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This thread is to gauge interest in a group buy for the VX Miners VX-1 Miner. I WILL NOT BE COLLECTING ANY FUNDS until i see if we can fill all 50 slots in the group buy, at which time i will make an announcement that all 50 slots were filled and payment will be due within 72 hours.

The miner specs can be found here: http://www.vxminers.com & shipping is still estimated for early to mid March (its contingent on when the bitfury chips ship if i understand correctly)

I am not the one making the units, i am just the one who tried to negotiate the best deal i could for the forum, as you read you will quickly learn i am not the worlds best negotiator.

The price of the unitis $2,550usd ( told you i am not a good negotiator )

But.................... I did manage to get us free shipping if we can take 50 units, and 1 free miner for every 50 sold, in which i will use an online service that the buyers agree on to randomly select the person who wins it. I will exclude myself from the drawing to make it fair.

I have spent about a week talking with Larry from VX miners and will be getting us some fresh pictures for this thread hopefully tomorrow. I also did speak with Nwools (Nate) to confirm that the two guys from VX Miners have been in touch with him and he did confirm that it will have native support for MultiMiner and that he will be getting 1 unit himself from them to ensure continued support with MultiMiner.

There are only about 200 units in total available, i dont want to get into the story so just read their blog.

The fine print:

A: I will be taking 2 units myself, i can do up to 5 units if it makes a difference on this group buy going through or not.

B: Larry the guy making these made it clear that they did not want to deal with any forums due to the nature of the mentality of the people who dwell in them, so please if you insist on being your usual selves, keep the trolling, accusations and all that other nonsense directed at me not them.

C: I am newer to this forum, and have never done a group buy before, If you have someone in mind that you guys would feel more comfortable with to run this, please let them and me know. I have no problem handing over the group buy to someone else the community has more trust for as long as they are still willing to raffle off the free machine to the people who bought one.

D: if you have any specific questions about anything please let me know, at current i dont know more than you guys do from looking at their website, they have not officially started advertising their website yet so i can usually get an e-mail reply from them within 24hrs to any questions. I would rather have all Q & A done publicly in this thread so the guys that are making these dont get 10,000 emails with the same questions in them.

E: They are not making a million machines, their total production capabilities are only 200 machines, if they sell over 150 of them when they launch their website ( next week once they get more pictures and video is what i was told) i will have to cancel the group buy if we did not hit 50 as it just does not seem worth it without the free shipping and someone winning a free machine.

F: Please direct any questions about the MultiMiner compatibility towards Nwools ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=248173.0 ) as he is the one who was working with these guys on its integration and support.

G: I ( or whoever finishes out the group buy) reserve the right to cancel this group buy at any time until we reach 50 units and funds are collected at which time all orders are committed and final. If you order a unit direct through their website you are not part of this group buy and will not be entered to win the free machine.

H: For international customers, i did ask the guys and they said that they bought a roll of UL and CE stickers to put on the machines somewhere for you if your country is a stickler about that stuff in customs. That does not mean they were inspected, its just a sticker and sometimes customs requires it. If you are an international customer please let me know so i can let them know when i send them the spreadsheet with all the shipping info.


If anyone wants to help me get and keep this organized until we hit 50 units please let me know, just being honest i know nothing about running a group buy more so than i needed to start a thread in this sub-category.

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Qty Left: 21

Name:                    Qty:  Paid

twib2                       1      NO
The Observer            2      NO
Anon                       1      NO
iGlasses                   1      NO
ryaner84                  1      NO
highwave                 1      NO
Jeffrey                     1     NO
Maxximus007            2      NO
peterepeat               1      NO
MWNinja                  10    NO
TerraHasher              4     NO
Anon                       4     YES

Total Reserved: 29

Group buy has been closed due to over abundance of trolls. Thank you all who were interested but the guys making the machines said no more from the forum.

Here is my analysis:

At this rate, delivery by April 1st is the cutoff point on profitability or not, assuming 1 TH and average diff increase of 25% and steady BTC price.

Factor any risks on top of this to judge the investment potential.

I could not agree with you more. I spoke at great length with these guys about this as that was one of my major concerns. They were very confident that they would make shipping by the week of March 10th. They said that the company making their PCB's and stuff have already run the boards and all they are waiting on is the Bitfury chips. From the way i understand it, the only thing that will make them miss their deadline is if Bitfury chips ship later than anticipated which given their track record i dont think will be a problem. But dont quote me on that, its just my opinion.

sounds fun

I'm interested.  I will monitor this thread and see how it develops.

Best of luck Observer...hope it works out!

ig

Piqued my interest.  If true and the timeline's true, I'd be interested in one.  Since they're using Bitfury chips, one obvious question would be whether or not they already have the chips in hand so there won't be delays relating to acquiring that many.

Thanks for the interest, i will mark you down for one.

To answer your question, they had to order the reels just like every body else, but they are already paid for and on order and will be shipping any day now just like everyone elses Bitfurys. The reason they are only able to make 200 of them is because that is all the bitfury chip reels they could buy.

The did manage to get their hands on at least 800 chips from somewhere for their 2 prototypes, i never thought to ask from where, but i know they have them because they have a picture of a mining unit running on what looks like multi-miner on their website.

One other thing - to me, it's a good sign if Nate's working with them for MM support.  I've been in contact with him a few times about his software, and he seems a good guy.

in for 1 or 2 if escrow available and hit date

lithod02,

I dont think there is a way for me to do escrow in this situation. I am not the one making the machines and in order to get the free shipping and a free miner to raffle off i have to pay them for the 50 machines.  Although i have a good chunk of bitcoin, i do not have enough to float 50 machines on escrow. I am not collecting any funds until we have hit the 50 units required for the group buy to work which could be a day, or a week from now, or maybe more, who knows. If you would like to get in on it then just give me a number of machines you would want and i will mark you down for them, If at the time we hit 50 and i start taking payments you do not feel comfortable with it then just let me know and i am sure i can find someone else to buy what you backed out of.

If it would make you guys more comfortable i could see if there is a way i could work something out with the guys making these to get a separate address from their normal payment address just for this group buy so you can pay them directly and i myself never have to hold your bitcoin.

That's cool, I understand but now it is almost required with btc for anyone that's not established so I will have to pass. Thanks

Totally understandable, Hopefully, after this one i will be a little more "established"

Free shipping worldwide or US only?

gosh, anything with delivery more than 1 month far away is like playing blackjack
without knowing the rules.
and drunk.

What will the sound level of this device be?
Suitable for home usage (like an Antminer S1) or will it be a jetfighter engine like those Avalon2 200Ghs machines?

Sorry for the delay S4VV4S, i wanted to e-mail them and make sure before i answered your question. It WILL be free world wide shipping for the group buy


Jeffrey, the reply i received is below in direct quote from Larry at VX Miners, i hope that is what you were asking, if i missed something in translation dont be afraid to let me know, it only takes me 5 minutes to send them an e-mail, and normally less than 24hrs to hear back.

" We use the ultra quiet 120mm Corsair fans which make next to no noise, although i do not want to tell you they are totally silent as the fan in the PUS does make a little bit of noise, but its not near as loud as the units from china."

Snagged a few photos from the guy's at VX Miners and put them up for those of you on the list already.

observer put me down for one.
 :)

Got you on the list mate. Was just reading their blog and saw they managed to get 1.2 TH/s on overclock with an upgraded PSU. 3 GH/s is impressive for a Bitfury Chip. I'm so glad that Nwools decided to offer native support for their VX-1 miner with his Multi Miner software. THANKS NWOOLS if you ever read this :)

My pleasure - though the team at VX Miners did the heavy lifting for VX-1 support  :)

So far all I see is a 4u server case that anyone can buy.  Its even setting in the what looks like the corner of a bedroom, laundry basket and all.

How about showing the case open, so we can see the actual miner card(s).

For a start of a business, it sure looks poor.

Whois info from http://whois.domaintools.com/vxminers.com :Domain Name: vxminers.com
Registry Domain ID: 1844163866_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
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Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2015-01-25T01:50:19Z
Registrar: Melbourne IT Ltd
Registrar IANA ID: 13
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Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +61.386242300
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Bitcoin Society
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Registrant Street: PO Box 61359
Registrant City: Sunnyvale
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So a little online research and we find that the above PO Box and phone number have been used in many scams in the past:

http://community.verizonwireless.com/thread/802295

http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-510-595-2002

http://www.callercomplaints.com/SearchResult.aspx?Phone=800-140-1349

http://www.scamwarners.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=27100

http://local.yahoo.com/info-100394605-adventurous-adult-sunnyvale?csz=Sunnyvale%2C+CA

http://www.dbo.ca.gov/ENF/pdf/2010/MihilliN_DR.pdf

Looks to much like a scam to me.

Thanks for your feedback. I knew it was only a matter of time, and its totally fine. Just a few things i would like to point out to you, not trying to change your opinion or anything, but if we are going to go down this road now i think we might as well be sure to get the facts straight.

1: The PO box listed belongs to Yahoo, which is a reseller of domains for Melbourne IT. It took me 2 minutes on google to find that out. It seems everyone thinks they are a super slueth because they can do a WhoIs lookup on a domain these days.

2: If you took a minute to read anything on their website before trying to be the hero where you most certainly will fail here, they are not a "business" nor do they have any interest in being a company. Its 2 guys in their garages who got sick of the big companies waiting games and crap customer service. It's just my opinion but after the months of overnight super companies with their 2nm miracle miners, or the big companies with the never ending guessing game of when will i get my equipment, I am glad to see the little guy fight back. Even if they are only making 200 machines.

3: If in fact it is a scam, then they sure wasted a ton of money with advanced circuits having them make a ton of PCB's for their vaporware as you want to imply, they also wasted even more time working with Nwoolls to integrate their device drivers and features into his software.

4: If you take even a minute to read through anything on their site (which it's obvious you have not ), they have been pretty honest and straight forward about their intentions, who they are, and what they are doing. They are no big business, and dont even refer to themselves as a company. It's their "project" to beat the odds.

5: Yeah, i dont really have anything for 5, except every group buy or new miner is going to have a few accusations, many of them legit. I am sure you didnt look too much further than a whois domain lookup or any of my own activity at all, but if you had, you would have found that i was the one who verified the CTS miner was a scam. For you to think that i would stake my reputation on this forum, with me being so new, on a product i did not dig a mile deep into, would be pure insanity.

In closing, i understand and am fully aware that accusations and trolls are a part of any topic or thread on this forum, and i fully expected to get a ton of them on this thread with me being newer to the forum....... But if we are going to go down this road, can we please skip the WhoIs ninja's who spend no more than 5 minutes looking into something and think they have the magic answer. You are all very entitled to litter this thread with your blather, those of us who are here to get a good deal on hardware will manage to navigate through your litter. But if you must, please do more than 5 minutes of homework.

I did read the site and it is all just text with nothing to support any of the info.  No links, no txid's for chip purchase, nothing but words.

I would like you to prove this is a legit deal.  If so, I will be a customer and once I have ran the miner I will support it with mining facts and pics of the miner running.  But....So far, everything on the site does not bode well to this being a real miner.  

How about some photos of the miner with the case lid off while it is mining?  

There was just a 72 hr test run, where are pics or videos of this test run?

The pics of the miner components with forum user name on a piece of paper will make a lot of difference.  Pics of a generic 4u case is not proof of an asic miner.

You can change my perception of this miner with some proof.  If you do, I will create a post stating a retraction to my previous posts here.

BTW here is the info from nwoolls:

Notice the "no proof of hardware or anything of that sort".

Yeah, i'm sorry man, i'm not here as a salesman or to change your opinion. I am sure over the next week as they get things more organized i will get my hands on some better pictures and stuff, but jumping through hoops for trolls is not on my to-do list. If there is one thing i have learned in my short time here it is that trying to defend anything to trolls or the quick to accuse is just feeding them more ammo to have more stuff to blather about aimlessly. Not trying to be rude but your order is not that important to me. All i am getting out of this is about $200 in savings for shipping if i manage to get 50 orders together, and someone gets a free machine.

Just follow the thread, pictures and info will be added as i get it. Thats all i have to offer. If you dont find what you are looking for as things get updated, then dont order. I'm not taking any funds yet anyways.

To be fair I don't see any trolling or accusing.  Just a request for more information. You can't blame people for being nervous after the amount of money that has been lost to scams.

Put me down for 1 as well - Hopefully these guys can deliver on time, or deliver at all... ;D

It would be nice to see more pics/videos though...

Write me down for 1 as well.

Just curious though... I live in Europe (Netherlands to be precise) and stuff sent from China (Bitmain S1 Antminer) is quite cheap on customs. However, everything I've ordered from USA always comes with such a high amount I have to pay...

Do you already know what you'll put on the box/invoice? Which company will you use to ship the item?

The Observer has been registered for just over a month. Even if the guy is a genuine honest person, there's no way to know. You'd be crazy to part with your cash on this thread.

Got you down, Also sent Larry an e-mail asking for more pic's, He said he would have some by monday for me, also said video would be a problem, where they live at i guess they only have satellite internet and uploading video is next to impossible, but pics wont be a problem.


Got you marked down as well, He said UPS for shipping when i asked the first time, and that he bought a roll of UL and CE stickers to help the guys over seas, Customs declaration will be a $300 computer. from this group buy he said all shipping will be free. But if you would like i can inquire a little bit more for you.


In all due fairness, you have been here for a long time, and i still would have no way to know i could trust you either. Your age on this forum is not a measure of honesty. For that matter, i have worked it out with the guys at VX miners to take the payments directly so i will not be collecting or holding any funds EVER for this group buy. So if you want to troll about something, troll about making payment direct to the manufacturers who are not a part of this forum at all mainly because they dont care about it as they only have 200 machines to unload.

Age on the forum may be no guarantee of trustworthiness, but it goes a long way if you can browse over several hundred posts from a person and get a measure of their history, participation in group buys, trust status etc. The fact that you are so defensive (calling me a troll - nobody ever has before) raises even more suspicion for me. This is a typical tactic for a scammer and I have seen it used many times on the forums.

I never said you were a scammer and for all I know you are a genuine honest person. My point was that given the lack of history available on your account, new users on here (or anyone for that matter) would be crazy to trust you with thousands of pounds/dollars/whatever your flavour.

I'm not up for a big debate on it, but I've seen lots of people just disappear and leave the buyers (quite often newbies) in the lurch.

To anyone considering giving this complete stranger your cash, think.

I can agree with you on the points you made, and my apologies on branding you a troll. I guess i have just just over anticipated the normal idiots who lurk here on the forms and was quick to assume that you were one of them. I was not intending to be "defensive" more so just making my point that i really dont give a rats ass about the opinions of the typical forum troll with a hyper inflated ego, which after looking through your history i can see you are not. So again, i apologize for being so quick to jump to conclusions. You make some valid points.

Again for anyone who is still following, i have worked it out with the guys at VX miners so that if we hit the 50 unit requirement for the group buy, you will be dealing with them directly on payment so you dont have to "trust" me with your money/Bitcoin when payment comes due. Also i cannot seem to find the post about the website that Sushi used for his free miner giveaways so that we can use that same service for selecting the winner of the free miner from this group buy. If anyone could lend a hand with that i would greatly appreciate it. Being newer to the forum, i am still trying to figure out the search functions and best way to find old posts.

Thanks

It seems to me that these types of pop-up 'we have what you want' types would be well served to shoot a very short and sweet video and post on their web site/youtube showing what hardware they have, etc. 

JMO

I would tend to agree with you iglasses, i asked about pictures and a video and the guys said pictures are not a problem but video poses some issues. I guess where they live they have to use satellite internet and uploading a video even to youtube fails every time. When i lived in arizona i had satellite internet myself so i know what they are talking about so i just kind of let the video idea go although it would have made this a shit ton easier on me. Hopefully some more detailed pictures will help ease the minds of the worried.

If all else fails, i guess i just pay the $200 in shipping for my 2 machines and order from them direct by myself. Nothing ventured nothing gained i guess with this group buy, at least from my standpoint. i figured it would be hard, but not this hard. Time will tell i guess.

sorry only half watching. to search, click on the lollipop beside the search field and use google

the video thing would worry me now, they better take one and courier it to you pronto

Hey good thinking Railzand, i had never thought of that, 10 points for thinking outside the box. I will e-mail them right now.

Hi, plz put me on the list for 2. Hope they can add some more images especially from the inside. I'm in the EU, so the shipping part is kinda interesting for me. If we don't touch 50, it would be nice that they can reserve the ones from the group buy, and perhaps do something with the shipping?

One other thing, according to the website blog overclock is easy but would require an 1100 watt PSU. Would like that one installed right away. Any possibilities with that?

Thanks Maxximus, got you marked down. Will for sure be getting some pictures of the inside soon i hope. Maybe a video too if they are willing to accommodate shipping me one to upload.

As for the overclocking thing, they will only be shipping the standard configuration. They are not a big outfit and not equipped to do much more than offer different color LED's in their fans and thats only because they had to order different colors to get enough fans. They already ordered all the PSU's for the units and shelled out what i would think is a ton of money just to make 250 units total with 200 for sale. From what i understand its as easy as unplugging the 24 pin from the original PSU and plugging in the new one. If getting the PSU is a concern for you, i might be able to help. I am going to be ordering mine from tiger direct for my units and might be able to order an extra pair for you and ship them to you if Tiger or nobody will deliver directly to you.

Well, 10 units spoken for is not a bad start i guess, but at the current rate / day i dont think we will get 50 before they dont have 50 to sell. These guys might be S.O.L from this forum, not that i think they cared anyways. I was shocked that they did not do their own group buy thing here, well not really shocked, more so curious to a point. From what i have read in the past month i guess it is a serious headache to deal with some people on the forum.

If push comes to shove and we are not near 50 when they get below 100 left, how many of you guys would still buy one direct from them if they still offered free shipping without the chance at winning a free miner? I want to have a contingency plan if we dont hit the target so you guys who took the time and interest in them still get some sort of a deal and it never hurts to ask them if they would still work with us.

Please put me down for 1 if it includes shipping to Australia.
Thanks

Thanks mate, got you marked down. and it does include shipping to pretty much anywhere that UPS delivers.

Thanks for your explanation about the PSU, it's not a big problem to arrange the bigger ones, it's just a waste of a perfectly good one ;)..
As someone wrote before, even the raffle is not there, count me in. Would order more, but the one time drop shipping and the short time frame for ordering is holding me back.

To me personally, it looks like a legit offer! I've ordered a miner from a so called 'big player' 5 months ago and still no ETA (FYI Monarchs from ButtF*ck Labs). I've ordered from shady Chinese players, and although there was some delay, they did deliver. Okay proof that they make what they say is a bit thin, so still want pictures of the inside and some screenshots from cgminer though..

And, if this goes as described here and on their site, I will order VX-2 without a doubt.

Edit: Just read that MultiMiner has gotten support for the VX-1, so if this is a scam someone is going great lenghts for it..

Is there some cheaper source of Bitfury chips these guys found? Because the last group buy of them I found was for $5/chip. If this rig has 400 chips total, that is $2k, so I don't see how they are pricing it at $2250?

Why not? According to their own site it's not ment for making big bucks on the sale, but to give them a better price point for the 50 pcs they gonna keep themselves. And the price is $ 2550, so roughly $ 550 - 650 for the rest of the parts and some profit..
For this group buy they are gonna give away the shipping, but in turn they don't have to do marketing for this lot.

Is it really that cheap to get the boards designed, built, etc? I have no clue, would like someone with experience to say. And yes, some pics of the boards in the case would be great.

edit: Just to add: I AM potentially interested in this. I just need a bit more proof.

Actually shipping a prototype to the multi-miner guy would be great.

Showing the chip purchase bitcoin transaction(s) would be good - getting confirmation from megabigpower on the chip order would be even better.

Some pics of their boards in the prototype rigs would be good.

These things are not asking that much, if they can't/won't then good luck selling all 2k in the next few weeks. Bitmain seems to drop their price in line with difficulty every couple weeks, who knows by 2nd half March they may be close to this price and I know they are trustworthy.

Contingent upon proof this is a valid, working machine in ready-to-ship state and not just a pipe dream or scam, I'm interested in one.  However, I'd need it with a 240V power supply (or better yet, a universal or switchable power supply).

The group buy on chips had a profit margin, when you order a ton of reels from MBP i am sure you get them for a lot cheaper.
I have already requested pictures of the guts and got an e-mail back from them that they would be happy to do so this week, they are taking the weekend off as they have spent over a month working non stop. Also, you mentioned 2k units, which is vastly off, only 200 units, which i know they wont have issues selling at all, which is why i am eager to hit our 50 as that is 1/4 of all machines available and they are getting ready to launch their advertising for the website this week once they get the better pictures he said. which means i have about a week to a week and a half to get the order in before they sell out. Once they get pictures of the guts and stuff up these things will fly off the shelves. Bitmain is charging close to the same money for 180 GH/s, and this is 1 TH/s.


Even though they are only about a month from ready to ship, i dont think anybody is going to have the luxury of ordering post production, its not a continual assembly line, its 200 then done.


Sorry it took so long to reply to all of you, i went out shooting this morning and got all 4 wheels buried in the snowy mud. Took 3 hours to dig out.

I just wanted to speak up a bit.

First of all - this is in no way an endorsement. I have no more proof of these devices than you folks.

That said, the guys from VX Miners have been in touch with me for a month or so as they work on adding support for their miner to MultiMiner (one of my projects). They have been very professional, very friendly, and nothing in our communications has seemed shady or questionable.

Also my communications with them are in-line with what The Observer is saying: it's just a couple of guys (father / son I believe) working together to try to make some nice hardware without all the BS.

Again, not an endorsement, no proof, but nothing has triggered any alarms in my conversations with them either.

Observer, thanks for the correction, don't know where I got 2k units from.

nwoolls, have they given you any code or anything to look at yet? So development is really occurring?

I think these 200 units will be gone in a couple of minutes once the pictures are there, and they have gained a bit more attention. My Neptune first batch is more expensive per Th/s, and will be delivered (hopefully) around the same time. Ppl ordered for second batch will be behind for more than a month and will for sure have paid more than this..

They have not committed code back yet - no. They are still working on getting it working properly with MobileMiner and enabling simple overclocking from the MulitMiner UI. I have done a few big refactorings for things like Remoting, so I've put them behind a couple of times.

I can say that they have asked questions that make it very clear that, if they aren't actually coding on MultiMiner, this is a very complex scam.

These are bright, well spoken individuals. There's no communication barrier, no language barrier, and they are obviously competent developers (or can appear to be).

From my last communication with them they are still testing and will be committing the code back to me next week.

I think it's just that we've all taught ourselves to be wary and distrustful of a deal that's too good to be true, and absent proof, this falls in that category.  Give us some concrete explanation that this is real, and we're willing to jump in.

Just read on their website that they have received a big order just today, so almost half of their production is already gone.. http://www.vxminers.com/blog/2014/02/09/our-biggest-order-yet (http://www.vxminers.com/blog/2014/02/09/our-biggest-order-yet). For a scam it's kinda stupid to limit yourself big time in getting qty's in..

@The Observer: hope that you can reserve at least the current group buy qty. Hope to hear tomorrow or wednesday at the latest if I have a go for 2 more.

@nwoolls: thank you for your contribution to this topic, your words are very helpful to at least establish that they exist, and not working for a Nigerian government department ;)

OH SHIT !!!!! good catch Maxximus007. I thought i would have more time than it appears i am going to have to get 50 orders together. I had not e-mailed them to see if they would at least honor free shipping for us if we dont hit 50 units because i didnt want them to feel like i was failing at this, but i guess its probably about time i send that e-mail so i can at least salvage what we have gotten together if they get another big order.

In the mean time, as stated in the original post, this is my first ever group buy and i really dont know much about running one. Do you guys have any idea on how i can get a little more traffic to this thread from the forum to at least increase our visibility in hopes of getting a few more orders so we can get these machines?  I am getting kind of panicky with them selling so quick and borderline going to just place my order with them now to make sure i get at least two of them, but i dont want to take my numbers away from my own group buy.

HELP???? ANYONE?? There has got to be a few of you here that know more about this than me.

If they can post a video with it running put me in for 3.

Sorry, this thread stinks of scam.

The Observer - created 10-01-2014, 00:24:38, a brand newbie running a group buy for 200 units worth upwards of 2k each - no credibility, no experience - sounds legit

Maxximus007 - created 08-01-2014, 12:18:53, 18 hours earlier and The Observer's biggest defender of how 'legit' this all sounds.

Then there is the similar language used by observer and maxximus, one (tries) to write a bit posher but they both use the same expressions, such as this from observer:


And then this from maxximus:


The two accounts also use kinda (maxximus) and kind of (observer) in a very similar way. This looks like one person with two accounts. One account (observer) speaks 'proper' (although he spells 'ment' instead of 'meant'). The other account (maxximus) speaks 'street' and luv ya init.

Then there's the whole host of other newbies all claiming to be in on this group buy.

In short observer = maxximus = scam

@nwoolls - you surprise me in giving credence to this joker. Your comments have the effect of legitimizing this group buy. Are you sure you want to be associated in this way?

@observer, next time, you might try creating your two 'worker' accounts more than 18 hours apart - and work on the Engerlishe

Thanks for your USLESS input mate. Can we get a moderator around here that can take a screenshot with IP's on the posts so we can shut this moron up. His conspiracy theory mentality is enough to make one want to vomit.

“Conspiracy theory is the ultimate refuge of the powerless. If you cannot change your own life, it must be that some greater force controls the world.”
― Roger Cohen

In other words, its not my fault your an idiot.

One Better since the mods are not quick to oblige requests.

https://i.imgur.com/EfCAT63.jpg

Maxx, if you wouldnt mind following suit so we can shut this fucking idiot up i would appreciate it.

Ahem?



People can make their own decisions. I only spoke honestly of my interactions with these folks.

Any now the aggression, this is like watching the 5 stages of grief. Calling me a 'fucking idiot' when clearly I am not, is not going to go down well with your thread viewers my friend.

Put me down for 10.  Hopefully we can confirm it's real before having to pay.

Exactly what Nwoolls said, Leave him out of this, he was very clear in what he stated.

It's conspiracy theory fuck tards like you nottm28 that make it so the major software developers will not work with smaller companies on software integration. If you want to be a troll (which i will very clearly brand you now so there is no confusion) then keep it to the parties involved. Nwoolls has nothing to do with this more so then being a great guy who helped a small project get off the ground with native software support before launch.

Nwoolls, i cannot apologize enough for this dipshit bringing you into this. Please do not let this effect your willingness to support the little guys in the future. I know you didnt ask for any of this at all.

Well nottm28, to be honest, your kinda full of shit in my opinion. I recall seeing some of your other posts, and you probably piss vinegar in your spare time.. This is why I never did anything here, too many loosers screaming SCAM all the time..

I've made the mistake NOT to buy the KnC miners early on, but to go for the Butt.. Labs. Still waiting for my delivery!

I'm Dutch so my IP is obviously coming out of... Any moderator can confirm this.

I've bought earlier here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=401185.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=401185.0)

And sure as hell I gave freetrax a hard time about delivery, but he came trough as well.

Once again, my English might be off at times, it's not my native language.

Back to topic in my opinion! This just might be a good deal, and the only reason why I don't want to order too many is that I *think* it's legit, but I'm not stupid either..

Thanks man, got you marked down :)


If it walks like a dog, barks like a dog, and wags its tail like a dog, i am going to call it a dog, If it conspires like an idiot, makes random shots in the dark which in less than a weeks time will make it look like an idiot, and continues to troll like an idiot, i am going to call it an idiot. So i stand by my words, you sir are a conspiracy theory crazed "FUCKING IDIOT"

End of subject, now back on to the intelligent conversations from the slimmer by the day normal humans on this forum.

To the rest of you, my apologies for having to do this in public, fucking idiots like that deserve to be drug out behind the barn beaten. It will end here though. I am done feeding the conspiracy theory troll.

I will for sure go back to my fat lazy life, now that I have saved the world from you.

For anyone who missed it, here's a link to my thread analysis (which went completely unanswered apart from observer's display of anger)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=452850.msg5043389#msg5043389

[EDIT]
And here's a link to a thread where some guy properly sucked everyone in and ran off with their 300 BTC... See if you can spot any similarity...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252180.0

No we can't, everyone use caution.

IP addresses are meaningless, due to proxies, tor, etc.

As for the "big order" that came in just in time to bump this thread activity, remember just over a week ago there was the whole CTS Miner scam. Nice-ish looking site, promising the world, when not enough people were buying it, suddenly they started playing with the remaining available units to try and make people feel they were missing out.

If the Miami people want to come here and vouch for their purchase, great, let's hear from them.

I can't find any information regarding South Florida Bitcoin Group.

Anybody knows where I can find some info?

i'll take 4 if it goes through

Thanks man, got you marked down. Come hell or high water we will hit 50, Trolls or otherwise.

Well this is certainly a VERY interesting thread...

And this is definitely going to be a long read for you as it was a long write for me.

None the less, I hope you enjoy it!

Right let's get this show on the run...

IS THIS A SCAM????

Hmm, well, let's make a "fictional" scenario here and see where it leads.

First let's say that I have pretty good knowledge of miners and mining software.
Let's also assume that I am already a known member of this community therefor I do not want to risk my identity.
Now, day in and day out I see threads of scam buys that sell leaving the scammer a pretty good catch.
People just don't get it! They keep getting fooled by these scams.
There will always be business in this field.

Good....
Why not take advantage of it.
After all, a fool and his money...

So, if I wanted to pull a relatively quick scam like this leaving me with a cool $100K how would I go about it?

First, I create a new account - taking all the precautions of course (hiding ip, etc).
Then, I would make sure I am "trusted" in the community by exposing a few of the many scams in the forums.
That should get people to trust me and I can use it as a weapon if anyone calls me a scammer.

Meanwhile, I will be working on the "website" and also in order to make this more "established" a very well known and respected member of this society must somehow "confirm" this.

So, I contact nwoolls with a bunch of legitimate questions on how to modify his software, and then in a clever way have him "confirm" the development of these miners.

That get's me set and start selling!

Wow, Great story man.... but fictional like you said.

Well, yeah, I mean let's examine the facts here:

Let's start with the website:

2 guys in their garages (which looks like their laundry room), who are supposedly testing a 1TH miner yet no cables are attached to it......

Let's go a bit deeper....

Let's get to their F.A.Q. section:

Q: Can I visit your facilities?
A:  As a rule of thumb, No. But if you bring beer and cheerleaders we might reconsider. We are two old guys in remote Alaska assembling these units out of our garages, there is not a lot to see. Pretty much as soon as we get the bulk components in hand we will be working overtime for 2 weeks to get them all assembled and shipped out.

 - Does anything after: As a rule of thumb, No, make sense to you?



Q: Can I call you on the telephone?
A: Your going to start to see the pattern here, We are a very small operation producing a very limited amount of bitcoin mining hardware. We are only 2 guys, and we have a deadline that we have to meet for our customers. If we published a phone number we would have to move our delivery date out to mid-summer 2014 and we would spend all day getting nothing done but dealing with the phones. If you have additional questions, e-mail us at sales@vxminers.com we will be going through e-mails a little after 5 p.m. every night M-F and replying to as many as we can.

 - Or you could have an automatic answering machine. Hows that?



Q: Why are you only making 200 VX-1 Miners?

A: We are actually making 250 VX-1 Bitcoin Miners, but only selling 200. Truth is if we could have manufactured our 50 units at the same price, we wouldn’t be making any units for sale. To get our price point for what we wanted to pay for our 50 TH/s we had to make 250 units. So we made this cheap website to get rid of the other 200 at near cost.

 - So you have already invested in manufacturing these machines yet you will only keep 50 and sell the rest just to cover expenses? Seriously now?



Q: What is the VX-2 Bitcoin Miner?

A: We have just re-hired our guy in Vietnam to start work on a PCB for the Black Arrow Minion chip. We want to have 100 TH/s worth of Minion units running ourselves, and once again we will probably have to over produce to get the price right. We don’t expect to have much over run on the units, maybe 150 that we will have for sale. Just keep an eye on the site and we will post more details as we have them

 - Oh OK, so you will only build 250 1TH units because you wanted to just keep 50 and don't care about bigger production yet you are working on VX-2



Q: Do you have facebook?

A: No, there are less than 800 people in our town, if i want to know what someone is doing i just go to convenience store and ask the clerk, They always seem to know what everyone is doing. If you were implying a facebook page for VX Miners the answer is still no. We are a VERY small short term operation; we are not spending time on branding and marketing. We are not trying to look like something we are not. We're two guys in garages who had to produce extra machines to sell to get the price on our own units down. If you want all that fancy corporation stuff, please feel free to go place an order with the "flying insect" guys, you might get your miners by 2015 sometime. Who knows when we will get the once that we ordered 5 months ago.

 - Short term operation yet planning the VX-2.
Also, I live in a country with population of a little over 1.5mil.
My village alone has a population of 10K and I can GUARANTEE to you that I am the only one mining for BTC, and who knows maybe the only one that knows about them.
So the question here is: Your hometown of 800 made not 1 but 2 genius's that know all this shit?
And you do it from your laundry room? sorry I mean garage.



Q: What kind of tech support / warrantee do you offer?

A: Again, we are a very small operation producing a very, very limited amount of machines. We will offer basic troubleshooting and assistance via e-mail for the miners for a few months after we ship them. These units are not made in china and mass produced, meaning there was a lot of attention to detail and quality put into them. As for a warrantee, the only guarantee we offer is that it will arrive tested and working. If you want a warrantee, we will sell you one for an additional $2,000 per unit. We did not order a lot of extra parts, and did not mark up the price of the units to cover in house repairs, shipping, extra modules, Etc. The cost of building single run replacement modules is very expensive. If you don’t have a little electronics tinkering experience the VX-1 miner probably isn’t the machine for you. Not that we foresee any problems, but we don’t make promises we cannot keep.


- So in short NO WARRANTY!



Q: How do i know this is not a scam?

A: Please go back to whatever forum you crawled out from. There is a reason we did not advertise on your forum. We're too old to deal with snot nosed kids with their "the world is out to get me" mentality. We have 200 units as of now, We have full confidence they will all be sold without having to deal with you.

- OK, this is really starting to remind me of someone defending his thread here..... Hmm, food for thoughts don't you think.
2 Old genius's that live in a town of only 800 and don't care about reputation.
That means they don't need the money, so why the sale?



Now, apart from ALL of the above there is also a few little things I kind of noticed....

First, TheObserver is a Drupal man, and so are the VX guys.... What do you know.......

Also, the vx domain was registered on 25/01 BUT
their earliest news are on the 24/01........

Wait what is this?: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=429956.msg4706201#msg4706201

Is this on the 24th of January??????

WHAT, get the f*** out of here!
FOR REAL?????



So I hope you found this to be an interesting read
and especially HELPFUL.

If it was helpful to you or even saved you money,
you can always return the favor with a small tip  ;)

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Maybe he means this group ?

http://www.meetup.com/Bitcoin-of-South-Florida/ (http://www.meetup.com/Bitcoin-of-South-Florida/)

^ Not for sure, i dont know any of them personally so i cannot say for certain, but it does seem to fit the bill of whats described.


S4VV4S- what the hell are you rambling about? Why dont you write (ANONYMOUS) <- thats his real name) and ask him yourself before you make yourself look like an idiot he can tell you that the website he was working on for me was NOT even bitcoin related. Beyond that i didnt understand half the shit you just dreamed up in your imaginary situation.

You really want to defend your accusations that this is a scam by using made up situations? Then you want people to believe anything you say?

Maybe you miss the part where I DO NOT HAVE TO defend shit if i so choose, which is about to start right now. For the following reasons alone.

1: all i get out of all this shit is free shipping, Its almost worth $200 not to have to deal with dumb fuck morons like you

2: I WILL NOT be collecting the funds for this group buy nor ever touching a single BTC for it except my own that i send in when we make payment. ALL payments will be sent direct to the guys who are making the machines

3: As far as making scam accusations go, all any of you doubters have done is make up fictitious scenarios and tried to back them up with bullshit, maybe you should go work for FOX news. I dont have to defend anything when you have nothing to go on in the first place. As you can see, people are still ordering from the group buy despite all the trolls blabbering jibberish. Meaning the few trolls that landed here are just making themselves look like conspiracy theory driven idiots

In closing, enough of the idiots, back to business, were half way there guys, 25 sold 25 to go, Nobody has been able to help me find the site to use for selecting a random person for the free machine if we get the 50 sold. anyone willing to lend a hand? i know there is a site that a few people have used here before, but cannot seem to find a post that says what it is.

Oberver I gotta say that all the other stuff aside the thing that jumps off the screen to me is that these dudes don't have enough internet to post a simple video but they are going to run 50 ths miners?

I'm in the process of getting fucked in the ass on two other gb's on this forum so I may be a bit cynical tonight!

It is funny how you can just say "I will not bother with stupid accusations" yet not try to prove me wrong.

I will tell you what...

I am about to order 4 Ants as soon as their price drops.
If you can PROVE to me that this is legit - before the ants price drops - then count me in for 2.

Hows that?


EDIT: Also the fact that the buyers will send their BTC to another address means jack shit.

Not Cynical, just cautious and that's understandable. I dont know if you have ever used satellite internet before but that is why. Uploading a video is a massive upstream surge of data, most video sharing sites refuse uploads that take up more than 10-15 minutes as their server times out. Mining on the other hand does not consume a ton of bandwidth, even at 50 TH/s. There are guys in the Netherlands running huge machines on dial up, but cant get on webcam via skype, i know because i have tried skyping with them.

Hope that helps

How's about this, even if you wanted all 50 of them i would not deal with you because you are a pain in the ass and the minute you got the hardware, even if it was as a result of your own idiocy, if you could not get something set up right or working i would have to deal with a fuck load of moronic e-mails, messages, and forum posts from your dumb ass. I fully understand why Larry didnt want to deal with selling miners on this forum himself now, so thanks for clearing that up. At first it seemed fishy that someone would not want to advertise on such a large forum, now it makes perfect sense.

In short take your bitcoin and go order your antminers, 1/5th the hashing power for the same money, because thats what idiots do.

Just a few ideas: multiple smaller RAR/ZIP files, video compression, split video files - any of these might help... :)

I think showing some pictures of the boards, rather than just a plain server case would help tremendously.  I'm interested in seeing what kind of design the guys came up with, having played with the bitfury chips myself.

Yet again, I hope people aren't stupid enough to send bitcoin to a few people who claim to be making miners in a small remote alaskan town where there is no facebook or technical ability to prove that they can do anything they claim.

Thanks highwave, i actually already asked larry if he could just burn it on a CD for me and mail it to me if i covered the postage, he said he would be happy to do so tomorrow and i would have it within the week, i just didnt want to keep going on and on about it because i am on the fence about either placing my order by myself to make sure i get my machines, or continuing with the group buy.

This has turned out to be a METRIC FUCK TON (like that? its my new unit of measurement.... 1 MFT) of bullshit to deal with just so i can save $200. Put yourself in my shoes for a minute and i am sure you will understand. None the less, even if i cancel the group buy, i will still post the video when i get it just for icing on the cake to make all the dumb fuck conspiracy theory, the world is out to get me fucktards look even more like the idiots they are.

You know what?

YOU ARE A SCAMMER!

I can see that clearly now.

YOU HAVE NOT COMMENTED on ANYTHING I HAVE POSTED EARLIER.

WHY?

IT ALL PROVES YOU ARE A SCAMMER. SO WHY NOT PROVE YOU ARE NOT?

Secondly.
I have not called you anything yet till now.

You have called me various names but it is OK, I understand.
It is the normal behavior for someone who CANNOT RIGHTLY defend themselves.

Third.
You have NOT gotten the machine yet, and you claim yourself to be an expert and dealing with our problems?
And worrying about handling our moronic e-mails, messages, and forum posts from our dumb ass?
For reals?
Dude even if you gave them all for free I wouldn't wanna deal with a little pr**k like you.

YOU ARE A SCAMMER.

GET THIS CLEAR TO YOUR THICK SCULL....
Unless you provide VALID evidence that you are LEGIT, I will keep polluting your thread with my EVIDENCE!

Is that clear?

I am talking about these evidence:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=452850.msg5045936#msg5045936

I am still to get a response to it.

Observer, you should quit now. Once you start calling people names for doubting your ridiculous scam, it's game over. You're the one who should be dragged behind a shed and beaten. This isn't the way to start a business, or a group buy, or anything.

Or, the rest of you little kiddies can go fuck yourselves and let the adults play now. Pretty much EVERY single one of you with your "your a scammer" bullshit have 100+ posts in your history making the same accusations at 100 different people of which at least 70% of the time you were full of shit and wrong. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, and if i ran around clamming that EVERY transaction on this forum is a scam, i would certainly be right some of the time. As a matter of fact, i disticntly remember seeing your posts particularity back with the CTS miner thing in which you just made blind accusations with no factual evidence at all so you would seem cool and get your activity count up. Just because they ended up being a scam, does not make anything you have said valid, not even in the slightest.

Its quite apparent that the adults here feel the same, because they keep ordering even with all the usual suspects trolling, seems your reputations are catching up with you. Matter of fact, i just had someone not only reserve but pay for 4 units direct with the VX miner guys not even an hour ago in the midst of all this stupidity all of you blather about. So by all means, continue to take up page space, and we will continue to conduct our business in the midst of your babble.


Oh, almost forgot, were all about "prove it" around here, so here are some TXIDs for you to smoke on for a minute.

https://blockchain.info/tx/a95d8f4643bf4ecdb25550914555ed227820303c37fa71a04653df209f61feaf

https://blockchain.info/tx/8c696d357f2bc150a8e164ba54961bd6f76e386eff15d8993d24b9f6f5fec7ed


Again, back to business, and my apologies again to the adults around here for all the kids that found their way to the thread. I'm sure they will get board sooner or later.

PLEASE I BEG OF YOU...

point out to me WHICH ACCUSATIONS I made which they WERE FALSE??????

The one with minewithmind???
the one with imho83? (which is the same person as above)

Please DO TELL ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: It is funny that most scammers in this forum can't spell properly.
IT IS BORED, NOT BOARD.

Are you fucking kidding me? You saw me calling cts a scam from the beginning because it was a scam, idiot. You don't have ANY history on this forum yourself, who the hell are you to talk about peoples post counts? The only people stupid enough to send you bitcoin are so greedy and blind that they couldn't imagine that none of what you say sounds realistic. Talk about kiddies and adults you little turd, you think anyone believes you aren't posting all of this from mommys basement, hoping to get some bitcoins and get away with it?

Your fucking scam website isn't even up right now. ROFL

I cant believe how these startup companies claim they can produce X amount of units out of a garage and expect people to buy them with absolutely 0 proof that they exist. Any time the "seller" is questioned, all i read is excuses. bla bla bla bla bla Its getting old. Post a video either on the website or on the forums or lock this thread and let the scam die. Dont even bother with pictures, as they are too easy to fake these days. The guys making the miners have an overclocked unit sitting right in the garage hashing away, so post a video already and prove us all wrong.  

And we have all seen the basement....
It is the laundry room in the pics  :D

You must have missed the part where i am not handling the funds for the group buy, but please, do continue to waste page space. i have about an hour left so i can sit and feed your need to feel like you actually matter in this world. I suppose i can give you at least that much, I can always get back to business tomorrow, were less than 21 units away from being done here anyways.  

He took it down to take care of what I pointed out here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=452850.msg5045936#msg5045936 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=452850.msg5045936#msg5045936)

Nobody gives a shit if you claim to not be getting the btc from this, anyone can make any number of bitcoin wallets. Statements like that from you just show even more lack of experience on your part. You think some block transactions prove anything? Here, let me shuffle around a few hundred coin and claim that someone is paying me for something imaginary as well. Idiot.

HEY DIPSHIT !!!!! YEAH YOU !!!! THE ONE WHO JUST HAD TO GET 2 CENTS IN WITHOUT READING THE FULL THREAD,

I am not the manufacturer or for that matter the seller of these machines, my ONLY role is as an organizer to get us all free shipping and 1 out of 50 people a free miner. Maybe you missed that part in you race to seem cool by adding your worthless 2 cents worth.

If i had the damn thing in my garage or was manufacturing them myself i wouldnt need this damn thread to get free shipping now would i.

Fucking idiots, if i were here to rip you off dont you think i could have come up with something a little more enticing, or a better story than, well, i couldn't get a discount but i got us free shipping. You fuckers fell out of the stupid tree and smacked every branch on the way down.

No, I really don't think you could have come up with something better. You don't have the patience or skill for it.

Observer give it up man.

You been made.

It is funny that as smart as you might be you are also twice as much stupid.

Please go away.

You are risking revealing your real ID and we both know you have more than one accounts here  ;)

You are attempting to sell $125,000 worth of product to people on the internet without pictures, videos, or testimonials of product. Don't you think it would be wise to have something to perk our interest? Since the product is in a garage, and you know this father and son so well, you should show up there with a camera and snap us some pictures. Let me guess, they are across the country and its too far to drive?

Well that escalated quickly.

hehehhhehehe 
Now it's gone. Another scammer running away before they get caught.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

IS THIS GUY FOR REAL???????

OBSERVER GO AWAY!!!!

YOU BEEN MADE MAN!!!!!

Thanks Larry, and i'm sorry, i knew there were idiots around here, just didnt think i would end up with all of them on my thread at once. I will get you the funds send over within the hour and follow up via e-mail.

To the rest of you, i got what i wanted, and now your on your own.

Oh hey Larry. Mind grabbing your phone and posting a quick youtube video of your miner that is running in your garage right now?

OK, OK,

I am not the one who likes to say I told you so but.....


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=452850.msg5045936#msg5045936 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=452850.msg5045936#msg5045936)

I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Also, it is funny how an OLD man quickly sets up a new account here and know s how to set the TEXT

nwoolls please let us know if these guys contact you from now on.

It would be nice to know :)

Just wanted to say thanks to all of you, even the trolls. I got what i wanted and it only took me 24 hours. ( https://blockchain.info/tx/5cad29f2e0eefe63c6517f624e58a72b15e52148f72bfb3b431dca20adccbfa6 )

You may now feel free to drag this thread out for another 1,000 posts of your idiocy as you always do with more blind accusations. Sorry to the rest of you who got prohibited from ordering as a result of the trolls here.

I wish those 'trolls' had done this on the other messes I am down a few BTC over. 

Business people do not act this way...ever.  These look like children tbh.

I would advise you to keep using this account for a little longer so that you don't make it completely clear what you are.

Good luck with your miners!

You can always tip me for my contribution ;)

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Thanks :)

I would but my wallet is still in the ER with massive blood loss & shock.  We do not know if he will survive but have a team of trained monkeys flinging poo in as many directions as they can.

I'll always be happy to prevent even one person from sending away their hard earned money for something they will never receive.

No worries bro.

To be honest I am glad that I have managed to save a few people quite a few BTC :)

+100

LOL  :D

That's what I was trying to do way back in post #21 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=452850.msg5010669#msg5010669) of this thread.  Simply opening the 4U case to show the miners would have helped, but as we see so far, there was no miner to show.  If actual pics cannot be shown, then beware to the purchaser.

At the risk of being seen as another "troll" that had to have his 2 cents inserted in a thread that I have as of yet had no stake in:
You pretty much set the stage for the most vehement responses yourself.
Even before you started cussing out people questioning the plausibility of thread, you went the way of condescension.

Allthough you don't see yourself as a salesman for VX, you put yourself in the position of being an intermediary.
A more constructive approach would have been to grit your teeth and answer in a neutral, factual manner.

I'd love for this to turn out to be legit, though.
Here is hoping you get those two miners.

TerraHasher = The Observer = who else?

Please seek professional help.


i'm anon no 3 in the list edit: of miners reserved not of alts for terrahash

@railzand: Damn, you forgot to mention me! But I'm S4VV4S as well, cause I like to contradict myself.

Hope The Observer will try to get in touch with the genuine interested, in a PM or otherwise, and proceed with it by email. No need wasting my time on the hijackers here.

You are not S4VV4S...
Only Chuck Norris and S4VV4S can be as cool as Chuck Norris and S4VV4S.

Sorry no room for more :)

LOL

[EDIT]

Interesting the way you use lower case I - oh, just like observer

You called it - good call

but who wants to see an empty case? all the mystery will poof away!

Interesting that all bitcointalk members would be banned for the enthusiastic doubts of some bitcointalk members.

Were these devices proven to be true, I would still be up for getting one.  But, the head-in-the-sand approach of the company can hide all sorts of evils, from the simple I-don't-care to the try-to-hide-our-scam.  And this approach is also inconsistent with one of the developers' stated claims of being sick of getting the runaround from companies that want to be trusted without proof and then effectively don't deliver...

All,

I hope this finds everyone doing superbly.  Before I get started please let me say I have 0 skin in this game (having not risked any coin) BUT a buddy of mine does.  Said buddy was speaking with me recently and mentioned there was a new miner company out of Alaska called vxminers (at vxminers.com) on the block and that there had been a sizeable hardware purchase made by said buddy of said mining hardware from said company.  My buddy seemed rather elated of purchasing said hardware BUT had heard some nasty “these folks must be scammers” rumors.  My buddy also mentioned that said mining hardware company had made their prototype PCB production run at a well know, US domestic PCB full assembly house.  It just so happens that I know a guy, who has a sister,  that is friends with a dude, who is married to a girl that is a regional VP of sales for said PCB manufacturer.  So I asked the guy I knew who has a sister,  that is friends with a dude, who is married to a girl that is a regional VP of sales for said PCB manufacturer if said PCB manufacturer had ever shipped product to Alaska.  The answer that came back was “Why yes, they ship tons of product to Alaska to many companies”.  I was then asked to provide the city of said business and name of said business so the guy I knew who has a sister,  that is friends with a dude, who is married to a girl that is a regional VP of sales for said PCB manufacturer could ask if any product had ever been shipped to King Cove, Alaska and/or if anyone with vxminers (or possibly a representative of vxminers.com) had initiated any business or received any PCB product from said PCB manufacturer.  The answer I got back was astonishing.  That answer was no H@ShKraker, we have never sent product to King Cove, AL and we have no record of doing business with anyone from a company called vxminers or using a URL of vxminers.com .  I don’t know if this will help anyone with any hardware buying decisions BUT if it does my bitcoin address is in my post signature.  Cheers.

H@shKrker

That made my brain hurt...

Well .... if it keeps you from getting scammed (which I'm not saying is guaranteed in this case) at least it WON'T make your A$$ hurt from getting screwed by someone who doesn't even have the courtesy to buy you a "hello" drink.

H@shKraker

I let it ride for a few weeks, but i cant resist any more. ( http://www.vxminers.com/blog/2014/03/01/chips-are-production-has-begun )

Looks like a few of you are going to look insanely stupid in about 19 days, and for the one of you who insists on looking like a retard now. NOBODY SHIPS ANYTHING TO KING COVE ALASKA MORON, IT'S A REMOTE VILLAGE. They have to have them shipped to town then go pick them up, but you just keep on keeping on like you know something mate. I'll be sure and quote your story after people get their miners to shred your trust and reputation to shit.

That's funny....
I thought the guys had satellite internet  ::)

Busted once again mate....

FART OFF!

EDIT: I am considering posting a thread about this in the SCAM ACCUSATIONS.
So, unless you can come up with some valid evidence like in a few hours then I will do just that.

EDIT 2:
Funny how you both (vxminers and you) posted news at almost the same time.
What gives?

EDIT 3: I am glad that you have learned how to use Photoshop.
Did you buy it legally or is it pirate?

EDIT 4: You don't have to wait 19 days, I feel insanely stupid from now.....

S4 I think it's kind of a waste of time...the guy has so many ids who knows what he is up to...he's got scams for his scams.  There are so many inconsistencies with this bs story if you try to list them out you begin to feel a bit like Alice...lol

You see iglasses, this guy has no option.
He had invested all he had in this.
So he is trying to make a ROI.

That, however, is not going to happen.

Thats right, i forgot, Satellite internet NEVER has any problems. Especially in one of the most remote villages in America. Everyone needs to get off their DSL and Broadband right now and switch to satellite internet as according to the all knowing authority on these things, they never have problems.


This "guy" as you put it, as a ton of options. I have nothing more invested than the purchase of 2 machines. You miss the part where i am no longer here trying to sell anything as a group buy, i already got what i wanted out of the deal. I am now only here to make sure that EVERY single person who jumps to irrational conclusions when the facts support the contrary is duly noted on their feedback with references so when they go off to act all high and mighty with the next guy, people can see that these people have a long history of making rash accusations so they need only take it with a grain of salt when these people hijack their threads with their BS. I could care less who else buys anything from these guys, i got mine ordered with free shipping, and thats all i was here for in the first place.

To be honest with you I used to have Satellite internet before I had access to DSL and Cable.
And let me say that I do not remember one time that I had a problem with it for the entire 3 years I had to use it.

I do have to admit that it is extremely expensive.
But personally I never had problems.

I am not saying there might not be any downtime but I doubt that will be from the provider.

Are these guys still scamming people? I feel bad for anyone who doesn't see this thread on google. YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE ALL YOUR MONEY

The Observer,

Keep in mind, I didn't say you were a scammer (though others eem to have that covered rather well).  What I said was chickie, who knows dude, who is related to another chickie who also knows another dude that is in a position to know about shipments out of your referenced PCB manufacturing location said flat out that hey had no record that anything had been shipped to King Cove Alaska and there was no record of anyone representing a company called vxminers or associated with a URL known as vxminers.com having requested product be shipped to ANYWHERE on the planet.  This in no way says you're scamming.  It however DOES say that it seems REALLY hard for the PCB manufacturer you referenced to find any business having been done with you.  Perhaps you could post a photo of the shipping invoice and shipment bill of lading / manifest to clear up this issue.  Even better, by now you should have PCB prototypes with chips mounted ready to photograph.  Maybe you could post those photos with a copy of your Alaska driver's license and your picture (obscuring your address info on the license of course).  This would at least show folks that A)  You have the test run boards in your possession and they are ready to assemble and B) you are, in fact, residing in Alaska.

H@shKraker

I myself dont have any photos more than what they have posted on their website. But they do have photos with chips mounted on PCB's. I think you missed the part where i am not the MFG of this hardware, and i dont live in AK. so i do not have an AK DL to post a photo of. I was merely the guy that approached them to offer a group buy to this forums as after looking at their website and FAQ's it seemed they had no interest in doing it themselves. After the mess this thread turned out to be, i cannot say as i blame them one bit.

I myself, know someone, who knows someone, who knows someone, who knows a girl who knows another girl who slept with Rick Ross. I guess on that thought processes it means i know a celebrity. Not trying to be an ass. but come on, thats a stretch on even the best of days. I find it very odd that you say they have no records of shipping anything to AK. Granted it makes sense they didnt ship to King Cove, as next to nothing ships to King Cove without a HUGE fee. But as i was one of the first to stumble across their website before it even launched officially through a friend who heard about them on a site called BitToClick.com and i was able to contact them before the rest of the trolls, they were very happy to give me the contact in Minnesota they had to verify the PCB's. It was only a few weeks, mabye 2 or 3 ago when they stopped giving out that information because the sales rep complained of dozens of nuisance phone calls that were disrupting to business and from what i heard their sales rep said that if it did not stop they would no longer be able to do business with these guys. Never the less, i think your information is wrong.

Finally, since this thread cost me my reputation on this forum, let me AGAIN clarify a few things AGAIN for the children in the audience.

1: I myself am not the manufacturer of these machines
2: The only reason i attempted to do the group buy was because after a week in negotiations with these guys they offered free shipping finally and i am a cheap ass and wanted to save a few bucks, furthermore they offered up a free machine for me to give away if i managed to make 50 sales.
3: i NEVER collected any funds from this group buy, and for that matter was not going to accept any payment until i knew the group buy had hit 50 and would go throug.
4: The group buy was canceled because of all the conspiracy theorists and wannabe internet detectives without a clue causing too many problems, and the amount of garbage mail it generated for the MFG's of this hardware.
5: at current, i still dont give a crap, the only reason i got into the group buy was for the free shipping, which i got anyways for my efforts.
6: Referencing #2, If these guys were out to just take my BTC and run, it wouldnt have taken me a week of begging and pleading and trying to butter them up to get any sort of a discount. I have lost money to a scam company before, and they would tell me anything i wanted to hear, including whatever discount as long as it meant me sending them bitcoin.

AND FINALLY

7: This is all a really big waste of time, but i guess it gives the conspiracy round table mainly S4 and Rick james something to make them feel important, take 10 minutes and browse through their post history and you will find hundreds of posts of them accusing everyone, even companies who are full on and verified legit of being scams. In the end, i got want i wanted which was free shipping because i am a cheap ass, and to be honest i could not give two shits or a fuck if another person from this forum buys a single machine from these guys. In the end when i have my miners in hand after the 19th some time to take pictures of and post on here, i only hope that it goes to show how much damage these few dumb fuck children cause in damage on this forum with their wild accusations and i hope everyone who missed out because these fuck sticks makes sure to duly note how un-trustworthy those before mentioned fuck sticks really are. The worst part is, after i have miners in hand to make video/photos/ wild fuck you i told you so posts, there wont be any machines left for sale. But i will gladly sell mine for $10,000 each and will even do escrow with TC or JK.

The END

don't try to drag me into this you piece of shit. You came here and destroyed your own name trying to scam people with your bs story. I call out people with bullshit stories and fake machines trying to steal from people.

Rick, I think he was referring to me about this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=502485.msg5531338#msg5531338

What he didn't notice is that on that "accusation" as he calls it, I have made it clear that it is just a speculation.
Not an accusation.

So....there IS still a way to buy these wonderful machines even though we, as forum members, have been banned from their purchase eh?
lol

For something you don't care about you seem to devote a helluva lot of time & energy on it.

Even if these guys are everything they/you say they are they are still way too unprofessional to be selling a half million dollars worth of high end electronic eq.

There is almost NO chance that they are though, which means you are either ignorant or in on it.

Your attitude cost you your rep here...nothing else.

+1

What the fuck does a forum reputation mean? Most of the trolls on this place, mainly the ones who when you look through their post history contribute nothing of value to this forum at all. 500+ post members, and 95% of what they post is garbage and trolling, Never any useful info, Never anything productive, Nothing but digital waste, They are the kind that sit and compare facebook friends counts and post "likes" at night because beyond the virtual space, they have no social life, or no life at all. Even the other geeks, nerds, and techies want nothing to do with them in the real world. Like i give a shit about a virtual reputation. It's about as useful as Tit's on a mule.

Furthermore, a half million in hardware especially asic miners is jack shit in the scheme of things. BFL made tens of thousands of units, HashFast, BA, Cointerra. Quite a few people from this forum bought VX-1's and all had very pleasant experiences, best part about it is not a single one of them will touch this thread, or for that matter most threads on this garbage wasteland of an UN-mannaged, shit moderated, damn near useless forum.

and finally.... My attitude.. I already made it clear i could give two shits about rep, Attitude you say? i say its speaking my mind, and while i am at it FUCK every one of the rejects from society that turned what could have been a great source for information and help into one of the most notorious piece of shit forums in the bitcoin space today. Now thats attitude.

Can you please provide info and links to ONE PROPER member of these forums that got these 4U cases... sorry I mean miners?

That's everyone - all one word

There still about a week away from shipping. But i am sure in about a week and a half you can firmly plant your face into your palms when everyone is talking about the super cheap super well built miners they got. I know i will be slapping a big 'ole "told ya so" on your reputation, not only for myself but for the dozens of other threads you trolled on.

You want to play the post a link game? Why dont you post a link to 1 single post you have made that was useful, informative, or that has contributed an ounce to the better being of this forum and the people who come here for information and help. i went back more pages than i care to count and see nothing but hundreds of posts from a troll.

Don't you ever shut up?

WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR NEW SHINY MINER.

The S2 is out btw: https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=000201403150259438234hgMrx380699

Nope, never shut up. Started off on a mission to help the bitcoin community. Since i cannot do it via a group buy, i continue to do it by warning them of trolls and making sure they know who contributes useful info, and who spends their days trying to gain virtual popularity by being an ass hat at the expense of cluttering the forum with their garbage.




.

ummm....but that's YOU.

Oh no, helping newbies know who to trust, who's a troll, and who contributes useful information is in itself contributing useful information. If i were you Iglasses i would just step back and let me handle this with the kids that deserve it. I have nothing bad to say about you in regards to contributing, there is a lot of useful info in your post history even though you troll a little here and there i would rather do without dragging you deep down the rabbit hole with this. Why dont you just keep doing the good things you do, and let me continue to scheme and plot against the space wasters on here, there's no need to tarnish your good name on here.

The Observer please stop.
You got what you wanted right?
Your miners with free delivery?

So why do you keep insisting on this?

Like I said the S2 is out and I (as long as many other members here) would much prefer giving my money to a REAL ASIC Manufacturer.

Seriously man, this thread should have died some time ago.
But you keep going on about it.
NOBODY IS GOING TO BUY THESE MINERS.

I guess you missed the part where this isnt about miners any more. This has become about making sure that trolls get branded appropriately.

OK I am a troll then.
Are you happy now?

Bro please don't do this.
You can feel free to call me a troll.
But don't go there....
I will not back up and trust me, I NEVER LOSE!!!!!

Call me a troll or a freak or whatever, just stop please.


 

You never lose? You already lost mate. You have hijacked enough threads, this time you hijacked the wrong one.

Care to share with us which thread are you talking about?

And NO I NEVER LOSE. <--- Don't fuck with the gov bro you might not like the outcome.  Yes I work for the government but not at the position you think, but I DO have access.

Easy to be all big and bad behind a computer bro, with your post office, or other fake government job and your fake access. Either which way you look at it. I am not fucking with the Govt. i am fucking with you. Dont make idle threats, or you might find out what real Govt access can do.

OK, Bring it on!!!

EDIT: BTW hows things in CA?

EDIT 2: Don't think that we are not in to you.....
You and your "gang" has attracted a lot of attention.
PS: Don't make shallow threads to other members because they have backup......
EDIT 3: ^^^ how do I know this unless I work for the government?

Nigga your making a fool of yourself, CA? I live sooooooooooooooo damn far on the other side of the country from California if i got any further i would have to be on a boat in the Atlantic Ocean.

Edit 2: We're in to you? are you fucking kidding me you pathetic little puppy. You can go play with that bone on your own time. Me and my gang? Fuck nigga, its me myself and I, and i can still make things very uncomfortable for you. DONT BARK unless you intend to bite, and if you try and bite, dont be surprised when you get zapped and run off with your tail between your legs.

PS. backup? seems like its just me and these four walls, oh and your pathetic ass.

Edit 3: If you ever had hopes of convincing me that you worked for any branch of the Govt. you probably shouldn't have tried bluffing like you knew where i lived, you missed by about 2,800 miles. Would you care to guess again? try something on the east coast this time you might get lucky you pathetic waste of space.

Holy hell you're an idiot observer.... Go away already

YOU can make things uncomfortable for me?
Like how?

I didn't bluff about jack shit.
I work for YKAN which is the DEA down here where I live. You fucking twat.
And guess what, I could make your life uncomfortable by sending my colleagues in your area for a little investigation.

Chances are they will find something on you, judging by your character and the way you are trying to score quick money, my guess is that you are on cocaine.
You know you can do some serious time for that right?

Come on over then fuck stick, Seeing as you are starting on the west coast with your California bluff, it will take you only about a million years to find my door on the other side of the country. Have a fun trip from Korea you stupid slant. All you will find if you do ever find the right door is someone with a badge that means a metric fuck ton more than anything your toting along with you, and more than any "friends" you have in my neck of the woods.

I dont need to name drop acronyms to sleep well at night my 5 letters are the only thing i need.

And on a side note, i wouldn't have made a single dollar from the group buy, so quick with the mouth and slow with the brain you are. Better turn off the computer so your mommy can tuck you in to bed little boy.

This thread is full of LOL, i highly recommend...:)

Yeah it is.

I am waiting for The Observer to get back to us about his miners :)
19th of March was due to be delivered right?

I will give it another 4-5 days in case they had delays  :P

Seriously, he's not just a moron, now he's a racist moron. People like the observer should all live on a little island where they can continue inbreeding.

Give it a couple of days Rick.
The miners will "miraculously" appear  ::) ::) ::) ::)

 

S4VV4S, you're actually a very good and entertaining troll. Good job :p.

Well, I am glad you find me amusing.
I PROMISE I will keep trying harder to keep scammers from getting yours and other members coins.
Doesn't matter if that makes me a troll.
It makes me feel good for serving the community.

Have a great day  ;)

And this/these guys are getting more desperate.

They have a 36 HOUR SALE!!!!!!
http://www.vxminers.com/blog/2014/03/19/36-hour-sale-10-20k-until-our-supply-sold-out
WOW.

DIVE IN Hili!!!!

Now is your chance.
Don't miss it!!!!

S4VV4S +2

Funny they went from like 90 available down to 7 in a day or so.  I guess this thing is getting ready to wrap itself up.

Why on earth would someone selling the greatest mining deal in the world need to have a 36hr sale?

Because they said shipping starts 19th March and they didn't scam anyone yet so they are desperate.

Kind of curious about this sale to the South Florida Bitcoin group...Does anyone know who they are and if they have any representation on here?  They are claiming to have sold a shitload of these to them.

TheObserver
Date Registered:   January 09, 2014, 06:24:38 PM
Last Active:   March 19, 2014, 04:24:43 PM

VXMINERS BTC payment address...
1BTAFhsRjAyCQtA2FKK4xQG4erKMdtwyDK
Transactions
No. Transactions   13   

Total Received   42.5109 BTC   

Final Balance   0 BTC   


If they sold all but 7 units there should be a hell of a lot more than 42BTC sent right?

Like I said it's a scam.

Check out their first transaction - 07-02-2014
Same day as this post.

They seem to have made a lot though.

THE SITE IS GONE.  OBSERVER IF YOU WEREN'T THE ONE TRYING TO SCAM PEOPLE ALL ALONG YOU OWE SOME APOLOGIES.
Thank goodness it seems as though no one from bct got taken in this one.


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OMG, glad I decided to keep away from this, after I got scammed by AvalonShenzen.. Thanks all for pointing out, although at first I was convinced there were really people in Alaska building this stuff in their garage together with their Huskies and dogsleds..

Yeah and the coins were mixed yesterday. GONE.
I hope it wasn't BTC from forum members.

I warned everyone from the start.

You guys want to see something funny?

Here have a laugh at my trust rating: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=222038

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Fucking scammers.

I don't mind though.
I WANT THAT RATING TO BE THERE WITH THE REFERENCE!!!  ;D

EDIT: Don't forget to click on "show ratings" too.
VXMiners has left me feedback  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

LOL

You sad, sad, little fucks. Miners showed up today to orders on the west coast. ( although one of mine showed up not working ) Never the less as soon as i finish figuring out what is wrong with the broken one i will be sure and get some pics up to reference when your reputations get trashed.

and on a side note, all of us that bought miners from them knew almost 2 weeks ago that they website was going down when they were sold out and shipped they told us in the last 2 weekly newsletters. everyone who needed their e-mail address already had it from when they ordered and they did not want to keep filtering through pages of shit from you fucksticks to respond to actual customers.

Oh, yeah, and apology

I'M SORRY YOU DIPSHITS ARE ALL FUCKING MORONS

There is your apology

The only dipshits and morons are the ones that believe you.

You are a liar and now it is 100% confirmed that YOU are the scammer.  Go die with your nonexistent miner.  People who just busted out 500k worth of hardware don't dismantle their web site you fucking retard.  SCAMMERS do.

Not that it even makes a difference but answer this asshole...if they were so on the level how come the payment address they used only had 40btc transferred to it if they sold 200 fucking units?

Who is South Florida Bitcoin group and where are their sales?  Where is someone from there to confirm they ordered/got their shiny new miners?
You are a fucking liar.  Period.  End of story.

Wow, congratz! I thought they were scammers. Could you upload some photos and a video of it hashing away?

Could you tell me how to solider a SM fuse? then i would be happy to. otherwise all i can upload are some photos of a case full of not working miner parts, no video of it hashing away.

I thought your ordered two miners, are they both broken?
If so post an image of what you wish to fix, we have many intelligent persons in this forum.

I hate for this to be my first and probably last post, but since it appears I have been ripped off, I have no choice. This is to Larry or whatever your name is from vxminers.com. I hope you enjoy spending the $5k I sent you for miners that have never arrived. I could have used that money to pay off a couple bills or put towards my two daughters tuition, but no, I sent it to you because I guess I am an idiot to believe that you were a legitimate person.
Why did I believe you, well the idea that a scammer would come up with making bitcoin miners in Alaska was so far fetched, I foolishly believed it had to be true. Your email correspondence seemed so genuine as well.
In the case you ever come back to this board and see this, I just want you to think about who you have ripped off. I never lied about who I am. I am a 100% disabled veteran who is unemployable. That means I can't work and live off a pension that does not increase much each year. I have two children who rely on me to feed and clothe them and spend as much quality time with them I can despite my physical and mental problems. I looked to bitcoin to help get some of my bills under control and 5K was all the money I could possibly come up with and now you have it. So thanks for giving a veteran the shaft up my ass, did not even have the courtesy of a reach around.
If a hint of honor happens to enter you body, you can send my 9BTC back to me at this address 1HZHFnUwVBV1P98MNM7rPW1exoKP5cuKCq
Who knows, maybe I will get enough donations to recoup my losses, but I can't count on that. Sleep well with your stolen money. Hope that stealing from a veteran like me was worth it.

This user is now logging on to the forum again and still claiming that he was not the scammer but now admits that the sale of these was a scam.
How could you have received your miner if it was a scam???

Over a dozen people said they never received their miners, i know of at least 5 that i can confirm did, just because i and a few others recieved their miners does not mean there was no scamming going on. It just means i personally didnt get scammed. In fact, i still have 1 of the two machines i bought up and running at 1.88 TH/s

https://i.imgur.com/ghACOYu.jpg

Also the aqusations that i was the scammer are 100% totally false because in order for me to have scammed, there would have to be a victim, in which in this instance there is not as i never collected any funds on this group buy from a single forum member.