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I want to start a fully automated upscale bitcoin restaurant. I found out that on Center St. in Cumberland, MD, an upscale restaurant is being foreclosed on. This isn't publically known yet. The restaurant estimated price is around $175,000. Since Cumberland is an economically depressed town, I can probably get it a bit cheaper. I want to buy the restaurant and convert it to be entirely automated. If possible, I would keep the menu at the same high class, but the food preparation will be done by robots and automated machines, and instead of waters, dishes can be delivered by conveyor belt systems. Since the town is mostly inhabited by retirees at this point, this will be great because I won't have isues looking for young people wlling to work as waiters, and the older folks won't have to worry about dealing with annoying teenagers. The restaurant will also accept Bitcoin, and will be bitcoin themed to promote bitcoin, with things like bitcoin logos on plates and on decorations on the walls.
The cost of the restaurant, as mentioned, will be around $175,000. I will the need another $25,000 to develop and test the robots, and another aproximately $100,000 to actually build and intall them, and maybe $50,000 for start up costs such as licenses and operating funds, for a total of $350,000. I am looking for donations to collect enough money to start this. These donations will be considered 0% loans until I save enough money to start this, and until the restaurant starts generating revenue. After that, these loans will be converted into investments, and will pay out 5% return, which is much higher than you can get from putting your money into a bank savings account.
I think I would be great for this, and you can trust me. I have been on this forum for many months. I have a high school diploma, and I've taken many community college classes, including some on management. When I was in high school, I built a lot of robots and machines out of pneumatic components and various materals, including legos. I did this at home as a hobby, and as part of a team in my high school class. I also helped run a finance business in SL, and managed some people when I worked at McDonald's, so I know what it takes to run a restaurant. I also know a lot about mortgages and can calculate interests and payments, so I know what it wuld take to finance a project like this.
If you are interested in investing, please post here and let me know, and I'll contact you directly to give you an addres to send money to.

lol

This sounds like the physical equivalent of solidcoin :)

I can take solidcoin too if someone helps explain how to use them

Genuine question:  Isn't starting a Bitcoin business in an 'economically depressed' area full of 'retirees (old people)' kinda counter-intuitive?

Why don't you give some examples of some of the upscale menu items you envision being prepared by your robot army?  Right now, I'm picturing that dog food can opener at the start of Back to the Future.

I don't think you understand how cooking works.

I cook gourmet international cuisine as a hobby, and have dinner parties at my house. I have done Russian, Italian, Japanese, Indian, and Greek so far. Wanting to experiment with French. This restaurant was French. I probably will change the menu to something else though from what I understand, French cooking mainly involves a lot of sauces and frying. Mixing sauces automatically is pretty easy, as is frying. If I add pasta options, that's pretty easy as well.

Those retirees get a lot of Social Security, so their money will keep coming in, and I don't hae to worry about unemployment and lack of discretionary income

I'm suggesting that older folk aren't really down with BTC.

lulz

good luck with your venture

Yeah, it's ludicrous to accept Bitcoins from elderly people. 

No, I'm saying that the odds of getting a lot of elderly folk in a economically depressed part of town to switch to a digital currency during a depression... are slim.

"Living off of social security?  Switch to this volatile digital currency!"

Robot:  "Welcome to Rassah's Upscale Italian Restaurant!"

*microwaves jar of Prego, dumps it out on plate of spaghetti*

Don't forget microwaving and adding a frozen bag of meatballs. A simple spaghetti and meatballs dish can go for $10 in some places.

You're just yanking our chains with this, right?

Actually, many many restaurants serve frozen, microwavable food.  Even 'upscale'.

Why trying to reinvent the wheel ? Has anybody done an automated restaurant yet ? Sounds like something out of 2050 etc.

First get the actual normal human operated restaurant using bitcoins.

Then and then only think about automation. You are going way over your head IMHO. Never heard of a restaurant without humans serving etc. Good luck though.

Any ETA on how long till it becomes 5% investment ? I already know many restaurants simply reheat the pre-cooked food in a microwave then serve it out immediately but that is totally different than your no-waiters system. No cookers too ? Will robots cook the food as well ?

Not at ll! Somewhere in Europe there is now a vending machine that makes entire pizzas from scratch. Why not a building that does a whole menu? From what I understand, the floors above this restaurant aren't even used, so there's plenty of space, and having it in that location means it'll be cheat to buy and set up. It's even near a railroad ship yard, so getting ingredients and robot/machine parts will be cheaper than trucking!

What about fancy sushi places where cooks prepare the sushi, but the food comes by on a conveyor belt?

FYI, I am putting $50 of my own money into this to start, and already got another $20 donated (THANK YOU!). I'll keep adding my own money into this as I earn it.

You and logansryche should team up and buy a lemonade stand.

If you really are serious about this whole idea, may I suggest you try and limit your initial exposure and reduce your startup costs?

I would say you should start with developing automated hot meal vending machines. This cuts out the lease/purchase of the restaurant itself, which represents half of your startup costs.

Hot meal serving machines could easily be placed yourself in schools, etc where they would be readily accepted. Perhaps mobile machines could be developed and ready for quick temporary deployment to events such as protests (OWS) where I'm sure they would be much appriciated.

Once you have your core meal preparation equipment developed well, then look into moving from vending machines to a full restaurant.

Further, I suspect the adoption of the bitcoin payment option would be better received via vending machines as well. strictly my opinion there

it took me two whole seconds to Google this.
http://gizmodo.com/295454/robot+staffed-restaurant-launches-in-germany

Because the overhead costs would be enormously higher than a traditional restaurant to produce far inferior food?  Because you have no demonstrated ability to design the kind of complex machinery needed to prepare anything more complicated than Spaghetti-Os?  Because your budget to design and build a robot restaurant is based on nothing and almost certainly drastically underfunded?  Because your proposed location has already proven unable to sustain an upscale restaurant?  Because your entire business model is high risk / low reward?  

Pick one of those.

Can you build a catapult for delivery?

The first "robots" used in this fashion will be People equipped with a headset and being told instructions from a software appliance which automatically manages the business resources. Expect this within the next decade or so to become widely spread from McD to Gas Stations and Walmart.

Best thing I read all day ! Thank you mate.

Fixed.

I think this is a great idea although I think I'd rather get the traditional hair in my s00p than hydraulic fluid.

There won't be any cooks or wait staff, so I doubt it


I may not have demonstrated it here, but I can do it. I have designed and programed a lot of machines in SecondLife, including ones that relied on physics. I can just pick up some cheap or free CAD software bundle and do the same for robots.


How do you know? I know how much the building costs. The technology can't be much more expensive.


Only because it had to pay cooks and waitstaff, and because the bank foreclosed on it. If I have all the money up front before starting it, I won't have to worry about banks.


It's not high risk. If I don't get enough money, I'll return everyone's money. You just don't get it  ::)

Hydrolics could jut use water, so that won't be a problem

I hope you are joking. What are you ? 17 ? Anyone older than that will laugh at your supposed "robot-building skills".

Well played sir.  Well played.

I wouldn't laugh at someone until they have proven me wrong. As I said, I have experience with 3D design and building simple robots. I just never had the funds to build bigger ones.

There are some good ideas here, but you might want to start a bit smaller.   Restaurant owners I've consulted for in the past tell me nothing had really prepared them for what they were getting in to.  These were people with plenty of culinary and business experience.  Owning a bar or restaurant is not for everyone, you have to be prepared to work long hours and lose a lot of money before you start making it.

I would start smaller, instead of taking over a massive established spot find somewhere you can get started in on a small scale and work out the kinks in the idea.  You don't need a big name at first since you have a very unique idea that would be easy for any competent PR or advertising team to generate buzz for.  Newspapers and media and blogs love stories about unique eateries so the advertising is practically free.  The hard part is maintaining the buzz by consistently creating a product people will come back for.  People really need to have an affinity for the place, it has to feel like home.

I get it now.  Pretty funny. 

You also have no understanding of french cuisine.

I missed that. I think he meant Chinese cuisine with sauces and frying, certainly not French. LOL. All the merrier this thread becomes over time. I suggest OP close it as he is clearly delusional and we don't waste more time/space/bandwidth etc. Thank you !

I'm half French.

Well, I did say I haven't done any French cuisine yet and it's something I'm planning to learn. It can't be THAT hard. Btw, your nick suggests you may be a furry?

I want to know how anyone can stay in character parodying logansryche or Atlas without going insane.

I'm not parodying. I do actually know of such a restaurant. I know about it because the bank I am working for is the one planning to foreclose on it. And I do cook and know stuff about robots :P

No, my nick suggests I'm a gaming nerd.

Wait, the D&D Greyhawk game? That sounds worse than furry  :-\

I CAST MAGIC MISSILE!  >:(

Yeah, oldie but goodies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kgx2b1sIRs

When you can stay in character for years as a naked cat-man waving his erect penis about, anything is possible.

Thanks. Every time I get discouraged, you say something that gives me back confidence. I've had two more people give me support with this today btw.

I was thinking the same thing. This resteraunt costs $175,000, which is the same amount logan's movie theater is priced at (http://rochellehub.co.cc/materials.html).

Rassah, could you give more information, such as estimated overhead; cost of the robots/kitchen equipment, how other restaurants in the area fair; will it also accept cash/credit or be bitcoin only; what food, water, gas and electricity would cost.

Is there going to be any staff to speak of working at it? The kitchen is going to have to be inspected and cleaned for the sake of health inspections and you can't really rely on customers to fully clean up after themselves and others. So the eating area would need someone to keep it clean throughout the day.

Also any exit plan if it doesn't work out a couple of months after opening?

Maybe the customers are robots too?  ???

That's a coincidence. This restaurants current outstanding loan balance is actually about $185k, but due to foreclosure issues I think I can get it for less.


Electricity costs $0.13/kWh there and gas and water are pretty cheap too. Cumberland is near a fresh water canal, so water is abundant, and it's a coal town, so plenty of cheap power and gas. Overhead would have to include maintenance and repair of the robots, but I can talk to some local mechanics to get details on that. There are a lot of people who work on cars and trains in that area. I would have to accept credit cards too, obviously. Food prices for raw ingredients are probably comparable to those of the rest of the east coast.There are a few other up scale restaurants right in that same area (a NY style, an Italian, and a bit further a French one that costs a fortune).


I may have one person there at the entrance welcoming and seating people, and monitoring the systems on a screen to let mechanics know if something breaks, or place orders if some ingredients are running low. I would need a separate accounting and purchasing department to deal with suppliers, establish prices, and track costs and revenues. Probably three people on ful time staff at most, with maintenance only called when needed. If the kitchen is mostly stainless steel and plastic with many floor drains, it can be set up with soap and water sprinklers, and the entire system can be washed nightly automatically like a giant dishwasher. Customer table tops can be solid stainless steel round disks with four plate-shaped depressions. Instead of food being delivered on plates, it can be delivered on small trays and scooped right onto the table into those plate-shaped depressions. After customers are done eating, the entire table top can be removed and automatically moved to the kitchen, where it gets washed with the rest of the equipment.



If it fails, it fails. Everything will be sold off and money redistributed to investors evenly. Like all businesses, this is risky, and you shouldn't invest unless you are ready to lose your money.

I know I like my upscale restaurants to *splork* my food right on the table.  ;D

Good point. Maybe just deliver the table top with the food already on it.

I meant to be more specific about it, but flubbed up when asking: what do you estimate would be the operational costs of water, gas and electric come the end of the month and the bills arrive? Seems like completely automated cooking and delivery would bring in a hefty electric bill for the robots alone.

I don't know and won't know until after the robots are designed. Probably not much more than about $1,500 a month for gas and electric, which is less than one employee would cost.

Do you know how much energy fridges and coolers pull? It's one of the most price intensive posts in any restaurants list of costs.

While we're on the topic: How are you going to serve drinks? Especially things like wine or anything carbonated?

all crazy ideas that will never work should end exactly like this!

I shall take that as show of interest, and will be contacting you directly. Expect me at your front door by 7pm this evening. Thank you!

I know people have built bartending robots...

Rassah, this isn't a *terrible* idea, but I agree with taking it down a couple notches to a vending machine, or even food-truck. With sous-vede cooking you could like even do meat to order through the vending machine, and would sure beat the ones with crappy sandwiches.

Ever seen them in action? I did. Never went there again.

Truthfully I've only seen videos -- first hand experience obviously outweighs that.

They're slow, they make a mess and truthfully someone took the concept of "no human interaction" too far. As in these things are never cleaned and you can see as well as taste that there is something in the pipes/nozzle that doesn't belong there.

It,s a pretty cold area somewhat high in the mountains. Doesn't get too hot out there. As for drinks, maybe a wine fountain machine where you refill your glass like you do with soda?


I think that makes my idea for the location even better, because our seniors are already quite used to a lack of human interaction. Japanese are even building robots to replace elderly care nurses!

Wine out of a fountain machine is kind of  :-\

I don't drink alcohol, so wouldn't know...

*Sigh* Fine. Closed due to lack of interest.  :-[ i'm keeping the money already donated, sorry.

I'll see if I can come up with something better tomorrow. Too busy tonight and have to concentrate on cleaning up and preparing for my fancy Italian dinner party this weekend. Not kidding about being able to cook btw. This was last New Years Japanese dinner ( Osechi-ryōri ) where I spent two days preparing 14 different dishes from scratch: http://bit.ly/sBAFkc

WHAT? Look man, I'm glad I didn't invest, and I called this a scam from the first reply (Although you didn't pick up on that I meant Scamcoins when I said Solidcoins), but this is just low. It seemed you might actually want to do this at some point, so I changed my view to "he's not a scammer, it's just not a very well thought out plan."
Then there's the fact that you JUST posted that if this didn't work out, then you would give the investors their money back. Well listen to this: Closed because of lack of interest IS that it didn't work out!

Stand by your word, and return the money to the people, or I'll see if I can get you marked as scammer.

There was, uh, nothing to sell, so no money to return from proceeds of the liquidation?

You know that is not an argument.

Just drop it and leave me alone -.- I'm too busy to deal with this right now.

It's real easy.
Send the money back to the people who invested.

Did you lose it on the exchange? Put some actual cash in, convert to bitcoins, then give the money back.

If you don't do that, this was a scam.

This wasn't a scam. I am extremely honorable, and never scam or steal peoples money.

So give them back their money.

Not a bad idea Rassah,but I think a bigger city like New York would accept it more easily.

How about a Bitcoin carwash,or movie vending machine???

Unless you return the investment funds as you agreed to do so in this event, the above is a flat out lie.

Imma gonna go and call his parents about this. I am extremely upset. Extremely upset.  >:(

 ;D

Bravo Rassah, bravo!


*golf clap*

 ;D

No, I failed. I wasn't trying to troll. Everyone just assumed I did :(
Thing is, trolling wasn't even my intent, really, and everything I said here is the truth (except maybe being seriously interested in this restaurant, or getting anyone to give me money). I do know of the restaurant, we are actually foreclosing on it, I do actually cook fancy gourmet, I did work at McDonald's, though as a manager at their corporate office, and I do actually do industreal CAD design, though I use SolidWorks for it instead of SL (crazy expensive software). But I just kept coming up with too good of ideas for how to actually make the crazy thing work, and ended up overcompensating in the other direction with things that are too ridiculous X( Plus obvious things that made it obvious. I suck at keeping secrets, too *sigh* Anyway, new and this time real, business plan later this week  ;D

I didn't. I'm not really French at all.  :D

Hah, nice. I actually thought you were German, and thought you being part German and part French was kinda funny.

How the hell did I miss this thread. Now I have to read all 5 pages at one setting. I sure hope it's going to be named:

http://www.franchisemarketplace.com/DynamicData/logos/20060516181212_2.jpg

I reserve the right to edit this post as I read more of this thread. Damn, I hope it's a good one.

EDIT: I'm now at post 70 and read this:


Surely, there's not another link to the Monty Python sketch?

Done!: I knew it was a parody after reading the very first post. What surprised me is that some folks thought you were serious. The rest simply played along, as I would have if I was in on it from the get go. I miss all the good threads. Next time PM me, Rassah.

Wait, what do you mean parody? I've given this man money!

There are things one shouldn't brag about on the internet. One is given a fur penis money. You don't read about me wanting to jack off to Chester's pic, now do you? Write it off on your taxes as an entertainment expense.

Closed due to imbezzling all the investment money on furry porn.

Also, credit to Atlas for coming up with the robot restaurant idea. Thanks dude!