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Title: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: pauldulong on February 09, 2014, 11:31:29 AM Hi everybody,
Im running a GPU farm with 50Mh here in the Netherlands and use exclusively MiddleCoin as my pool. In general I'm satisfied with their payments and stability. But over the last days/weeks everything became more and more unstable and new pools are hitting ground. Thats why I want to do a good comparison between all the big pools. My plan is to point one miner 2.4Mh to each pool for 48 hours. Let them pay out to a new BTC address and after the 48 wait for another 48 hours to let all the coin mature. All miners will have a fail-over to another MiddleCoin pool address, just in case. I will measure the results in BTC/MH. So pools I'm looking at right now are:
Do you guys have other suggestions for pools that you want to test, or variables I need to keep in mind? Let me know. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Kapz786 on February 09, 2014, 01:02:14 PM Can't add anything but would love to see your results
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: haploid23 on February 10, 2014, 01:35:49 AM I would extend your 48 hour test to more like 1 or 2 weeks so the variances average out. In the 2 days that you do your test, some pools will be more lucky than others.
I'm currently running a test between middlecoin and wafflepool for about a week now, pointing equal hash rates to both pools. Will post results soon. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: spartan82 on February 10, 2014, 03:00:30 AM Reserved. Curious to see the results..
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: evel on February 10, 2014, 03:33:18 AM Do you guys have other suggestions for pools that you want to test, or variables I need to keep in mind? I would like to see the performance vs direct pool mining using Coinwarz.com + multiminer app ( https://github.com/nwoolls/MultiMiner ) trading.Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: mirza92 on February 10, 2014, 04:36:22 AM Would also like to see the results.
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Dabs on February 10, 2014, 05:01:04 AM 1. clevermining
2. wafflepool 3. coinsolver 4. middlecoin 5. megamultipool 6. switchercoin 7. poolwarz 8. plain old just Litecoin 9. just Dogecoin 10. just Tagcoin 11. just Bitcoin (okay, maybe this might "waste" your miner, but wanted to see just how bad this is today.) Make sure they all mine at about the exact same time, so we can see how they do. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: PummelHummel on February 16, 2014, 12:36:43 PM So what did you find out?
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: igroock on February 16, 2014, 12:41:22 PM CleverMining is having serious connection issues. I had 4 times as many stale as I did accepted. Never have I seen such stats on my 20MH system.
MiddleCoin is what I have been using but as OP stated they are slowly turning into crap. Payouts are inconsistent. When the system works it works, but when it doesnt you might as well switch. Used Miltipool for a while and not impressed. They dont mine the same number of coins, and having to deal with coin transfers is a PITA. Doge transfers take an avg of 12 hours at times, which is insane. I switched to Waffle. Will see how that goes, but so far so good. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: NameTaken on February 16, 2014, 12:44:36 PM http://www.reddit.com/r/multimining/wiki/index/pool_list
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455835.0 With "--balance" your miner will mine evenly to all your pools. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: jrrsparkles on February 16, 2014, 01:53:58 PM Do give us, altcoinplex, a tryout at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=428955
Hi everybody, Im running a GPU farm with 50Mh here in the Netherlands and use exclusively MiddleCoin as my pool. In general I'm satisfied with their payments and stability. But over the last days/weeks everything became more and more unstable and new pools are hitting ground. Thats why I want to do a good comparison between all the big pools. My plan is to point one miner 2.4Mh to each pool for 48 hours. Let them pay out to a new BTC address and after the 48 wait for another 48 hours to let all the coin mature. All miners will have a fail-over to another MiddleCoin pool address, just in case. I will measure the results in BTC/MH. So pools I'm looking at right now are:
Do you guys have other suggestions for pools that you want to test, or variables I need to keep in mind? Let me know. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: moehawk on February 16, 2014, 02:25:29 PM Long time lurker, you guys should try altcoinspool https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=469018.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=469018.0) it just got out of closed beta And now public, compare it and see the excellent results, it is most likely one of the fairest pools available..yes I was a beta testa and I had excellent success.
~Hawk Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: pauldulong on February 17, 2014, 07:52:44 PM I'm setting up the miners right now. I want to use --balance with around 8 pools, is that fair enough or each miner its own pool?
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: pauldulong on February 17, 2014, 08:44:13 PM Ok, today at 21:30 CET I've started the experiment. I used 5 miners generating in total 12Mh/s. I'm testing the following pools:
All miners mine at all the pools at the same time and use the --balance variable to send equal shares to all of them. I didn't do a pure Dogecoin pool because there is a fork at the moment. There are two MiddleCoin pools in the list to find the difference between different MC servers. I'll keep you guys posted! Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: trdiablo on February 17, 2014, 08:57:05 PM Interesting, curious for the results
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: ckoeber on February 17, 2014, 09:00:04 PM Great work. Your results can definitely change things.
The more details the better. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: oktay50000 on February 17, 2014, 09:04:50 PM post result asap ;D
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Hotsauce on February 17, 2014, 09:20:21 PM Ok, today at 21:30 CET I've started the experiment. I used 5 miners generating in total 12Mh/s. I'm testing the following pools:
All miners mine at all the pools at the same time and use the --balance variable to send equal shares to all of them. I didn't do a pure Dogecoin pool because there is a fork at the moment. There are two MiddleCoin pools in the list to find the difference between different MC servers. I'll keep you guys posted! Looking forward to seeing the results, thanks for doing this! Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: gaalx on February 17, 2014, 09:27:16 PM if you can put on a different power pools simultaneously and find the average value for each 1 Mh. Thank you!
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: lordshawk on February 17, 2014, 09:51:04 PM Did my own comparison of just Clever, Waffle and Coinsolver.
Clever came out on top.. thought Coinsolver was next but Waffle looks better. Im speaking to strictly profits though and not comparing rejects or any other criteria. Interested in seeing your results. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Zamboniman on February 17, 2014, 09:56:53 PM Thanks for doing this, I'm interested in the results.
How are you correcting for rejects due to differing ping times at your location? Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Aaroenz0r on February 17, 2014, 10:48:03 PM interested!
Just switched over to Waffle myself, because of the transparancy, but I would like to see the actual results! Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Dimrain13 on February 17, 2014, 10:55:31 PM Hell yeah, I cant wait for the results.
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: glon on February 17, 2014, 11:10:22 PM Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: kimpeck on February 18, 2014, 12:45:58 AM Add WemineAll
:) Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: pauldulong on February 18, 2014, 01:05:54 AM Add WemineAll :) What is their BTC/Mh/Day of the last days? For me to consider a pool it need to be > 0.010 BTC/Mh/Day Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: kimpeck on February 18, 2014, 01:10:02 AM So far slightly above 0.01
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: jbass350z on February 18, 2014, 01:37:13 AM Cant wait for results. i am not impressed with middlecoin so far considering how many people are using it
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: TheFuneral on February 18, 2014, 01:54:12 AM Thanks for doing this. I appreciate it.
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: shango on February 18, 2014, 06:59:36 AM So?
How does it look like so far ? Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: CoinBuzz on February 18, 2014, 07:43:47 AM Do give us, altcoinplex, a tryout at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=428955 Hi everybody, Im running a GPU farm with 50Mh here in the Netherlands and use exclusively MiddleCoin as my pool. In general I'm satisfied with their payments and stability. But over the last days/weeks everything became more and more unstable and new pools are hitting ground. Thats why I want to do a good comparison between all the big pools. My plan is to point one miner 2.4Mh to each pool for 48 hours. Let them pay out to a new BTC address and after the 48 wait for another 48 hours to let all the coin mature. All miners will have a fail-over to another MiddleCoin pool address, just in case. I will measure the results in BTC/MH. So pools I'm looking at right now are:
Do you guys have other suggestions for pools that you want to test, or variables I need to keep in mind? Let me know. altcoinplex.com seems profitable, tested for some days Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: pauldulong on February 18, 2014, 08:59:27 AM Here are some preliminary results, just to give an indication after 12 hours of mining:
No payouts yet, these are balances including unexchanged, immature and estimated earnings. For some reason my account for MC EU is not shown on the page (yet). Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Kroenen on February 18, 2014, 09:28:31 AM Here are some preliminary results, just to give an indication after 12 hours of mining:
No payouts yet, these are balances including unexchanged, immature and estimated earnings. For some reason my account for MC EU is not shown on the page (yet). Awesome, thanks for doing this. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: maardein on February 18, 2014, 09:29:31 AM Does the balancing feature work properly? I have tried it a few times with only 2 pools, and every time like 80% of my hashrate was going to pool 1, and 20% to the other pool, sometimes flipping around. In the end the hashrate was absolutely not balanced.
Maybe it would be better to really start a separate instance of cgminer for each pool? Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: ckoeber on February 18, 2014, 09:33:47 AM Here are some preliminary results, just to give an indication after 12 hours of mining:
No payouts yet, these are balances including unexchanged, immature and estimated earnings. For some reason my account for MC EU is not shown on the page (yet). Thank you for your work thus far. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Monetizer on February 18, 2014, 09:36:36 AM The only real way to test it properly is to point 10 Mh/s at each of the 5 pools over 7 days to find which mines the best coins. Reason being is that different coins pop up all the time with different earnings for each...
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: ckoeber on February 18, 2014, 09:42:12 AM The only real way to test it properly is to point 10 Mh/s at each of the 5 pools over 7 days to find which mines the best coins. Reason being is that different coins pop up all the time with different earnings for each... Good point; you would be testing not just the algorithms each pool uses but how they are maintained (for example which of the pool operators are the fastest in adding hot new coins, etc.). Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: dadach on February 18, 2014, 09:56:35 AM add wemineall :)
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Okilo on February 18, 2014, 11:48:35 AM I've been pointing 1.3 MHs at megamultipool for the last 12 hours, it fluctuates wildly since it's smaller and deals with diff of occasionally up to 512 (unsure of the other multipools' diff). I think it will take a while for it to average out - days, at least. As I calculate it, I've seen as low as 0.0002 and as high as 0.0011. Currently 0.0003 in the last 6 hours.
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: spiderdk on February 18, 2014, 11:58:55 AM MC is having issued these last 2 days, will not represent real profit, i belive it is now fixed, need to check with them.
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: shango on February 18, 2014, 01:00:44 PM MC is having issued these last 2 days, will not represent real profit, i belive it is now fixed, need to check with them. How did you decide it is now fixed ? Stats are stuck again Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: jbass350z on February 18, 2014, 02:51:54 PM I've run middlecoin for a week and returns were aweful. Much less than .01/mhs daily.
One note on your test, 48hours may be too short to determine true results. One pool could have a lucky day and skew the results. I would like to see you run this test for a week at least and report daily stats along with an overall 7-day earnings. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: johncarpe64 on February 18, 2014, 03:42:46 PM MC is having issued these last 2 days, will not represent real profit, i belive it is now fixed, need to check with them. How did you decide it is now fixed ? Stats are stuck again MC always have these issue, it come and go once every week. So I am leaving MC too.. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Okilo on February 18, 2014, 05:15:25 PM Update after 12.5 hours with megamultipool, 0.00025573 BTC/mhs/hr. Pretty disheartening and it's pretty tempting to just switch. But I'll hang on for another day or two and see JUST FOR YOU GUYS 8) ... Hoping to see a better spread over a longer period of time.
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: ckoeber on February 18, 2014, 05:18:16 PM Update after 12.5 hours with megamultipool, 0.00025573 BTC/mhs/hr. Pretty disheartening and it's pretty tempting to just switch. But I'll hang on for another day or two and see JUST FOR YOU GUYS 8) ... Hoping to see a better spread over a longer period of time. How much hashing power are you throwing at it? Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Okilo on February 18, 2014, 05:24:24 PM Update after 12.5 hours with megamultipool, 0.00025573 BTC/mhs/hr. Pretty disheartening and it's pretty tempting to just switch. But I'll hang on for another day or two and see JUST FOR YOU GUYS 8) ... Hoping to see a better spread over a longer period of time. How much hashing power are you throwing at it? 1.3 mhs... my total btc/hr is 0.00033245, = 0.0061375 btc/mhs/day. clevermining or wafflepool haven't gone that low in the last 30 days. i might pull the plug on it. maybe the pool is too small? WafflePool saw a HUGE increase in hash power today so I want to stay away for now. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: bigblind on February 18, 2014, 05:55:25 PM Update after 12.5 hours with megamultipool, 0.00025573 BTC/mhs/hr. Pretty disheartening and it's pretty tempting to just switch. But I'll hang on for another day or two and see JUST FOR YOU GUYS 8) ... Hoping to see a better spread over a longer period of time. GIVE THIS MAN A COOKIE! Tell us your btc adress for some donations :) Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Okilo on February 18, 2014, 11:43:13 PM Update after 12.5 hours with megamultipool, 0.00025573 BTC/mhs/hr. Pretty disheartening and it's pretty tempting to just switch. But I'll hang on for another day or two and see JUST FOR YOU GUYS 8) ... Hoping to see a better spread over a longer period of time. GIVE THIS MAN A COOKIE! Tell us your btc adress for some donations :) It's right there in my sig dude! Here: 1PZkpadPyUNW7YR4nMobgvKg6nprkRH9bp But my tracking had to start over unfortunately.. Had to deal with some optimization issues, cpu is freezing up every couple minutes with a new gpu and i'm troubleshooting. I'll keep y'all updated. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: spinx on February 19, 2014, 12:07:36 AM Im very interested for some deeper results, awesome job!
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: element515 on February 19, 2014, 12:07:47 AM Thanks for doing this. Nice to see my support of Clevermining is well placed so far.
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: gtraah on February 19, 2014, 12:52:56 AM I pointed my miner at clever mining and I started at 45% rejected after 1 hr i am at 23 % , I am out to waffle to check it out
By the way last I checked clever before bailing was 30% reject.... Waffle 10 minutes 0% Rejects Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: chirale on February 19, 2014, 01:23:19 AM This post is so good! Well done! Awaiting For final verdict!
I was also looking into This pools And starter a list of all The profit-switching pools here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455835.0 Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: STT on February 19, 2014, 01:51:41 AM Try Cgwatcher. It will auto switch coins for you, its a program not a pool. Gives more control
Im mystified you dont try multipool.us , send it to cryptsy on autosell and see if that pays better also. Its the original and some say the best! Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: pauldulong on February 19, 2014, 10:11:55 AM I'm using CGwatcher on all my rigs, but not to switch pools. I like pools that do the trading to BTC for me, I don't want to manage 20 different tools or use shitty auto-trade features (looking at you Cryptsy)
Okay, the new PRELIMINARY results are in for 11 CET
Interesting results here. I dropped MiddleCoin EU from this experiment because my BTC address still doesn't show up. Also MC has really low return, I'm changing my farm to another pool. Unexpected Hashbros is in the top three. Just 12 more hours to go! Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: oreoeater on February 19, 2014, 10:15:45 AM nice round up man, keep up the good work! post address for donations!
EDIT: silly me, just seen it in your sig... Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: t00tie on February 19, 2014, 11:16:16 AM Does the balancing feature work properly? I have tried it a few times with only 2 pools, and every time like 80% of my hashrate was going to pool 1, and 20% to the other pool, sometimes flipping around. In the end the hashrate was absolutely not balanced. Maybe it would be better to really start a separate instance of cgminer for each pool? I have the exact same problem. All work goes to the first pool and the others see lots of discarded. From irc: 12:02:39 - t00tie: Does anyone know how to mitigate "Discarded work due to new blocks: 42"? I can't get load-balance to work properly on pools with different difficulty 12:03:01 - kke: load balance on different coins is going to do that always 12:03:41 - kke: cgminer thinks they're the same coin and discards work on all pools when one stratum (even a failover stratum which is disabled) announces a block change 12:05:13 - kke: that's why the test where the dude had 50/50 middlecoin/hashcows was kind of bad Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Kapz786 on February 19, 2014, 11:38:32 AM Great work gents keep the info comming
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: pauldulong on February 19, 2014, 11:54:13 AM As we speak I'm splitting my farms up to Clever and Waffle, to get a better comparison without the balance function
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: NameTaken on February 19, 2014, 11:59:03 AM What rejection rate are you getting with CleverMining?
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: pauldulong on February 19, 2014, 12:25:14 PM What rejection rate are you getting with CleverMining? An awefull lot 18.6% .... Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: gtraah on February 19, 2014, 03:14:19 PM What rejection rate are you getting with CleverMining? An awefull lot 18.6% .... So wait a minute your daily payout was More than Waffle even with those reject rates at clever? REason I turned to waffle is the Rejection scared me @ clever, so instead of wasting time i quickly moved to waffle.... I am now wondering if thaat was a good move. A tthe end f the day rejection or no rejection Payout is the key right? I am keen to see your new results between Clever and Waffle these seem ro be the top dogs sso far as I hav been seeing in the last couple days of your tests Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: jbass350z on February 19, 2014, 03:52:52 PM Careful with the results.. If everyone moves to clever they are going to suck too! It seems when a pool gets too large they cant sustain the smaller profitable coins.
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: gnomegawd on February 19, 2014, 03:56:01 PM switch pools suck man, so does middlecoin, you lose over 30% of daily profits due to middlecoin trading habbits.
beware there are much better mining options. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Okilo on February 19, 2014, 05:25:21 PM What rejection rate are you getting with CleverMining? An awefull lot 18.6% .... So wait a minute your daily payout was More than Waffle even with those reject rates at clever? REason I turned to waffle is the Rejection scared me @ clever, so instead of wasting time i quickly moved to waffle.... I am now wondering if thaat was a good move. A tthe end f the day rejection or no rejection Payout is the key right? I am keen to see your new results between Clever and Waffle these seem ro be the top dogs sso far as I hav been seeing in the last couple days of your tests I too had high reject rates, > 20% on three different cards that are currently averaging < 4% on another pool. I didn't stay long. I'm curious how they're still able to make profit. There must be something inaccurate or something we don't know about those abnormally high reject rates. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Firehand on February 19, 2014, 05:42:28 PM CleverMining is supposed to have new EU server opening soon, which should ease reject rates for european miners. Even 15% rejection rate would be acceptable for me at CleverMining but atm I'm getting 20-30% (randomly spiking to 50%) each card, which has turned me to WafflePool untill EU server opens.
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Wipeout2097 on February 19, 2014, 05:53:57 PM As I said elsewhere, don't let rejects scare you. Some coins naturally lead to high % of stales and lost work, due to fast block times. Pool operators compensate for stales when they choose coins, I hope.
There are scenarios where the above is false, like when you're too far from the pool or the pool's coin node is far from others (e.g. is mining a coin only popular in Asia) or when the pool operator didn't fine tune. I can't even discuss well the reasons of rejects. What I'm trying to say is though, don't run away from higher payouts just because the miner software window looks ugly. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: r00tdude on February 19, 2014, 09:28:58 PM I might mention that clevermining implemented some newer equipment today and the base reject rate has dropped quite a bit. I actually saw it go below 5% for a period of time. That said, all switching pools suffer higher rejects and stales because of the stales created during a switch to another coin, and the fact that some coin strata (faster coins) have contention because of the fast block times. Comes with the territory...
I have my hash power split between middlecoin and clever for the last 48 hours or so - the smaller rig grinding MC and the larger grinding Clever to spread out the variance and average my returns - and I'm pretty pleased with the results. My 1.8MH rig on MC will likely clear .02 BTC for the last 24 hours while my 4.8MH rig will clear about .05 on Clever. If I had more rigs, I'd use them the same way - one or two mining on each pool and sit back and enjoy the action. YMMV r00tdude Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: UdjinM6 on February 19, 2014, 09:47:19 PM I might mention that clevermining implemented some newer equipment today and the base reject rate has dropped quite a bit. I actually saw it go below 5% for a period of time. That said, all switching pools suffer higher rejects and stales because of the stales created during a switch to another coin, and the fact that some coin strata (faster coins) have contention because of the fast block times. Comes with the territory... MC sold a lot of unexchanged "in manual mode" so it's not quite fair comparison.I have my hash power split between middlecoin and clever for the last 48 hours or so - the smaller rig grinding MC and the larger grinding Clever to spread out the variance and average my returns - and I'm pretty pleased with the results. My 1.8MH rig on MC will likely clear .02 BTC for the last 24 hours while my 4.8MH rig will clear about .05 on Clever. If I had more rigs, I'd use them the same way - one or two mining on each pool and sit back and enjoy the action. YMMV r00tdude I have my rigs evenly split between 3 pools (MC, clevermining, altcoinplex) and gonna stay for about a week or so to have some reasonable average. Next week I guess the worst one will be replaced with another pool and so on... thinking of wafflepool as one of the best candidate. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Wipeout2097 on February 19, 2014, 09:55:43 PM I might mention that clevermining implemented some newer equipment today and the base reject rate has dropped quite a bit. I actually saw it go below 5% for a period of time. That said, all switching pools suffer higher rejects and stales because of the stales created during a switch to another coin, and the fact that some coin strata (faster coins) have contention because of the fast block times. Comes with the territory... Perhaps you could do even a bit better if you use load-balance, instead of pointing each rig to a different pool...I have my hash power split between middlecoin and clever for the last 48 hours or so - the smaller rig grinding MC and the larger grinding Clever to spread out the variance and average my returns - and I'm pretty pleased with the results. My 1.8MH rig on MC will likely clear .02 BTC for the last 24 hours while my 4.8MH rig will clear about .05 on Clever. If I had more rigs, I'd use them the same way - one or two mining on each pool and sit back and enjoy the action. YMMV r00tdude Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: drTEntacle on February 19, 2014, 10:09:07 PM I've made long time statistics for my rigs ~13.5 Mhash/s pointed to Middlecoin.
The data suggest the average value to be 0.01166 BTC/Mhash when mining Middlecoin. The rigs are located at three different physical locations. Each location has its own wallet. I've constructed them consecutively -with pause a few weeks between each. The longest running location was mining at Middlecoin for 41 days. The shortest was mining for 12 days. I used the data obtained from http://mc.vegr.com/flotchart.php?BTC= And processed them in Excel (in order to correctly count with "Infinity" values present and to add days with 0 payout for the locations that were not payed every day (note: the website calculates the average payment only across the days when some payment occured - which is not actually correct since Middlecoin payment occurs iff your accumulate more than 0.01 BTC)) Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: r00tdude on February 20, 2014, 01:11:16 AM I might mention that clevermining implemented some newer equipment today and the base reject rate has dropped quite a bit. I actually saw it go below 5% for a period of time. That said, all switching pools suffer higher rejects and stales because of the stales created during a switch to another coin, and the fact that some coin strata (faster coins) have contention because of the fast block times. Comes with the territory... Perhaps you could do even a bit better if you use load-balance, instead of pointing each rig to a different pool...I have my hash power split between middlecoin and clever for the last 48 hours or so - the smaller rig grinding MC and the larger grinding Clever to spread out the variance and average my returns - and I'm pretty pleased with the results. My 1.8MH rig on MC will likely clear .02 BTC for the last 24 hours while my 4.8MH rig will clear about .05 on Clever. If I had more rigs, I'd use them the same way - one or two mining on each pool and sit back and enjoy the action. YMMV r00tdude I've tried Balance and Load Balance before but my hash rates fell by 20% using those methods. Do you have a magic pill that makes it work properly for you? Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: codon on February 20, 2014, 04:23:11 AM Guys, guys, it's all good! H20 just came back from his vacation and tweeted: "The pool wasn't properly recording some blocks starting on the 16th. Stats will be frozen while the pool crunches some numbers.".
See? He will just "fix" the numbers! So the exodus can stop now! j/k, I think it's overdue that h2o suffers for his incredible and repeated unprofessionalism. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: gtraah on February 20, 2014, 05:21:29 AM So I was getting 1.4 % over 1 days of mining @ waffle within the first 1hr of mining at waffle I didn't get any rejects and if I can remember it may have been so little as in 0.03 % Always over 100% efficiency hovering between 120-140%
Now my point of all this is I just aimed my miner at clever and 47 minutes in and 33.46% Rejects & 75% Efficiency If i can gt some advise from more experienced users from either pool What shall I do , just leave it at clever and not care about the rejects and just wait for the payout? Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: zer0k on February 20, 2014, 07:47:17 AM Please point some hashing power to a Scrypt-N coin as it seems to be beating all of the plain scrypt coins right now.
I just jumped ship from middlecoin, hascows, multipool.us etc. over to Trademybit - https://pool.trademybit.com/home/. I believe they are the first site to have PANDA and VTC on a switching Scrypt-N pool. Your card will get about 45-50% less hashing power doing Scrypt-N compared to normal scrypt coins With right around 500K (So 1Mhash on plain Scrypt) I am easily doing over .020BTC per 24 hours for the last few days You could get autopay in BTC but that costs you 2% in fees, so I just setup an autopay out to Mintpal and Crypsty Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: ckoeber on February 20, 2014, 07:53:05 AM Please point some hashing power to a Scrypt-N coin as it seems to be beating all of the plain scrypt coins right now. I just jumped ship from middlecoin, hascows, multipool.us etc. over to Trademybit - https://pool.trademybit.com/home/. I believe they are the first site to have PANDA and VTC on a switching Scrypt-N pool. 1Mh on plain Scrypt is only 400-500K on Scrypt-N, however I am doing over .020BTC per 24 hours You could get autotrade and lose 2% in fees or just setup a pay out to whererver you want to exchange them Interesting; worth a shot. They pay out in BTC? I hopped over to the site but I didn't see the payout scheme. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: ckoeber on February 20, 2014, 07:53:44 AM Nevermind; found it. Additional 2% fee for auto-exchange.
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: pauldulong on February 20, 2014, 10:27:42 AM Ok, the experiment is over! I stopped all miners. I'll post preliminary results soon. For the definitive results I'll wait 48 hours to let everything be exchanged. Also MiddleCoin announced that statistics were off. Hopefully they compensate for their poor statistics in these hours.
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: pallas on February 20, 2014, 10:30:12 AM Please point some hashing power to a Scrypt-N coin as it seems to be beating all of the plain scrypt coins right now. I just jumped ship from middlecoin, hascows, multipool.us etc. over to Trademybit - https://pool.trademybit.com/home/. I believe they are the first site to have PANDA and VTC on a switching Scrypt-N pool. Your card will get about 45-50% less hashing power doing Scrypt-N compared to normal scrypt coins With right around 500K (So 1Mhash on plain Scrypt) I am easily doing over .020BTC per 24 hours for the last few days You could get autopay in BTC but that costs you 2% in fees, so I just setup an autopay out to Mintpal and Crypsty Interesting, I was looking for non-scrypt-non-sha256 multipools and this is the first. What mining software are you using? A modified cgminer for scrypt-N? Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: jdebunt on February 20, 2014, 10:40:20 AM looking forward to the preliminary results.
I finally got a second GPU & now mining with 1.25 Mhash/s on MiddleCoin, if one of the other pools turns out better, I might have to look into it Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: phrozenspite on February 20, 2014, 11:12:44 AM Please point some hashing power to a Scrypt-N coin as it seems to be beating all of the plain scrypt coins right now. I just jumped ship from middlecoin, hascows, multipool.us etc. over to Trademybit - https://pool.trademybit.com/home/. I believe they are the first site to have PANDA and VTC on a switching Scrypt-N pool. Your card will get about 45-50% less hashing power doing Scrypt-N compared to normal scrypt coins With right around 500K (So 1Mhash on plain Scrypt) I am easily doing over .020BTC per 24 hours for the last few days You could get autopay in BTC but that costs you 2% in fees, so I just setup an autopay out to Mintpal and Crypsty Interesting, I was looking for non-scrypt-non-sha256 multipools and this is the first. What mining software are you using? A modified cgminer for scrypt-N? Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: bttalkdim on February 20, 2014, 01:02:32 PM I made some calculations and short test,
and looks like scrypt-n at trademybit.com is not very profitable. My 8 mhs at Wafflepool made for me about 0.085 btc for last 24 hours. with scrypt-n on same rigs I get about 3.4 mhs, and with current PANDA and VTC rates I should receive almost same 0.0084 btc. but now Panda goes down, for calculations I take 0.00000030 https://www.mintpal.com/market/PANDA/BTC few hours ago it was 0.00000050 and was much more profitable. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Lokki on February 20, 2014, 04:42:58 PM How about comparison results? :) Do you have any finals? :)
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: zer0k on February 20, 2014, 05:48:57 PM Wow, PANDA tanked hard overnight. That has messed the profitability up badly :(
It needs to rebound to .40+ to get back in front now. Thank god for Trademybit moving over to VTC during the night. Scrypt-N multipool FTW :) It still looks still slightly better than Scrypt coins right now. You can create a spreadsheet to track the profitability of all the different coins with the following formula. Coins per day = (86400 x BlockReward x Hashrate) / Difficulty * 4295032833) Blockreward - how many blocks are paid out by the coin Hashrate - Your hashrate. take 45-50% off for Scrypt-N coins Difficulty - current coin difficulty Then you can multiply coins per day by BTC and/or USD prices to work out your real profits. This obviously doesn't take into account pool and transaction fees, but it is a start to working out profits. Huge thanks to Jarred for that - http://www.holynerdvana.com/2014/02/how-to-calculate-coins-per-day-for-any.html If you can find a website that lists all coins, blockreward, difficulty, and btc price you can setup a data import into excel and automate the whole process. The best I have found so far is Trademybit front page as it has all the info and is easy to automatically import into excel. If anyone wants my spreadsheet it's here, and I welcome any improvements as I'm a bit of an excel hack - https://copy.com/eCBcBMU6NLMy Can't wait to see the results from the OP :D Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: bttalkdim on February 20, 2014, 10:08:01 PM Good excel.
How to import data to "raw data" table? Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: zer0k on February 20, 2014, 10:14:25 PM Good excel. How to import data to "raw data" table? It automatically imports every 60 seconds already :) Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: bttalkdim on February 20, 2014, 10:23:47 PM It automatically imports every 60 seconds already :) o, it's perfect!Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: induktor on February 20, 2014, 10:25:34 PM Excellent post!
Very useful information One interesting thing about wafflepool (that I think, ALL pools should DO) is that, they use password as a difficulty setting. if you password is: "d=256" you will mine at a fixed 256 difficulty fantastic! I always hated the 1024 FIXED difficulty from middlecoin but take it, because the profits where good anyways. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: bttalkdim on February 20, 2014, 11:26:59 PM It automatically imports every 60 seconds already :) something not work for me, write "can't open https://pool.trademybit.com"Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Panteraswift on February 21, 2014, 04:17:55 PM Any final results yet?
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: STT on February 22, 2014, 02:33:21 AM Interesting review, I reckon I know who wins but the clever scrypt-n switching idea might steal victory
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: bitcoinmineey on February 22, 2014, 04:49:06 PM Why was multipool.us not included in this comparison
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: ANJULE on February 22, 2014, 05:19:25 PM At least multi-pool doesn't pay in BTC. Maybe that is it ???
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Zamboniman on February 22, 2014, 06:53:59 PM One interesting thing about wafflepool (that I think, ALL pools should DO) is that, they use password as a difficulty setting. if you password is: "d=256" you will mine at a fixed 256 difficulty fantastic! Right now, perhaps temporarily or perhaps not, Wafflepool has changed that, and diff is now hardcoded at 512 as the operator works on tweaking some things and improving profitability. More details can be found in the wafflepool thread. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: sgsdebruijn on February 22, 2014, 09:14:51 PM Poolpicker.eu
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Zamboniman on February 22, 2014, 10:47:11 PM Poolpicker.eu Is there an API? This would make it relatively easy to write a script to auto-change your miners to the highest profitability pool. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Wipeout2097 on February 22, 2014, 10:51:43 PM Poolpicker.eu Is there an API? This would make it relatively easy to write a script to auto-change your miners to the highest profitability pool. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: ckoeber on February 22, 2014, 11:19:23 PM You can always parse http://poolpicker.eu/text.php, but that does not mean it works well in practice. There's a cost from switching, you need to consider unexchanged balance, your ping to those pools is certainly different, past performance doesn't guarantee the future, etc... +1 Here is what I posted on the Middlecoin thread: Quote Actually this is a lot more difficult that it looks. All of the information on payouts, etc. from that website are based on old (12+ hour) data. You wouldn't be doing yourself any favors by switching to a pool that had a good payout YESTERDAY. What you would need to do is get live data from the pools and then do a switch. Then you must also keep in mind that most multi-pool's data is notoriously slow to get and unreliable. But, it is a worthwhile venture. ;D Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: JessicaSe on February 23, 2014, 12:41:04 AM Looks like cleavermining is the winner!!
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: atp1916 on February 23, 2014, 12:46:58 AM Looks like cleavermining is the winner!! Cleavermining ;D Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: glon on February 23, 2014, 09:07:52 AM Looks like cleavermining is the winner!! Where's the final results? Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Panteraswift on February 23, 2014, 04:10:44 PM Looks like cleavermining is the winner!! Where's the final results? +1 I really want to see them. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: FrankieSaysRelax on February 23, 2014, 04:11:38 PM Looks like cleavermining is the winner!! Where's the final results? +1 I really want to see them. they are on http://poolpicker.eu Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: glon on February 23, 2014, 04:35:58 PM Looks like cleavermining is the winner!! Where's the final results? +1 I really want to see them. they are on http://poolpicker.eu That site is not related to the OP. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: ckoeber on February 23, 2014, 10:06:31 PM they are on http://poolpicker.eu That site is not related to the OP. Might as well be; the whole point of the OP was to get what the website is giving you live. There is no longer any point in waiting for the OP results. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: oreoeater on February 23, 2014, 10:13:20 PM they are on http://poolpicker.eu That site is not related to the OP. Might as well be; the whole point of the OP was to get what the website is giving you live. There is no longer any point in waiting for the OP results. yep agree. this is a good site ! Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: FrankieSaysRelax on February 24, 2014, 12:42:08 AM Looks like cleavermining is the winner!! Where's the final results? +1 I really want to see them. they are on http://poolpicker.eu That site is not related to the OP. who cares? still the results you're looking for Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: coins101 on February 24, 2014, 12:56:21 AM Has anyone split equal miners across all the pools for, say 48hrs?
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: zer0k on February 24, 2014, 01:35:51 AM they are on http://poolpicker.eu That site is not related to the OP. Might as well be; the whole point of the OP was to get what the website is giving you live. There is no longer any point in waiting for the OP results. Except there are only 4 multipool sites and none of then do Scrypt-N or any of the other coins. We need expanded results :D Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: igroock on February 24, 2014, 06:08:46 AM The issue here is that waffle has almost 3 times the number of hash power and mines completely different coins because of such power. Where as Clever mines smaller coins. I watched clever grow from .7 to 5.1gh and it's profits were down consistently as it grew.
Point is, you have to compare pools at equal hash rates. When Clever was below 1gh it was doing better but as it grew it's payouts declined. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: stone51 on February 25, 2014, 02:24:36 PM Hey guys, little question: Those earning shown on poolpicker.eu are with or without the fee ? :) Because that's different for all pools middle is 3, cleavermining 2 and wafflepool 1... Could be interesting to know that too ! If someone can answer ::)
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: jedimstr on February 25, 2014, 03:26:33 PM Hey guys, little question: Those earning shown on poolpicker.eu are with or without the fee ? :) Because that's different for all pools middle is 3, cleavermining 2 and wafflepool 1... Could be interesting to know that too ! If someone can answer ::) If they are using the paid out numbers from all three pools, then that would be after all fees are taken out. Middle, Clever and Waffle all post paid numbers after fees are extracted. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Dabs on February 26, 2014, 03:24:49 AM Average for 14 days:
Quote Days Middlecoin CleverMining WafflePool HashCows 14 0.0084644 0.01098014 0.0101796 0.00902857 So in order from highest to lowest: 1. 0.01098014 = CleverMining 2. 0.01017960 = WafflePool 3. 0.00902857 = HashCows 4. 0.00846440 = Middlecoin Well, then, set up your pools in that order, failover mode, and you have 3 backups. Every week or so, look at the averages, and re-arrange your pools. If you have 4 separate rigs, set up each one with a different primary pool, and the others as backup. Put all of your rigs on either a timer or a script that detects problems, then reboots each rig. Cash out some coins, pay the electric bill for the month, take a vacation and drink a pina-colada on some tropical beach. Those of us who only have 1 or 2 rigs, well, what can I say? hehehehe. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Dabs on February 26, 2014, 06:41:01 AM And I've now modified my cgminer.conf
Quote { "pools" : [ { "url" : "stratum+tcp://Dabs-Favorite-Pool:3333", "user" : "1DabsXmraEr18jdEryck8jzcFku873xmRf", "pass" : "x" }, { "url" : "stratum+tcp://us.clevermining.com:3333", "user" : "1DabsXmraEr18jdEryck8jzcFku873xmRf", "pass" : "x" }, { "url" : "stratum+tcp://eu.wafflepool.com:3333", "user" : "1DabsXmraEr18jdEryck8jzcFku873xmRf", "pass" : "x" }, { "url" : "stratum+tcp://coinsolver.com:3333", "user" : "1DabsXmraEr18jdEryck8jzcFku873xmRf", "pass" : "x" }, { "url" : "stratum+tcp://asia.middlecoin.com:3333", "user" : "1DabsXmraEr18jdEryck8jzcFku873xmRf", "pass" : "x" } ] , "failover-only" : true, "intensity" : "200 million", "vectors" : "1", "worksize" : "as large as you can make it", "lookup-gap" : "2", "thread-concurrency" : "99990 for my scrypt ASIC", "gpu-engine" : "3125", "gpu-memclock" : "3500", "gpu-memdiff" : "0", "gpu-vddc" : "1.0", "gpu-powertune" : "20", "gpu-fan" : "50 slow but steady wins the race", "auto-gpu" : true, "temp-cutoff" : "80", "temp-overheat" : "70", "temp-target" : "60 cuz I'm cool", } Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: pauldulong on February 26, 2014, 03:16:37 PM Hi people, I was on holiday for a week, gonna put the results together soon!
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: pauldulong on February 26, 2014, 03:36:28 PM The results are in! The winner is CleverMining!
It was a close call between CleverMining and WafflePool, they gave me practically the same results. However, CleverMining has a high reject rate (10-30%), with closer servers coming in the future I expect higher payouts. MiddleCoin admitted they had problems with stats and founding blocks, so their result may not be representative over the long term, as said earlier they gave me the highest payout before. Unfortunately, Hashbros announced they will shut down soon - so they don't really count anymore. And for some reason I can't find my results for the MiddleCoin EU mining. tl;dr: Mine on CleverMining or Wafflepool Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: ckoeber on February 27, 2014, 07:03:44 PM Thank you for doing this.
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: 110110101 on February 28, 2014, 02:56:00 PM ..... Mine on CleverMining or Wafflepool Big thanks pauldulong for your testing. Interesting reading! Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: zneww on February 28, 2014, 05:26:20 PM The results are in! The winner is CleverMining!
It was a close call between CleverMining and WafflePool, they gave me practically the same results. However, CleverMining has a high reject rate (10-30%), with closer servers coming in the future I expect higher payouts. MiddleCoin admitted they had problems with stats and founding blocks, so their result may not be representative over the long term, as said earlier they gave me the highest payout before. Unfortunately, Hashbros announced they will shut down soon - so they don't really count anymore. And for some reason I can't find my results for the MiddleCoin EU mining. tl;dr: Mine on CleverMining or Wafflepool Thanks for doing this! I want to add for CoinSolver that they are still in beta and they have new stuff coming soon :) Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: zer0k on February 28, 2014, 05:55:15 PM Need to add https://pool.trademybit.com as well...they've been good to me so far :D
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: dyce on February 28, 2014, 10:32:15 PM someone make a multimultipool.
connects to the most profitable multipool ;D Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: TheLarger on February 28, 2014, 11:08:08 PM You guys should really try www.altcoinspool.com >> new/young pool with a great owner!
Im currently mining at it, but we need a bit more mhs so its more prof for all of us :) Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: zer0k on March 01, 2014, 02:57:36 AM You guys should really try www.altcoinspool.com >> new/young pool with a great owner! Im currently mining at it, but we need a bit more mhs so its more prof for all of us :) Profitability (BTC/1Mhash/24hr): Mar-01: 0.00574085 Feb-28: 0.00844617 Feb-26: 0.00423872 Seems a bit on the low side :( Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: 110110101 on March 02, 2014, 10:19:04 AM Something to consider is what the multipool is in fact mining. The pools that are mining away on the more profitable coins, especially your new hot altcoin de jour, seem to have a higher output compared to a pool mining more mature coins. That could possibly explain why hashcows has been more profitable these past few days, all according to poolpicker.eu
I can not say anything for the longer period as I just switched to this kind of pool mining one week ago. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: daynomate on March 03, 2014, 05:36:24 AM Another new one to add - coinshift.com
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Deroba on March 03, 2014, 05:38:26 AM someone make a multimultipool. connects to the most profitable multipool ;D I was actually thinking of making this. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: grendel25 on March 03, 2014, 06:53:04 AM someone make a multimultipool. connects to the most profitable multipool ;D I was actually thinking of making this. My understanding is that this would undermine the components of PPLNS that make it successful. Basically, the longer you stay with one PPLNS the more you get and it can take over 24 hours for the full profitability to be reached. For such a thing to work it would have to be able to evaluate and project profitability encompassing time spans over 24 hours. This would be really something. For now, it's just as well to use something like pool picker. Just watch it day by day and see how various pools are doing and then make your decision or change up based on weekly trends. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: brooklynite on March 04, 2014, 06:34:50 AM The results are in! The winner is CleverMining!
It was a close call between CleverMining and WafflePool, they gave me practically the same results. However, CleverMining has a high reject rate (10-30%), with closer servers coming in the future I expect higher payouts. MiddleCoin admitted they had problems with stats and founding blocks, so their result may not be representative over the long term, as said earlier they gave me the highest payout before. Unfortunately, Hashbros announced they will shut down soon - so they don't really count anymore. And for some reason I can't find my results for the MiddleCoin EU mining. tl;dr: Mine on CleverMining or Wafflepool That is absolutely not true right now. Celvermining did about 0.007 in the past two days I am with them. Pretty disappointed. I just made my electricity money. Previously I did 0.0109 on my own mining different coins and trading for BTC. I\t did take about 4 hours a day of my time but it was fun too. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: zneww on March 04, 2014, 04:35:44 PM The results are in! The winner is CleverMining!
It was a close call between CleverMining and WafflePool, they gave me practically the same results. However, CleverMining has a high reject rate (10-30%), with closer servers coming in the future I expect higher payouts. MiddleCoin admitted they had problems with stats and founding blocks, so their result may not be representative over the long term, as said earlier they gave me the highest payout before. Unfortunately, Hashbros announced they will shut down soon - so they don't really count anymore. And for some reason I can't find my results for the MiddleCoin EU mining. tl;dr: Mine on CleverMining or Wafflepool That is absolutely not true right now. Celvermining did about 0.007 in the past two days I am with them. Pretty disappointed. I just made my electricity money. Previously I did 0.0109 on my own mining different coins and trading for BTC. I\t did take about 4 hours a day of my time but it was fun too. Note the date posted... Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: FoFFiFFe on March 04, 2014, 04:51:52 PM That is absolutely not true right now. Celvermining did about 0.007 in the past two days I am with them. Pretty disappointed. I just made my electricity money. Previously I did 0.0109 on my own mining different coins and trading for BTC. I\t did take about 4 hours a day of my time but it was fun too. I think you're a little upset but this is wrong. Clevermining past days: February 28, 2014: 0.012434 BTC March 1, 2014: 0.011097 BTC March 2, 2014: 0.009461 BTC March 3, 2014: 0.007927 BTC Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: zneww on March 04, 2014, 04:54:41 PM That is absolutely not true right now. Celvermining did about 0.007 in the past two days I am with them. Pretty disappointed. I just made my electricity money. Previously I did 0.0109 on my own mining different coins and trading for BTC. I\t did take about 4 hours a day of my time but it was fun too. I think you're a little upset but this is wrong. Clevermining past days: February 28, 2014: 0.012434 BTC March 1, 2014: 0.011097 BTC March 2, 2014: 0.009461 BTC March 3, 2014: 0.007927 BTC Where are you gettin those stats? If it's the CM website, lol. This guy is giving you an actual report of what he mined. Not what the site said he mined. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: FoFFiFFe on March 04, 2014, 05:02:56 PM That is absolutely not true right now. Celvermining did about 0.007 in the past two days I am with them. Pretty disappointed. I just made my electricity money. Previously I did 0.0109 on my own mining different coins and trading for BTC. I\t did take about 4 hours a day of my time but it was fun too. Where are you gettin those stats? If it's the CM website, lol. This guy is giving you an actual report of what he mined. Not what the site said he mined. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: zneww on March 04, 2014, 05:13:11 PM That is absolutely not true right now. Celvermining did about 0.007 in the past two days I am with them. Pretty disappointed. I just made my electricity money. Previously I did 0.0109 on my own mining different coins and trading for BTC. I\t did take about 4 hours a day of my time but it was fun too. Where are you gettin those stats? If it's the CM website, lol. This guy is giving you an actual report of what he mined. Not what the site said he mined. He was also posting on something out of date as I stated. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: zer0k on March 04, 2014, 05:21:22 PM A little more detail - http://poolpicker.eu/text.php
Code: Date Middlecoin CleverMining WafflePool HashCows Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: TheSmo on March 06, 2014, 11:04:42 PM Thanks, donated a few Satoshis.
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: brooklynite on March 07, 2014, 03:27:12 AM So far exactly 100 hours of up time on Clevermining, I started Sunday March 2 and here are my results:
My hashrate according to Multiminer 2.67MH/s (less than 1% reject) My hashrate according to Cleverminig 2.20MH/s (about 12% reject) Overall profits in 4 days 4 hours (100 hours) = 0.06873 BTC Divided by 100hrs * 24 = 0.01632 BTC / MH/s /Day Daily profit based on my ACTUAL 2.67MH/s hashrate in 4 days = 0.006177 / MH.s/ Day <-- Not very pleased :-\ In all fairness its been really bad in the past two weeks, and it may be getting worse. All January Coinwarz used to show I can make 1 BTC in 30 days or less with my RIG (thats 0.012 BTC/MH/Day). My personal avg switching coins manually every few hours using new altcoins and coinwarz yielded me 0.0108 BTC/Day per MH. Not soo bad, but it took about 4 hours of my day. with Clevermining now I spend 4 minutes a day just making sure its up and running. So where is all this hashrate coming from? AMD is continuously out of stock everywhere. I think there may be lot more ASICs than we know of that stupid 70kh/s USB dual miner BS. There may be Gigahash ASICs coming out for Scrypt and not advertised yet and this has started specially since early February. Maybe I should switch to VTC. But I have no idea how to calculate profitability for that. The Windows miner is not on Vertcoin.org and even when it was it raised all kinds of virus alerts when I downloaded it first time so I deleted it back then. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: brooklynite on March 07, 2014, 03:36:26 AM A little more detail - http://poolpicker.eu/text.php Code: Date Middlecoin CleverMining WafflePool HashCows What POOLPICKER doesnt take into consideration is actual hashrate vs pool accepted hashrate. In my case with Cleverminig there is a big difference. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: zneww on March 08, 2014, 12:22:58 AM Now, I did a short two day comparison with CoinSolver and CleverMining.
It appears during these two days that CoinSolver did beat out Clever. Two payouts from Clever: 0.01036633 BTC and 0.01075317 BTC for my 2Mh/s One payout from CoinSolver for two day(Exchange issue): 0.022693226 BTC or 0.011346613 BTC for 2 days. After that, I only had one payout from CS be near CM, which was 0.0104 and that being my lowest payout from CS. Not a lot of time or data, but preliminary results. CoinSolver is only getting better. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: grendel25 on March 08, 2014, 05:35:09 AM So far exactly 100 hours of up time on Clevermining, I started Sunday March 2 and here are my results: My hashrate according to Multiminer 2.67MH/s (less than 1% reject) My hashrate according to Cleverminig 2.20MH/s (about 12% reject) Overall profits in 4 days 4 hours (100 hours) = 0.06873 BTC Divided by 100hrs * 24 = 0.01632 BTC / MH/s /Day Daily profit based on my ACTUAL 2.67MH/s hashrate in 4 days = 0.006177 / MH.s/ Day <-- Not very pleased :-\ In all fairness its been really bad in the past two weeks, and it may be getting worse. All January Coinwarz used to show I can make 1 BTC in 30 days or less with my RIG (thats 0.012 BTC/MH/Day). My personal avg switching coins manually every few hours using new altcoins and coinwarz yielded me 0.0108 BTC/Day per MH. Not soo bad, but it took about 4 hours of my day. with Clevermining now I spend 4 minutes a day just making sure its up and running. So where is all this hashrate coming from? AMD is continuously out of stock everywhere. I think there may be lot more ASICs than we know of that stupid 70kh/s USB dual miner BS. There may be Gigahash ASICs coming out for Scrypt and not advertised yet and this has started specially since early February. Maybe I should switch to VTC. But I have no idea how to calculate profitability for that. The Windows miner is not on Vertcoin.org and even when it was it raised all kinds of virus alerts when I downloaded it first time so I deleted it back then. I wouldn't attribute the drop in scrypt profitability entirely to a boost in scrypt mining power. Performance of all exchanges were impacted by the gox fiasco. That hasn't fully worked out and from what I read it is possible there is another exchange that may also have issues (crypcy?). Hopefully it all works out. But another issue is a possible alt coin bubble to burst. Doge made a lot of people rich.. but at what cost? That energy will also disperse. So, there are likely other bubbles to burst and growing pains to endure as digital currency evolves. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: CoinBuzz on March 08, 2014, 02:21:39 PM anybody mine on coinshift.com ?
Seems that they are open to public again. any experience with them ? Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: SamE on March 08, 2014, 03:02:23 PM anybody mine on coinshift.com ? Seems that they are open to public again. any experience with them ? Ive had 1MH pointed at Coinshift for 3 days now. The pool is stable, rejects are very low. Results are less than I was hoping, around .006 per MH. I love the concept though, and the results are not so bad that I'd leave. I'm only getting slightly better results at Clevermining. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: bigblind on March 10, 2014, 08:25:46 PM that Multipools atm are killing the complete altcoinmarket...
around 100GH on multipools. this is insane. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: grendel25 on March 11, 2014, 03:14:31 AM that Multipools atm are killing the complete altcoinmarket... around 100GH on multipools. this is insane. Oh, not really. That logic doesn't really apply here. It's really dependent on liquidity to cash and when that value goes up even lowly scrypt coin miners get happy. The more positive PR and consumerism the better. The current slow down is mostly because of perception of fragility invoked by the gox fiasco. People are treading lightly but the modest improvements and stability in BTC prices lately is a good start for recovery. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: Wipeout2097 on March 11, 2014, 03:42:15 AM that Multipools atm are killing the complete altcoinmarket... around 100GH on multipools. this is insane. Oh, not really. That logic doesn't really apply here. It's really dependent on liquidity to cash and when that value goes up even lowly scrypt coin miners get happy. The more positive PR and consumerism the better. The current slow down is mostly because of perception of fragility invoked by the gox fiasco. People are treading lightly but the modest improvements and stability in BTC prices lately is a good start for recovery. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: STT on March 11, 2014, 03:45:02 AM no miners kills a coin, there is then no network. That is death, too much of a good thing is a phenomena every economy must deal with. I thought they were all getting gravity well now and that stops hopping or whatever is the problem
Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: nick314 on March 21, 2014, 10:17:17 PM No love for wemineall.com?
I somehow managed to get into trademybit, wondering how the scrypt-n switching does. Title: Re: Compare pools: MiddleCoin/CleverMining/HashCows/WafflePool/Hashbros Post by: iskandarX on July 16, 2015, 05:40:05 AM Have someone here have try clevermining with Gridseed G-Blade?
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