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Thanks for your feedback. I knew it was only a matter of time, and its totally fine. Just a few things i would like to point out to you, not trying to change your opinion or anything, but if we are going to go down this road now i think we might as well be sure to get the facts straight. 1: The PO box listed belongs to Yahoo, which is a reseller of domains for Melbourne IT. It took me 2 minutes on google to find that out. It seems everyone thinks they are a super slueth because they can do a WhoIs lookup on a domain these days. 2: If you took a minute to read anything on their website before trying to be the hero where you most certainly will fail here, they are not a "business" nor do they have any interest in being a company. Its 2 guys in their garages who got sick of the big companies waiting games and crap customer service. It's just my opinion but after the months of overnight super companies with their 2nm miracle miners, or the big companies with the never ending guessing game of when will i get my equipment, I am glad to see the little guy fight back. Even if they are only making 200 machines. 3: If in fact it is a scam, then they sure wasted a ton of money with advanced circuits having them make a ton of PCB's for their vaporware as you want to imply, they also wasted even more time working with Nwoolls to integrate their device drivers and features into his software. 4: If you take even a minute to read through anything on their site (which it's obvious you have not ), they have been pretty honest and straight forward about their intentions, who they are, and what they are doing. They are no big business, and dont even refer to themselves as a company. It's their "project" to beat the odds. 5: Yeah, i dont really have anything for 5, except every group buy or new miner is going to have a few accusations, many of them legit. I am sure you didnt look too much further than a whois domain lookup or any of my own activity at all, but if you had, you would have found that i was the one who verified the CTS miner was a scam. For you to think that i would stake my reputation on this forum, with me being so new, on a product i did not dig a mile deep into, would be pure insanity. In closing, i understand and am fully aware that accusations and trolls are a part of any topic or thread on this forum, and i fully expected to get a ton of them on this thread with me being newer to the forum....... But if we are going to go down this road, can we please skip the WhoIs ninja's who spend no more than 5 minutes looking into something and think they have the magic answer. You are all very entitled to litter this thread with your blather, those of us who are here to get a good deal on hardware will manage to navigate through your litter. But if you must, please do more than 5 minutes of homework. |
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Thanks for your feedback. I knew it was only a matter of time, and its totally fine. Just a few things i would like to point out to you, not trying to change your opinion or anything, but if we are going to go down this road now i think we might as well be sure to get the facts straight.
1: The PO box listed belongs to Yahoo, which is a reseller of domains for Melbourne IT. It took me 2 minutes on google to find that out. It seems everyone thinks they are a super slueth because they can do a WhoIs lookup on a domain these days.
2: If you took a minute to read anything on their website before trying to be the hero where you most certainly will fail here, they are not a "business" nor do they have any interest in being a company. Its 2 guys in their garages who got sick of the big companies waiting games and crap customer service. It's just my opinion but after the months of overnight super companies with their 2nm miracle miners, or the big companies with the never ending guessing game of when will i get my equipment, I am glad to see the little guy fight back. Even if they are only making 200 machines.
3: If in fact it is a scam, then they sure wasted a ton of money with advanced circuits having them make a ton of PCB's for their vaporware as you want to imply, they also wasted even more time working with Nwoolls to integrate their device drivers and features into his software.
4: If you take even a minute to read through anything on their site (which it's obvious you have not ), they have been pretty honest and straight forward about their intentions, who they are, and what they are doing. They are no big business, and dont even refer to themselves as a company. It's their "project" to beat the odds.
5: Yeah, i dont really have anything for 5, except every group buy or new miner is going to have a few accusations, many of them legit. I am sure you didnt look too much further than a whois domain lookup or any of my own activity at all, but if you had, you would have found that i was the one who verified the CTS miner was a scam. For you to think that i would stake my reputation on this forum, with me being so new, on a product i did not dig a mile deep into, would be pure insanity.
In closing, i understand and am fully aware that accusations and trolls are a part of any topic or thread on this forum, and i fully expected to get a ton of them on this thread with me being newer to the forum....... But if we are going to go down this road, can we please skip the WhoIs ninja's who spend no more than 5 minutes looking into something and think they have the magic answer. You are all very entitled to litter this thread with your blather, those of us who are here to get a good deal on hardware will manage to navigate through your litter. But if you must, please do more than 5 minutes of homework.
I did read the site and it is all just text with nothing to support any of the info. No links, no txid's for chip purchase, nothing but words. I would like you to prove this is a legit deal. If so, I will be a customer and once I have ran the miner I will support it with mining facts and pics of the miner running. But....So far, everything on the site does not bode well to this being a real miner. How about some photos of the miner with the case lid off while it is mining? There was just a 72 hr test run, where are pics or videos of this test run? The pics of the miner components with forum user name on a piece of paper will make a lot of difference. Pics of a generic 4u case is not proof of an asic miner. You can change my perception of this miner with some proof. If you do, I will create a post stating a retraction to my previous posts here. BTW here is the info from nwoolls: Hi Nwools, Sorry to cut in on your thread but i found a miner last night that claims to have MM support and they say they have talked with you about this and will have some advanced support with MM like overclocking. I just wanted to verify that was true and that they have in fact spoke with you to make sure its not a scam. They said something about sending you a demo machine in march on their website which made me a little worried so i wanted to verify your support with MM of their miner. They are calling it the VX-1 miner if that helps you remember them. The blog post i found it on is here http://www.vxminers.com/blog/2014/01/26/multi-miner-compatibility-confirmedCould you verify this for me please? If its true i want to get some ordered before everyone else finds out about them. Yes I can confirm this is true. I will say I have no proof of hardware or anything of that sort. But I have been talking to them, they are working on the source for MultiMiner to add support for their rigs, and they are intending on sending me a unit so that I can maintain their changes. They seem like very bright and nice folks. Nothing seems shady (to me) so far. Notice the " no proof of hardware or anything of that sort". |
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February 08, 2014, 08:03:14 AM |
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Thanks for your feedback. I knew it was only a matter of time, and its totally fine. Just a few things i would like to point out to you, not trying to change your opinion or anything, but if we are going to go down this road now i think we might as well be sure to get the facts straight.
1: The PO box listed belongs to Yahoo, which is a reseller of domains for Melbourne IT. It took me 2 minutes on google to find that out. It seems everyone thinks they are a super slueth because they can do a WhoIs lookup on a domain these days.
2: If you took a minute to read anything on their website before trying to be the hero where you most certainly will fail here, they are not a "business" nor do they have any interest in being a company. Its 2 guys in their garages who got sick of the big companies waiting games and crap customer service. It's just my opinion but after the months of overnight super companies with their 2nm miracle miners, or the big companies with the never ending guessing game of when will i get my equipment, I am glad to see the little guy fight back. Even if they are only making 200 machines.
3: If in fact it is a scam, then they sure wasted a ton of money with advanced circuits having them make a ton of PCB's for their vaporware as you want to imply, they also wasted even more time working with Nwoolls to integrate their device drivers and features into his software.
4: If you take even a minute to read through anything on their site (which it's obvious you have not ), they have been pretty honest and straight forward about their intentions, who they are, and what they are doing. They are no big business, and dont even refer to themselves as a company. It's their "project" to beat the odds.
5: Yeah, i dont really have anything for 5, except every group buy or new miner is going to have a few accusations, many of them legit. I am sure you didnt look too much further than a whois domain lookup or any of my own activity at all, but if you had, you would have found that i was the one who verified the CTS miner was a scam. For you to think that i would stake my reputation on this forum, with me being so new, on a product i did not dig a mile deep into, would be pure insanity.
In closing, i understand and am fully aware that accusations and trolls are a part of any topic or thread on this forum, and i fully expected to get a ton of them on this thread with me being newer to the forum....... But if we are going to go down this road, can we please skip the WhoIs ninja's who spend no more than 5 minutes looking into something and think they have the magic answer. You are all very entitled to litter this thread with your blather, those of us who are here to get a good deal on hardware will manage to navigate through your litter. But if you must, please do more than 5 minutes of homework.
I did read the site and it is all just text with nothing to support any of the info. No links, no txid's for chip purchase, nothing but words. I would like you to prove this is a legit deal. If so, I will be a customer and once I have ran the miner I will support it with mining facts and pics of the miner running. But....So far, everything on the site does not bode well to this being a real miner. How about some photos of the miner with the case lid off while it is mining? There was just a 72 hr test run, where are pics or videos of this test run? The pics of the miner components with forum user name on a piece of paper will make a lot of difference. Pics of a generic 4u case is not proof of an asic miner. You can change my perception of this miner with some proof. If you do, I will create a post stating a retraction to my previous posts here. BTW here is the info from nwoolls: Hi Nwools, Sorry to cut in on your thread but i found a miner last night that claims to have MM support and they say they have talked with you about this and will have some advanced support with MM like overclocking. I just wanted to verify that was true and that they have in fact spoke with you to make sure its not a scam. They said something about sending you a demo machine in march on their website which made me a little worried so i wanted to verify your support with MM of their miner. They are calling it the VX-1 miner if that helps you remember them. The blog post i found it on is here http://www.vxminers.com/blog/2014/01/26/multi-miner-compatibility-confirmedCould you verify this for me please? If its true i want to get some ordered before everyone else finds out about them. Yes I can confirm this is true. I will say I have no proof of hardware or anything of that sort. But I have been talking to them, they are working on the source for MultiMiner to add support for their rigs, and they are intending on sending me a unit so that I can maintain their changes. They seem like very bright and nice folks. Nothing seems shady (to me) so far. Notice the " no proof of hardware or anything of that sort". Yeah, i'm sorry man, i'm not here as a salesman or to change your opinion. I am sure over the next week as they get things more organized i will get my hands on some better pictures and stuff, but jumping through hoops for trolls is not on my to-do list. If there is one thing i have learned in my short time here it is that trying to defend anything to trolls or the quick to accuse is just feeding them more ammo to have more stuff to blather about aimlessly. Not trying to be rude but your order is not that important to me. All i am getting out of this is about $200 in savings for shipping if i manage to get 50 orders together, and someone gets a free machine. Just follow the thread, pictures and info will be added as i get it. Thats all i have to offer. If you dont find what you are looking for as things get updated, then dont order. I'm not taking any funds yet anyways. |
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February 08, 2014, 08:45:52 AM |
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To be fair I don't see any trolling or accusing. Just a request for more information. You can't blame people for being nervous after the amount of money that has been lost to scams.
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February 08, 2014, 08:49:45 AM |
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Put me down for 1 as well - Hopefully these guys can deliver on time, or deliver at all...  It would be nice to see more pics/videos though... |
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February 08, 2014, 10:31:15 AM |
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Write me down for 1 as well.
Just curious though... I live in Europe (Netherlands to be precise) and stuff sent from China (Bitmain S1 Antminer) is quite cheap on customs. However, everything I've ordered from USA always comes with such a high amount I have to pay...
Do you already know what you'll put on the box/invoice? Which company will you use to ship the item?
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February 08, 2014, 10:39:43 AM
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The Observer has been registered for just over a month. Even if the guy is a genuine honest person, there's no way to know. You'd be crazy to part with your cash on this thread.
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February 08, 2014, 04:25:58 PM |
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Put me down for 1 as well - Hopefully these guys can deliver on time, or deliver at all... It would be nice to see more pics/videos though... Got you down, Also sent Larry an e-mail asking for more pic's, He said he would have some by monday for me, also said video would be a problem, where they live at i guess they only have satellite internet and uploading video is next to impossible, but pics wont be a problem. Write me down for 1 as well.
Just curious though... I live in Europe (Netherlands to be precise) and stuff sent from China (Bitmain S1 Antminer) is quite cheap on customs. However, everything I've ordered from USA always comes with such a high amount I have to pay...
Do you already know what you'll put on the box/invoice? Which company will you use to ship the item?
Got you marked down as well, He said UPS for shipping when i asked the first time, and that he bought a roll of UL and CE stickers to help the guys over seas, Customs declaration will be a $300 computer. from this group buy he said all shipping will be free. But if you would like i can inquire a little bit more for you. The Observer has been registered for just over a month. Even if the guy is a genuine honest person, there's no way to know. You'd be crazy to part with your cash on this thread.
In all due fairness, you have been here for a long time, and i still would have no way to know i could trust you either. Your age on this forum is not a measure of honesty. For that matter, i have worked it out with the guys at VX miners to take the payments directly so i will not be collecting or holding any funds EVER for this group buy. So if you want to troll about something, troll about making payment direct to the manufacturers who are not a part of this forum at all mainly because they dont care about it as they only have 200 machines to unload. |
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February 08, 2014, 06:55:04 PM |
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The Observer has been registered for just over a month. Even if the guy is a genuine honest person, there's no way to know. You'd be crazy to part with your cash on this thread.
In all due fairness, you have been here for a long time, and i still would have no way to know i could trust you either. Your age on this forum is not a measure of honesty. For that matter, i have worked it out with the guys at VX miners to take the payments directly so i will not be collecting or holding any funds EVER for this group buy. So if you want to troll about something, troll about making payment direct to the manufacturers who are not a part of this forum at all mainly because they dont care about it as they only have 200 machines to unload. Age on the forum may be no guarantee of trustworthiness, but it goes a long way if you can browse over several hundred posts from a person and get a measure of their history, participation in group buys, trust status etc. The fact that you are so defensive (calling me a troll - nobody ever has before) raises even more suspicion for me. This is a typical tactic for a scammer and I have seen it used many times on the forums. I never said you were a scammer and for all I know you are a genuine honest person. My point was that given the lack of history available on your account, new users on here (or anyone for that matter) would be crazy to trust you with thousands of pounds/dollars/whatever your flavour. I'm not up for a big debate on it, but I've seen lots of people just disappear and leave the buyers (quite often newbies) in the lurch. To anyone considering giving this complete stranger your cash, think. |
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February 08, 2014, 07:24:44 PM |
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The Observer has been registered for just over a month. Even if the guy is a genuine honest person, there's no way to know. You'd be crazy to part with your cash on this thread.
In all due fairness, you have been here for a long time, and i still would have no way to know i could trust you either. Your age on this forum is not a measure of honesty. For that matter, i have worked it out with the guys at VX miners to take the payments directly so i will not be collecting or holding any funds EVER for this group buy. So if you want to troll about something, troll about making payment direct to the manufacturers who are not a part of this forum at all mainly because they dont care about it as they only have 200 machines to unload. Age on the forum may be no guarantee of trustworthiness, but it goes a long way if you can browse over several hundred posts from a person and get a measure of their history, participation in group buys, trust status etc. The fact that you are so defensive (calling me a troll - nobody ever has before) raises even more suspicion for me. This is a typical tactic for a scammer and I have seen it used many times on the forums. I never said you were a scammer and for all I know you are a genuine honest person. My point was that given the lack of history available on your account, new users on here (or anyone for that matter) would be crazy to trust you with thousands of pounds/dollars/whatever your flavour. I'm not up for a big debate on it, but I've seen lots of people just disappear and leave the buyers (quite often newbies) in the lurch. To anyone considering giving this complete stranger your cash, think. I can agree with you on the points you made, and my apologies on branding you a troll. I guess i have just just over anticipated the normal idiots who lurk here on the forms and was quick to assume that you were one of them. I was not intending to be "defensive" more so just making my point that i really dont give a rats ass about the opinions of the typical forum troll with a hyper inflated ego, which after looking through your history i can see you are not. So again, i apologize for being so quick to jump to conclusions. You make some valid points. Again for anyone who is still following, i have worked it out with the guys at VX miners so that if we hit the 50 unit requirement for the group buy, you will be dealing with them directly on payment so you dont have to "trust" me with your money/Bitcoin when payment comes due. Also i cannot seem to find the post about the website that Sushi used for his free miner giveaways so that we can use that same service for selecting the winner of the free miner from this group buy. If anyone could lend a hand with that i would greatly appreciate it. Being newer to the forum, i am still trying to figure out the search functions and best way to find old posts. Thanks |
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February 08, 2014, 07:27:03 PM |
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It seems to me that these types of pop-up 'we have what you want' types would be well served to shoot a very short and sweet video and post on their web site/youtube showing what hardware they have, etc.
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February 08, 2014, 07:44:15 PM |
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It seems to me that these types of pop-up 'we have what you want' types would be well served to shoot a very short and sweet video and post on their web site/youtube showing what hardware they have, etc.
JMO
I would tend to agree with you iglasses, i asked about pictures and a video and the guys said pictures are not a problem but video poses some issues. I guess where they live they have to use satellite internet and uploading a video even to youtube fails every time. When i lived in arizona i had satellite internet myself so i know what they are talking about so i just kind of let the video idea go although it would have made this a shit ton easier on me. Hopefully some more detailed pictures will help ease the minds of the worried. If all else fails, i guess i just pay the $200 in shipping for my 2 machines and order from them direct by myself. Nothing ventured nothing gained i guess with this group buy, at least from my standpoint. i figured it would be hard, but not this hard. Time will tell i guess. |
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February 08, 2014, 07:54:52 PM |
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sorry only half watching. to search, click on the lollipop beside the search field and use google
the video thing would worry me now, they better take one and courier it to you pronto
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February 08, 2014, 07:58:48 PM |
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sorry only half watching. to search, click on the lollipop beside the search field and use google
the video thing would worry me now, they better take one and courier it to you pronto
Hey good thinking Railzand, i had never thought of that, 10 points for thinking outside the box. I will e-mail them right now. |
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February 08, 2014, 09:47:15 PM |
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Hi, plz put me on the list for 2. Hope they can add some more images especially from the inside. I'm in the EU, so the shipping part is kinda interesting for me. If we don't touch 50, it would be nice that they can reserve the ones from the group buy, and perhaps do something with the shipping?
One other thing, according to the website blog overclock is easy but would require an 1100 watt PSU. Would like that one installed right away. Any possibilities with that?
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February 08, 2014, 09:58:10 PM |
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Hi, plz put me on the list for 2. Hope they can add some more images especially from the inside. I'm in the EU, so the shipping part is kinda interesting for me. If we don't touch 50, it would be nice that they can reserve the ones from the group buy, and perhaps do something with the shipping?
One other thing, according to the website blog overclock is easy but would require an 1100 watt PSU. Would like that one installed right away. Any possibilities with that?
Thanks Maxximus, got you marked down. Will for sure be getting some pictures of the inside soon i hope. Maybe a video too if they are willing to accommodate shipping me one to upload. As for the overclocking thing, they will only be shipping the standard configuration. They are not a big outfit and not equipped to do much more than offer different color LED's in their fans and thats only because they had to order different colors to get enough fans. They already ordered all the PSU's for the units and shelled out what i would think is a ton of money just to make 250 units total with 200 for sale. From what i understand its as easy as unplugging the 24 pin from the original PSU and plugging in the new one. If getting the PSU is a concern for you, i might be able to help. I am going to be ordering mine from tiger direct for my units and might be able to order an extra pair for you and ship them to you if Tiger or nobody will deliver directly to you. |
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February 09, 2014, 04:32:05 AM |
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Well, 10 units spoken for is not a bad start i guess, but at the current rate / day i dont think we will get 50 before they dont have 50 to sell. These guys might be S.O.L from this forum, not that i think they cared anyways. I was shocked that they did not do their own group buy thing here, well not really shocked, more so curious to a point. From what i have read in the past month i guess it is a serious headache to deal with some people on the forum.
If push comes to shove and we are not near 50 when they get below 100 left, how many of you guys would still buy one direct from them if they still offered free shipping without the chance at winning a free miner? I want to have a contingency plan if we dont hit the target so you guys who took the time and interest in them still get some sort of a deal and it never hurts to ask them if they would still work with us.
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February 09, 2014, 06:16:29 AM |
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Please put me down for 1 if it includes shipping to Australia.
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February 09, 2014, 06:49:51 AM |
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Please put me down for 1 if it includes shipping to Australia.
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