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There is a thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=458934 started by people receiving 1 satoshi from addresses beginning with "1Enjoy" and "1Sochi", but I just saw two transactions for .00000001 to my wallet from this address: 1Bhv6XjXBvraivcATHwwLMscZ5xJm9FsPn

there is a link to https://bitwars.org/ next to the address, so maybe just spam from a gambling site, but it seems fishy that all these small transactions are happening around the same time. Attack on the blockchain? dusting?

Check you wallet(s), how many people have received random deposits for .00000001?

I have had that happen several times........

I received two today, strange. how do they know my addresses? I kept them on Blockchain wallet, is blockchain hacked?

The blockchain is public.   If you've ever made a transaction, people can see your address and send coins to it.  I've had a few emails from BTC Guild users thinking that it was an error in their payout (they received 0.00000001 instead of the amount), and it was just a secondary spam transaction that somebody sent to a lot of people.

I'm not sure if that has ever happened to me before.  Most of my wallet balances don't go that many decimals, because I don't think I have any fractions of coins on any of them..

When i had e-gold, i received many one cent payments with urls. It is like advertising. If you use google adwords to advertise you have to pay more tha $1 per click. So they are trying to advertise their website using small payments.

I've received several, one is from "1Bhv6XjXBvraivcATHwwLMscZ5xJm9FsPn (Play and Win BTC )"

This isn't good advertising, in fact in one wallet it is blocking a deposit I'm trying to make.  The site scrypt.cc software isn't looking past the unconfirmed transactions.   How do we get rid of this spam?   >:(

Just received one today as I was reading this,although I personally haven't seen many mystery small incoming transactions like this since I started using Bitcoin.

Do the transactions confirm at some point?   What happened?

Maybe after a really really long period of time.

We worked around the problem, they manually funded my account and gave me a new wallet.   Still it is a real pain in the butt. 

I am seeing two .00000001 transactions today from an address of someone I sold something to last month.  

Scratch that, they were from 1Sochi and 1Enjoy

yes got one this morning but don't remember seeing one in the last couple of months before this

Thank you whoever is doing this spam!  It's a very understandable and 'wholesome' reason for tightening up some of the individual privacy and anonymity issues in future incantations of distributed crypto-currency solutions.

happened to me today too.  thought someone liked my blog post and donated...

Wait, doesn't it take more to send that transaction than it is worth? Or am I wrong about that?

No. You can chose to not pay the fee and pray to the lord that your transaction will get confirmed one day.

I wonder if any of those will ever confirm and how long it will take for all of them to be confirmed.

im a little worried about this, i have sent hours ago a transaction without fee:

https://blockchain.info/es/tx/95a2f444dfe9ffd7efa3ebd53aa4069a3a53a94d62c8af4af70feb15fb2b24a4

and it´s taking forever to confirm even once. I dont usually send transactions without fee, so i don´t know how much time is normal to wait in a case like this,,, what i wonder is if all these 1 satoshi transactions can be affecting no-fee transactions somehow, adding noise and non-confirmed transactions waiting in the line, what do you think?

Damn this language.
You should be fine soon enough.

all those number make me cry

that's like over $400 in transactio!

its always the same, in every block... it doesnt confirm and when the block resolves it is near the begining of the line... but then more transactions go in before mine.

sorry for my language, i do what i can and also im sooo sleppy right now  :P

Had this happen twice in the last 24 hours.  Neither transaction was ever confirmed and eventually they were deleted.   Original simultaneous intended transactions were dramatically slower than normal, though not sure it had anything to do with the spam sends. 

Had a mysterious double spend that failed and eventually went away as well...thinking it was part of the transaction malleability nonsense that's been going on.

I feel you. Wish I had even close to that.

I doubt any miners will include them in mined blocks

I have a cold storage address which has received 2 of these transactions but are still unconfirmed.  It would be interesting to know where the address was made public.

Does the cold-storage address have any other (confirmed) funds in it? If so, the address is on the public blockchain.

I also received 2 transactions on a blockchain.info wallet that I only used one single time to receive a payment. Very weird. Two times 0.00000001 BTC (satoshi). But the transaction hasn't yet been "confirmed". I have secured my wallets with a strong password and used two-factor-authentication.

What is happening.... is this just spam or more to be worried about?

.00000001 transactions take extra long time, due to prevent spamming on the .net work.  don't be gay

Eligius is essentially the only miner who will clear crap like this out of the queue.  If it weren't for him the set of unconfirmed transactions would grow without limit until the network just ran out of room to store them.

So they'll pretty much all remain unconfirmed until Eligius gets a block or two or three.  Send the man a tip if you appreciate him unclogging your wallet and keeping the network running.

If it matters to you that a transaction should go through, pay the dang fee.  

It doesn't matter to the spam-motivated 'dust' spreaders; they just want people to *see* the transaction (and the URL that comes with it).  Which doesn't depend on the transaction ever confirming.

Note that spam isn't the only motivation for people spreading dust; there are also people spreading dust in order to link old spends to new spends.  This means you send 'dust' to an address that received BTC in an old transaction you're interested in, then wait for the 'dust' txout to be spent in some new transaction.   Then you know that the person who made the new transaction is the same person who made the old transaction.  Your client might never choose to spend a large BTC txout from the old transaction, but is very likely to spend 'dust' almost immediately, so this is pretty effective.

Indeed.  I just checked and some of my wallets have gotten spammed also.  All of these cold storage wallets were created carefully by starting up a wallet-less bitcoind then carefully wiping everything.  They've been deeply off-line ever since.  They would have been created and stored in Q3 2011.

I probably have checked the balances on blockexplorer back in the day.

I have created a Google spreadsheet which queries blockexplorer when it still worked and more recently blockchain.info for balances.  Derived from coblee's work.  I check it occasionally.  It is shared with noone.

However their addresses have been public ever since 2011. Because p2p blockchain.

Oh ya.  That.

I wonder if this is the work of the slimy pricks at Coin Validation (Mellon, Waters, Guo) in testing out their identity mapping theories or something.

Whatever.  I always drain my cold storage wallets after retrieving them and I should be able to patch my client to just ignore this dust trx and throw it out with the wallet carcass.  <shrug>

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Whatever.  I always drain my cold storage wallets after retrieving them and I should be able to patch my client to just ignore this dust trx and throw it out with the wallet carcass.  <shrug>


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How does one "drain" a cold storage wallet? I should probably do this in the future.
I have three of these transactions for .00000001 that are not confirming. Is there a solution posted yet as to what we should do?
Thanks

By 'drain', I just mean to spend them down to zero.

As for the methods, it is being chatted about as a genuine inclusion into the reference platform to allow some outputs to be ignored in gathering them up for a spend at the user's discretion.  I won't have to take any action for until I break open one of these contaminated wallets which may be years depending on how many more of them are molested.

I also just skimmed some info about ~retep's 'dust-be-gone' script so there is probably some reference code for identifying and dealing with such spam.

I'm finally working on building a bitcoind from source out in the ether so I can adapt to things quickly or (shudder) try to dick with things a bit myself.  Been putting it off for about a year now.

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BTW...next post...

So when you spend them down to zero do you spend them by sending them to yourself at a different wallet address? Would this work to keep a wallet free of spam transactions?
Thank your for your help!

You know what is (probably) really fucked about this?

Native bitcoind (as of 8.??) will allow me to spend my funds as soon as the blockchain has caught up with the inputs.  This is critical to me since I downloading the whole blockchain takes more than a whole month of my traffic quota and I pay $80/month for it.

Currently if I want to crack open a 2011 deep storage wallet contents I can still start from scratch and be going in a couple hours at worst.

I'll bet that this dust spam is going to ruin my ability here.  Whoever did this is now officially on my shit list.  I'll take a significant interest in seeing them suffer if the opportunity arises.

Will I still be able to receive funds to a wallet that has this unconfirmed transaction, or will I need to create a new one?

Yes, when I break open a deep storage wallet, it is for the purposes of using the BTC.  I send them off to some combination of the exchanges I use (only Coinbase at the moment) and an on-line wallet service that I use (only blockchain.info at the moment.)  This helps me hedge my bets against loss since I normally string my sales out a bit.

I don't know enough about exactly what is going on yet to comment on the what effect leaving the dust out of a spend would have.

I actually don't have much reason other than philosophical ones to avoid whatever tracking might be being undertaken.  Almost all of my BTC came from Tradehill back in the day but for one I got from e-bay and a few from whatever-it-was.eu back in the first few weeks of my interest in the solution.  It pisses me off royally though that someone is doing this (to me...it wouldn't bother me nearly as much if it just happened to others :) )

If nothing else, I now have a good and personal reason to look toward whatever solutions promote privacy.

I had a transaction from Coinbase that was stuck for 21 hours and when through to the wallet that was spammed with the 1 Santoshi!   That wallet was disconnected from my account so I have to go and ask the vender to credit my account manually!    Their software won't work with a wallet that has any unconfirmed transactions.   Royal pain in the butt all over 1 Santoshi.   

You aren't the only one that was hurt by this crap!   >:(

I'm contemplating offering a reward for the highest quality DOXing that anyone can turn up within a certain timeframe.

had the same thing happen to me on cb

How many people have received random .00000001 transactions to their wallets?
February 11, 2014, 04:23:19 AM



Yes
i am get today


0.01 this signal me insult me  ??? ::)

some get this?

 :-*

Ahh yes.  I should think before I post.   ;D

and how many people have had their bitcoins stolen form their wallet only leaving behind .00000001?

just wondering that's all.

Newsflash: there is a strict distinction between "The Blockchain" (as in, the public worldwide distributed Bitcoin ledger) and "Blockchain.info", some website that offers Bitcoin-related services, including an online wallet.

ANY Bitcoin transaction that has ever been used in a transaction, is by definition included in the Blockchain, and thus visible to anyone. Of course only its existence and its balance is visible, not its owner.

Same here...1Sochi and 1Enjoy

Enjoy Sochi? So Wladimir P. is finally making friends with the BTC network, in a weird way however  ;D

LOL. Not the best way, though : )

I have also received one from 1Sochi...

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1Bhv6XjXBvraivcATHwwLMscZ5xJm9FsPn (Play and Win BTC )
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Unconfirmed Transaction! 0.00000001 BTC


Right now i am get in this moment payment
Situation i am hmmm........ i am love



i am interest this some make fo me our scene

Surprize me! insult me i am interest

Likewise, just ignore it.

N3 now  ;D

Please!!! Surprize me

They know these transactions will never confirm.  They just spam your wallet.  Be glad you don't get 1000s of those a day.

Not sure how they got accepted by the network.  Maybe the minimum fee should be enforced to reject transactions like that.

Soon, bitcoind will have to have a spam filter.  This is sort of like email in the early days.  At first it was all good, now it is a constant war to filter spam.

It just tells you that bitcoin is maturing fast.  It will have to handle all these intentional/unintentional attacks sooner rather than later.

Same here. Most from Q3 2011. At least one of my bigger cold storage wallets was hit with one of these, but it wasn't necessarily recent. I checked and a lot of old 2011 wallets are getting hit with them. It seem the more coin, the more likely to get the dust, too. Appears to have been going on for a while, now, though, not just recently. The paranoid in me suspects it's a TLA/gov't or something. Maybe trying to identify owners of specific wallets? I've also gotten dust on a Casascius coin as well.

i didn't get their attention, maybe if i send 1 BTC to them first?   ???

no where is mine wtf?

Hear! Hear!  Yes it would be great to enforce the minimum fee!   Then miners get something too!   Even the post offices charges for bulk mail. 

I got 2 of them.  F'in sh!t up!

I'm guessing that if this isn't a marketing effort, it's an attempt to associate identity with addresses - if someone receives these and replies in the affirmative with an address, well there's a hit. I'm guessing the effect is also temporal in nature (i.e target addresses within a certain balance range, certain hash range, or of a certain age to try to capture hits where the intended target doesn't respond with a specific address). For this reason, I won't reply whether I received these transactions, or what type of addresses could have received them. All I can conclude is that not every address is targeted -- anyone can verify that my public address below has not received these transactions.

If people remember their history, this is sort of like cribbing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crib_%28cryptanalysis%29) as it applied back in WWII (now called a "known-plaintext attack"). In those days, the Allies made strenuous efforts to get Germans to produce messages with known content (i.e. location of a mine, or flying a spy plane in a particular trajectory), so that the Enigma cipher could be attacked.

That seems possible ... in any case I transferred out of the wallet and am now using a new wallet.   Frankly I'm amazed that people so freely post public addresses.   I for one don't want people to know which wallet belongs to me.   

Exactly the thing though -- from cursory checking of a few cases for other people's addresses, it seems like public addresses are not in fact targeted to the same extent (what with people reporting cold wallet "attacks"). Your public addresses are known; therefore, this seems like an attempt to map "private" to public addresses.

Linking addresses requires you to spend these coins. As they will never be confirmed, you won't be spending them. So that is not the purpose (or if it was the purpose, it won't work).

Got lots of random ones across quite a few addresses. Wondered what they were.

None have confirms, so when will they disappear from my wallets?

These transactions will confirm eventually.

They are almost certainly intended to defeat pseudonymity.  This is discussed extensively in other threads.  There is also  free software available to get rid of them, at least for bitcoin-qt.

With regards to the original question about how many people have received these, I think it might be easier to ask who has conducted a bitcoin transaction over the past week and has not received any gifts of this one-Satoshi-spam.  It seems that whomever is sending these is spamming the entire blockchain.

Mine go away if I "Reset Blockchain and Transactions".

No.  I believe they will disappear in many cases.

hmm... >:(

I believe people were changing a setting on bitcoin-qt wallet to not include unconfirmed coins in the balance as a sort of work around.

not I, but would welcome a few of those  :)

that was how they spam network...

I did not get any :( :P

Didn't receive a single one.

I did get it too.

I join the club! 1enjoy showed up on my Mobilephone-Wallet yesterday. Kinda felt scary.

Mother fucking these enjoy sochi spams are getting fucking annoying

Just got 2 of those to one of my wallets....interesting...

I moved the private keys of those wallets to another wallet so it doesn't bother me.

I've received many transactions with .000000000 literally showing nothing but advertising the Vanity address being sent from~

As advertising, this is pretty annoying and quite intrusive.

As an address-linking scheme, it's almost hilariously incompetent. It appears that primarily cold wallets have been targeted. Which suggests that most people who get these satoshis won't even notice they were sent before the transactions get dropped. Even if any of the transactions confirm, going after wallets (and change addresses) which might not be accessed for months or years, if ever, doesn't exactly seem like an ideal way to go about this.

As an attack, spreading FUD and jamming some wallets... well, seems like it's actually had some effectiveness in that regard. Temporarily, at least.

:P

This sort of anonymous donating has happened since 2010 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448.0). Theymos even mentioned it as a problem back then (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557.msg5471#msg5471). The developers have done various things over the years to try to fix these, but they never truly seem to go away.

The difference today is that these are now more than just annoying and, rather, malicious in nature since they are capable of publicly identifying owners of coin.

Luckily did not receive any so far.

How will it allow identification, when the transactions never confirm?

I got one of these unconfirmed transactions also, but the strange thing is that the receiving address is not even an address that my qt wallet has in the address book.  How could this transaction even associate to my wallet with an address I don't have?

Please, please, please read some of the existing threads on this before asking a new question.

The blockchain is public. Every address you have ever used to make a transaction is public. Anyone can find addresses that have ever been used. If I send a Satoshi to every address in the blockchain, you'll get an unconfirmed Satoshi from me, yet I do not know it is you.

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I did not recieve any of those and I am happy :)

because if I will not read any news I would not know about any problems with bitcoin :D
just a price drop a bit...

:D

I am trying to understand your answer.  The disconnect I still have is that the receiving address of the unconfirmed tran, is not even one in my wallet.  My wallet has address a, b, c, d in it, for example.  The unconfirmed tran is trying to send to address x.  I don't use address x, and never have.  Why is it even in my transactions list??

So how do you even send 1 satishi without a fee?  None of my wallets will let me.

Bitcoin has a published protocol which it is possible to write clients for, and make them do things which are possible but not advisable—such as sending 1 satoshi with no tx fee.

Seems like that protocol should be changed to not allow sending anything less than what a transaction fee would be.   If you are going to spam you should pay the miners.  

That is already the case. The only change needed is in clients, to have them not display an available balance that isn't spendable (because of zero confirmations)

Many of these 1-satoshi tx do eventually confirm, don't they?  They wiggle in eventually via the <100K "free" section most miners still allow?

So is someone seriously trying to dust every used address?

Or atleast good part of them...

Well I got dusted but the satoshi sent is in perpetual limbo and its only been 2 days should be gone soon enough :)

i always laugh at people calling cryptocurrencies anonymous. its so hilarious. in fact fiat is actually infinitely more anonymous than any crypto that will ever be invented.

I received 2 in my wallets and they just stand pending for long time and do nothing.

I don't even want it. Because they will increase the fees when next time i'll be sending. Is there any way you could cancel the incoming transaction?
I think nobody thought of putting it, because every one likes money coming it..huh?

They will not increase your fees because they will never be spendable.

When I click on the transaction and then check it on blockchain, it basically tells me that the transaction cannot be found. I have around 8 of these so-called transactions in my wallet currently.

So we all must have a common thread.  I've gambled w bitcoin online.  At bitzino, etc.  Has anyone received spams that has never gambled?

All of the satochis I received from 1Enjoy and 1Sochi are gone.

Any idea where they went lol?

It doesn't seem so. Many have received them at cold-storage wallets--addresses that were only used to receive funds (even if only once.) And at least one person seems to have received the satoshis at a *change* address!

This is someone searching through the blockchain for addresses, and possibly only targeting those addresses that have not yet spent funds (I've yet to hear of a report to the contrary.)

I have 2 transactions (1 just now), received from a address I've used to receive MtGox funds

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Probably very few people like junk mail or unwanted phone calls.   I think it is the same with blockchain spam.   The key difference is the protocol could be changed to force the spammers to pay for it.  I think it should be.   At least then if you get spammed there would be some benefit.

I think every one did , its very annoying since it make the blockchain slow and you cant spend them anyway .

Nope.  They are non standard and considered dust spam.  Unless a miner specifically writes a custom client just so they can fill valuable block space with worthless low paying garbage it will never confirm.

Has anyone received them to a Bitcoin-QT wallet?

The QT client will refuse to relay these tx so the only it would be visible is if you had the bad luck of connecting to blockchain.info directly (who seems to relay any kind of rule violating spam garbage).

I checked all of my wallets and no, I have not received any of those transactions.

I must've gotten about 30 of them in total. They never confirm; and not that I would want to spend such reward... I wonder what would happen if it got mixed with coins you're sending. Oh well.

i got one about 2 wks ago into my Mycelium Android wallet as unconfirmed.

then, just today, it disappeared :)

was wondering if it had to do with something Gavin did.

but at least you got a satoshi from primedice for your spam post

Yes, the one I received is to a plain vanilla Bitcoin-QT wallet.

They're not spendable until they confirm, which will never happen, so…

Perhaps these are markers for addresses that will eventually be blacklisted by a taint authority.  Just because the reference software drops them eventually and the disappear from most people's wallets does not mean that that would be the case for a modified codebase.

I have no idea how such a thing would be helpful or implemented.  Brainstorming, I could imagine requiring vendors to modify their code to keep, say, 'enjoy, sochi' markers in order to hold a 'Bitcoin license', and somehow it would be easier to identify spends of BTC which were associated with an address so marked.

IOW, it would be a light-weight marker which could be used to allow people to run stand-alone, but serve as a trigger telling users that they need to check with a taint authority for particular transactions.  The taint authority could insert these markers and communicate directives to retain them.  If non-authorities tried the same trick it would not matter since force of law would not require honoring them and thus they could not be used for DOS purposes (via creating excessive load.)

Solution:

Restart the Blockchain and Transactions in your wallet.

Then dust transactions are gone.

I have some reading to do,

I noticed 50% of my Casascius Bitcoins I bought in November of 2011 have been given Bitcoin dust.


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just checked and what do you know they have vanished.

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everyone who had a transaction show up and posted here can not be tagged :-\.

They only vanished because of a piece of code in whatever client you are looking at which forgets about unconfirmed transactions after a certain amount of time.

It would be kind of a an elegant solution to be able to analyze the block chain for taint using an HPC cluster, and tag targeted addresses using a mechanism like this.  And it would not be terribly onerous to force people to look for the tagging and make a ping back to mothership when they see one.  If the operator wish to or are forced to honor a taint authority that is.

As I've said before, I'll certainly be checking for taint and rejecting tainted bitcoins even though I personally am extremely negative about tainting for a variety of reasons.  I'll even patch my system to do this if need be.  I'm not going to eat a bullet for others and accept devalued bitcoins just out of some noble principle, and I suspect that 99% of those who think they will will change their minds when the chips are down.  This is why I believe that tainting will work extremely well if it gets worms it's way in.

Ok. Now I'm getting way too many of these things. What can be done?

yes. then blockchain got rid of them and then i got two more

So Mike Caldwell, could have been laundering dirty Bitcoin onto Casascius coins?

Sure he could have, either knowingly or unknowingly, but that's tangential.  Anyone who has any BTC which they did not personally mine or track back to the original miner could have tainted coins (depending on who's deciding what taints what) and thus could be playing a part in 'laundering dirty bitcoins.'

In the above threads I was only musing on how blacklisting/tainting might be implemented in a workable manner.  My musings on private_key<->individual_identity mappings which relates to Casascius is contained elsewhere.

Telling everyone to check with a tainting authority for every transaction has operational difficulties.  Telling everyone to look for a tag and require that they check with an authority (if they wish to understand the magnitude of the devaluation) only if they spot a tag which the system carries along is much more tenable.

Of course it would be impossible to tell me as an individual how I must value the coins I hold, but it would be rather easy for the government to tell TigerDirect that they must consult whatever taint authority gains a government charter.  That would be part of have a 'Bitcoin License.'  And again, I personally will value BTC which cannot be spent at TigerDirect less than BTC which can.  And will avoid them.

Whatever outfit gains a government charter to taint Bitcoins will have amazing power over the Bitcoin economy.  Much more so than the feeble powers of the treasury and federal reserve in USD-land.

Now the question is has any of these transactions been confirmed?? If yes then how will it affect the existing balance in the wallet??

when does it happen?

are they still spamming BTC network?

Well, it could be a trial for such a system, but if so they are implementing/testing it oddly.

I have a few old cold storage wallets with a semi-notable amount of coin each from 2011. Nothing has changed on them for about two and a half years now. All public keys for them were funded directly from a single purchase on Gox, but only 1 of which received a dust transaction. So either I've got some stacks of coin that should have been tainted but weren't, or one of those stacks was falsely marked via this system as tainted.

If it is a taint system, I'd be pretty surprised at what their possible explanation could be for the justification of marking a stack of coin from 2011 as tainted.

I can also confirm I've had at least two Casascius coins tained of varying face values, both from November 2011.

That seems possible ... in any case I transferred out of the wallet and am now using a new wallet.   Frankly I'm amazed that people so freely post public addresses.   I for one don't want people to know which wallet belongs to me.

Back when I was a buyer in Q3/Q4 2011 I was using Tradehill exclusively.  Mt. Gox tried their hand at taint analysis and locked up the accounts of a few people.  Within a few days it became clear that the BTC had come through Tradehill and the users impacted were simply doing arbitrage.  Supposedly the value in question originated with the ~allinvain theft (or purported theft.)

I mention this because it is certainly the case that old BTC from 'our time' are definitely prone to being tracked.  Probably even more so as the history was less complex back then.

I'll also note that at the 2013 SJ conference Vessenes (then and now the chairman of the board of the Bitcoin Foundation) said in no uncertain terms that people should not use mixing services because their coins could end up tainted.  The implication I took from this was that taint would be, or could be, applied retroactively.

It might be noted that if taint is imposed as a condition of obtaining a 'Bitcoin License' as is in the works in New York apparently, and it causes unfairness and thus loss of confidence in the Bitcoin system, this probably won't exactly break the hearts of the regulatory and law enforcement agencies who are charged with 'dealing with it.'

I actually got 2 transactions for .00000000 somehow... and when I went to look at it again today both of the transactions are gone! WTF? They were there like all day yesterday, now it only says I have one transaction, but at one point it did tell me I had 3... How weird... Is this being used to keep track of us? Someone sending out .00000000 transactions so they can eventually track all of our BTC addresses???

There is really no mystery here.  Someone sent you some perfectly valid (and tiny) transactions.  They were signed appropriately and went out on the network.  Whatever client you are looking at saw these transactions and added them to your balance.

Eventually these transactions go long enough without being mined (and thus made part of the blockchain) that whatever client you are looking at gave up and decided they would never be 'confirmed'.  Thus, they appear to you to have 'disappeared'.

It is increasingly less likely that transactions which don't include a transaction fee will ever be mined.  Thankfully!  Thus, these spams (or tags or whatever) are generally not going to appear persistent to most people's clients.  Without including a transaction fee, a guy with 1 BTC can send out millions of these on the network.  (They would not be using the reference software to implement the protocol of course.)

An interesting thing here is that just because one client eventually shit-cans transactions which are not confirmed doesn't mean that every client does.  It's a setting.  And I could imagine it being quite trivial to code things such that '1enjoy' and '1sochi' associated non-confirmed transactions are never discarded.  Thus, they just hang around as a tag on a particular address for anyone running the modified software to use.  That is why it strikes me as a light-weight and unobtrusive tagging system which leverages the Bitcoin network itself as a propagation mechanism.

I'm not 100% sure of my assertions here so I would welcome a second opinion on how some of this stuff works.

Mine was a local wallet on my computer, and it didn't show up on there. It showed up on my BTC address when I searched it up on blockchain.info. It could be used to run a program, see what all the BTC addresses are, and someone could easily be using a program to check if the address is real or not and keep a record of them all. It's the only thing that makes the most sense(other than spam). Who would do this you ask? We don't know, we can guess, government(they want to tax and regulate good chance).

There is really no such thing as a 'real address'.  Any address which has funding has representation in the block chain (else, how did it get funded?), and thus the public address is available to anyone.  An address which has never been sent any bitcoin might be considered 'not real', but it's also fairly un-interesting.

In other words, there is no need to spam a wallet to find out if an address is 'real'.  The info can be obtained quickly, easily, and cheaply by just parsing the blockchain.

One method of tracking would be to send tiny transactions which are eventually confirmed then hope that when the user tries to make a spend, this dust is swept up and made part of the spend.  This is now expensive because it is not reliable unless the spammer includes a transaction fee (around 5000x the dust value currently) in order to ensure that the dust is confirmed and made permanent.

Client software may try to spend the unconfirmed transactions (like the ones we are talking about here) and it would more-or-less cause the entire wallet to become unusable until the dust transaction eventually fails to confirm.  This because a spend often spends all your money and returns the balance back to your wallet.  This issue of is being worked on.

If your local machine is running a 'full client' then it may be listening for unconfirmed transactions on the network and may pick up this spam.  Very recent developments involve changes to a local client which treats unconfirmed transactions differently in terms of computing balances, deciding how to construct 'spends', etc.  No matter what, software is being used to compute balances, this explains why you see the dust transaction in some places (like blockchain.info which is well connected) and not in others.

Again, these are my own understandings and I am not 100% sure of the exact details so if anyone wants to propose corrections, please do.

So is there a chance of having my coinbase account hacked after getting these?  I have 2 from today currently "pending" on my account

Offhand I'd say no, not a problem.  Ignore them and they'll eventually go away.

I believe the transactions will never be confirmed, however it can be considered a form of tagging, if you are a coinbase customer you probably have nothing to worry about. The transaction represents knowledge of your public key so no valid hack vector other than from a law enforcement agency, but it could be some research project tracking coins used or not used in illegal activities, and if "Green listing" is ever enacted, those coins may have a greater or lessor value.

Still consider educating your self on how to create and secure a private key and consider managing your own coins, and not leaving them in the control of a trusted 3rd party.

:D

there is only around 200 000 actively used bitcoin addresses, sending 1 satoshi to each and everyone of them is not that hard or expensive :)

How is it a form of tagging when these transactions will never confirm thus will never be permanently recorded in the blockchain?

I received one of those before, but only to an address that I reused numerous times. Since then I make an effort to create a fresh address for every transaction.

Won't any address used even once still be visible in the public blockchain and thus be a potential target for these spam transactions that never confirm?

I don't see how it is an issue.

I've heard a lot about this strategy lately. It seems really cumbersome to me making a new address for every transaction. Is there some service that let's you so this but keep the same log in info? 

Yeah, electrum does it

Pretty good idea (without considering the ethicality) they actually got thousands of curious views for less than 0.01 BTC even excluding the empty wallets. Not a bad advertising idea.

Sounds like you're using blockchain.info.

It's not a good idea to use wallet services that encourage bad privacy and security behavior.

Gotta love this quote (emphasis mine):


Sure puts everything into perspective doesn't it? I'd lick dog poop for 1 BTC. Heck, I'd probably suck a cock just for 1 BTC. Dammit those early adopters sure had it easy back then. Wish I had a time machine.

It was worth like 2c. Very few people (myself included) had the foresight to buy at that price and why would we? There certainly wasn't the same hype around Bitcoin then (among the tiny community there was a little) and no one truly expected (some might claim it) that we would ever reach a valuation like this.

Anyway, you still technically one of the earlier adopters if the expectation that it will reach global acceptance is to be believed. Doesn't hurt to get in now for a bit and see where it goes.

I first saw BTC at ~5 cents (pre-Gox) and didn't seriously consider buying any. If I had found this forum back then things might be much different, but I somehow stumbled on a crude little site selling BTC for Paypal.
No regrets, the future starts now.  :)

Not just "why would we?" but also "How the fuck could we?". Even Gox wasn't around then so if you weren't mining them, it was damn near impossible to buy any, especially from within microscopic communities outside the US. Heck, back then you might have been the *only* person in your entire city to be interested in it, so even localbitcoins.com wouldn't have been practical.

I didn't received any such amount, I don't think it's an act of kindness rather just an attempt to spam the blockchain and what purpose would that solve? I have no idea. I do hope one day I open my wallet and receive like 1 btc.

If the launch, I will participate in.Keep up the good work.

It was just dustspam that never got confirmed by the blockchain. It was linked to a gambling site.

Good advertising idea. Is this fixed on blockchain?

The TX were never confirmed and eventually fell out of the memory pool of the nodes.

I am not sure how effective it was in increasing sales, but I know that it did even make the news so the word defiantly get out.

Well those coins ended up with the status of conflicted
It's good that the blockchain spam did stop eventually since it probably was not a good way to advertise their service.

Never happened to me.

IIRC, people were happy to do PayPal trades at the time (the community was less scammy in hindsight at the time) so that's how people managed to 'buy' them. That being said there were far more people (but still nothing in comparison to now) just trading stuff for them. But yeah the volume of trading then was literally nothing - far too new and experimental for all but a few to jump wholeheartedly in.

People who were trading then were true believers in Bitcoin. Once the MSM started reporting on Bitcoin scammers got wind of the fact that you cannot reverse bitcoin transactions and took advantage of the fact that you could reverse paypal transactions.

It must be like what's called a "brute-force attack" used by hackers to get at people's passwords. They just have their wallet send the one Satoshi to random Bitcoin addresses and hope they hit one that somebody is actually using. Does anybody know if anybody has actually tried something like that?

Never had this happen. I did get random transactions but I realised later they were from faucets :)

No need for any sort of "brute force" activity. All addresses that have ever been involved in a transaction are publicly recorded in the blockchain.

Really surprised about this. I have created more than two dozen wallets (half-a-dozen of them are active), and I have never received these BTC0.00000001 transactions to my account. I think only those people with good wallet balances have received them. One of my wallets contain BTC3, but others have less than BTC0.1 in them.  >:(

Received two this morning again.

They are not a good thing to receive.  However the trigger is probably more along the lines of doing a transaction in a certain time period.

The problem with the transactions is that they never confirm and some software used by websites is too brain dead to deal with that correctly.    In my case it messed up a BTC deposit and I to have the company manually move the deposit.   Major waste of time. 

probably someone trying to track all your monies and link you as the underground kingping..

but yeah.. kinda retarded..

This keeps getting repeated but no one can explain how that would work.

These transactions do not make it to the block chain—they exist only in the mempool of servers for a temporary period as they never get confirmed. As such I do not see how they can link anyone to anything.

If you think otherwise, please can you explain how?

Does anybody received link to a phishing sites?

If I were running things, I'd do something such as:

 - Instruct 'licensed' operators to keep log certain transactions even if they don't make it into the blockchain ('1IRSnnnn...nnn' for instance.)  This should be low overhead since they are free to discard all other such spam, and the metadata can easily be supplied by pretty much any full node if a vendor is not running his own.  And the nature of Bitcoin means that the tag cannot be forged.

 - Instruct 'licensed' operators to only accept payments from wallets which can be demonstrated to have been tagged as per the above.  If they choose to accept other payments, the funds may be subject to forfeiture.

 - Instruct the Bitcoin userbase that they may achieve various kinds of tagging by declaring their stashes in a legal manner.  Again, the nature of Bitcoin means that performing this simple action could achieve almost immediate satisfaction.  And only 'terrorists and criminals' would resist you know.

Of course there needs to be a certain adoption in mainstream-land before such a strategy could be successful.  But probably not a huge amount.  BTC that are not spendable at even a fairly small minority of potentially useful things (TigerDirect, Dish, etc) are going to be notably discounted in a free market.

The transactions were visible for weeks even though they never confirmed.   They showed up on BlockChain.info and with software using the BlockChain.info API. 

I think the spam was actually linked to a gambling site

Sure, while they were in the mempools and being re-broadcast, like any transaction that hasn't yet been confirmed. So please can you explain how that enables anyone to track anyone else's money during that period?

not me

Nope, no random transactions for me.

here also, i cant even get .00000001 for free.
still dreaming about that 1000 btc random misstyped send to my wallet tho :)

any idea who is doing this "spam"

I have received some of these. I think its marketing for different websites. I have received 2 and they all link to diff websites.

(Emphasis mine.)

This keeps getting repeated but some of these transactions do get confirmed.
https://blockchain.info/address/1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

(Emphasis mine.)

We're talking about transactions like this one, right?
https://blockchain.info/tx/091434a679610910f489e9a0e3ffa1341dcb3dccf5a3fe3a21a09031056f4b55

Where do you see the link?

amusing ... "1Sochi"  ;D
http://btc.blockr.io/address/info/1SochiWwFFySPjQoi2biVftXn8NRPCSQC

I got .00000003 15 months ago!
1LqhdXuJbQL3TnF1auysVYbYpK3pXR4swz

I hope you all realize that when you post that you got one and the address, you are giving away information they can use to help tie your bitcoin address to an online identity.

My suggestion, just ignore the dust. It likely isn't going to get confirmed.

No the address that was sending the coins from was linked to an address associated with a gambling site. It apparently was being sent out as a form of advertising.

Well even if the sender isn't using it to find out who is associated with what addresses, anyone reading the thread can...

This has happened to be about 3 times. I imagine it is from a address I left on my sig or something. When it happens I almost wish I could reply to the payment and say Hey Thanks :)

This seems to happen to me all the time, I have one address I use for giveaways/free coins. I always get little transactions through it that I have no idea where they come from lol.
I have never checked to see where there coming from but hey its free money even if its pennies, it covers my transaction fees :).

I started getting these yesterday after sending some coin to localbitcoin to sell to someone. I have gotten 4  (0.00000001) transactions since yesterday. Very odd. 

Instead of doing this you could push a 0 output TX that gives the dust to the miners so they somewhat higher level of TX fees.

I have been receiving more and more of these lately. Usually it immediately follows when I receive a payment to my wallet. They have ranged from 0.00000001 to 0.0001.  The smaller ones dont ever end up confirming and then they disappear,  but the larger ones end up confirming. What is the point?

I receive that almost everyday  >:(
When i use my bitcoin, i need prepare more tx fee
because there are lot output  :(

I don't mind if they send at least 0.0001  ;D

So is someone manually entering everyones address and sending that little amount of BTC? Whenever i check the blockchain for these dinky deposits, there are always like 100 other addresses that received the same 0.00000001btc

Of course they're not manually doing it; they're using bots. Manually collecting all those addresses and inputting them would take a life time or at least be a full time job.

What is the point of that? Like what do they get out of it? Its not like its some ad that maybe a few people will click on or something like that

It's exactly that: an advertisement. You and I are talking about them now and this thread is 10 pages long and growing. It will pique people's interest into checking them out.

You're asking what the point is, 10 pages into a thread about it. 10 pages of people repeatedly asking what is going on and mentioning the names of the associated sites.

The existence of threads like this is the point of it!