people to two boards then hoisted into the air.

Or as someone once said:

Banks and governments are like religions: They propose protection and paradise until you graciously decline their offers, at which point they threaten you with scorched earth and damnation.

If you're constantly on the lookout for signs, everything starts to look like a sign.

You two are probably never going to convince the likes of me that Jesus is the Lord the all the bible stuff.  It's not a matter of IQ as much as patterns of thought (though there is probably a correlation between these two things.)

What you can do is demonstrate that Christians are all over the board in terms of their attitudes, actions, activities, etc, and that it is unfair and incorrect to associate all Christians with abortion clinic bombers, people who paint crosses on the gun barrels of their tanks as they kill Iraqis, and that sort of thing.  Of course a lot of us have enough experience to know that this is the case, but even so I find it especially pleasing to see a devout person who is also a very good person.  Fortunately I live amonst a lot of them.

As for things like the barcode deal (which I've not looking into a whole lot) I find such things delightful and fun to think about and look for explanations for, but I don't take them to seriously.

You are all wrong and will be feasted upon by the ELDER ONES!

"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtan"
(In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu lies dreaming.)

The Host and the Worshippers answer this call:

"Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn"
(Yes! Yes! Cthulhu dreams!)

"Cthulhu R'lyeh fhtagn"
(Cthulhu dreams in R'lyeh)


Ia! Ia! Cthulhu Fhtagn!

I know you are highly intelligent. However, unfortunately people don't come to god because of logic but because of understanding and compassion. The less of the former tends to work well for me.

Also the low iq accusations, I suspect, could simply be a function of your username bitchick. And not what you write. Change it to Madam M or something like that, and you might get a different reaction.

If we have more intelligence than anyone else in the world but don't have love, we are nothing. :)

I thought I would have fun with being one of the few females on the board, hence my "BitChick" name.  Then husband joined.  He goes by "BitChicksHusband" as a bit of a joke.

I am actually a blond which probably causes me some deep rooted issues of being called a "dumb blond" at times.  I can be gullible too which does not always help either. 

But I digress, I think knowing our place in this world is not a bad thing.  This might sound crazy, but I am actually thankful that I am not more intelligent than I am.  Living with someone that could be considered a "genius" or close to one has been eye opening for me.  It is often hard and entirely frustrating for really smart people to live in a world of idiots.  ;)  It can be lonely too.  Not everyone understands what it is like, so I have sympathy for the brains out there.  But I do see intelligence as a stumbling block to knowing God for some though.  It seems that it can bring a bit of pride and almost a feeling of knowing more than God, or even believing somehow that there is not a God at all which is a problem.

Well, logically, one cannot prove or disprove the existence of god. I have come to believe that life could be a test of each person's compassion. Man's intelligence would be meaningless to someone who created the building blocks of physical matter.

Oh yes animals were punished with 4 legs, serpent had all removed.

It's a game. When you die you get to choose a new character or ghosthack metaphysically for a while. Nothing spectacular.

Explain birds then. And fish.  ;D

But the Christian god is a LOVING god, right?

:P

yes it is ;D ;D

OK, does it make any difference whether or not there is an external reality?

Inquiring minds want to know!

My $.02.

;)

Only for the individual.  Randomness implies no one is out there and no one cares, which is depressing. Intelligent design implies someone is out there who gives a shit, which is somewhat more hopeful. I choose optimism.

No, you are right to point out that the Christian God is jealous, vengeful and all that.  We are his playthings.  There is no doubt about that.  He chooses who he wants to love and who he wants to destroy.

That being the case, he may need counselling and Prozac.

;)

I fear him. You tell him.  ;D

Seriously though. If you were in god's shoes, you'd love on your own terms too. That's the advantage of being god.

Glory be to God

I am getting rid of my .5btc and trading it for gold tomorrow. It most certainly is the mark of the beast as your SS# will be attached to your address and so will your picture full name address phone number height weight etc etc. It will be the tattoo shown on every music video which is the same image as the new barcode which is the same as BTC bar code. Old barcode is obviously 666. BTC was hijacked by government by shutdown of silkroad making them the largest holders of BTC. Everyone gets rich as BTC rises and dollars crash until one day you are not allowed to access your address until you receive the mark. Simple decision take your 1000s-100000000s you have in your address with this mark or simply don't take it and never access your money. The fact that everyone is attacking the idea and calling it absurd and name calling is only proving it's truth. Changing this to "off topic" when it clearly is directly related to BTC in every way shape and form. As a potential issue regarding faith, it also affects value and trade ability. The OP question even addresses whether or not BTC is against the very thing most people think it stands for which is anonymous currency unregulated by government. If the facts are correct as they are and haven't been refuted only attacked, I am cashing out before the barcode is moved from your computer screen to your hand. Granted it's only .5BTC but considering I paid $70 and didn't even know I had it I'm ok with trading for gold.

We all believe in Elohim. Problem is too many believe that they themselves are Elohim. Others believe in the Elohim they call Nothing. Unfortunately few believe Yahoushua is Elohim.
Atheists have much more faith than I do. Yahoushua has proven his existence to me, spoken to me, written to me, died for me, Loves me, etc etc. Atheists on the other hand have to believe and have faith that nothing is what started everything and somehow simple math is a lie. 0=Infinity (everything came from nothing?) and cannot be proven as nothing cannot be proven. So when atheists talk about nothing while proving nothing they somehow think I am the uneducated one because I believe the truth over the lie of their "god" nothing.

You know an analogous situation must have happened with the quran at some point in history. Thus by your own logic making the quran also true. How do you reconcile the fact that both are true at the same time?

I did tell him, he went to the bar and now attends 12-step meetings.

;)

I can reconcile that "fact" for you right now.... Followers of the Bible are willing to LOSE their life so they can gain it, however followers of the quran are willing to take lives for their belief. Therefore they go hand in hand and it still proves the Bible true.

You evidently have not read the book you follow!

Allow me to acquaint you with a few of the less well-known verses of that mouldy old tome:

"Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

    Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)"

"Death for Adultery

    If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.  (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)"

"Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

    Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."  (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)"

"Kill Sons of Sinners

    Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and possess the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.  (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)"

You were saying...............????????????????????

Just aksing.

My $.02.

;)

How does the willingness to die for a belief prove that the belief is true?

Wow. Some christians are willing to die for their book, some christians are willing to kill for their book, some christians are willing to die or kill for their book, some muslims willing to die for their book, some musilms are willing to kill for their book, some muslims are willing to die or kill for their book. I think all of these facts are pretty obvious to most people.

My point was just that some people take this supposed "fairytale" pretty seriously to be willing to die for it.  Not that someone willing to die for something proves it is true.  It should prove that there is more to it though and at least be respected if you don't want to believe it.

You are getting rid of your BTC?  I am not sure if BTC is the mark but I think you are right that our addresses will be controlled at some point. The mark will come because governments cannot control the use of BTC. Once it becomes mainstream they will panic because they will lose control.  Governments want control of our money.  So some brilliant leader will come up with a way to "unify" the world but require everyone to get marks so they can track all purchases.  It seems logical doesn't it?  That is when things will get crazy.  It isn't popular to be a Christian now in some places.  Just think how crazy we will look when we are the only ones on earth that are not willing to take the mark?  There may be some people that don't want to just because they are true Libertarians but there will be many people that even call themselves Christians that will make some of us feel stupid for not just giving in and taking it.

All of this said, I don't see why you are in such a hurry to sell your BTC now.  I think we will have some warning that governments are about to mandate this sort of thing and BTC will have to be a bit more mainstream.

I am curious how you think the QR codes will be the mark?  I think it will be a standard barcode.  Mostly because almost all cash registers in the world are set up to scan them already.  Maybe they will tattoo a QR code and a barcode? 

Hitler, Goebbels and Goring were willing to die for Nazism.

By your logic " It should prove that there is more to it though and at least be respected if you don't want to believe it."

It will be a great day for the world when humanity, if ever, realises that there is no need for made-up gods and superstition.

My $.02.

;)

B is it for Bit or Beast?
If the QR code is the 2D version I believe it will be that. The regular bar code is already decoded by 666. It is the predecessor, but it is also connected. QR code is still bar code in practice just allows more information in the same size area. With that said it could even be an actual RFID chip that is connected to the QR code attached to the SS# etc. Standard bar code isn't "safe" enough can be copied etc. however an RFID chip implanted would appear at least appear to be uncopyable and safe. This is exactly what is happening and is completely predicted by Yehoushua Ha Mashiyach. Made up fairy tales hardly predict the future by over 2000 years. Scoffers and mockers however have been around since the fall. They who believe the lies hate the truth. Wake up and come out of the matrix.

That thou shalt set apart unto the YHWH all that openeth the MATRIX, and every firstling that cometh of a beast which thou hast; the males shall be the YHWH'S. ( Exodus 13:12 )

I will make sure not to take a QR code, barcode or any code on my hand or forehead or chip for that matter!  It is interesting though.  I never really thought about barcodes having a connection to QR codes though but I can see that it was a predecessor for sure.

To me it is a huge faith builder that the Bible even predicts that people will be using a "number" to buy and sell.  How could John even think of such a thing when he was given the book of Revelation?  Pretty cool really!

Dont think ill really need a tattoo, ill just get an app on my phone.. :)  Funny tough, first the conspiracy follweres came down on Bitcoin, now the religious fanatics... We must really be unto something here! :))

Btw.... any1 seen the movie, Robin Hood, me in tights   ?  Immediately sprang to mind when reading the name John...

King Richard: From this day forth, all the toilets in the kingdom shall be known as... john's!
Crowd: [cheers]

I am glad YHWH has given you eyes that see. The mark is the point of no return. RFID chips have been proven to have cyanide attached to it to kill the "slave" who is disobedient. They emit Radio Frequencies that cause cancer and death. The boils talked about in Revelation BTW. RFID chips also have been shown as a way to control the body and mind and cause the host to commit murder etc. This is just like the movie matrix even when anyone can be a threat at any time / be controlled by an "agent" etc. these agents are demonic being using technology as control etc. I am versed enough in biblical knowledge and know what the world is up to. It's not hard to see through the false veils created by the enemy.

Here is the "plan". BTC comes out is worth next to nothing. It is nothing and only has value based on perception. Silk road gets jacked of who knows how much BTC and shut down. Feds are now in huge supply of BTC market. China is buying like crazy and they hate the constitution/ etc. Those who have BTC will continue to get huge ROI and all appears to be fine and dandy. Another false flag terrorist event somehow connecting BTC then causes a forced regulation by the EU (1 world government) in which the only way to now access your account is take the RFID chip. Money fiat fails and is worthless and you are given a choice. Take the chip and access riches beyond measure, or don't take it and don't access your wallet * aka you can't buy sell or trade(at least not permitted to). 9/10 wouldn't even think twice about taking it.

ad homonym anyone? I know you "intellects" know what that means as I see it's what you have been doing.
BTW meelvanchris his name is not "john" it's Yochanon and you literally did an ad homonym. Why are you attacking the name john and ignoring the truth? Oh it's because you believe a lie.

Cyanide in RFID chips?  I am not sure I would go to that extreme but I guess we can wonder.

Regardless the best strategy is to just avoid any mark on our hands to buy and sell.  Everything else is not so sure is it?  You don't want to "predict" outcomes only to be disappointed when things don't happen exactly as you suspect.  I guess I get a little frustrated with all the end-times books out there (such as the Left Behind Series) that predict that things in Revelation will happen in a certain way.  Revelation is a hard book to understand.  We like to add things to it or imagine things happening in a certain way but until that day comes we will not know for sure what it will look like. 

On a side note the FBI is planning on selling off the coins so I am not sure about your theory of the FEDs having so much BTC.  I suppose they could keep confiscating it and end up with more that way but I don't think the FEDs will control BTC.  They will just try to control the people that have the "uncontrollable" BTC. 

Cyanide is in the chips not speculation rather fact. I only wish the predictions (not mine) weren't true, but what disappoints is how it is true and how many buy into the lie. I don't read end time books I read the bible. Revelations is easy to understand just look at the world around you. I do not however know the time or the hour. I do know however the season we are end and what YHWH has proven to be true.
FBI I wasn't accusing of controlling the market as much as stealing potentially millions of BTC (acquired for free) then selling them while market is high turning millions of BTC into potentiality billions of USD unaccountable to the people to be spent on secret wars etc. like all drug money.

On a side note I've noticed the trolling attacks have stopped since calling out the ad homonym tactics of attacking the person and ignoring the truth and the subject. Sad moderators put this in off topic when this all is completely relevant to BTC, but then again if BTC is the mark why would they want this info on the main BTC board where it is easily found to be read?

I am saying YHWH is kadosh and his commandments are for our benefit not his. You have failed in your quotes to mention the result of the disobedience of the children of Israel for not listening. They fell into the nations idolatrous ways and were brought into Babylon and scattered to the ends of the earth to be slaves to a people in whom they do not know and worship false gods that are not theirs. Until this very day YHWH has been regathering the lost sheep if Israel who love him and his Torah and keep it. You also conveniently forgot the multiple cases where Yahoushua said let he who be without sin cast the first stone, had compassion on the adulterers, ate with the sinners, became our most high priest and the perfect atonement so that anyone including you who chooses to accept him can be forgiven and given the gift of eternal life, the gift non of us deserve (why it's called grace).

What are you even asking? BTW you and Obama can keep your "change" ;)

Well, I guess I shouldn't underestimate what governments can do.  Cyanide seems crazy but can you imagine if they did something like that?  Talk about scary.  What if the computer system got hacked then?  Peoples lives (to clarify- whoever allows a chip to be implanted) more than just their credit, would be in danger.  I would think this would cause an uproar and people would figure it out, but I guess people don't always think for themselves.

I was not saying that you read end times books.  I was just commenting that many people do, myself included, and I find myself having to "cleanse" my mind in a way of the stuff that is added to the Bible.  The only thing that matters is what is in there.  The rest is just fantasy, or the "fairy tales" that have already been brought up here. ;)

It is fun chatting with you Cobragt427.

I know quite a bit bout the bible as well, had bible school every Tuesday and Thursday. And the only thing it really taught me is that the bible is a contradiction of itself. God is love, but read the story's and he is painted out to be the most vengeful out there. In telling the storys the message got lost. So i follow my own path. But all that is besides the point.

As for your RFID chip, the name itself says it already,  ID chip. Would make more sense that they would force it on you as ID not link it to BTC. Where i live already cannot get a passport without giving fingerprint) So personally makes much more sense to me to fight that when it comes.

And yes, the central banks cannot and will not have BTC as a shareholder in value creator, But for now they have little choice. They could however buy up all the bitcoins, dump m all together.create a flood and make value extremly low. Rinse and repeat as they have done before trough out the course of history and thus destroying value. There is a reason Satoshi is nowhere to be found. I would imagine people out there would really love to get into his head to find flaws in the system.

However, there are way more coins then just bitcoins. And you and I must not and cannot forget it is that this is our (community) central bank now, our stock exchange.  We decide value. We just have to try to distance ourselfs more from the currencys of the central banks and start trading more among st each other. value for value and back. That way no central bank in the world can have a monopoly on any coin. If money is power, take away the money and replace it with value.

So yes i do try to make light of the situation cause i dont believe it is the time to panic. If i must make a statement then i would state to not hide but spread the word. Buy second hand stuff and ask them if they accept, bitcoins, lightcoins, feathercoins, whatever coin... Tell people around you about digital coins. The worst you can accomplish is to make m think and google it and that is a pretty good start. If you truly believe that its time to panic and that the government is out to get BTC.Then i would say,
1, Government is not in control of money, central banks are.
2, If the bitcoin network is already 100derds of times greater then the worlds top computers combined. what does that say about they people behind m?
3, Revolutions won in history, were fought by the masses going up against the established powers, they were always outgunned, but they had numbers.
4 If you truly believe what you say, Buck up, convert your 2nd amendment right onto the digital world, and protect what is yours!

Well, he did die for the world, and they did reject him. You'd be sad too.

I know things are serious when someone turns to Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Let's be honest, God was vengeful and strict. These laws applied to the house of Israel via Abraham's covenant. There was no compromise. Any sin required atonement via a living sacrifice, for the wages of sin is death.

In fact these laws still apply today. So, how can one comply? Well the result is always failure. Therefore, we live under grace of a living sacrifice to atone for our sins. God sent his only begotten Son as a living sacrifice to fulfil the requirements of the law.

As I said, God chooses who he loves and who he destroys. It is his prerogative. You would do the same for anyone living under your house. The universe is governed. There is order. However, there is also compassion and grace for those who wish to escape the law of sin and death.

If there is no belief in an afterlife, then it is only logical to maximise the utility of this life. As the world we currently live in is finite, there will surely be insufficient resources. How will that be a great day for your descendants or for humanity?

This is interesting. I would add that in future, your private key will most likely be linked to your DNA. To enable a spend, both will be required.

In the future it is likely that all computer systems will be decentralised. It will be run by a protocol, which people will trust. It would be probably impossible to hack such a system but a government may force all transactions to be verified with a private key linked to DNA. There will be privacy protocols but all transactions will require such a mark.

Well Lloydie you are correct about most things you have said. There is nothing far fetched or sci fi about this conversation even though only 3 years ago this conversation would be conspiracy and sci fi at best, however as it is all unfolding it no longer is sci fi but reality.

meelvanchris I am very sorry to hear about you going to bible school. Bible school contradicts the bible ;). They carefully teach you how to misinterpret the bible. Seminary is a part of the system and I have not met a single person who has gone to seminary who knows the word of YHWH. They know a lot about twisting scripture and rewritting the bible, but that is completely against the bible. They know a lot about man made theology and philosophy that contradicts YHWH and when YHWH doesn't fit their preconceived notion of who he is they write off YHWH as contradicting himself when only it is we who contradict ourselves and HIM.

We all have a master and we all go to work for him. Both masters eagerly await our work and desire to pay our wages. One master offers us gifts beyond measure that we can never deserve and the only stipulation is receive. The other master lies offering materialism beyond measure that is limited finite and temporary in exchange for your wages eternal death.
The first master says Yahoushua is the path, the second says you can take ANY path EXCEPT Yahoushua, you chose your master and you chose your wages

I have real eyes
that realize
real lies

Forgive my ignorance on how the other two names you mentioned may have been willing but I would like to correct you at least about Hitler and his being a coward who was NOT willing to die for his "belief" of nazism. You are intentionally deceiving people now, but I will keep giving you the truth over your lies. Hitler was a jew and a coward. By his own account he should have committed suicide the second he accepted nazism as by his own definition he was jewish. Contradiction 1. Secondly in regards to willing to die... lol I'm pretty sure only one of two events happened. Upon him losing the war he committed suicide like a little coward aka not willing to be tried publicly and die for what he believes in unlike believers of YHWH. Option 2 it was a double who he shot in the head while he escaped to look like a suicide EITHER WAY he was a coward and was NOT willing to die for what he believed in. Committing suicide as an escape to NOT be scrutinized for what you believe DOES NOT constitute Hitler was willing to die for what he believed.

It will be a great day for humanity when the world, which it will, will have to bow down and every tongue confess that there is YHWH, that he is love, and that he has loved us.

Please like I said before you and Obama can keep your "change" keep your $.02

So you think all Bible schools are the same?  I think that there are some very good ones out there.  I went to a Christian college and loved my Bible teachers.  They really challenged me to take off my American English speaking glasses that I wear and read the Bible for what it really says, not for what we see because of the world view we personally have.  My husband even learned Biblical Greek there so he could read the Bible for what it really says and better understand what the original manuscripts were trying to tell us.  So I think making blanket statements that "Bible School Contradicts the Bible" is a little extreme don't you?  There are some great ones out there.  Sure there are some that are not so good to but not all are the same.

But I agree that we do have to choose which master we work for.  Some people think that they only serve themselves, but that is the exactly what Satan wants and in doing so are serving him, perhaps ignorantly.

By your own admission yes I say all Bible schools contradict the bible. You say that they taught you to read it for what it is. Can I ask you a few questions? Do you wear tzitzit? Do you cover your head? Do you think the torah and the "new" testament are 2 books or all the bible is one? Do you believe in Yahoushua or do you still call him the blasphemous Zeus name of Je Zues? I only ask if "school" taught you anything about these things at all or conveniently ignored it all? do you celebrate blasphemous christmas and ishtar easter? All of these are encouraged by "bible"school. I don't think it's extreme that the bible is written in ancient pictograph and paleo hebrew while the new testament is written also in either hebrew or aramaic but yet "school" taught you greek is the original text (lies) and now your husband knows the language of idolatrous polytheistic philosophers who hate YHWH and his word and seek to "rationalize" him out of existence and making doctrines of men over the word of YHWH.

The lie of getting you to learn greek the helenistic people who are responsible for destroying the Torah and YHWH's word while getting you to worship zues on the day of sun while deceiving you and hiding behind the YHWH of the bible is more than enough evidence for me to boldly say with all authority that yes ALL Bible schools contradict the bible as the rouch ha kodesh is our teacher and Yahoushua says no man is over another yet "school" has it's system of man's authority that cares about titles degrees and stature instead of truth of YHWH.
Are you starting to see any contradictions yet? Also what fruit do these schools produce. People like Meelvanchris who went there and learned from contradicting men that somehow YWHW contradicted himself? Or you and your husband who believe greek has to do with YHWH when his kadosh tongue is hebrew? aleph beyt vs alphabet.

Somehow this thread has devolved into a dumber debate than it started out as...

Wow.  I am not sure where to start with all of that.

In reading the Bible I have come to realize that some of the "rules" such as head coverings for women were a cultural thing.  A woman without a head covering back then would be sending a message, much like a woman with fish net stockings on a street corner would be now.  If I walk around Los Angeles without a head covering but I am modestly dressed no one will think I am prostituting myself based on that would they?  We have to look at many things when studying the Bible, especially the culture.  Also, I understand how the English language has been influenced by false religions but does that mean when I celebrate "Easter" that I am not celebrating the true meaning?  Just because language has influenced our culture does not mean that I need to go around using different words.  God looks at our hearts.  He knows what our intentions are.  His grace is certainly big enough for that!

I have learned that we can get caught up in rules and technicalities and it can become a bit legalistic.  We need to focus on loving God with all our hearts and loving our neighbor as ourselves. 

Having grown up in a pretty strict religious home I have learned to take Ecclesiastes 7:16 to heart, "Be not overly righteous, and do not make yourself too wise. Why should you destroy yourself?"  I used to focus on the "righteous" part a little too much.  Now I think about the verses of how "A wise man avoids all extremes and be all things to all men that you might win some" to give myself a better perspective on how to live. 

First, I laughed.

Then, after realizing this thread wasn't intended as a joke, and many of the people in it actually believe this stuff, I stopped laughing.

Then, after seeing people complimenting each others' intelligence, I started laughing again.

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

;)

ah once again the self proclaimed intellectual trolls have resorted to ad homonym yet again. Your "intelligence" has no rebuttals so instead you resort to child like name calling. Sadly your ad homonyms work for the majority of sheep who think similar to you and boast about their tolerance vs "religious intolerance" ironic. In your "tolerance" you don't tolerate people who think "differently" "religious" because you claim they themselves are intolerant.... MAKES YOU WONDER, DOESN'T IT?

I love the double irony of you keep saying this.

I'm glad someone got the humour behind it. Seriously though let's quit with the ad homonyms and stick to the message and stop attacking the messenger.

(1) That should read "Ad Hominem", not "ad homonym".

(2) Although I consider most religious types to be batshit crazy, I did not call you any names; name calling being the basis for an AD HOMINEM claim, so you may put that one where the Sun doesn't shine, as it were.  Red Herring, maybe but certainly not "AD HOMINEM"!

Now, please allow me to digress and get full-bore AD HOMINEM on you so that you can see just how it is done!

I consider religious types to be superstitious, primitive in their thinking, possibly deranged to an astonishing degree and in need of therapy, medication or both.  Religious types have started more wars than anything but political types and there may be some doubt that politicians are ahead!

Religious typoes believe that "My god is better than your god!" so they advocate for killing non-believers in scroes, droves and millions!

Religious types tell us that their god is a "loving god", while their mouldy tomes tell us of the many, many occasions on which the so-called "loving god" has murdered by the gazillions.

In short, religious types represent the single greatest danger to the future of human kind and should be watched closely.

My $.02.

;)

I guess I will apologize for the website autocorrect changing ad hominem to homonym.
I accept your comments on your religious views. Your religion is accepted by many and many share the same faith as you. Hitler the coward and many other anti christs all agree with you. In short your theological doctrine you blindly follow is widely accepted, problem is you cannot see that you are following religion yourself. So basically every single accusation you have made also equally if not greater than apply to you and your religion as well.
I find no coincidence in your use of the word murder yet clearly if anything a court of law would view it as self defense. YHWH retaliating against nimrod for example when he built the tower of babel and tried to shoot YHWH with an arrow (who's crazy now?) YHWH simply confused the tongue. When the innocence of the world was taken and children were being raped and brought up to rape other innocent children yes he destroyed those disgusting abominable acts. Problem is you are so wrapped up in sin you cannot think clearly. I accept your attacks at religion as I do not follow religion, but have you looked in the mirror and realized you are the one following religion?

ALL HAIL THE PNP TRANSISTOR!

;P

I've thought about this. There are two characteristics that the biblical currency needs to have: 1. Controlled (like the dollar) and 2. Globally accepted (where bitcoin is going). So far no currencies qualify.

gold

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-17/german-gold-manipulation-blowback-escalates-deutsche-bank-exits-gold-price-fixing

A "biblical currency"?

WOO HOO!

My $.02.

;)

You are correct but fail to see how bitcoin is all of the above, just not fully shown for what it is. Globally accepted safe to say we all agree it is going/ almost achieved one world currency status. The first issue of control does not show it's ugly head until AFTER another "false flag terrorist" attack. It will be linked to BTC and will be used to create the outcry for control on BTC. Solution is take a single wallet address that is "tattoo" or injected in the right hand and access all BTC. This of course takes place after fiat is officially dead so choice of red pill or blue pill? Take the mark and be rich or deny the mark and be cut off from all buying selling and trading with the "civilized" mark accepting society. I tend to agree with the other theory that the DNA will also be attached with the SS# etc authenticating all transactions by biometric confirmations. We all see how fiat is controlled problem is most will not see how BTC is controlled and who really controls it until it is too late.
The feds murder people for MUCH LESS than taking away all their power and control of central banking/ fiat currency. NO WAY they are not in on this as they have already had several meetings to discuss BTC already. Do you REALLY think they would sit back and let it happen if it wasn't inevitably a trap?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Bitcoin is nowhere near achieving the status you delusional nutjobs have convinced yourselves it has reached.  If anything, Bitcoin is receding in popularity, and will continue to do so as more people see the insane fantasyland most people involved with crypto believe they are living in.

I realize your desire-for-money receptors have forcibly disabled your logic centers, but come on...

fail

please note that the 6 bar has a slightly thicker left side than the right where as the two thin lines are read as a blank

What number on the barcode is the most similar to the spacing lines?  It looks more like a 6 than any other number though.

The way that god demonstrates his love is through his people. By flaming (intentionally or otherwise) them you could be doing the opposite of god's intention. Let's be understanding and tolerant, even as god was forgiving of our sins.  In Jude, the archangel refused to condemn satan himself. The most that Michael would say is "may The Lord rebuke you." Therefore, let's be careful in calling anyone a coward, whether it is the truth or not. It is not our place to judge as humans on this planet.

Yes. This is true. Religious types are guilty of many of those things you say. So how does one distinguish a religious person from a god fearing person?  The religious person attacks. The god fearing person is understanding. At the end, religion is a personal experience IMHO therefore there is no good in asserting the superiority of a personal faith.

You are also right about debates. I don't see how it is fruitful to have damaging debates over who is right because none of us truly know. We are all believers by faith. Who has actually seen god or heaven?

God is love but as mentioned before, god chooses those whom he loves and those whom he wishes to destroy. He is god and does as he wishes. Life is for him to give or takeaway. Even you yourself will choose what to accept and what you wish to discard.

God is infinite love but the law of sin and death still applies. If you wish to approach god, do so humbly with an attitude of reverence. God loves a humble spirit and he will knock down those who are arrogant by allowing them to become more arrogant and satisfied in their own thinking. He will cause them to be blind, so that their own actions condemn themselves. I pray to escape such a fate myself.

Whatever is the case. No one can deny that it is now technologically feasible to satisfy revelations 13:17.  Where before we could use cash to avoid such a law, in a bitcoin protocol world, every single transaction can be tracked.

I suspect that control won't come from the protocol itself. The control will come from laws that implement scanners which require a private key plus ID proof (maybe fingerprint but eventually DNA). One reason for this could be to "prevent terrorism".

We are many years from that day but no one can deny that the technology exists today. Already I note that people are producing encrypted private keys using the grain of wood as the encoding mechanism. Soon it will be fingerprints then the next step is to use DNA.

As you yourself know, all the Ten Commandments are encompassed by the first two. Why complicate matters with schools, head covering and language? Your way is not the only way.

Love your God and your neighbour, these are the greatest of all commands. The son of god fulfilled these commands.

Let's be clear that god has the power to create new covenants. It is not for man to limit god. Also, let's be honest and acknowledge that the house of Israel has failed to abide by the laws handed down to them.

I see no problems with the concept of a living sacrifice. I see it is as an ongoing solution to an ongoing problem.

Lloydie is spot on. 100% agreed accept it's not a new covenant it was the exact same covenant from Genesis at the fall he prophesied the redemption and his overcoming Satan and the world of sin.
Other than that I don't follow my own way but I follow YHWH's way. We are each to find our way to do that, but I must go as it is now Sabbath. Shabbot Shalom.

I think I'll go out and sacrifice a goat or maybe a chicken.

;)

That's part of it. But first we are required to purify ourselves. Then we require a priest from the Levites to intercede on our behalf. Even then the sacrifice is not perfect. Just FYI.

We chose a chicken but rather than just burn it up on the altar of sacrifice, we basted it, put it on the grille, cooked it up nicely, after which we served it up with salad, chips and beer.

;)

Fair enough. Enjoy this life as much as you can. It is only logical. After the meal, one finds hunger again not long after. There is a time for everything. Unfortunately, man's days on earth are numbered. Who has managed to avoid death?

Well, no one avoids death but that's not what we're writing about.

Hey, one of the folks at the BBQ today suggested that for next Shabbot, instead of goat or chicken, we round up some Long Pig.  Said Long Pig is a traditional sacrifice in many religious community, including Judaism and Christianity but I've not heard of it.

Long Pig, that is.

Can you help me out?

:)

Well some think of their immediate needs whilst others of things beyond. Some fill their stomachs without dealing with the emptiness of the soul. There is more to this world than just satisfying our earthly needs. For those that seek, they shall find. Yet others consume in accordance with their desires. If that is you, so be it. On the day of judgement all will be held to account for every action and every word. If you think, you are provoking me then that is not correct. You seek to hurt but instead I pray that god will have mercy on you. As to Long Pig, that is an evil that should not be mentioned. By your own actions you demonstrate to everyone the workings of your mind.

How is the world a better place without god and even religion? Will it be filled with people like you? What is to say that what you do is right or wrong? Who is to judge that? Will you expose the evil of Long Pig to your children and grandchildren? What gives you the right to do that to others? You criticise god fearing people for extremism, yet three fingers point back at you.

^^^^ THIS with the exception of long pig. I don't know what it is but based on the previous comments from that person I'm sure it has nothing to do with YHWH or his followers. Probably another ad hominem but I'm not looking it up to know for sure.

Whatever is the case. No one can deny that it is now technologically feasible to satisfy revelations 13:17.  Where before we could use cash to avoid such a law, in a bitcoin protocol world, every single transaction can be tracked.

I suspect that control won't come from the protocol itself. The control will come from laws that implement scanners which require a private key plus ID proof (maybe fingerprint but eventually DNA). One reason for this could be to "prevent terrorism".

We are many years from that day but no one can deny that the technology exists today. Already I note that people are producing encrypted private keys using the grain of wood as the encoding mechanism. Soon it will be fingerprints then the next step is to use DNA.

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your assuming that all other currencies are rejected worldwide and bitcoin emerges the dominant and sole means of currency with that.... which i really dont think is that likely as long as there is real and solid GOLD SILVER AND OTHER PRECIOUS METALS available on the planet.

your assuming that all other currencies are rejected worldwide and bitcoin emerges the dominant and sole means of currency with that.... which i really dont think is that likely as long as there is real and solid GOLD SILVER AND OTHER PRECIOUS METALS available on the planet.
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I agree which is why the government will ONCE AGAIN STEAL everyone's precious metals and "pay a fair price for it". This is not a theory but history repeating itself. I believe it was Roosevelt who last confiscated all the gold. What makes you think they wouldn't do it again?

I got some bad news for you.

The US Dollar is probably the most universally accepted currency on the planet.

Why not take your primitive, bronze age superstitous crap elsewhere?

My $.02.

:(

This is true.  But it will be something like this: "Sir, please scan your right forearm here so we can buy that gold from you."

It is not inconceivable that every baby will have its DNA stored on a decentralised protocol for id purposes.  The justifications are; the protocol is decentralised so no one controls it, it will be pseudonymous or even private, it will ensure that the person transacting is the right person. 

So for a transaction to occur, you would need your private key plus your dna signature. 

In theory it should not be particularly impossible to recognize individuals by their genetics then all kinds of interesting things become possible.  Among them, designing something like a 100% mortality illness to which only a specific individual was susceptible.  In that case it would be fairly straightforward to issue and execute capital punishment order without the hassle of trying to round someone up.

A slight modification would be to have a cure for the otherwise terminal illness in which case anyone who was wanted by the authorities would be pretty likely to turn himself/herself in.  Should they still refuse to do so the problem will solve itself.

Of course what we'll need is a fairly complete catalog of every individual's genetic material and a reasonable mapping...I'm sure nobody is working on that.

(Oh ya...best not to be an identical twin if it can be avoided...)

Whoa... I'll counter that with genetic engineering via gene doping. 

Every dark line in a UPC code represents a 1 and every space represents a 0.  Thicker dark lines represent 2 or more 1's and wider spaces represent 2 or more 0's.  The three guard patterns are 101 in binary.  They not only do what has been previously mentioned but they set the timing for the scan giving the reader the width of a 1.  101 is 5 in decimal but we are using binary here and so we count from zero.  101 is the 6th digit in binary.  These guard patterns of 101 are the only thing that never change in a UPC mark.  Even on the abbreviated 1/2 UPC, they are read three times, left, center (end), then left again.  Always 6th, 6th, 6th.

Yeap... and this is how someone can have a serious conversation about bitcoin and the devil.  Grin
"Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God."

What is the mark of beast? Sorry ;D

The number "666", although even 555 will do when you are looking really hard for it.

Good question, sounds like some psycho talk.

Something religious, satanic. i think.
I'm not an expert in religiousness.

The only thing i know is that a guy named jebus ate some shrooms couple of thousand years ago, the feds busted him and he died.
the end.

Probably trolling but hey, here is some info: http://christianity.about.com/od/endtimestopicalstudy/a/Mark-Of-The-Beast.htm

It is certainly something everyone should think about, regardless of your beliefs. Maybe right now you think it is crazy but when the start putting marks on people's hands or foreheads hopefully this will make us all pause and reflect before actually allowing a mark to be put on us. 

The what? Who will start? Green people from space? Wtf did I just read  ???

For sure.

not going anywhere.......

Typo of course.  I meant to say, "When they start."  However, it could be a single entity.  At some point down the line governments will not like the fact that the power is in the hands of the people.  If banks have no control over how money is spent and the governments are no longer able to control the banks, or vice versa, something will happen to change that.  Putting a mark to buy or sell on people seems like a plausible solution doesn't it?  Even if you don't agree with what the Bible says it should at least raise some eyebrows.  It seems very profound to me that when John was given the book of Revelation something like this was even foreseen so long ago.  

I don't find this profound.  People managing animal herds have marked individuals to help with various kinds of tracking and make rational decisions about how to cull the herd and so forth.  Slavery was common in John's time and slaves were often marked.  I think it a fair statement that many people in the higher positions of authority see 'the masses' as being more akin to livestock to be managed (and often enough, exploited) than to 'peers' in a traditional sense.  Having them 'marked' makes sense to anyone who has been involved with or considered the mechanics of herd management.  One of the authors of the bible was careful to stipulate 'free-men and bonds-men' as I recall (not a bible scholar) which I though was notable.

Every individual born (except identical twins) comes with their own high quality markers built in in the form of DNA and the various manifestations of it (e.g., fingerprints, retina patterns, facial features, etc.)  A more convenient interface (a mark or chip) would be nice but not necessary.  One of the Manning documents referenced a directive for state department officials to obtain genetic material samples from foreigners with positions in their respective governments.  That was something like a decade ago.  That there were robust efforts to develop a worldwide database of DNA samples at that time is pretty interesting.  Interesting mostly that the effort and technology existed, but secondarily interesting since obtaining biometric evidence is typically something that intelligence personal would be charged with and it is risky for non-intelligence personal to engage in such activity.  So, it must have been considered a very high value operation.