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Recently, nChain announced that it will be forking to a new Bitcoin Cash node implementation known as Bitcoin SV (SV stands for Satoshi's Vision). This has been supported by Craig Wright (which claims to be the real Nakamoto) as he believes that it's the safest path to scaling yet. However, Bitcoin Cash devs (Bitcoin ABC) are against this new implementation of BCH, hence a split might occur in November leading to both coins with the same history of transactions (Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV).

Bitcoin SV aims to scale indefinitely by allowing miners to choose their own block size, among several other improvements. Now it's believed that this will be the "real Bitcoin" just like what has been said about Bitcoin Cash before.

What do you think about this controversy? Will Bitcoin Cash splinter into two distinct factions? Or will it remain the same? It looks like there would occur a split of the main BCH chain, causing Bitcoin SV to emerge. However, only one shall survive in the market (if not both or none of them). Looking forward for your thoughts :)

Hilarious really. After spending months trying to trick newbies in to buying BCH by calling themselves "the real Bitcoin", turns out they weren't sure all along, and so will now have to fork their fork to create "the real Bitcoin". And while their silly civil war goes on, BTC continues to grow, develop and dominate the market.

I know which one I'll be sticking to.

Agree. Bitcoin will still be the original Bitcoin (not Bitcoin Cash or any other fork), despite what its competitors claim it to be. Given that the Bitcoin Cash community is not as unified as Bitcoin's community, they will fail over time. Developers are the ones who quickly upgrade the cryptocurrency's nodes without proper consensus of the community. Now that Craig Wright has announced that it will be forking Bitcoin Cash to create Bitcoin SV, it'll be a wild ride after November.

I'm sure that this would turn out to become a disaster for BCH, as both cryptocurrencies (Bitcoin SV and Bitcoin Cash) will fail. On the other hand, Bitcoin will continue to grow in usage and mainstream adoption, as developers successfully launch the much-awaited scalability solution called the Lightning Network. This will safely scale Bitcoin without compromising its decentralization over the long term (unlike Bitcoin Cash's on-chain scaling).

Nevertheless, grab your popcorn as this event (splintering of Bitcoin Cash) unveils by November. It'll be fun to watch as we see BCH dip in price until it becomes worthless due to the irreparable damage caused by Bitcoin SV. 8)

Its the Bitcoin SV that doesn't have a replay protection and BCH holders should be extra aware to follow the devs guidelines to be secure.
Though I'm not a BCH holder, I don't think BCH would be dying this easy, BCH is one of the highest utility currency as it's one of the top 5 accepted crypto on retails.

Actually this is really funny things for us based on this fork coin is suffering for identity crisis based on this Craig Wright is not the Satoshi because Satoshi is a great man and developer so we should avoid such types of things.

First of all this is very funny that this forked coin is suffering from an identity crisis. Craig Wright is not the real Satoshi Nakamoto and we should stop giving him the unnecessary attention that he seeks.

It's funny that they fought tooth and nail to make the people believe that they were the real BTC, but in the end even they were in a stump with their identity. We should just avoid them and focus more on BTC instead since this has the potential to grow more in the future.

It will be better to not to give attention to what the guy who claims himself to be the real Satoshi says. Plus forked coins are not something to stick to in the long run. So, it will be better if we just concentrate and invest in the real BTC instead of the other one.

Just when everyone was abandoning all these forks in the market due to their lack of features or the low potential, such news coming up on the market will definitely cause disastrous result for not only BCH but also all the other forks out there. BCH had been able to hold up to the 500$ level but if it gets splits into to fractions, it will become just another shitcoin.

Haha this made my day. So basically, a garbage coin will fork a new garbage coin so it's more likely a recycled coin. Its developer is a greedy ass and can't think anything profitable so now even it isn't suitable, they fork bch. Surely they'll do this every time and make a habit of creating shitcoins.

Wow. I didn't want to believe something so ridiculous, so I looked in to it, but you are absolutely right. So am I right in saying that they are essentially preventing anyone from dumping this trash "Bitcoin SV"? I mean that's one way to make people hold your trash coin - prevent them from selling it. Haha. Utter desperation.

Have a look at their github here: https://github.com/bitcoin-sv/bitcoin-sv/commit/55c993841725690256fd4b7093142ddd8084312a (https://github.com/bitcoin-sv/bitcoin-sv/commit/55c993841725690256fd4b7093142ddd8084312a)


Just wow. Talk about inspiring confidence.

These sort of conflict of interest among the owners are fine as long as they are kept private. Now that the news has got published and known by all the crypto enthusiasts out there, I don't think it will prove to be anything fruitful for the future. People will lose their interest on BCH more now.

BCH among all other forks did pretty well comparatively. But if they decide to split in to fragments then it will not only prove how fragile the organization who is behind this coin are. No matter what happens in the future, even if BCH stays as a whole coin I don't think the recovery from this stage is really possible.

Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin, buy buy buy, I mean, if Bitcoin is a scam, why would I listen to other new "bitcoins" since they're a scam too? My favorites are those with great ideas, like Bitcoin, Monero, Pivx, Bitcrystals, and not those who only think bigger is better, like BCH...

I think that this is another tool to increase the cost of Bitcoin. This situation is standard for each year. All the people will sell all coins and buy Bitcoin. Bitcoin price will rise. I think this is the only goal of this initiative.

I am confused about reasons behind continuously inventing new forks. I think it will be better if they give some time to the forks to be established before introducing new forks in the market.

Bitcoin is the king of the crypto world. Bitcoin sv is just standing by the side. I don't see there is a chance of  standing Bitcoin sv alongside with Bitcoin. IF bitcoin falls a great fall there are already various strong altcoin available in the crypto market and they are that much potential so they first deserve to take the place.

Well,about this controversy I  think this is hilarious.I think they are trying to trick the newbies by calling the BCH ‘the real Bitcoin’ .For newbies this is confusing,and its just a trick I think.

Bitcoin still standing on the top in crypto world and BTC still can't be take place like bitcoin it's just staying on behind BTC. But it will be improve it's feature and future it's will able to present itself on a good possition.

The real Bitcoin was not like real before actually, having a little hype in the market. Now, this new news made a good chance for Bitcoin SV part to shine over Bitmains BCH. Many things happen, and it can't be controlled sometimes.

As we know coingeek which is literally supporting Bitcoin SV covers the majority of BCH itself while nearly 20% covers BCH v 0.18.0 Bitmain's. So, we see the SV factor with having the majority will run in a full swing making a slide controversy leading the split.

Studying the fact I can say there could be a possible split in Bitcoin Cash and the next hard fork Bitcoin SV is going to be more famous than Bitcoin cash previous Version as it is more enhanced.

It's seriously laughable that Bitcoin Cash came into existence because people behind it said Bitcoin Cash is the real Bitcoin. And now the same Bitcoin Cash is moving ahead for a further split. This proves that Bcash is just run by the greedy side of crypto world.

If every forks are the real bitcoin then what should we call the actual bitcoin? This whole things are just starting controversies from my point of view. Still can not judge these two forks.

I hope this controversy will change nothing but improve the crytomarket condition of bitcoin and its market price. Bitcoin cash will be able to upgrade their market condition within a short time I hope.

I think i am gonna sit back and enjoy the controversies while the real bitcoin rises to the moon. Things are getting interesting with these forks. I don't think so much forks are needed.

As long as the there is bitcoin present in the market there is no chance of others to take the place as the stats have shown in last few years. if bitcoin is no more so there is no chance of being Bitcoin sv. I don't think we are going to see splint in recent future.

The cryptomarket is so much volatile. There is many many new coins are adding to the market and many coins are falling down. So if the bitcoin is splitted in two parts so it will lose its consistency. What will make it so much vulnerable. But is is at the top now so it won't be wise to taking the risk now.

Anything can happen in this cryptomarket but investors keep more faith on Bitcoin Cash since it is so much popular among the old investors as well as new investors. So, bitcoin will remain the same in its position I believe.

I think it will still be the same as fork that has happened before, I myself prefer BCH, the reason is because, BCH is the first fork that Bitcoin does, therefore. there is no reason to say that the BCH will be defeated by newcomers, except for newcomers who bring something new and also the latest systems and technologies

how to make money and become a millionaire fast you ask?
you invest in a good cryptocurrency that has an obviously good future and will increase in price. aka bitcoin. now that you have a good amount of bitcoin in your wallet, you will not make money unless you sell your bitcoins. but you don't want to sell your bitcoins. 1BTC is worth $7000 today and it will be worth a lot more, possibly $1 million or more one day so selling 1BTC means losing $993,000.

so what do you do?
you double the amount of bitcoin you own by creating a shitcoin fork from bitcoin and call it bitcoin cash. now you have the same amount of bitcoin on BCH and you can sell those to make money.

what if you weren't satisfied and wanted more money?
you fork BCH again to double the amount you already have and sell those to make more money.

not to mention all the pump and dumps that happen all this time where you make even more profit each time you pump your own shitcoin.

So it's true that they're pushing through this and they think there will be people who will buy this? Yeah maybe there are some, and they're obviously morons.

Why they can't just focus first in bitcoin cash? This just seems to me that they didn't succeed in their Plan A so it's time for Plan B. These people are just getting to my nerves. Wish I didn't see this thread.


Neither of it are real. They are all copy cuts and there's only one Bitcoin.


Don't be confuse because they're just too greedy and their asses can't think.

I believe, when their silent civil war continues about this controversy, the BTC continues to grow, develop and rule the market. BTC is the best crypto in this cryptoworld.  Bitcoin cash is so much popular in cryptoindustries.

 I really get hesitated with this hilarious fighting between Bitcoin SV and Bitcoin Cash devs. This is a negative event for crypto market. If it continues it will surely affect the Bitcoins reputation badly

Exactly, the community is in the majority not to support Bitcoin Cash prior to forking from Bitcoin last year. And now they realized that they won't get the support from our community. Just another altcoins to least the least. If the price of Bitcoin Cash soar because of this news, I'm not surprise because everyone wanted to claim free BSV. However, we all know what's going to happen, so its going to be crazy after the forking is completed.

They still didn't learned their lesson. They're still pushing the ideology that Bitcoin Cash is the true Bitcoin. They can only sway newbies investors, but as you can see, those holders are losing money, Jihan's stash of Bitcoin Cash is losing its value, so they have to do something to keep the money flowing.

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it doesn't work that way and it is not always all morons who buy these shitcoins. it is all the traders and that's how the market has always worked.
these people have a lot of money and with it they can use all that money to pump their creation. imagine as a trader you see a shitcoin shooting up and you see the opportunity to make a huge amount of profit in a very short time.... nobody in this market hesitates to take that opportunity.

that is how all the top 10 altcoins went up and got big pumps. the only difference between a #1 altcoin and #1000 altcoin is that the #1 had more money to pump and had more experienced pumpers behind it than the #1000 altcoin otherwise there are at least 20 coins exactly similar and even better than #1 that could have been there!

Bitcoin cash is only a strong parasitic on bitcoin, they are actually one. Bitcoin's high bitcoin cash will also follow.

I think both of this work are same but the process is different. Bitcoin can introduce recently. Bitcoin sv supported by craig wrightand it’s the safest path of scaling.

to be honest I don't really like this "vs" thing,i feel that it spoils the friendly environment and the investors get confused so it better to leave it to the investors that which one goes with them and it will be easy to decide as well

Bitcoin Cash will do something good in the future. because it's made by advanced technology. Their network protocol is very good and delivery is very fast. its future are more bright.

Bitcoin has the highest price, and is still the king of the crypto world, bitcoin is also the best and most famous crypto to date. And I'm sure bitcoin will still increase its price in the near future.

the fact that Craig Wright is behind BitcoinSV is more than enough for me to consider it as the biggest scam of this year at least. for those who have forgotten who CW is, he is the one who tried to bribe bitcoin developers to vouch for him being Satoshi Nakamoto and when he was asked to provide proof he failed and tried to scam his way out of it but got caught.

well thank you for asking  our advice but I am really sorry that we don't have the idea which one is going to be best but yes bitcoin DC still couldn't achieve that much massive success as the bitcoin cash has on the market

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Except in this case, it seems like there is going to be no replay protection. So when they fork the chains, and all Bitcoin Cash holders are given Bitcoin SV or whatever nonsense it is being called, they will be unable to sell or transfer their SV because then they would also lose their BCH. The whole thing is a colossal mess. I am once again so glad I dumped all my BCH immediately after it forked.

So I guess that's how money works, even a shitcoin can wrongly pump, no matter how shit the coin is. Undoubtedly, as long as the team is there they'll make a hype that will pump their shitcoin, even at all cost. While those coins that are really promising will left behind and will just pile on those thousands of altcoins.

So more likely, cryptos are living with hype yet full of uncertainties.

Not a big fan of either but never even heard of Bitcoin SV. Personally I prefer the original vision. Nobody really knows how Satoshis plan would of evolved over the last decade anyway.

I do not think that the projects that are compared here have any future at all, because these projects were artificially created to split the BTC community in order to attract investors from miners and programmers.

I think Bitcoin Cash will do something good in the future. Their network protocol is very good and delivery is very fast. Bitcoin Cash will soon go to the best position in the crypto market.

Bitcoin Cash made by advance technology it will do something good in the future.Their network protocol is very good and delivery is very fast. it will make more profit in future.

What Satoshi's plan are you talking about? Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV isn't the real bitcoin since these are just fork coins that trying to be a good one. And Satoshi has nothing to do with this, it's all Roger Ver and team. So cut the crap.


No, they're just confusing people and make believe that bch is also bitcoin.

Both of them might survive or maybe not, but all I know is that the real Bitcoin will always remain the real Bitcoin and nothing changes about that. What we know will always be just ‘BITCOIN’… any other thing with Cash, Gold, Satoshi’s Vision or whatsoever is an alternative and they won’t be able to compete with the real Bitcoin. But for these two you’re talking about, we have nothing to say yet until we see the Bitcoin SV, then we will all know.

Perhaps, Bitcoin Cash will survive while Bitcoin SV would die in the long term. Or maybe both chains will survive just like what happened with both Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash. Having no replay protection is extremely risky for BCH holders, especially for newcomers in the crypto space. However, I think that wouldn't be much of an issue since the number of users transacting on the BCH network is much lower in contrast to Bitcoin.

The most important thing here is that even if Bitcoin Cash were to fail in the future because of Bitcoin SV, Bitcoin will always be the original "Bitcoin" no matter what. If you were a hodler of Bitcoin before BCH's inception back in August 2017, you would've had both BTC and BCH on your portfolio. I would advise to sell your BCH to BTC just to be safe before it's too late. I believe that this splintering will result in a very messy situation leading to the destruction of BCH's image and reputation (if any) within the cryptocurrency market. It'll show the people that its dev team and community are not unified as Bitcoin's in terms of protocol upgrades to help advance the cryptocurrency for the long term.

Right now, the next fork would be Bitcoin SV, but I guess that Bitcoin Cash will continue to fork until several useless coins are born. It could be Bitcoin Craig, then Bitcoin Trash, Bitcoin Crap, and so on. You name it! :D

I do not know too much about bitcoin SV so I have not done this coin research. But if you have to choose both, I prefer Bitcoin Cash. The increase in Bitcoin Cash prices is more consistent. In addition, it has a fast transaction speed and very good protection.

Well, this is the newest controversy within crypto land yet, as Craig Wright has proclaimed Bitcoin SV to be the real and original Bitcoin (despite what Bitcoin Cash supporters claim). It was announced last month here:  https://nchain.com/en/blog/bitcoin-sv-launch/ (https://nchain.com/en/blog/bitcoin-sv-launch/) by nChain company (in which Mr. Wright is Chief Scientist of the same). While I'm not a big fan of Bitcoin Cash and neither do Bitcoin SV, it'll be quite interesting to see how both chains will behave within the market for a couple of years from now.

If Bitcoin Cash lacks the ability to maintain a unified community and development roadmap, then Bitcoin SV could effectively destroy it. However, if Bitcoin Cash stands strong during the test of time, it could remain on the market while its contender (Bitcoin SV) goes down the drain. There could exist a possibility of both chains surviving in the future (as it happened with both BTC and BCH), but I doubt it. Only one winner will take the blockchain space by storm, and I believe that will be Bitcoin (BTC) as it proves to become successful with the Lightning Network. The most important thing is to scale without sacrificing decentralization and BTC fits the bill quite nicely. Just my thoughts ;D

If that is indeed the best of Bitcoin Cash then I will support it and will ignore Bitcoin SV.
Just hearing the name is very strange and can be spelled with (Bitcoin esvaw). LOL

While I'm not a fan of both Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV, I believe that Bitcoin Cash will gain better support than its contender. This is simply because, Bitcoin Cash aims to scale at the safest way possible (but not safer than Bitcoin), while Bitcoin SV intends to further increase the block size and adopt additional improvements that will make the cryptocurrency more centralized than BCH. Bitcoin SV is simply a huge attempt from Craig Wright to make money out of it, and take advantage of the situation.

But in the end, Bitcoin Cash shall emerge victorious as the community remains loyal to the Bitcoin ABC node implementation. It'll be interesting to see what will happen by November, as Bitcoin SV forks out of Bitcoin Cash. This could result in the destruction of either one of the cryptocurrencies, or the growth of both cryptocurrencies over the long term.

Despite this, I have sold all of my Bitcoin Cash which I've earned by holding Bitcoin before August 1, 2017. It's better to be safe than sorry, since this upcoming fork could result disastrous to Bitcoin Cash as we know it. However, if things turn out to become better for Bitcoin Cash, then I might consider going back to it (if I ever will). Nonetheless, I'm still inclined to the original Bitcoin, as it intends to scale in the safest and most decentralized way possible with its Lightning Network. 8)

What are those forks for? Are they necessary or not? I think they won't survive because of the absence of a reputation. For most people Bitcoin is Bitcoin, others are a scam. So only those knowing the technology will invest!

In your place, I probably would not have chosen anything, because it seems to me that all your money will simply lose its meaning, since these projects will definitely fall in price. I am sure that it will be so.

Exactly. Bitcoin forks have taken advantage of the Bitcoin name, to bring confusion to the people. Their main intent is to scam people, especially Bitcoin Cash which is often claimed to be the "original Bitcoin". In the end, if these forks don't provide anything unique for the mainstream world, they would simply fade into oblivion. There are many other good altcoins which are much more promising than Bitcoin Cash (such as Ethereum), and have a greater position in market cap. The only reason why Bitcoin Cash is still the 4th largest cryptocurrency by market cap, it's because it was the first Bitcoin fork to emerge back in 2017.

While this has given it some popularity, it may not last that long if it doesn't remain solid in development and innovation. The upcoming BCH hard fork will result into a serious controversy between Bitcoin ABC and Bitcoin SV supporters. It could be completely disastrous if things don't go as planned, causing the death of the Bitcoin Cash blockchain. Considering that the next BCH hard fork takes effect on November 15, it'll be interesting to see what happens whenever Bitcoin SV takes over, or Bitcoin Cash.

Nevertheless, what's most important is that Bitcoin is still the original Bitcoin no matter what. Its solid development, and innovation, would cause Bitcoin to remain in that top position in market cap for many years to come. Just my thoughts ;D

There are already so many forks and deviations that it is difficult to take the account of how many are out there, the only thing that does that is to creates so much conflict and  destabilization of the market, I think that with so many coins and alts we will never achieve mass adoption, because in the end, everyone will have to carry 100 different coins for all services, which would be hugely inconvenient.

Bitcoin Cash is never as popular and important as Bitcoin. I believe that Bitcoin will never leave the place of the leader.

For myself, I do not see anything good in this. Since invested in bitcoin cash good money. With the expectation of a long term. But based on the current news, I'm getting nervous. Since the market sank very low. And now the rift. Yes bitcoin will still be us for a long time to be surprised

Bitcoin SV implementation is completely raw and does not contain a replay protection mechanism, which threatens to conduct possible hacker attacks in the network. Development teams cannot come to a compromise in hardfork implementation, these contradictions can lead to network separation, and after the next fork another cryptocurrency may arise.

They are both being stupid, there is _currently_ no need to fork or update BCH code except for bugfixes the same as BTC. They already have a niche that offers faster/larger blocks than BTC which is suitable for purchasing and wiring money around.

From everything I've read to date, both are going after almost trivialities, unlimited blocksizes, shapeshifting, wormholes, lightning connectivity etc. None of that matters right now (if ever) and even when implemented the usage case is minimal for any of those, but made worse because of the opportunities of errors/fraud/theft and only serves to make the network less secure.

If I could I'd vote no to both...

That's certainly true, mate. Bitcoin SV could result disastrous for itself and the Bitcoin Cash blockchain since it doesn't implement Replay Protection. The scenario will be the same as with Ethereum Classic, where it didn't implement said mechanism, causing many ETH holders a lot of trouble. Considering this, it means that Bitcoin SV would face a lot of issues between holders of both chains (BCH and BSV). Of course, many people want the split to occur on November 15 to obtain free Bitcoin SV coins. However, it'll be highly risky as early holders of BCH could easily lose their money if they decide to cash out their Bitcoin SV coins.

The possible outcome for this, could result in Bitcoin SV disappearing while Bitcoin Cash remains alive and actively traded across many cryptocurrency exchanges. Unless there are interests from people into making money with Bitcoin SV, I don't see it going anywhere as BCH has a lot of supporters over BSV. Despite this, many people would decide to not adopt any hard fork (neither from Bitcoin ABC or Bitcoin SV) and leave the Bitcoin Cash Blockchain as is. It would be the best decision for the sake of Bitcoin Cash's longevity.

As for me, I've already sold all my BCH coins and will not come back unless Bitcoin Cash proves itself to be a solid cryptocurrency in terms of development, innovation, and most of all, decentralization. ::)

Despite the current situation on the market, I still don’t understand how to apply the BCH project correctly and why people invest money in it, you saw how quickly the BCH rate rises when it is pumped up

bitcoin will continue to be in the top rank, it is very difficult to compete with btc. even if it's bch/ BSV, in the sense that there is still one family with btc, that won't be possible.

This is an event that is often experienced, where bch can be able to explode there will be a lot of gravel that blocks, so a positive attitude is still instilled in the team and also the community so that there is no conflict and not dropping each other.

The same may not be, but in my opinion it will not be much different from BCH, if you look at what you mentioned in this thread about the purpose of BSV that implements satoshi Nakamoto's initial goal it will be the same, maybe there will be hype at the beginning and will experience difficulties in development

So BCH is undergoing its bi-annual pump and dump I see. This time driven by newbies hoping for some cheap money from the forked coins. I mean, obviously you don't really understand cryptocurrency if you are holding or buying BCH, but its extra sad when you consider the lack of replay protection means many people of these oblivious people are going to be burned extra hard and lose their entire stacks bags.

If you are stupid enough to still be holding this trash, at least pay attention and try to time the peak to sell your bags.

I straight answer for this nothing to argue about this because i still believe oginal bitcoin still supported by people and all bitcoin ethusiasm
This issue is over last year 2017 the segwit split decision and the decision is goes stay favor in bitcoin

Agree. It's best to let go of BCH for a while since the upcoming hard fork will turn out to become extremely dangerous for both chains (BCH and BSV). Personally, I have sold all my BCH since it's not worth holding it, IMO. I had earned some BCH for free after its inception in August 2017, but quickly sold it for Bitcoin. Given how fragile BCH is in terms of full community consensus/support in contrast to Bitcoin, it may not last long. Of course, if Bitcoin SV wouldn't had been announced in the first place, then no harm would be done to Bitcoin Cash.

However, with no replay protection from Bitcoin SV, it will make matters worse as people who bought BCH with the hopes of getting free money, will lose it all in the end. Therefore, I don't recommend anyone getting into either BCH or BSV until everything gets sorted out after the fork (if it ever will). As for me, I'll stay with the original Bitcoin forever as it's trusted, safe, and reliable compared with most altcoins out there on the market. ;)

I agree with you

the developer nchain bitcoinSV very slow at this, currently developer bitcoinSV and bitcoinABC (community bitcoincash) still contentious like in-social media Dr. C.W, because we see a contentious of it as a joke strange/contravention.

current we community support in hardfork a upgrade network (nodes) and +  such as developer bitcoinabc from a merging of the last commits on github its very active and is not with Dev bitcoinSV.

The few developer and biggest exchange support HF, but I can’t know about bitcoinSV.
We can follow sense his on twitter @CobraBitcoin to latest update said HF.

Source monitoring bitcoincash https://cash.coin.dance

A lot of exchanges support Bitcoin ABC node implementation more than Bitcoin SV itself. Of course, a mining giant known as CoinGeek has decided to support Craig's BCH node implementation, but the wide majority is with Bitcoin ABC. Under drastic measures, the community could decide to reject any hard fork at all, leaving Bitcoin Cash with the same network rules as now.

Cobra has announced a new BCH node implementation, which leaves the network as is without any changes whatsoever. I believe that it's the safest approach for Bitcoin Cash's longevity, since the upcoming hard fork could result disastrous as we know it. However, if it does happen, then many people would lose money because Bitcoin SV does not have Replay Protection. The current uptrend in BCH's price is only because people are interested in getting free money after the network split.

Nevertheless, the site you've mentioned earlier serves as a great tool to keep track of Bitcoin Cash's progress in node software acceptance by its users. With only a few days away for the hard fork to occur (if it ever does), Bitcoin Cash's future could either be bright or dark. Just my opinion :)

No fork has ever overcome the coin ever. I cannot understand this but I think that ETC is also better than Ethereum, but no one cares and this coin costs only 9 bucks. People do not care about the technical advantages of any fork coin.

In the case of bitcoin Cash, a little bit different. The Bitcoin SV can have a strong effect on the classic coin because the new coin can afford to attack 51% on the classic Bitcoin Cash since its founder has more power and if he will do this, he can easily crash the price of Bcash

The uptrend has already died, and the fork hasn't even happened yet. It peaked at 0.097BTC and has already fallen back below 0.08BTC. A pretty pathetic pump in all honestly, failing to even reach the 0.1BTC peg that BCH was created at. Probably a sign that most people are starting to realize just what a shitcoin BCH is. This small pump and dump is just another minor blip on the slow death of BCH over the last 6 months.

BCH is already centralized enough as it is. This fork could potentially split their hashing power even more, not to mention the lack of replay protection will result in many people losing their coins entirely. Worse case scenario, this could be the final blow to the dying BCH. We can only hope.

Agree. BCH is centralized, but Bitcoin SV will be even worse that Bitcoin Cash. With higher block sizes, you could expect a greater level of centralization. That's why Bitcoin has been very carefully in scaling, avoiding increasing its block size to help make it easier for the average Joe to support its blockchain. Because if Bitcoin would've had higher block sizes by now, node storage costs and bandwidth would be higher, resulting in lesser full nodes over time.

Nonetheless, I wouldn't support neither BCH or BSV because they're extremely centralized. Only a few people such as Roger Ver and Craig Wright control the path of the Bitcoin Cash network and that's not good. Eventually, people will realize how centralized Bitcoin Cash is, which will lead them back towards the original Bitcoin. With the Lightning Network's upcoming stable release, things will get better for Bitcoin, while for Bitcoin Cash and other forks, it'll become worse over time until they disappear.

As for me, I've sold all my Bitcoin Cash, and I'm never going back. After all, I got free money (1:1 ratio of BTC to BCH) after the hard fork on August 2017, so I've got nothing to lose. ::)

I did the same. Dumped all that BitcoinTrash as soon as I claimed it. Turns out that was a much better decision than holding on to this trash and just watching its value slow drop over time. BCH is down to 0.074BTC, and I fully expect it to continue dumping as most people are only in it to claim their forked coins.

Looks like Poloniex and HitBTC have now opened their markets for BCHSV and BCHABC. Am I the only one who things those names are truly ridiculous? Just as ridiculous/stupid as them constantly bleating about being "the real bitcoin".

Yes. Bitcoin Cash claiming itself as the real Bitcoin is true nonsense to me. After all, Satoshi wanted Bitcoin to scale in the most decentralized way possible. What Bitcoin Cash is doing is wrong, IMO, since its method of scaling involves a high risk of centralization. Not to mention, Roger Ver and Craig Wright dominate the future direction of the BCH blockchain, which makes it another centralized banking system in the hands of a few individuals. Because of that and many other reasons, I've quickly sold all my BCH to Bitcoin.

The real Bitcoin (BTC) is much more decentralized than Bitcoin Cash, and extremely active in development and innovation. No one controls its future direction, as the whole community works together in helping achieve this. As for Bitcoin Cash, it could either die in the long term, or remain in the crypto market for some time. For what I've seen lately, it looks that BCH may not last that long. The Bitcoin SV fork could destroy the reputation of the Bitcoin Cash blockchain or even make both chains become non-functional as we speak.

Nonetheless, what really matters is that Bitcoin is still the real Bitcoin and has performed as intended for a couple of years now. It's the most secure blockchain in existence, and probably the most decentralized compared with other cryptocurrencies on the market. The Lightning Network may be truly the safest way to scale Bitcoin, without compromising the blockchain. Increasing the block size to enormous amounts, would only make it worse as node storage costs will increase, as well as, bandwidth. Imagine if BCH's blocks becoming filled to its maximum capacity of 32MB. Or even 128MB with the Bitcoin SV fork. If that happens, then I believe that there will be lesser nodes over time as not everyone could afford the costs.

Therefore, Bitcoin will win the battle in the end, while other forks or useless coins would fade into oblivion. Just my opinion :)

I honestly am confused about the existence of this Hardfork and there are even some people who say that BCH has been removed and replaced with 2 new types of coins, I do not know whether BCH only changes the name or does something like swap and hardfork, if anyone knows please explain to me

Good riddance for BCH to get rid of Faketoshi.

That's really the important point here. After more than a year of BCH trolls talking about being "the real bitcoin", trying to scam newbies in to buying their trash altcoin, and trying to start fights with BTC, they degenerated even further in to essentially a civil war. Now their trash coin has split in to two new trash coins, with Ver and Wright constantly at each other's throats. It's not exactly a healthy environment for ongoing development, which probably explains why BCH has done nothing but slowly lose value since it was created.

And all this time, BTC just keeps developing and growing, paying no attention to the pathetic infighting going on with this long forgotten about failed fork.

Bitcoin development so Cash has increased with many enthusiasts in attendance supporting its development. so the huge potential yielding Cash Bitcoin in the advancement of the market Cryptocurrency. so far trusted Cash Bitcoin.

Bitcoin cash is broken so prices also change, where holders are made to confuse and leave bitcoin sv, this competition may be endless and I think it will disappear by itself.

So far, only Craig has convinced me he is a scammer. I knew it as soon as I glanced at "I am satoshi" fake proof. Unfortunately, non technical people didn't have the vintage point I had, so he managed to fool many people for a long time.

I saw a post about the procedure for claiming the Bitcoin SV from Bicoin Cash, the explanation is very interesting and very simple, try reading the article

This Bitcoin is one and the other can not be, all the other forks are only unsuccessful attempts to make it better!

Wow, you know about this fork 6 months ago? I heard about this fork one month ago for the first time.
But, I hope that, this was the last hard fork of Bitcoin. Because what is happening now is total disaster! Market is crashing because some guys need to boosting their egos.

Exactly. There's no point in a "crypto civil war" as it will do more harm to the Bitcoin Cash brand than any good. This would give a false impression to newcomers into cryptocurrencies, as they would believe that it's not safe to invest into crypto anymore. Given how manipulative both sides have been (ABC with Roger Ver and SV with Craig Wright), it's been demonstrated how centralized Bitcoin Cash really is. Eventually, nobody would want to deal with BCH anymore as it fades away into oblivion.

While ABC has been claiming they've won the war, that's not true since neither side (ABC or SV) have been able to take over the BCH name/brand. Both are mining at a huge loss, until interest declines from both people and miners over time. As such, the BCH hard fork of November 15th, 2018 has effectively destroyed the BCH blockchain and reputation as we know it. It'll be quite difficult for BCH (ABC) to rise again even if it manages to perform a quick change in PoW to prevent attacks from the SV chain.

Nonetheless, many people might switch back to the original Bitcoin as it has remained solid in development and innovation with strong community support. With its Lightning Network it'll become stronger than ever, rendering block size increases completely unnecessary (which is good for decentralization). Therefore, Bitcoin (BTC) will prevail while Bitcoin Cash will be forgotten within the next months. Just my opinion :)

Go SV (Satoshi implementation of Bitcoin) no need for bankers third party implementation (segregated witness) of bitcoin.
Peer to peer is the only future.
Satoshis bitcoin whitepaper, where does it say anything about 3rd party banking style bitcoin.
https://www.bitcoin.com/bitcoin.pdf



https://i.imgur.com/8NsDA8T.jpg

I do not think that there is any sense at all to talk about these forks as real projects, you have to understand this, because many people are being frankly deceived now and they just don’t try to understand something.

I also did not hear about it. I agree with these guys just to do something, not only that they are at war with each other and spend their money, because of them the entire crypt market is collapsing!

The split is now causing hash war which is in turn affecting the crypto market and i think they will continue to fork until they are tired, even the bitcoin sv might still split in the future.

I think Bitcoin SV don't have extra protection and holders of BCH should be careful about it. Though am not holding the coin but I don't think it will just fade off like this. The coin still have a very important role to play in the industry.

You made such a valid point and i have understand more about what the war is all about, but i am wondering why all this is affecting the bitcoin since the hash war is between BCH ABC and SV? why is it affecting btc?

If the banks would not have forked bitcoin to create the 3rd party implementation of a segregated witness bitcoin (creating a payment channel, aka akin to opening a bank account) no other bitcoin version would exist.
Bitcoin is a banks version, SV is continuation of how Satoshi created it, Peer to Peer.  A world of difference.
ABC is a chines miners version.

how can we say now that all the hardfork happened and I think that the new coin will be very strong and will not get lost in the market

Am I the only one who doesn't care about BCH at all? :)
Don't understand who needs this trashcoin and why there is so much hype around it... What's the use of all these BTC forks?

Agree. The Bitcoin Cash hash war has caused more harm than good to the whole cryptocurrency market. That's main reason why prices have started to decline even further. Before that, Bitcoin prices were between the $6,500 - $7,000 mark. However, right after the BCH hard fork, prices have tumbled and experienced a sharp decline way below the $5,000 bottom (in Bitcoin) many have believed that the year would end.

Until today, Bitcoin Cash is still at war, since both sides (ABC and SV) are mining at a loss. They might never stop until either one gets the BCH ticker/name. Considering the current state of the Bitcoin Cash blockchain, I'd say that it's pretty much destroyed. It'll be quite hard for Roger Ver or even Craig Wright to gain a reputation within the crypto sphere, as no one would trust them anymore. Their actions have caused a deep impact not only to Bitcoin Cash, but also to the rest of the cryptocurrency market. People would think twice before investing into cryptocurrencies, due to these "hash wars" which disrupt the crypto sphere in various ways.

As much as I hate forks, BCH ABC or BCH SV will not survive for long. Even if either side wins, I doubt that BCH will take off in the future. In the bright side, Bitcoin is still the original Bitcoin, and it's been a reliable cryptocurrency for payments (despite the slow transaction throughput and high fees). There's never been a hard fork which has disrupted the BTC blockchain for a while, making Bitcoin the most secure cryptocurrency in existence. That's why, Bitcoin will prevail over other forks in the long term. Just my thoughts ;D

This is a great idea, which I fully support, because I also don’t understand the meaning and application of this project in the world, I don’t see the application because all the possible options are already taken.

I lost my money on bitcoin SV. To my mind these people are greedy.
Why do they need to create fork? Due to their actions crypto is down at the moment.

Lol, can you point me to the section in Satoshis bitcoin whitepaper, where does it say anything about 3rd party implementation of a segregated witness (segwit) at some stage (creating a payment channel, aka akin to opening a bank account)
https://www.bitcoin.com/bitcoin.pdf

The proper original Bitcoin is Peer to Peer, period.

https://i.imgur.com/8NsDA8T.jpg
https://bitcoinsv.io/

Bitcoin was not created for greedy money whores, found today.

well i tginkmthat it is really important foe you to know those thongs but i can not say taht i aj am a good specialist in this but i will learn

well this is not so simple to understand tat ypu will be able to maintain your business with different strategies right now

I found this block explorer and this could be a help for those who hold Bitcoin SV. This is what a ptoject should always have: https://bsvexplorer.info/

Yes, I saw that on coinmarketcap there were three coins the usual bitcoin cash and its two forks abc and sv. Then the usual bitcoin cash was replaced by abc, maybe he won the competition. As a result, such manipulation has hit the entire cryptocurrency market, even Bitcoin has fallen lower than everyone expected.

I do find the whole shenanigans very disgusting, all I see are bunch of greedy and egocentric individuals in power tussle and playing with the minds of investors. I hate to hear the fork thing, We won't be surprised hear another fork of either SV or ABC or both. All in attempting frustrate btc and the entire crypto but the king will always rise and keep ruling. Soon they should both be relegated to where other coins with the Bitcoin prefix are hiding on the Coinmarketcap, usually lower not among the top 100

There will always be people who stick to bitcoins principles and why it was created in the first place by satoshi.  
The “Nakamoto consensus” determines protocol rules according to the original Bitcoin white paper:   https://www.bitcoin.com/bitcoin.pdf
If the banks would not have touched it no fork would exist. A bankers bitcoin has nothing to do with the founders creations
"I owe you." (iou) https://bitcoinsv.io/

Prediction:

People who drove the BCH ABC & BCH SV split will now have a exchange war.

Everyone that had BCH can split it and for every BCH get 1 ABC and 1 SV

The ABC and SV crowd are dumping their BTC to buy or mine ABC or SV


Those that want SV are selling their ABC because 1 ABC = 2 SV.

This is driving the SV price upwards.

Once the SV reaches a certain level the ABC crowd will sell their SV and buy ABC back - driving SV down and ABC up.

This will go on for some time.

Eventually the ABC and SV crowds will HODL their centralized alt coins while cheap BTC is bought by those looking and laughing from the sidelines.

Speaking seriously and honestly, I do not understand what BTC SV is another fork? You understand that in general, if you do some kind of fork, then it should be the best parent element

Bitcoin Cash forked into BCH ABC and BCH SV

The split can be viewed here https://cash.coin.dance/


Basically - BCH ABC had more hashrate and support.  Both sides claim to have achieved some sort of victory.

It has scared away customers not only from their coin but from crypto in general.

YAY - winners !

So all awhile they have been claiming BCH is the REAL BTC but then again they forked calling it Satoshi's Version (SV). Can they now call it the real one or will they ever fork again by 2021 and call it  again SAtoshi's Original aka SO?  I saw it a real way to get more money from crypto by dumping the BCHSV and soon the BCHSO in the future. Forking is easy money specially if you are late in dumping your BTC stash.

I believe that a large motivation behind this is that Craig Wright wants to "salvage" old wallet balances.

i.e. take the balances from dormant wallets and coins that were deliberately burned.

Something he has publicly stated:
https://medium.com/@craig_10243/fixing-op-fals-fd157899d2b7

Exactly. All this mess was caused because of the clash between both factions (ABC and SV). If the hard fork would've gone smoothly, then investors would've held onto their coins. However, the uncertainty of the BCH blockchain has caused many people (including me) to sell all their coins for either USD or BTC. Right now, ABC is claiming that it won the hash war. On the other hand, SV says otherwise but has changed its views from claiming to be the "original Bitcoin Cash" to just being the "original Bitcoin".

Despite the recent events, all the attention has been towards Bitcoin (BTC), whenever it could rise back in value and bring the whole crypto market back to its original glory. To date, Bitcoin has remained stable and reliable as a cryptocurrency for borderless payments. Of course, there are many downsides within Bitcoin such as high fees and slow transaction throughput. But in the end, all of this will be solved with a much more decentralized approach (Lightning Network) than increasing the block size which tends to centralization.

Nonetheless, it'll be interesting to watch how everything unfolds for BCH in the upcoming months. Considering that the next hard fork will be on May 15th, 2019, the ABC team will have plenty of time to rethink their newest software iteration before another mess like this repeats itself. Just my thoughts ;D

Now I don't consider bitcoin cash as a long term story,because I don't know which fork to select. BCH was hardly dumped and now i would estimate both forks as a short term speculation,because for following months there will be more activity in these coins. Look, BCHSV has dropped to 40$ and bounced back to 110$ then to 85 and to 115 again. It has happened in 2-3 days! Can't believe!

Okay, thank you for giving me your precious time, but I still can not understand why to do it at all. It turns out that all this is just for the sake of increasing opportunities for mining?

Agree. Both BCH and BSV are relatively unstable in prices. While SV has already implemented replay protection, and both chains have gone their separate ways, there are still a few exchanges which haven't resumed BCH trading yet. In the case of exchanges which have adopted BSV, prices have been wild these past days. To be considered as a serious investment, it would need to stabilize for a while.

Despite this, the outcome of BSV and BCH is uncertain due to the recent Hash Wars. In the future, either BCH or BSV would die as people move on to better and promising cryptocurrency projects. It's up to debate whenever these Bitcoin forks would deliver something useful for the crypto space, as they're mainly based on pure hype and speculation. Speaking of BSV, Faketoshi said that within 2-3 years, the "original Bitcoin" would scale up to a 1TB block size. If this becomes a reality, then mass adoption of the cryptocurrency would be expected over time (although it might lead to huge centralization).

Nonetheless, it would be interesting to see how new features work on both chains (BCH and BSV) as they could be experimental grounds for improving the whole blockchain ecosystem as we know it. Just my thoughts ;D

Looks like I'll be trying Bitcoin SV, there were wallets that supports it and the demand also is getting better. Wallets such as Hodler wallet also provide a block explorer which is essential for every project. https://bsvexplorer.info/ Though tge coin is not too stable, will still give it a try.

I'm also a Hodler user, I'm planning to have Bitcoin SV and great to hear in the telegram group that they support it. Its also great that the team provided block explorer.

I feel that if they accept cryptocurrency as a technology, then all these forks will simply disappear. And there will be one global currency, which will be the most ideal market option for all.

As long as big companies like Bitman dominate the market, they will turn as they please, and this is actually a bad effect on cryptocurrency

The Bitcoin cash war is humorous and is equivalent to hurting each other. But this is a war that will happen in the cryptocurrency system. But their practice has seriously damaged Bitcoin cash. In the future, Bitcoin cash will lose its mainstream coin market, because of the fierce competition, Bitcoin cash will depreciate significantly in the future.

cryptocurrency is a technology and everyone accepts that but also they accept that this technology has a high value which is growing so they want to be a part of that growth and increase their own net worth. which is why we keep seeing these copy-coins spring out every now and then trying to make some money in this market. and it won't go away ever unless people start being dumb.

You are an amazing prophet, because everything you predicted has happened, BCHSV has appeared, I regret that I did not see this article at the right time!

Third party's not needed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgI0liAee4s

I haven't seen from the real side about the controversy between Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin Sv (Satoshi Vision). If there are differences about goals I think it's still on a normal scale. But what I want to ask, when Bitcoin SV is believed to be real Bitcoin. Is this all true? And where can this be interpreted? Thank you.

The emergence of different bitcoins is all because of the greed of people, we need only 1 BTC which will become stronger over time.

Unfortunately banks changed bitcoin and fundamentalist bitcoiners dont like it, so they separate from the bankers version and reclaim original interpretation.

Agree. There are so many useless forks and altcoins nowadays, which serve no real purpose other than speculation. If the mainstream world accepts cryptocurrency as a tech for real purposes in life (instead of as an investment tool or speculation), then Bitcoin would've become a more serious cryptocurrency that would dominate them all. However, so many forks out of the Bitcoin blockchain, would destroy its credibility, IMO, since people would be afraid of investing into it in the first place, with fear that their coins would get double spent in a split.

Not implementing replay protection (like Bitcoin SV did) could be extremely harmful for the underlying blockchain that has undergone the process of a hard fork. Both Bitcoin Cash (ABC) and Bitcoin SV, have had some serious issues during the weeks of the Hash War. If everything would've gone smoothly in the first place, then the market wouldn't had been negatively impacted like it is right now.

In the end, I believe that both Bitcoin Cash (ABC) and Bitcoin SV will die as they don't serve real purpose in life other than speculation. The original Bitcoin (BTC), with SegWit and LN, is heading into the right direction towards scaling in the safest way possible. Huge blocksizes would eventually fail, since people would not be able to meet the storage and bandwidth demands required to run a full node. Hence, only corporations would be able to support the BCH and BSV blockchains if they continue to increase their blocksizes at a fast pace over the long term.

Nonetheless, if it wasn't for Bitcoin's success, none of these forks would've had some attention in the mainstream world. They only carry the Bitcoin name/brand, but nothing more. Just my opinion :)

There are many debates is lighting network improvement or death of bitcoin. I dont know, I think that many people are just too emotional about bitcoin, and that even if bch was just few votes from being bitcoin, people just wont accept that. If Doge coin can exist so long, and probably will for long time ago, I really can't see any objective reason for bch or any of his forks to die!

Even today, I am more impressed with Bitcoin Cash.

Even the creator of this shitty fork was creating another joke https://cointelegraph.com/news/roger-ver-sidelines-bitcoin-cash-war-to-present-crypto-bull-case
Does it make sense to see that? That's ridiculous and there's something wrong with him lol

Probably. However, I'm not sure if Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV would survive, since they've had a bad reputation (especially BCH ABC) across the crypto space. Bitcoin Cash ABC used centralized checkpointing which is against Blockchain's true value proposition (decentralization). On the other hand, Bitcoin SV will become extremely centralized with highly-inflated block sizes that will render full nodes at home completely worthless.

As for Dogecoin, it has been able to survive (even if it was abandoned in development) mostly because of its decentralized model. Dogecoin resembles Bitcoin in every way, except for the type of PoW algorithm used and supply. There are no huge block sizes, and there's never been centralized checkpointing. Given how both Roger Ver and Craig Wright have manipulated the BCH blockchain and the market to their own will, it'll be hard to believe that Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV would survive anytime soon.

Therefore, only the true Bitcoin (BTC) will survive while most (if not all) Bitcoin forks would simply die in the end. Just my thoughts ;D

You are so right about centralisation, roger and jihan mined half of abc and wright mined half of sv, so if something kill them, it will be centralisation and hunger for power.
They may be manipulated it but I don't think they predicted the avalanche of price drop it would cause, I believe that they are mining in heavy loss right now, whatever they mine!

Yes these currencies are only for the use of traders that they do trade with them and are earning money. Some may adopt them for their businesses for giving support to these coins but in the long term it may not survive and Bitcoin will be the one coin which will be accepted globally.

Yes. Both ABC and SV are mining at a huge loss, although losses have been reduced as a result of a split between both chains. SV has already implemented replay protection, which has now become a separate chain of the BCH blockchain. Despite this, it's still more profitable to mine Bitcoin than either BCH or BSV (based on Coin Dance figures). I don't see any reason why miners would support a chain where it's highly centralized and manipulated by their players. Their money could be easily lost in an instant if another hard fork is announced producing another "Hash War".

This disastrous outcome between ABC and SV, have caused the whole crypto market to panic. Even the original Bitcoin (BTC) has suffered from losses in price and mining hashrate because of the BCH "Hash War". It may take a while before everything else recovers, while both BCH (ABC) and BSV fade into oblivion. I've seen many investors quit from BCH right after the "Hash War" to join Bitcoin once more.

If BCH (ABC) and BSV don't provide true development and usability for the mainstream world, then they'll become useless cryptocurrencies. In fact, they're useless nowadays, unless they take the right direction towards decentralization and quality development. Just my opinion :)

I don’t know exactly why, but I prefer the bitcoin cash. As for me, he will return his position and become popular again.

the bitcoincash community broke because of the hardfork bch, is this hf very important to do? and this has a profound impact on the price of BTTC, which then has an impact on the price of the altcoin on the market

Well there is saying: What doesn't kill you makes you stronger! So based what this fork did to btc and all market, and we survived, we should hope that btc is gonna get out of all this stronger than ever!

It looks like the story about bitcoin cash will be ended asap consider about that guy roger ver was realizing if that was hurting his portfolios too. That guy should learn a lot from this case and that's it.

They probably thought that this fork would have similar effects like bch fork on august 2017, everyone predicted apocalypse then and we had biggest bull run in history! But we got hit just opposite of that! They are greedy power hungry individuals, no matter what altruistic messages they send!

One element that affect Bitcoin's price is the war with these bitcoin cash. I don't know who will win this war.

these are two identical coins and I see no point in separating them. it seems to me that it is meaningless

I know before time that it will later comes to this as this is not a surprise to me, Let's keep watching and see how things will unfold in the future for these coins, for me bitcoin will always come on top in the end.

Bitcoin Cash has the edge between the two. BTC cash has already made its wallet exchange in the Philippines while Bitcoin SV doesn't have any yet. That indication shows the difference between the two coin. Don't get me wrong, both of them are worth holding but the other one is just a bit better since it offers a service that is much really needed in our country.

Exactly. Bitcoin Cash's community has teared apart right after the recent hard fork. If everything was thought out smoothly with ABC implementing replay protection, then none of this mess would've happened. However, because both Craig and Roger become too stubborn to protect their chains (starting a hash war), people have lost confidence in both BCH and BSV. Not to mention, ABC had implemented centralized checkpoints which defeat the true purpose of a blockchain (which is to eliminate the middleman). On the other hand, BSV with its huge block sizes would eventually become extremely centralized if they become filled to the max.

Which is why, I believe that Bitcoin (BTC) will prevail in the long term, since it's the only cryptocurrency with a decentralized approach towards scalability. Of course, many have criticized LN, but compared with other scaling solutions (like block size increase), it's the most decentralized.

In the meantime, both BCH and BSV's value combined is much lower than it was before the hard fork. I doubt that these cryptocurrencies would get anywhere especially after they've lost confidence from people in the mainstream world. But only time will tell us what will really happen with the future of BCH. Just my opinion :)

Of course, roger beliefs will not allow competitors to get ahead of their project and in particular its project will come first

Exactly. This shows how centralized BCH really is. A single entity or individual is responsible for the future direction of the BCH blockchain (which is Roger). On the other hand, Craig Wright along with Calvin Ayre, have a huge influence on the Bitcoin SV blockchain. Such cryptocurrencies will not go farther, as people realize how centralized they are. They would essentially become Ripple 2.0 with their rapidly-increasing block sizes affecting decentralization (as costs would be higher to run a full node).

Nonetheless, what matters most is that Bitcoin is still alive and leading the way among the large number of cryptocurrencies on the market. No matter what it's said, Bitcoin (BTC) is still the original Bitcoin. SegWit and LN was only needed to help address scalability issues and transaction malleability. Compared with block size increases, it's the most decentralized approach yet. Just my thoughts ;D

I prefer bitcoin SV than bitcoin Cash, the performance of the bitcoin SV is certainly surprising, when the market is in a negative trend, bitcoin SV continues to improve and is now in the top 10 in coinmarketcap, and I'm happy to have a little balance and of course I hope the market will recover soon and making bitcoin SV continue to skyrocket.

Although Bitcoin SV has shown a great growth, and it is in the top-10 now, I remember that Bitcoin will be always the best cryptocurrency. I will work with it and not with the forks as I trust BTC always.

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Bitcoin SV may have grown in price within the short term, but it could easily fail in the long term if it doesn't provide the world with real uses. This fork off the BCH blockchain, seems to be relatively unstable as it suffered a blockchain reorganization during the "Hash War". It's yet to be seen whenever the development team working on BSV strives for quality instead of quantity. Increasing the block size to 128mb is nothing if the cryptocurrency has issues in terms of stability and resiliency.

On the other hand, Bitcoin (BTC) is a reliable cryptocurrency which it's the most secure to date. The development team working on Bitcoin aims for quality in every way possible. That's why they've been careful when adopting scalable solutions for the BTC blockchain, as they don't want to mess with it in any way. The Lightning Network is believed that will scale Bitcoin safely as it helps maintain the cryptocurrency decentralized. Being a Layer-two solution, it won't have any negative impact on Bitcoin's main chain whatsoever. In case it fails, people could switch back to the main chain as usual.

Nonetheless, only time will tell us whenever both Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV will survive or die. Just my opinion :)

Bitcoin cash and bitcoin sv, these two coins are almost similar, but I do not know the advantages of what these two coins have, in my opinion bitcoin is better than any coin, and of course bitcoin is more widely known and remains the top coin crypto

fork coins can never become successful in the long run because they can not offer any real usages. it is simply due to the fact that they are mere copies of the original project which is doing everything they do in a much safer manner.
also keep in mind that they are going to be competing with a lot of altcoins that offer better usability than them.

They are really two big jokes. The internal split caused the two coins to sharply depreciate. Now, BCH and bchsv are not friendly to their investors. In the future, people will not choose to buy bch, bchsv is more willing to buy bitcoin. I think they have lost their future.

Agree. Most forked coins are copies of the original Bitcoin blockchain with some minor modifications. They don't provide something unique that's innovative from the rest of the cryptocurrencies on the market. As such, people would see no reason investing into these coins, as they merely serve the same purpose as Bitcoin. Of course, Bitcoin Cash has been claiming to be the true Bitcoin for a long time. On the other hand, Bitcoin SV claims to be the original Bitcoin.

But at the end of the day, none would be able to provide the level of adoption, development, and support, Bitcoin has been giving to the world for a long time. Comparing BCH and BSV vs Bitcoin, they're highly centralized and relatively unstable. Bitcoin has far more security and reliability than both BCH and BSV combined, not to mention that it's decentralized, and no single entity oversees the future direction of the cryptocurrency. BCH has Roger Ver and Jihan Wu on its side, while BSV has Craig Wright and Calvin Ayre on its side. On the other hand, Bitcoin has no public figure, and everyone is on its side. There's never been a "Hash War", neither dangerous block size increases that would compromise the whole blockchain.

Which is why, I believe that Bitcoin would succeed in the end with its Lightning Network. It's the most decentralized approach yet for scaling (although not completely decentralized) that would enable anyone in the world to process transactions without requiring a high degree of storage and bandwidth for full nodes (unlike increasing the block size). The main chain could operate the same way as it is right now, while the LN (being a Layer-two solution) would take care of micropayments in an easier way.

Nonetheless, what the future holds for both Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV is quite uncertain. For what I know, BCH and BSV's price combined is lesser than BCH's price prior to the hard fork on Nov 15th. That has a lot to say, as it could mean that investors have lost confidence in BCH and BSV. Just my thoughts ;D

Cryptocurrency this days is just overrun with worthless greedy money whores. Only care about get rich quick.
Hard core Bitcoiners, Satoshis implementation (Bitcoin SV) price is secondly, it will still be around long after everything else is gone.
Chines miners version ABC, future is uncertain. In my opinion i will outlive it.

Cryptocurrencies are also worthy investment so those are not believe the crypto potential they only loose the hope in crypto investment. Bitcoin cash hard fork is completely change the market so Bitcoin SV is similar than Bitcoin cash but only drawback is little lower demand in these days it is affect the market cap. May be crypto will going to moon in 2019 or 2020 then only all are understand the potential of cryptocurrency.

today, Bitcoin and its counterparts are no longer relevant, and leading players in the cryptocurrency market are talking about this. the information space is filled with negative news regarding Bitcoin cache and other altcoin.

I believe that the Bitcoin cash Bitcoin SV, neither of these plugs is not a good coin. If you buy only Bitcoin, the original.

I learning bitcoin cash graphics from the begining, I believe it will be popular and strong currency, better that other forks

If you would be so kind and point me to the section of segregated witness (segwit) here is Bitcoins white paper
https://www.bitcoin.com/bitcoin.pdf

Creating a banking channel (lightning) is like opening a bank account and has nothing to do with original Bitcoin.
Satoshi's version  is Peer to Peer (Men to Men, Person to Person) without 3rd party. Unwanted, not necessary or needed.

Satoshi quote
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A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution.

In my opinion, it is like to make a choice between dogs sheet and cats sheet. Both these coins are not worth to invest in them, because only original BTC is #1.

I hope that this battle will end soon and noone will win - both will die and the only one that survive will be Bitcoin Core.
Please explain to newcomers that Bitcoin SV is fork of fork of Bitcoin. :)

I believe that the battle has already ended after nearly two weeks of the hash war. The SV camp had already stated that they do not want to claim the name of Bitcoin Cash, but rather the original Bitcoin. Now, SV claims to be the original Bitcoin (something that BCH claimed prior to the hash war). As for both cryptocurrencies, Bitcoin Cash (ABC) is now on its own side, while Bitcoin SV has separated ways by implementing Replay Protection.

Bitcoin SV is a fork of the original Bitcoin blockchain and the Bitcoin Cash blockchain. The huge block size of 128mb makes it far more scalable and capable than both BCH and BTC. However, this adds up a greater level of centralization if blocks become filled to their entirety. On the other hand, BCH has more a more flexible block size capacity, but it's also centralized (as it was shown in the hash war, that the ABC camp used centralized checkpoints to protect against block reorganizations from the SV camp).

Because of the reasons said before, I believe that none have won the battle. Both BCH and BSV have lost many investors and will soon lose their communities due to mistrust on the development team. People will turn themselves back to the original Bitcoin (BTC), while BCH and BSV will become history.

Nonetheless, time will tell us what will really happen with these forks since other altcoins have survived after being forked from their parent chains. Ethereum Classic is a good example of this, where it forked from the original Ethereum blockchain back in 2016, and it's still alive and running. The same thing could happen with both BCH and BSV. Just my thoughts ;D

BSV is Hardcore Bitcoiners the way Satoshi created it. None of this none bitcoin 3rd party  segregated witness (segwit) bullshit, aka creating banking channel or tinkering with max supply or what not.
It is a staunch community thats why they carry forward the creators way of bitcoin chain, aka Men to Men (Peer to Peer like in White paper) transaction.

ABC is Chinese miners version

Bitcoin SV may have all the original features of Bitcoin, but it will become highly centralized over the long term, because of its huge block size. Considering how many people cannot meet the necessary budget to operate an SV node (in case blocks would become filled to their entirety), due to high storage and bandwidth requirements, only a few people (mostly wealthy individuals) would be able to maintain the Bitcoin SV blockchain. Of course, this could change if somehow storage and bandwidth would increase at a fast pace over time, while costs become reduced (Moore's law).

However, that's not happening, which means that the risk of centralization is still there for SV. On the other hand, BTC has a much smaller block size which is quite manageable for everyday people as storage and bandwidth requirements are low. In the case of Bitcoin Cash, I fully agree with you. Bitcoin Cash (ABC) is the Chinese miners’ version of Bitcoin since Bitmain's Jihan Wu fully backs it. As for the future direction of Bitcoin, time will tell whenever the Lightning Network or a block size increase is the most viable solution for scaling.

Nonetheless, both Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV may survive for a long time. It will depend on how many users, businesses and startups are supporting them. So far, Bitcoin Cash (ABC) has the most support when compared with Bitcoin SV. There may not be many nodes and miners for SV, but that could change in the future if people become largely interested in it. Just my opinion :)

All of you, that in the entire life of Bitcoin, there were already a lot of splits, and not a single so-called clone-Bitcoin could even come close to Bitcoin.

I think the bitcoin currency Now many uses of blockchain technology are almost evenly distributed in every sector of modern life. Both the health, environmental, economic and even education sectors.
So the new token that appears is certainly not just / like old tokens whose functions are quite limited. So I think it's pretty good. Although we will also be more confused to determine what coins/tokens we can invest later.

i think they are equivalent, on a personal level i prefer bitcoin cash, bitcoin sv i do not think has brought anything new beyond the possibility of choosing the size of the blocks that i do not care about it

When comparing both Bitcoin Cash, and Bitcoin SV, Bitcoin Cash seems to be much more stable and reliable than SV these days. However, SV only has a few months since its inception, which means that it could improve over time. It'll be interesting to watch both blockchains grow alongside each other, as it'll help determine which is the best in terms of scalability, and most of all, reliability. In terms of decentralization, Bitcoin is still the winner (at least in the technical aspects).

However, some level of centralization (like BCH and BSV have) is somewhat good for high transaction throughput and low fees. Which is why, increasing the block size over time, will help the blockchain network to retain its scalability (with the downside that storage and bandwidth costs will rise accordingly). Perhaps, someday BCH and BSV would aim for unlimited block sizes enabling massive scalability, but with a huge centralization risk.

Nonetheless, Bitcoin Cash (ABC) seems to have the most support from merchants, individuals, startups, and companies alike (according to Coin.dance stats). Things could change in the future, if people adopt Bitcoin SV at a large scale. Just my opinion :)

I invested in Bitcoin Cash last year but after the split or you can say hardfork its a big loss. I am still hopeful for long term but don't know howlong.

If you choose from these projects, I probably would not have chosen anything, because both of these projects are simply hopeless today. These projects are not used anywhere and I think that they will not be popular.

Agree. After the BCH Hash War, things have changed drastically in people's perception of Bitcoin Cash. Now, many have abandoned the BCH blockchain because of uncertainty related to the same. While BSV has parted separate ways, the events of the Hash War were a complete mess. It shows how centralized are both ends (Bitcoin Cash ABC and Bitcoin SV) either by using checkpointing or controlling a large share of the network's hashrate (like Craig and Calvin).

Bitcoin Cash's current price is way lesser that it was prior to the hard fork. It's a good thing I've gotten out of BCH before Nov 15th, as I would've lost a lot of money by now. I'm not thinking of going back to BCH, unless it improves to be a decentralized cryptocurrency for the masses. Despite this, given the reputation both chains had during the Hash War (BCH and BSV), it'll be hard for either BCH or BSV to gain traction anytime soon.

Nonetheless, in this bear market, it's good to remain with some Bitcoin (BTC) while everything goes back to normal. :)

I see no reason at all today to talk about what would be best at the moment. In my opinion, both projects have no sense whatsoever, so today I see that the market as a whole does not accept any forks. Today, only real cryptocurrencies.

Honestly I do not know did not study the project BItcoinSV and what it is promising,but for me so I'm sure that it will flourish mainly Bitcoin itself,and its Forks will always be in the back place, ESA of the two to choose probably still bitcoin cache, as it is strongly sagged, and there is a basis to believe that it should be very good to grow, but not the fact that SV so will grow, as a relatively new coin, and especially BZ drawdown it was

I don't choose the second, BTC is the only real coin, besides it is shit. You must have known about the hardfork bch yesterday. Bch developers only want to make a profit and that only worsens the crypto market.

Exactly. Both projects have no sense, since they’re nearly identical to Bitcoin with only a few minor tweaks. Increasing the block size capacity, and reactivating some opcodes, is not innovative since Bitcoin had such features in its early days. In other words, Bitcoin didn't have a block size limit, with many opcodes activated. However, the real Satoshi did implement a limit in block size and disabled some opcodes for a very good reason (to protect the BTC blockchain from attacks). This has allowed Bitcoin to remain a resilient and decentralized cryptocurrency ever since it came into inception back in 2009.

Removing the block size limit or increasing it to enormous levels, as well as, reactivating some opcodes, will make Bitcoin highly centralized and insecure. Which is why, I believe that at some point in the future, BCH and BSV will fail due to their centralization and unstable blockchains. As such, the more the block size increases, the worst as average people won't be able to afford running a full node (in case blocks were filled to their maximum capacity of either 32mb or 128mb.

Therefore, only real cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin and Ethereum will survive for many years to come. Just my thoughts ;D

Have you heard blockchain info added bitcoin SV in their wallet? I believe it is positive sign. By the way I prefer to stay away from both bitcoin ACB and bitcoin SV.
This hardfork seems shady for me and I don't see big future for any of these coins.

Me neither. Both coins are centralized with no purpose for the real world. They have nearly the same scalability roadmap where they'll continue to increase the block size to new heights. When compared against Bitcoin, they're less secure and resilient for everyday transactions. Despite that Bitcoin devs have been criticized by not properly scaling the cryptocurrency, I believe that they're doing a good job since they're preserving decentralization which is most important.

It's easy to increase the block size to any desired level, but it could have serious risks of centralization in the long term. One needs to have in mind the interest of the people, to help maintain the cryptocurrency as decentralized and free from middleman as possible. Bitcoin SV is extremely centralized in its mining process (as the 3 major mining pools are controlled by nChain), while Bitcoin Cash is centralized by its own developers (implementing checkpoints, etc)

Because of the Hash War disaster, I've decided to never get into Bitcoin Cash again. Prior to such event, I've sold all my BCH to BTC as I had the feeling that prices were going to fall across the market due to the hard fork. Many investors have become disappointed by Bitcoin Cash ABC and Bitcoin SV, which has led them back into Bitcoin (BTC) itself.

Nonetheless, the future lies for Bitcoin instead of all the other useless Bitcoin forks. Just my opinion :)

Bcash is much better than SV, bcash is working towards more adoptions with on chain scaling while SV is just a scam coin.

Between bitcoin cash and bitcoin sv, I tend to choose bitcoin cash while for bitcoin sv I don't know too much, I think bitcoin cash is developing quite well and in the future it will certainly be more widely known

Nothing is better than any of them.

They both are centralized and is just dividing the people who supports bitcoin. These two are just bitcoin forks.

Bitcoin is bitcoin not sv, not abc.

Regarding Hardforks
https://i.ibb.co/Sf0J3kT/bitcoin-version3.png (https://ibb.co/CPvWHjd)
Hardcore Bitcoiners will never touch Lightning, segwit it has nothing to do with Bitcoin.

I much prefer to choose bitcoin Cash, or rather the main line here which is bitcoin. Yes, both are upgrades of bitcoin but bitcoin is the best and many people know it that's why I believe it still has its future.

I think this hardfork was not needed at all, the market looks terrible, and they also divided society!

Yes the segwit Hardfork was not needed at all and because of it now 50 or so bitcoin forks exist.

Both are sitcoms so I won't be supporting any, all they do is divert attention away from the real bitcoin. Hopefully both will wither away and the top ten can have real altcoins instead

Your best bet would be with Bitcoin, of course. Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV doesn't stand a chance against Bitcoin, due to their instability and high centralization. Of course, Bitcoin (BTC) may be criticized because of its slow development and different approach to scalability. But until today, it has proven itself to be a truly decentralized cryptocurrency for the world.

With an increase in block size, there would be greater transaction capacity and lower fees. However, the biggest flaw of this approach is centralization as the more the block size of the blockchain, the more the requirements will be for any average Joe to run a full node (in case blocks were to become filled at their maximum). Using a second-layer solution will eliminate the risks of centralization (in contrast to a block size increase), as every operation will be separate from the main chain. Of course, it's not perfect since it has some downsides, but it’s the best thing there is towards scaling Bitcoin safely for the mainstream world.

Despite this, time will tell us whenever the Lightning Network or a block size increase would be the best solution for scaling Bitcoin to the world. Just my thoughts ;D

Bitcoin Cash direction is uncertain at this stage.
 BTC, and BSV direction is clear at least two more hardforks for BTC (when backward compatibility stops and when max supply is changed) and BSV continue on Satoshis path no matter what.
Golden Future
https://i.ibb.co/WcgNTFD/photo-2019-02-01-08-08-45.png (https://imgbb.com/)

Both are scamcoins.

I wouldn't pick sides on this. One of them has Roger Ver and the other has Craig Wright as their leaders. Both of them are sociopathic liars.

I can watch Craig without getting mad though. It is because while I know he is a liar I can still stand his voice. That's not the case with Roger. His voice is fucking disturbing and he has some real mental issues. Worse than Craig.

That's a lie.

So you are not considering Andreas Antonopoulos as a hardcore bitcoiner? Because he one of the most hardcore bitcoiner I know and He definitely touches LN.

More to that, segwit is enabled by consensus from both miners and the users. And consensus is what makes bitcoin "bitcoin".

Hey SV shill, where is your shitcoin's (craig) hashrate?

Satoshi made Bitcoin.
Hardforcing a  hardfork is not a consensus.
Blockchains have no CEO, databases like ripples xrp have archaic, hierarchical structure.

Where is your hashrate?

Where will BTC hashrate be after next 2 hardforks?

Where is yours now?

I dont have one, i am not a blockchain.
BSV hashrate is currently about 40 times less than BTC. That ratio certainly will change after next two programmed BTC hardforks

Might happen. Or not. This is what you are hoping. In reality you don't know.

In reality BSV is just another shitcoin with no hashrate backing it up. 40 times. 40 times shittier.

And when will those 2 hardforks will take place? 2 years? 20 years? When will BSV become Bitcoin? 50 years? Will you be here when BSV has less than BTC's hashrate in 100 years?

No. You won't. Because you are a fucking pathetic liar.

Noone knows the future.
BSV is Bitcoin without segwit or lightning the way Satoshi made it.
When the backward compatibly hardfork is in place which one will be your "Bitcoin" the segwit (lightning) or the Legacy fork?
Can you point to a lie, i have legit opinions.

BSV is bitcoin without segwit, lightning, users, hashrate, trade volume, developers. BSV basically lacks everything what makes bitcoin "bitcoin". (Not much different than Bitconnect. BCC don't have these too.) But all the crap it has what makes a shitcoin "shitcoin". Craig Wright makes its way right at the top of the list.

Since you are following a pathological liar like Craig, I am not surprised you are not any different.

Craig Wright is a liar, unstable person and close to be called a psychopath. He is a con-artist and a hater. There is no reasoning in abiding by whatever nonsense he says unless you are either a payed shill or a scammer like him. He isn't intelligent either. Closer to average with most probable bellow average IQ. Cunning and deceptive. These traits don't qualify him as the genius you want him to be. In all seriousness stop following this mofo scammer.

No one cares about Craig Wright, miners control PoW chains and blockchains have no CEO, databases like ripples xrp have archaic, hierarchical structure.
A fair few devs moved form BCH to BSV in recent times.

Miners is also the reason BCH is not a long term solution.

But miners mine Bitcoin. Not Bcash (not BAB neither BSV). That means your coin isn't bitcoin but some shitcoin no different than other 2000 coins.

Here is your Shitcoin Cash Craig edition's hashrate:

https://i.ibb.co/G7ZZ1NZ/cccd.png

It is not even visible on the charts. LoL

I think it will not be divided to develop separately. This is their strategy and they are making more investors pay more attention to their new products and altcoin to attract more investors.
You can see that the value of BCH has decreased to develop Bitcoin SV. They used money to pump the value of Bitcoin SV and the process was quite successful.
In short, Bitcoin SV and BCH are both excellent altcoins and it will likely take the 3rd place of ETH in the future.

The coins lost value because of the controversy between the two coins. In particular, bitcoin sv owners were threatening twitter.

When Lightning network comes for serious they both will be useless. Perhaps they will be useful only for speculators, but not for everyday payments. So even if there will be a growth it will be artificial, not the natural one like with BTC.

What constitutes Bitcoin is defined by the creators whitepaper here: https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

Lets see BTC hashrate after next two hardforks, it will nosedive.
BTW you still have not answered:
What to you personally define as "Bitcoin" then?

I don’t think that I’m going to hurt anyone if I say that both of these projects really do not make any sense. Now the most important thing is for people to understand that cryptocurrencies are currencies and they can be used in the future as a means of payment.

Currency has no value. If you think xrp has value i cant really help you.
The fast majority of Gold is dug up for the whole purpose to rebury it in some fault for years and years. In Bitcoin terms its called Hodl
 Lightning is opposite of Hodl. For hodl blocksize, fee is irrelevant.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103842.msg49495078#msg49495078

Green candle events are rare this days but always refreshing
https://i.imgur.com/ZCI0sdi.png

And yet I'm more prone to bitcoin cash. I think there are more serious intentions than at SV. The latter is somehow not credible.

A fair few devs moved form BHC to BSV in recent times.
In the next weeks it will reveal which direction Bitcoin Cash is moving. At this stage to many uncertainties. Does not look good, but lets see.
Heck i am not even sure what is the official ticker symbol is.
Is it the left leaning orange coin https://i.ibb.co/LYxb371/1831-2.png (https://imgbb.com/) or orange note https://s2.coinmarketcap.com/static/img/coins/32x32/1831.png or the green note https://i.ibb.co/h78dJgP/1831-3.png (https://imgbb.com/)
If someone know the official ticker feel free to share.

With SV its simple, straight Golden BTC and stick to the creators protocol. That Craig dude is best ignored.
BTC with its hardfork to segwit is like stitching a 3 arm on because the creator made you wrong with only two arms.

A place of storing your assets long-term like gold gives it value. Currency is worthless it just moves from place to place.

It seems to me that after this fork, the interest in them on the part of most investors will disappear completely!

I think bitcoin cash will last, because it still follows the main vision of Bitcoin. because as far as I know, a coin that breaks from the main coin and does the hardfork itself but has started different directions with the main coin, it will sink further in the market. and in this case, bitcoin sv has a different path.

If I am going to choose between that, I will rather choose Bitcoin CASH. I just don't feel good with the satoshi vision, maybe I could buy some, but still prefer bitcoin cash based on my intuition.

Completely agree with you, mate. The Lightning Network if successful, it could render many Bitcoin forks useless. A simple block size increase won't solve the scalability problem, as the Blockchain will become clogged over time with high usage. By taking the huge load of transactions into a separate layer (Layer 2) from the main chain, the Blockchain will be able to process transactions with ease. Of course, anyone can raise the block size to their heart's content, in order to temporarily solve scalability problems. However, it has many risks (like centralization) that are not worth taking for the stability of the Blockchain.

As for the Lightning Network, if it were to fail, Bitcoin can safely continue as is without any disruptions. That's not possible with either BCH or BSV since everything happens on the main chain. In case something wrong happens, then the Blockchain network will become completely disrupted. Despite this, time will tell us which scalability solution (either block size increase or LN) is the most reliable one for the Bitcoin blockchain. Which means, that either BTC will win with its LN (if successful) or BCH/BSV with their block size increase. As for me, I believe that Bitcoin (BTC) will win in the long run. Just my thoughts ;D

Everyone can make of it what they want.
https://medium.com/@craig_10243/the-story-of-bitcoin-continued-2f1ec78ba38b

Says no one cares about Craig...


Only a few posts later, shares a Craig article.

Shows how corrupted and desperate the bcashSV shills has become. It is just like I predicted. Roger and Craig both are scammers and they just couldn't share the cake evenly. Now they are trying to promote their own scams but in a few years both of them will be no more.

Sharing an article has nothing to do with caring,  one or other may find it interesting.

The way things are since segregated witness hardfork
BTC is forking itself to dead, at least another 3 on horizon......(MimbleWimble, end of backward comparability, max supply change) LN is technically a altcoin anyway with own notes.......
BCH the Chinese Miners controlled junk
BSV can never free itself from that Craig character

BSV is the real bitconnect !! ;) weeeee

I did not think that I would say this, but I think that these projects also do not make sense as many other BTC forks, which are created exclusively in cases that now have the opportunity to be. Probably in the future there will be something when they launch a network of Lightning.

Bitcoin cash may end up better off than SV, just seems like it has more adoption.  But what I'm really excited about is bitcoin hex, its completely free and you can claim it if you own bitcoin.  The first trustless interest on the blockchain.

http://bitcoinhex.com/?r=0x1976A52C86a8dFA6b2d712fbdCd4B770Ef815e94

richard hart is slobbering n00b !! :-*  * if you want a hype tip look at BTI * ===>

https://freiexchange.com/market/BTI/BTC

Richard Heart is more intelligent than you buddy.

he's a n00b!! lmfao get outta town..get some instantcoin b4 it rocketzz to $1 ;) weeeee

I believe that BTC, as well as, BCH and BSV have taken different approaches towards scalability. Both BCH and BSV have focused more on crypto politics than delivering real use cases for the mainstream world. On the other hand, BTC has adopted SegWit and Lightning Network with the aim to become useable for everyone. Of course, not everyone agrees with the path BTC has taken, but it's the safest approach for scaling Bitcoin without compromising the whole blockchain. In case LN fails, people can resort back to the main chain.

Considering how BCH's Hash War resulted in a mess, no one would want to invest into either BCH or BSV again. Bitcoin SV is largely controlled by nChain and CoinGeek, while Bitcoin Cash is largely controlled by its devs. Bitcoin (BTC) has more diversity of power than any of those forks, despite having a large portion of mining hashrate controlled by Bitmain. It's only a matter of time before people decide which cryptocurrency is the real Bitcoin for the world. So far, it's been Bitcoin (BTC) because people trust it more than any other fork in existence. Remember that copies (Bitcoin forks) will never overcome something that's original (like Bitcoin). Just my thoughts ;D

BCH is mainly controlled by Chinese miners.
BTC is focusing in alternative network like lightning instead of Bitcoin network. (separate nodes, markets,,,,,,,)
BSV has that Craig character to deal with.

I think this competition is not healthy on the long term in contrast with smart contract bitcoin spinoff are competing for the money not for the tech at least for me

The performance of bitcoin sv is amazing, of course this makes the position of altcoins the other one threatened especially is bitcoin cash, i'm sure that this year bitcoin sv can beat bitcoin cash.

It seems to me that the cryptocurrency has not risen enough on its feet to develop such contradictions, it obviously will not lead to good!

Roger Ver and his projects today do not have a need, today this person is not something very important at all. I think that these projects will definitely die. The main question is when. Therefore, everything depends on it.

Exactly. Both chains are competing for the money, instead of the tech. On the other hand, Bitcoin (BTC) is building its infrastructure for micropayments without disruptions. Of course, not many people will be in favor of the Lightning Network, but it's by far the safest approach to scaling than just increasing the block size to enormous levels. Bitcoin's community is well-unified compared to the likes of both BCH and BSV.

Before BSV's inception, Bitcoin Cash used to be a good coin as the community was guiding it every step of the way. But now it's largely controlled by its developers and its enigmatic leader known as Roger Ver. Nov 15th's latest events, shows us that Bitcoin Cash is heavily centralized controlled only by the likes of a few (Roger Ver and Bitmain miners). BSV is on the same boat as BCH, but even worse as hashrate is not even properly distributed across the network (only nChain and CoinGeek dominate the space).

Which is why, I believe that neither Bitcoin Cash or Bitcoin SV will win in the long run. Bitcoin (BTC) may have its issues (since it's not perfect yet), but it's the most resilient and decentralized cryptocurrency to date. It's been criticized by some people with opposing views, but it's still widely popular in contrast to its forks (like Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin SV, Bitcoin Gold, etc). Just my thoughts ;D

Will always be in favor of the Bitcoin network, hard-forking to the Lighting Network is wrong.   Satoshi's Network, period.

https://i.ibb.co/HVh5mrq/Dzhsu2-QUw-AAY8-Ku.jpg (https://ibb.co/jTJn7LD)

both these project are very doubtful in case of success and I think they will perish in certain period of time - may be 1 year or may be several years.

I believe that both of these coins can only be used as coins for trading. I wouldn't bet on them in the long run.

So are still alive those two coins responsible for the fall of Bitcoin from the $ 6000 level? Well, I know this mess at the end of last year was not enough, but it did cause some havoc! Apparently, Craig is in trouble in fact confirming himself as Satoshi, but at least he is admittedly recognized as Faketoshi, it's a good start! Roger ended up getting lost and killed BCHABC. Honestly, those two coins were destroyed.

my opinion about this controversy is "this is a bad thing" because with the split that happened then the bitcoin community and Bitcoin cash became divided and this would weaken the price of both because the community had a big impact on the price of coins
the bigger the community, the stronger the price and the smaller the community, the weaker the price

All-Star Panel: Ed Moy, Joseph VaughnPerling, Trace Mayer, Nick Szabo, Dr. Craig Wright
 Bitcoin Investor Conference - Las Vegas, NV Oct. 29 - 30, 2015

-Dr. Craig Wright (48:18 - 50:01 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdvQTwjVmrE&t=2898s)

Whether he is Satoshi or not, he is certainly a very passionate and extremely intelligent man.


Dr. Craig Wright:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdvQTwjVmrE&t=180s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdvQTwjVmrE&t=870s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdvQTwjVmrE&t=1915s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdvQTwjVmrE&t=2250s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdvQTwjVmrE&t=2805s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdvQTwjVmrE&t=3403s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdvQTwjVmrE&t=3883s


Couple of years old but interesting.
https://gizmodo.com/this-australian-says-he-and-his-dead-friend-invented-bi-1746958692

I think that both of these coins are just a tool for trading. I like many will not invest in them in the long term.

Average YTD daily Transactions  until 16 Feb 2019

BTC    285,317
Doge  30,053
LTC       23,136
BSV      18,589
DASH 11,635
BCH   10,458
XMR    5,152

The Dev exodus from BCH to BSV is taking its toll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_JSri8qcNg&feature=youtu.be

Yes. Ever since Bitcoin Cash emerged back in 2017, things have been very bad within the crypto space. Bitcoin has been affected in its price and reputation, as Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV have done their part. By simply carrying the "Bitcoin" name, people will believe that Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV are the real Bitcoin. Because of the "Bitcoin" brand/name, both Bitcoin forks have remained within the top market cap rankings. Other than that, they have no future as people will resort to the original Bitcoin blockchain that's stable, secure, and resilient.

Of course, there's a chance that both BCH and BSV will survive in the long term. Due to their distributed and open source nature, it's widely possible that they'll continue their lifecycle for many years to come. All that's needed is just a node and a miner for any blockchain network to remain operational.

Nonetheless, I believe that Bitcoin (BTC) will always be the winner, even if many criticize SegWit and Lightning Network. Just my thoughts ;D

I have never used any of those two coins for anything I sold my last Bitcoin cash a year ago, so I never got the BSV coin. There's a very little community around those coins, and most people in crypto don't like those coins.
 I see those coins as a step in bitcoins evolution, we need as many forks coins as possible to fork out of bitcoins, and then we need them to fail. Then fewer people will get scam when bitcoins gets to mass adoptions, because I think less people will fall for  scam fork coins with the bitcoin name, if all the other coins have failed.

Me neither. I've only used Bitcoin Cash (BCH) once, for doing a quick trade towards Bitcoin (BTC). In the process, transaction fees were extremely cheap and confirmation times were fast, but it was not comparable to Bitcoin in terms of security and resilience. Both Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV, may have an advantage in terms of scalability relative to Bitcoin, but they will turn out to become extremely centralized within the future.

On the other hand, Bitcoin's scalability solution is separated from the main chain itself. This will allow Bitcoin to remain decentralized with a flexible block size (with Segwit it's up to 4MB), while being able to process micropayments in an instant. It has always been an original project delivering constant innovation relative to other cryptocurrencies on the market. Both BCH and BSV are simply forks or copies of the original Bitcoin blockchain that are not as innovative as other cryptocurrencies (except for BCH if it implements Avalanche consensus).

Nonetheless, Bitcoin might prevail in the long run, while the rest of the forks carrying the Bitcoin brand/name will die in the end. Just my opinion :)

Evolution of Blockchains
https://ibb.co/WVhyQV7
https://i.ibb.co/sWfwhWc/Untitled.png (https://ibb.co/WVhyQV7)

Hyperbole and creative graphics aside. This image does convey the beliefs of the revisionist CSW aka Satoshi aka faketoshi. It is deserving of a moment of reason. All things being "market driven" $BSV is the equivalent of a snowball in hell going uphill. In order for Bitcoin SV to overtake BCH in marketcap it will have to do two things very well. 1. Allow enough initial volatility for swing traders to run up profits. 2. Out develop BCH on the use case front.

#2. is happening   

Just buy both and be happy. No matter who wins or lose you always will be a winner.

#2. is happening in a big way. You could see Rogers worried face some time ago when dev's departed BCH and moved to BSV
The next major red flag was the Bitcoin Cash Developer meeting February 14, 2019 ...no,no,no
For time being bch price is held up by Chinese miners selling every bitcoin flavor except  bch. Remains to be seen how long that works out.
Development takes some time but there is tons of things worked at on bsv chain. https://www.bsvdevs.com/
Turn based computer game on bsv chain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfwXMCQ3yk&feature=youtu.be
on chain tetris https://bico.media/14734bc19a533ab6c510ebd419ad1e980603b1f62084b3f24b7c3d440ec6bfea
issue, trade and manage tokens https://tokenized.com/
https://bitcoinassociation.net/
Most likely the best wallet ever seen on crypto https://www.handcash.io/ or another is    https://www.centbee.com/ (https://www.centbee.com/)
............

Another similar block-chain-graph
https://i.ibb.co/qNvfnZF/Untitled.png (https://ibb.co/c6jHvmX)

People in here calling bitcoin cash shit and worthless, I bet you wouldn't turn down some free bitcoincash if someone gave it to you.  That alone shows that it has at least some value.  Its still a top 10 coin with high trading volume, at least its not complete shit like dogecoin.

Finally we know that there is no diffrence between all Bitcoin forks. All of them are scams without any use case.
There is only one reason why they were created because creators are now millionaires and normal people are poorer.  8)

Well, as far as I'm aware, Dogecoin has more transactional activity than Bitcoin Cash. You can look at BitInfoCharts and see for yourself by comparing both cryptocurrencies. Market cap rankings don't necessarily mean that a cryptocurrency is widely popular or being massively used within the mainstream world. Lower-rated cryptocurrencies on the market like Dogecoin and Dash have greater activity than BCH.

The only reason why Bitcoin Cash has remained within the top rankings in market cap is because of its limited supply just like Bitcoin. Also, its current price contributes to this. Other than that, BCH is an unpopular cryptocurrency that has been losing supporters ever since the Hash War started back on November 2018.

As for Bitcoin SV, it's on the same boat as Bitcoin Cash (and maybe even worse) with very low transactional activity. Compared to BCH, it has a greater level of centralization. CoinGeek and nChain (2 large companies) are the ones that are dominating BSV's mining sector. In this respect, Bitcoin Cash is far more distributed in the mining process. Still, both cryptocurrencies rely on huge block sizes that would eventually sacrifice decentralization for speed and convenience. Which means that Bitcoin (BTC) will continue to be on top due to its decentralized design.

Nonetheless, I wouldn't invest into BCH or BSV because they've become corrupted as leaders (Roger Ver and Craig Wright) seek to fill their pockets with money instead of contributing to Bitcoin's cause as "Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash".

I do not like the two coins, bitcoin cash and bitcoin SV, so I also think not to invest in the two coins, because I have invested in other coins which I am sure will give me a good profit in the future

Same here, these forks does not help the market, I would not appreciate any coin that is coming from BTC.
I am not supporting this coins also but it cannot be avoided that I can see them since they are a high volume coins, but between the two if I have to choose, I will choose bitcoin cash all day.

In hindsight, this fork has damaged the valuation of Bitcoin Cash, which has fallen in rankings and now is even under Litecoin. This signals to me that investors have less confidence in the forks of bitcoin, and if bitcoin scales properly, I am not quite sure what the purpose of Bitcoin Cash will be. Litecoin on the other hand can implement confidential transactions and other features to distinguish itself without sowing brand name confusion.

I am not interested in bitcoinCash and bitcoinSV after what happened at that time, the original bitcoin faction completely deceived someone who was layman. original bitcoin that will always dominate the market and while bitcoinCash or bitcoinSV I'm not sure it will last long.

As far as I understand, many people still do not understand why we need all these BTC forks that do nothing. Just think that today there are simply no opportunities to use these projects. Soon their value will not be equal to anything.

Tokens on the Bitcoin Core (SegWit) chain are referenced as BTC coins;
tokens on the Bitcoin Cash ABC chain are referenced as BCH, BCH-ABC or BAB coins.

Bitcoin Satoshi Vision (BSV) is today the only Bitcoin project that follows the original Satoshi Nakamoto whitepaper, and that follows the original Satoshi protocol and design. BSV is the only public blockchain that maintains the original vision for Bitcoin and will massively scale to become the world’s new money and enterprise blockchain.



Conference on cryptocurrency
https://coingeek.com/canadian-billionaire-calvin-ayre-brings-popular-coingeek-conference-on-cryptocurrency-to-toronto-may-29-30/

BTI is the original fork now fork off ;) lol weeeeee

For anyone who has the time and genuine interest an 1;48  hour long interview with Bitcoin Association President Jimmy Nguyen
https://youtu.be/xz5t329Ceug (https://youtu.be/xz5t329Ceug)

who are these assclowns? he looks hella gay :\ lol

since when did there need to be a bitcoin association anyways? haha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz5t329Ceug&t=1h48m7s

Exactly. Before the Hash War back in November, 2018, BCH was one of the top cryptocurrencies in market cap. It was the fourth largest cryptocurrency by market cap, but now it's standing on the sixth place. The BSV hard fork has taken a lot of the market share of Bitcoin Cash by a large margin. Another factor which could've caused negative prices for BCH is the lack the trust among its investors. During the Hash War, there was a lot of uncertainty which caused many businesses and investors to turn their attention back to Bitcoin (BTC).

Despite the many criticism of Bitcoin (BTC), it has managed to survive and retain its reputation across the market in contrast to BCH, BSV and other BTC forks. Of course, many implementations of BTC nowadays use have different approaches to scalability. However, only projects which are able to deliver stability, reliability, and most of all, decentralization, will be able to survive in the long term. So far, Bitcoin fits the bill nicely, while the rest of its forks are struggling to stay on top of other altcoins in the market.

Nonetheless, in the eyes of many people, Bitcoin (BTC) will be the winner among other cryptos due to its resilience and decentralization in mind. Just my opinion :)

On CoinMarketCap, the ABC chain is now recognized as Bitcoin Cash (BCH) and Craig Wright's chain as Bitcoin Cash SV (BSV) $ 83.630 -2.96%, Ayre thinks and Wright believes BSV is 'genuine Bitcoin.'
While the ABC vs. SV hash war may end, there is no indication of an end to hostilities between the two camps. At present, BCH is only slightly above Stellar based on market capitalization.
One important event that must be considered is 'improvement.' The next scheduled Bitcoin Cash. It would be interesting to see whether the Bitcoin Cash community made this strategy move forward. As we have seen, regularly scheduled hard forks may not always be the safest approach to 'improve' the protocol.

It is currently over 2000 times cheaper to sent money on BSV as in BTC
https://i.ibb.co/M5Q3WYr/Untitled2.png (https://imgbb.com/)

Scaling is well on target, several times over 100Mb blocks have been mined on BSV, BTC stuck on 1Mb.

BCH is targeting to be just digital cash.
BSV is not just payment, its everything, a whole new internet, data storage.....
https://bottle.bitdb.network/

The restoration of original Bitcoin is progressing, a lot of work and not easy undertaking.
Mining looks fine
https://i.ibb.co/wCXkCwZ/Untitled.png (https://imgbb.com/)

if i have to choose between Bitcoin Cash or Bitcoin SV, i rather choose Bitcoin Cash because by the way i see, Bitcoin cash is the most successful altcoin of bitcoin's fork, not any fork altcoin can be success in this time, bitcoin SV is still a new altcoin and have not much attentions from investors.

I consider to invest both on this because there will be a huge connection between these investment and it will be splitted out from Bitcoin only so I think the investment and everything when related to Bitcoin will be profitable at the end so the possibility of development is still possible for every cryptocurrency.

I think that both these coins have the same perspective for the future. I think that Bitcoin forks will lose against Bitcoin more and more each year.

Dev's queue up on the original protocol.
https://twitter.com/BsvDevs/status/1113194977142628352

and then there is this
https://youtu.be/53WMHNk5OmE

https://i.ibb.co/6WbtVjV/D0-X0-AE4-UYAEP1-Fe-png-large.png (https://ibb.co/RDP6ZRZ)

Agree. Most Bitcoin forks have no future, since they're merely copies of the original Bitcoin blockchain. Carrying the Bitcoin brand/name shows that there's no originality on them, compared to other altcoins. It seems that people are largely interested into Bitcoin itself than other variants of Bitcoin because of obvious reasons. It's no secret that both BCH and BSV will become extremely centralized in the future because of their huge block size. Unless technology grows at a fast rate, while prices remain low, it'll be hard to see people stay on track with ever-growing storage and bandwidth to support these blockchains.

On the other hand, with Bitcoin's Lightning Network, people can still support the Blockchain without the added costs of storage and bandwidth largely because of the limited block size of the main chain. In effect, this results in decentralization where it's easy for anyone to support the network on a budget.

Therefore, time will prove us right when Bitcoin (BTC) will become the one true cryptocurrency, while the rest of its copies will die in the long run. Just my thoughts ;D

Neither. Both are a joke

This split gives varying assumptions and this is the opinion of everyone who follows it. Every bitcoin fork won't last long with its popularity, so it doesn't need much hope, all of this just wants to get attention and profit and all will return to the crypto parent, bitcoin.

I see some people say both are going to die soon but that's not true.

As long as Craig and Roger lives, they can sustain the scam forever. Look at BSV for example. Its market cap is much smaller than bcash's MC but it still lives. Maybe on a life support but it is not dead. Close to dead? Yes but a small pump can still revive it. That's also what we saw with the recent bcash pump.

Bcash was sub $100 for a while and now it is close to $300. You thought it was dead because it fell below $100 but you forgot there are people who are willingly spending their money to keep this piece of shit alive. As long as they don't run out of money, they'll continue to do this.

Also, no matter how retarded and ridiculous Craig and Roger is, there are some people who want to follow these retards willingly. I am aware of the paid shills and most of them probably are but there are clueless newbies among them as well.

Bcash may lose its 5th position OMC but it'll still operate as an attack to bitcoin. They have enough resources to sustain that shit. Bitcoin(dot)com and Bitmain are the biggest ones.

BSV has none of those but a billionaire who wants to make a name among crypto fans (Calvin), and a crazy fuck.(craig)

Either bitcoin cash or bitcoin SV I'm into both because they have hardworking teams behind the projects and they are trying to do something to atleast prove that one is better than the other ,don't blame me I always like teams that are ready to work so its better to own both

Indeed both teams work hard to get the hearts of investors and this makes a lot of assumptions but has good moves to follow. For the current holder, it's a good moment to enjoy the benefits because both have good values. A team that is solid and always looks alive will still be a coin that has a future.

Bitcoin sv team suffered a serious decline after threatening the market. This is why the main coin gained more value by him. Get a bitcoin cash if you are going to invest.

Both coins cause distrust in me and I try to avoid them, they started playing too dirty a game! And the most important thing is that the head of this is, of course, a lot of money!

will you be so kind and share the dirty point section in the game we all like to see it.

Bitcoin SV is a full-node implementation for Bitcoin Cash (BCH) and will maintain the vision of Bitcoin set out by Satoshi. Reflecting its mission to fulfill the vision of Bitcoin, the project name represents the “Satoshi Vision” or SV.Bitcoin SV is ranked 12th amongst the list of top 15 cryptocurrencies in the crypto market. The market cap of Bitcoin SV is 1,580,553,736 USD with a price (USD) 89.45 and BTC price 0.01717213 on April 04, at 10:53 UTC time.
Perfect news from cryptocurrency news. 

https://i.ibb.co/6BdChJg/dfe.png
https://globalcoinlisting.com/currency/bitcoin-cash-sv

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Projects that today were for the most part simply copied and do not carry any burden on this world. In general, they do not solve anything and do not think that they have a real future in some real niche.

Yes, these are very interesting coins, if you ask the question what is wrong with Bitcoin itself ?! I am sending very quickly transfers via Bitcoin and pay only 10 cents for 1 transfer.

There is a competition before between SV and ABC, they've said SV won, but for me, they are just both crap coins in the market, it is enough to have bitcoin cash at all, we don't even need a hardfork for both of these coins just intended for profit of its creator.

BTC = 1Mb Blocks
BCH = 32 Mb Blocks
BSV = Unlimited (biggest to date 128Mb)

If you like to think big, examine what the future might be, with an unlimited BSV.
Amazing and well thought out predictions up to 2065
https://youtu.be/4Bni20gEIcA

Good point, mate. If Roger and Craig keep sustaining their worthless cryptocurrencies, they'll survive for as long as they keep pouring money into them. It all comes down whenever these cryptocurrencies would become adopted by people in the mainstream world. But so far, Bitcoin has the most adoption which means that it'll be the genuine cryptocurrency that will truly last for years to come. Other forks or alternatives will simply serve as speculative instruments, while Bitcoin will be used as real digital cash for the whole world to use.

Despite this, both BCH and BSV have different visions and technicalities relative to the original Bitcoin (BTC). They're willing to scale on-chain, while Bitcoin is quite the opposite (off-chain). Whenever one approach will prevail over the other is yet to be seen, as they're battle-tested over time (according to network load, decentralization, etc).

Nonetheless, Bitcoin will always be a winner in my book, despite all the bells and whistles of other alternative blockchains. Just my thoughts ;D

im new on crypto but if you ask between bitcoin cash and bitcoin sv, i will choose bitcoin cash whos already have stable price on market.

As some exchanges did have some brain-farts in recent times a brand new BSV exchange open for Business.
https://www.floatsv.com/

In other news


10000 to 14000 transactions per second.

BCH just upgrading from 32 to 128mb.

The chain split cause more pressure on the previous chain and current prices reflect the new view of this pressure. Bitcoin SV is delisted by Binance, Kucoin and this is not the end of the list. LOL.

The crashing and burning of BSV should highlight the dangers of forking coins, especially from coins already forked. The market is increasingly skeptical of forks. While I've never been a fan of Roger Ver, at least he never claimed to be Satoshi Nakamoto.

Given all the sturm und drang of hordes of nattering nabobs of negativity, SV's fall of 30% hardly seems like 'crashing and burning'. If you've bet against SV, you might start to become alarmed by the relative INeffectuality of this delisting mania.

and in the end bitcoincash will defeat the sv bitcoin after removing the sv bitcoin from the binance market will make bitcoin abc superior, or maybe the sv bitcoin will disappear

I think that Bitcoin forks are not the first-line ones. Over the years, Bitcoin has increasingly dominated them. Therefore, I’m thinking that you shouldn’t invest in Bitcoin forks.

I don't think because basically both were facing the same problem remember when there were a few platforms or exchange sites are delisting BSV and there was another exchange site that tried to delist BCH at the same time and this is the real problem for both of coins.

The only thing I really regret is that today there are a very large number of BTC forks that do nothing for real life. Now that all we can really do is simply not to use these projects. These are not necessary projects.

Same. It seems to me that Bitcoin Cash has a higher chance of survival than Bitcoin SV. After all, the latter is getting delisted from major exchanges due to the controversy surrounding Craig Wright's lawsuits against crypto enthusiasts. It shows that Bitcoin SV is nothing but a speculative project with no real uses in life. Compared with Bitcoin Cash, it has a lower degree of development than its predecessor.

With centralized figures such as Calvin Ayre and Craig Wright dominating the BSV cryptocurrency, I don't see any future on it at all. In contrast, Bitcoin Cash has been actively developed to become bigger, and stronger than ever. While it's been criticized because of Roger Ver's influence in it (becoming somewhat centralized), BCH is far better than BSV by a long shot.

Still though, Bitcoin (BTC) has a higher chance of survival and adoption within the mainstream world unlike any other fork today. This is largely because people trust the pioneer cryptocurrency, instead of other spinoffs looking to make a quick buck by using the "Bitcoin" brand/name. Eventually, the market will tell us which cryptocurrency stays and which one ceases to exist.

Nonetheless, Bitcoin Cash may have won over Bitcoin SV, but it could never overcome the original Bitcoin (BTC). Just my thoughts ;D

BCH has the ability to recover when price is down more than some other coins i put on my rader with a watchful eyes, apparently both has their shenanigans surrounding them but i will most definitely be going for BCH, i see more stability and better chances of growth than SV, just my opinion.

If the transaction fee goes above a certain threshold, then there is a chance that both BTC and BCH may increase the block size through hard forks. BCH has done that once and I don't think that they'll be having any issues in doing that again.

BCH may not be removed from the exchange because it has good potential while the BSV project is not good enough for this BCH for me after hardfork

You mean big blocks is the future?  Floppy disk size blocks in this day and age is hard to comprehend.
How can small bock miners survive with block halving every 4 years?

Any Miners around?
https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/mining_profitability-btc-bch-bsv.html#3m

For the mere that that BitcoinCash which is BCH ABC retaining the original name, has not been delisted, does not mean it is better. These two coins are the typical definition of shitcoins. BSV is presently going through he chains of delisting on exchanges. Very soon, it will be the turn of of the other part.

There will be no BCH mining profitability if SV is worth a few dollars. This chart is showing that it could be profitable o mine SV because its value has dropped. If tomorrow it falls another 10% the profitability will skyrocket again but it won't mean that people will mine all of a sudden. Miners want to be able to sell after a while and still get a good price. SV is here today but it can be delisted almost everywhere next month and lose 50% of value.

Bitcoin SV(BSV) and Bitcoin Cash(BCH) are more of the same and these shitcoins are not to be trusted. I don't know about you people but I will never buy BSV since this coin will be delisted on different exchange. And its founder is not the person you can trust, since he's hiding on the identity of bitcoin's creator.

I consider both of these coins a fraud. I would not advise buying these coins. I think that these coins will cost zero in the future. It is very risky to buy these coins.

BSV is going down to the ranks after it was delisted in some major exchanges.

If most of the investors of BSV and BCH will come together and support bitcoin, we will all have a very good day. But seems that many beginners are mislead of believing and being informed that BCH is bitcoin.

That's certainly true, mate. Bitcoin Cash seems to have better legitimacy than Bitcoin SV, in my opinion. All the discourteous behavior from Craig Wright and Calvin Ayre, has caused more harm than good against the reputation of the project. Of course, nChain is a good Blockchain company with many prospects. But having said shenanigans behind the direction of Bitcoin SV, will only make matters worse. In contrast, Bitcoin Cash's Roger Ver has been an active supporter of the project, while developers have been actively working towards making the cryptocurrency as innovative as possible.

In the end, it's believed that Bitcoin Cash will prevail while Bitcoin SV fades into oblivion. Then, the competition would be against both Bitcoin (BTC) and Bitcoin Cash (BCH) to determine which is the most scalable and highly adopted blockchain in the mainstream world. Bitcoin (BTC) will take the Lightning Network approach, while Bitcoin Cash (BCH) will take the block size approach (by increasing it safely).

Nonetheless, it could be said that Bitcoin Cash (BCH) has already won over Bitcoin SV. The delisting of BSV among major exchanges shows a sign that this cryptocurrency doesn't have a bright future after all. Still, time will tell us what will happen with these major forks of the original Bitcoin (BTC) blockchain. Just my opinion :)

Coins generated from hardfork bitcoin according to my thinking are the cause of the decline in the price of bitcoin itself, traders become divided in determining an investment, if there is no bch, btg, etc, i think bitcoin still lasts above 10 k usd

Both of these coins are very risky at the moment and most people only care about the profits when investing in it. In my opinion, BCH has stopped working for a very long time making the value of BCH continuously declining in 2018 and recently BSV is being rejected by all exchanges and making BSV worse. The best advice is to stay away and choose a new investment during this time

I could agree with that, we should not support the fork so bitcoin will remain healthy in price and the other altcoins as well.
We see already what bitcoin can bring to the market if it's price is good, it's the most popular pair of crypto trading so when more and more project will exist, more demand will also be created in bitcoin, that will benefit the investors like us.

Well, the price of bitcoin cash right now is going up and keep go up. I think the price of bitcoin cash will back to the normal price before the fork. Especially after the recent thing happen on bitcoin sv. It makes people back to bitcoin cash again and that's why the price of bitcoin cash is increase in the last couple of days.

Looking at the volumes and exchange rates, BSV is doing good now. The coin lost around 30% of its value after it was desisted from the major exchanges. But during the past 2-3 days, the prices have stabilized.

BSV the new internet

Forget https://, bit://  https://bit.planaria.network/#/?id=bit (https://bit.planaria.network/#/?id=bit)

The Bottle Bitcoin Browser  https://bottle.bitdb.network/ (https://bottle.bitdb.network/)



https://www.moneybutton.com/

Right now many big exchanger delist BSV because Craig claim as satoshi. No one believe he is satoshi because its too complex and i am believe it create by group not a single person. The best investment still on bitcoin (BTC)

If the coin not hard fork last year i think it have a higher price than has now BCHABC, but this is just maybe because the dev of BCH SV want to make more money, and this not bring nothing good.

Which one, there is over 100
https://www.bsvdevs.com/index.php

So you don't want to make more money?


If you want to archive any website forever, move it to the Blockchain.
https://preserve.bitpaste.app/
Big blocks make it happen.

The technical differences between ABC and SV are not so much. The main difference and dispute comes from the community of each And that's what's important in this debate. So bitcoin cash has more chance to win the battle.
I certainly don't think any advanges of forking at all But i don't disagree with that because people have the freedom to choose what they want and want to pursue. So that cause the chain to split. Forking is a normal process that Its fate will be determined in relations with other factors in the future.

it has not stabilized yet. the volume has dropped drastically so did the price of it.
that only thing that looks like stabilization is the slow down of the dump which is a normal thing in any market after a huge dump occurs. usually it slows down because whales want to let the market breathe a little bit and let the buy orders from newbies pile up before they continue dumping to make the most amount of profit.

BSV will not only rank down, I think BSV will be the queue of many shitcoin. BSV will be a useless coin, for what BSV holders maintain their coins, it's useless that the price will continue to fall.
Now that Bitcoin Cash will continue to grow, the price will return like last year, I'm sure of that. Prices are still cheap and can still be doubled

unwriter last November about ABC
https://medium.com/@_unwriter/the-resolution-of-the-bitcoin-cash-experiment-52b86d8cd187

Can you handle some laugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YS2dD_PeJ8&t=1m35s

after statement from cz and delisted by binance BSV rank goes down and the price i think will lower than now
it will become coin with low value at the future

Forks of the BTC project is probably the worst thing that exists today, probably today many already understood that the real use of these forks will never lead to anything. I am sure that these projects are not popular today.

To me, I see a brighter future for Bitcoin Cash than that of the Bitcoin SV, I am even  wondering if Bitcoin SV will survive the storm of the competition.

https://i.ibb.co/WvwBQGJ/Untitled.png (https://ibb.co/tptYSQr)

Exactly. Bitcoin SV will continue fade away from the market, as exchanges delist it. The attitude of Craig Wright and Calvin Ayre will do more harm than good to the project. Which is why, until such entities are removed from the space, Bitcoin SV will not be going anywhere. Of course, nChain is a Blockchain company with a good vision to scale Bitcoin to the world. But, the huge influence from entities like Wright and Ayre, will prevent people from joining BSV in the first place.

On the other hand, Bitcoin Cash has been doing better as it's been actively developed and promoted over time. There is no hype or bad attitudes from their sponsors (such as Roger Ver), but rather a positive environment with everything delivered as promised for the longevity of the BCH project. Not to mention, BCH has far wider support among centralized exchanges than BSV. Which means, that adoption for BCH will result greater in the long term than its contender.

Despite this, there's a better future for Bitcoin (BTC) than any other Bitcoin fork today. Just my opinion :)

Do you really believe that these projects will somehow help us and our community? I am sure that these projects were created solely for the purpose of destroying our deposits and destroying our faith in cryptocurrencies. These are terrible projects.

Which project is referred to?  https://youtu.be/luYHAYrV6EU or is it the moneybutton (https://blog.moneybutton.com/), handcash  (https://handcash.io/), centbee (https://www.centbee.com/),  LINK, or the bottle browser (https://bottle.bitdb.network/) ......??

BTI ftw  ;) ===>

https://freiexchange.com/market/BTI/BTC

I'm with you. But, if I were to compare among both Bitcoin forks, then I'd say that Bitcoin Cash is a project of higher quality (in terms of development, innovation, and community support) than Bitcoin SV. As I've said before, the reason for this is obvious. Bitcoin SV has only been focusing on promotion/mainstream attention rather than delivering innovation within its Blockchain network. Not to mention, it has controversial figures such as Craig and Calvin which are doing more harm than good to the crypto industry.

On the other hand, we see Roger actively supporting BCH without bringing unwanted attention. Of course, both chains (BSV and BCH) intend to scale Bitcoin using on-chain block size increase (which could work in the long term). But their success will largely depend on how many people adopt them in the real world. There's no way around it. Speaking of this, BSV has been delisted from top cryptocurrency exchanges in just a few days. This would look bad for the adoption of the BSV project as it loses attention from mainstream investors and traders.

Nonetheless, Bitcoin (BTC) seems to have the safest approach for scaling without sacrificing the network's security and reliability. Of course, the Lightning Network has a certain level of centralization within it, but it's the best way to go instead of scaling on-chain (which prevents most people from affording a full node to support the Blockchain). Just my opinion :)