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I feel that sharks (Big traders) haven't collect enough Bitcoins. You can see that there were scandals when Bitcoin price rose. The scandals were exchanges hacked, China suppressed Crypto, etc whenever Bitcoin price up.
It's not a good news for Bitcoin and prevent price rise but it still rising, is this a signal that Bitcoin coming back ?
How do you think about it ?. I want to know your opinion :).
Thank you :)
 

HSBC was involved in $100,000,000,000 money laundering in 2015. Price manipulation at the highest level in possible.

Huge amounts of money can be sent for illegal activities.

So in your opinion how it affect Bitcoin and Cryptocurrecy market ?, It make Cryptocurrency price rise or make they are prevented by government ?.
I want to know all of your opinion to gain experience and lesson in this market
Thank you :)

We all wanted to believe that the peak price of Bitcoin is a normal event, but then again it is not. That huge spike is fluke and the correction after it is to be expected. I mean besides the spike, we had countries banning crytpo currencies at the same time so that really is a blow for the market. But if you do follow the trends you will see that by the next month we'll see a bull market.

If this big capitalist or traders in which we called (whales not sharks)holds more than 100,000 or more bitcoins and all of the sudden withdrawn all of the coins and converted into fiats for sure price of the said coin will drastically drops and the whole market will suffer as all the altcoins uses blockchain platform for their operations thats how can this affect the market

Yes, if believe BITCOIN can destroy banks and fiat 'cash' monopoly than YES.

They don't want more and more people join this train as they join price will increase and new people also buy and use BITCOIN.
 
if they maintain the rate under $10,000 than there is a chance people will start losing interest and this market will become small and very few believers will use BITCOIN  like e wallets, paytm or other.(BTC IS BETTER, its just a example)


people forget a lot and soon they realize BITCOIN is better and easy they will start using it and in this internet era its fuc****g possible.

i think it is the best  answer and its legit. its possible and the global market is in trillions yet crypto market is $250 Billion, simply means we are just watching whats next.


BTC

we wait until new investors come to buy bitcoin with large quantities. crypto will definitely grow in every year. it just takes time and patience to hold a coin.

I think it's still a trap for thirsty whales. We should be careful with its strategies. I am glad the market is recovering but it is still being manipulated by whales. This is not the time for whale markets to rise, wait in Q4.

Yep, those whales are sure holding Bitcoin to go up. They intend to accumulate more before they let Bitcoin go up again. Those greedy devils, but I do admire them.

I think - yes, sharks manipulate and manage the market of crypto-currencies. But who are they "sharks"? Are these individuals? state? or corporations?

I believed so and I think that whale investors are partly responsible for the manipulation of bitcoin and other altcoins. For some people that do panic selling, whales will then buy more btc and alts during the bear market and will continue holding until price recovers again. This is how these whales earn much greater profit.

Well for me Q3 is start of bull run like market is preparing for something big so if we see some corrections then nothing to worry and instead let's just full our bags and when Q4 comes all our wallets will boom as our profit will overflow. Honestly, I missed those days that everything is upsurge and I can't wait that day to come.

I guess Bitcoins fever is over.
But as usual, Old players out. New investor in.
There are many peoples wanna buy Bitcoin at lower price.
Too bad that China Banned Crypto, China has a large market.
Lets hope for the best.

I'd like to say no but the unregulated nature of the market in Bitcoin makes it hard to say no. Plus, it is also decentralized meaning anyone could buy a ton and everybody's purchases affects the price. I just hope we regulate cryoto currency so things like price manioukation wouldn't be a problem for us small time investors

of course theres a lot of manipulation in cryptocurrency because they have a power to control the value of all cryptocurrency so this is sad  to know whales or shark is the one who gets a lot of money so i can say its more rich people become more rich and thers a lot of poor people become more poor because they invest or enter in the world of crypto that didnt have any knowledge.

It is clear that - especially in a period of low volume like this - speculations of sharks and whales have a very heavy influence on price.
On the other hand, there are good reasons to believe that the trend will reverse towards the autumn, so - unless you do day trading - I would not worry too much.

If all of you said yes, so why not we buy Bitcoin (follow the whales). I think this price is very low and it will not fall, in this price the sellers don't ready to sell. If you wait in Q4, do you afraid you are so late for a low price ?
Yes, this is a bad news for Crypto market, after this news, the Bitcoin price immediately fall, Is this the rumor of whales ???

That is not just the reason I guess but there are many more than that. The thing is, these kind of events are always there and they will keep coming in bitcoin's growth. However, currently thats the not the reason or its been long time now that those hacks have happened. The current period is all different, this is just bitcoin is not getting proper throughput and it is trying to go above safe line but its failing. There should have been the strong support level at 6.5K USD but everything failed. The reason is different and need to see more updates.

Okay, thanks for your comment, I checked chart and i agree with you, need more updates and signals to make our precision. This market is difficult huh ?  ;D.

P/s: How do you think Bitcoin price in WEX is higher 1000 USD than Coinmarketcap ?. There is also a news sail that hashrate increase strongly ?

Of course it exists. One can only look at the so-called whales, large exchanges and the like. If someone somewhere only thinks of transferring from his spare wallet some sort of big sum of bitcoins to the stock exchange, then at once all panic arises. That's the banal manipulation.

I am absolutely sure that manipulations can be met in any kind of market, especially in cryptocurrencies market. Sometimes in the market we can see clear trend lines, without any hesitation (correction), which is absolutely not natural for healthy markets.

I was quite confused when you said Sharks till read the meaning you made in the box. We call them big traders the whales and not sharks. And by the way, I don’t think they are the ones doing, although they will be looking for a way to jump into the market by now, but the price of Bitcoin is just in a normal up and down.

This kind of thing happens every time, but lets just wait and see what follows next. If the whales are able to get a huge number of coins and at a cheaper rate, you will see the price pumping.

I believe that manipulation of bitcoin market is actually happening in the market as these whale investors will make a move just to make an impact that could result a bear market. By then, whale investors will have to buy huge amount of btc where they hold it for some time as they wait for btc to recover or the great pump to happen then sell afterwards gaining huge amount of profit.

As I think investors are large, often they focus on a wide range of fields, extensive knowledge. And make sure they have plenty of tools to support. In order to match buy or sell orders, there must be a programmed tool available to enter the market, and we need to gather enough knowledge. That is my opinion.

I dont think there is manipulation of sharks thats why till now bitcoin is in downtrend.I think its because of hacking and also panic selling of bitcoin holders.In hacking for sure it is an inside job.There is someone behind those illegal activities while in panic selling we all know how it affects a lot into the market.

You are right. Sharkers are getting richer and more controllable, because they hold huge amounts of knowledge. Only knowledge and intelligence can grasp this market.

So how does this sharks in cryptocurrency differ from whales? Are they smaller than the whale and larger than milk fish? By the way, I'd like the way you make a new term.
It means these sharks are scaring the small fishes in the water so that they can manipulate the market. Those traders who will follow them does not study bitcoin as well as Cryptocurrency but instead, they are just following the signals. Signals coming from the dangerous sharks.

My country often called whales is sharks  ;D. I kept my habit when wrote this article, I'm sorry for that :D. But I think calling Sharks so nice because it describes the massacre of the big traders :P
P/s: Bitcoin have risen but have no more rumor, haha, this is our opportunity ???

I think this is quite possible. Because market capitalization is not big enough to get out of shark control.

The crypto market without sharks is no longer interesting, there are new crypto sharks that are very volatile and those who wait patiently will succeed. So I think patience is weak deciding your success.

The cryptocurrency market is dominated by wealthy investors and is still occurring due to the relatively small capitalization of the market compared to other financial markets in the world. I hope that in the coming time when the market grows stronger, it will no longer happen.

   If sharks didn`t collect enough Bitcoin`s and they make scandals to knock down the price more so they can buy more cheap Bitcoin`s I think it`s
pretty clear what we need to do!
   Bad news comes from sharks, you said it yourself! I don`t look that news as bad for Bitcoin, I look at that as public misrepresentation. Some fall on
that some don`t, in which group you belong decide for yourself.
   Sharks and whales can manipulate, they can send bad signals, but I`m holding my Bitcoin`s and I`m looking how to buy more Bitcoin`s before next
huge rise.

This is very true indeed and this is due to the low marketcap of the whole market, do not underestimate the whales, they have enough money to screw this marketcap and play freely with this marketcap, if the market grows stronger in price, and also people mature and learn not to sell when there is little FUD all will be good in my opinion, the market just needs to sit at at least 7 trillion $+ in order to not be dependent on the dumb money that flows out, also the whales can't manipulate and direct the market if the marketcap is a little bit higher.

Right now the price of Bitcoin at WEX is sitting at $9,000. The enticing rates could be a bait because their withdrawals are disabled until 22 July and who knows they might extend it.

It's not a surprise that there are whales manipulating the price because there's no limit in holding Bitcoin to begin with.

It's been a while since I heard the word shark here. A group of sharks could manipulate the price of Bitcoin if they use different exchanges. Whales can cause more damage than Sharks though since they're much bigger.

market manipulation is highly possible  at the time of pump most buyers buy coins it is common phenomena those are the ones who get efforted every time when the market dumps

whales got a lot of cheap BTC at 5/6k during the last months.
they can now pump the price a lot and make huge profits selling at 20k or more.
I'm waiting for a bullrun really soon.

The whales have manupilated the price every time to get the profits and now the prices went to as low as to $4k-$5k and they might have bought at that price level but now they will again try to pump the prices to gain profits so bull run will hit the market soon and prices will once again pump so hodl your coins of you want profits. The possible time for it is Q4 of this year and prices or all major coins will surge so have patience.

It is very hard to say that for sure because we bounced up to $7,500 and then we are sliding down again, so I am afraid to make any predictions because I can be wrong.

To ask if there is manipulation of sharks is as to ask if there is water in the sea... :)

Of course there is a big manipulation, so the game consists in to predict in what direction the next manipulation will go...

There are several disputable points in your posts. Big traders has influenced markets since the beginning of "trading" (dating back to 16th century in Europe). If a big trader puts an enormous order in the market and moves price significantly then it is apparently not manipulation. However, queue jumping, insider trading and other practices are considered  "manipulation", and I agree there most probably is such a manipulation in the Bitcoin market.

I do think it's being manipulated by sharks. In an hypothetical situation, you had a million dollars, wouldn't you manipulate the market? But then, isn't it the same with the stock exchange?

I'm quite confused with your statement. Whales (Not sharks, if that's what you mean) and scandals are different things.

Whales can affect bitcoin price if they decided to sell bitcoin as they have a huge amount of it affecting supply and demand correlation.

Scandals or negative news about bitcoin could affect bitcoin as it could prevent possible investors. Such as banning of bitcoin in a country.

It is simply never believed anyone ever in the Bitcoin market, whenever you heard some rumors always check them yourself if you are curious about them never trust others to supply you correct information and you take a decision about them and make profit and losses. We are watching this type of free messages but connected and a lot of stuff from 2013.

It happens to almost all the markets, not only with bitcoin, so you need to be acostumbrated to see a manipulation to all the aspects of every market, stocks, bonds, commodities, and also gold and silver, so in btc is more than normal too.

manipulation is always there, but not to throw everyone out of the market, and in order to be able to buy future technology cheaper

sometimes I am thinking the same thing because they the biggest influence in the market and they can manipulate it if the do.

All markets are manipulated, but while traditional markets only respond to very large entities, such as states and central banks, the crypto market is much more sensitive, and indeed its volatility demonstrates this.

We have no proof of that. We dont know who is manipulating it. We cannot even see where it could have been sold. Too many exchanges now to list every dump or pump that will happen.

One thing I am sure. Bitcoin will rise again. For many users that are supporting it, bitcoin will take another bull run and somehow those who bought at 5 digits will get their ROI or better stay and support bitcoin more for they have experience how far it could go.

yeah that's true. Last year, Bitcoins price was soaring even after China declared tits ban. It seems the bad don't give a shake always It can happen again so let's hold on tight.

Of course sharks did not own all bitcoins but most of it was at their disposal. Those big sharks that you say has a big portion of bitcoins owned that's why the price is on hold and does not go down to hundreds per Bitcoin. It does not mean they are manipulating the price, it just happen that they are holding a large fraction of bitcoins.

In my own opinion, sharks can really affect the market price but that's normal because everyone wants to earn profit or invest a huge amount just like what everybodies goal in the industry.

almost every financial market has the involvement and impact of sharks. Only when the capital of the market increased much compared to the current to escape the impact of sharks.

Only one can make the price goes up is demand or purchase of bitcoin on a large scale, and sales at a price we like. The supply is a big factor why the price of BTC still up.
Exchange hack is a big factor too, to push the price up. why? Because of the BTC from the hacking activities still not entering on the market, not entering the BTC into the market, or stuck BTC (from hacking activity) will reduce supply throughout the market and if at that time a lot of demand for BTC then BTC price will automatically go up,

That is obvious, though as far as I know they are called whales, they have a lot of investments or funds to create a ripple-like effect on the market. I guess that is the reason why they are called "whales".

But even though they have a lot of investments, normal users like us can still affect the price movement of the cryptos since it's price relies fully on the movement of users in the market.

Obviously the markets are manipulated, otherwise there would be no explanation for these sudden "overhangs" that have no relation to the laws of supply and demand or with news that justify these movements.

I'm sure that at this stage of the development of the market sharks are manipulated by a crowd to sell or buy coins that they need  8)

Sharks/Whales or whatever you call them even if they don't intend to manipulate the market the money and BTC position they have is doing it for them. When someone dumps big you know that it will have a negative ripple effect in the market, the same thing can be said when a whale started buying back again this will trigger the prices to rise again. You are right that Bitcoin is going up again but if you ask me if it will continue to go straight up my answer is no as BTC is still well inside on a down trend and this might just be a short rally before it goes back down again.

Well, aside from dumpers/holders,crypto-related news also affects the price of the market. Positive news can actually pump coins while negative news pulls the price down into downhill. Not because the coin is continuously riding a up and down hill does not necesarilly mena that it is already being manipulated (But I am sure someone is also pulling the strings in the shadow). There are other factors, let us not forget that.

For now, I think It should be the start of bulll market because  If we just notice bitcoin now preformong well, but just like before It will not last longer maybe It will take only 1-2 months and after there will be another correction of the price.

Anyone who wants to believe that is actually going to believe that a baby grew up in just one night to a full blown adult.
This is a market, and for the fact that last year, nothing drove the price asides from speculation and whales manipulation to send the signals of emotion for investors and traders to keep getting greedy, it was not a normal event at all, but a fueled one and there we are seeing the result.

The funnies thing is that the same whales that manipulates it upward keep doing that downward and some just easily end up falling for it every single time.

I think it's time for bitcoin prices to be bullish on a massive scale where so many people want to pick up their lost money when the decline that occurred since the beginning of this year. I do not believe that this topic of conversation is a signal from investors or the pope because I believe in personal thinking and analysis by looking at several factors and facts in the crypto market.

Well the market is indeed full of manipulation, if there's no manipulation then you won't see a full green candle in a short time frame that completely wreck the resistance. The last bullrun is driven by manipulation and speculation and the whales fill their bag again when the bear comes.

And sharks or better yet, whales, have a lot to do with that. Sudden pumps or dumps without any significant reason behind it can be pointed to these people. I think majority of us in the crypto community believes that bitcoin price can and is being manipulated at some point.

You have not seen anything yet and that is why you should be ready to collect as much as you can during this period. Manipulations are possible everywhere hence it is very much happening with bitcoin and other crypto markets too. Due to decentralized markets, it is happening in extreme levels too.

It is normal to see different form of negative news during this period which the whales simply act on most of the time to shake off weak hands and they keep doing just that until they are so much pleased with any value they find good enough to rinse and repeat the bull trend after the bear trend once again. So, is there manipulation from whales, sharks, institutions and whatever ? Obviously there is!

And for the best part of it, being a non-regulated and decentralized environment, it got so easy for any whale or institution to manipulate and go scot free with it.

Apparently, we have seen how the market has been for a while now and it is damn obvious this is an extremely manipulated market. Some may not want to see it, probably as they are clouded with some of their own judgments, but the truth is that, whichever way, this manipulation is a strategy for the whales to keep getting richer.

I do not think so that bitcoin is coming back because if we look towards other alt coins they are not rising
only bitcoin is going up, this mean peoples not trusting this change. The price manipulation game players are
only few peoples or group, they know well when to pump and when to dump. There should be some rule to judge price manipulation and banned users from exchanges who are enrolled in this game.

I'm sure that there are a lot of purses with tens of thousands of Bitcoins.
Some wallets are less than a month old.  ;)
top 100 richest BTC addresses (https://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-bitcoin-addresses.html)

Certainly, there is such a thing as manipulation of sharks or whales. In any business, there’s always this kind of murky system. People employ deceptive tactics like this to accomplish their own hidden agenda. Sharks or whales pervasively manipulate the market and deceive the "anchovies", the small traders, to sell or buy impetuously. They instill FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) to the weak-handed traders if they want to buy more and exaggerate the price if they want to sell at their term and price. In this manner do they make pretty high profit.

This is just my opinion. They have enough bitcoins as in I think the sharks hold up to 70% of the current Bitcoin's supply. They will hold onto it; simply because they believe in the power of blockchain. If it collapses, everything in the field of crypto goes down with it. We have to believe they can manipulate it in a good way, even for the little ones. Just that it can be very hard for the little ones if the price goes down.

It ia not a myth that "big traders", funds and institutional investors control and manipulate nearly any kind of market because they have big capitals that why they can afford themselves to manipulate an asset which they are interested in. By the way if you were as rich as "big traders" you would likely manipulate market too.
What about bitcoin, bitcoin has showed the positive dynamic and currently bitcoin is a hub  which attract much more attention than other coins and that is well enough because I am holding BTC. I think that bitcoin will achieve 10000$ quite soon but it is a very strong level which is very difficult to overcome.

It is obvious his opinion is the fact that the market can easily be manipulated. Normally, market manipulation is an offense in the real world of finance and a lot has been sentenced for it.
However, for a market that is not controlled not regulated and everyone is busy doing their thing without being monitored by anyone and can even hide identities easily, we can for sure say manipulation is a way to go for a lot of them.

maybe

It is possible to happen that there is a shark on the market manipulated the price on bitcoin and other crypto prices, IMO these people who continue spreading a fake and fraud news regarding bitcoin so that smallholders/investors will easily be got panic and sell their bitcoin that makes shark happy. We all know that bitcoin having a volatile so let's not get affected on that shark's let us hold and help the market green.

Certainly there are efforts behind to the market to have its own fluctuations. And those who are not qualified will face difficulties. Turns the currency down and pulls other assets also affected.

Will in my own thinking theres a big possiblity that those whales traders are behind all of this manipulation of price value in the market caps and all exchanges,because they are the one would capable to make play all of this ups and down the price,and this all scandals coming from hacking system,china andcorrection of price ,they are the one capable of doing this so that the attention of small traders will blame into this problem happen now in digital sytem,but the real thruth are big whales behind all of this works.

Most probably this is the case. Whales are the big traders and they can manipulate the price of bitcoin but not totally. They play a huge role in the market and they can dictate the price of it. I think these whales are using their power in market to even make them richer, and all of these are part of their plan.

This entire space is now under heavy banker manipulation.  You can almost sense the Wallstreet feel to it.  We are right in the middle of a shake out of the weak hands and the big boys are getting in.  So yes the entire thing is being manipulated. 

It is not the sharks it is the whales who manipulates the market for their own targets for the price, they are all creating a scenario like this where they are all dumping their bitcoin to just create a panic selling scenario and when the people sold their bitcoins too then they will start getting those cheap bitcoins and fake pump bitcoin to create hype and make their profits.

I think we already have gotten answer to this one, government dont like people using bitcoin for the illegal activities and they stated to ban it even there was no proof collected about it. However government stayed firm on their decision that bitcoin is being used that way and they banned it in many parts. Then after they gotten the proof that bitcoin was actually being used for the money laundering purpose and thus got involved into the illegal stuff. Not much far, they sooner exposed that its being blacked out in the dark web and being used for worst activities.

So the output of this discussion is, its not just the sharks and whales who are manipulating the market but dark site money driving force is also taking long part in this manipulation because they drive crazy money into them and sell off quickly.

manipulation is a common things in cryptocurrency and the media is really affecting the market. As traders what we can do is try to use this manipulation to gain more profit from it and from media we could try to predict when to buy and when to force sell the coins that we hold.

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This market of course will have the action, impact on the market. The first is the strong buying that causes it to rise every day. Then sell out large amounts to confuse the community. And the confused community, fearing the devaluation, sold off a relatively large amount of bitcoin. At the end of the bitcoin price down the floor they restarted the plan as originally. More money every day.

There is a high probability that whales manipulate current prices to enter the market at the lowest possible price. Now we can see next falling prices which are very big. In my opinion we should see huge growth soon

This might be true give the fact that we have some really bullish news lately and the market still keeps going down. Something big is comming.

Cryptocurrency moves as a sector on some days -> coins move in the same direction.

Coins generally move in inverse proportion to their market cap and liquidity -> Bitcoin moves the least when the entire market is moving.

That's pretty much all the explanation you need. No manipulation or conspiracies needed.

Yeah and those bastards don't need crypto to do their own dirty work, they can just fly planes full of cash over when they need to send black market money somewhere. Then they just print more of the shit and make taxpayer foot the bill. If it's that easy, why would they need to do it with crypto?

Crypto represents more of a threat to their established authority than an opportunity. That's why the market cap is still so small. If it was really a tool they wanted to use for themselves, they would be pumping more money into it. But instead it is a danger, not just because of money laundering but because of subverting the banks.

I don't think that sharks can get many btc but who knows maybe in the future the situation will change for the better. To my mind, it is good to be a trader and to have btc for the long-term hold

I do believe that sharks has a big role on cryptocurrency pumping in the near future because if there are so many people who are going to invest on the market then the demand will increase as well as the price.

large speculators always play a role in every bitcoin or other market price movement. they have a source of funds that can be used to manipulate the market.

Of course it is only big player who can make some movement in the market.  Small investor can not affect any thing. Big players will always push and pull the market moods as per his own interest.  Both ways he earns. 

You mean whales and not sharks. And of course they do manipulate the market a lot of times in their favor. They have done it a lot of times in the past and some people believe that they are the reason why Bitcoin bubbled last year. If they are, then they really planned it big lol, cause other years were not like that of last year, the price of BTC pumped in a big way and nearly getting to twenty thousand, and it started from just two thousand dollars.

The ups and downs of bitcoin is a natural thing, a phenomenon that resulted from constant volatility due to demands and supplies, some are because of the sharks that you have mentioned, bad publicity and irregularities from various countries, we should get use to it, big traders are based on small traders who panic sell and sell out of curiosity without even studying the graphs. let us not blame the big traders. the wave they created can substantially requires more funds that small traders. if they loose, they loose a lot too. one wrong move and thats it. 

I have forgotten this topic :( :( :(
Bitcoin price have a big dumped from $7k4xx to $6k5xx. How do you think about this dumped @@. There are a big amount of money out of market or the whales manipulate it ?

I think the Crypto market is a collection of complex and unclear sequences. Everything is always in silence and only God knows what they are doing. But I feel that this is a market being exploited by the sharks. They use Crypto to launder money or evade state tax authorities. But Blockchain technology is still there and I believe the future of Crypto will be good if it is improved properly.

well what you're saying is true. Sometimes we get very bad news but even after that the prices of the coins never stay low. For instance, China banned crypto trading somewhere in September last year but after that the prices went up and up amidst other bad news.
In that same way, there are times that bad news really brings down the prices down. A notable example is during the beginning of this year where the downfall begin amidst major bad news.

There is a manipulation I think of whales not sharks. It is always possible in crypto trading. Just be careful not to sell or buy during manipulation or else youll be eaten alive.

A truly open and decentralized market like crypto certainly cannot be separated from certain communities who are playing with prices and this can also be done by a large country with a specific purpose. When many Chinese investors and other large countries, surely the country must be careful not to backfire on their own economy

So can I buy Bitcoin or any top Altcoin now ?.
Do you think this is a low price of the manipulation and should we buy it ?.

Whales do play a vital role as they hold the bigger qty so if institution or big individual come together an decides to dump or pump then it will directly have impact on the price of the btc or other currency and thus it cannot be ignored. Also news play a important role as people may buy/sell accordingly.

In fact, there are indeed whales. They may have bought a lot of coins when the price of the coin is very low. So they have the ability to manipulate coins.

Those fish, what to do? Then investors calm down to solve the problem. Everything can be resolved. Simplify your work and invest in financially balanced finances. Will win every situation.

Calming is always important. You want to be calm but the whale makes you unable to calm down. Each psychological investor will be different, when most investors are unstable, they will manipulate the market.

I think if you follow the trend you will see that next month we will see a bullish market.
We all want to believe that the peak price of Bitcoin is a normal event, but again no. The big jump is coincidence and correction after that is expected. I mean besides the surge, we have a country that prohibits crytpo currency at the same time so it really is a blow to the market.

That is the reason why people should always have faith in cryptocurrency as well as patience, due to its price that will always increase due to the volatility of the market so you should have more patience on the market.

It is clear to me and to anyone that there is a lot of manipulation going on in the market but this is not exclusive of this market or any other market, people with a lot of money will try to get advantage of that situation and it's obvious that if the people in the forum were in that position they will probably do the same so what you need to do is to concentrate on trying to avoid that manipulation.

Whales just trying to drive out more weak hands out of the market.

Although in a way, we also have to understand that this is more of a speculative zone, which makes it easy to manipulate. They are the market makers, and they simply relate basically with how the market is being perceived and therefore try to instigate participation based on the area they want the market to tend towards.

The truth is there is no real demand and from what we could see last year, the market was absolutely manipulated and now, the other way round is being done. Rinse and repeat!

As far as I can see, there are a number of factors that suggest shark's involvement in this market. In recent days, market capitalization has fallen sharply.

Any market has the possibility to be manipulated! It may be easier to manipulate the market for cryptocurrencies!
Because the market value of cryptocurrency is not large, it is easy to control!

I've read about bitcoin from the start, from only a few dollars to the top of the end of last year and not only this time bitcoin fell. market manipulation by big traders not only in bitcoin but also in altcoin, especially for beginners this is a profitable business to jump in and they don't know that this big trader game has been trapped ..

The news that sharks are manipulating the market and sharks has affected the price of the cryptocurency market and that, to be honest, we have been looking at the reputable bitcoin news sites.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that the market is not large. The total Market Cap of all cryptos is over 195 billion USD as of today, and the daily trading volume is over $10 billion. To lower Bitcoin price, for example, one need to dump hundreds of millions $$ worth of BTC. But, yeah, I agree, some people have that amount and bigger, and that's why manipulation is still possible. Btw I don't think they often manipulate price the other way around, meaning they rarely(if ever) buy BTC with USD to make the price go up. The rising happens thanks to new adopters, and then the whales, seeing that the price is high enough, start selling from their stashes. So, it's possible that in many cases this is an unintentional manipulation in a way. Not sure about that. just a thought.

For many people, it's clear that the Bitcoin market is at least manipulated by one or two big players, many examples of price manipulation occur only because the market is very fragile for various hidden crypto, including early Bitcoin. Prices are influenced by the number of users or assets, how can it change in a short time.

Yes.
Sharks are given to price manipulation.
They manipulate price by putting more money into buying a particular coin which pushes up the price of that coin for their own selfish gains.

Well in cryptocurrency it completly possible to manipulate market if you are rich enough to buy a lot of bitcoin to create a FOMO. Last years is the biggest fomo that ever happen. I do think it will be hard to do it right now and many people start to cashing out their money, maybe a few years there will be another fomo happening like a last year.

As long as they think that we can be controlled, this is what they expect, but I am sure that if users are patient and do not panic then their goals will fail, I always suggest being patient when the market drop.

I dont think so that they had a group of sharks to manipulate the market we are all anonymous here it is hard for somebody to communicate to do such manipulation we dont know who are those sharks who tried to control the market there are lots of factors to consider it is not always the biggest holder of a certain coin.

Of course they are here only to make price down for their own benefit they are buying low price they use to sell their bitcoin if they hold and then they wait till the price gets low, so again buy a lot of more bitcoin so according to me they are really taking part in making the market manipulating so we should not help them to get benefit from our saving, just hold when you see price is getting down.

I think the big jump is coincidence and correction after that is expected. I mean besides the surge, we have a country that prohibits crytpo currency at the same time so it really is a blow to the market. But if you follow the trend you will see that next month we will see a bullish market.
We all want to believe that the peak price of Bitcoin is a normal event, but again no.

I agree.  The big boys are getting in now.  it will get very messy before it's all said and done.  They need to collect your coins.  If you didn't sell by now you will just need to sit tight.  They need to lift the rocket back up to profit.  The next phase will hopefully be us and the big boys dumping on all the retail investors who got the go ahead form CNBC.  Can't wait.  Grab as much as you can now.  The retail investors be hungry for over priced stuff. 

I heard something about this but i didn't know if it is really true. Many have said and there was even an article here that says about price manipulation. Well on my analysis it could be true as the price is always connected to the supply and the demands for it. However the market is really complicated and I think it will be hard for them to manipulate. There are so many day traders and if sharks push the price up it is for certain that they will lose a lot because people will keep selling their bitcoins and the price will go down again.

Some moments in the bitcoin market might be manipulation by some traders because they have a very large amount of funds in bitcoin itself, but that doesn't mean they can control market prices, they can do things like issues, speculations, etc that build so they can affect the market

I think the sort of downtrend witnessed this year is beyond whale manipulations. Crypto thrive on its assume freedom from any legislation or whatsoever but ban from various government and regulations have limited its growth and many investors pulled out ( the so called whales) because no one knows the future. Whether it crypto would survive or not.

I can't understand all that is going on in the crypto market. Thieves or "whale" "sharks." Are you in control of this market? Or just rumors.

I don't know about that but we can look at the prices of Bitcoin through the years. 2016 it was barely 1k USD per BTC. The year before that it was merely 500USD per BTC. but closing 2017, we experienced a whooping 18k USD per BTC. I think this is merely a correction of prices for BTC. I don't think millionaire big wigs are sitting in front of the monitors all day checking BTC prices

There is no market that is not manipulated and we should not forget that and manipulations come in different forms. As long as there would be some in the bigger positions with a lot of the funds, controlling a market will not be a problem.

That being said, the only thing that makes the crypto market different from other market is the fact that it is new, the market is decentralized with no form of regulation whatsoever compared to other mature markets where manipulations are limited to a very good certain extent.

There is nothing to wait because rising will never happen again this year.so please stop expectation because failure is what you will earn.value of bitcoin is stable now and was the right price without bubble

$6,000 is high enough for a single bitcoin since this was only a crypto or virtual money compared to the physical one that was been in the circulation for how long now

i think traders could not manipulate bitcoin price,,totall market cap cryptocurrency was very big.so if they want to beat the market they should have money more than total marketcap.

This is only a speculations that is being thrown to the big capitalist who have many coins in their custody and it might also have the pissibilities that this big sharks or whales will have the power to manipulate the coin market using their resources which causes the price variations in the market today.

Your are right about patience, this is what we need during days like these. We must understand that when we sell our coins at low we sell them to the speculators who will be selling the same coins but at higher price later either to us or to people like us. Although I think that when we sell we don't contribute to the price dropping because sharks have much more coins than all of us combined, I still think we shouldn't do that, because in such a way we make them, sharks and whales, richer, while what we need is the opposite. We need that all of those people sold their coins eventually, and stopped manipulating the market.

Well not everyone can react patiently or calmly to a sudden drop or increase in a coin's value that's why these people who have the means to manipulate the market will always do so. Fuds from dumps and fomo on pumps will always make many people react crazily.

you are right, this is a kind of greed and it has become human nature.
panic is part of weakness so the market is easy to manipulate.
no one can control prices so far other than those who have the influence of media and large capital. they are free to do anything to make a panic.

The manipulations of Bitcoin price by the big traders is very common in the crypto market. They have always manipulate the prices to favour themselves when they want to buy at low prices.

There is no doubt that current market conditions are the result of manipulation of the sharks, they expect the market to drop and can buy cheaply so they can get big profits someday.

It's been a long time, since I've heard this issue of price manipulation and the shark has something to do with it, but i am starting to believe it now. Back then, i never thought there are sharks and whales who'll gonna control the market. But now, as i see how the market reacts when sharks are selling their bitcoin, i believe it now.

does it mean that exchanges are the whales in the market? whoa, seems possible to happen, since they are the ones whom we all turn to when we want to convert our bitcoin to other currencies, more exchange sites are on the hot seat nowadays for being hacked and there were some news regarding exchanges that fakes market data just to manipulate the market. 

The price may be related to the overall situation, which is below a certain level. But those fluctuations that are living and damaging everyone are definitely shark jobs. Their manipulations affect the price of Bitcoin, while all other altcoins affect prices.

it is possible, they want to manipulate the market to get a profit to fill their fat belly.

I think this is possible that we had many sharks and whales manipulating the market as this is a decentralize currency and we can't control the amount of money in every wallet and those early investors had buy bag big amount of bitcoin at lower price. With every bad news those whales can ride with the situation and dumps huge amount of bitcoin to give panic to the investors. It's something that those who had money can manipulate in every situation.

Well, it is true but it is not like something new even before crypto market came into being. It has been happening in the stock markets, and most of it are always in response to the market movement or some certain news anyway, but usually due to the huge position they hold, it makes it easy for their actions to send a signal to the market, be it, a buying spree or a selling spree as the case may be. Speculation most especially for this market is a norm and which is the reason why a lot of us keep clamoring on the idea of people looking at the perspective of the value the market brings and not just about getting rich.

The hunger is there, it is getting obvious a lot of the institutions are beginning to see what the future holds and how turn of events may change for the positive and in that kind of stance, they had better pull it down to some reasonable extent, wipe out the weak hands and buy up a huge position, while they take the market back up and there is when we are going to start having the laggards who will be late to the show. The whales are always around the corner, and a single action from them, can always have an effect on the market,

Well hackers and sharks does exist in every market which we all need to deal with care and attention, if we will wait for them to make price down or we will get effected by them so they will take benefit from our invokes they will say us to sell our coin and get them profit as they will buy at low price so it is not good to listen them just think yourself and never sell when price gets down too sharply.

Yes there are manipulation of sharks because the price in the market is constantly changing as well as the different medias that are creating fake news.

I think the pope or shark is a person who gets a lot of money so I can say more rich people get richer and many poor people become poorer because they invest or enter the crypto world that lacks knowledge.
of course there is a lot of manipulation in cryptocurrency because they have the power to control the value of all cryptocurrency

Yes, unfortunately, in this world everything depends on whales. They decide what will happen tomorrow or the day after... This is very sad for ordinary people, as due to ignorance people can lose their entire budget or even commit suicide...

We leave in a very very sad life. In which the big whales coordinate each and every little move that we can and may take. We are all their puppets and we can't do anything. It is sad that manipulations such as this one exist because there is a room in crypto market for everyone. Everyone can get reach small one and big ones...

well what you're saying is true. Sometimes we get very bad news but even after that the prices of the coins never stay low. For instance, China banned crypto trading somewhere in September last year but after that the prices went up and up amidst other bad news.
In that same way, there are times that bad news really brings down the prices down. A notable example is during the beginning of this year where the downfall begin amidst major bad news.

when we have a lot of money we can do, including manipulating the market price of a commodity, in this case bitcoin can also be manipulated, when sharks make large-scale sales automatically the price will fall free and at that time they also make purchases directly they reap multiple benefits, before they manipulate the following season

As you can see, as of September nothing much happened with bitcoin yet, but is still going down.

As Big players wanted to ride with the news when they've seen opportunities, when directions that we are expected the most was been redirected to the other side, I assume that not even the news will create impact not only if whales/sharks created the shake, as they can pumped it when they've seen
investors are starting to follow them, we need to be more careful assessing the charts any moment this big players can eat us alive inside the market.

manipulated market is possible , but i think its hard to belive  because that need huge power to do that , i mean one "shark " cant do it alone , need much rich people with one purpose

Cryptocurrency is used to buy bitcoin after the price falls. The researchers tracked the pattern and found a period of suspicious bitcoin price activity

Whale manipulation, FUD or some kind of government intervention with crypto can affect the market and what's interesting about this happening is that as a result we might be a winner or a loser in just a matter of hours, days or even weeksdepending on the impact they've made. It's not that new in this industry so I hope people learned already from their past. That is pretty natural with Bitcoin or any other coins on the market. What is important about Bitcoin is that it can easily bounce back from a plummet.

Easily it can be so, sharks always know what will be good for their future budget so they easily can dump prices now and force usual people to sell their coins for cheap.

there is a manipulation of crypto currency, it is without a doubt, but here is another question, who manipulates crypto currency. Who can play with a rise and fall in price?

I believe sharks and bears contribute to manipulating the market with pumps and dumps

Manipulation, deception, and theft are big problems in crypto.  If you try to day trade you will lose your shit because of the candle wicks by whales.  The best thing is to just hodl and ignore all the negative news which is usually false anyways.

Deception and manipulation are the norm and the rule in every market, it is not clear why the crypto market should be different.
Obviously, since it is a small market, with few players compared to the stock exchange or the forex, it is infinitely easier for the whales to succeed.

In my opinion this is a normal recovery after a deep correction, so far there is no news for cryptocurrency, andif this was the beginning of a big increase then this would be a great start to cryptocurrency growth and a glimmer of hope for cryptocurrency users themselves, it's just that there is no strong benchmark that assumes this is a big increase. I cannot say whether this is manipulation or not because we cannot have concrete evidence and I think manipulation is something that can be said to exist and arguably does not exist in the bitcoin market.

Manipulation of the market is what I can say for sure! Sharks do it or whales don't care. Speculation exists. Bitcoin has 4 times tried to rise and it is constantly lowered in price. This is nothing but manipulation.

steps taken by China may also occur in many countries in the world, it is likely that China wants to regulate the price of bitcoin because they are very interested in controlling the world. One of them can master the digital currency, maybe this is one way to master digital money market trading, like this is very possible in the business world.

I am not sure about this but I heard that people from China buys a lot of bitcoin at the price now and they don't want to miss a good chance to buy bitcoin at the cheap price. maybe there are manipulations from the whales aka big traders but I still don't know for sure because there are too many people out there and they still buy and selling the bitcoin.

I understand whales but sharks? Really? I had to look up on google what shark is and apparently it is the rich people who are not as rich as whales but still not regular people. I think sharks are just whale followers, they bite what is left from whales, we do not know exactly what whales will do but sharks probably do know that.
With their couple million at most they get the knews of what whales will do after they do it and move in and take it a step further and than the turn comes to panic sellers or so which will move it even further. I do not think there is manipulation of sharks however whales do let sharks know before we know whats going on I am sure of that.

There's a reason why they are called sharks/whales as they are the biggest creatures in the sea. When they move, everything gets out of the way. So manipulating the market to go with their flow is nothing new.

In all situations the big players manipulate in the market, so you do not understand why they should not do it with the crypto.
What I do not understand is why we complain about it.
It seems to me a lot smarter to try to understand what the whales will do, and try to ride their wave.

In my opinion it is possible to have a manipulation. Many holders had a huge percentage regarding theirs investment. Which affect the current market stability of the market.

Hard to know manipulation by shark in market. But with many negative and fake news in market several months ago and surpress bitcoin price, its hard to avoid there is no manipulation because too many fakes news

Well, the advantage of being a shark is precisely that of being able to manipulate the market, otherwise what kind of taste would there be?
What we can do - instead of complaining - is trying to figure out in what direction the shark on duty will manipulate the market, and go after it.

indeed whales can play prices, but of course this will be followed by bitcoiners so that it becomes a massive movement. with more and more bitcoiners panic selling, prices are getting lower

When big investors come to the market the price will definitely change so its better to hold now when the sharks enters the market there must be a manipulation in the marketprice.