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Title: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on February 26, 2014, 12:55:06 PM http://blackminer.com/images/Logo.png Website: http://blackminer.com (http://blackminer.com) We want to say Hello to everybody in this wonderful Bitcoin community. We are opening this topic to introduce ourselves and to offer support to our existing and future clients. http://blackminer.com/images/whoweare.png We are a small company initially incorporated by two brothers that are passionate about Bitcoin. Our team is getting bigger and bigger every month. We manufacture Bitcoin Mining Hardware and we are miners ourselves too. We've started in November 2013 with our first model, Black Miner Monster which had two versions: 210 GH/s and 430 GH/s. http://www.blackminer.com/images/bmmonster.png Black Miner Monster Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdeVzdHtghM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdeVzdHtghM) http://blackminer.com/images/workingon.png We are working hard to deliver our next product, Black Miner Tower before the end of April (the guaranteed delivery time). http://www.blackminer.com/images/bmtower.png The picture above represents a 3D render of the actual case. Black Miner Tower 1.2 TH/s is an Upgradable Stand-Alone ASIC Bitcoin Miner compatible with 19″ Racks. It’s easier than ever to upgrade! You simply have to use one Black Miner Tower as a Master Unit and add other Upgrade Units in order to get a hashrate of up to 7.2 TH/s. Upgrade Units have their own PSU and it connects to the Master Unit using an USB cable. ASICs: Coincraft A1 28nm ASIC Guaranteed Performance: 1200 GH/s Power consumption: 1 Watt/GH Chassis: 480(W) x 170(H) x 450(D) mm Cooling System: High-Performance Cooling System PSU: 2 x High Performance 750W Power Supply Estimated delivery date is end of March 2014. Guaranteed delivery date is April 2014. More details: http://blackminer.com/asic-bitcoin-miner/black-miner-tower-base-unit-1-2-ths/ (http://blackminer.com/asic-bitcoin-miner/black-miner-tower-base-unit-1-2-ths/) http://blackminer.com/images/findus.png We are based in Bacau, Romania. You can find our full contact details below: SC Black Electronics SRL-D HIT Park Strada Garii, Nr. 100, Hemeius - 607235 Bacau, Romania Phone: +40 (334) 100 244 Skype: black.electronics Email: support@blackminer.com Google Streetview: http://goo.gl/maps/OxcUn We've received visits from people in different countries like Romania, Spain, Germany, Italy and Russia. We are open to receive visits from anyone who desires and we encourage people that already visited us to confirm it. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: miter_myles on February 26, 2014, 02:00:52 PM Quote Estimated delivery date is end of March 2014. Guaranteed delivery date is April 2014. Ah.. so the bold makes something super concrete true... yawn.. another pre-order.. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BombaUcigasa on February 26, 2014, 07:35:18 PM I have visited Black Electronics last month to check if they are legit. They are busy assembling and shipping orders but they still have the open doors policy available. Yes, they are shipping assembled Bitcoin miners made from generally available ASIC chips and custom controllers, power distributors, networking and firmware.
The advantage of ordering from them would be geographical closeness and delivery dates. Yes, you have to pre-order as any assembled miner would be instantly purchased by eager clients. If anyone on the forum wants me to ask them anything or interview them, let me know. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 07, 2014, 09:49:34 PM March 7, 2014
Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: ChuckBuck on March 07, 2014, 10:09:02 PM Why so much ($6200) for this miner?
China has multiple 1 TH/s+ miners (Lightning, JT Miner, Dragon 1 T) for $5000 USD. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 07, 2014, 10:26:04 PM Why so much ($6200) for this miner? China has multiple 1 TH/s+ miners (Lightning, JT Miner, Dragon 1 T) for $5000 USD. We have different advantages especially for European clients like No Customs Taxes, no VAT and 1 Year full Warranty. Europe is our main market. Thank You! Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: ChuckBuck on March 07, 2014, 10:29:44 PM Why so much ($6200) for this miner? China has multiple 1 TH/s+ miners (Lightning, JT Miner, Dragon 1 T) for $5000 USD. We have different advantages especially for European clients like No Customs Taxes, no VAT and 1 Year full Warranty. Europe is our main market. Thank You! This one is $2000 USD less at $4200: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=500969.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=500969.0) Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 08, 2014, 01:14:36 AM ChuckBuck,
We usually don't discuss prices but let's do a quick math. As I mentioned before, Europe is our main market. In Europe the average VAT rate is 20% and Customs Taxes for Electronic Hardware from Outside EU is 7%. Your price per TH: $4200.00. Your price per TH after Customs Taxes and VAT: $5392.00. Our price per TH: $5166.00 (Our unit has 1.2TH/s+) Warranty: We offer 12 Months, they offer 6 months. Cooling: We have Liquid Cooling, they have Air Flow Cooling. And we can continue but I think that enough explanations were exposed here. Please don't take this the wrong way but we don't discuss prices usually and we will not do it anymore. Every person has the right to choose the best offer that fits him best. Thank you! Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: ChuckBuck on March 08, 2014, 03:55:27 AM ChuckBuck, We usually don't discuss prices but let's do a quick math. As I mentioned before, Europe is our main market. In Europe the average VAT rate is 20% and Customs Taxes for Electronic Hardware from Outside EU is 7%. Your price per TH: $4200.00. Your price per TH after Customs Taxes and VAT: $5392.00. Our price per TH: $5166.00 (Our unit has 1.2TH/s+) Warranty: We offer 12 Months, they offer 6 months. Cooling: We have Liquid Cooling, they have Air Flow Cooling. And we can continue but I think that enough explanations were exposed here. Please don't take this the wrong way but we don't discuss prices usually and we will not do it anymore. Every person has the right to choose the best offer that fits him best. Thank you! No problem, thanks for the explanation. Just trying to make sense of everything is all. Luckily I don't have to deal with VAT in the US, but appreciate you breaking it down for my fellow EU Bitcoiners. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: jegersmart on March 08, 2014, 08:08:38 AM Why so much ($6200) for this miner? China has multiple 1 TH/s+ miners (Lightning, JT Miner, Dragon 1 T) for $5000 USD. We have different advantages especially for European clients like No Customs Taxes, no VAT and 1 Year full Warranty. Europe is our main market. Thank You! So your prices include VAT for EU and UK customers? Thanks J Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 08, 2014, 10:22:23 AM So your prices include VAT for EU and UK customers? Thanks J Yes, EU and UK customers don't have to pay VAT. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: Biffa on March 08, 2014, 10:53:15 AM ChuckBuck, We usually don't discuss prices but let's do a quick math. As I mentioned before, Europe is our main market. In Europe the average VAT rate is 20% and Customs Taxes for Electronic Hardware from Outside EU is 7%. Don't mean to nit-pick but there are not Customs Taxes for electronic hardware, just VAT and courier handling charges. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: jegersmart on March 08, 2014, 11:34:16 AM So your prices include VAT for EU and UK customers? Thanks J Yes, EU and UK customers don't have to pay VAT. This is incorrect as I understand it. You do not need to CHARGE VAT to me in the UK, but I would be liable for VAT in the UK. Yes? :) J Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 08, 2014, 11:35:34 AM Don't mean to nit-pick but there are not Customs Taxes for electronic hardware, just VAT and courier handling charges. There are no Customs Taxes for things like Game Consoles, Monitors, etc. but there is a Customs Tax for PC Hardware. We deal with Customs very often, you have to trust us on this. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 08, 2014, 11:38:07 AM This is incorrect as I understand it. You do not need to CHARGE VAT to me in the UK, but I would be liable for VAT in the UK. Yes? :) You will liable for VAT in the UK in the situation where you have the miner as a company owned unit and you try to sell it. That's the only situation where UK Goverment forces you the pay the VAT. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: ineedit on March 08, 2014, 12:02:18 PM So your prices include VAT for EU and UK customers? Thanks J Yes, EU and UK customers don't have to pay VAT. This is incorrect as I understand it. You do not need to CHARGE VAT to me in the UK, but I would be liable for VAT in the UK. Yes? :) J Romania are part of the European Union VAT Area, they must add VAT as part of the price when selling to an individual in the UK. When it arrives there is nothing extra to pay the courier. If you are a UK VAT registered company and send all the VAT details to BlackElectronics then they do not have to add VAT to the price but that option is up to them not the UK company. I must admit when I saw the thread before I just ignored it as a scam, now I am more interested but the price is too high. As pre order kit it needs to be $3,250 per TH plus VAT making their 1.2TH April batch tower around $4,320 inc VAT to compete with other pre-orders out there. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 10, 2014, 05:05:04 PM New Product ======== Black Miner Prime SHA-256 (600 GH/s) Price: $2,950.00 Black Miner Prime (600 GH/s) is the perfect medium-class Stand-Alone ASIC Bitcoin Miner. It’s build using high-quality components like Golden Nonce ASIC Chips, Liquid Cooling System with Low-Noise Levels and a Gold Class PSU. More details: http://blackminer.com/asic-bitcoin-miner/black-miner-prime-sha-256-600-ghs/ Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: JointDoctor on March 11, 2014, 02:44:21 AM GoldenNonce chip in the 600Gh modell ::)
Hashfast is Hashlast. Forget about April delivery. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: bitcoin_miner on March 11, 2014, 03:10:51 AM wait and see
Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 11, 2014, 07:17:38 AM GoldenNonce chip in the 600Gh modell ::) Hashfast is Hashlast. Forget about April delivery. We already have the Golden Nonce ASICs delivered. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: JointDoctor on March 11, 2014, 07:30:36 PM GoldenNonce chip in the 600Gh modell ::) Hashfast is Hashlast. Forget about April delivery. We already have the Golden Nonce ASICs delivered. Pictures? Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 11, 2014, 08:02:46 PM Pictures? It's very late here at the moment but we will post some pictures tomorrow. Thanks Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: JointDoctor on March 12, 2014, 10:08:24 PM Pictures? It's very late here at the moment but we will post some pictures tomorrow. Thanks Just a friendly reminder, you got 52 minutes left before "tomorrow" CET ends ;) Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 13, 2014, 08:45:28 AM Hello,
Sorry for the delay. Here are the pictures: https://i.imgur.com/EvT51Pg.jpg https://i.imgur.com/rfEu5V3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NnkRC5Q.jpg https://i.imgur.com/xNXI11Q.jpg Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 13, 2014, 09:35:02 AM Here is another pricture with our Black Miner Prime prototype: http://blackminer.com/asic-bitcoin-miner/black-miner-prime-sha-256-600-ghs/
https://i.imgur.com/x7Vbod6.jpg Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: jelin1984 on March 13, 2014, 01:31:26 PM These is hashfast clone
when you will have it at stock for shipping? Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 14, 2014, 08:01:16 PM One of our clients tipped us about a SCAM related to Black Miner.
Beware! Our real Skype ID is "black.electronics". "black-electronics" is a SCAM! Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 17, 2014, 06:30:42 PM Some other pictures with Black Miner Prime: http://blackminer.com/asic-bitcoin-miner/black-miner-prime-sha-256-600-ghs/
https://i.imgur.com/FQup2KN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/4kHIPvG.jpg https://i.imgur.com/6Jfbmmm.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7tBKIz6.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GIgW0z8.jpg Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: jelin1984 on March 17, 2014, 07:59:15 PM Maybe you take a hashfast miner
Put it at your box And try to sell Fake miners Good luck Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 17, 2014, 08:16:19 PM Maybe you take a hashfast miner Put it at your box And try to sell Fake miners Good luck We've paid a license to able to manufacture units using their boards and ASICs. As long as we provide what we promise, we can't see what's wrong with it... Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: RoadStress on March 17, 2014, 08:33:35 PM Maybe you take a hashfast miner Put it at your box And try to sell Fake miners Good luck We've paid a license to able to manufacture units using their boards and ASICs. As long as we provide what we promise, we can't see what's wrong with it... When are you starting to ship the Black Miner Prime? What's interesting is that if you will ship from stock then maybe people can get HF hardware before people who paid for preorders! Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 17, 2014, 08:44:51 PM Black Miner Prime will be shipped in April, middle of the month.
Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: cedivad on March 18, 2014, 09:50:34 PM You do realise that you have in your hands hardware that was supposed to be shipped to HashFast customers that bought as late as in 2013, right?
I'm speechless. Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #SgLgHAAIlUYQWQva Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: RoadStress on March 18, 2014, 09:57:47 PM You do realise that you have in your hands hardware that was supposed to be shipped to HashFast customers that bought as late as in 2013, right? I'm speechless. Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #SgLgHAAIlUYQWQva It's not their fault that HF is selling them your chips. It's HF's fault 100%! Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: cedivad on March 18, 2014, 10:00:22 PM That's the whole point of it. Those two resellers have no fault, apart from having a deal with with this joke of a company...
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #mFPu0B9fDfC6SFsp Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: SolarSilver on March 19, 2014, 10:17:52 AM Maybe you take a hashfast miner Put it at your box And try to sell Fake miners Good luck We've paid a license to able to manufacture units using their boards and ASICs. As long as we provide what we promise, we can't see what's wrong with it... While I wish you all the best with your project, I regret you used Hashfast as your partner. As a Hashfast customer, I can tell you from experience they have only delivered a fraction of the pre-orders they took. There are thousands of units (MPP on the BBJets Batch #1, Upgrade kits for the BBJets, Batch #2 "Sierra"s and MPP on the Sierra's) that still need to ship out and customers have been waiting for months without any updates or info. They changed their TOS on a few occasions to minimize the cost of refunds, and so an and so an. If they now start bulk shipping you chips, they are actually reselling inventory that should have been gone to their own customers. Do you really want to do business with a company that uses such despicable practices? You'll end of holding the short end of the stick, like many others (the custom hardware forum has a few threads like https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=262052.msg5772340#msg5772340) like Icedrill. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 19, 2014, 12:03:24 PM We are sorry to hear about your bad experiences with Hashfast. The thing is we are only buying the ASICs from them. The boards are manufactured in Romania, in a facility near us.
Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: cedivad on March 19, 2014, 12:50:30 PM We are sorry to hear about your bad experiences with Hashfast. The thing is we are only buying the ASICs from them. The boards are manufactured in Romania, in a facility near us. Can we compare your boards with what revision of HF boards? Or is it an independent design?Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #8z1CKzazOynCdVE8 Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: SolarSilver on March 19, 2014, 03:33:07 PM We are sorry to hear about your bad experiences with Hashfast. The thing is we are only buying the ASICs from them. The boards are manufactured in Romania, in a facility near us. I understand you only get the chips from them, but they are not delivering them to customers who already paid. Look at their track record. So if they are willing to screw over all their initial customers, what do you think they'll do to you? Sure, you'll get a few samples, but the day you plunk down USD 200k for a batch of ASICs, you'll end up with a load of excuses why their chips can't be shipped. And you'll be like all those who prepared PCBs for the Avalon chips: stuck with a load of useless PCBs. Worst, you might have already made promises to your own customers you can't fulfill Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: HashFast_CL on March 19, 2014, 09:03:36 PM Congratulations to Black Miner for shipping systems with HashFast's Golden Nonce ASIC - the fastest Bitcoin mining chip in the world!
It's funny to see the HashFast Derangement Clowns here. Good old cedivad and solarsilver, what would we do without their special kind of crazy? Notice how they don't bother AMT, Blackarrow, Bitmine, or other companies who took preorder money and have shipped little to nothing. Their selective outrage is only for us! :D Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: cedivad on March 19, 2014, 09:11:04 PM Congratulations to Black Miner for shipping systems with HashFast's Golden Nonce ASIC - the fastest Bitcoin mining chip in the world! Have they shipped them? I have missed it.Notice how they don't bother AMT, Blackarrow, Bitmine, or other companies who took preorder money and have shipped little to nothing. Their selective outrage is only for us! :D Do you think it could possibly be because we ordered from you?Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #n5VGncrsrUMoU4MI Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: SolarSilver on March 19, 2014, 09:22:32 PM Congratulations to Black Miner for shipping systems with HashFast's Golden Nonce ASIC - the fastest Bitcoin mining chip in the world! It's funny to see the HashFast Derangement Clowns here. Good old cedivad and solarsilver, what would we do without their special kind of crazy? Notice how they don't bother AMT, Blackarrow, Bitmine, or other companies who took preorder money and have shipped little to nothing. Their selective outrage is only for us! :D Dear Hashfast_CL, you take special place in my selective outrage. For 6 weeks now you are sitting on pre-orders and you are not shipping out anything of what was paid in September 2013. Please cough up the excuse of the day, just for the amusement of the punters and see if you can any more preorders of your vapourware? Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: HashFast_CL on March 19, 2014, 09:39:58 PM Congratulations to Black Miner for shipping systems with HashFast's Golden Nonce ASIC - the fastest Bitcoin mining chip in the world! It's funny to see the HashFast Derangement Clowns here. Good old cedivad and solarsilver, what would we do without their special kind of crazy? Notice how they don't bother AMT, Blackarrow, Bitmine, or other companies who took preorder money and have shipped little to nothing. Their selective outrage is only for us! :D Dear Hashfast_CL, you take special place in my selective outrage. For 6 weeks now you are sitting on pre-orders and you are not shipping out anything of what was paid in September 2013. Please cough up the excuse of the day, just for the amusement of the punters and see if you can any more preorders of your vapourware? Why not take your Scam Accusation to the appropriate subforum and leave Black Miner out of it? You didn't order from Black Miner, so why bother them? Bringing your off-topic rage into their thread is kind of...deranged. :-* Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: RoadStress on March 19, 2014, 09:58:39 PM We are sorry to hear about your bad experiences with Hashfast. The thing is we are only buying the ASICs from them. The boards are manufactured in Romania, in a facility near us. I understand you only get the chips from them, but they are not delivering them to customers who already paid. Look at their track record. So if they are willing to screw over all their initial customers, what do you think they'll do to you? Sure, you'll get a few samples, but the day you plunk down USD 200k for a batch of ASICs, you'll end up with a load of excuses why their chips can't be shipped. And you'll be like all those who prepared PCBs for the Avalon chips: stuck with a load of useless PCBs. Worst, you might have already made promises to your own customers you can't fulfill It's not the case. As you can see in the above pictures they already received the chips. The only ones that are getting screwed are regular customers. Big company customers get all the goodies. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: SolarSilver on March 19, 2014, 10:11:13 PM Why not take your Scam Accusation to the appropriate subforum and leave Black Miner out of it? You didn't order from Black Miner, so why bother them? Because it's important that any potential customers of Black Miner realise the association with HashFast taints the deal and they are set up to lose all of their investments, just like all of us early HashFast customers have lost all of our BTC. Or are you telling people now you did ship out the Batch #1 BBJet MPP, Upgrade kits, Batch #2 Sierras and Sierra MPP? Quote Bringing your off-topic rage into their thread is kind of...deranged. :-* Rage, damn right. Off-topic, let others judge that one, after they lost all of their BTC Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: SolarSilver on March 19, 2014, 10:15:08 PM It's not the case. As you can see in the above pictures they already received the chips. The only ones that are getting screwed are regular customers. Big company customers get all the goodies. Sure they received the chips. How many? 16? 32? 64? They will take pre-order now for 2048 or more chips. Good luck in getting them on time from HashFast, counting their history. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: DPoS on March 19, 2014, 10:17:43 PM Hashfast: selling greed and killing dreams
Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: HashFast_CL on March 20, 2014, 12:03:54 AM It's not the case. As you can see in the above pictures they already received the chips. The only ones that are getting screwed are regular customers. Big company customers get all the goodies. Sure they received the chips. How many? 16? 32? 64? They will take pre-order now for 2048 or more chips. Good luck in getting them on time from HashFast, counting their history. HashFast has a great record for taping-out the chip and getting wafers. It was the substrate and board that slowed us down. Black Miner already has chips; your FUD is irrelevant. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: Easy2Mine on March 20, 2014, 12:09:01 AM Gays always be gays.
What an asshole. They should paint your trust score in pink. -7266 Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: cedivad on March 20, 2014, 12:12:14 AM HashFast has a great record for taping-out the chip and getting wafers. When did you received the wafers? October or November?It was the substrate and board that slowed us down. Black Miner already has chips; your FUD is irrelevant. FUD is on you. Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #BTTqxZfi67yUG0Kc Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: xstr8guy on March 20, 2014, 12:40:51 AM Gays always be gays. What an asshole. They should paint your trust score in pink. -7266 Right. Because homophobia is so cool. ::) Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: HashFast_CL on March 20, 2014, 12:49:27 AM Gays always be gays. What an asshole. They should paint your trust score in pink. -7266 Right. Because homophobia is so cool. ::) IKR? People like E2M are who Leah McGrath Goodman was talking about when she said “I have learned this about the fanatical Bitcoiners: they will see this all in a different light once they reach puberty.” Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: RoadStress on March 20, 2014, 12:53:40 AM It's not the case. As you can see in the above pictures they already received the chips. The only ones that are getting screwed are regular customers. Big company customers get all the goodies. Sure they received the chips. How many? 16? 32? 64? They will take pre-order now for 2048 or more chips. Good luck in getting them on time from HashFast, counting their history. HashFast has a great record for taping-out the chip and getting wafers. It was the substrate and board that slowed us down. Black Miner already has chips; your FUD is irrelevant. Then why aren't your customers receiving their units from the almighty CIARA assembly line? Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: Easy2Mine on March 20, 2014, 12:57:36 AM Your trust score is now -8522.
How can someone trust you now? I bet you will sell your own ass to stay alive. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: dropt on March 20, 2014, 01:05:40 AM Why not take your Scam Accusation to the appropriate subforum and leave Black Miner out of it? You didn't order from Black Miner, so why bother them? Bringing your off-topic rage into their thread is kind of...deranged. :-* Perhaps people should start blacklisting Black Miner on account of dealing with HF. HF is certainly untrustworthy, I have a hard time imagining that anyone willing to do business with them is any more credible. As the saying goes, "Show me who you run with, and I'll tell you who you are." Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: Bicknellski on March 20, 2014, 01:05:51 AM People still buy Avalon Gen2 and will buy Gen3 chip based products I wish they wouldn't but they do. Same for for HF Chips. I wish fabricators didn't use chips from disreputable businesses but you know what there are plenty of examples of this and some better designs do come out the woodwork.
Point is where do draw a line? I wish the team at Black Miner all the best but there is a lot of baggage with HF I hope you can weather that. No one is blacklisting those who used Avalon Gen2 or will use Gen 3 chips or those who used BFL chips to make chilies etc. of even the disputed A1 Chips coming out of Innosillicon. I don't see the value in going after Black Miner unless there is a direct link to HF as subsidiary or something like that. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: dropt on March 20, 2014, 01:12:06 AM People still buy Avalon Gen2 and will buy Gen3 chip based products I wish they wouldn't but they do. Same for for HF Chips. I wish fabricators didn't use chips from disreputable businesses but you know what there are plenty of examples of this and some better designs do come out the woodwork. Point is where do draw a line? I wish the team at Black Miner all the best but there is a lot of baggage with HF I hope you can weather that. No one is blacklisting those who used Avalon Gen2 or will use Gen 3 chips or those who used BFL chips to make chilies etc. I don't see the value in going after Black Miner unless there is a direct link to HF as subsidiary or something like that. You're not paying attention if you haven't seen people blacklisting Bitsyncom and the Avalon design. The truth of the matter is that there are enough people in the world that there will always be another under-informed target. It would be nice to support Black Miner and their products. Unfortunately though, supporting some of those products also indirectly support HF. If HF was open, honest, and humble I'd have no problem with that, but leaving countless people in dark, the underhanded tactics with the ToS, and their latest PR mouthpiece really isn't grounds for compassion and support. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: Bicknellski on March 20, 2014, 01:16:34 AM People still buy Avalon Gen2 and will buy Gen3 chip based products I wish they wouldn't but they do. Same for for HF Chips. I wish fabricators didn't use chips from disreputable businesses but you know what there are plenty of examples of this and some better designs do come out the woodwork. Point is where do draw a line? I wish the team at Black Miner all the best but there is a lot of baggage with HF I hope you can weather that. No one is blacklisting those who used Avalon Gen2 or will use Gen 3 chips or those who used BFL chips to make chilies etc. I don't see the value in going after Black Miner unless there is a direct link to HF as subsidiary or something like that. You're not paying attention if you haven't seen people blacklisting Bitsyncom and the Avalon design. The truth of the matter is that there are enough people in the world that there will always be another under-informed target. It would be nice to support Black Miner and their products. Unfortunately though, supporting some of those products also indirectly support HF. If HF was open, honest, and humble I'd have no problem with that, but leaving countless people in dark, the underhanded tactics with the ToS, and their latest PR mouthpiece really isn't grounds for compassion and support. I am MORE than paying attention. I was CHIP customer of Avalon and got mildly screwed. I didn't get BKKCoins, Burnin, Alten, Steamboat etc burned who lost millions and a few of these guys still haven't repaid everyone the outlay they put in as a result of Avalon not delivering chips and LYING outright about what happened to the chips. HF is no different than BFL, Avalon and unfortunately a number of other scams trying to pass as ethical businesses. The point here is you are going after people who are buying chips and producing boards that didn't screw the community "YET". I don't see torches at Marto's door, or those who built the BFL chipped boards or even a huge outcry for those miners being built in China off the A1 chips that were sold backdoor. Where do you draw the line? Ethically I agree you shouldn't be using HF chips but you know what the problem is HF not Black Miner or the others. In this case and others you can support the builder and hate the chip maker. And you should be warning people off HF as much as possible and you can rightly point out to Black Miner and others that HF is not a reputable company and you really shouldn't be dealing with them. But you know what if you bitch about Black Miner you have to bitch about the others as well who have done this before and continue to do it now. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: dropt on March 20, 2014, 01:27:46 AM I am MORE than paying attention. I was CHIP customer of Avalon and got mildly screwed. I'm aware. Have you missed the plethora of "Fuck Avalon" posts in any thread started by a third-party manufacturer using their chips? Quote The point here is you are going after people who are buying chips and producing boards that didn't screw the community "YET". I started my sentence with "Perhaps", implying a question or an idea for consideration. Don't get your shirt in a bunch. That aside, would you ever employ BFL chips in your WASP project? If so, would you understand if I were to boycott you if I thought BFL deserved to go bankrupt and that by supporting you I'm supporting them? Quote I don't see torches at Marto's door, or those who built the BFL chipped boards or even a huge outcry for those miners being built in China off the A1 chips that were sold backdoor. That's obviously subjective and open for each individual to assess and act upon.Where do you draw the line? Quote Ethically I agree you shouldn't be using HF chips but you know what the problem is HF not Black Miner or the others. In this case and others you can support the builder and hate the chip maker. And you should be warning people off HF as much as possible and you can rightly point out to Black Miner and others that HF is not a reputable company and you really shouldn't be dealing with them. But you know what if you bitch about Black Miner you have to bitch about the others as well who have done this before and continue to do it now. I agree, and if I end up in other manufacturers threads on my pursuits of Hashfast_CL then I'll wave my flag there too. If anything has been proven it's that the opines voiced in these forums don't mean shit. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: Bicknellski on March 20, 2014, 01:40:57 AM I started my sentence with "Perhaps", implying a question or an idea for consideration. Don't get your shirt in a bunch. That aside, would you ever employ BFL chips in your WASP project? If so, would you understand if I were to boycott you if I thought BFL deserved to go bankrupt and that by supporting you I'm supporting them? I personally would never USE BFL in anything I am involved in but that is just my own take on BFL and the fact that Inaba tried to slander / libel me personally and get me fired. The other members in the WPC would have to make that decision as I am just one person with one set of ethical values. Here is a list of chips I would avoid and vote down if the WPC was interested in using for ethical reasons and I would hope others avoid these chips as well: HF Chips A1 Pirated Chips BFL Chips Avalon Chips But that is different than say slagging off Marto or Lucko or anyone who does use chips. I posted my own personal distaste for people using these companies products but again at what point do you say blacklist Black Miner or others for using HF chips? I would submit most of the effort should be brought to bare on bringing HF to account for their less than ethical behavior to our community. HashFast_CL is a huge distraction and should simply be ignored and people need to focus on education of the community and LAWSUITS against HF to bring them down. Same with BFL, Avalon and those pirate A1's out of China. I am sure many might question the WPC for using A1 chips or using Minion chips if they have been wronged by Bitmine and Black Arrow but you know where you draw that line is important. I really think going after the company that caused the mess is the right way to battle against the thieves that pervade the community. Having said that I would not be persuaded to buy boards or miners from anyone that uses these chips either but I am not about to make it my life's work to drag Black Miner and others like them to see the ethical light. Nope I'd rather tilt the windmill that is BFL, HF, Avalon and Pirate A1 chips before that. I think that is a fair and reasonable approach besides I don't have the time to play around in the 100's of incidents like this. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: HashFast_CL on March 20, 2014, 01:41:33 AM People still buy Avalon Gen2 and will buy Gen3 chip based products I wish they wouldn't but they do. Same for for HF Chips. I wish fabricators didn't use chips from disreputable businesses but you know what there are plenty of examples of this and some better designs do come out the woodwork. Point is where do draw a line? I wish the team at Black Miner all the best but there is a lot of baggage with HF I hope you can weather that. No one is blacklisting those who used Avalon Gen2 or will use Gen 3 chips or those who used BFL chips to make chilies etc. of even the disputed A1 Chips coming out of Innosillicon. I don't see the value in going after Black Miner unless there is a direct link to HF as subsidiary or something like that. Bicknellski, You have been begging HashFast for free chips via PM and email since our GN1 was announced. I get it, you appoint yourself head of some collective and then want free stuff on behalf of the collective. Very clever. You didn't get any free stuff, so now you are angry at us for not helping you achieve your collectivist goals. If you want Golden Nonce ASICs, buy a developer kit like everyone else. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: TooDumbForBitcoin on March 20, 2014, 01:44:18 AM Quote You have been begging HashFast for free chips via PM and email since our GN1 was announced. So Icebreaker was "in" from the beginning? (So to speak). Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: Bicknellski on March 20, 2014, 01:57:43 AM People still buy Avalon Gen2 and will buy Gen3 chip based products I wish they wouldn't but they do. Same for for HF Chips. I wish fabricators didn't use chips from disreputable businesses but you know what there are plenty of examples of this and some better designs do come out the woodwork. Point is where do draw a line? I wish the team at Black Miner all the best but there is a lot of baggage with HF I hope you can weather that. No one is blacklisting those who used Avalon Gen2 or will use Gen 3 chips or those who used BFL chips to make chilies etc. of even the disputed A1 Chips coming out of Innosillicon. I don't see the value in going after Black Miner unless there is a direct link to HF as subsidiary or something like that. Bicknellski, You have been begging HashFast for free chips via PM and email since our GN1 was announced. I get it, you appoint yourself head of some collective and then want free stuff on behalf of the collective. Very clever. You didn't get any free stuff, so now you are angry at us for not helping you achieve your collectivist goals. If you want Golden Nonce ASICs, buy a developer kit like everyone else. Everyone was BEGGING them for free chips. The answer I got was we had to SPEND 100's of thousands within a 2 day window or we would miss the boat on chips that would be shipped in December or sooner? We of course MISSED the boat and given the flaming shit bag HF created we are glad for that. I am not mad nor was the WPC mad at HF when we didn't get sample chips. We all had a good laugh at the sales tactics of "HURRY UP AND BUY GIVE US HALF A MILLION FOR THESE CHIPS TODAY OR YOU WILL MISS THE BOAT" we moved on to other chips and we are grateful we did. That was when? September? November 2013? We put the same question to Asicminer, Bitmine, KnC, BitFury, Gridseed, Cointerra, Black Arrow and a few more chips that the community doesn't know about and we continue to do the same right now as I write this we are engaging with any number of chip fabricators for SAMPLE sizes of chips. So where is the smoking the gun? We are not a huge company the WPC has limited resources and we are never going to get into million dollar chip deals. We get samples. We build boards. We release the boards as open source. We collect our license fees. Hashfast_CL just another shill and unethical player in the market place. If you want the full transcript of the emails and chats I had with HF sales people I can provide it. I don't have anything to hide from the community. You on the other hand have no ethical standing in this community and it is rightly deserved. You are on ignore. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: dropt on March 20, 2014, 02:09:47 AM I personally would never USE BFL in anything I am involved in but that is just my own take on BFL and the fact that Inaba tried to slander / libel me personally and get me fired. The other members in the WPC would have to make that decision as I am just one person with one set of ethical values. I'm more-or-less aware of how that played out. It wasn't a question of whether you would, it was a hypothetical on the premise that I despised BFL and you were supporting them by using their chips. Quote But that is different than say slagging off Marto or Lucko or anyone who does use chips. I posted my own personal distaste for people using these companies products but again at what point do you say blacklist Black Miner or others for using HF chips? I would submit most of the effort should be brought to bare on bringing HF to account for their less than ethical behavior to our community. HF doesn't care about their initial customers and they certainly don't care about their promises. What they do care about is lining their pockets. They've already got people's money so now they're in the position of power. What other options are there? Where do you get the most leverage on getting HF to start holding up their end of the bargain? I could give you a hint but I think you see what I'm getting at. Quote HashFast_CL is a huge distraction and should simply be ignored and people need to focus on education of the community and LAWSUITS against HF to bring them down. Same with BFL, Avalon and those pirate A1's out of China. Absolutely he is, and all he brings is negative publicity. Further his arrogant sociopath postings in this thread have now brought HF's troubles to the doorstep of Black Miner. Quote I am sure many might question the WPC for using A1 chips or using Minion chips if they have been wronged by Bitmine and Black Arrow but you know where you draw that line is important. I really think going after the company that caused the mess is the right way to battle against the thieves that pervade the community. There are no rules in a street fight. Quote Having said that I would not be persuaded to buy boards or miners from anyone that uses these chips either but I am not about to make it my life's work to drag Black Miner and others like them to see the ethical light. Nope I'd rather tilt the windmill that is BFL, HF, Avalon and Pirate A1 chips before that. I think that is a fair and reasonable approach besides I don't have the time to play around in the 100's of incidents like this. No I agree, you've definitely got your hands full trashing BFL at every possible opportunity. That's a full-time job right there.Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: Bicknellski on March 20, 2014, 02:40:29 AM Yes. BFL is a well deserved target and I think my next all in target might be HF given the attempt to shame me publicly in this thread but I think there are plenty of people working on that end already to bring HF to a reckoning. I feel for the HF customers and the way they have been treated is just a nightmare. We do need to build an index for reputable and ethical companies selling to the community that would go a long way to pushing out the thieves.
Obviously at different points in the saga that is pre-order land different tactics are probably required and I suppose in a street fight all bets are off. I just think there is already too many flaky companies and who is to say that Black Miner or others can't be upstanding ethical players later on. We will see just know you got my support and whatever is required for going after HF. There are plenty of people making the decision to build with HF chips... there are certainly a lot of flies one would have to swat. Some people I guess are willing and able to make the leap from HF is scum to but we will support a 3rd Party Project knowing full well what HF has done to the community. Code: MrTeal Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 20, 2014, 07:32:54 AM Hello everybody,
We understand that you have issues with Hashfast but could we please move back to the main topic which is "Black Miner"? Thank you in advance... Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: SolarSilver on March 20, 2014, 09:47:49 AM You didn't get any free stuff, so now you are angry at us for not helping you achieve your collectivist goals. Guess what, if people who did not get any free stuff are angry at Hashfast, how angry are those thousands of customers who did pay in 2013 for Hashfast products and did not get any of it so far? No Batch #1 MPP, no Upgrade kits, no Sierras, no Sierra MPP. If you claim to have plenty of ASICs to ship out to these new projects, what is holding you back fulfilling your 2013 commitments? Can you see the shitstorm growing nearer and nearer? And it will of course spill over onto anybody who gets into bed with HashFast and supports them by bulk buying the chips you should have long shipped to the customers who already paid for it Black Miner: sleep with the dogs and you get flees Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: SVK on March 20, 2014, 10:23:01 AM Please please please 3 pages of complains which have nothing to do with black miner.
Please take it elsewhere please. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: SolarSilver on March 20, 2014, 12:20:14 PM Please please please 3 pages of complains which have nothing to do with black miner. Please take it elsewhere please. To be honest, I wish somebody would have posted 3 pages of complaints about HashFasts bad reputation back when they opened their thread trying to allure new customers. A lot of us would have realised it was a bad idea to spend money on any venture where Edward (Eduardo) Decastro is involved. History will repeat itself here once again, due to the link with HashFast. Care to come back in 6 months and see how things worked out? Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: SVK on March 20, 2014, 01:56:34 PM Please please please 3 pages of complains which have nothing to do with black miner. Please take it elsewhere please. To be honest, I wish somebody would have posted 3 pages of complaints about HashFasts bad reputation back when they opened their thread trying to allure new customers. A lot of us would have realised it was a bad idea to spend money on any venture where Edward (Eduardo) Decastro is involved. History will repeat itself here once again, due to the link with HashFast. Care to come back in 6 months and see how things worked out? I'm buying only ready to ship ASICs no pre-orders for me. I know I will get less BTC from mining but my risk is lower as well. I really feel with Hash Last customers but damage is done. Wenting frustration in this thread is not going to give you your miners :( Good luck to you and hopefully you get your miners ASAP :) Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: Profetu on March 20, 2014, 03:45:25 PM Hi BlackElectronics,
What are your estimates of shipping dates for http://blackminer.com/asic-bitcoin-miner/black-miner-prime-sha-256-600-ghs/ ? Can local pickup be arranged so I can mine the same day? Also will I pay VAT or the price on the site is final ? I am from Romania btw. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: arlekyn13 on March 20, 2014, 07:41:38 PM Hi BlackElectronics, What are your estimates of shipping dates for http://blackminer.com/asic-bitcoin-miner/black-miner-prime-sha-256-600-ghs/ ? Can local pickup be arranged so I can mine the same day? Also will I pay VAT or the price on the site is final ? I am from Romania btw. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=446503.100 Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: PurpleDino on March 20, 2014, 08:30:52 PM Absolutely he is, and all he brings is negative publicity. Further his arrogant sociopath postings in this thread have now brought HF's troubles to the doorstep of Black Miner. Yes, and with a screaming mob on the doorstep it is hard to get or weed out relevant information. Which should be about Black Miner in this thread. :) (Side note: Black Miner, what an unfortunate name in this pre-order-scam ridden business. Sounds like a pirate! :D) Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: atronite on March 21, 2014, 12:53:58 AM Absolutely he is, and all he brings is negative publicity. Further his arrogant sociopath postings in this thread have now brought HF's troubles to the doorstep of Black Miner. Yes, and with a screaming mob on the doorstep it is hard to get or weed out relevant information. Which should be about Black Miner in this thread. :) (Side note: Black Miner, what an unfortunate name in this pre-order-scam ridden business. Sounds like a pirate! :D) To be honest, any association with Hash Faster is quite relevant. If Black Miner gets their stuff from them, then how do we know that they will continue to receive their supply of ASIC chips? Even a delay in construction can mean major monetary losses. I mean if you found out that a certain store got all their supplies and merchandise with people associated with the mafia, would you do business with that store? Would you continue to depend on them for support? As a relatively unknown company in Romania, and as a resident of the US, I have to be sure that I am dealing with a legit company. With the presence of this negative association, and no specific positive feedback about the company, I don't really feel comfortable throwing Bitcoins or $$$ their way, even if they claimed to have product in stock ready to ship. I contacted them and they do not accept credit card or escrow services for Bitcoin. This means that if I send them bitcoin but they don't ship product for any reason, as a US resident I have absolutely 0 legal recourse if they choose not to give me refunds. This is not acceptable to me. If anyone has actually received ASICs from them in a timely manner, this thread (along with trust feedback) would be a good place to let us know. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: arlekyn13 on March 21, 2014, 04:51:26 AM Absolutely he is, and all he brings is negative publicity. Further his arrogant sociopath postings in this thread have now brought HF's troubles to the doorstep of Black Miner. Yes, and with a screaming mob on the doorstep it is hard to get or weed out relevant information. Which should be about Black Miner in this thread. :) (Side note: Black Miner, what an unfortunate name in this pre-order-scam ridden business. Sounds like a pirate! :D) To be honest, any association with Hash Faster is quite relevant. If Black Miner gets their stuff from them, then how do we know that they will continue to receive their supply of ASIC chips? Even a delay in construction can mean major monetary losses. I mean if you found out that a certain store got all their supplies and merchandise with people associated with the mafia, would you do business with that store? Would you continue to depend on them for support? As a relatively unknown company in Romania, and as a resident of the US, I have to be sure that I am dealing with a legit company. With the presence of this negative association, and no specific positive feedback about the company, I don't really feel comfortable throwing Bitcoins or $$$ their way, even if they claimed to have product in stock ready to ship. I contacted them and they do not accept credit card or escrow services for Bitcoin. This means that if I send them bitcoin but they don't ship product for any reason, as a US resident I have absolutely 0 legal recourse if they choose not to give me refunds. This is not acceptable to me. If anyone has actually received ASICs from them in a timely manner, this thread (along with trust feedback) would be a good place to let us know. I was one of the firs customers to order a "tower" + upgrades when they were announced initially on the Romanian section of the forums. I had an online chat conversation with the guy before placing my order and I was told that they really hope (and believe) to have the machines ready by the end of March, but April was specified as a shipping dead-line just in case... Initially, the tower was supposed to be based on A1 chips from bitmine.ch, now I see on their website that "ASICs: 2 x Golden Nonce ASIC Chips" will be used instead. Also been asked if I'd accept a different type of case (middle tower type) instead of custom ones, because the custom ones producer was delayed. Although I asked several times so far if a specific date is available for completion of my order, the answer I got was "not yet", but was told over the phone that "what we initially talked is still available", while the answer to the question about ETA on towers on the Romanian forums was clearly mid April (for both tower and prime). As soon as I get more info on the progress of my order I'll let you all know here. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: atronite on March 21, 2014, 05:40:17 AM Cool deal. Yea, any new company that wants to establish itself better get things right from the start or they will have a hard time establishing credibility, esp with international customers. The slightest bit of difficulty or negativity (for example, constant complaints of delays by customers and users) is red flag enough to avoid. Every negative feedback destroys the last 9 positive ones that came before it, and halves the effectiveness of the next 10 that come after it. Low or no feedback users selling expensive stuff......not even worth a look.
Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 21, 2014, 01:11:46 PM Hi BlackElectronics, What are your estimates of shipping dates for http://blackminer.com/asic-bitcoin-miner/black-miner-prime-sha-256-600-ghs/ ? Can local pickup be arranged so I can mine the same day? Also will I pay VAT or the price on the site is final ? I am from Romania btw. Hello! Prices on our website are final. A local pick-up can be arranged so you can start mining the same day. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: jegersmart on March 22, 2014, 08:34:22 AM Pre-order is just not acceptable, no way. People still do it, but these people should go to Vegas and bet the mortgage on the roulette tables...:)
imho J Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: Bicknellski on March 22, 2014, 10:43:03 AM Pre-order is just not acceptable, no way. People still do it, but these people should go to Vegas and bet the mortgage on the roulette tables...:) imho J Better just buy BTC or some other Altcoin. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 24, 2014, 08:11:36 AM Pre-order is just not acceptable, no way. People still do it, but these people should go to Vegas and bet the mortgage on the roulette tables...:) imho J Currently we have less than a month waiting time. We think this is more than OK. Probably, in the future we will have some "In Stock" units. Thanks Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: SolarSilver on March 24, 2014, 08:45:37 AM Currently we have less than a month waiting time. We think this is more than OK. With Hashfast as your supplier, you should have a hunch "is more than OK" will in hindsight look naive Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 24, 2014, 09:03:27 AM With Hashfast as your supplier, you should have a hunch "is more than OK" will in hindsight look naive We understand that some people have issues with Hashfast, but as long as we have all the needed components, including the ASICs, we don't see where the issue is. Thanks Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: dogie on March 24, 2014, 09:31:13 AM With Hashfast as your supplier, you should have a hunch "is more than OK" will in hindsight look naive We understand that some people have issues with Hashfast, but as long as we have all the needed components, including the ASICs, we don't see where the issue is. Thanks Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: SVK on March 24, 2014, 09:52:58 AM Is this another pre-order company ? :(
Unwatching this topic :( Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: jegersmart on March 24, 2014, 10:41:04 AM yes pre-order ftw.
J Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: SolarSilver on March 24, 2014, 11:25:28 AM We understand that some people have issues with Hashfast, but as long as we have all the needed components, including the ASICs, we don't see where the issue is. So describe the situation, how many ASICs has Hashfast sent you? Just enough to do your development or do you have in hand the hundreds of ASICs you'll be using to complete your boards? If you don't have the bulk of the ASICs yet, by what date do you expect them to arrive? Do you have to pay them up front? The quoted text above implies you have all the needed components, including the ASICs right now. Is that correct? Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 24, 2014, 01:22:21 PM So describe the situation, how many ASICs has Hashfast sent you? Just enough to do your development or do you have in hand the hundreds of ASICs you'll be using to complete your boards? If you don't have the bulk of the ASICs yet, by what date do you expect them to arrive? Do you have to pay them up front? The quoted text above implies you have all the needed components, including the ASICs right now. Is that correct? We have enough ASICs for our first Batch production for Black Miner Tower and Black Miner Prime. Of course we've had to pay for them upfront. The PCBs are manufactured locally and this is the only thing we are waiting for before we deliver all orders. Here are some pictures for you: http://imgur.com/a/XTqRs Thanks! Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: Micky25 on March 24, 2014, 02:35:06 PM I hope you have more than the couple of chips you show there, or at least did not pay for more than you already got. HF are criminals, they sell the same product multiple times.
Probably one or more of the chips you have, where paid by me in September 2013. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: cedivad on March 24, 2014, 02:55:35 PM Probably one or more of the chips you have, where paid by me in September 2013. Think about customers that (without considering the MPP) have (October 2013 orders) bigger than this "first batch".No respect can be brought to HF or people reselling it's hardware. Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #MMCgJ6V9l3tr5T8k Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: SolarSilver on March 24, 2014, 03:51:21 PM We have enough ASICs for our first Batch production for Black Miner Tower and Black Miner Prime. Of course we've had to pay for them upfront. The PCBs are manufactured locally and this is the only thing we are waiting for before we deliver all orders. Here are some pictures for you: http://imgur.com/a/XTqRs Great, you should have posted a picture earlier to clear up the confusion So you are sitting on about BTC 400 of hardware that HF should have shipped to me and not resell again to you Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BombaUcigasa on March 24, 2014, 04:42:11 PM We have enough ASICs for our first Batch production for Black Miner Tower and Black Miner Prime. Of course we've had to pay for them upfront. The PCBs are manufactured locally and this is the only thing we are waiting for before we deliver all orders. Here are some pictures for you: http://imgur.com/a/XTqRs Great, you should have posted a picture earlier to clear up the confusion So you are sitting on about BTC 400 of hardware that HF should have shipped to me and not resell again to you Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: cedivad on March 24, 2014, 04:52:34 PM Holy Science! There is no pleasing on this forum... they don't have chips - they must be taking fraudulent pre-orders ... they have the chips - they took another client's profit... If you don't know what you are talking about, don't talk. (read hashfast.org for starters)Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #vbsOsE8mURgvF8MI Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: dogie on March 24, 2014, 05:29:34 PM We have enough ASICs for our first Batch production for Black Miner Tower and Black Miner Prime. Of course we've had to pay for them upfront. The PCBs are manufactured locally and this is the only thing we are waiting for before we deliver all orders. Here are some pictures for you: http://imgur.com/a/XTqRs Great, you should have posted a picture earlier to clear up the confusion So you are sitting on about BTC 400 of hardware that HF should have shipped to me and not resell again to you Black Elec, can you respond to my PM dated the 14th please? Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: SolarSilver on March 24, 2014, 06:30:52 PM The anger should be directed at HF rather than black miner, they are customers just the same as us. Its up to HF to decide in what crooked way they want to deliver things. Black Minor is just a guilty as HF, they are helping HF to keep their circus going by supplying them with needed funds. In the mean time the original customers of HF are left in the cold. And yes, there is no way in pleasing the original HF customers, other than supplying them with either the hardware we ordered (which now seems to be in Romania) or a full refund. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: pedrosoft on March 24, 2014, 06:32:14 PM Will it ROI ?
Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 24, 2014, 07:22:22 PM Black Minor is just a guilty as HF, they are helping HF to keep their circus going by supplying them with needed funds. In the mean time the original customers of HF are left in the cold. And yes, there is no way in pleasing the original HF customers, other than supplying them with either the hardware we ordered (which now seems to be in Romania) or a full refund. As BombaUcigasa said, we do think that people are never satisfied. I don't know why we are accused of different things because we are using HashFast ASICs. This is our last post related to ASICs and Hashfast. Please discuss our products or please ignore this forum thread. Thank you! Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: Entropy-uc on March 24, 2014, 07:35:11 PM With Hashfast as your supplier, you should have a hunch "is more than OK" will in hindsight look naive We understand that some people have issues with Hashfast, but as long as we have all the needed components, including the ASICs, we don't see where the issue is. Thanks The issue is pretty simple. Hashfast has failed to deliver hardware that has already been paid for by their customers. If you are taking chips from Hashfast now, you are interfering with the Hashfast customer's right to have their purchases fulfilled. This means that you will be party to the active lawsuits against hashfast. Google 'torturous interference' to get a clue of the world of hurt you are heading for. Anyone buying from you is likely to have their gear mired in the disaster as well. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: Powell on March 24, 2014, 07:43:33 PM How many of you guys that got screwed by Hashfast own Avalon based machines, or have owned one?
Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 24, 2014, 07:46:56 PM Google 'torturous interference' to get a clue of the world of hurt you are heading for. You are talking about like we forced them to sell the ASICs. Also, I repeat and please remember that we only have the ASICs from them and we produce our own PCBs. Tortious interference, also known as intentional interference with contractual relations, in the common law of torts, occurs when a person intentionally damages the plaintiff's contractual or other business relationships. This tort is broadly divided into two categories, one specific to contractual relationships (irrespective of whether they involve business), and the other specific to business relationships or activities (irrespective of whether they involve a contract). Thanks! Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: Entropy-uc on March 24, 2014, 08:03:19 PM Google 'torturous interference' to get a clue of the world of hurt you are heading for. You are talking about like we forced them to sell the ASICs. Also, I repeat and please remember that we only have the ASICs from them and we produce our own PCBs. Tortious interference, also known as intentional interference with contractual relations, in the common law of torts, occurs when a person intentionally damages the plaintiff's contractual or other business relationships. This tort is broadly divided into two categories, one specific to contractual relationships (irrespective of whether they involve business), and the other specific to business relationships or activities (irrespective of whether they involve a contract). Thanks! Ask your lawyer how it pertains to you taking delivery of chips ahead of people with contracts for delivery before you from Hashfast. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: Powell on March 24, 2014, 08:12:32 PM The only person liable is Hashfast if that were the case. There obviously was a request made for chips and I'm about 99.9% sure during any conversation was Black Miner telling Hashfast man screw the customer give us chips first. Also Hashfast is US based correct? Black Miner is located in Romania so then it becomes international for any group with an attorney already.
Back to my point who all owned Avalon 55nm setups here? How many manufactures alone got dicked over on that deal yet nobody cared running the loads of clones from China. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: RoadStress on March 24, 2014, 09:48:32 PM Google 'torturous interference' to get a clue of the world of hurt you are heading for. You are talking about like we forced them to sell the ASICs. Also, I repeat and please remember that we only have the ASICs from them and we produce our own PCBs. Tortious interference, also known as intentional interference with contractual relations, in the common law of torts, occurs when a person intentionally damages the plaintiff's contractual or other business relationships. This tort is broadly divided into two categories, one specific to contractual relationships (irrespective of whether they involve business), and the other specific to business relationships or activities (irrespective of whether they involve a contract). Thanks! Ask your lawyer how it pertains to you taking delivery of chips ahead of people with contracts for delivery before you from Hashfast. It's not their fault. HashFast can do whatever they with with their chips. It's not BE's responsability and duty to verify where are the chips coming from. A judge can only decide if HashFast acted in good faith or not when they sold customer's chips to BE, but BE has 0 guilt. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: dogie on March 24, 2014, 09:51:41 PM Google 'torturous interference' to get a clue of the world of hurt you are heading for. You are talking about like we forced them to sell the ASICs. Also, I repeat and please remember that we only have the ASICs from them and we produce our own PCBs. Tortious interference, also known as intentional interference with contractual relations, in the common law of torts, occurs when a person intentionally damages the plaintiff's contractual or other business relationships. This tort is broadly divided into two categories, one specific to contractual relationships (irrespective of whether they involve business), and the other specific to business relationships or activities (irrespective of whether they involve a contract). Thanks! Ask your lawyer how it pertains to you taking delivery of chips ahead of people with contracts for delivery before you from Hashfast. It's not their fault. HashFast can do whatever they with with their chips. It's not BE's responsability and duty to verify where are the chips coming from. A judge can only decide if HashFast acted in good faith or not when they sold customer's chips to BE, but BE has 0 guilt. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: Entropy-uc on March 24, 2014, 11:57:54 PM Google 'torturous interference' to get a clue of the world of hurt you are heading for. You are talking about like we forced them to sell the ASICs. Also, I repeat and please remember that we only have the ASICs from them and we produce our own PCBs. Tortious interference, also known as intentional interference with contractual relations, in the common law of torts, occurs when a person intentionally damages the plaintiff's contractual or other business relationships. This tort is broadly divided into two categories, one specific to contractual relationships (irrespective of whether they involve business), and the other specific to business relationships or activities (irrespective of whether they involve a contract). Thanks! Ask your lawyer how it pertains to you taking delivery of chips ahead of people with contracts for delivery before you from Hashfast. It's not their fault. HashFast can do whatever they with with their chips. It's not BE's responsability and duty to verify where are the chips coming from. A judge can only decide if HashFast acted in good faith or not when they sold customer's chips to BE, but BE has 0 guilt. You are both wrong. If Black miner, or MrTeal take delivery of chips knowing that they are being diverted from customers owed delivery ahead of them they become liable under the legal principle of torturous interference. That makes them party to any judgements against hashfast, and could expose them to unlimited liability in the process. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: RoadStress on March 25, 2014, 12:24:17 AM Google 'torturous interference' to get a clue of the world of hurt you are heading for. You are talking about like we forced them to sell the ASICs. Also, I repeat and please remember that we only have the ASICs from them and we produce our own PCBs. Tortious interference, also known as intentional interference with contractual relations, in the common law of torts, occurs when a person intentionally damages the plaintiff's contractual or other business relationships. This tort is broadly divided into two categories, one specific to contractual relationships (irrespective of whether they involve business), and the other specific to business relationships or activities (irrespective of whether they involve a contract). Thanks! Ask your lawyer how it pertains to you taking delivery of chips ahead of people with contracts for delivery before you from Hashfast. It's not their fault. HashFast can do whatever they with with their chips. It's not BE's responsability and duty to verify where are the chips coming from. A judge can only decide if HashFast acted in good faith or not when they sold customer's chips to BE, but BE has 0 guilt. You are both wrong. If Black miner, or MrTeal take delivery of chips knowing that they are being diverted from customers owed delivery ahead of them they become liable under the legal principle of torturous interference. That makes them party to any judgements against hashfast, and could expose them to unlimited liability in the process. What i was saying? How can they really (100%) know that the chips are diverted from customers? They have no means of checking. Or at least i can't see one. A good and well informed judge can decide that with proper subpoenas, but BE can't prove/check anything. Edit: Please tell me how can BE know "beyond reasonable doubt" that HashFail is selling them customers chips. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: dogie on March 25, 2014, 03:17:18 AM Google 'torturous interference' to get a clue of the world of hurt you are heading for. You are talking about like we forced them to sell the ASICs. Also, I repeat and please remember that we only have the ASICs from them and we produce our own PCBs. Tortious interference, also known as intentional interference with contractual relations, in the common law of torts, occurs when a person intentionally damages the plaintiff's contractual or other business relationships. This tort is broadly divided into two categories, one specific to contractual relationships (irrespective of whether they involve business), and the other specific to business relationships or activities (irrespective of whether they involve a contract). Thanks! Ask your lawyer how it pertains to you taking delivery of chips ahead of people with contracts for delivery before you from Hashfast. It's not their fault. HashFast can do whatever they with with their chips. It's not BE's responsability and duty to verify where are the chips coming from. A judge can only decide if HashFast acted in good faith or not when they sold customer's chips to BE, but BE has 0 guilt. You are both wrong. If Black miner, or MrTeal take delivery of chips knowing that they are being diverted from customers owed delivery ahead of them they become liable under the legal principle of torturous interference. That makes them party to any judgements against hashfast, and could expose them to unlimited liability in the process. What i was saying? How can they really (100%) know that the chips are diverted from customers? They have no means of checking. Or at least i can't see one. A good and well informed judge can decide that with proper subpoenas, but BE can't prove/check anything. Edit: Please tell me how can BE know "beyond reasonable doubt" that HashFail is selling them customers chips. And then even if they did know it was 'other customers chips', that doesn't create any liability. The order queue is none of their business, unless they actively paid more with the discussion that they could skip the queue. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: arlekyn13 on March 25, 2014, 05:24:39 AM Just to make sure, the other paying customers ordered chips or full miners? They are different products listed with different prices. By the way, not taking anyone's part here, but I hardly believe BE will hold any responsibility for HF misbehavior, no matter how many trials will be won against HF.
Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: seriouscoin on March 25, 2014, 06:26:35 AM Google 'torturous interference' to get a clue of the world of hurt you are heading for. You are talking about like we forced them to sell the ASICs. Also, I repeat and please remember that we only have the ASICs from them and we produce our own PCBs. Tortious interference, also known as intentional interference with contractual relations, in the common law of torts, occurs when a person intentionally damages the plaintiff's contractual or other business relationships. This tort is broadly divided into two categories, one specific to contractual relationships (irrespective of whether they involve business), and the other specific to business relationships or activities (irrespective of whether they involve a contract). Thanks! Ask your lawyer how it pertains to you taking delivery of chips ahead of people with contracts for delivery before you from Hashfast. It's not their fault. HashFast can do whatever they with with their chips. It's not BE's responsability and duty to verify where are the chips coming from. A judge can only decide if HashFast acted in good faith or not when they sold customer's chips to BE, but BE has 0 guilt. You are both wrong. If Black miner, or MrTeal take delivery of chips knowing that they are being diverted from customers owed delivery ahead of them they become liable under the legal principle of torturous interference. That makes them party to any judgements against hashfast, and could expose them to unlimited liability in the process. What i was saying? How can they really (100%) know that the chips are diverted from customers? They have no means of checking. Or at least i can't see one. A good and well informed judge can decide that with proper subpoenas, but BE can't prove/check anything. Edit: Please tell me how can BE know "beyond reasonable doubt" that HashFail is selling them customers chips. And then even if they did know it was 'other customers chips', that doesn't create any liability. The order queue is none of their business, unless they actively paid more with the discussion that they could skip the queue. dogie.... you really remind me of the grandpa's saying. Its the court of law and not the court of justice. So even what you're saying fit perfectly under law, its against what i believe. I'm sure i'm the only one here.... everyone only cares about money. Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: BlackElectronics on March 25, 2014, 11:36:30 AM Due to the large number off-topic replies in this forum thread we had taken the action to open our own forum.
Forum Link: http://blackminer.com/forum/ If a moderator sees this post, we would like to kindly ask him to close this topic. We will not reply here anymore... Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: SVK on March 25, 2014, 02:01:04 PM ^^ Good choice.
Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: jegersmart on March 25, 2014, 03:36:30 PM Due to the large number off-topic replies in this forum thread we had taken the action to open our own forum. Forum Link: http://blackminer.com/forum/ If a moderator sees this post, we would like to kindly ask him to close this topic. We will not reply here anymore... well done trolls....^^ Title: Re: Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin Mining Hardware Post by: cedivad on March 25, 2014, 03:37:57 PM How are they gonna promote their products for free without this forum?
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